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1. # Session Start: Thu Feb 06 00:00:01 2014
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <@smaug> mccr8: vlad: bug filed?
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5. # [00:00] <vlad> no; I don't really know what to file
6. # [00:00] <mccr8> nope, I just assume it was a fluke
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9. # [00:00] <vlad> though I'm pretty sure similar bugs already exist
10. # [00:00] <mccr8> I had my router turned off when I first started up the machine this morning, then I turned it on, so maybe that's relate somehow...
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13. # [00:01] <vlad> I could probably attach a debugger and see if there are any blocked necko threads
14. # [00:01] <@smaug> jduell: ^
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16. # [00:02] <mayhemer> vlad: nspr log with nsHttp:5 would be good to have
17. # [00:02] <jfkthame> Mossop, ping?
18. # [00:02] <mayhemer> vlad: (for now we have nothing better...)
19. # [00:02] <Mossop> jfkthame: pong
20. # [00:02] <jfkthame> mossop, it appears to be a font bug...
21. # [00:03] <jfkthame> specifically, the 'descent' value in the <hhea> table is positive, when it should be negative
22. # [00:03] <jfkthame> whether an application is affected will depend whether it uses those metrics or the alternative ones in the <OS/2> table (which are correctly signed)
23. # [00:03] <jduell> vlad: attaching a debugger could be useful, esp if :mcmanus is around to help (he's not right now). But :mayhemer might be of help
24. # [00:04] <jduell> vlad: it sounds like you're hit our "lame-network" state, which I haven't actually had many new reports on recently
25. # [00:04] <jduell> "good" to know it's still happening
26. # [00:04] <Mossop> jfkthame: Interesting, ok. Thanks very much, I can pass that back to them and maybe they can get the font fixed
27. # [00:04] <vlad> jduell: yeah, I remember the lame-network state :/
28. # [00:05] <jfkthame> mossop, afaics the opentype documentation is not explicit about the sign of these, but examining other fonts confirms that both ascent and descent are measured in positive-upwards coordinates, so a descent value will normally be negative
29. # [00:05] <vlad> that's why I was pretty sure that I saw bugs on it before.. maybe even filed some :)
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32. # [00:05] <jduell> vlad: you can also try this: Go to about:config and find the network.http.diagnostics pref. Open JS console and clear it. The flip pref from false to true
33. # [00:05] <jduell> makes a crude dump of http connection manager show up on the console
34. # [00:05] <jfkthame> mossop, i'm pretty sure i've seen similar bugs occasionally in the past, so probably some tools or foundries made a wrong assumption, and it only shows up in certain contexts (that they aren't testing)
35. # [00:06] <mayhemer> jduell: vlad: yes, I forgot about that!
36. # [00:06] <jfkthame> mossop, it's possible we could add some heuristics to detect an "unlikely" value and pick a different one - as fonts contain multiple, potentially-conflicting metrics fields :(
37. # [00:06] <jduell> The interesting stat is whether you've hit the 256 connection limit and all those connections are somehow wedged (like your home router has forgotten the internal/external TCP connections and never sent a RST)
38. # [00:06] <vlad> jduell: absolutely no output in the console
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40. # [00:07] <mayhemer> vlad: you have to flip the pref (off and on)
41. # [00:07] <jduell> vlad: that's.. suprising. You toggled the pref?
42. # [00:07] <vlad> I flipped the pref
43. # [00:07] <jduell> vlad: hello bitrot
44. # [00:07] <vlad> I saw *some* output right after I flipped it
45. # [00:07] <vlad> then I cleared
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47. # [00:07] <vlad> as soon as I flip it I get a dump
48. # [00:07] <mayhemer> vlad: it's under JS
49. # [00:08] <vlad> oh I see
50. # [00:08] <vlad> active conns is 1, idle conns is 1, max socket count is 542
51. # [00:08] <Mossop> jfkthame: I'm guessing it only becomes a problem in text entry fields which is probably a rare case
52. # [00:08] <mayhemer> vlad: similar to mine
53. # [00:08] <vlad> I have an outstanding request to google.com that's spinning and one to microsoft.com that's spinning
54. # [00:09] <jduell> vlad: hmm. And you can't load new tabs or refresh existing ones, despite other browsers being able to?
55. # [00:09] <vlad> to those sites
56. # [00:09] <vlad> I can load other sites fine
57. # [00:09] <jfkthame> Mossop, it results in less-than-ideal behavior with general text selection, too, if you use the font in regular html content
58. # [00:09] <jduell> Oh--that sounds like a new bug maybe
59. # [00:09] <jfkthame> Mossop, but yeah, people might not notice that so readily
60. # [00:09] <jduell> vlad: if you can keep the process in the debugger until mcmanus can go over it with you, that would be the bestest.
61. # [00:10] <vlad> I can avoid restarting :)
62. # [00:11] <bkero> dholbert: typically that is caused by consistency problems between hosts (we believe stemming from NFS). There have been similar reports on other repositories. All are fixed automatically given a bit of time. Bug 937732 should alleviate the problem.
63. # [00:11] <jduell> vlad: keeping it on ice in gdb would be even better, but I understand the inconvenience.
64. # [00:11] <dholbert> bkero, ok, cool
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66. # [00:11] <glandium> ehsan: i'd suggest to file a bug to get screenshots on failures during make package
67. # [00:11] <Mossop> jfkthame: Well maybe these guys will pass this back to whoever created it and we can get some fonts fixed
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69. # [00:11] <jduell> mayhemer: is there anything you can think of that vlad should check for in the debugger while we've got this live?
70. # [00:11] <@ehsan> glandium: good idea!
71. # [00:12] <jfkthame> Mossop, that'd be great - go for it
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73. # [00:12] <@ehsan> glandium: any idea which component?
74. # [00:12] <glandium> ehsan: good question... releng general automation?
75. # [00:12] <@ehsan> ok thanks
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77. # [00:12] <jduell> vlad: wireshark and/or info on whether your OS thinks you're connected to google/microsoft would be interesting too
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79. # [00:13] <briansmith> I remember at one point there was some limitation of FAIL_ON_WARNINGS on Windows. Does FAIL_ON_WARNINGS actually fail on warnings on Windows now by default, or are there additional things tha need to be done.
80. # [00:13] <briansmith> dholbert: ^
81. # [00:13] <mayhemer> jduell: thinking...
82. # [00:14] <@dolske> mrbkap: le pong
83. # [00:14] <mayhemer> jduell: still, the nspr log would be good, but it could be LARGE
84. # [00:14] <mrbkap> dolske: salut ! :P
85. # [00:14] <dholbert> briansmith, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=968363#c4
86. # [00:14] <mayhemer> jduell: wish backtrack was already in :((
87. # [00:14] <mrbkap> dolske: Hey, is there a browser in child processes in e10s?
88. # [00:14] <mrbkap> dolske: or does the browser live in the parent?
89. # [00:14] <dholbert> briansmith, basically: "yes", as much as any other platform. (you still have to opt into it in your mozconfig, though)
90. # [00:14] <mrbkap> dolske: I was wondering if tab-modal prompts could be done entirely in the child.
91. # [00:14] <jduell> mayhemer: well, vlad can't get the NSPR log unless he restarts, which mean the issue will probably be gone
92. # [00:14] <@dolske> mrbkap: uhhh
93. # [00:15] <briansmith> dholbert: I missed that comment. Thanks for the clear explanation.
94. # [00:15] <dholbert> briansmith, np
95. # [00:15] <@smaug> mrbkap: there is no browser
96. # [00:15] <@smaug> mrbkap: if you mean <browser>
97. # [00:15] <mayhemer> vlad, jduell: ah, ok, then please check by external program (depens on the platform)
98. # [00:15] <mayhemer> vlad: how many connections fx keeps open
99. # [00:15] <mrbkap> smaug: yeah.
100. # [00:15] <mrbkap> smaug: I just realized that was the flaw in my otherwise great plan :/
101. # [00:15] <mayhemer> vlad: on win it's netstat, I think on linux as well
102. # [00:15] <@dolske> mrbkap: well, I'm not sure about the former. but for prompts, I was assuming we'd want to have the UI in the parent, but spin the event loop in the child.
103. # [00:16] <mayhemer> vlad: then you can turn on wireshark and let it capture on port 80 and 443 only
104. # [00:16] <@dolske> which would require making some changes to the current prompt code, to add the notion of async prompts.
105. # [00:16] <mrbkap> dolske: Does it matter that much if the UI is in the parent?
106. # [00:16] <mayhemer> vlad: or 80, if you see the problem with unencrypted pages only
107. # [00:16] <@smaug> eventually we don't want to spin the event loop in the child
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110. # [00:16] <glandium> ehsan: that being said, it could be a ldflags ordering problem
111. # [00:16] <mrbkap> dolske: I was going to take evilpie's patch in bug 899648 as a base.
112. # [00:16] <vlad> trying with the microsoft msdn link
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114. # [00:17] <jduell> vlad: linux is "netstat -t" (TCP only)
115. # [00:17] <mrbkap> dolske: I was mostly wondering if it was possible to do something much simpler.
116. # [00:17] <@ehsan> hmm
117. # [00:17] <@ehsan> glandium: let me check that
118. # [00:17] <@dolske> mrbkap: hmmm, not super sure. for tab-modal http auth we'd probably not want it in the child on principle, but I don't have a strong argument either way.
119. # [00:17] <@dolske> smaug: why would you rather spin in the parent?
120. # [00:18] <@smaug> parent does spin the event loop anyway
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122. # [00:18] <glandium> ehsan: btw, you're not remove delayimp in toolkit/mozapps/update/updater/Makefile.in
123. # [00:18] <@smaug> alert() shouldn't spin even loop in the child, since alert() is sync call
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125. # [00:18] <@dolske> currently, sure, but seems like putting that in the child would help with problems arising from nested event loops.
126. # [00:18] <@smaug> it is a bug in current FF that alert() does spin event loop
127. # [00:18] <vlad> jduell: mayhemer: yup, I see an estiablished connection to msdn.microsoft.com
128. # [00:19] <@smaug> and we can't fix that bug without e10s
129. # [00:19] <vlad> port 80
130. # [00:19] <mrbkap> smaug: do sites not depend on that?
131. # [00:19] <@ehsan> glandium: oops, will fix it locally
132. # [00:19] <@smaug> well, at least not easily
133. # [00:19] <vlad> and firefox is still spinning, no load is happening
134. # [00:19] <mrbkap> smaug: (us spinning the event loop, I mean)
135. # [00:19] <vlad> now it's down to TIME_WAIT; we're still spinning in the browser
136. # [00:19] <vlad> presumably the remote end closed it
137. # [00:19] <@smaug> mrbkap: no. It is all the same. sync XHR, alert etc where we spin event loop when we shouldn't. And we have bugs open about it
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139. # [00:20] <@smaug> mrbkap: but perfectly fine to implement the first alert etc handling so that we spin event loop in child
140. # [00:20] <mayhemer> vlad: the total limit per host is some 6 conns, total limit is much more, if you see just few conns, then it's something else then a limit hit
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143. # [00:20] <@smaug> (and of course also in the parent)
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145. # [00:20] <vlad> just a few conns; we're actually making the connection
146. # [00:20] <vlad> just a few = 1 connection
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148. # [00:20] <vlad> (the one that I tried to make)
149. # [00:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/54c21f290a8d - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset a246bbc0c61c (bug 941158) for marionette bustage
150. # [00:21] <mayhemer> vlad: http://ssfnet.org/Exchange/tcp/Graphics/tcpStateDiagram1.gif - cleary already closed (gracefully) connection
151. # [00:21] <mayhemer> vlad: I think wireshark could say more
152. # [00:21] <mayhemer> vlad: any special prefs or extensinos?
153. # [00:22] <vlad> nope
154. # [00:22] <mayhemer> vlad: new cache?
155. # [00:22] <vlad> not unless it's turned on by default
156. # [00:22] <vlad> (nightly)
157. # [00:22] <jduell> vlad: I'll be curious to know if you can finally load msdn once the socket finally gets out of TIME_WAIT
158. # [00:22] <mayhemer> vlad: no, but soon (day or two) will be
159. # [00:22] <mayhemer> vlad: temporarily
160. # [00:23] <mayhemer> vlad: please use wireshark
161. # [00:23] <mayhemer> vlad: it will say what happens I think
162. # [00:23] <jduell> I suspect wireshark will show no traffic at this point. But couldn't hurt
163. # [00:24] <jduell> Would have been lovely to see what it could have said over the whole TCP socket. And would be interesting to know what state the socket transport thread thinks the socket is in
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166. # [00:24] <mayhemer> jduell: at this point it will show nothing
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168. # [00:24] <mayhemer> vlad: can you reproduce it?
169. # [00:25] <mayhemer> vlad: I assume not, you are just seeing a long time, right?
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171. # [00:25] <jduell> vlad: mayhemer: also note the TIME_WAIT happens to the side of the connection that closes first, so that's us
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177. # [00:26] <vlad> mayhemer: I can reproduce it at will
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179. # [00:26] <vlad> mayhemer: but maybe not necessarily on a new browser
180. # [00:26] <vlad> let me install wireshark
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183. # [00:28] <briansmith> jedp: ping
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185. # [00:28] <mayhemer> vlad: it's not an https connection I assume?
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189. # [00:30] <jedp> briansmith hey! otp - can i find you in 15 mins or so?
190. # [00:30] <briansmith> jedp: sure
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201. # [00:35] <vlad> mayhemer: nope, just http
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203. # [00:35] <vlad> nothing interesting in wireshark
204. # [00:36] * seth wonders why so many documents loaded in nsDocShell:DoURILoad just have garbage for a URI
205. # [00:36] <vlad> by which I mean, no data is being sent
206. # [00:36] <vlad> hmmmm
207. # [00:37] <vlad> we seem to immediately close the connection actually
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209. # [00:38] <jduell> vlad: this is after you've restarted the browser?
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213. # [00:39] <vlad> hastebin.com/yisikejefe
214. # [00:39] <vlad> no, this is in my currently broken state
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216. # [00:39] <vlad> but I run a capture, nothing shows up
217. # [00:39] <vlad> then I pate in the URL and hit enter
218. # [00:39] <vlad> and this is all that shows up
219. # [00:39] <vlad> basically we create and open the connection
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221. # [00:39] <vlad> and then it looks like we close it a few seconds after
222. # [00:39] <vlad> 5s exactly
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224. # [00:40] <mayhemer> vlad: 5 magic secs
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226. # [00:40] <vlad> I have an "atheros killer nic" in this laptop
227. # [00:40] <vlad> TCP no delay is disabled
228. # [00:40] <mayhemer> vlad: I think it's preconnected connection
229. # [00:41] <vlad> and ack frequency is set to 2
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231. # [00:41] <mayhemer> vlad: can you please try again, with a clear log in wireshark and then save and share the PCAP log from it?
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233. # [00:42] <jduell> we speculatively open connections all the time (for basically every channel, while we check the cache). We close those after 5 sec IIRC. The mystery is why it never gets used
234. # [00:42] <vlad> that is a clear log in wireshark :/
235. # [00:42] <mayhemer> vlad: but the PCAP file (you just do File/Save)
236. # [00:42] <vlad> I can give you the pcap but there's no data on these, so I don't think you'll see anything else, no?
237. # [00:42] <mayhemer> vlad: I think I could
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239. # [00:43] <vlad> sure, here: http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/misc/broken.pcap
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241. # [00:44] <vlad> note that throughout all of this, the throbber in firefox keeps spinning
242. # [00:44] <vlad> like it still thinks the connection is being made/ongoing
243. # [00:44] <jduell> mayhemer: since we've got reproducible behavior here, can we do a sort of binary search in the code steps to see where things are going wrong?
244. # [00:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94dd775ce698 - Brian Smith - Bug 921888: Fix nullptr workaround to work with clang, r=cviecco
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247. # [00:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62bc350bf158 - Brian Smith - Bug 921891, Part 1: Add insanity::pkix::Result and insanity::pkix::TrustDomain, r=keeler, r=cviecco
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250. # [00:45] <jduell> I don't know the HTTP connection code super-well, but I can try to fumble through it a bit if vlad's up for it
251. # [00:45] <mayhemer> jduell: can you be more clear?
252. # [00:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fbc2aa4d5f78 - Brian Smith - Bug 921890: Add key extraction and signature verification to insanity::pkix, r=keeler, r=cviecco
253. # [00:45] <vlad> well, I don't have source
254. # [00:45] <vlad> setting up source debugging would be difficult
255. # [00:45] <jduell> vlad: ah, right
256. # [00:45] <jduell> meh
257. # [00:45] <mayhemer> jduell: I think this is a cache problem...
