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# Session Start: Tue Feb 04 00:00:01 2014
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:01] <jwalden> so http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/filelog/default/intl/icu/source/data/xml/main/yo.xml shows that file containing -0800
# [00:02] <jwalden> and yet if I look at that file in my tree, it has +0000 in it
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# [00:03] <gps> I need help with a very basic nsIFile usage issue. http://ask.mozilla.org/question/5/abort-you-cant-dereference-a-null-nscomptr-with-operator-with-nsifile/
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# [00:04] <@ehsan> gps: you're dereferencing a null pointer
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# [00:04] <@ehsan> that message is just a helpful assertion telling you that you'll crash in the next few instructions :)
# [00:05] <@ehsan> specifically, you're not initializing eventsDir to anything
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# [00:05] <@ehsan> so what you're getting is expected
# [00:05] <@gavin> you need to call createInstance to get an nsIFile
# [00:05] <dmajor> jwalden: ping
# [00:05] <jwalden> dmajor: pong
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# [00:06] <gps> ehsan: so why does it work with NS_GetSpecialDirectory("ProfD", getter_AddRefs(eventsDir));
# [00:06] <@ehsan> gps: gavin probably means do_CreateInstance()
# [00:06] <@gavin> gps: like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/HTMLInputElement.cpp#290
# [00:06] <dmajor> jwalden: I see that you've wrestled with the jsreftest regress-617935.js quite a bit...
# [00:06] <@gavin> ehsan: that's what I said
# [00:06] <gps> is getter_AddRefs() or NS_GetSpecialDirectory() doing the magic?
# [00:06] <@gavin> gps: NS_GetSpecialDirectory creates the nsIfile for you
# [00:06] <@ehsan> because that call returns the nsIFile as an out arg
# [00:06] <gps> ahhh
# [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f10b3ebdc756 - Lukas Blakk - Merging in version bump NO BUG CLOSED TREE
# [00:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bfbfeaf931b1 - Lukas Blakk - Added tag FIREFOX_AURORA_29_BASE-m, Tagging for mozilla-central version bumps CLOSED TREE DONTBUILD for changeset ba2cc1eda988
# [00:07] <@ehsan> gavin: sans the do_ part :)
# [00:07] <dmajor> jwalden: it's crashing for me on mac try pushes but I can't reproduce locally. any ideas for what I can do?
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# [00:07] <@gavin> I was providing the essential information
# [00:08] <@gavin> my mind is not a C++ compiler
# [00:08] <@ehsan> well, this is gps' first C++ patch for mozilla :)
# [00:08] <@ehsan> so I was trying to be super accuratre
# [00:08] <jwalden> dmajor: what exit code does it have on try?
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# [00:09] <dmajor> jwalden: erm, I dunno. it crashes with a stack in jemalloc code (which I touched)
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# [00:09] <jwalden> hm
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# [00:09] <jwalden> dmajor: offhand I don't know any super-quick tricks for this
# [00:10] <jwalden> dmajor: although, I kind of am not a fan of that sort of super-large-memory testing, because it tends to break down pretty easily in practice
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# [00:11] <dmajor> jwalden: my changes ought to be safe, which makes me suspect there's some previously-hidden memory issue being exposed. (which would make it that much harder for me to find, not knowing the calling code)
# [00:11] <taras> hi guys, we just lit up http://ask.mozilla.org/question/3/why-use-askmozillaorg/ please direct questions that might get asked multiple times that way
# [00:11] <jwalden> taras: gps stole your thunder :-)
# [00:12] <taras> oh, fantastic
# [00:12] <taras> thanks gps
# [00:12] <jwalden> in a sense
# [00:12] <@gavin> except we all answered on IRC
# [00:12] <@gavin> doin' it wrong
# [00:12] <taras> nah bsmedberg did a nice reply there
# [00:12] <taras> we are all winning
# [00:12] <@ehsan> somebody can cut and paste our answer :P
# [00:13] <@bsmedberg> there's some weirdness with formatting and capitalization
# [00:13] <gps> heh
# [00:13] <@gavin> </nsifile></nsifile> o_O
# [00:13] <gps> taras: the formatting is buggy. My "->" renders properly in the preview but gets converted to "->" in the actual post
# [00:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6b4a0aafef18 - Lukas Blakk - Tagging end of BETA 27 CLOSED TREE DONTBUILD NO BUG
# [00:14] <gps> otherwise huge +100 for standing this up
# [00:14] <gps> can't wait for the culture to shift towards asking questions via pasted ask.mozilla.org links
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# [00:15] <@ehsan> gps: so, now that you're here, are you gonna do some reviews for me? ;)
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# [00:16] <taras> gps: it only took 4 months of legal review to stand this up ;)
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# [00:16] <Unfocused> whoa, what is this thing?!
# [00:16] <cpeterson> gps: imagine an askbot-bot that, when it sees questions on IRC, it searches for likely ask.mozilla.org posts and drops the link in channel.
# [00:17] <gps> \o/
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# [00:17] <gps> ehsan: I have to go to the dentist in a few minutes, so not today most likely
# [00:18] <@ehsan> gps: was more of a general question :)
# [00:18] <@ehsan> the patch has been there for a week or so
# [00:18] <@ehsan> taras_: only 4 months? ;)
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# [00:19] <aja> calendar time doesn't matter....it's billable hours!
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# [00:19] <@bz> ooh
# [00:19] * @bz sees chance to have more rss feeds
# [00:19] <@ehsan> kats: I suggest picking a different reviewer for bug 845690 if you want a faster review
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# [00:20] <jwalden> ehsan: so if I run those steps with your patch applied, I get no changes
# [00:20] <kats> ehsan: do you want to review it?
# [00:20] <@ehsan> RyanVM: can we land stuff now?
# [00:20] <jwalden> ehsan: which is good enough to land, at least
# [00:20] <@ehsan> kats: nice try :P
# [00:20] <RyanVM> ehsan: in about 1 minute :)
# [00:20] <jwalden> no idea why you see bunches of changes still :-\
# [00:20] <@ehsan> RyanVM: cool, thanks
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# [00:20] <kats> ehsan: heh :) can you suggest somebody else then?
# [00:20] <@ehsan> jwalden: that's good!
# [00:20] <@bz> hmm
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# [00:20] <@bz> is there an "all questions" feed?
# [00:21] <jwalden> ehsan: you don't have some super-custom local svn settings or so, do you?
# [00:21] <@bsmedberg> bz: not http://ask.mozilla.org/feeds/rss/? ?
# [00:21] <jwalden> ehsan: that would override |export TZ=UTC| in the environment
# [00:21] <kats> ehsan: really i just need a peer rubber-stamp it
# [00:21] <@ehsan> kats: r=me (it worked ;)
# [00:21] <kats> ehsan: thanks :)
# [00:21] <@bz> bsmedberg: perfect
# [00:21] <@ehsan> I'm not a peer, but who cares? ;)
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# [00:21] <@bz> bsmedberg: btw, I like the plaintive </nsifile></nsifile>
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# [00:22] <RyanVM> ehsan: fire away :)
# [00:22] <@bsmedberg> indeed, even the automated systems know what we need to do!
# [00:22] <@ehsan> jwalden: I should not have any svn settings anywhere!
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# [00:22] <@bz> bsmedberg: ;)
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# [00:22] <jwalden> yeah, I dunno what's up here
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# [00:22] <@bz> no persona here, eh?
# [00:22] <jwalden> maybe once this is all in place I should put out a blog plea for help figuring it out
# [00:23] <@ehsan> bz: read that red text? ;)
# [00:23] <@bz> oh, heh
# [00:23] <@bz> it totally got ad-filtered by my brain
# [00:23] <mjrosenb> was there a change recently which would cause 'switch to tab' to not be the first entry?
# [00:23] <@bz> along with the ad-like bar at the bottom, etc
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# [00:24] <@ehsan> lol
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# [00:24] <@bz> Something about the placement + color....
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# [00:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a85e47332d67 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 845690 - Print a warning for developers if we apply our implicit backwards-compatible meta-viewport tag. r=ehsan,f=vingtetun
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# [00:26] <@ehsan> kats: this is how you pay me back, by midairing with my push?!
# [00:26] <RyanVM> hah
# [00:27] <kats> ehsan: sorreee :(
# [00:27] <@ehsan> it's ok!
# [00:27] <RyanVM> sheesh, you had a whole 5min
# [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d0f1ccbc7cfc - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924839 - Reapply the OSX part of the fix to bug 915735
# [00:27] <@ehsan> RyanVM: well I ef'ed up my local clone ;)
# [00:27] <till> bholley: ping
# [00:27] <@ehsan> not a very strong defence I know
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# [00:28] <bholley> till: in a 1-on-1 - give me 30?
# [00:28] <till> bholley: sure
# [00:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d0317f079e3 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 966543 - Ensure that the MacIOSurfaceTextureHost has taken a ref to the surface before letting the client side object be destroyed. r=nical
# [00:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86c79748c589 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 952011 - Add gfx3DMatrix API for untransformed rects and points. r=bjacob
# [00:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a0df2e79e3b - Matt Woodrow - Bug 952011 - Use Untransform API to safetly untransform points when we have a projective matrix. r=roc
# [00:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fd4496e847a - Matt Woodrow - Bug 952011 - Remove some nsLayoutUtils transform functions that are no longer needed. r=roc
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# [00:38] <reuben> [21:05:09] <@ehsan> so I was trying to be super accuratre
# [00:38] <reuben> heh
# [00:38] <reuben> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
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# [00:38] <@ehsan> reuben: touche!
