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3. # [00:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67b10879f654 - Mike Hommey - Bug 956398 - Only support text relocations for libflashplayer.so. r=nfroyd
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7. # [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8780eb781632 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 963652 - Handlify JS_ForwardGetPropertyTo. r=terrence
8. # [00:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3664a7e8db93 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 963701 - Unscope the JSAutoCompartment in InitTargetObjects. r=bz
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16. # [00:07] <jorendorff> What's the right component for DOM Promises? (bug 953367)
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18. # [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb900e8085fd - Jeff Walden - Backed out changeset fe06fb5e10a7, wrong bug number.
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20. # [00:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5aad0b45a84 - Jeff Walden - Bug 963434 - Remove jsopcode.tbl and jsoplengen.cpp in favor of a higher-order macro, and make JSOP_*_LENGTH into C++ constant variables. This will make the build process
21. # [00:08] <firebot> simpler, and it likely eliminates a needs-CLOBBER situation encountered while landing bug 948583. Particular thanks to r=jorendorff for the fast review here (given any change at all to jsopcode.tbl would bitrot this), DONTBUILD because already landed
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23. # [00:08] <firebot> with wrong bug number
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25. # [00:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d651d6239641 - Daniel Stenberg - Bug 676358 - HTTP auth realm parameter parsed as quoted-string doesn't get unescaped r=jduell
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41. # [00:23] <KWierso|sheriffduty> jorendorff: looks like Toolkit :: Async Tooling?
42. # [00:23] <KWierso|sheriffduty> or at least, that's where promise.jsm stuff goes
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45. # [00:24] <jorendorff> KWierso|sheriffduty: i think it's a totally other Promise implementation
46. # [00:24] <jorendorff> so i put it in Core:DOM
47. # [00:24] <jorendorff> i'm sure it'll find its way to the right place
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55. # [00:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8eb896135c62 - Terrence Cole - Bug 963232 - Add extensive documentation to js/GCAPI.h; r=billm
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58. # [00:29] <efaust> terrence++
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63. # [00:32] <jorendorff> oh my gosh
64. # [00:33] <jorendorff> i had no idea that was coming but terrance+=17
65. # [00:33] <jorendorff> *terrence
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71. # [00:36] <terrence> thanks, guys!
72. # [00:37] <terrence> I've been helping Yves work through getting 0ad onto incremental gc and realized that my understanding of how our interface is supposed to work doesn't really line up too well with reality
73. # [00:37] <shu> much documentation
74. # [00:38] <shu> terrence: noticed a typo here http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8eb896135c62#l1.278
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76. # [00:38] <terrence> shu: I guess deterministice only happens twice a year?
77. # [00:39] <shu> terrence: lol, sign me up for that holiday
78. # [00:39] <terrence> shu: figured I'd be fixing typos in that patch for at least a couple of days ;-) I'll qnew and start adding to the cleanup
79. # [00:40] <shu> terrence: the day when all the threads align and are only preempted at function boundaries?
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81. # [00:41] <terrence> shu: hahaha
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88. # [00:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37420d9a2c76 - Terrence Cole - Bug 959787 - Handlify several JSAPI interfaces that can GC, Part 7; r=sfink
89. # [00:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64ad4b2af6ac - Terrence Cole - Bug 959787 - Handlify several JSAPI interfaces that can GC, Part 6; r=jonco
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92. # [00:49] <philor> http://www.clownshoesbeer.com/
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100. # [00:55] <jorendorff> jwalden: can you think offhand of an API where we have two different class definitions, one that you see internally and one that is seen externally, the only difference being that the external one has PUBLIC_API methods?