258. # [00:45] <mayhemer> jduell: speculative connection is never used
259. # [00:45] <jduell> mayhemer: so cache thought it had resource but then neither delivered it nor reported an error?
260. # [00:45] <jduell> could be
261. # [00:46] <mayhemer> jduell: when we go from cache, we don't create a transaction
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263. # [00:46] <mayhemer> jduell: something like that
264. # [00:46] <mayhemer> jduell: that is one theory
265. # [00:46] <vlad> should I clear cache?
266. # [00:46] <vlad> and see if that fixes things?
267. # [00:46] <mayhemer> jduell: other is that the transaction never gets dispatched
268. # [00:46] <mayhemer> vlad: no!
269. # [00:46] <jduell> vlad: no, that'd just keep us in mystery-land
270. # [00:46] <mayhemer> vlad: :)
271. # [00:46] <vlad> not doing it!
272. # [00:46] <vlad> heh
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277. # [00:47] <jduell> mayhemer: without an NSPR log or a debugger I don't see how we figure anything out here.
278. # [00:47] <mayhemer> vlad: an idea:
279. # [00:48] <jduell> We could try going to the same URI to see what sort of hash it generates, so we can see what that file looks like on vlad's box
280. # [00:48] <mayhemer> vlad: prepare your self a window with about:config and the diagnostic pref
281. # [00:48] <mayhemer> vlad: then do your test case
282. # [00:48] <mayhemer> vlad: and in those 5 secs after you start loading the page (before the conn actually closes)
283. # [00:49] <mayhemer> vlad: flip the pref to get the diagnostic log
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285. # [00:49] <mayhemer> vlad: jduell: let's check if there is a transaction waiting
286. # [00:49] <vlad> so
287. # [00:49] <vlad> during that brief period, numIdleConns went to 3
288. # [00:49] <vlad> but I can't see the info for the third con, because the output gets truncated
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290. # [00:50] <vlad> halfway through the info for the second conn
291. # [00:50] <mayhemer> vlad: there should be ... at the bottom
292. # [00:50] <vlad> nope
293. # [00:50] <mayhemer> vlad: I'm interested in transactions more then connections
294. # [00:50] <vlad> the string is just cut off
295. # [00:50] <mayhemer> vlad: :(((
296. # [00:50] <vlad> where do I see transactions?
297. # [00:50] <mayhemer> vlad: bellow connections :/
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299. # [00:51] <vlad> yup, don't get there
300. # [00:51] <vlad> you guys should look at the code and see if this gets cut off somewhere there
301. # [00:51] <vlad> or if it's the console that's doing it
302. # [00:51] <vlad> so I have numIdleConns = 0, numActiveConns = 1
303. # [00:52] <vlad> the first one is mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com and the second is ssl.bing.com
304. # [00:52] <vlad> but I have closed all my google/gmail tabs, and my bing tab
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306. # [00:52] <mayhemer> vlad: hm... there are no transactions... something has changed since the last time I've been working with this diagnostic thing
307. # [00:52] <vlad> will these things go away? or are they just premanently going to stay in the list?
308. # [00:52] <vlad> well whatever is getting cut off
309. # [00:52] <vlad> like I get content get cut off at "pip" for one of the "pipeline per class penalty" lines
310. # [00:53] <vlad> (also this is incredibly verbose :p)
311. # [00:53] <mayhemer> vlad: you mean the console in general?
312. # [00:53] <vlad> I mean this string in the console
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315. # [00:53] <mayhemer> vlad: it clears out
316. # [00:53] <mayhemer> vlad: it says just nonsense on my local machine too... it's useless :((((
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319. # [00:56] <vlad> so it's truncated somewhre and otherwise.. not useful
320. # [00:56] <vlad> okay
321. # [00:57] <vlad> so I closed a bunch of tabs
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323. # [00:57] <vlad> that weren't fully loaded -- they were all in the post-session-restore not-loaded-until-you-click on them state
324. # [00:57] <vlad> and I was just hitting control-W which started loading the next-shown one and then I closed it
325. # [00:57] <vlad> did that for 5-6 tabs
326. # [00:57] <vlad> and now everything works
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332. # [01:01] <ejpbruel_> khuey: ping
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337. # [01:02] <mayhemer> vlad: blin... so we'll never know what it was
338. # [01:02] <mayhemer> vlad: true is that I sometime hitting this too
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341. # [01:02] <mayhemer> vlad: but I don't have ways (are in development!) to figure such cases out
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351. # [01:06] <jduell> vlad: We have failed to achieve Enlightenment. Thanks for trying!
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358. # [01:08] <vlad> Well I seem to hit it pretty often
359. # [01:08] <vlad> and I think the session restore state is part of the cause
360. # [01:09] <vlad> so if I see it again I'll try to capture some more data
361. # [01:09] <khuey> ejpbruel_: pong
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365. # [01:12] <ejpbruel_> khuey: hey, two quick questions
366. # [01:12] <ejpbruel_> khuey: you explained in your talk how we can use swapping to move COM pointers between thread
367. # [01:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f76c2e37823d - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 5: Make gstreamer use AudioCompactor. r=cpearce
368. # [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/41ddd2fd2031 - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 2: Create AudioCompactor class to minimize allocation slop. r=cpearce
369. # [01:13] <khuey> ejpbruel_: yes
370. # [01:13] <ejpbruel_> khuey: so i was wondering if the swap in DisableMemoryReporter was just a style choice, or if there is a reason behind it
371. # [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/703bf8e7c111 - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 3: AudioCompactor gtest unit tests. r=cpearce
372. # [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/daa1d43152d7 - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 7: Reduce apple mp3 MAX_AUDIO_FRAMES to minimize alloc slop. r=cpearce
373. # [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/610a841538e8 - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 4: Make OMX use AudioCompactor. r=cpearce
374. # [01:13] <ejpbruel_> khuey: because it seems to me like we could just null mMemoryReporter at the end
375. # [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66b4798ac58f - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 6: Make DirectShow use AudioCompactor. r=cpearce
376. # [01:14] <bkelly> RyanVM: thanks for the merge back to mozilla-inbound! hope you get power back soon
377. # [01:14] <RyanVM> bkelly: peco's claiming 11pm tonight :)
378. # [01:14] <RyanVM> we shall see
379. # [01:14] <khuey> ejpbruel_: it's just style I think
380. # [01:14] <RyanVM> and yw :)
381. # [01:14] <khuey> ejpbruel_: note that there's nothing cross-thread here
382. # [01:15] <ejpbruel_> khuey: exactly, hence my question. i just wanted to confirm :)
383. # [01:15] <ejpbruel_> khuey: one more question
384. # [01:15] <ejpbruel_> khuey: we should be able to use the same mutex for MemoryReporter and WorkerDebugger, right?
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386. # [01:15] <ejpbruel_> as far as i can tell, they do not interfere
387. # [01:15] <khuey> ejpbruel_: not only should you be able to, you must
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389. # [01:16] <khuey> ejpbruel_: because that mutex is also the worker private's mutex
390. # [01:16] <dholbert> Looks like https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec696ad6ff10 needs a backout for B2G bustage
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393. # [01:16] <jduell> vlad: try running with NSPR logging, so if you hit it again we'll at least have something. I.e this https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Debugging/HTTP_logging
394. # [01:16] <ejpbruel_> khuey: right, its shared between the reporter and the worker. but theres no technical reason we couldnt have a second shared mutex for the worker debugger, or is there?
395. # [01:17] <dholbert> ("error: no matching function for call to 'ArrayLengthHelper(const<anonymous struct> [10])'"
396. # [01:17] <jduell> vlad: but also include "cache:5"
397. # [01:17] <ejpbruel_> it doesnt matter much since i wasnt going to do that anyway, but im curious
398. # [01:17] <khuey> ejpbruel_: you want another SharedMutex, yes
399. # [01:17] <khuey> but it's sharing the underlying mutex with the reporter and the worker private
400. # [01:17] <ejpbruel_> khuey: right
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402. # [01:18] <ejpbruel_> then were on the same page
403. # [01:18] <ejpbruel_> khuey: thats all i had, thanks :)
404. # [01:18] <khuey> cool
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414. # [01:24] <NeilAway> dholbert: what's the source line for that?
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416. # [01:25] <dholbert> NeilAway, it's the thing KWierso|brb just backed out
417. # [01:25] <NeilAway> dholbert: no, I mean the source line
418. # [01:25] <NeilAway> dholbert: not the macro
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420. # [01:25] <dholbert> NeilAway, I don't have the log open anymore
421. # [01:25] <NeilAway> dholbert: ah
422. # [01:25] <dholbert> NeilAway, Look for red B2G builds on m-i TBPL to find it though
423. # [01:26] <NeilAway> dholbert: anyway, I bet that worked before because the b2g compiler doesn't support constexpr and so it was using the sizeof()/sizeof([0]) trick instead
424. # [01:26] <NeilAway> dholbert: which happens to work on an anonymous type
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428. # [01:27] <KWierso|sheriffduty> NeilAway: 16:02:54 ERROR - ../../../../../gecko/content/media/webaudio/blink/HRTFElevation.cpp:44: error: no matching function for call to 'ArrayLengthHelper(const<anonymous struct> [10])'
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432. # [01:29] <NeilAway> dholbert: yeah, unnamed type at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/content/media/webaudio/blink/IRC_Composite_C_R0195-incl.cpp#426
433. # [01:29] <dholbert> NeilAway, cool. I'm just the messenger; probably better to update the bug :)
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445. # [01:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b532c1989306 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 941873. Blocked AudioNodeStreams should not run processing. r=karl a=lsblakk
446. # [01:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/de63d702095e - Karl Tomlinson - b=966636 rename resampling copy variables consistently and test remaining input better r=padenot a=abillings
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448. # [01:40] <jwalden> die gcc 4.4 die die die
449. # [01:41] <khuey> so say we all
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473. # [01:54] <bfrantz> hi - can anyone point me to where ESR release notes live or if there is a bugzilla query or similar that will show me changes in given ESR releases?
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478. # [01:56] <josh> Anyone know what the rules are for DeallocShmem? Should both parent and child sides call it, or one side calls it but both sides delete the Shmem object?
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500. # [02:06] <jimb> What's the magic for getting chrome 'dump' to work in a release build?
501. # [02:07] <jimb> actually, ignore that; I've heard of Google
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503. # [02:07] <ttaubert> jimb: browser.dom.window.dump.enabled for next time
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506. # [02:08] <jimb> ttaubert: thanks, just found it. Sorry for the noise.
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509. # [02:08] <ttaubert> jimb: oh, I understood the "I've heard of Google" slightly wrong :)
510. # [02:09] <ttaubert> more as "from". whatever
511. # [02:09] <NeilAway> jimb: ITYM ask.mozilla.org ;-)
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514. # [02:12] <jimb> NeilAway: Yeah --- I answered something there today!
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518. # [02:13] <jimb> till: Okay. I can get dump output on a release build by setting browser.dom.window.dump.enabled
519. # [02:14] <till> hum
520. # [02:14] <jimb> and devtools.debugger.log
521. # [02:14] <jimb> but I was fooled for a bit by forgetting -no-remote
522. # [02:14] <till> ah, I'm an idiot and set them in separate profiles :(
523. # [02:14] <jimb> till: did you remember '-no-remote -P foo'?
524. # [02:14] <jimb> hahaha
525. # [02:14] <jimb> we're such pros
526. # [02:14] <till> :/
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530. # [02:18] <heycam> is telemetry reported in try runs?
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540. # [02:28] <bjacob> ehsan: thanks for fixing my bugs
541. # [02:28] <@ehsan> bjacob: any time :)
542. # [02:29] <@ehsan> bjacob: I actually enjoyed writing that patch
543. # [02:29] <@ehsan> feels good to write compilers after all these years ;)
544. # [02:29] <khuey> ehsan: "thanks for the review" lol
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546. # [02:29] <@ehsan> khuey: it wasn't sarcastic fwiw :)
547. # [02:30] <@ehsan> it was an honest appreciation
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551. # [02:31] <@ehsan> bjacob: if you know of any other similar generic bugs, send'em my way
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553. # [02:32] <bjacob> ehsan: will do
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555. # [02:32] <@ehsan> (I started to watch Core::IPC fwiw)
556. # [02:32] <@ehsan> all I need is more bugmail \o/
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558. # [02:33] <sfink> I have some extra that you can have
559. # [02:33] <froydnj> heycam: no
560. # [02:33] <@ehsan> sfink: links?
561. # [02:33] <heycam> froydnj, cool
562. # [02:33] <sfink> to my mailbox?
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564. # [02:33] <heycam> froydnj, you may ignore my mail to you btw!
565. # [02:33] <@ehsan> sfink: oh, thought you meant extra generic ipdl bugs ;)
566. # [02:34] * till bets Freedom Fox will enable links to local mailboxes
567. # [02:34] <@ehsan> sfink: but yeah why not, a link to your mailbox would be nice too ;)
568. # [02:34] <@ehsan> gotta make some money man!
569. # [02:34] <froydnj> heycam: I haven't even received mail from you, perhaps postini thinks you aren't important enough ;)
570. # [02:34] <heycam> froydnj, oh, could be :)
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572. # [02:35] <heycam> (t was about telemetry stuff, but I got my answer on ask.m.o)
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574. # [02:36] <sfink> ERROR - The following files failed: 'setup.sh.gcc', gcc.tar.xz'
575. # [02:36] <sfink> that's inventive list quoting
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580. # [02:38] <sfink> sure enough:
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582. # [02:38] <sfink> log.error("The following files failed: '%s'" % "', ".join(failed_files))
583. # [02:38] <sfink> tricksy
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587. # [02:40] <jgilbert> fun
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643. # [03:13] <bjacob> froydnj: land or do not land. there is no try.
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703. # [03:38] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, are we clear to reopen inbound?
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706. # [03:40] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: oh, apparently I never clicked "submit" to reopen it earlier...
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717. # [03:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3eb7ea1fb2d7 - Atte Kettunen - test for bug 952756
718. # [03:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/56f67741dbf7 - Karl Tomlinson - b=967992 test to check for ended event when source buffer is replaced with another shorter than offset
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775. # [04:10] <dholbert> What's the best way to test webkit trunk on Windows and/or Linux?
776. # [04:10] <dholbert> s/best/easiest/
777. # [04:11] <dholbert> (I used to use midori and/or chrome on linux, but now midori seems to be a bit out of date, and of course chrome is no longer webkit)
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780. # [04:14] <cabanier> dholbert: I think that would be hard
781. # [04:14] <cabanier> dholbert: you don't have access to a mac?
782. # [04:14] <dholbert> s/trunk/recent-nightly/
783. # [04:14] <dholbert> cabanier, I do, but then I have to turn it on
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785. # [04:14] <cabanier> :-)
786. # [04:14] <dholbert> cabanier, and if I'm editing a testcase [on my main machine], I can't just alt-tab+reload
787. # [04:15] <dholbert> (if I'm testing in multiple browsers at the same time)
788. # [04:15] <dholbert> It's already enough trouble to reboot my Windows machine to test IE :)
789. # [04:15] <dholbert> er "reboot my machine into Windows"
790. # [04:16] <tbsaunde> dholbert: the gnome thing epiphony?
791. # [04:16] <dholbert> tbsaunde, I'll give that a shot, yeah. I haven't used it in a while & wasn't sure if it was more up-to-date than midori
792. # [04:16] <dholbert> tbsaunde, (thanks!)
793. # [04:17] <tbsaunde> no clue
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796. # [04:18] <dholbert> every time I go to install epiphany, I *almost* get "a multi-platform clone of Boulder Dash" and then catch myself
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798. # [04:18] <dholbert> ("apt-get install epiphany" installs a game; epiphany-browser is the thing that I want)
799. # [04:18] <vlad> that sounds more fun than epiphany
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801. # [04:18] <dholbert> true
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807. # [04:25] <bz> Is there no way to link to a particular comment on github?
808. # [04:25] <bz> Ah, it's just nonobvious
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812. # [04:29] <jcranmer> like everything else on github
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889. # [05:32] <briansmith> chucklee: pong
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891. # [05:33] <chucklee> briansmith, wifi direct is merged, so I have to rebase the patch of the certifcate bugs.
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895. # [05:33] <briansmith> chucklee: OK. does that mean David didn't review the patches either yet?
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898. # [05:34] <chucklee> briansmith, You said you will review them, and david is as busy as you, so I didn't ask david for review.
899. # [05:35] <briansmith> :( OK.
900. # [05:35] <briansmith> Good news is our project is geting wrapped up now.
901. # [05:35] <chucklee> That's great new!
902. # [05:35] <chucklee> news
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904. # [05:36] <chucklee> So the reviewer can still be you?
905. # [05:36] <briansmith> Yes.
906. # [05:36] <briansmith> chucklee: when will you upload the new patches?