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# [00:38] <@ehsan> reuben: also, see the part about "trying"? ;)
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# [00:47] <taras> gps: is there a count(*) equivalent in graphite?
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# [00:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5bcdeb39c890 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 946929 - Part 2, Disable painting for the shell while the child views are detached. r=roc
# [00:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae57a2bfa2c7 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 946929 - Part 1, Don't schedule paint related events in a detached pres context. r=roc
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# [00:53] <jwalden> ehsan: so it seems something in Mercurial is trying to keyword-expand that bit, so it's possible to have different $Date ...$ in different working copies, based upon the same revision :-(
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# [00:53] <jwalden> ehsan: which is supremely unhelpful here
# [00:53] <jwalden> ehsan: and which is pretty strange, because I thought the keyword extension wasn't on by default
# [00:53] <@ehsan> huh
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# [01:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/244ec084065b - Brian Smith - Bug 967175: Remove EV entries for ValiCert (Go Daddy) roots removed in bug 936304, r=kwilson
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# [01:13] <briansmith> Is mozilla-inbound already Firefox 30, or is it still Firefox 29?
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# [01:14] <briansmith> thanks
# [01:14] <glandium> jesup_mac: ping
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# [01:30] <sfink> glandium: what version of binutils do I need?
# [01:30] <sfink> I wasn't requesting any particular version
# [01:30] <glandium> sfink: use the same as the one we use for gcc 4.7.3
# [01:30] <glandium> sfink: that is, just take the build-gcc.sh script and use it to build gcc 4.7.2
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# [01:31] <glandium> sfink: build/unix/build-gcc/build-gcc.sh
# [01:31] <sfink> hm, ok
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# [01:33] <sfink> wow, does that script just work?
# [01:33] <sfink> cool
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# [01:34] <glandium> sfink: yup, just work, as long as you have the required dependencies
# [01:34] <glandium> sfink: like flex, bison, and i don't remember what else
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# [01:37] <sfink> of course, if it works, I'll still need to make an RPM :(
# [01:37] <glandium> sfink: relatedly, what's that ANALYZED_OBJDIR business?
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# [01:37] <glandium> sfink: don't make an rpm
# [01:37] <glandium> sfink: use tooltool
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# [01:38] <sfink> I guess I will have to learn how to use tooltool then
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# [01:39] <sfink> glandium: ANALYZED_OBJDIR is really just a dumping ground for all the object files I generate during analysis. Come to think of it, maybe I don't need it at all. I think I have absolute paths for all of the *real* output files.
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# [01:41] <sfink> glandium: where does tooltool pull its stuff from? Is there a place I could check to see what already exists?
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# [01:42] <glandium> sfink: ./browser/config/tooltool-manifests
# [01:42] <glandium> sfink: you need to get your builds to use tooltool. Ask releng
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# [01:43] <RyanVM|afk> kats: b-i bustage
# [01:43] <glandium> sfink: you'll just have to adapt gcc.tar.xz
# [01:43] <glandium> sfink: when you have built gcc.tar.xz, ask rail to deploy it
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# [01:47] <philor> you are!
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# [01:48] <RyanVM|afk> shhhhh
# [01:49] <RyanVM|afk> and funny enough, the follow-up probably fixes the bustage
# [01:49] <RyanVM|afk> good thing I already hit the cancel-all buttom
# [01:50] <RyanVM|afk> philor: i'll trigger new dep builds once the cancel goes through
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# [01:56] <fabrice1> RyanVM|afk: yeah, I should have fixed it
# [01:57] <fabrice1> trying to keep the tree opened more than 20 minutes :P
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# [02:02] <fabrice1> philor: ping?
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# [02:03] <RyanVM|afk> philor: up to attempt #3 to trigger new builds
# [02:03] <RyanVM|afk> theeeere we go
# [02:04] <fabrice1> philor: can we restart the builds on b2g-inbound ?
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# [02:04] <RyanVM|afk> fabrice1: see above
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# [02:04] <RyanVM|afk> (and refresh b-i)
# [02:04] <philor> ignore his afk, he's really still sheriffduty
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# [02:04] <fabrice1> ha thanks
# [02:05] <RyanVM|afk> I try to clean up my messes anyway :)
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# [02:05] <philor> RyanVM|afk: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34029709&tree=Mozilla-Central :|
# [02:05] <RyanVM|afk> yeah, saw that earlier today too
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# [02:10] <bz_away> why am I only getting 30KB/s to the FTP server?
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# [02:37] <@roc> am I missing something, or is Google pushing Web developers to write Chrome-only Web apps using the Chromecast API as evil as it sounds?
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# [02:42] <doublec> roc: i thought the chromecast api was for native apps
# [02:42] <fabrice1> roc: hey, you can also use ios oar android!
# [02:42] <fabrice1> doublec: they have a chrome extension too
# [02:43] <doublec> fabrice1: ok,thanks
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# [02:46] <fabrice1> roc: I don't think you're missing anything, no. They build their ecosystem
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# [02:46] <@roc> they used to talk about Web standards
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# [02:49] <ewong> Chrome-only Web apps are going to be the 'standard'?
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# [02:51] <jcranmer> well, Google's motto is no longer "Don't be evil"
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# [02:52] <jcranmer> presumably dropped when they realized their CEO had a degree in Evil Overlordship
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# [02:54] <@khuey> I knew I chose the wrong major
# [02:54] <ewong> khuey: which major would you have chosen?
# [02:54] <dholbert> ewong, see jcranmer's last message
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# [02:55] <ewong> OOhh.. "Evil Overlordship" ah I see
# [02:55] <ewong> it's really not too late.
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# [02:55] <ewong> you can always go for the Masters in Evil Overlordship, and then the PHd in Evil Overlordship
# [02:56] <jcranmer> perhaps weather control was the wrong concentration...
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# [02:57] <bz_away> roc: they're also threatening to ship totally half-baked shadow DOM
# [02:57] <@khuey> ewong: I think it's too late
# [02:57] <@khuey> not sure I could handle going back to skool
# [02:58] <tbsaunde> not even to be an evil overload?
# [02:58] <ewong> khuey: I know what you mean.
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# [02:58] <tbsaunde> evil overlord even
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# [02:58] <tbsaunde> evil overloads are more different ;)
# [02:58] <@khuey> tbsaunde: I'd prefer the "or equivalent experience" route
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# [02:59] <jcranmer> bz_away: :-/
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# [03:00] <@khuey> try 1523 / 629
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# [03:00] <@khuey> guess it's dinner time
# [03:00] <bz_away> man
# [03:00] <bz_away> different stack sizes or something....
# [03:00] <@roc> bz_away: in what way?
# [03:01] <bz_away> roc: "too much recursion" JS exceptions on some platforms but not others
# [03:01] <bz_away> roc: on the same code
# [03:01] <bz_away> roc: with wildly different recursion depths. :(
# [03:01] <bz_away> roc: e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960523
# [03:01] <benjamin> could be compiler
# [03:01] <bz_away> Could be
# [03:01] <bz_away> Could be all sorts of things
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# [03:02] <@khuey> ES 22 should define a stack recursion limit
# [03:02] <@roc> sorry, I meant "what's half-baked about their shadow DOM"
# [03:02] <@khuey> how about 12 frmes?
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# [03:02] <bz_away> roc: the brief summary is broken styling, broken event model
# [03:03] <bz_away> roc: if I understand right
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# [03:04] <jcranmer> khuey: no, 31.4 frames
# [03:05] <benjamin> I suppose it's appropiate that the "shadow" DOM have shifty semantics
# [03:05] <@roc> well, I hope someone's exerting pushback
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# [03:06] <bz_away> "build the js engine in c++11 mode"
# [03:06] <bz_away> roc: working on that happening...
# [03:06] * bz_away wonders how _that_ would affect stack sizes
# [03:07] <benjamin> do we not already do that?
# [03:07] <bz_away> yes
# [03:07] <bz_away> but that patch landed in the regression range for bug 966173
# [03:07] <benjamin> ahhhhhh
# [03:08] * benjamin supposes Bug 712381 should be closed
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# [03:08] <bz_away> well
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# [03:08] <bz_away> "build the js engine in c++11 mode when we do that for the rest of the tree "
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# [03:09] <tbsaunde> which at this point means do it everywhere I'm pretty sure
# [03:09] <bz_away> tbsaunde: yeah
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# [03:11] <cpearce> philor: may I borrow your orange eye? can you tell me whether the failures in B2G desktop linux x64 opt in this push are known: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c97837bafed0 they don't look like my push caused them, but they've failed 5/7 so far...