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102. # [00:55] <jorendorff> whose implementations of course just cast to the internal class, and call the corresponding normal methods
103. # [00:56] <jwalden> jorendorff: at the actual class level, nothing quite springs to mind offhand -- although that's more or less what the shadow Runtime and shadow Context and shadow Other Stuff things are
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105. # [00:56] <jorendorff> An American in Clownshoes
106. # [00:56] <jorendorff> yeah
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108. # [00:56] <jwalden> jorendorff: at the level of methods, that's pretty much what JS_Foo delegating to js_Foo was, and still is, except we have js::Foo now
109. # [00:56] <jorendorff> mmhmm
110. # [00:57] <jorendorff> ok
111. # [00:57] <jwalden> jorendorff: I would tend to say we shouldn't worry about concerns about PUBLIC_API overhead, until someone shows a testcase where the overhead matters
112. # [00:57] <jwalden> jorendorff: purely as a simplification mechanism
113. # [00:57] <jorendorff> ok
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117. # [00:58] <jorendorff> bz: well that patch is quite nice
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120. # [01:01] <jorendorff> The Wrath of Clownshoes
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123. # [01:02] <@khuey> jorendorff: the Clash of the Clownshoes
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126. # [01:02] <philor> My Dinner With Clownshoes
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129. # [01:03] <jwalden> Clownshoes'r'Us
130. # [01:03] <terrence> The Clownshoes of Fu Manchu
131. # [01:04] <shu> what's the joke that i'm missing
132. # [01:04] <terrence> Manos: The Clownshoes of Fate
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134. # [01:05] <terrence> shu: read up a bit in #jsapi... no idea how it migrated to #developers, but I'm more than happy to thrown my own clownshoes in the ring
135. # [01:05] <shu> ah i see
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141. # [01:12] <gps> philor: their beer is actually pretty good!
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145. # [01:16] <philor> gps: I was pretty sure it was stocked in all MoCo fridges :)
146. # [01:16] <gps> it's a bit hard to come by and a bit expensive to be stocking in the offices :(
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148. # [01:17] <gps> I think they're located on the east coast of the USA
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197. # [02:14] <@ted> jld: i think exidx is sorted by spec
198. # [02:14] <@ted> it's a binary search table
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200. # [02:15] <@ted> jld: but it's okay, for symbol dumping we can just pull everything out and look for dupes or whatever
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208. # [02:19] <jld> ted: The unsortedness turned out not to be a problem.
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210. # [02:20] <jld> ted: And I actually have most of a fix... except that breakpad doesn't know that the functions exist, because they're just ELF symbols of type STT_FUNC, not a DW_TAG_subprogram.
211. # [02:20] <jld> ted: (And we're also ignoring the ELF symbol table, except when we're not.)
212. # [02:21] <jld> ted: And, yes, it's *supposed* to be a binary search table. The version of gold that shipped in the ICS toolchain has bugs, so it's not.
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218. # [02:25] <jld> ted: Anyway, as long as unwinding is working we won't get spurious frames from stack scanning, which is the important part -- and the call site should make it obvious what syscall it is.
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224. # [02:28] <philor> oh, no, it's both the backout and the relanding
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392. # [04:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e06d42c2a6a - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 963885 - Disable mozdevice tests in make check until we can address they way they cause builds to be RETRYed
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398. # [04:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c074cbfa54c6 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 962605 part 2. Enable baseline jit in xpcshell. r=bholley
399. # [04:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fdd790518733 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 962605 part 1. Remove a broken attempt to disable test_hang_submit.xul. r=ted
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413. # [05:07] <ewong> gps ping
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415. # [05:09] <ewong> gps a bit of context on my ping: in bug 774911, in comment 7, you mentioned /build/virtualenv, has it been moved to /python/virtualenv, or is this something different?
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423. # [05:15] * philor wait for morale to improve
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426. # [05:19] <@bz> philor: hey, the tree is open
427. # [05:19] <@bz> philor: what else is needed for morale?
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429. # [05:19] <@bz> philor: er, _was_ open.... ;)
430. # [05:20] <@bz> philor: it really is like clockwork at 8pm Pacific, eh?
431. # [05:20] <philor> bz: exactly - "the nightly closures will continue until morale improves"
432. # [05:20] <philor> it's a little variable, at first I thought it was 7:30
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434. # [05:21] <philor> probably a combination of the variable load plus whatever thing nobody is thinking of that causes a huge evening spike
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436. # [05:21] <ewong> there's a bug for this, right?