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911. # [05:40] <chucklee> PM 5:00 today(taiwan time)
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913. # [05:42] <chucklee> I think it's Feb 6. 9:00
914. # [05:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef6e5cfea527 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 964875 part 2. Add a static nsGlobalWindow::IsChromeWindow test function for use in Func annotations. r=peterv
915. # [05:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/97ee8ec34362 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 964875 part 1. Add a WebIDL ChromeWindow interface for use in instanceof once Window is on WebIDL bindings. r=peterv
916. # [05:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9dcc5957f89e - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 964875 part 3. Define WebIDL quickstubs for ChromeWindow. r=peterv
917. # [05:42] <chucklee> I'll finish the work by that time.
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922. # [05:44] <briansmith> chucklee: OK, great.
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926. # [05:46] <chucklee> briansmith, can you review them next week?
927. # [05:46] <briansmith> yes.
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936. # [05:53] <chucklee> briansmith, That's great, thanks!
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940. # [05:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ccd34337f7d2 - Brian Smith - Bug 923304, Part 1: Add test for OCSP response signed by CA that has an OCSP URI, r=keeler, r=briansmith, a=test-only
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965. # [06:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a35eb8ef75a1 - Monica Chew - Bug 928536: Integrate signature verification info into application reputation call in download manager (r=paolo)
966. # [06:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c388e9bc5b5 - Monica Chew - Bug 928536: Use WinVerifyTrust to get certificate information on downloaded binaries (r=paolo,keeler,sr=mossop)
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981. # [06:22] <philor> I wish "rage disable" was a figure of speech
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985. # [06:25] <mmc> is that aimed in anything in particular, philor?
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987. # [06:27] <philor> mmc: right now, it's aimed at test_bug570378-*
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989. # [06:27] <philor> which I'm going to rage disable on b2g, rather than punching someone in the face, those being the two options that will drop my blood pressure slightly
990. # [06:27] <mmc> wish i could help :(
991. # [06:28] <Unfocused> philor: you could do both
992. # [06:28] <philor> there is that :)
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995. # [06:29] <philor> fortunately, there's only something like 37 separate filenames. for persian. and another 30-some for arabic.
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997. # [06:30] <Unfocused> ouch
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1000. # [06:31] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=test_bug570378
1001. # [06:32] <philor> you can see why I got tired of filing when b2g and its 330 second kill the run timeouts came along
1002. # [06:32] * Unfocused nods
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1035. # [07:00] <briansmith> philor: I have pushed stuff to both m-a and m-b. m-a looks good, m-b is still building. I need to be afk for about 30 min. If there is any bustage, I will fix it ASAP when I return. Please don't back me out.
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1043. # [07:09] <@dbaron> So I'm getting tired of tests being randomly disabled on various platforms.
1044. # [07:09] <@dbaron> (mostly mobile-ish)
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1046. # [07:10] <@dbaron> Since I don't have the bandwidth to figure out what's going on, or who changed what to cause the failures to start happening...
1047. # [07:10] <@dbaron> I think I'm going to start randomly review-'ing patches for lack of sufficient test coverage.
1048. # [07:12] <philor> will that save us money?
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1050. # [07:12] <philor> that's all that matters, saving money
1051. # [07:13] <cpeterson> dbaron: after Tuesday's engineering meeting, blassey, gps, ctalbert, and I discussed the (defunct?) war on orange.
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1053. # [07:14] <bz> philor: hrm
1054. # [07:14] <cpeterson> dbaron: part of the problem is that some old tests don't have owners (I am told, though I would assume ownership should default to feature owner)
1055. # [07:14] <philor> markh: how on earth did you cause social browser-chrome bustage with an xpcshell patch?
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1057. # [07:14] <bz> philor: Is it just me, or is that a lot of test_preload_Actions orange on my push?
1058. # [07:15] <@dbaron> cpeterson, I think a bigger problem is that we try to find the person who wrote the test 2 years ago rather than the person who actually caused the regression last week
1059. # [07:15] <markh> given how the rest of my day has gone, nothing would surprise me. Also, WTF!
1060. # [07:15] <philor> bz: it's pretty nearly permaorange today, I'm pretending it isn't, because I saw someone retriggering looking for the start this afternoon, and they must not have found it, and I dont' want to do even more work looking for it
1061. # [07:15] <bz> philor: :(
1062. # [07:15] <bz> philor: Gotcha
1063. # [07:16] * bz at least doesn't worry about his pretty unrelated patch breaking this...
1064. # [07:16] <@dbaron> cpeterson, if something is intermittently orange this week, and wasn't last week, there was a regression
1065. # [07:16] <firebot> Check-in:
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1067. # [07:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca49b7e89881 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 968323: Declare prlog variables inside #ifdef PR_LOGGING instead of MOZ_LOGGING, in /security, to fix build failures in --disable-logging builds. r=briansmith
1068. # [07:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/98236f59f6f9 - Camilo Viecco - Bug 968491 helper-patch: Temporarily #ifdef out static function 'insertErrorIntoVerifyLog' to address Wunused-function build warning. r=briansmith
1069. # [07:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0854f873c68 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 968491: Mark security/certverifier/ as FAIL_ON_WARNINGS. r=briansmith
1070. # [07:16] <markh> philor: you mean 44bc2ee8ee7b?
1071. # [07:16] <@dbaron> cpeterson, it's been pretty common for style system mochitests to be intermittently orange for a month or so, and the start and end points tend to correspond to JIT changes more often than not
1072. # [07:16] <@dbaron> cpeterson, either that, or testing infra changes
1073. # [07:17] <markh> must be
1074. # [07:17] <philor> markh: yeah, 10.6, there and two pushes up
1075. # [07:17] <cpeterson> dbaron: gps and ctalbert discussed automatically rerunning failed tests 5x to identify which are "real" failures vs intermittent.
1076. # [07:17] <@dbaron> cpeterson, they still need to be orange if they fail intermittently
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1078. # [07:17] <philor> 5 is far too few
1079. # [07:18] <@dbaron> cpeterson, what we need are better regression-finding tools
1080. # [07:18] <philor> despite current evidence to the contrary, we can pretty much see something that suddenly fails 1-in-5
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1084. # [07:19] <cpeterson> dbaron: gps says the Chrome runs their tests in a random order and records test order to determine correlations
1085. # [07:19] <jwalden> neat
1086. # [07:20] <cpeterson> philor: "suddenly" fails 1-in-5 meaning not an "official intermittent"?
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1098. # [07:22] <cpeterson> so many of the intermittent failures are test timeouts, which often are a problems with test N-1. Google's test randomization (they save the RNG seeds) help pinpoint those N-1 test cases.
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1100. # [07:22] <@dbaron> cpeterson, test timeouts also seem to result from bad virtualization infrastructure
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1103. # [07:23] <philor> shit, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=962949 is unacceptable
1104. # [07:23] <philor> I'm closing inbound, somebody fix that bustage
1105. # [07:23] <cpeterson> dbaron: VM scheduling or clock problems?
1106. # [07:23] <@dbaron> cpeterson, well, the test timeout is based on the clock
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1108. # [07:23] <@dbaron> cpeterson, so if we don't get enough cpu per clock, reliably, we'll get random timeouts
1109. # [07:24] <@dbaron> cpeterson, if the VM infra can't guarantee a certain amount of CPU per clock, then we can't guarantee tests won't time out randomly
1110. # [07:24] <@dbaron> cpeterson, that's why we stopped running tests on VMs... what, five years ago or so?
1111. # [07:24] <WeirdAl> glandium: ping, can we talk for a bit?
1112. # [07:24] <WeirdAl> (about platform SDK in general)
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1115. # [07:25] <cpeterson> dbaron: so our current timeouts are not virtualization infrastructure problems..?
1116. # [07:25] <philor> oh, hello cache2
1117. # [07:25] <@dbaron> cpeterson, dunno
1118. # [07:26] <@dbaron> cpeterson, but it seems likely since we've started running tests on VMs again
1119. # [07:26] <philor> and of course mayhemer isn't around
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1121. # [07:26] <philor> jduell: ping
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1123. # [07:27] <markh> philor: I've no idea, but I really don't believe it was that xpcshell test, but just another new orange something else has caused - possibly e10s related
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1125. # [07:28] <cpeterson> dbaron: taras is investigating using AWS spot instances (to save much money), which could lead to more problems with test runs suddenly being killed (if another AWS customer outbids you for your VM)
1126. # [07:28] <@dbaron> philor, are you considering the 11:31 push
1127. # [07:29] <philor> dbaron: yeah, since I looked through the bug for the start of the explosion, and that's where it was
1128. # [07:29] <philor> dunno whether they don't care, and want it in despite the amount of failures it'll cause, or not, though
1129. # [07:30] <@dbaron> philor, I did some retriggers on the push before
1130. # [07:31] <philor> they'll be green
1131. # [07:31] <@dbaron> philor, you just being confident, or you have a particular reason?
1132. # [07:32] <philor> confident
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1134. # [07:32] <philor> it started to smell like goose poop when a goose walked in, I'm confident that the goose pooped
1135. # [07:32] <philor> no, it's something about quacking, isn't it?
1136. # [07:33] <@dbaron> philor, funny, I don't remember what goose poop smells like, despite having jogged along the Charles river during goose poop season
1137. # [07:33] <@dbaron> I don't even remember what season goose poop season was, though I tend to think it was cool-ish but not cold
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1141. # [07:34] <philor> like hot wet grass, like cleaning out a lawn mower when you tried to cut while it was too wet
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1143. # [07:34] <philor> not its very worst feature
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1145. # [07:35] <philor> hey, you even got some of your retriggers to run!
1146. # [07:35] * philor curses self-serve
1147. # [07:36] <@dbaron> philor, curses why?
1148. # [07:36] <philor> dbaron: it's dropping requests on the floor
1149. # [07:36] <@dbaron> philor, do they break when they hit the floor?
1150. # [07:36] <philor> which sucks if you request 50 or 60 a day, counting on them being picked up because you won't go back and check on them for hours
1151. # [07:37] <philor> they seem to sit there in a puddle
1152. # [07:37] <philor> https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/jobs, show 100, the ones with no completed at
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1154. # [07:37] <philor> what did I retrigger at 22:01:22, and did I really need it?
1155. # [07:38] <philor> could be one of the aurora things that might be real bustage from NSS, could be worthless crap like b2g, no way of knowing
1156. # [07:38] <philor> though both my aurora retriggers did get dropped
1157. # [07:39] <jduell> philor: pong
1158. # [07:40] <@dbaron> jduell, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=mochitest-1&rev=f401b820cd6a
1159. # [07:40] <@dbaron> jduell, seems likely that the test_preload_actions orange all day has been due to that commit
1160. # [07:41] <jduell> dbaron: thanks. Lemme have a quick look...
1161. # [07:43] <jduell> philor: dbaron: I'm seeing bug 962949 orange on the 2 commits before Honza's cache v2 landing, so I guess it's not that
1162. # [07:43] <jduell> Do we know when it started?
1163. # [07:44] <philor> jduell: the bug started January 22nd
1164. # [07:44] <philor> as a 4 foilures a day thing
1165. # [07:44] <jduell> philor: oh, meh.
1166. # [07:44] <philor> how many so far today?
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1169. # [07:44] <@dbaron> jduell, with probably more like one failure per push since that landing
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1174. # [07:47] <jduell> well, both the previous landings had that bug orange, so it may be something else. But I'm fine with landing a one-liner that turns off the new HTTP cache, and we can see if the orange recedes
1175. # [07:47] <jduell> We can look into it more tomorrow (or whenever Honza gets up in Prague)
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1179. # [07:48] <jduell> philor: dbaron: The one-liner is to set "browser.cache.use_new_backend_temp" in browser/app/profile/firefox.js
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1182. # [07:50] <philor> mmm, I see that https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f401b820cd6a also disabled part of another test that has failed multiple times today
1183. # [07:50] <philor> oh, no, different test in the same directory
1184. # [07:51] <jduell> philor: There's one test that the new cache perma-oranges, so they disabled it for now. This code is only meant to stay in the tree for a few days while we shake out bugs.
1185. # [07:51] <philor> multiple debugger/ failures, actually
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1187. # [07:52] * philor wonders who is going to pick them up as they are shaken out
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1190. # [07:53] <jduell> philor: well, if it's anything serious we'll turn the pref off and revert to the old cache immediately. And mayhemer is the one who'll pick them up :)
1191. # [07:53] <philor> so he's going to look at the unstarred orange, currently at 22, and figure out which are caused by it?
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1193. # [07:54] <philor> I'm maybe 75% sure about two, and 50% on two more, so good luck to him guessing
1194. # [07:54] <jduell> philor: so, to deal with this, I suggest one of 2 paths: we 1) turn off the new cache pref and see if the orange is actually caused by it
1195. # [07:54] <jduell> That's probably the best plan
1196. # [07:54] <jduell> 2) we disable test_preload_actions.js while the new cache is one for the next few days.
1197. # [07:54] <jduell> But if it's not failing because of the new cache, then we just kick the diagnosis down the road.
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1199. # [07:55] <@dbaron> jduell, seems easiest to disable by just backing out https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f401b820cd6a
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1201. # [07:55] <jduell> dbaron: sure, that'll work
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1203. # [07:56] <jduell> No wait
1204. # [07:56] <jduell> dbaron: we landed a patch after that
1205. # [07:56] <jduell> let me write the patch
1206. # [07:58] <@dbaron> jduell, so we can just back out https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/285204b60e94 as well
1207. # [07:58] <@dbaron> jduell, wouldn't want to leave the test commented out (from the first one)
1208. # [07:58] <jduell> dbaron: sure, if you back those two out, we're good.
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1210. # [07:59] <jduell> dbaron: philor: I've gotta run. Are we good?
1211. # [07:59] <@dbaron> jduell, sure
1212. # [07:59] <jduell> k, thanks
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1216. # [08:03] <@dbaron> hmm, new remote head
1217. # [08:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b04e2524e2eb - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 285204b60e94 and f401b820cd6a (bug 967693) to turn HTTP cache v2 off to investigate the effect on the influx of failed tests
1218. # [08:04] * philor nods his new remote head
1219. # [08:04] <philor> sorry, didn't know you were doing it
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1221. # [08:04] <@dbaron> it's fine
1222. # [08:06] <ewong> pardon my extreme ignorance, if VMs are problematic wrt tests (especially the clock skews), what's the point of sticking tests on VMs or even AWS? wouldn't it be more problematic that way? why not build on VMs and test on actual hardware?
1223. # [08:07] <@dbaron> ewong, we decided to do exactly that for exactly that reason a number of years ago
1224. # [08:07] <philor> then we undecided
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1228. # [08:08] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://globau.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/happy-bmo-push-day-81/
1229. # [08:08] <briansmith> thank you, philor. I'm back
1230. # [08:09] <ewong> philor by 'undecided' == changed mind?
1231. # [08:09] <philor> briansmith: so far, you're only looking suspicious, not actually busted
1232. # [08:10] <briansmith> philor: it is extremely unlikely that I had any effect on those oranges
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1234. # [08:10] <briansmith> already looked at them.
1235. # [08:10] <philor> ewong: right, we decided that the cloud would save us (money, as far as I can tell), so we're shoving everything we can into AWS as fast as we can, and then cheapening the instances we buy as fast as we can, with absolutely no way of measuring the effects
1236. # [08:10] <philor> other than the monetary effects
1237. # [08:11] <philor> I guess if we measured the number of tests we run on b2g, and the percentage of b2g suites which are hidden, we could measure some effect
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1239. # [08:11] <ewong> errr. that doesn't sound like it's good for the testing infra.
1240. # [08:11] <briansmith> philor: if there's any build bustage due to dholbert's patches to PSM, I can fix them up, if he's not around.
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1242. # [08:12] <philor> what did he break?
1243. # [08:12] <briansmith> most likely such bustage would be caused by me sneaking in new warnings right before he could enable WARNINGS_AS_ERRORS, and it would be a one-liner
1244. # [08:12] <dholbert> briansmith / philor, I'm around, but from not-really-paying-attention I think the closure is due to a networking thing
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1246. # [08:12] <briansmith> philor: I don't think he broke anything. But, his patches haven't finished building.
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1248. # [08:12] <philor> you sound like me
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1250. # [08:12] <dholbert> briansmith, ah, you're planning ahead; thought you were talking about existing bustage. thanks :)
1251. # [08:12] <philor> "you didn't break anything... YET"
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1255. # [08:13] * philor blind-stars all the b2g orange to get it out of the way
1256. # [08:13] <dholbert> briansmith, (looks like the builds have almost all gotten past the "compile" stage, given that tests have been scheduled almost everywhere, even though the builds are still gray)
1257. # [08:14] <philor> not like any of it is real
1258. # [08:14] <dholbert> (so we're likely safe. :) )
1259. # [08:14] <briansmith> good.