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# [03:12] -lsblakk:#developers- MERGE COMPLETE
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# [03:13] <philor> cpearce: you'd find using https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cb4960e3af99 or later as a parent nicer, but that's about how they were, nothing to do with you as long as you got them to run once
# [03:14] <cpearce> philor: ok thanks. You're awesome by the way.
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# [03:14] <philor> :)
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# [03:16] <firebot> Check-in:
# [03:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53489b3e14f1 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 960822 - Limit the Shrink-To-Fit scaling for documents with a text-ish content type so that the content is still visible with extremely long lines. r=dholbert
# [03:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b8fdcee7a26 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 966419 - Update the global ShrinkToFitRatio when the current page overflows and requires additional scaling to fit horizontally on the page in Print/Preview.
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# [03:16] <firebot> r=dholbert
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# [03:18] <philor> wow, this must be an impressive bunch of TinderboxPrints, loading it has hung my browser
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# [03:21] <Jesse> how many times has the layout team fixed "Tinderbox logs hang Firefox" so far?
# [03:21] <froydnj> loading logs feels snappier lately
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# [03:22] <heycam> jdaggett was doing something about that recently
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# [03:22] <Unfocused> maybe we can get mrc to look at it
# [03:22] <Unfocused> er, nrc
# [03:22] <@khuey> can't tell if joke or ...
# [03:23] <Unfocused> :)
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# [03:24] <bz_away> nrc: in fairness, a goal for servo is to not have pages hang the browser.... ;)
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# [03:25] <froydnj> maybe we can encourage the sheriffs to use servo for their log viewing
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# [03:25] <nrc> that is not what I would call a short term solution, however...
# [03:26] <ewong> so there's a firefox version running on servo?
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# [03:31] <ewong> (asked with a slight tinge of ignorance)
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# [03:33] <jwalden> depends on your definition of "firefox", and of "running", and of "servo"
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# [03:33] <jwalden> images, but not much CSS, not tables yet, JS but an old version of SpiderMonkey, etc.
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# [03:36] <Jesse> jwalden++
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# [03:39] <ewong> where does the 'firefox-on-top-of-servo' code reside?
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# [03:40] <ewong> so I'm understanding that Servo 'will eventually' replace Gecko?
# [03:41] <jcranmer> ewong: Servo is an experiment
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# [03:42] <jcranmer> it's not necessarily going to replace Gecko
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# [03:46] <bz_sleep> is there a way to delete things from etherpad.m.o?
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# [03:47] <Jesse> including the history?
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# [03:47] <Jesse> admins can
# [03:47] <bz_sleep> I basically created something with the wrong title
# [03:47] <bz_sleep> and I'd just like to nix it, for cleanliness' sake
# [03:47] <Jesse> oh, just blank it with a link to the correct spot
# [03:47] <bz_sleep> not worth bothering admins about
# [03:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c66ebc941479 - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 1: Refactor MediaDecoderReader.h into separate headers. r=cpearce
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# [03:49] <ewong> aside for bz, does anyone know who else can help me with bug 918771? It's my understanding that in order to 'fix' this bug, when accessing the URL, I should get two passes, right?
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# [03:50] <ewong> ( I realize bz's the mentor, but I figured someone else might know?)
# [03:50] <bz_sleep> I'm sorta here
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# [03:51] <bz_sleep> http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/XMLHttpRequest/send-entity-body-document.htm should not have any FAIL
# [03:51] <bz_sleep> how many PASS it has, who knows
# [03:51] <ewong> bz_sleep I didn't want to bother you as you were heading to bed.
# [03:51] * bz_sleep looks at test
# [03:51] <@khuey> this is pretty early for bz to be sleeping :P
# [03:51] <bz_sleep> Probably get 4 passes if all goes to plan?
# [03:52] <bz_sleep> khuey: I got up at like 6:30 this morning
# [03:52] <bz_sleep> khuey: and was up late last night...
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# [03:52] <bz_sleep> so I am in fact working on sleep here
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# [03:55] <bz_sleep> ftp so broken
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# [03:55] <bz_sleep> about 60% of my wgets get normal speed
# [03:55] <bz_sleep> and the others get surreally slow speed.
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# [03:56] <bz_sleep> 13s download vs 15min download...
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# [04:00] <ewong> bz_sleep atm, for the first test, I get https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4177655 as a result
# [04:01] <bz_sleep> ewong: sounds like the server is buggy
# [04:01] <bz_sleep> ewong: tell HAllvord?
# [04:01] <bz_sleep> er, Hallvord
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# [04:03] <philor> mbrubeck: any idea why dromaeo-metro would fail to start up on PGO builds?
# [04:03] <mbrubeck> nope
# [04:03] <philor> like... we build them disable-metro? :)
# [04:03] <mbrubeck> could be
# [04:03] <mbrubeck> is this on beta?
# [04:03] <philor> no, trunk
# [04:04] <bz_sleep> ewong: ok, sleeping for real
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# [04:04] <ewong> bz_sleep g'night! thanks!
# [04:05] <philor> cat .mozconfig says... --enable-metro
# [04:05] <mbrubeck> philor: Is mochitest-metro passing? If so, then --enable-metro is on...
# [04:05] <philor> yup and yup
# [04:05] * mbrubeck wonders when we added dromaeo-metro and whether it's ever been green
# [04:06] <philor> today, and no
# [04:06] <philor> but with the qualifier "on PGO"
# [04:06] <mbrubeck> grr
# [04:06] <philor> we spent quite a while with it on Cedar, where we probably don't do PGO
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# [04:09] <philor> well, this is why we have a Testing::Talos component :)
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# [04:10] <mbrubeck> yeah, still no ideas here
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# [04:19] <philor> oh, my, we enabled it on aurora? that's going to leave a mark
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# [04:24] <aja> speaking of enabled on aurora...australis?
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# [04:33] <Unfocused> australis! \o/
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# [04:43] <jcranmer> aja: so, what, T-10h for shrill users complaining about australis?
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# [04:45] <aja> jcranmer: T-10h?
# [04:45] <aja> 10 hours?
# [04:45] <jcranmer> yeah
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# [04:46] <jcranmer> when people wake up, get a new aurora version and discover it for the first time
# [04:46] * aja thinks he'll pass on reading mozillazine for a few days :)
# [04:46] <jcranmer> you actually read that?
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# [04:46] <aja> occasionall
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# [04:46] <aja> y
# [04:47] <jcranmer> I've assumed that it's basically the playground for vociferous... anti-change users
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# [04:48] <aja> jcranmer: that's a lot of it....but they find real bugs too
# [04:49] <aja> jcranmer: where you at getting all that snow?
# [04:49] <jcranmer> aja: Urbana, IL
# [04:50] <jcranmer> the snow is supposed to hit tomorrow
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# [04:50] <dietrich> anyone know if you can view ranges in the hg web ui?
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# [04:52] <aja> jcranmer: left STL Fri (before the ice)....now sitting across street from spring training field
# [04:52] <jcranmer> we've had snow, rain, snow, clear, snow
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# [04:54] <aja> with clear=frigid+gale?
# [04:54] <jcranmer> I think my sense of temperature is whacked out
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# [04:54] <jcranmer> I think 20° feels nice
# [04:55] <jcranmer> (20°F for all of you people using another, poorly-calibrated temperature scale as a yardstick)
# [04:55] <aja> jcranmer: i know....was starting to think that's shirt-sleve weather
# [04:55] <jcranmer> maybe it's the wind
# [04:56] <jcranmer> being out in $INCESSANT_WIND_LAND means that you adjust your expectations of temperature for windchill
# [04:56] <jcranmer> so when the wind isn't there, you'd swear the temperature was several degrees higher
# [04:57] <aja> jcranmer: well....it is central ill, after all
# [04:57] <jcranmer> no windbreaks between the Rockies and the Appalachains
# [04:57] <aja> nope....corn & beans don't do the trick
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# [05:20] <@khuey> so
# [05:20] <@khuey> are emulator builds broken on try?
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# [05:22] <fabrice> khuey: mine failed after 135min ...
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# [05:24] <philor> mmm, gitmo
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# [05:25] <philor> the "upload_path = self.config['upload']['default'][upload_path_key] % replace_dict" bustage should be fixed now
# [05:25] <philor> gitmo timeouts, who knows
# [05:26] <Unfocused> gitmo? really? wow...
# [05:27] <philor> hmm, or maybe try's upload_path is a separate thing
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# [05:31] <philor> khuey / fabrice : okay, *now* it should be unbusted on try
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# [05:37] <glob> who looks after brakpad/crashdumps. i received an email from symantec asking for access to some raw dumps to help track down an issue they are having trouble reproducing
# [05:37] <glob> ?
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# [05:38] <@khuey> glob: forward it to ted?
# [05:38] <glob> khuey, k, thanks
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# [06:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f88ba0e5e3b1 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 964238 (part 1) - Remove JSStableString and StableTwoByteChars. r=terrence.
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# [07:11] <tn> philor: hmm, thats odd
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# [09:32] <soreau> It seems the errors originate from a local copy of ld and not the system one which I don't completely understand:
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# [10:17] <nl> hi guys, i've just synced to revision with description "Tagging for mozilla-central version bumps NO BUG CLOSED TREE DONTBUILD"
# [10:18] <nl> what does DONBUILD stand for ?
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# [10:18] <nl> will the built tree work fine or it won't built at all ?