437. # [05:21] <@bz> yes
438. # [05:21] <@bz> it's linked in the closure message
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440. # [05:22] <@bz> All it'll tell you is that philor closes the tree at 8
441. # [05:22] <philor> and that there's a case open with Juniper
442. # [05:22] * philor presumes that's a case of gin
443. # [05:22] <@bz> Can I change the color mach uses for the time output?
444. # [05:23] <ewong> right. not paying attention. sorry
445. # [05:23] <@bz> The dark blue is not so great on a black background
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460. # [05:39] <reuben> bz: yes. *looks it up*
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462. # [05:42] <reuben> bz: ah, you can't configure it. I remembered gps sending an email about how to change it, but apparently the only configuration option is to disable it entirely
463. # [05:42] <reuben> sucks
464. # [05:43] <jwalden> any color you want then, as long as it's blue or black
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472. # [05:51] <jwalden> \o/ THE DAY IS MINE
473. # [05:51] <jwalden> test-driven development after the fact works!
474. # [05:51] <jwalden> now, why did my patch not actually fix this problem...
475. # [05:52] <hub> I thought the right colours were orange or red ;-)
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503. # [06:15] <@bz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21346581/is-safari-falls-under-which-browser-category is hilarious
504. # [06:15] <@bz> Filezilla indeed
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506. # [06:18] <jwalden> nicely trolled
507. # [06:19] <benjamin> I wonder if that's google-translate goop
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512. # [06:27] <@bz> Could be!
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523. # [06:41] <@bz_sleep> 10 EXPORTS.mozilla.dom += [
524. # [06:41] <@bz_sleep> 11 'WorkerPrivate.h',
525. # [06:41] * @bz_sleep sighs
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528. # [06:44] <reuben> hg mv WorkerPrivate.h WorkerPrivateIMPORTANTDoNotExportThisFileWithoutReviewFromADOMPeer.h
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530. # [06:55] <@bz_sleep> reuben: lol
531. # [06:55] <@bz_sleep> reuben: no, the real issue is that it includes other worker headers
532. # [06:55] <@bz_sleep> reuben: non-exported ones
533. # [06:55] <@bz_sleep> reuben: so trying to include mozilla/dom/WorkerPrivate.h in fact doesn't work at all
534. # [06:57] <reuben> ah
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659. # [09:21] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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670. # [09:29] <Anupkumar> Ms2ger: ping
671. # [09:29] <Ms2ger> Hi
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673. # [09:29] <Anupkumar> can u help me with a gaia bug?
674. # [09:30] <Anupkumar> Ms2ger: I got a problem with hg pull and hg up....
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676. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> I know nothing about gaia, I'm afraid
677. # [09:31] <Anupkumar> Ms2ger: np
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679. # [09:31] <Anupkumar> Ms2ger: it is downloading the changes but even after applying changes by running "hg up" also the file changes are not back to normal
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681. # [09:31] <Ms2ger> Strange
682. # [09:32] <Anupkumar> I am not even able to update the build also
683. # [09:32] <Anupkumar> :(
684. # [09:36] <Anupkumar> Ms2ger: help me out with that
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690. # [09:46] <yeukhon> is there a specific time we begin building nightly?
691. # [09:46] <jesup> Anupkumar: as a lark, try "hg qpop -a; hg update --clean" (I assume you don't have unsaved-in-patches changes...)
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712. # [10:08] <jst> yeukhon: yes, but I unfortunately don't know when... maybe ask in #releng?
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714. # [10:08] * Ms2ger wonders what timezone jst is in
715. # [10:09] <jst> Ms2ger: normal pcific time, just up late...
716. # [10:09] <jst> pacific, even
717. # [10:09] <yeukhon> jst: thanks! will do that on monday :)
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721. # [10:11] <jst> Ms2ger: IIRC jdm will be there, and likely peterv, but I haven't heard any others saying they're heading that way
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739. # [10:29] <nthomas|away> yeukhon: what branch are you wondering about ?