1260. # [08:15] <briansmith> dholbert: thanks for writing those patches. I've been meaning to turn that on for a while.
1261. # [08:15] <dholbert> briansmith, np
1262. # [08:15] * philor considers https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=966133#c10
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1264. # [08:16] <briansmith> If anybody has suggestions for a way to hook into Mercurial to prevent myself from pushing DOS/Windows newlines in my commits, I'd love to hear them.
1265. # [08:16] <philor> is there something in https://bug966133.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8370113 that I'm not seeing, or did he have the wrong thing in his clipboard for that summary change?
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1267. # [08:17] <dholbert> briansmith, add this under [extensions] in your hgrc
1268. # [08:17] <dholbert> hgext.eol =
1269. # [08:18] <bz> dholbert++
1270. # [08:18] <dholbert> briansmith, at least, I've got that, and I think that's what made my mercurial autoconvert those lines
1271. # [08:18] <briansmith> I have eol =
1272. # [08:18] <dholbert> briansmith, though be warned, that converts the whole file
1273. # [08:18] <@dbaron> philor, what causes merges *to* b2g-inbound to happen?
1274. # [08:19] <dholbert> briansmith, maybe you need 'hgext'? not sure
1275. # [08:19] <briansmith> I will try it.
1276. # [08:19] <dholbert> briansmith, er, hmm
1277. # [08:19] <dholbert> briansmith, http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/EolExtension says you should be fine
1278. # [08:19] <dholbert> as long as it's under [extensions]
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1280. # [08:19] <philor> dbaron: when things go right, they are caused by "I just finished merging all three inbounds to m-c, now I'm going to merge m-c back to all three"
1281. # [08:19] <dholbert> briansmith, maybe you added that to your .hgrc after your last dos newline addition?
1282. # [08:20] <dholbert> briansmith, (s/after/in the time since/)
1283. # [08:20] <@dbaron> philor, asking because 892630 seems to have lasted a few days longer on b2g-inbound after the m-c landing
1284. # [08:20] <@dbaron> philor, but not a big deal, I guess
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1286. # [08:20] <briansmith> I think this might do it:
1287. # [08:20] <briansmith> [eol]
1288. # [08:20] <briansmith> only-consistent = False
1289. # [08:21] <briansmith> default is only-consistent = True, which seems...unsmart.
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1292. # [08:22] <philor> dbaron: those last two are b2g emulator, those are million-monkey failures
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1294. # [08:22] <philor> so the cause of them being starred is me not being quick enough to star them as "b"
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1297. # [08:24] <philor> comment 134, it timed out jQuery probably, and failed that sessionstorage test absolutely certainly, entirely because we disabled all the dom-level* tests on every platform because nobody will own them, and that shifted tests around to different hunks, and now new things fail
1298. # [08:25] <philor> wouldn't surprise me if test_dataChannel_basicAudio.html also moved to somewhere it isn't happy
1299. # [08:25] <philor> apparently it used to be in m4
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1301. # [08:28] * philor backspaces rather a lot
1302. # [08:28] <philor> but yes, I think closing that bug and moving on would be a fine idea
1303. # [08:29] <philor> and selling b2g to Lenovo
1304. # [08:29] <markh> lol
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1313. # [08:33] <philor> markh: I think we'll have ten retriggers a platform of bc on inbound tip, not see any social failures, and blame mayhemer
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1315. # [08:33] <markh> philor: awesome!
1316. # [08:33] <markh> (for me ;)
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1319. # [08:34] <philor> and for devtools, who are otherwise going to have five new bugs
1320. # [08:34] <philor> oh good, 23:30
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1323. # [08:37] <philor> hmm, look at that, a couple of unfiled leaks which entrain a CacheObserver
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1331. # [08:51] <markh> speaking of social failures, I think I've nailed the social "blocklist" oranges
1332. # [08:51] <philor> \o/
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1334. # [08:52] <markh> "normal" addon blocklist update happening apparently :)
1335. # [08:52] <markh> while the test is running
1336. # [08:53] <philor> really? I thought we had that disabled and faked out seventeen different ways
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1340. # [08:54] <markh> TEST-INFO | chrome://mochitests/content/browser/browser/base/content/test/social/browser_blocklist.js | Console message: Blocklist::notify: Requesting
1341. # [08:54] <markh> https://addons.mozilla.org/blocklist/3/%7Bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%7D/30.0a1/Firefox/20140204145305/Linux_x86_64-gcc3/en-US/default/Linux%202.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64%20(GTK%202.18.9)/default/default/invalid/invalid/invalid/
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1345. # [08:54] <philor> well, as long as it's the triple-secret invalid invalid invalid blocklist
1346. # [08:54] <markh> no idea what that does, but it returns a blocklist, which interferes with the test also trying to simulate blocklist updates from a custom example.com URL
1347. # [08:55] <philor> so it's all Unfocused's fault, we should have known
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1349. # [08:55] <markh> s/no idea what that does/no idea if there is any test infra magic behind that/
1350. # [08:55] <markh> kiwis!
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1352. # [08:56] <Unfocused> in my defense.... i reserve the right to blame Mossop
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1357. # [08:57] <Unfocused> wait, we *do* have that disabled. AND it points to a quick-fail URL
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1359. # [09:00] <Unfocused> markh: wtf did you do to my blocklist?!
1360. # [09:01] <markh> Unfocused: is that yours? awesome :)
1361. # [09:02] <Unfocused> it is until i find time to kill it with fire
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1364. # [09:07] <gaston> jbeich: on the freebsd one, i can, but i dont see the importance of that :)
1365. # [09:07] <gaston> jbeich: they miserably fail anyway because of icu...
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1367. # [09:08] <gaston> jbeich: done on the freebsd one
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1373. # [09:15] <philor> oh, I don't like that, I don't like that at all
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1376. # [09:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ff203ccf025 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 968348: Remove some set-but-never-read variables, an inline a PR_LOGGING-only variable, to fix build warnings in security/manager/ssl/src/. r=keeler
1377. # [09:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6082884469c - Daniel Holbert - Bug 968363: Mark security/manager/ssl/src/ as FAIL_ON_WARNINGS. r=briansmith
1378. # [09:17] <philor> briansmith: between beta and aurora, you have two of the failures for which I backed out http cache v2 on inbound, did you maybe land on inbound this morning?
1379. # [09:17] <briansmith> 1min
1380. # [09:18] <briansmith> philor: I rarely do anything in the morning
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1382. # [09:18] <philor> nope, on the 3rd, that can't be
1383. # [09:19] <philor> 16:08, that's fairly early
1384. # [09:19] <briansmith> I landed some stuff this afternoon, but it is currently dead code.
1385. # [09:21] <briansmith> philor: which failure are you thinking about?
1386. # [09:22] <philor> briansmith: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34194999&tree=Mozilla-Beta#error1 and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34186239&tree=Mozilla-Inbound, but that's below rc0 on inbound
1387. # [09:23] <philor> and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34194575&tree=Mozilla-Aurora was what precipitated the backout, but it was an existing intermittent, just turned too frequent
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1395. # [09:27] <philor> i hate tests i hate tests i hate tests i hate tests
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1397. # [09:27] <philor> of course, the gods just had to give me one of the existing intermittent on my backout, to force me to defend it on prior frequency grounds
1398. # [09:28] <briansmith> it is unlikely that those tests are affected by my changes, which are SSL-related.
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1497. # [11:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/246619a27992 - Ben Turner - Bug 956218 - '(PBackground) Add a mechanism for communicating with a non-main I/O thread via thread and process links'. r=mrbkap.
1498. # [11:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1e377eee59a - Steve Workman - Bug 956218 - Make sure that all callbacks are called, r=bent.
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1507. # [11:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bent: ping :)
1508. # [11:24] <bent> Tomcat|sheriffduty, on it!
1509. # [11:25] <bent> thanks :)
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1511. # [11:26] <bent> Tomcat|sheriffduty, if that doesn't do it i'll clean it up
1512. # [11:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok cool
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1514. # [11:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ec82c51c8d5 - Ben Turner - Bug 956218 - '(PBackground) Fix silly cast issue.'
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1518. # [11:32] <grubshka> Hi there
1519. # [11:33] <grubshka> I still have my .so file size, if anyone can help
1520. # [11:33] <grubshka> I'v a C++ component that I build with Firefox (like an extension). Since Firefox 27, my library takes 6Mo on Linux and Mac, it was 60Ko before!
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1523. # [11:33] <grubshka> I had a compilation problem, so I added $(MOZ_ZLIB_LIBS) in EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS in the Makefile.in. I changed some things (Makefile.in to moz.build and some code adaptations) so I'm not sure the problem comes from Zlib...
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1536. # [11:54] <bent> Tomcat|sheriffduty, ok, backed out :-/
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1538. # [11:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/115c1eeb8247 - Ben Turner - Backout bug 956218 for link error.
1539. # [11:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bent: :( thanks
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1578. # [12:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d7c0ce1b376 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 966528 - Use a specific IPDL message for component alpha. r=mattwoodrow
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1597. # [12:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok merge time
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1615. # [13:06] <drs> does anyone know how to build only ipdl changes in dom/ipc/PBrowser.ipdl? there's some specific make command for it that I can't remember
1616. # [13:06] <Gijs> ergh
1617. # [13:06] <Gijs> we don't support nested calc() ? :(
1618. # [13:06] <drs> it's not (cd obj/dom/ipc && make)
1619. # [13:06] <Gijs> (in CSS)
1620. # [13:07] <Ms2ger> drs, unclear if we still support that
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1624. # [13:07] <drs> Ms2ger: then how do I change PBrowser incrementally?
1625. # [13:08] <drs> the only other way I can think of is to clobber the whole build, because I have things depending on the changes I made to it which are being built first and failing
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1627. # [13:09] <Unfocused> Gijs: really? huh. iirc, the spec supports that...
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1630. # [13:10] <drs> Ms2ger: nevermind, I was doing something else wrong. thanks
1631. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> Np
1632. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> Gijs, check the spec, write a test, file a bug? :)
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1634. # [13:12] <Gijs> Ms2ger: prod/comp?
1635. # [13:12] <Gijs> Core/CSS Parsing + Computation?
1636. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> Yep
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1648. # [13:22] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok merges to m-c done ..now all the way back
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1662. # [13:38] <Ms2ger> Notepad?
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1672. # [13:48] <Gijs> Ms2ger: bug 968761 ?
1673. # [13:48] <Gijs> Ms2ger: doublechecking the testcase isn't crazy is probably a good idea... I just cooked something up. :)
1674. # [13:49] <Ms2ger> Looks good, thanks :)
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1696. # [14:08] <mihaelav> hi! is it possible to handle non-browser windows opened by a browser-chrome test (e.g. by clicking on save page/open file/email link button...)?
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1719. # [14:26] <jdm> mihaelav: for save dialogs we have a mock filepicker that we can script
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1721. # [14:26] <jdm> (ie. we don't actually interact with the real dialog)
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1726. # [14:26] <Yoric> mak: What happens if we open several mozStorage connections to the same db?
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1729. # [14:28] <mihaelav> jdm: well, I need to check that the save dialog opens and then close it
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1732. # [14:28] <mihaelav> that's all the interaction I need
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1734. # [14:29] <jdm> I think you want the mock filepicker for that
1735. # [14:29] <jdm> I don't think we have any control over non-chrome windows otherwise
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1742. # [14:33] <@ted> you can certainly interact with non-browser windows in the same way that you can interact with anything
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1744. # [14:33] <@ted> i mean, you're running chrome JS
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1747. # [14:34] <@ted> if the save dialog is a native window though it's probably more of a pain
1748. # [14:34] <@ted> NeilAway: pretty sure bsmith uses visual studio
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1754. # [14:37] <Pike> Just noticed that the font for the active tab is blurry on mac. worse on retina, but also on a regular monitor, IMHO. Known bug?
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1756. # [14:37] <Pike> I didn't get updates for a while :-/
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1758. # [14:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/160e1cbe2fcf - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 967167 - Use fallible memory allocation when reading IPDL array types to make sure that we don't OOM for very large arrays; r=bent
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1766. # [14:46] <jdm> ted: right, it's almost always a native window I believe
1767. # [14:46] <jdm> that's what I meant by non-chrome
1768. # [14:46] <@ted> but i agree with your assessment: use the mock filepicker
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1773. # [14:49] <Pike> KaiRo: what does https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/6d090c2c-1a10-4eae-b9e9-927a42140206 mean?
1774. # [14:49] <Pike> I've got two of those for one crash, I think
1775. # [14:49] <mak> Yoric: hey, what do you mean by "what happens", it depends on the connections type, if they are exclusive, if they share the cache, and so on
1776. # [14:49] <mihaelav> jdm, ted: I'll try with that mock filepicker... thanks
1777. # [14:50] <Yoric> mak: Theoretically, if I had Sqlite.jsm for ChromeWorker, could I use it to read from the Places database?
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1779. # [14:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42d91a4ff0b0 - Steve Workman - Bug 956218 - Make sure that all callbacks are called, r=bent.
1780. # [14:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3530d73e8fe - Ben Turner - Bug 956218 - '(PBackground) Add a mechanism for communicating with a non-main I/O thread via thread and process links'. r=mrbkap.
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1782. # [14:50] <mak> Yoric: yes, unless the other connection doesn't set an exclusive lock you can do whatever you want
1783. # [14:50] <Yoric> Ok, thanks.
1784. # [14:50] <mak> Yoric: ehr, unless the other connection sets (too many negations)
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1786. # [14:51] <mak> Yoric: likely you should open an unshared connection to improve concurrency
1787. # [14:51] <Yoric> From the ChromeWorker?
1788. # [14:52] <mak> Yoric: yes, and in general when you have multiple connections to a db
1789. # [14:52] <Yoric> Ok, thanks.
1790. # [14:52] <mak> Yoric: (note that means each connectio will have its own cache, so may increase memory usage by a little bit, it's the usual perf/memory choice)
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1796. # [14:57] <KaiRo> Pike: it usually means you ran out of (virtual) memory
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1800. # [14:59] <KaiRo> Pike: unfortunately, all the annotations about memory are missing in that report as well so it's hard to tell
1801. # [14:59] <Yoric> mak: Is there a convenient way to use the Places database sith Sqlite.jsm?
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1805. # [15:00] <Pike> ugh
1806. # [15:00] <Pike> let's try again :-)
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1810. # [15:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eb78db8218d9 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 968479 - Remove the media.webaudio.enabled pref; r=roc
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1816. # [15:03] <Pike> oy, nice, can reproduce
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1818. # [15:03] <mak> Yoric: just open a connection to it? what's not conveniente?
1819. # [15:04] <Yoric> mak: Is that sufficient?
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1821. # [15:04] <mak> Yoric: yes...
1822. # [15:04] <Yoric> Cool, thanks.
1823. # [15:04] <Yoric> I mean, I should just provide the path to places.sqlite.
1824. # [15:04] <Yoric> Is that it?
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1826. # [15:04] <mak> Yoric: yes, just ProfD + places.sqlite
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1828. # [15:05] <Yoric> Thanks.
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1842. # [15:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm bent red again
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1844. # [15:14] <bent> bah
1845. # [15:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh i had to make sure i have no old scrollback results before i pinged you
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1847. # [15:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> its different than some hours before it seems
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1849. # [15:15] <bent> and it didn't show up before!
1850. # [15:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bent: hm in one run https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34200455&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1852. # [15:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm not on the regular windows one but on B2G Desktop Windows Opt it seems
1853. # [15:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bent: i can clobber the tree and retrigger the build if you want
1854. # [15:18] <Ms2ger> !seen BenWa
1855. # [15:18] <firebot> benwa was last seen 8 hours, 49 minutes and 44 seconds ago, changing nick to BenWa|email.
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1857. # [15:19] <bent> Tomcat|sheriffduty, i have an idea
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1859. # [15:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bent: closing the tree for you
1860. # [15:21] <bent> Tomcat|sheriffduty, nah, i'm backing out
1861. # [15:21] <bent> thanks though
1862. # [15:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok
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1864. # [15:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bent: also debug static analysis build is burning but at least the error message is more useful i guess
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1866. # [15:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d013b7f7e03 - Ben Turner - Backout bug 956218 for build error
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1868. # [15:24] <bent> Tomcat|sheriffduty, yeah, that was my idea
1869. # [15:24] <bent> will see if anything else on try goes red
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1876. # [15:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/906747ac66cc - Dan Minor - Bug 967515 - Add mozbase test files to test package; r=ted
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1883. # [15:38] <Gijs> how do I clear bzexport's reviewer cache?
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1885. # [15:39] <froydnj> w00, achievement unlocked: file bugs with consecutive numbers
1886. # [15:40] <Ms2ger> Like 660660?