# [10:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nl: its just a message for the buildbot system to push no new build for it
# [10:19] <ewong> iirc, DONTBUILD tells the builders not to build the tree.
# [10:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yep
# [10:19] <ewong> what Tomcat said
# [10:19] <ewong> Quick draw sheriff :)
# [10:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
# [10:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nl: normally for every change builds are generated like here https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [10:20] <nl> ah ok, thanks :)
# [10:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> since this was just tagging and version bump and no code change there is no need to burn maschine build time :)
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# [11:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok guys seems we are back online
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# [11:38] <ttaubert> woo
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# [11:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> at least the trees seems ok so far
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# [11:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> tn: ping
# [11:52] <tn> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hi
# [11:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi tn, just wondering could such failures like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34050204&tree=Mozilla-Inbound be related to your push ?
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# [11:55] <tn> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hmm, the same crash happend on at least four consecutive pushes before mine
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# [11:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah right
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# [12:06] <glandium> so, b2g is broken on try?
# [12:07] <glandium> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34052232&tree=Try
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# [12:21] <Gijs> Tomcat|sheriffduty: do you know if the "Australis" hooks have been removed from m-c ?
# [12:21] <Gijs> (and integration branches) ?
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# [12:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm Gijs there is still https://hg.mozilla.org/hgcustom/hghooks/file/422eb2b595dd/mozhghooks/prevent_unlabelled_australis_changes.py
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# [12:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm glandium you could try to retrigger
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# [12:32] <glazou> bonjour
# [12:32] <Ms2ger> Morning
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# [12:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm glandium seems the function to retrigger jobs is currently failing
# [12:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also on try
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# [13:46] <Yoric> felipe: Is mozapps/extensions/tests/xpcshell/test_locked.js one of yours?
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# [13:46] <Gijs> Tomcat|sheriffduty: are you sure you retriggered the OS X nightly on Aurora?
# [13:46] <Gijs> oh
# [13:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Gijs: i was but there seems to be problems with retriggering :/
# [13:47] <Gijs> :(
# [13:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bug 963720
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# [13:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> for me no retrigger of anything works
# [13:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> dustin is looking into this
# [13:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Gijs: and android nightlys are broken
# [13:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bug 967452
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# [13:49] <Gijs> :(
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# [13:49] <Gijs> so I guess Aurora won't be open for a while then?
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# [13:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah but thats relman/ryan's call i guess
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# [14:05] <Gijs> excellent :)
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# [14:35] * bbouvier sees that bugzilla contains a google analytics script :/
# [14:36] <@smaug> yes, it feels wrong
# [14:37] <glazou> nothing new though
# [14:37] <mcsmurf> why do we have it?
# [14:37] <mcsmurf> wanna track bugzilla usage? :o
# [14:37] <drs> it's part of the deal
# [14:38] <@smaug> bbouvier: it is probably also a security bug
# [14:38] <bbouvier> at least, we could use piwik, which is a free open source nice alternative, and that doesn't send these infos to google
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# [14:38] <@smaug> we seem to use google analytics also in our security bugs
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# [14:39] <bbouvier> smaug: wow, that sounds bad
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# [14:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bug 808977
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# [14:45] <felipe> Yoric: no I didn't have to touch that test
# [14:47] <felipe> if it interfaces with AddonRepository it required no changes to keep passing. But I think it's more of an AddonManager test
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# [14:48] <Yoric> Ok, thanks.
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# [14:48] <Yoric> I believe that I finally found out the issue with the test.
# [14:48] <Yoric> file.close() called synchronously
# [14:48] <Yoric> Well, called as if it were synchronous.
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# [14:59] <Yoric> felipe: \o/ est is passing
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# [15:02] <felipe> Yoric: nice!
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# [15:02] <Yoric> Two more tests to rewrite for async...
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# [15:02] <felipe> Yoric: which bug is this?
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# [15:04] <Yoric> Technically, bug 957123.
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# [15:10] <bbouvier> is there any line command tool to check whether inbound is open or closed? or a mercurial extension for that purpose?
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# [15:17] <glob> bbouvier, probably... treestatus.mozilla.org has a rest api (https://treestatus.mozilla.org/help) so it would be trivial to write one
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# [15:36] <kats> bbouvier: if you get gps' mercurial extension it has a "hg treestatus" command
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# [15:36] <kats> bbouvier: https://hg.mozilla.org/users/gszorc_mozilla.com/hgext-gecko-dev
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# [15:39] <bbouvier> kats: i just made my own script, but i prefer gps' one. Thanks!
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# [15:55] <bz> Don't we have a push hook to look for r= in commit messages?
# [15:56] <froydnj> don't think so
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# [15:58] <bz> ok
# [15:59] <froydnj> guess you could go check the repo hooks if you really wanted
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# [16:01] <RyanVM> bz: no, but it makes for entertaining situations at times when people think we do and feel compelled to add something as a result
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# [16:07] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mak: hm could https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34063164&tree=Mozilla-Inbound be related to your push ?
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# [16:08] <mak> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hard to tell, off-hand doesn't look related, but I used OS.File and that may have a relation...
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# [16:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mak: 2 identical crashes on that push says that it is to me :)
# [16:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mak: also, what's your opinion on the 3.8.3 upgrade. Do you see a pressing reason to do it right away?
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# [16:19] <mak> RyanVM|sheriffduty: didn't look at it yet, but will do shortly
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# [16:20] <mak> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, I will backout and check this crash on Try
# [16:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mak: thanks
# [16:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> x2 :)
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# [16:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> if you feel it's worth taking the update, I'll get a try run going
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# [16:22] <mak> RyanVM|sheriffduty: will let you know
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# [16:37] <mshal> jrmuizel: hey, what is the context for bug 967300? Do we need it for gfx/harfbuzz/src too?
# [16:38] <jrmuizel> mshal: we may not compile gfx/harfbuzz/src in multithreaded mode
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# [16:39] <jrmuizel> mshal: the context is basically that we turned on multithreaded support in cairo, but since we don't use cairo's configure script we never detect the intel atomics api
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# [16:43] <mshal> jrmuizel: ahh, ok - thanks!
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# [16:58] <Sylvestre> Is there any meta bug for aurora and the new version of sync ? (for the release note of aurora 29)
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# [17:05] <gps> taras_: I don't have graphite's API memorized any more. my trick was to go through the web interface and see what functions are available. once the graph updates, you can right click and copy image location and examine the URL
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# [17:26] <mshal> jrmuizel: are you able to build on linux with your patch? It fails to build cairo-base85-stream.c for me
# [17:26] <jrmuizel> mshal: hmmm
# [17:26] <jrmuizel> mshal: I hadn't tried. What error do you get?
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# [17:28] <mshal> jrmuizel: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4183035
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# [17:28] <jrmuizel> mshal: thanks I'll look into it
# [17:28] <mshal> cool, thanks
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# [17:31] <hrw> hi guys
# [17:32] <froydnj> hello hrw
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# [17:33] <hrw> froydnj: tomorrow I plan to get firefox 27 with my patches. then will update bugzilla with those which need that
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# [17:34] <hrw> fosdem sucked lot of time. and tomorrow trip to devconf.cz again takes time
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# [17:35] <jrmuizel> mshal: it turns out the cairo wants defines for SIZEOF_VOID_P, SIZEOF_INT
# [17:35] <mshal> ahh
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# [17:36] <jrmuizel> mshal: I guess autconf usually gives you these things?
# [17:36] <mshal> jrmuizel: those will depend on 32/64bit, right?
# [17:36] <jrmuizel> mshal: yeah
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# [17:37] <mshal> I'm not sure why it couldn't just use sizeof(void *) instead of generating it from configure
# [17:37] <mshal> must be some reason :)
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# [17:38] <froydnj> probably because sizeof(void*) isn't valid in preprocessor conditionals
# [17:38] <mshal> ahh
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# [17:38] <froydnj> (although you could check __LP64__ or _WIN64 or similar)
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# [17:49] <hrw> jrmuizel: put them into config.h.in?
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# [17:49] <jrmuizel> hrw: I don't know if the mozilla config.h.in makes it into the cairo build process
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# [17:50] <hrw> jrmuizel: so put into cairo config.h.in?
# [17:50] <jrmuizel> hrw: I don't think we generate config.h from a config.h.in for cairo
# [17:50] <hrw> ah, ok
# [17:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jrmuizel: how far are we from being able to kill cairo?
# [17:51] <jrmuizel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: far
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# [17:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> when did we last update it? like 2010 timeframe?
# [17:51] <jrmuizel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah
# [17:51] <jrmuizel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it should be easier to update soon
# [17:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I think pixman's been updated more recently
# [17:51] <froydnj> ekr: ping on bug 928930 review
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# [18:08] <padenot> smaug: I just saw him packing his laptop and going to the gaia meeting
# [18:08] <snorp> RyanVM|sheriffduty: is observing the leave-open whiteboard tag automated or something you look at yourself
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# [18:16] <derf> What component are we using for Persona now?
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# [18:16] <padenot> Identify ?
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# [18:17] <derf> Hah, in Core, okay. I would not have looked for it there.