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741. # [10:30] <nthomas|away> mozilla-central/NIghtly is 3am Pacific
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748. # [10:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f613b4ac27f9 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 963167 - Convert JS_SetElement() to take HandleValue rather than MutableHandleValue r=sfink r=bz
749. # [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4b552faecc8 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 961795 - Track malloc allocations for TypedArray objects in the nursery r=terrence
750. # [10:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84a0bf9566e6 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 959787 - Handlify JS_Set* APIs r=terrence r=bz
751. # [10:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae1c853220e4 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 962576 - Improve profiling of minor GCs r=terrence
752. # [10:49] <yeukhon> nthomas|away: just nightly. by branch u mean that?
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755. # [10:49] <yeukhon> but if we have a table for beta, aurora too, that'd be great :)
756. # [10:49] <nthomas|away> 'nightlies' means a build which happens once a day,
757. # [10:49] <nthomas|away> 'Nightly' means the nightly which happens on mozilla-central
758. # [10:50] <yeukhon> yes. so when do we do a cut off and when is the build triggered? :)
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761. # [10:50] <nthomas|away> search for start_hour in http://hg.mozilla.org/build/buildbot-configs/file/production/mozilla/config.py
762. # [10:50] <yeukhon> oh
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765. # [10:51] <yeukhon> 03:02
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767. # [10:51] <nthomas|away> on many branches buildbot won't just take the tip though, it takes the the last revision to compile successfully
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769. # [10:51] <Ms2ger> Sort of :)
770. # [10:51] <nthomas|away> depending on enable_nightly_lastgood
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774. # [10:52] <yeukhon> yeah now
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790. # [10:55] <yeukhon> though i find it a bit interesting that we choose minute 02 :)
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792. # [10:56] <yeukhon> anyway its 5am here need to bed. good day everyone
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821. # [11:22] <Anupkumar> jesup: ping
822. # [11:23] <Anupkumar> jesup: I tried the same way you told but then also it is not working
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886. # [14:14] <paul> I have a question about the event loop: if there's a function that calls a *sync* XHR, and it takes 10s to complete the XHR, normally, no event can be treated until the XHR is done, right? Because apparently, scroll events still work and callbacks are called eventhough the XHR is not done.
887. # [14:15] <paul> there's something I'm not understanding here.
888. # [14:16] <till> paul: if the sync call is not done in a worker thread, then you're right - the event loop is fully blocked and no callbacks can be called
889. # [14:16] <till> paul: do you have a test case demonstrating the behavior you're seeing?
890. # [14:16] <paul> yes
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892. # [14:17] <paul> till: http://jsbin.com/oVAJEcaq/1/edit
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894. # [14:18] <paul> till: click on lock, multiple sync XHR are done in a for loop, while it's running, scroll, you'll see that console.log in the event callback is called
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899. # [14:23] <till> paul: hmm, yeah. I got nothing
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901. # [14:24] <till> paul: that's certainly not what I'd have expected
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903. # [14:25] <paul> till: you get nothing? You don't see the logs?
904. # [14:25] <till> paul: no, that's not what I meant. I don't have an explanation for what's going on
905. # [14:25] <paul> ok :)
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910. # [14:33] <till> paul: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Feb/0052.html
911. # [14:34] <paul> reading...
912. # [14:35] <till> paul: apparently, that's non-standard Gecko behavior
913. # [14:35] <samgtr> any doc to get started with?
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916. # [14:36] <till> samgtr: with what?
917. # [14:37] <paul> till: so what about that: http://jsbin.com/EfIJENE/1 <- it shows "123", I would expect "132"
918. # [14:37] <samgtr> i want to start contributing to mozilla
919. # [14:37] <paul> samgtr: go to #introduction
920. # [14:37] <samgtr> thanks paul
921. # [14:38] <till> paul: also, check out http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/ and http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
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924. # [14:38] <till> samgtr: and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction
925. # [14:38] <till> oh
926. # [14:38] <till> samgtr: also, check out http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/ and http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
927. # [14:38] <till> paul: sorry
928. # [14:39] <paul> till: your link is interesting... setTimeout(0) can happen in a sync call
929. # [14:39] <till> yep
930. # [14:39] <till> paul: whereas alert() really fully blocks the event loop, explaining your second test case
931. # [14:40] <samgtr> thanks till I'm seeing them now
932. # [14:40] <paul> till: webkit doesn't do that :( it shows 132
933. # [14:40] <till> samgtr: cool. And, welcome!