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1889. # [15:40] <froydnj> no, like N and N+1
1890. # [15:40] <Ms2ger> Oh, pff :)
1891. # [15:40] <froydnj> people always seem to file bugs in the middle when I'm filing a lot of bugs
1892. # [15:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
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1906. # [15:53] <Fallen> Does someone remember how addons could be staged for install back in times of Firefox 3.5 / Thunderbird 3.1 ? I tried dumping them into $profile/extensions/staged-xpis/ but that doesn't seem to do it.
1907. # [15:54] <Fallen> ideally staged for install without a dialog popping up
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1910. # [15:56] <bagder> when I build firefox for windows and run it, where do my stderr fprintf()s go?
1911. # [15:56] <bagder> or perhaps, how should I do debug logging better
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1914. # [15:58] <jimm> bagder: if you did a debug build, the app should open a console for that
1915. # [15:58] <bagder> ah thanks
1916. # [15:59] <bagder> ETOOMANYBUILDS here =)
1917. # [15:59] <jimm> bagder: in release we don't create the console, but you can still use nspr logging, or WinUtils which dumps to OutputDebugString
1918. # [15:59] <jimm> DebugView will pick up the ods output
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1920. # [16:00] <jimm> visual studio as well
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1927. # [16:07] <bagder> thanks, I'm a windows rookie - especially in firefox land
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1936. # [16:11] <NeilAway> badger: -console also works on release builds
1937. # [16:11] <bagder> really? it just showed me an empty console
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1947. # [16:22] <bkero> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ping
1948. # [16:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkero: pong
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1950. # [16:23] <bkero> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I saw you just pushed to b2g-inbound. Everything seem usual?
1951. # [16:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b72cbfcdbfd - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 967443 - Upgrade SQLite to version 3.8.3 - Mozilla changes. r=mak
1952. # [16:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f33a4a05b6be - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 967443 - Upgrade SQLite to version 3.8.3 - SQLite changes. r=mak
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1954. # [16:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkero: yes? :)
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1956. # [16:24] <bkero> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Cool. Just asking. Gnomes working in the background and whatnot.
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1959. # [16:24] <philor> It looks like you're trying to push to b2g-inbound. Would you like some help disabling tests?
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1961. # [16:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lol
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1963. # [16:26] <bkero> Decided to enable a hook to ship repos off to hgweb hosts outside of NFS. For the future.
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1971. # [16:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bent: that ended up being a pretty orangetastic push
1972. # [16:31] <Ms2ger> Again?
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1975. # [16:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yup
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1986. # [16:39] <@ted> NeilAway: i think stderr is weird in our release builds for some reason
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2000. # [16:46] <philor> having every layout intermittent failure bug I file be rubber-stamped P5 certainly does motivate me
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2010. # [16:49] <mt> anyone seen this before? http://imgur.com/8JhIfCY It appeared after session restore on one of my tabs
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2019. # [16:53] <mak> Yoric: is there a quick way to get a file url from an OS.File path than to make a nsIFile and newFileURI it?
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2021. # [16:53] <Yoric> OS.Path.{from, to}FileURI
2022. # [16:54] <Yoric> mak: ^
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2027. # [16:54] <mak> cool
2028. # [16:54] <mak> thx
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2040. # [16:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e103b2d431d - Andrew McCreight - Bug 967931 - Remove some unused forward declarations in XBL. r=bz
2041. # [16:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de2092967a4a - Andrew McCreight - Bug 968234 - Remove trailing whitespace from nsHashtable.{h,cpp} rs=bsmedberg
2042. # [16:58] <@ehsan> khuey|away: you should make an autoresponder to all@ and everyone@
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2046. # [17:00] <padenot> Ms2ger: nobody really knows
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2052. # [17:01] <bz> ms2ger: I _think_ all@ is employees and everyone@ includes contractors?
2053. # [17:01] <bz> Or something
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2055. # [17:01] <padenot> or is it a moco vs. mofo thing ?
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2059. # [17:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: what, you're saying you don't care about flash versions on linux?!?!
2060. # [17:05] <@ehsan> I think bz is right
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2062. # [17:05] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: no, I'm saying we should invite even more people to the discussion :P
2063. # [17:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> YES!
2064. # [17:05] <@ehsan> 1000 people is clearly not enough
2065. # [17:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2785a168194e - Nathan Froyd - Bug 907812 - define kProxyType_FOO as char[] rather than char*; r=jduell
2066. # [17:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> this needs a wider audience!
2067. # [17:05] <@ehsan> \o/
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2070. # [17:06] <@ehsan> perhaps we should rename these aliases to all-1000somethingpeople@ etc to give people a pause before sending anything there
2071. # [17:06] <@ted> whole-internet@mozilla.org
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2073. # [17:06] <Ms2ger> Pull in all of mozillians
2074. # [17:06] <Ms2ger> We're used to being spammed
2075. # [17:06] <@ted> ehsan: you think people are even bothering to notice?
2076. # [17:07] <@ted> we should just figure out how to make zimbra reject email to all/everyone that isn't in the Bcc list
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2078. # [17:07] <@ehsan> ted: I don't necessarily assume malice, I think a lot of people just don't know what these aliases do
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2080. # [17:07] <@ted> i don't think it's malice either
2081. # [17:07] <@ted> but ignorance isn't going to be solved by renaming the list
2082. # [17:07] <Gijs> bz: so... what if I wanted to switch XUL over to new-style flexbox instead of -moz-box-flex
2083. # [17:07] <Gijs> bz: how big a project would that be?
2084. # [17:07] <@ehsan> ted: maybe
2085. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> How about rejecting all email to all/everyone? :)
2086. # [17:07] <Gijs> bz: and is that something you'd love or hate? :)
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2088. # [17:08] <froydnj> ted: rather, not permitted to send mail with an In-Reply-To header to all/everyone
2089. # [17:08] <Gijs> s/moz-box-flex/moz-box/
2090. # [17:08] <@ehsan> froydnj: headers! lol
2091. # [17:08] <@ehsan> (gmail)
2092. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> Or, I guess, moderate the list
2093. # [17:08] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: moderation could in fact be the key here
2094. # [17:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/82991c4302e0 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 968259 - Update mach mercurial-setup to work with new unified VCS tools repo; r=ted
2095. # [17:08] <froydnj> ehsan: gmail doesn't do headers correctly? (I guess, s/gmail/email clients/, huh?)
2096. # [17:09] <NeilAway> ted: wfm in a local opt build
2097. # [17:09] <@ehsan> froydnj: it doesn't let you see/change what it does
2098. # [17:09] <Ms2ger> And anything rejected by the moderator is automatically forwarded to the sender's manager
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2100. # [17:10] <froydnj> ehsan: how is that problematic if it already adds In-Reply-To?
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2102. # [17:10] <@ehsan> I don't think that it does
2103. # [17:10] <@ehsan> (if memory serves)
2104. # [17:10] <froydnj> ah, well, so much for that, then
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2106. # [17:11] <froydnj> anyway, moderation or strict limits on to/cc/bcc
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2108. # [17:11] <curtisk> is this the right channel to get some help flashing a Keon?
2109. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> #b2g?
2110. # [17:12] <@ehsan> bz: fwiw I did wonder why you said use [Func] in the comment 0 there ;)
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2112. # [17:12] <NeilAway> Gijs: that would be nice, but you'll probably trip over XUL oddities
2113. # [17:12] <Gijs> NeilAway: in what way?
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2116. # [17:13] <Ms2ger> ehsan, want to do the remaining LOCAL_INCLUDES?
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2118. # [17:13] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: yeah piecemeal
2119. # [17:14] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: if I get faster reviews ;)
2120. # [17:14] <NeilAway> Gijs: well, what's the result of <box width="70" style="width: 130px;">?
2121. # [17:14] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: fwiw the xul in moz.build stuff might be my next weekend hitlist
2122. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> \o/
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2126. # [17:15] <@ehsan> *if* I get fast reviews!
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2128. # [17:15] <@ehsan> which I have not so far
2129. # [17:15] <Gijs> NeilAway: what's the result now?
2130. # [17:15] <Gijs> Are there people that do that?
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2133. # [17:15] <NeilAway> Gijs: probably not those particular values :-P
2134. # [17:15] <Gijs> NeilAway: I was under the impression that those attributes mostly got translated to CSS by xul.css and friends.
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2136. # [17:15] <Gijs> NeilAway: is my impression wrong?
2137. # [17:16] <NeilAway> Gijs: some of them, yes... some of them, no
2138. # [17:16] <NeilAway> Gijs: for instace in this case a width attribute trumps a width inline style
2139. # [17:16] <NeilAway> Gijs: but on, say, an HTML image element, the width style takes precedence
2140. # [17:16] <NeilAway> inline style, that is
2141. # [17:16] <Gijs> NeilAway: OK.
2142. # [17:16] <Gijs> NeilAway: is this kind of stuff documented about XUL?
2143. # [17:17] <Gijs> and how badly would people scream if we broke it?
2144. # [17:17] <Gijs> more compat with HTML is better, as far as I'm concerned...
2145. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Quite badly, I think
2146. # [17:17] <NeilAway> Gijs: that particular example, quite badly
2147. # [17:17] <Gijs> :'(
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2149. # [17:18] <Gijs> the thing is... XUL layout's brokenness is actually interfering with front end productivity
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2152. # [17:18] <Gijs> I don't think trying to fix it makes sense
2153. # [17:18] <NeilAway> Gijs: what's broken with it this time?
2154. # [17:18] <Gijs> overflow: hidden not working
2155. # [17:18] <Gijs> and/or breaking other aspects of layout
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2157. # [17:19] <Gijs> elements' max-height influencing the height/offset of other elements in the same box
2158. # [17:19] <Gijs> having things be pushed down for reasons that nobody has been able to figure out, but move back up if you *increase* their margin-top
2159. # [17:19] <Gijs> do I need to go on? :)
2160. # [17:21] <Gijs> NeilAway: then there's things like boxes which have max/min/height set (all three) and no flex and still they somehow increase in size if you stick more text in, even if you set overflow: hidden
2161. # [17:21] <NeilAway> Gijs: well, the first one is too vague to be clear, I mean mxr says we use hidden overflow in 56 files in comm-central, and that's only themes, not content
2162. # [17:22] <Gijs> and how often do you use it for HTML? :)
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2165. # [17:22] * Gijs finds some bugs
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2167. # [17:22] <Gijs> bug 842767, bug 789414, bug 850748
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2169. # [17:23] <NeilAway> Gijs: elements in the same box default to stretching to the same height, so I can see why there might be an influence, so it's unclear why you're not expecting it, except that you were too vague again
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2171. # [17:23] <bz> Gijs: we should really try to migrate from xul to flexbox if we can....
2172. # [17:23] * NeilAway will try reading those bugs
2173. # [17:23] <Gijs> NeilAway: the container uses flex, the boxes wrap onto multiple lines.
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2175. # [17:23] <Gijs> oh, wait, the second thing
2176. # [17:24] <Gijs> no, that's another bug which you can reproduce on your nightly if you like
2177. # [17:24] * Gijs finds another bug number
2178. # [17:24] <Gijs> bug 967115
2179. # [17:24] <NeilAway> Gijs: ok, so things like using the wrong element size I can believe
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2181. # [17:24] <Gijs> bz: "if we can" sounds ominous :)
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2183. # [17:25] <Gijs> bz: the thing is, switching to HTML over XUL is a massive undertaking as far as the main bits of frontend are concerned. I was wondering if switching just the layout of the XUL elements would be easier, and if so, how much easier :)
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2187. # [17:27] <Gijs> NeilAway: regarding that last bug, it's strange that setting the max-height of #x to something that doesn't change the height of #container, influences how #b and #c are laid out: <box id="container"><box id="a"><box id="x"/></box><box id="b"/><box id="c"/></box>
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2189. # [17:28] <bz> Gijs: That's the "can" aspect, yes
2190. # [17:28] <bz> Gijs: well
2191. # [17:28] <bz> Gijs: you could just style them width the flexbox display types instead of the default ones
2192. # [17:28] <bz> Gijs: On a per-document basis, even
2193. # [17:28] <bz> Gijs: s/width/with/
2194. # [17:28] <Gijs> bz: right, I wonder how much that gets us though...
2195. # [17:28] <bz> Gijs: depends on the element
2196. # [17:28] <Gijs> bz: IME a lot of the bugs I was talking about no matter what I set display: to. :(
2197. # [17:29] <bz> Gijs: for the ones whose nsIFrame is just based on display, should get you everything. ;)
2198. # [17:29] <bz> Gijs: Do need to make sure that both the parent and the kid are styled appropriately, of course
2199. # [17:30] <bz> Gijs: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp#3983
2200. # [17:30] <bz> Gijs: the things in that list get boxes by tagname
2201. # [17:30] <bz> Gijs: everything else should be by display
2202. # [17:31] <Gijs> hrm
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2205. # [17:31] <Gijs> but then, both image and label are in there
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2209. # [17:33] <NeilAway> Gijs: I guess something is trying to resolve style on the wrong frame in those overflow bugs, as the attributes work OK (but obviously only on XUL elements)
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2215. # [17:35] <Yoric> paolo_: I'm in.
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2219. # [17:35] <Gijs> NeilAway: the attributes aren't really helpful for anon content that we don't necessarily control. :(
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2222. # [17:37] <Gijs> bz: so I guess you'd need both a bunch of default style work and you'd need to see about whittling down that list, but with the consequence that some of the whittling down would cause screaming, as I understand from NeilAway? :)
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2225. # [17:37] <bz> Gijs: hmm?
2226. # [17:37] <Gijs> bz: I guess the per-document basis would be an idea. You could have some kind of flag to say you want "flexbox-based XUL" or something
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2229. # [17:37] <bz> The "flag" could just be a stylesheet the document loads
2230. # [17:38] <bz> As a document sheet.
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2232. # [17:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/bd0b078aef3d - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 946502 - Part 3: Extend FrameLayerBuilder to set fixed-pos metadata on layers created for background-attachment:fixed content. r=mattwoodrow, a=lsblakk
2233. # [17:38] <bz> Which would then override xul.css
2234. # [17:38] <Gijs> bz: I thought the nsCSSFrameConstructor would override the display: values?
2235. # [17:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0450f3309a58 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 866222 - Just always define getInterface on the window for now, so we stop breaking people. It'll go away once we ship WebIDL window. r=peterv, a=sledru
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2238. # [17:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d5d6c5525c75 - Joel Maher - Bug 968095 - Upload a new talos.zip file. r=armenzg, a=test-only
2239. # [17:38] <bz> huh?
2240. # [17:38] <bz> The frame constructor just constructs frames
2241. # [17:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2f0cfe4a7971 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 946502 - Part 5: A ViewportFrame with a displayport on the root element needs to be an animated geometry root. r=mattwoodrow, a=lsblakk
2242. # [17:38] <bz> for some tags it does it by tag name
2243. # [17:38] <bz> for most, by display value
2244. # [17:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a3d2cf169644 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 946502 - Part 4: Remove mStickyPosFrame. r=mattwoodrow, a=lsblakk
2245. # [17:38] <bz> I'm trying to understand what behavior you're trying to produce
2246. # [17:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0ad2c85d5cd7 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 928734 - Intermittent test_419731.js | "title 2" == "new title 1". r=mano, a=test-only
2247. # [17:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/682af2ea9aac - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 946502 - Part 2: Remove unimplemented, unused function. r=mattwoodrow, a=lsblakk
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2249. # [17:39] <bz> Are you trying to give vbox/hbox flexbox styles instead of xul:box styles?
2250. # [17:39] <bz> Are you trying to make all XUL things not follow the XUL layout rules (and if so, follow which ones?)
2251. # [17:39] <bz> Something else?
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2253. # [17:40] <NeilAway> Gijs: for that container one, you've got x with a max-height of 16, then a and container have larger heights (because of margins/borders/padding), but somehow b and c are getting the original max-height of 16 again?
2254. # [17:40] <Gijs> bz: I think at this point my understanding of what I'd want to do is based on a very vague concept of what I want the outcome to be ("less sucky layout") which isn't helpful in terms of specifics, but let me try to answer that question
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2256. # [17:41] <Gijs> bz: Yes, vbox/hbox should probably be using flexbox instead of xul:box
2257. # [17:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d813ac5f8e2d - Gregory Szorc - Bug 875562 - Part 4: Add Support for crash event files to CrashManager; r=Yoric
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2261. # [17:41] <NeilAway> bz: on an unrelated note, why do we need webidl for chrome window?
2262. # [17:41] <bz> Gijs: ok, that's totally doable with a stylesheet
2263. # [17:41] <bz> NeilAway: I'm not sure I follow
2264. # [17:41] <bz> NeilAway: why do we not?