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# [18:19] <givanica> hi. Does anyone know if there is any way to find out what data was set when drag operation started? I need this for Firefox ui events like dragging bookmarks, or current url. I mean, is there an easier option than finding the code ?
# [18:19] <@smaug> Enn: ^
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# [18:20] <@gavin> derf: Core::Identity is not the right place for persona-the-web-service, is that what you're asking about?
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# [18:21] <derf> gavin: It has decided my browser is unsupported.
# [18:21] <derf> Worked two weeks ago.
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# [18:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> snorp: automatic
# [18:22] <snorp> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=967101
# [18:23] <snorp> RyanVM|sheriffduty: so if you guys have opinions...
# [18:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> fwiw, our regex looks for a few common variants
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# [18:23] <snorp> really
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# [18:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://mxr.mozilla.org/webtools-central/source/tbpl/mcmerge/js/Config.js#19
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# [18:24] <snorp> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I've probably seen it a few ways
# [18:24] <derf> gavin: Unfortunately I'd already filed bug 967597 when you said that. I'm happy to move it to a better component.
# [18:24] <snorp> heh
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# [18:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> snorp: also, tbpl will need to be fixed ot look for the keyword once it's added
# [18:24] <@gavin> derf: you use SeaMonkey o_O
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# [18:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> who's volunteering to do that patch?
# [18:24] <snorp> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah
# [18:24] <derf> gavin: I do!
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# [18:24] <snorp> RyanVM|sheriffduty: nobody :)
# [18:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> snorp: fun
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# [18:25] <@bz> gps, glandium: ping
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# [18:26] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: typo, you meant "before the keyword is added"
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# [18:26] <@bz> gps, glandium: Trying to understand what https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925350 means for "mach build dom/bindings"
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# [18:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we really need a Webspeech component
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# [18:27] <gps> bz: since dom/bindings isn't in build/dumbmake-dependencies, I don't think it means much
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# [18:28] <gps> bz: we may want to introduce a special make target that ensures all codegen is up to date. or we should add that to |binaries|
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# [18:30] <@gavin> derf: you probably actually want an issue on https://github.com/mozilla/persona
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# [18:32] <derf> gavin: Ah, thanks for transferring it.
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# [18:33] <derf> Or oh, Jared transferred it.
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# [18:33] <jaws> hey
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# [18:34] <@gavin> other jared
# [18:34] <jaws> darn
# [18:34] <jaws> too many jared's now :)
# [18:34] <jaws> jareds*
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# [18:35] <jcranmer> but did he go to Jared's?
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# [18:40] <@bz> gps: I'm confused
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# [18:40] <@bz> gps: currently "mach build dom/bindings" does codegen, compiles the C++, and links XUL
# [18:41] <@bz> gps: Will the removal of dumbmake leave the behavior as-is?
# [18:41] <@bz> gps: or will it break it?
# [18:41] <gps> bz: dumbmake does not impact |mach build dom/bindings| today
# [18:41] <@bz> gps: ok
# [18:41] <ochameau> gps: thanks for the immediate review!
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# [18:41] <@bz> gps: Them I'm _really_ confused....
# [18:41] <@bz> gps: because it sure sounded like the part that links XUL there is dumbmake...
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# [18:42] <gps> bz: actually, no. dumbmake builds toolkit/library
# [18:42] <@bz> gps: we have a target for doing codegen on its own already, btw. It's called "export"
# [18:42] <gps> bz: so what you want is a convenient target to do export + binaries
# [18:42] <@bz> gps: That's different from linking libxul?
# [18:42] <@bz> gps: er... does binaries not do export right now?
# [18:43] <gps> bz: not all of it
# [18:43] <ejpbruel> bz: i have a quick question for you when available
# [18:43] <gps> it only processes file copies for things like EXPORTS
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# [18:43] <@bz> gps: I see
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# [18:43] <@bz> gps: basically, I'd like a target that allows me to change webidl files or codegen and then not have to do a full rebuild
# [18:43] <@bz> gps: and give me a build with my changes
# [18:43] <gps> bz: we can do that. file a bug. make it block the removal of dumbmake
# [18:43] <@bz> gps: right now "mach build dom/bindings" does that
# [18:43] <@bz> gps: ok
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# [18:45] <@bz> ejpbruel: what's up?
# [18:45] <@bz> gps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=967623
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# [18:45] <ejpbruel> bz: hi
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# [18:46] <ejpbruel> bz: i managed to create a XPCOM service with your directions of last week
# [18:46] <ejpbruel> bz: now im trying to create an interface for this service to implement
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# [18:46] <ejpbruel> bz: ive created an idl file, and added a XPIDL_SOURCES line to dom/workers/moz.build
# [18:46] <ejpbruel> bz: mach complains that i need a XPIDL_MODULE line, so i added that as well
# [18:47] <ejpbruel> bz: but now it complains about a syntax error with no further info
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# [18:47] <@bz> ejpbruel: "it" being mach or the xpidl compiler?
# [18:47] <ejpbruel> bz: the latter, afaict
# [18:47] <@bz> ok
# [18:47] <@bz> can I see your exact build output and your idl?
# [18:48] <ejpbruel> bz: xpidl.IDLError: error: Syntax Error at end of file. Possibly due to missing semicolon(;), braces(}) or both, None
# [18:48] <ejpbruel> bz: sure, do you also want the moz.build changes?
# [18:48] <@bz> Do you have a missing semicolon?
# [18:48] <@bz> (that's not "no further info"!)
# [18:48] <ejpbruel> bz: heh. i mean im 99% sure i did not mess up the semicolon
# [18:48] <@bz> ejpbruel: no, just the idl is good
# [18:48] <ejpbruel> bz: so that error message seems to be wrong
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# [18:49] <ejpbruel> bz: sorry, should have phrased that better
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# [18:51] <ejpbruel> bz: hold on, having some clipboard weirdness
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# [18:53] <@bz> ejpbruel: email is ok too
# [18:53] <ejpbruel> bz: heres the IDL: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4183591
# [18:53] <ejpbruel> build output coming up
# [18:53] <mak> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Yes, I think 3.8.3 is worth it
# [18:53] <ejpbruel> turns out pbcopy doesnt work in tmux :)
# [18:53] <@bz> ejpbruel: no need
# [18:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mak: ok
# [18:53] <@bz> ejpbruel: You're missing a semicolon. ;)
# [18:53] <@bz> ejpbruel: after the closing curly.
# [18:54] <@bz> ejpbruel: just like in C++ for classes and structs and all
# [18:54] <ejpbruel> bz: oh!
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# [18:54] <@bz> The 1% strike again. ;)
# [18:54] <ejpbruel> bz: see, i had assumed the error was talking about the moz.build
# [18:54] <ejpbruel> bz: i am so sorry :)
# [18:54] <@bz> ejpbruel: no, it's an error from the idl compiler, so it's talking about the idl!
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# [18:55] <@bz> Sure would be nice if it included the filename, though.
# [18:55] <ejpbruel> bz: yeah, it started to dawn on me when you asked for the idl file :)
# [18:56] <ejpbruel> bz: sorry about that :)
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# [18:59] <@bz> ejpbruel: not a problem.
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# [19:03] <mshal> jrmuizel: if you copy the AC_CHECK_SIZEOF()'s from cairo into m-c/configure.in, they should get picked up through mozilla-config.h
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# [19:03] <jrmuizel> mshal: ok thanks
# [19:03] <mshal> I dunno if that's the best way to do it though - couldn't hurt to check with glandium
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# [19:06] <@ted> anyone know how i enable the new cache?
# [19:06] <mayhemer> ted: pref name is browser.cache.use_new_backend
# [19:06] <@ted> thx
# [19:06] <mayhemer> ted: and set it to 1
# [19:07] <@ted> it's not a bool?
# [19:07] <mayhemer> no
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# [19:07] <mayhemer> but I may turn it to be soon
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# [19:07] <mayhemer> there were some other value prepared for a/b testing but it was never used
# [19:07] <mayhemer> the value was 2
# [19:07] <@ted> gotcha
# [19:08] <@bz> boooring
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# [19:08] <@bz> Should have been browser.cache.new_hotness_energize
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# [19:08] <@bz> or something
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# [19:08] <mayhemer> :)
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# [19:09] <mayhemer> yep it would be even better PR ;)
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# [19:11] <NeilAway> Persona-- for supporting Firefox rather than Gecko :-P
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# [19:17] <gabor> ejpbruel: thanks, but jsantell already volunteered
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# [19:47] <khuey> kats: ping
# [19:47] <kats> khuey: pong
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# [19:48] <khuey> kats: can you take a look at 965945?
# [19:48] <khuey> kats: smells like APZ to me
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# [19:49] <kats> khuey: it does look likely, yes
# [19:49] <kats> we fixed a similar issue in 1.2 but i have a "better fix" in mind for 1.3 which i've been working on
# [19:49] <kats> i'll comment
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# [19:50] <khuey> kats: yeah, I thought this sounded a lot like 947523
# [19:50] <kats> yeah
# [19:50] <kats> that's the one
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# [19:54] <Gijs> jmaher: re bug 967691, can you verify that bug 963105 fixed it?