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935. # [14:40] <till> paul: oh, wait. I'm seeing 132 in Nightly, too
936. # [14:40] <paul> till: really?
937. # [14:41] <till> yup
938. # [14:41] <paul> I see 123.
939. # [14:41] <evilpie> till, paul: nope 123 for me
940. # [14:41] <paul> so wtf
941. # [14:41] <till> huh
942. # [14:42] <till> evilpie, paul: 132 in the oldest version I had around, 24, too
943. # [14:42] <till> evilpie, paul: which OS?
944. # [14:42] * till is on OS X
945. # [14:42] <evilpie> Linux
946. # [14:42] * till actually knew that :)
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949. # [14:43] <paul> linux
950. # [14:44] <till> interesting, so maybe the widget toolkit doesn't block the event loop in GTK, but does so in Cocoa
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952. # [14:45] <paul> no, because "2" and "3" are dumped after alert is done
953. # [14:47] <paul> all of that sucks, because I'm supposed to give a talk next week, and I was supposed to talk about the event loop, and I realize that I apparently don't understand it :)
954. # [14:47] <till> hmm
955. # [14:48] <till> paul: that isn't necessarily a contradiction, though: the event loop might not be blocked for JS execution, while display refresh is blocked
956. # [14:48] <till> and no, none of this seems ideal
957. # [14:50] <paul> but wait, that's also true for events, not just timeout. A sync call to XHR (which is supposed to behave like an alert()), doesn't block the event loop either
958. # [14:51] <paul> till: wait... look at this:
959. # [14:51] <paul> I get 132 too if I run this code in jsbin
960. # [14:52] <paul> might be something with jsbin...
961. # [14:52] <till> paul: you didn't post the link :)
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964. # [14:53] <paul> the 132 link
965. # [14:53] <paul> http://jsbin.com/EfIJENE/2/edit
966. # [14:53] <paul> meh
967. # [14:54] <paul> there's something wrong with my code
968. # [14:54] <paul> no I get 132 all the time
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971. # [14:58] <paul> funny, if I use the debugger, I see "132", without the debugger, I see "123"
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974. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> I see 123 if I click the button and immediately hit enter
975. # [15:03] <paul> Ms2ger: http://jsbin.com/eventloopmess <- what do you see here?
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977. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> Nice URL
978. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> Usually 1342
979. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> Sometimes 1324 or 13422
980. # [15:04] <till> wow
981. # [15:04] <paul> Ms2ger: wut?
982. # [15:04] <paul> weird
983. # [15:04] <till> I constantly see 1342
984. # [15:05] <paul> I see "1324" all the time.
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986. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> Yeah, one of those makes sense
987. # [15:05] <paul> Ms2ger: do you understand how it's possible that "2" happens before "4" ?
988. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> 1324 more likely if you keep the alert up lo,ger
989. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> alert() spins the event loop
990. # [15:06] <Ms2ger> And setTimeout(0) just puts a task at the end of the event loop
991. # [15:06] <paul> I see
992. # [15:07] <till> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333198#c75 and following comments
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994. # [15:07] <paul> Ms2ger: if I replace alert() with a *synchronous* XHR, what would happen?
995. # [15:07] <Ms2ger> I suspect 1324
996. # [15:07] <till> paul: ^
997. # [15:07] <paul> till: looking
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1001. # [15:09] <paul> Ms2ger: if I replace alert() with a for(0->100000){}, we agree that, in this case, we will see "1342"?
1002. # [15:11] <paul> I didn't know it was possible to spin the event loop in the middle of a JS function. I thought we would run a JS call "to completion" before spinning the event loop
1003. # [15:12] <till> paul: ah, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425988 is enlightening
1004. # [15:13] <paul> reading
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1007. # [15:13] <paul> wow
1008. # [15:13] <paul> till: very interesting
1009. # [15:14] <till> yeah
1010. # [15:14] <paul> till: so alert() does the same thing then
1011. # [15:14] <till> paul: well, not entirely, as it does different things on different platforms
1012. # [15:14] <till> paul: my money is still on differences in event handling in the toolkit for that one
1013. # [15:15] <paul> till: I can get the same behavior as yours if my code runs in an iframe
1014. # [15:15] <till> interesting
1015. # [15:16] <till> paul: I would bet that these things will change - if we can get away with it at all - once we switch to a multi-process model
1016. # [15:16] <paul> so understand some conditions (platform, iframe, ...), alert() suspends the execution of a call stack and some other events can be processed
1017. # [15:16] <paul> s/understand/under/
1018. # [15:16] <paul> I don't know...