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2267. # [17:42] <NeilAway> bz: well, it's not used by content
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2269. # [17:42] <bz> NeilAway: so?
2270. # [17:42] <Gijs> bz: but yes, also, having the layout of XUL elements be based on the layout we use for HTML (be it flexbox or just display: block/inline-block/whatever) instead of the magical thing it is now.
2271. # [17:42] <bz> NeilAway: It's a Window
2272. # [17:42] <bz> NeilAway: which is defined in webidl
2273. # [17:42] <bz> NeilAway: We don't want to support multiple kinds of window objects, because it complicates and slows down the code
2274. # [17:43] <bz> NeilAway: and also, if you want .document to not suck on your chrome window perf wise, it needs to be webidl...
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2276. # [17:43] <bz> NeilAway: In general, I think we should be moving to having pretty much anything that's touched from JS use WebIDL if we can
2277. # [17:43] <Gijs> bz: I think in the last part I am too vague on the specifics. As far as I understand, the major thing that XUL had over HTML back in the day was flexible layouts. But HTML does those now. So naively speaking, it seems to me like it should be possible to have XUL be laid out in the same manner as HTML
2278. # [17:43] <bz> NeilAway: But certainly anything that's using WebIDL things like event targets and whatnot
2279. # [17:44] <bz> Gijs: "yes"
2280. # [17:44] <Gijs> :)
2281. # [17:44] <bz> Gijs: but the xul flexible layout is totally different from the html one, as you noticed.
2282. # [17:44] <bz> Gijs: and some existing stuff is totally relying on the differences
2283. # [17:44] <bz> Gijs: so we can't just flip the switch on XUL by default or something
2284. # [17:44] <Gijs> bz: right.
2285. # [17:45] <bz> Gijs: (to switch it to flexbox)
2286. # [17:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c669ccc6e055 - Jacek Caban - Bug 944905 - Fix char16_t/wchar_t mismatch in xpcom/ r=bsmedberg
2287. # [17:45] <bz> Gijs: so that leaves us doing it a bit at a time....
2288. # [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc823ce7f913 - Jacek Caban - Bug 859751 - Don't use DOS encoding for popup-aero.css.
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2290. # [17:45] <Gijs> bz: right, which is sucky to a certain degree because especially when doing it a bit at a time the benefits are limited.
2291. # [17:45] <bz> well, "bit" would ideally be "document"
2292. # [17:46] <bz> but the problem is the main browser UI
2293. # [17:46] <Gijs> Right :)
2294. # [17:46] <bz> which is a single really suckily large document
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2296. # [17:46] <Gijs> Right :)
2297. # [17:46] <bz> You _might_ be able to get some mileage with scoped stylesheets... ;)
2298. # [17:46] <Gijs> Like, as far as conversion is concerned, I think most of our other content could be converted
2299. # [17:46] <Gijs> like, in-content stuff or separate windows like prefs or page info or whatever
2300. # [17:46] * bz wonders what the perf is like there
2301. # [17:46] <Gijs> no idea :)
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2303. # [17:47] <Gijs> bz: to be clear, is this still talking about vbox->html-style-flexbox, or also about the more general aspect of this?
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2305. # [17:48] <NeilAway> bz: sorry, I'm not following, .document isn't on nsIDOMChromeWindow
2306. # [17:48] <NeilAway> Gijs: note the * { display: -moz-box; } in xul.css
2307. # [17:48] <bz> NeilAway: it's on the window object
2308. # [17:49] <bz> NeilAway: Is your window object going to be a webidl object or an XPConnect object?
2309. # [17:49] <bz> NeilAway: right now it's the latter
2310. # [17:49] <bz> NeilAway: We would like to switch it to the former
2311. # [17:49] <bz> NeilAway: making sense so far?
2312. # [17:49] <Gijs> NeilAway: sure, but AIUI from what bz was saying, even if you override that in CSS, for some XUL elements, layout will still construct a different type of frame. Did I misunderstand?
2313. # [17:49] <NeilAway> bz: you mean either-or?
2314. # [17:49] <bz> Gijs: So far just about the styles
2315. # [17:49] <Gijs> bz: OK.
2316. # [17:49] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
2317. # [17:49] <bz> NeilAway: I meant, which one of those two will it be?
2318. # [17:49] <NeilAway> Gijs: ah, I wondered why you picked on vbox
2319. # [17:50] <ttaubert> Yoric: pong?
2320. # [17:50] <bz> Gijs: We could try to move away from by-tag stuff
2321. # [17:50] <bz> Gijs: or make it construct non-xul-box frame types
2322. # [17:50] <Yoric> ttaubert: Can you update https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Async-Responsive ?
2323. # [17:50] <NeilAway> bz: sorry, it wasn't clear that is was either-or
2324. # [17:50] <bz> Gijs: but that could have compat pain (e.g. for <image>)
2325. # [17:50] <NeilAway> *it
2326. # [17:50] <Gijs> bz: right.
2327. # [17:50] <ttaubert> Yoric: yes but not right now
2328. # [17:50] <bz> NeilAway: Of course it is
2329. # [17:50] <bz> NeilAway: They have totally different prototype setups, etc.
2330. # [17:50] <ttaubert> Yoric: I'll do it later today
2331. # [17:50] <Yoric> ttaubert: paolo claims that we have a Platform Performance meeting today, so it would be nice if you could do this before 8pm
2332. # [17:51] <froydnj> Yoric: 8pm? plenty of time! :p
2333. # [17:51] <Yoric> :)
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2335. # [17:51] <Gijs> bz: if we wanted a compat switch for those bits, how would that be opted into? Could you do that kind of thing with an attribute on the root node, or is that not workable?
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2337. # [17:51] <NeilAway> bz: so all the stuff that used to be hidden behind QueryInterface has to turn into [ChromeOnly]?
2338. # [17:51] <bz> NeilAway: yes
2339. # [17:51] <ttaubert> Yoric: I'll try. we're out for dinner soon so no promises
2340. # [17:51] <bz> NeilAway: exactly
2341. # [17:52] <Yoric> ttaubert: Ok.
2342. # [17:52] <NeilAway> bz: ok, I think I understand thanks
2343. # [17:52] <bz> NeilAway: In practice, that's just getInterface, afaict
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2345. # [17:52] <Yoric> ttaubert: Can you just add one sentence?
2346. # [17:52] <bz> NeilAway: Plus QueryInterface itself.
2347. # [17:52] <bz> Gijs: That would be doable, yes
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2349. # [17:52] <bz> Gijs: you could do attr on root node, attr on node itself, combination of the two, whatever
2350. # [17:53] <bz> Gijs: as long as the information can be derived given the node and its style
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2352. # [17:53] <bz> Gijs: (and of course given the node you can find the root node)
2353. # [17:53] <NeilAway> bz: so is this call a no-op because editor is already chromeonly in the webidl: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/widgets/textbox.xml#92
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2356. # [17:54] <rnewman> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I just raced you to the second in landing that patch -- thanks for taking care of it!
2357. # [17:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> rnewman: np
2358. # [17:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c743811fb269 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 875562 - Part 5: Document crash events for initial implementation; r=bsmedberg
2359. # [17:55] <bz> NeilAway: QueryInterface on WebIDL objects to an interface they support is a no-op, so ye
2360. # [17:55] <bz> er, yes
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2362. # [17:56] <Gijs> bz: right. And the trickier question... I guess if we do this with an opt-in flag, we're effectively creating a 'third' way of behaviour besides XUL and HTML, which would be XUL-as-HTML. Is that terrible? :)
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2364. # [17:56] <bz> Gijs: Depends. ;)
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2367. # [17:57] <bz> Gijs: it's more or less a cheap way of creating XUL-namespace aliases for HTML tags for layout purposes, right?
2368. # [17:57] <bz> Gijs: Seems ok to me.
2369. # [17:57] <bz> Gijs: Some things, like <image> might be hard to do that way
2370. # [17:57] <bz> Gijs: in that it would be easier to change to html:img
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2373. # [17:58] <NeilAway> bz: ah, so I should file a bug on that obsolete call really
2374. # [17:58] <Gijs> bz: interesting. I guess we could change XBL bindings to just use that instead...
2375. # [17:59] <Gijs> I wonder if the frankenstein we create that way will actually solve issues :) / :(
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2377. # [18:01] <bz> Gijs: always a good question
2378. # [18:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c56da36e185c - Wes Johnston - Bug 959230 - Use DOMWindowCreated events to add payments listeners. r=mfinkle, a=sledru
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2380. # [18:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9eaff8e0448d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 4 changesets (bug 946502) for bustage. a=backout
2381. # [18:02] <Gijs> bz: like, perf is better on HTML than XUL, I'm pretty sure
2382. # [18:02] <Gijs> but other than that...
2383. # [18:02] <Gijs> (and then again, how much of that is XBL bindings and stuff, which we're not tackling this way)
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2389. # [18:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7abb50d91618 - Viktor Stanchev - Bug 962325 - Add filename to profiler I/O markers. r=bgirard
2390. # [18:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4c91d9262f1 - Viktor Stanchev - Bug 965373 - When the profiler stops it doesn't stop the EventTracer thread; r=bgirard
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2394. # [18:06] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bwc1: fwiw, we generally don't ignore ASAN failures on TBPL :)
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2399. # [18:07] <bwc1> RyanVM: Sure, I was just wondering if there was any more data to be had.
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2401. # [18:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we try to put as much info in the bug as we can
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2403. # [18:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so the log link is all we've got
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2419. # [18:14] <froydnj> nbp: onlinedisassembler.com is very slick!
2420. # [18:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3579b7bd49e - Ralph Giles - Bug 966311 - Calculate frame size for stereo wave. r=doublec
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2423. # [18:15] <@ted> that's fancy
2424. # [18:16] <@ted> i've wanted to tie a disassembler into our crash reports for a long time
2425. # [18:16] <@ted> wonder if we could use their stuff
2426. # [18:16] <bz> froydnj: huh
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2428. # [18:16] <bz> froydnj: iiinteresting. ;)
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2431. # [18:17] <nbp> nbp: I don't remember who show that to me the first time. but the UI is really nice, but I don't think they are openning their sources.
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2433. # [18:18] <nbp> froydnj: ^, which is why I suggested using emscripten.
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2435. # [18:18] <nbp> froydnj: and we can find other disassembler to export in JS such as in objdump / gdb / v8 …
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2437. # [18:19] <@ted> nbp: that'd be sweet
2438. # [18:19] <@ted> nbp: i started writing an x86 disassembler in JS a few years ago
2439. # [18:19] <@ted> but it's tedious
2440. # [18:19] <@ted> http://luser.github.io/disasmx86-demo/
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2445. # [18:20] <@ted> objdump-in-JS would be slick
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2448. # [18:21] <froydnj> surely somebody has emscripten'd llvm's (or even binutils's) disassembler by now
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2452. # [18:21] <froydnj> given the vast # of architectures, I think ODA already has done binutils
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2469. # [18:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> BenWa: inbound bustage
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2472. # [18:27] <@ted> froydnj: are they doing it in JS though, or just running binutils on a server?
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2481. # [18:29] <nbp> ted, at least there is some network activity when you update the hex.
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2483. # [18:29] <nbp> ted: they might just do it on a server, but I do not see any reason why we could not do it in JS.
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2486. # [18:30] <@ted> sure
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2495. # [18:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6a16178f4c08 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 7abb50d91618 (bug 962325) for bustage.
2496. # [18:32] <mhoye> Does Mozilla have any involvement in GSOC this year?
2497. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> Yes
2498. # [18:33] <ejpbruel_> ?/names
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2500. # [18:33] <ejpbruel_> bz: can I have a [scriptable] IDL interface where certain methods are non-scriptable?
2501. # [18:33] <froydnj> ejpbruel_: yes
2502. # [18:33] <froydnj> ejpbruel_: mark them as [noscript]
2503. # [18:34] <ejpbruel_> froydnj: awesome, thank you
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2520. # [18:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f81160e35839 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 967414 - Enable DataStore API in B2G for certified apps only by default, r=bz
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2525. # [18:51] <mib_8sxwf4> is there any bugs available to be fixed in java?
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2531. # [18:53] <paul> mib_8sxwf4: http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/?java=1 I encourage you to go to #introduction
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2543. # [18:58] * bjacob just had a horrible thought about IPDL security, and would like to run it by someone who knows IPDL well
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2545. # [18:59] <bjacob> bent: ehsan: ^ ?
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2550. # [19:02] <therube_agone> Bas: are you 'Schouten' ?
2551. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> Yes
2552. # [19:03] <therube_agone> i see you're listed on Bug 651857 - (azure) [Azure] Implement new 2D graphics API
2553. # [19:03] <therube_agone> is Bug 966662 - Memory usage increase with Firefox 26 compared to earlier, something you may have an interest in?
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2555. # [19:04] <@ehsan> bjacob: interview, will be with you in 45 mins
2556. # [19:04] <bjacob> ehsan: ok
2557. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Bas, ping
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2559. # [19:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ec2f0199218 - Dan Minor - Bug 967467 - Jit-test basic\bug698584.js timesout on Windows XP test machines for debug builds; r=terrence
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2569. # [19:08] <@ted> dmajor: how much of your daily work involves installing malware and other undesirables? :)
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2587. # [19:15] <bkelly> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks! I was not aware of that whiteboard tag
2588. # [19:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's somewhat arbitrary :P
2589. # [19:15] <bkelly> heh
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2592. # [19:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> you could just use the checkin-needed keyword too, but the whiteboard at least indicates where goes
2593. # [19:15] <bkelly> RyanVM|sheriffduty: how did PECO do?
2594. # [19:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I just look for checkin-needed on the whiteboard
2595. # [19:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I'm home :)
2596. # [19:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it was actually back earlier than expected
2597. # [19:16] <bkelly> awesome! its amazing how much no power sucks...
2598. # [19:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah
2599. # [19:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> had a plan for today if needed, but glad it wasn't necessary
2600. # [19:16] <dmajor> ted: quite a lot :P
2601. # [19:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we actually had some powerless friends over today so they could at least shower and have coffee
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2604. # [19:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> rnewman: for the new sync, I run Aurora on my phone
2605. # [19:18] <bkelly> nice... do they have estimates for how long they will be without power?
2606. # [19:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> should I wait for Aurora nightlies to start going out before I try it out?
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2608. # [19:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: PECO is giving a blanket estimate of Sunday @ 11pm for everyone now
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2610. # [19:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> still over 400,000 affected in the region
2611. # [19:18] <bkelly> wow
2612. # [19:18] <shu> oh boy, PECO
2613. # [19:18] <bz_away> RyanVM|sheriffduty: How common is it for people's heat to still work with no power? :(
2614. # [19:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz_away: ?
2615. # [19:19] <shu> i haven't heard that name since high school
2616. # [19:19] <bz_away> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Around here, if power goes out while it's cold, that starts to suck _really_ fast
2617. # [19:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah, indeed
2618. # [19:19] <bz_away> RyanVM|sheriffduty: even if the heat is not electric the ignition tends to be...
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2620. # [19:19] * bz_away has been considering getting a small generator basically to run the sump pump and heating system, in case....
2621. # [19:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I've considered that too
2622. # [19:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> shu: spent some time in PA did you? :)
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2624. # [19:20] <bz_away> considering getting a small generator basically to run the sump
2625. # [19:20] <bz_away> +pump and heating system, in case....
2626. # [19:20] <bz_away> <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I've considered that too
2627. # [19:20] <bz_away> er..
2628. # [19:20] <bkelly> bz_away: I think its hard to keep enough fuel on hand for long outages unless you have a natural gas one, isn't it?
2629. # [19:20] <bz_away> RyanVM|sheriffduty: In any case, congrats
2630. # [19:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz_away: the friends we had over this morning got their power back now too, but they had a standing offer to stay here tonight with us if need-be
2631. # [19:21] <bkelly> although I guess gas shortages are not a problem except in really extreme weather events
2632. # [19:21] <bz_away> bkelly: well, a sump pump and oil burner ignition don't exactly take that much power....
2633. # [19:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bkelly: there's been a lot of stories about propane shortages all winter
2634. # [19:21] * bz_away has totally not looked into the practicalities of generators
2635. # [19:22] <bz_away> I _have_ looked into batteries, and powering a pump off those is not so easy.
2636. # [19:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> at least the fridge isn't really an issue with a winter power outage
2637. # [19:22] <bkelly> bz_away: I just remember people talking about the issues when the hurricane rolled through new jersey and new york previously
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2640. # [19:23] <bz_away> Sure
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2642. # [19:23] <bz_away> if you're talking weeks then you're in trouble...