# [19:55] <dorsatum> hi! i've been working on a patch and this particular portion of the code ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/6874501/ ) has some duplication, I'm not too certain as regards how it should be removed. The first thing that comes to my mind is removing lines 12 and 27. But then again, as I said i'm not too sure.
# [19:55] <Gijs> jmaher: I didn't land that so I got no 'improvement' emails
# [19:55] <jmaher> Gijs: ok, I will look
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# [19:56] <Gijs> jmaher: if not we need to look again, but I verified locally that removing the binding fixed the regression, and from what I understood from Enn, the optimizations he made should have the same effect.
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# [19:57] <jmaher> Gijs: appears to be fixed- I need more concrete data though
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# [19:57] <Gijs> jmaher: ok, phew.
# [19:57] <Gijs> jmaher: I guess "more concrete data" means retriggers?
# [19:58] <jmaher> Gijs: yes, that is fixed
# [19:58] <jmaher> let me resolve it as fixed then and link to the bug
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# [19:59] <Gijs> jmaher: awesome! Thank you for keeping a lookout for this kind of stuff. I did act on the regression emails I got, and I'm glad it worked... Is there something I neglected to do that could have saved you work/effort here?
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# [19:59] <Enn> I received a winnt6.2 3.99 decrease message today attributed to bug 963105
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# [19:59] <jmaher> Gijs: I didn't spent a lot of time on it- mostly a few retriggers and cross referencing the branches to see where the regression was introduced
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# [20:00] <jmaher> Gijs: maybe add keywords "perf, regression" and mention the test which regressed in a comment or the summary
# [20:00] <Gijs> jmaher: ah, fair point. :)
# [20:00] <jesup> Is there some reason retriggering from tbpl (on Try) doesn't result in any Pending Jobs added? a build and a Valgrind test - neither seems to be working.
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# [20:01] <Gijs> jesup: I think this was an issue earlier today that was deemed resolved... not sure if there's another one going on... RyanVM|sheriffduty ?
# [20:01] <jmaher> Gijs: I am just glad it is fixed since you took action on the regression email you received- sometimes you get a few emails and it doesn't make much sense- easy to ignore
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# [20:01] <Gijs> jmaher: I think I'm scarred for life because of the australis stuff :P
# [20:02] <@gavin> Enn: nice
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# [20:02] <jmaher> Gijs: time will heal the wounds
# [20:02] <Gijs> jmaher: well, for the sake of perf in our product, let's hope not, in this specific instance ;)
# [20:02] <jmaher> :)
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# [20:03] <jesup> My second build retrigger seems to have worked
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# [20:05] <jesup> And the second valgrind retrigger just showed up - or the first one did, Very late
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# [20:06] <myk> bdahl: i figured out how to reproduce that bug that paul experienced and filed issue 17 on it; perhaps you can take a look?
# [20:07] <Jesse> are "atoms" and "interned strings" the same thing?
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# [20:07] <bdahl> myk: yup, looking at it now
# [20:07] <yeukhon> dorsatum: are you first time contributor?
# [20:07] <myk> bdahl: excellent :-)
# [20:07] <khuey> Jesse: yes
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# [20:08] <dorsatum> yeukhon: I have submitted a few patches before.
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# [20:08] <yeukhon> dorsatum: oh okay. not that im any senior than you lol. just thought if no one can answer your question here u can leave that note on the bug and ask someone for feedback?
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# [20:10] <dorsatum> yeukhon: I'll do that, also got help in #security (bug's related there) thank you :)
# [20:10] <yeukhon> oh i see msg helped you
# [20:10] <yeukhon> :3
# [20:11] <yeukhon> *didn't notice*
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# [20:14] <dorsatum> yeukhon: nevertheless, thank you for looking it up :)
# [20:15] <yeukhon> np dorsatum
# [20:15] <bdahl> myk: with regular builds i can do ./mach debug to attach lldb at startup, do you know of a way to do this with the add-on sdk?
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# [20:19] <myk> bdahl: i think the --binary-args flag to the SDK's cfx tool (for which "make run" is just a thin wrapper) will enable you to pass "-g" to attach lldb at startup; ochameau: is that correct?
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# [20:30] <nemo> you know, it's a shame you can't specify a height and a gutter with CSS columns :-/
# [20:30] <nemo> at least, I can't find any way to do so
# [20:30] <nemo> like column-height: 50%; or column-height: 500px;
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# [20:33] <myk> bdahl: hmm, that doesn't work as i expect
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# [20:36] <myk> bdahl: ah, right, `cfx --no-run` will configure the profile and then stop right before it starts Firefox, so you can then start it yourself in lldb
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# [20:42] <myk> bdahl: so you should be able to do something like: cd addon-sdk && . bin/activate && cd ../helper && cfx run --package-path ../addon/ --no-run --binary=/path/to/Firefox.app
# [20:43] <nemo> hm. anyone enjoy looking at profiles? I have a mysterious 100% CPU thing I've been hitting on and off, and was wondering if the profile had anything illuminating
# [20:44] <nemo> for some reason closing the stack overflow tab seems to help, but not sure if that's actually the problem
# [20:44] <myk> bdahl: then massage the command provided by cfx to attach lldb at startup, something like: lldb /Applications/FirefoxNightly.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin -- -profile /var/folders/lp/8t_7y24119720_hjp5wc_4cr0000gn/T/tmp9vQMk1.mozrunner -foreground -no-remote
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# [20:44] <myk> bdahl: although that is crashing for me when i launch the process
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# [20:45] <bdahl> myk: running fine for me, with no crashes
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# [20:46] <bdahl> the device doesn't show up but, no crash
# [20:46] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: What's the status on inbound? Are you waiting for the remaining bc runs?
# [20:46] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: i'm getting ready to merge m-c back over to it and then will reopen
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# [20:47] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I see
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# [20:47] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: also, do I need approval for backouts on Aurora? I want to back out part 1 of bug 941095 that made it to Aurora yesterday
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# [20:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: meh, I wouldn't argue with a=backout
# [20:48] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, thanks
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# [20:49] <myk> bdahl: hmm, strange; what happens if you replug the device?
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# [20:49] <myk> bdahl: then try to connect, and then quit firefox?
# [20:50] <jhopkins> rstrong, vlad: you should see Windows 8 tests happen on 64-bit builds on your next Date push
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# [20:52] <bdahl> myk: no crash the first time, i get a crash now though
# [20:52] <myk> bdahl: aha; hmm
# [20:53] <josh> wonder why this video works in release (27) but not Nightly
# [20:53] <josh> https://air.mozilla.org/gecko-cycle-collector-intro/
# [20:53] <vlad> jhopkins: windows 8 tests?
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# [20:56] <jhopkins> vlad: yes, against the 64-bit builds
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# [20:57] <josh> gavin: filed bug 967733
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# [20:58] <_AtilA_> I'm getting crazy trying to put android style logs (__android_log_print) on some specific parts of Gecko..
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# [20:59] <jhopkins> vlad: re: bug 967030
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# [20:59] <_AtilA_> I did it before in TimerThread.cpp with no problems, but I'm unable to make them work on gfx code
# [20:59] <vlad> jhopkins: yeah but what do you mean by windows 8 tests?
# [20:59] <vlad> it should just be running the regular tests
# [21:00] <jhopkins> vlad: regular tests (non-talos) running on a windows 8 test slave (on physical hardware)
# [21:00] <vlad> oh yes, right
# [21:00] <vlad> sorry, I thought you meant just metro tests or something :)
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# [21:00] <jhopkins> heh
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# [21:03] <vlad> ok just did a merge and a push
# [21:03] <vlad> let's see what happens :)
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# [21:10] <Gijs> jmaher: so... I just got a ts_paint regression email for some of yesterday's commits, and that goes in the 'huh' category...
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# [21:11] <jmaher> Gijs: well, the graph for ts_paint looks scary: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[83,64,37]]&sel=none&displayrange=30&datatype=running
# [21:11] <Gijs> :|
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# [21:12] <jmaher> Gijs: let me look into it a bit and ensure it is that vs the changeset before it
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# [21:13] <Cork> if i set gfx.*.azure.backends to skia i get https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/f36a4278-344d-4a4a-9ecb-620d82140204
# [21:13] <Cork> should i block bug 740200 from the report?
# [21:14] <gw280> gps: do you deal with the b2g buildsystem as well as gecko?
# [21:15] <gw280> gps: on my dual core machine I'm seeing this madness when I run build.sh -j5 : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4184542
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# [21:18] <nemo> hm. 49% of time in WCF_flushMessageQueue() @ webconsole.js:2019
# [21:18] <nemo> 39% in layout::Flush
# [21:19] <nemo> 29% in WCF__outputMessageFromQueue() @ webconsole.js:2166
# [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> khuey: bug 967614 seems to be striking pretty hard today, any chance you or bent could take a look?