1019. # [15:17] <paul> but knowing the execution of a call stack can be suspended to spin the event loop is very very interesting
1020. # [15:17] <paul> so much I don't know...
1021. # [15:17] <till> also, it sucks
1022. # [15:17] <till> as bz and shaver say in that bug: we don't want that behavior at all
1023. # [15:17] <paul> determinism
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1025. # [15:19] <Ms2ger> paul, yep, with a plain loop, you'll get 1342
1026. # [15:19] <paul> last comment of bug 425988 is interesting.
1027. # [15:20] <paul> hooooo, of course! Now I understand the whole story:
1028. # [15:20] <paul> if alert() was blocking the event loop, we would be stuck on a webpage, we could not be able to switch to a new tab
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1030. # [15:20] <paul> same with XHR
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1034. # [15:21] <paul> that's why in Chrome the behavior is different. They don't have one event loop for the UI. So alert() and XHR can block the event loop in Chrome.
1035. # [15:22] <paul> all of that is very interesting :)
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1037. # [15:22] <paul> till: thanks for your help
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1039. # [15:25] <till> paul: you're welcome. This was really interesting for me, too :)
1040. # [15:25] <Ms2ger> Now you understand one of the terrible warts of the web platform :)
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1042. # [15:26] <paul> stupid question... but can't we have different event loop per tab without e10s?
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1044. # [15:26] <Ms2ger> I believe someone is working on that
1045. # [15:26] <Ms2ger> Not sure it'll happen
1046. # [15:27] <paul> ok
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1049. # [15:31] <ttaubert> I didn't follow the conversation but bug 715376 may be related
1050. # [15:31] <paul> ttaubert: right
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1054. # [15:32] <vignesh> How do i return a promise always from a function?
1055. # [15:32] <vignesh> promise.deffered will do?
1056. # [15:32] <paul> ttaubert: I just discovered that some sync JS calls can be interupted to spin the event loop. That was the dicussion. I feel smarter now.
1057. # [15:33] <ttaubert> vignesh: return Promise.defer("value")
1058. # [15:33] <ttaubert> vignesh: nuts. sorry. Promise.resolve("value")
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1061. # [15:33] <ttaubert> paul: scary, I need to read the backlog :)
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1063. # [15:34] <vignesh> ttaubert: that value corresponds to any function?
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1065. # [15:35] <paul> ttaubert: http://jsbin.com/eventloopmess
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1067. # [15:35] <paul> ttaubert: sometimes, "2" happens before "4"
1068. # [15:36] <ttaubert> paul: yeah, that's rather unexpected
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1070. # [15:37] <ttaubert> vignesh: I don't understand, you need to be more specific about what you are trying to do
1071. # [15:37] <vignesh> okay let me tell you
1072. # [15:37] <vignesh> ttaubert:I am checking the stopPicker method in toolbox.js
1073. # [15:38] <vignesh> ttaubert: I need to return a promise from the method always
1074. # [15:38] <ttaubert> vignesh: but it does already return a promise?