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2644. # [19:23] <bz_away> RyanVM|sheriffduty: True, though the freezer can still be, depending
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2650. # [19:24] <bz_away> anyway
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2653. # [19:25] <shu> RyanVM|sheriffduty: grew up in delaware
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2655. # [19:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> shu: ah, nice
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2660. # [19:27] <therube_agone> even with gas, the fans & other parts of the furnace are still electric... even a gas stove typically have electric "strikes", though can still be lite with a match. i believe i was ~45 F last night, this morn.
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2664. # [19:29] <therube_agone> actually the refrigerator is too. with an extended outage, you'd be better gathering up snow & putting the contents in that as the refrigerator will have much higher temp in short order.
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2671. # [19:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/197880d71d9d - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 968643 - Part 2: Remove the [PrefControlled] WebIDL annotation; r=bzbarsky
2672. # [19:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/20a329b254ae - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 968643 - Part 1: Stop using [PrefControlled]; r=bzbarsky
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2675. # [19:32] <@ehsan|mtg> bjacob: I'm here now
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2680. # [19:33] <rnewman> RyanVM|sheriffduty: my personal recommendation is to hold off for your main profile
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2682. # [19:34] <rnewman> RyanVM|sheriffduty: give it a couple of weeks for all the kinks to work out
2683. # [19:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> rnewman: wfm
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2685. # [19:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> rnewman: yeah, I'm nightly on my computer and aurora on my phone
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2687. # [19:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> easier to revert a dud build on the computer vs. the phone :)
2688. # [19:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/08ed6306fb7e - Honza Bambas - Bug 968860 - Disable test_cache2-07-visit-memory.js on Android 2.2 Armv6, r=jduell
2689. # [19:35] <bjacob> ehsan: querying you
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2698. # [19:39] <ckerschb> in a mochitest, is there an easy way to access the displayed icon left to the address bar? (e.g. the grey triangle)? I tried |gBrowser.securityUI.state| but that gives me the wrong information in my testcase! any ideas?
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2704. # [19:43] <kats> overholt: any word on if the builds in that folder are the per-commit builds we're looking for?
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2706. # [19:43] <overholt> kats, no, catlee's still in TRIBE
2707. # [19:43] <kats> ok
2708. # [19:43] <overholt> kats, I figure we can look through a bunch of directories or just wait for his answer :)
2709. # [19:44] <overholt> kats, and then we unleash the loop over commits ;)
2710. # [19:44] <kats> overholt: well i don't want to start pointing QA to that folder if it turns out it's something else
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2712. # [19:44] <overholt> kats, yep
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2727. # [19:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e7b7825f65dd - Myk Melez - bug 967218 - interpret result of NativeApp:IsDebuggable as string; r=mfinkle
2728. # [19:53] <dmajor> reftest/reftest/chrome/reftest/content/reftest.js
2729. # [19:53] <dmajor> you know, just in case you're not sure what kind of test it is
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2731. # [19:54] <Ms2ger> dmajor, still wrong, it isn't a test :)
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2734. # [19:54] <dmajor> Ms2ger: can we ignore my try failure on it then? :P
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2753. # [20:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9bb6f487c55f - Daniel Holbert - Bug 968634: Fix broken inequality comparison in SpeechRecognition.cpp. r=ggp
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2757. # [20:04] <Ms2ger> Woop: http://hearsum.ca/blog/experiments-with-smaller-pools-of-build-machines/
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2761. # [20:05] <botond> romaxa: ping
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2789. # [20:13] <bkero> gps: ping
2790. # [20:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a620ff8ac4a - Maciek - Bug 950107 - Support ALL_PROXY in bootstraper; r=gps
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2793. # [20:15] <shu> hm, the "My Dashboard" page on BMO is popping up a "IO request failed : undefined" window
2794. # [20:16] <gps> bkero: pong
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2797. # [20:16] <bkero> gps: Hey. I'm testing the repo-syncing hook (for hg without NFS) and I'm running into a bunch of repository corruption during pulls. 'hg verify' shows corruption back to rev 1. ANy clue if this is related to the bug you filed upstream? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4205757
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2800. # [20:17] <gps> bkero: are our production repos corrupted?
2801. # [20:18] <gps> if you are pulling from nfs as part of the hook, I wouldn't be surprised if you encounter the NFS syncing issue with much higher frequency
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2803. # [20:18] <bkero> gps: No, production repos are not corrupted.
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2810. # [20:18] <bkero> The corruption is on the new mirror
2811. # [20:18] <gps> I would definitely enable [server] verify=True on the mirrors
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2815. # [20:19] <gps> sorry - server.validate = True
2816. # [20:19] <gps> see bug 963778
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2818. # [20:19] <bkero> I'm considering if mount -o remount,sync on the hgssh server would be advisable
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2837. # [20:19] <bkero> gps: These are inline with commits, how long does the validate take to run? N times?
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2841. # [20:20] <gps> bkero: validate validates the *entire* repo. it will take minutes on mozilla-central
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2843. # [20:20] <bkero> Oof
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2845. # [20:20] <gps> server.validate = True effectively validates when changesets are introduced. we should enable it
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2852. # [20:20] <bkero> Validates during checkin, or pull?
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2854. # [20:21] <gps> those are both the same thing to Mercurial :)
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2858. # [20:21] <gps> bkero: read http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2014/02/05/the-mercurial-revlog/
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2861. # [20:21] <gps> pay attention to anything talking about bundles. server.validate applies when bundles are applied to a repo
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2863. # [20:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b74966f80da - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 944800 - Move the information about delay loaded DLLs into moz.build; r=gps
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2865. # [20:22] <bkero> gps: I'm not sure we can afford the several minute validation for each checkin/pull though
2866. # [20:22] <gps> that's both when a client pushes them over the wire (server does validate) and when a client pulls from the server (client does validate)
2867. # [20:22] <bkero> Since these operations are happening several times per minute
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2869. # [20:22] <gps> bkero: hg verify takes minutes
2870. # [20:22] <gps> server.validate = True makes adding new changesets maybe 2x slower
2871. # [20:22] <gps> wait - not that much
2872. # [20:22] <gps> it's proportional to the size of the bundle
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2874. # [20:23] <gps> you won't notice on most pushes/pulls
2875. # [20:23] <gps> i'll throw out 10% slower
2876. # [20:23] <bkero> and what's the behavior if a validation fails?
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2879. # [20:23] <gps> the transaction is rolled back
2880. # [20:23] <gps> the repo is not corrupted
2881. # [20:23] <gps> try again later and it should hopefully work
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2885. # [20:23] <bkero> That's happening anyway
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2887. # [20:24] <gps> bkero: it's happening on subsequent unbundle operations
2888. # [20:24] <gps> the repo gets corrupted on a bad unbundle and this is detected on a subsequent operation
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2890. # [20:24] <bkero> gps: I'll see about deploying server.validate, however right now I'm interested in fixing the actual repository corruption issues.
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2892. # [20:25] <gps> bkero: if we are pulling from nfs, you need server.validate or you are playing with fire
2893. # [20:25] <bkero> gps: server.validate is not going to fix this problem
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2895. # [20:25] <gps> moving off nfs should fix the problem
2896. # [20:26] <gps> we should have server.validate anyway because it employs active corruption detection
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2898. # [20:26] <bkero> Nobody is disagreeing, but we're not at a point yet where we can implement it.
2899. # [20:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mayhemer: is there a particular reason you're landing all those patches on m-c directly?
2900. # [20:26] * RyanVM|sheriffduty doesn't think a test disabling really requires that
2901. # [20:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and as much as I love kicking off a full set of builds and tests for an android test disabling...
2902. # [20:27] <mayhemer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: not for the last one.. but it has zero influence on non-cache2 enabled tree
2903. # [20:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> then please don't
2904. # [20:27] <mayhemer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: what is the concern? merging afterwards?
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2906. # [20:27] <mayhemer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: OK
2907. # [20:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and on the off chance your push burns something, I'd rather it not be mainline m-c
2908. # [20:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that people expect to be reliable
2909. # [20:28] <mayhemer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I know, this is a small chance... and it might used DONT BUILD too.. your are right :/
2910. # [20:28] <mayhemer> change
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2913. # [20:31] <dmajor> ehsan: ping
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2915. # [20:33] <gps> bkero: if you want to get on vidyo, i'll happily brain dump
2916. # [20:33] <bkero> gps: I've got some things I need to do at the moment. 2PM PST?
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2922. # [20:35] <gps> bkero: i can do 2. got a meeting at 2:30. just ping me
2923. # [20:35] <bkero> Ok
2924. # [20:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cff3bc2d1538 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 967215 - Fix fix_macosx_stack.py. r=njn DONTBUILD
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2933. # [20:41] <@ehsan> dmajor: hi
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2936. # [20:42] <NeilAway> bz_away: I don't suppose there's a better way of doing http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/widgets/findbar.xml#973 is there?
2937. # [20:42] <dmajor> ehsan: actually... hold that thought. I need to do some more digging and I'll reping :)
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2960. # [20:51] <@ehsan> dmajor: fine by me ;)
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2968. # [20:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4b5aac253d2 - Steve Workman - Bug 444328 - Add support for TCP keepalive in the Socket Transport Service r=mcmanus
2969. # [20:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82b1710a243f - Steve Workman - Bug 444328 - Enable TCP Keepalive for short and long-lived HTTP Connections (exc. SPDY, WebSockets) r=mcmanus
2970. # [20:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4c04bfa359e4 - Steve Workman - Bug 444328 - Suppress spurious warnings in PRFileDescAutoLock constructor r=mcmanus
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2974. # [20:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e0a7e0c91246 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 968281 - pull helper function out of HasAttributeDependentStyle; r=bz
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2977. # [20:58] <carlsonp> Does anyone have a link to basic stats on Firefox development, I have some stats that I saved before (15 years, 4000 developers, 22 million LOC) but I can't seem to find the actual web-page citation...
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2981. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> 22 million?
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2984. # [21:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e3eaecb7992 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 958642 - MozActivity must fire an error when the selected app is killed, r=fabrice
2985. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> 10M is the figure I've got in my head
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2988. # [21:00] <carlsonp> yeah, it might be a bit off
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2990. # [21:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/be8ad29ffc69 - Alex Henrie - Bug 968029 - Use unprefixed box-sizing in content/, dom/, layout/, and widget/. r=dbaron
2991. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6960aec45b20 - Alex Henrie - Bug 968029 - Use unprefixed box-sizing in browser/ and toolkit/. r=dao
2992. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb87577b5221 - Viktor Stanchev - Bug 965837 - Add bool support to mozilla::Atomic. r=froydnj
2993. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> For whatever that's worth, https://www.ohloh.net/p/mozilla claims 13M
2994. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36459508cdac - Alex Henrie - Bug 968029 - Use unprefixed box-sizing in browser/extensions/pdfjs/. r=bdahl
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2996. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/799c9a7716ef - Andreas Tolfsen - Bug 941158 - Honour expected failures in setUp or tearDown. r=jgriffin
2997. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fbc5502870bb - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 968883 - Don't expose the ArchiveReader and ArchiveRequest interfaces. r=bz
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2999. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b95c9499474 - Alex Henrie - Bug 968029 - Use unprefixed box-sizing in mobile/android/. r=mfinkle
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3001. # [21:02] <carlsonp> Ms2ger, ahh thanks, forgot about ohloh
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3010. # [21:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a012aba17f19 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 968879 - Use [Pref] annotations to enable web speech interfaces; r=smaug
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3015. # [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: inbound bustage
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3018. # [21:09] <@ehsan> dammi
3019. # [21:09] <@ehsan> dammit, eve
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3021. # [21:09] <kats> lol
3022. # [21:09] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: so the file in question is removed by a thing I just pushed ;)
3023. # [21:10] <@ehsan> should we just wait?
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3025. # [21:10] <@ehsan> kats: stop laughing at my fat fingers! ;)
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3027. # [21:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: wfm
3028. # [21:10] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a012aba17f19 is the commit
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3030. # [21:10] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks!
3031. # [21:11] <@ehsan> I starred those two reds
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3035. # [21:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: I still think Webspeech deserves its own bmo component
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3039. # [21:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> especially due to the aforementioned "gets filed under random categories" issue
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3051. # [21:15] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah... I'm ambivalent
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3053. # [21:15] <@ehsan> I don't hack on this code much
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3060. # [21:21] <efaust> froydnj: we need to talk
3061. # [21:21] <efaust> 968995 will ruin my day
3062. # [21:21] <efaust> several of my days, in fact
3063. # [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> no really zimbra, I love that you now put up a dialog box every time I want to delete a message
3064. # [21:21] * froydnj looks
3065. # [21:22] <froydnj> efaust: sorry =/ how does it conflict with what you're doing?
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3068. # [21:22] <efaust> froydnj: in particular, moving to universal getInstance() methods, while tempting, will make 966518 go up in smoke
3069. # [21:22] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: do you have b2g28_1.3 branch somewhere
3070. # [21:23] <@smaug> I think Bug 964462 should apply just fine
3071. # [21:23] <@smaug> with --fuzz=4, IIRC
3072. # [21:23] * froydnj stupidly sets r? flags again before actually looking at the bug
3073. # [21:23] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: so if you're going to land something else there, could you please take care of that bug too
3074. # [21:23] <efaust> froydnj: I will personally guarantee you that I will constexpr the whole lot, but I need a bit of time. I am no more happy with the situation than you are after the conversations of a few nights ago
3075. # [21:24] * froydnj looks at the other bug
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3079. # [21:24] <efaust> the problem is that I need an address in the static class declaration, so...
3080. # [21:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: this is 1.3-only?
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3082. # [21:25] <efaust> I am amenable to solutions that make everyone happy, but I think the answer might be an ordering :/
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3084. # [21:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: that bug is confusing because you're asking for a branch uplift before it's landed on m-c?
3085. # [21:25] <froydnj> efaust: I am not sure if your constexpr'd ProxyFamily functions actually do what you want here...or is that what you were referring to?
3086. # [21:25] <efaust> froydnj: it is. It's totally possible that they don't?
3087. # [21:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: a sec-high will get uplifted without any special requesting once it's on trunk - see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/B2G_Landing
3088. # [21:26] <efaust> froydnj: The goal, obviously, is to keep FooProxyHandler::singleton from ever invoking a constructor
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3091. # [21:26] <froydnj> efaust: yup. why do you want a static ::singleton rather than a method ::singleton()?
3092. # [21:27] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it landed to m-i
3093. # [21:27] <@smaug> oh crap
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3095. # [21:27] <@smaug> I didn't add a comment about that
3096. # [21:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: not seeing a link in the bug...
3097. # [21:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> anyway, once it hits trunk, it'll go where it needs to
3098. # [21:27] <efaust> froydnj: see https://bug966518.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8370891
3099. # [21:28] <froydnj> efaust: pretty sure ProxyFamily returning an address means that you need a static constructor (since you don't know the actual address until runtime)
3100. # [21:28] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, thanks. I'll add the m-i link
3101. # [21:28] <@smaug> at least I think I pushed that ...
3102. # [21:28] <efaust> froydnj: really? I would think we could figure out where it would go statically, or at least the linker could know...
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3105. # [21:29] <bz> efaust: well, ASLR
3106. # [21:29] <efaust> blech
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3109. # [21:30] <froydnj> efaust: you just want a unique address, right?
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3111. # [21:30] <froydnj> void*?
3112. # [21:30] <efaust> I mean, there has got to be a way to make everyone happy. Calling a function to make the static class structs is a non-starter
3113. # [21:30] <efaust> froydnj: yeah
3114. # [21:30] <froydnj> you could use a pointer to some function
3115. # [21:30] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oops. I thought I pushed it earlier today, but I didn't
3116. # [21:30] <efaust> the canonical way to do this is with static char foo; &foo in the enging at the moment
3117. # [21:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: hah
3118. # [21:30] <@smaug> ok, waiting for m-i to open
3119. # [21:30] <bz> froydnj: That _sucks_ for the JIT
3120. # [21:30] <efaust> froydnj: yes, yes we could
3121. # [21:30] <froydnj> bz: how so?
3122. # [21:30] <efaust> bz: hy?
3123. # [21:30] <efaust> why, even
3124. # [21:30] <bz> Though I suppose the JIT never calls into the proxy handler directly....
3125. # [21:31] * bz had some thoughts about having it do so sometime. ;)
3126. # [21:31] <efaust> bz: I mean, you would just static void foo() {} &foo instead
3127. # [21:31] <efaust> right?
3128. # [21:31] <efaust> I think that's what he means
3129. # [21:31] <froydnj> it just has to be a cookie, right, you never actually want to do something with the contents of that memory?
3130. # [21:31] <efaust> like, use a function pointer instead of a data one?