# [21:19] <nemo> (left an _ out of WCF__flushMessageQueue sorry)
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# [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> oh, away
# [21:19] <nemo> er. wait ignore that 29%. that was a reading fail
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# [21:20] <nemo> the layout flush is actually 45%
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# [21:20] <nemo> 45% layout::DoReflow
# [21:20] <nemo> soooo something about webconsole is sucking up all my CPU :(
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# [21:20] <nemo> looking at output of Browser Console, don't see anything that unusual
# [21:21] <jmaher> Gijs: so this ts_paint regression is a pgo issue
# [21:21] <@smaug> nemo: any testcase? and mention the issue in #devtools
# [21:21] <nemo> smaug: well. it has been annoyingly hard to pin down
# [21:21] <nemo> smaug: mostly, I'm browsing and I'm like... huh. 100% CPU and all my tabs are thrashing
# [21:21] <nemo> I'll slowly start closing tabs until thrashing stops
# [21:21] <nemo> s/all my tabs/entire browser/
# [21:21] <soreau> I am trying to build the browser with gtk3 on linux but it fails to link libxul.so http://hastebin.com/raw/sovifeqigu
# [21:21] <soreau> ../../build/unix/gold/ld: error: read-only segment has dynamic relocations
# [21:22] <jmaher> Gijs: and it appears to be related to something after your commit- let me do some pgo builds and retriggers
# [21:22] <nemo> smaug: it seems to stop at some point, although, reopening that tab does not necessarily cause CPU to spike again
# [21:22] <@smaug> right
# [21:22] <nemo> smaug: as noted prior, stackoverflow seemed to be doing it for me today
# [21:22] <nemo> was reading https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14922272/perl-while-file-handling in this case for a refresh as to what it does
# [21:22] <soreau> I found a bug report where users report a similar problem https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307168
# [21:23] <nemo> smaug: I can link you to those cleopatra thingies, but I have no idea if they are very informative
# [21:23] <@smaug> nemo: I could take a look
# [21:23] <@smaug> are you using gecko profiler
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# [21:23] <nemo> smaug: is there any way I can just disable the dev tools? I don't particularly need them most of the time, and, it *is* kind of annoying
# [21:23] <@smaug> or just the devtool profiler?
# [21:23] <@smaug> oh, devtools shouldn't affect to perf it they are closed
# [21:23] <nemo> smaug: Gecko Profiler yeah
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# [21:23] <nemo> smaug: oh. hm...
# [21:23] <@smaug> gecko profiler itself affects to performance
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# [21:23] <nemo> maybe I've always had 'em open?
# [21:24] <@smaug> at least when js profiling is enabled
# [21:24] <nemo> smaug: yeah. that I've noticed. setting stop seems to help
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# [21:24] <nemo> smaug: annoying thing keeps turning itself back on tho
# [21:24] <nemo> one of several annoying habits :)
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# [21:24] <@smaug> which means no js profiling
# [21:24] <nemo> smaug: it might well be that it was only happening w/ dev tools open. I'll keep an eye on that
# [21:25] <nemo> I sometimes hit ctrl-shift-k then forget to close it
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# [21:25] <@smaug> but it was Console?
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# [21:30] <Gijs> jmaher: hrm. What about the issue around jan ~22/23, was that the thing you just filed? Then I would have expected the graph to go back down when bug 963105 landed, but I don't see that on the graph...
# [21:31] <jmaher> Gijs: the previous bug was for tpaint, this is ts_paint
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# [21:31] <jmaher> Gijs: I am filing a tracking bug, it is both pgo and non-pgo- I should have it sorted out by end of day tomorrow
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# [21:32] <Gijs> jmaher: OK. Thank you for looking into this. Feel free to CC me and let me know if I can help.
# [21:32] <jwalden> jrmuizel: is there some reason why qcms must be C, and can't be C++? even if the code were a purely C API and extern "C" were used, it would be really nice to not have to worry about C restricting mfbt's APIs (or having to think about targeting two different languages when designing them)
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# [21:32] <jrmuizel> jwalden: why does qcms restrict mfbt's api?
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# [21:33] <jmaher> Gijs: I have cc'd you and when I get it narrowed down, I will needinfo? all the appropriate parties
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# [21:33] <jrmuizel> jwalden: or more specifically why are qcms and mfbt interacting?
# [21:34] <jwalden> jrmuizel: bug 957002 wants to switch qcms over to using mozilla/Endian.h instead of prtypes.h for handling endianness, but mozilla/Endian.h is a C++ header
# [21:34] <jwalden> where m/Endian.h is mfbt/Endian.h in our tree
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# [21:34] <Gijs> jmaher: OK. The tpaint issue that was solved by bug 963105 did also cause ts_paint regression alerts. The core reason was that we were instantiating a bunch of extra bindings, which were not cheap. I verified that disabling the binding fixed tpaint, and assumed (!) that that would also fix ts_paint, as it seemed plausible that they were the same issue - things that affect tpaint usually...
# [21:34] <Gijs> ...affect ts_paint as well
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# [21:35] <jrmuizel> jwalden: how does Endian determine the endianess?
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# [21:35] <Gijs> jmaher: if bug 963105 only fixed tpaint but not ts_paint (which seems very strange, but I guess is hypothetically possible) then I guess I need to look again at whether those csets did anything else that made them regress ts_paint...
# [21:35] <jwalden> jrmuizel: it's doing a bunch of ifdef stuff right now; it's more that the rest of the file defines a bunch of C++ class stuff
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# [21:36] <jrmuizel> jwalden: so it's probably easiest to just move the endian detection stuff into qcms
# [21:37] <jwalden> jrmuizel: given the size/madness of that ifdeffery, that seems unwise; http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Endian.h#82 is at least sixty lines or so
# [21:37] <jmaher> Gijs: yeah, there are a lot of common issues found between the two tests, I need to investigate it in more detail- this is starting to get into the fuzzy too much noise to decipher who is the culprit territory
# [21:38] <jrmuizel> jwalden: but it's an improvement for qcms to not have external dependencies
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# [21:38] <jwalden> bleh
# [21:38] <jwalden> we probably should just make mfbt more easily usable/buildable as a dependency, or something
# [21:38] <jrmuizel> jwalden: and qcms already has endian detection code it's just not as complete as mfbt
# [21:39] <jwalden> but I guess if you want to copypasta for now, it's sort of on your head to review updates to the macros and all :-\
# [21:39] <jrmuizel> jwalden: having to pull in all of mfbt just to detect the endianess would be insane
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# [21:39] <jwalden> jrmuizel: not much "all of", seems to me, given it's mostly a bunch of headers and little implementation
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# [21:40] <jwalden> jrmuizel: but whatever
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# [21:44] <tcaud2> Hi, I have some questions about Firefox's internals.
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# [21:45] <Gijs> tcaud2: if it's longer than 1 sentence, perhaps write it down at http://ask.mozilla.org/ and post the link here? :)
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# [21:48] <tcaud2> How are the omni jars coded? I replaced a file in one with WinRAR and it corrupted my install. Even after I removed the changes Firefox failed to load.
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# [21:49] <mcsmurf> normal zip file afaik
# [21:49] <Gijs> mcsmurf: not quite
# [21:50] <Gijs> (any more)
# [21:50] <mcsmurf> oh
# [21:50] <mcsmurf> ok
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# [21:52] <Gijs> tcaud2: it's basically zip with some changes to improve performance. There's also some caching going on in different files, so I think in some cases that kind of thing indeed broke. See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/About_omni.ja_%28formerly_omni.jar%29
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# [21:54] <fabrice> Gijs: any pointer on the perf improvement changes?
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# [21:55] <Gijs> fabrice: http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2010/09/14/firefox-4-jar-jar-jar/
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# [21:56] <tcaud2> I see.
# [21:56] <tcaud2> Also what about this webapprt stub? I've heard it's used to create standalone apps, like XULRunner?
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# [21:59] <AutomatedTester> ehsan|mtg: hey, the sheriffs aren't around at the moment and I noticed https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=b54e8c328c32 is burning
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# [22:01] <rnewman> AutomatedTester: I only see one failed build, which might be an intermittent
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# [22:01] <Gijs> tcaud2: have you looked at something like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Quickstart/Build/Intro_to_open_web_apps ? :)
# [22:02] <AutomatedTester> rnewman: might be, will retrigger
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# [22:35] <mstange> Has a bug been filed about the "Log not available" redness?
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# [22:36] <mstange> philor|away: help
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# [22:37] <catlee> mstange: a fix is already written, just needs pushing to prod now
# [22:37] <mstange> catlee: oh, good
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# [22:38] <mstange> catlee: I have all of android burning on my Aurora push
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# [22:41] * jld also just ran into the "log not available" thing.
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# [22:42] <catlee-mtg> mstange: shouldn't be causing redness, so no, don't star things with it
# [22:43] <mstange> catlee-mtg: ok... how can I find out what caused the redness?
# [22:43] <catlee-mtg> mstange: download the log manually?
# [22:43] <mstange> oh, so it does exist?
# [22:43] <mstange> good
# [22:43] <catlee-mtg> yeah
# [22:43] <mstange> indeed
# [22:44] <catlee-mtg> tbpl hardcodes ftp.m.o
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# [22:45] <AutomatedTester> mstange: android issue could be bug 967452
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# [22:48] <AutomatedTester> closing the trees until we can get releng fix into tbpl prod
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# [22:49] <bnicholson> cross-posting from #js: does anyone know why `fn instanceof Function` would return false, while `typeof fn == "function"` is true?