1075. # [15:39] <vignesh> ttaubert: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=962478
1076. # [15:39] <paul> ttaubert: it does
1077. # [15:39] <vignesh> yeah it does, I don't get what pbrosset is pointing out
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1079. # [15:39] <paul> vignesh: I think I wrote this code... or maybe pbrosset did
1080. # [15:40] <paul> vignesh: looking at your patch
1081. # [15:40] <vignesh> paul: hmmm :)
1082. # [15:40] <ttaubert> vignesh: he's pointing out that it would be better for us to always call stopPicker()
1083. # [15:40] <ttaubert> and that should do
1084. # [15:40] <vignesh> paul: I wanted to move the check inside stopPicker and make the fund always return promise
1085. # [15:40] <ttaubert> if (!this._isPicking) return Promise.resolve()
1086. # [15:41] <ttaubert> at the beginning of the function
1087. # [15:41] <ttaubert> so even if there is nothing to do
1088. # [15:41] <ttaubert> it will just return an already resolved promise
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1090. # [15:41] <ttaubert> to keep the code simple
1091. # [15:41] <vignesh> Oh i see , I got it ttaubert :)
1092. # [15:41] <vignesh> So if there is no promise it creates a new promise
1093. # [15:41] <vignesh> if its there it returns already resolved promise?
1094. # [15:42] <vignesh> Have i got that right?
1095. # [15:42] <paul> vignesh: I think you did
1096. # [15:42] <vignesh> Thanks a lot guys :)
1097. # [15:42] <paul> promises are hard.
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1099. # [15:43] <vignesh> This is my first bug so I wanted to be careful :), will catch up soon
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1101. # [15:43] <ttaubert> paul: indeed. takes a little time to understand them fully
1102. # [15:44] <vignesh> any best article you would suggest for me to understand it?
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1120. # [15:55] <djc> is there a bug for OS X/trackpad scrolling brokenness in today's Nightly already?
1121. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> Not that I heard of
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1164. # [17:01] <paul> I'm working on some slides for a conference. I'm looking for examples of operations that run in different threads. network requests, css animations, compositing, ... what else?
1165. # [17:01] <paul> workers
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1167. # [17:05] <ttaubert> I/O
1168. # [17:05] <ttaubert> disk I/O
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1171. # [17:06] <evilpie> Ion compilation
1172. # [17:06] <ttaubert> possibly finding dominant colors of favicons
1173. # [17:07] <paul> thanks
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1176. # [17:09] <evilpie> GC things
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1178. # [17:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36dfbfb486f5 - Ms2ger - Bug 243412. Enable unprefixed 'box-sizing'. r=dbaron
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1180. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> ?!
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1182. # [17:20] <reuben> hah
1183. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> Apparently I wasn't ccd to that bug
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1190. # [17:28] <Ms2ger> ###!!! ASSERTION: Pseudo-element snuck into SelectorMatches?: '!aSelector->IsPseudoElement()'
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1198. # [17:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f777e85ac442 - Martyn Haigh - bug 957059 - Refactor isCorrectManifest function to not match querystring and beyond in provided URLs; r=wesj
1199. # [17:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3382f9254a8 - Martyn Haigh - bug 957057 - refactor import in browser.js to make code easier to understand; r=wesj
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1202. # [17:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a85a91d17061 - Myk Melez - Bug 962790 - ensure registryReady before calling DOMApplicationRegistry methods; r=wesj
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1366. # [21:24] <Optimizer1> so... is there any notification about localstorage data being modified ?
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1374. # [21:40] <@smaug> Optimizer: maybe "dom-storage2-changed"
1375. # [21:40] <Optimizer> i am looking in http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/src/storage/DOMStorageObserver.cpp file, is this the correct file ?
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1377. # [21:40] <@smaug> at least nsGlobalWindow uses "dom-storage2-changed"
1378. # [21:41] <Optimizer> is that for localstorage or session storage or what ?
1379. # [21:42] <Ms2ger> Why not both?
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1381. # [21:42] <Optimizer> how do I know then ?
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1384. # [21:44] <ttaubert> Optimizer: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/StorageEvent
1385. # [21:47] <Optimizer> i am able to get notification via notification observer and topic "dom-storage2-changed" .
1386. # [21:47] <Optimizer> but how to use what you linked ttaubert ?
1387. # [21:47] <ttaubert> .addEventListener()
1388. # [21:47] <Optimizer> what is the event name ?
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1390. # [21:48] <Optimizer> "StorageEvent" ?
1391. # [21:50] <ttaubert> "storage"
1392. # [21:50] <Optimizer> this is also common for local storage and session storage ?
1393. # [21:50] <ttaubert> but it's only fired for windows other than the one that contains the storageArea that changed
1394. # [21:50] <Optimizer> lol
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1396. # [21:50] <Optimizer> does it bubbles up to Chrome window ?