3131. # [21:31] <bz> Oh, you mean for the family
3132. # [21:32] <froydnj> right, then it should just become a runtime relocation done by the linker
3133. # [21:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ochameau: ping
3134. # [21:32] <froydnj> and we do a hojillion of those already
3135. # [21:32] <bz> I thought we were talking store a function pointer that returns the handler in the jsclass
3136. # [21:32] <bz> and not liking it too much
3137. # [21:32] <froydnj> no worse than adding a virtual function
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3139. # [21:32] <bz> using a function pointer for the family worksforme
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3142. # [21:33] <khuey> ehsan: yeah autorespond with GTFO my lawn
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3144. # [21:33] <efaust> froydnj: OK, if we do that, then we can constexprify all this stuff, right
3145. # [21:33] <efaust> an then we can have our ::singletons?
3146. # [21:33] <@ehsan> khuey: well, except that it probably won't work as we saw
3147. # [21:33] * froydnj runs a quick test
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3158. # [21:36] <froydnj> efaust: yeah, &function works with some casting
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3162. # [21:37] <efaust> froydnj: OK, perfect. I am happy to constexprify this stuff in a few days, or happy if you do it, but I think pretty sad if we go to getInstance()
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3171. # [21:39] <froydnj> efaust: I'll just let you do it, since it looks like you're well on your way
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3173. # [21:40] <efaust> froydnj: OK, cool. I guess you should review it, since you actually understand the constexpr semantics, and I don't really ;)
3174. # [21:41] <froydnj> efaust: happy to look it over and maybe even make it not suck on b2g :)
3175. # [21:41] <efaust> perfect :)
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3191. # [21:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7dbb42dd1cf4 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5d1c157bbb46 (bug 940554) for changing the Marionette script timeout message in a TBPL-unfriendly way.
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3193. # [21:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> briansmith: we're seeing a lot of random NSS build failures since the 3.15.5 update you pushed - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34230200&tree=Mozilla-Aurora
3194. # [21:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> keeler ^
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3201. # [21:52] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: OK, will look at it.
3202. # [21:53] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: just on mozilla-aurora?
3203. # [21:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> no, all trees where it landed
3204. # [21:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> thanks
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3211. # [21:56] <NeilAway> hsivonen: at what point does domain-based charset guessing take effect? If I'm writing a streamconverter and I don't know the charset of the data, can I just output HTML with no charset and someone will guess for me based on the URI, or on any auto-detect settings that may be in effect? will I get that warning that the document doesn't declare a charset?
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3213. # [21:57] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: if it is only mozilla-aurora then I have a guess what the problem is
3214. # [21:57] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: please show me a non-mozilla-aurora one. I can't find one.
3215. # [21:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> you might be right, sorry
3216. # [21:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> briansmith: i take that back
3217. # [21:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=34156355&tree=Mozilla-Central
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3221. # [22:00] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: A few weeks ago when I updated NSS, I found that Mac OS X wasn't doing incremental builds correctly
3222. # [22:00] <briansmith> i.e. clobber was required.
3223. # [22:00] <briansmith> I wouldn't be surprised if that is the issue affecting that Mozilla-Central build.
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3225. # [22:00] <briansmith> For Mozilla-Aurora, I made a mistake in how I landed it.
3226. # [22:01] <briansmith> There is a file, security/nss/coreconf/coreconf.dep, that has a line added, or a line removed, each time we update NSS.
3227. # [22:01] <briansmith> This controls whether NSS (only) gets clobbered.
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3229. # [22:01] <briansmith> But, on Mozilla-Aurora (only) I updated NSS twice in the same push, so the line was added and then removed, thus being a no-op.
3230. # [22:02] <briansmith> tl;dr: clobber
3231. # [22:03] <briansmith> Interestingly, backing out my patches is likely to only result in more clobbering being needed.
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3243. # [22:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> briansmith: some of those are on clobbers
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3245. # [22:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> makes me think there's a race or something
3246. # [22:08] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: there could be a race. I know that NSS is in its own tier, and I don't know how tiers work.
3247. # [22:08] <froydnj> jwalden: looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Move.h#108 , that first |c1| should be |c2|, right?
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3249. # [22:09] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: The bug about the incremental rebuild failures on Mac OS X is bug 959928. Perhaps it needs to be generalized.
3250. # [22:10] <briansmith> I also suspect a race in the build system but no clue as to how to fix it. gps and glandium may be able to offer some insight.
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3253. # [22:12] <jwalden> froydnj: yeah
3254. # [22:12] <jwalden> froydnj: rs=me
3255. # [22:12] <froydnj> jwalden: \o/
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3280. # [22:24] <RyanVM> roc: I love when a good plan comes together! :P
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3282. # [22:24] <@roc> RyanVM: yes, thank God for bustage!
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3284. # [22:24] <RyanVM> hah
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3292. # [22:27] <RyanVM> roc: i'm guessing the bustage fix is trivial to someone who knows the code, but all's well that ends well :)
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3300. # [22:31] <tomer> I am seeing recently that the server not found error message on Aurora is mentioning that "Firefox could not be able to find the server at www.foo.example.&f=regular" while I try to load the fake address foo.example. I don't think I installed any new addon that could cause this. Do you know where it came from?
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3302. # [22:32] <Unfocused> tomer: bug 967342
3303. # [22:32] <bdahl> anyone run into "ImportError: No module named mozbuild.base"
3304. # [22:32] <drno> RyanVM: you marked the wrong bug 966528 as closed for checkin https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8d7c0ce1b376
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3309. # [22:33] <drno> s/closed/resolved/
3310. # [22:33] <RyanVM> drno: i'm not the one who landed it with the wrong bug #...
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3312. # [22:33] <RyanVM> our merge scripts go off what's in the commit message
3313. # [22:33] <drno> fair enough. just though I let you know
3314. # [22:33] <froydnj> RyanVM: wtb mind-reading merge scripts
3315. # [22:34] <RyanVM> nical: mattwoodrow ^
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3320. # [22:34] <RyanVM> roc: you happen to know what bug # that's supposed to be?
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3322. # [22:34] <KWierso|sheriffduty> 967528?
3323. # [22:34] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM: ^
3324. # [22:35] <RyanVM> looks like a winner to me
3325. # [22:35] <RyanVM> drno: thanks
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3328. # [22:36] <tomer> Unfocused: Thanks. It seems that the Bugzilla search was unable to show it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=".%26f%3Dregular"
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3343. # [22:43] <dmajor> ehsan: ok, reping
3344. # [22:43] <RyanVM> smaug: inbound's open
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3347. # [22:44] <ckerschb> in a mochitest, how can i verify that the 'lock' (left of the address bar) is displayed on an https-page ?
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3354. # [22:46] <romaxa> botond: pong
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3359. # [22:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f626ee3e7ed - Geoff Brown - Bug 962121 - Enable testPasswordProvider, testFormHistory on Android x86; r=dminor
3360. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2558a3801c1c - Geoff Brown - Bug 945395 - Disable testSessionOOMSave on Android x86 for too many failures
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3370. # [22:53] <@smaug> RyanVM: thanks
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3372. # [22:53] <@smaug> wesj: you there
3373. # [22:53] <@smaug> want to do a quick review
3374. # [22:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f0adf847ac2d - Shane Caraveo - Bug 965560 - Fix icon in sidebar toolbarbutton. r=felipc, a=sledru
3375. # [22:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1b369b538f59 - Wes Johnston - Bug 956075 - Add a custom view flipper to avoid Gingerbread bugs with touching ViewGroups. r=lucasr, a=sledru
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3377. # [22:54] <wesj> smaug: sure
3378. # [22:55] <@smaug> wesj: just a tweak to the previous patch
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3385. # [22:57] <@smaug> wesj: see Bug 967236
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3395. # [22:58] <sicking> vlad: ping
3396. # [22:58] <vlad> sicking: pong
3397. # [22:58] <@ehsan> dmajor: hey
3398. # [22:58] <sicking> vlad: you asked me to ping you the other day. Is this about the android-version issue?
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3400. # [22:58] <sicking> vlad: sorry, hard to catch up on email still
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3402. # [22:59] <dmajor> ehsan: in light of bug 951827, where other code can hook system functions after us, what should WindowsDllDetourPatcher's destructor do?
3403. # [22:59] <@smaug> wesj: thanks
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3405. # [22:59] <dmajor> ehsan: I was going to propose just removing it since all our hooks are permanent, but then I saw that it was added for a shutdown bug
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3410. # [23:00] <dmajor> ehsan: should we just do best-effort and not restore functions that no longer start with the code that we put there?
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3412. # [23:00] <@ehsan> dmajor: ideally it should undo everything that it has done, and verify that nobody else has touched out stuff before doing that
3413. # [23:00] <@ehsan> yeah
3414. # [23:01] <dmajor> ehsan: ok
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3417. # [23:02] <@ehsan> dmajor: iirc that's not what we currently do, right?
3418. # [23:02] <dmajor> ehsan: no, we just blindly write some bytes :)
3419. # [23:02] <@ehsan> that's what I would have guessed ;)
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3423. # [23:04] <@ehsan> dmajor: are you planning to work on that?
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3430. # [23:05] <botond> romaxa: sorry, was caught up in other conversations. still around?
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3435. # [23:06] <dmajor> ehsan: I was planning to add some minor protection as part 1 of my change
3436. # [23:07] <lsblakk> jimm: question about bug 968774
3437. # [23:07] <lsblakk> i'm not sure a respin of beta 1 is a better choice than landing this and getting it out on tuesday in beta 2
3438. # [23:07] <@ehsan> dmajor: sounds good, thank you!
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3440. # [23:08] <lsblakk> jimm: what does this bug do to a profile and what, if any, workarounds would exist for user who ended up hitting this?
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3443. # [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d56242338e8 - Olli Pettay - Bug 967236 - Evict touches more aggressively, r=wesj
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3445. # [23:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/41fbeb789ade - Olli Pettay - Bug 964462, simplify ipc offline resource refcounting, r=mayhemer
3446. # [23:10] <jimm> lsblakk: mixed startup caches from two different front ends can really screw up the browser interface. I'm not sure if there's an official way to "reset" that cache, I imagine it involves going in and deleting something in the profile folder. I can dig up a more specific answer for you on that.
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3449. # [23:11] <jimm> lsblakk: typical side erffects would be messed up browser chrome, controls not working, rendering issues, etc..
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3451. # [23:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3072f0155515 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 967287 part 1: Remove unnecessary nsPresContext* argument from functions defined in nsContainerFrame.h. r=mats
3452. # [23:11] <lsblakk> jimm: if there is a way a user can recover from it, we can put that in a KB article for impacted users (of which there might not be that many over the next 5 days)
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3454. # [23:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/810ff6004dcf - Daniel Holbert - Bug 967287 part 2: Adjust indentation after removal of nsPresContext* args. r=mats
3455. # [23:11] <lsblakk> because of the specific steps required to get in this state
3456. # [23:12] <jimm> lsblakk: ok, let me dig up an answer for you
3457. # [23:12] <lsblakk> thanks jimm, will wait for that
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3470. # [23:14] <@smaug> wesj: crap, still one thing
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3477. # [23:17] <@smaug> wesj: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4207231
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3479. # [23:18] <@smaug> wesj: r?
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3494. # [23:25] <yedderson> hello, I can't play h.264 in Firefox on FreeBSD, I have gstreamer installed and here's my dtrace
3495. # [23:25] <yedderson> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4207293
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3497. # [23:25] <kbrosnan> what release of gstreamer
3498. # [23:26] <kbrosnan> 1.0+ branches is not supported
3499. # [23:26] <yedderson> kbrosnan: 0.10.36
3500. # [23:26] <heycam> oh, I just worked why I can refer to "head" on my Mac while it has to be "HEAD" on my Linux box. it's the case insensitive file system, looking up .git/HEAD.
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3507. # [23:28] <@smaug> wesj: I'll land the new patch with pending r+ from you
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3512. # [23:29] <yedderson> kbrosnan: here's the build details of firefox http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4207346
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3516. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f78749e0f42 - Olli Pettay - backout bug 967236
3517. # [23:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6b5e42fb847 - Olli Pettay - Bug 967236 - Evict touches more aggressively, v3, r=wesj
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3531. # [23:35] <kats> woo changed ldap rotation to 6 months
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3534. # [23:36] <bagder> from what?
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3536. # [23:36] <@roc> I love Mats Palmgren.
3537. # [23:36] <kbrosnan> every 90 days
3538. # [23:36] <bagder> oh
3539. # [23:37] * bagder hasn't been around for 90 days yet B)
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3541. # [23:37] <kbrosnan> was changed before the new year afik
3542. # [23:37] <@smaug> roc: what did he do this time ?
3543. # [23:38] <@smaug> and yes, we all love him :)
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3545. # [23:39] <@roc> he has a fix for the teriffying Google Translate bug 961347
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3550. # [23:42] <bwc1> jcranmer: Ping about dxr, and the possibility of integration with editors.
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3574. # [23:49] <yedderson> on freebsd my firefox can't play h.264, help please
3575. # [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de00c8bfc9b9 - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 8: Use AudioCompactor in android PluginMediaReader.cpp.
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3581. # [23:50] <bkelly> I accidentally pushed to mozilla-inbound without updated the commit message for r=... how do I fix that?
3582. # [23:50] <kinetik> bkelly: back out and repush
3583. # [23:50] <bkelly> kinetik: ok, thanks
3584. # [23:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/477e7d2eb1d7 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 965593. Only use large z-index on root scroll frames to make overlay scrollbars draw above other content. r=roc
3585. # [23:51] <yedderson> this is the dtrace http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4207293
3586. # [23:52] <kbrosnan> yedderson: really would be better to have a bug on file with mozilla and/or the bsd distro
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3589. # [23:52] <kbrosnan> yedderson: then follow up with https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-media
3590. # [23:53] <RyanVM|afk> bkelly: don't
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3592. # [23:53] <RyanVM|afk> bkelly: just leave it
3593. # [23:53] <bkelly> RyanVM|afk: ack... I just pushed the revert :-(
3594. # [23:53] <RyanVM|afk> please DONTBUILD them at least
3595. # [23:53] <RyanVM|afk> lest we get even more builds and tests
3596. # [23:53] <RyanVM|afk> for a no-op
3597. # [23:54] <bkelly> sorry :-(
3598. # [23:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22d850638009 - Ben Kelly - Revert Bug 960873 Part 8 (de00c8bfc9b9) due to missing r= in commit message
3599. # [23:54] <RyanVM|afk> and you can backout & reland in one push
3600. # [23:54] <bkelly> RyanVM|afk: thats a good point... sorry... a bit flustered
3601. # [23:54] <RyanVM|afk> but seriously, I don't know why people think a missing r= is such a huge deal
3602. # [23:54] <RyanVM|afk> it's in the bug
3603. # [23:54] <RyanVM|afk> the only thing worth backing out and relanding over is an incorrect bug # or a completely mangled commit message
3604. # [23:55] <RyanVM|afk> otherwise, let it be
3605. # [23:55] <bkelly> RyanVM|afk: should I DONTBUILD the reland?
3606. # [23:55] <RyanVM|afk> we don't have an r= commit hook for a reason
3607. # [23:55] <RyanVM|afk> yes
3608. # [23:55] <RyanVM|afk> pelase
3609. # [23:55] <bkelly> will do
3610. # [23:55] * geekboy is now known as geekboy|afk
3611. # [23:55] <RyanVM|afk> bkelly: i just canceled the builds on the last push
3612. # [23:55] <bkelly> thank you
3613. # [23:55] * geekboy|afk is now known as geekboy
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3616. # [23:56] <dholbert> RyanVM|afk, IMHO backing out & relanding [with DONTBUILD] is a good-citizen thing for folks to do, as it shows (more clearly) that the push wasn't accidental or sneaky or whatever
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3618. # [23:57] <dholbert> sure, people who are curious could look at the bug, but that takes effort, and it's nicer to make it clear what's going on without requiring that anyone interested have to go read the bug
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3621. # [23:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef1d09ac296a - Ben Kelly - Bug 960873: Part 8: Use AudioCompactor in android PluginMediaReader.cpp. r=cpearce (DONTBUILD for re-land)
3622. # [23:58] <RyanVM|afk> dholbert: I don't think it's worth the effort, but meh
3623. # [23:58] <RyanVM|afk> if we cared that much, we'd have a commit hook for it
3624. # [23:58] <RyanVM|afk> bmo don't lie :P
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3626. # [23:59] <dholbert> RyanVM|afk, it takes effort, but it's a nice gesture in the interests of preventing other folks from having to expend [potentially duplicated] effort
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3628. # [23:59] <RyanVM|afk> *shrug*
3629. # [23:59] <RyanVM|afk> I'd agree with you except I see way too many instances of DONTBUILD not getting used
3630. # [23:59] <RyanVM|afk> and getting multiple extra sets of builds/tests out of it
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