# [22:49] <bnicholson> snippet here: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4185242
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# [22:49] <mstange> AutomatedTester: I think that's the issue I'm seeing
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# [22:50] <mstange> AutomatedTester: wget --progress=dot:mega --tries=5 --waitretry=120 -N https://ftp-ssl.mozilla.org/.../fennec-29.0a2.en-US.android-arm-armv6.apk is the command that fails in my build
# [22:50] <mstange> AutomatedTester: https://ftp-ssl.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-aurora-android-armv6/1391542405/mozilla-aurora_tegra_android-armv6_test-crashtest-bm88-tests1-tegra-build160.txt.gz
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# [22:51] <AutomatedTester> catlee-mtg: ^ related to what aki is fixing for tbpl?
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# [22:52] <aki> mstange: your build is failing where?
# [22:52] <mstange> aki: on Aurora, android tests, second push from the top
# [22:52] <mstange> oh, first now, too
# [22:52] <mstange> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora
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# [22:54] <aki> ok
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# [22:55] <AutomatedTester> ehsan: please can you look at the build errors that have happened from your push at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=b54e8c328c32 onwards and see if they are related
# [22:56] <AutomatedTester> ehsan: tree is closed atm
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# [22:56] <khuey> the tree is always closed
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# [22:57] <AutomatedTester> not always closed
# [22:57] <AutomatedTester> its normally quite open
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# [23:02] <aki> backing out post_upload due to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=967452#c9
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# [23:04] <@ehsan> AutomatedTester: looking
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# [23:04] <@ehsan> uh oh
# [23:04] <@ehsan> yeah that's totally my fault!
# [23:05] <@ehsan> backing out
# [23:05] <AutomatedTester> ehsan: thanks!
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# [23:08] <@ehsan> AutomatedTester: done
# [23:08] <@ehsan> sorry again
# [23:08] <AutomatedTester> ehsan: awesome
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# [23:08] <mstange> aki: Will your backout fix my Aurora redness? Even the JP one?
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# [23:08] <aki> mstange: it'll require a rebuild of the build, but yes
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# [23:08] <mstange> aki: thank you
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# [23:10] <AutomatedTester> I have reopened the tree... probably prematurely but lets see
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# [23:10] <aki> AutomatedTester: the tegra tests will be broken until the backout takes effect
# [23:10] <AutomatedTester> aki: how long is that
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# [23:11] <aki> 15-30 min. i'll ask ericz if he can speed that up
# [23:11] <AutomatedTester> aki: ok, will close the trees again until this is done
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# [23:12] <AutomatedTester> trees closed until aki's change has been pushed
# [23:12] <aki> ty, and sorry
# [23:13] <aki> this is part of trying to fix the network-caused tree closures though :)
# [23:13] <AutomatedTester> aki: its all good
# [23:13] <AutomatedTester> I am happy to close the trees so that the proper sheriffs don't kill me :)
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# [23:15] <mstange> AutomatedTester: the Mac reftest failure is caused by me
# [23:15] <mstange> AutomatedTester: I don't want to back out, because what caused the failure is already a backout
# [23:16] <mstange> AutomatedTester: and the test that now fails landed while the fix was in the tree
# [23:16] <mstange> AutomatedTester: so I'd like to disable the test on Mac
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# [23:16] <AutomatedTester> mstange: ok
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# [23:18] <AutomatedTester> mstange: just waiting for aki's patch to be pushed everywhere and then we can land
# [23:18] <mstange> AutomatedTester: thanks
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# [23:19] <ericjung> beltzner: ping
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# [23:24] <aki> AutomatedTester: woot, live
# [23:24] <aki> AutomatedTester: the busted tests will need new builds
# [23:25] <AutomatedTester> right
# [23:25] <beltzner> ericjung: pong
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# [23:25] <ericjung> beltzner: tunnelbear, not foxyproxy? :(
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# [23:26] <beltzner> ericjung: foxyproxy doesn't work on my iPad, and doesn't tell me how much it will cost
# [23:26] <seth> bz: quick question re: XPIDL and WebIDL
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# [23:26] <ericjung> beltzner: the VPN service works on your ipad just fine. https://getfoxyproxy.org/proxyservice/
# [23:27] <beltzner> Have you looked at TunnelBear?
# [23:27] <ericjung> beltzner: cost is there, too, but i can give you a free account
# [23:27] <beltzner> it's one click
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# [23:27] <AutomatedTester> philor: trees closed, sorry for the mess
# [23:27] <ericjung> beltzner: yes, i have looked at them. why?
# [23:27] <seth> bz: we're talking over in #static about references between languages in DXR. one question is, are there cases where the mapping between identifiers is not 1-to-1 that we care about? do we, for example, dispatch calls to a JS function with different number arguments to different native functions?
# [23:27] <philor> AutomatedTester: heh, looks like fun!
# [23:27] <beltzner> ericjung: the experience is great; I can recommend it to anyone, and it will just work
# [23:27] <beltzner> also, $5 is cheaper than $14
# [23:28] <ericjung> beltzner: $14?
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# [23:28] <AutomatedTester> philor: ehsan's backout is the cause of the build failures, aki has backed out a releng offending patch
# [23:28] <ericjung> beltzner: the experience is quite "cutesy" but if that's your thing, that's your thing.
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# [23:28] <AutomatedTester> philor: so android needs rebuilds to do the tests again (paraphrasing aki)
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# [23:29] <aki> yeah. i could also do massaged sendchanges
# [23:29] <@gavin> ericjung: (Canadian VPN pricing for foxyproxy)
# [23:29] <@bz> seth: well, webidl has method overloading....
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# [23:29] <@bz> seth: based on both argc and argtypes
# [23:29] <AutomatedTester> philor: I am going to do some staring now
# [23:29] <AutomatedTester> philor: and sorry again for the mess :)
# [23:29] <@bz> seth: c.f. XHR.send
# [23:30] <@bz> seth: So I guess "yes"?
# [23:30] <philor> AutomatedTester: it is what it is, every day's an adventure
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# [23:31] <AutomatedTester> philor: aki's backout has landed so have done some build retriggers, when you think it is safe to reopen the trees would you mind doing it?
# [23:31] <mstange> AutomatedTester: note that the tree still won't be green until I've disabled the failing test
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# [23:31] <AutomatedTester> philor: also mstange wants to disable a mac reftest which is burning in the tree
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# [23:31] <aki> back to #releng
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# [23:32] <AutomatedTester> mstange: hadnt forgotten
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# [23:32] <mstange> I think I could do that right now on a closed tree because it's completely orthogonal to the android problems
# [23:32] <philor> AutomatedTester: I can try, this is my lunch hour, of which there are 15 more minutes, but at least I'm not on the front desk any more today, I don't think
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# [23:32] <AutomatedTester> philor: I can reopen then
# [23:33] <AutomatedTester> mstange: ok, land on a closed tree
# [23:33] <mstange> AutomatedTester: thanks!
# [23:33] <philor> AutomatedTester: no worries, I can sheriff from work, I've done it for years
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# [23:33] <AutomatedTester> just getting more tea and then will help out
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# [23:34] <mstange> AutomatedTester: pushed
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# [23:39] <philor> hmm, which is the Windows build bustage, where we timed out in startup precompile?
# [23:40] <philor> oh, I bet I know :)
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# [23:43] <philor> and whose is the Assertion failure: pres->GetContainerWeak() (SchedulePaint in a detached pres context) in indexedDB?
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# [23:44] <philor> I think I know what tests are going to be second up against the wall, when the revolution comes
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# [23:45] <AutomatedTester> philor: should I just stand in the corner and watch?
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# [23:46] <seth> bz: great, thanks for the example
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# [23:46] <philor> AutomatedTester: yeah, I've got it - simpler to wait for the backouts than to retrigger a bunch of stuff, and we'll just trip over each other if we both do stuff at once
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# [23:47] <AutomatedTester> philor: okey dokey, I will go break other things ;)
# [23:47] <gaston> gerv: hi, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode14:Brainstorming is the right page for gsoc proposals from potential mentors, right ?
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# [23:48] <philor> I might as well open b-i, little red there isn't out of place
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# [23:50] <philor> and fx-team, because I have faith
# [23:51] <philor> but not m-c just yet, because I don't have so much that it makes me insane :)
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# [23:51] <philor> back in 20
# [23:52] <AutomatedTester> ok
# [23:52] <AutomatedTester> oh hai KWierso, feeling better?
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# [23:52] * markh destroys the last remnants of faith philor has...
# [23:53] <AutomatedTester> markh: now that is evil, he didnt have much left
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# [23:53] <KWierso> AutomatedTester: my bloodstream is about 90% cold medicine at this point, but I think I'm doing well enough to stare at a screen for a few hours :)
# [23:53] <AutomatedTester> KWierso: awesome
# [23:53] <AutomatedTester> KWierso: read scrollback for what is happening atm
# [23:53] <markh> he's been living a fantasy all this time, so it's up to me to set him straight!
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# [23:59] <mcpherrin> Is firefox's "html5" parser just used on <!doctype html> documents, or is it used on "legacy" documents too?
# [23:59] <khuey> we use it on everything
# [23:59] <Hixie> there's only "html" documents now
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