1397. # [21:51] <ttaubert> you maybe want MozStorageChanged, which we added for sessionstore
1398. # [21:51] <Optimizer> also, is this event available to all firefox os and android firefox ?
1399. # [21:51] <Optimizer> (some documentation will help)
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1402. # [21:51] <ttaubert> should be, it's implemented in nsGlobalWindow
1403. # [21:52] <Optimizer> the "dom-storage2-changed" is fired for both local storrage and session storage with the same subject format
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1405. # [21:52] <Optimizer> so there is no way to differentiate
1406. # [21:53] <ttaubert> listen for MozStorageChanged
1407. # [21:53] <ttaubert> and check if event.storageArea == window.localStorage
1408. # [21:53] <Optimizer> event.storageArea == window.sessionStorage will also work ?
1409. # [21:54] <ttaubert> no
1410. # [21:54] <ttaubert> (just kidding)
1411. # [21:54] <ttaubert> so, yes. that's how you can do it.
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1414. # [21:55] <Optimizer> I added an event listener on chrome window
1415. # [21:55] <Optimizer> its not firing
1416. # [21:56] <Optimizer> window.addEventListener("MozStorageChanged", e => {
1417. # [21:56] <Optimizer> console.log(e);
1418. # [21:56] <Optimizer> })
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1420. # [21:56] <ttaubert> I have no clue, we use a frame script for e10s compat
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1434. # [22:14] <Optimizer> ttaubert: so, I had to capture it in bubbling phase
1435. # [22:14] <Optimizer> so, I can identify whether it is session storage or local storage too
1436. # [22:14] <Optimizer> but some of the events are neither of them.
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1438. # [22:14] <ttaubert> might be globalStorage
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1440. # [22:15] <Optimizer> that was removed in fx 13
1441. # [22:15] <Optimizer> (so as the mdn page says)
1442. # [22:15] <ttaubert> hm okay
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1444. # [22:17] <Optimizer> it is localstorage only
1445. # [22:17] <Optimizer> the event.
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1452. # [22:18] <ttaubert> fires for sessionStorage as well
1453. # [22:19] <Optimizer> I meant
1454. # [22:19] <Optimizer> there are some events, which are neither of them
1455. # [22:20] <Optimizer> and one common thing is that they have similar sounding keys
1456. # [22:20] <Optimizer> __XHRNotes__:%2Fi%2Fnotifications
1457. # [22:20] <ttaubert> hm, no idea. I thought that's not possible
1458. # [22:20] <Optimizer> its coming from twitter
1459. # [22:21] <Optimizer> I get it why its not matching...
1460. # [22:21] <Optimizer> twitter is itself adding some properties to the window.localStorage object
1461. # [22:22] <Optimizer> thus the check for event.storageArea == window.localStorage fails.
1462. # [22:22] <ttaubert> interesting
1463. # [22:22] <Optimizer> its over populating localstorage object. i wonder why will it do that . :|
1464. # [22:23] <Optimizer> so i guess the == window.fooStorage is not the proper way ..
1465. # [22:26] <ttaubert> would probably work in a content script
1466. # [22:26] <ttaubert> where .localStorage isn't the overriden one
1467. # [22:26] <Optimizer> it is
1468. # [22:26] <ttaubert> working? or the overriden one?
1469. # [22:26] <Optimizer> so the its overridden at both the places
1470. # [22:27] <ttaubert> hm
1471. # [22:27] <Optimizer> but intermittently due to some sync issues, one of them is updated and other is not
1472. # [22:27] <Optimizer> so they dont ===
1473. # [22:27] <Optimizer> ==*
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1480. # [22:31] <Optimizer> localstorage is url based, and not host based, right ?
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1487. # [22:36] <Optimizer> ttaubert: I see, they are not actually populating any thing on localStorage object, its the web console which shows all the keys as if they were on localStorage itself.
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1490. # [22:37] <Optimizer> so basically, the issue is that at the point when the event is listened by the event listener, event.storageArea and window.localStorage are not in sync sometimes.
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