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# Session Start: Mon Feb 17 00:00:00 2014
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# [00:01] <Jesse> dbaron: fuzzers are tools for quickly creating bad-idea tests
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# [00:02] <@dbaron> Jesse, I was talking about the "then you find more bugs" problem
# [00:02] <@dbaron> Jesse, of course, I just realized after an hour of debugging that the bug was in the test :-(
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# [00:11] <philor> mattwoodrow: but other than the build failure and the crash, so far it's going pretty well
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# [00:17] <@dbaron> philor, and the build failure and the crash are different bugs
# [00:17] <@dbaron> philor, it's possible the one-line commit is ok, though
# [00:17] <@dbaron> philor, but it's on the same bug as one that's not
# [00:17] <@dbaron> mattwoodrow, ^
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# [00:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/89b9078be02a - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out 3 changesets (bug 972703, bug 889959) for build failures and crashes
# [00:23] <philor> oh, ffs - I thought I'd found a good rev retriggering b2g tests, but it was only because I retriggered Fennec instead
# [00:23] <philor> and yes, Fennec has an *awful* lot to thank b2g for
# [00:26] <philor> hmm, I wonder whether these datastore tests leave the slave crapped up, so that their failure frequency is related to the age of the slave pool
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# [00:33] <Manishearth> Anyone able to repro bug 973383?
# [00:33] <Manishearth> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973383
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# [00:42] <emerson> Manishearth: i think i remember having that problem before, but I can't figure out how to reproduce it
# [00:43] <emerson> Also, is it just me or is his UA string weird?
# [00:43] <rnewman> I remember seeing that for a day or two in Nightly a long time ago -- quite possible that the reporter is using an outdated build
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# [00:43] <rnewman> emerson: I commented on the bug with a needinfo to the reporter.
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# [01:04] <Manishearth> emerson: THe UA string looks ok to me, though Iceweasel isn't that common
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# [01:05] <Manishearth> emerson: If it seems to turn up randomly in Nightly, maybe we should add something to the testsuite for it
# [01:06] <Manishearth> Btw, can one run mochitests without building Fx?
# [01:06] <Manishearth> maybe by copying the built binary to the objdir and mach building the testing dir?
# [01:06] <nthomas> yes, that's what the tests on tbpl do
# [01:07] <nthomas> not the copying, but they d/l an archive for firefox, and one for the tests
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# [01:09] <firebot> Check-in:
# [01:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8c41ecfc045 - L. David Baron - Bug 789602 followup: unbreak printing of REFTEST IMAGE with != test failures, which the initial patch incorrectly put before the REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL line.
# [01:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a033d0af07bf - L. David Baron - Fix whitespace and modelines in reftest-analyzer. No bug.
# [01:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d0f0eabea26 - L. David Baron - Bug 480888 patch 4: Draw outline around the union of border boxes, SVG, and text, rather than the visual overflow area. r=roc
# [01:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5d74728a7ab - Maks Naumov - Bug 973187: Fix typo (checking mRadiusX twice and not checking mRadiusY) in nsStyleGradient::HasCalc(). r=dbaron
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# [01:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36f5d0ba1d1b - Ehsan Akhgari - Fix the bug number in the test, no bug
# [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58f4e679f019 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 966155 - Ensure that we handle the native key bindings for all key events in designMode documents; r=Neil
# [01:14] <emerson> Manishearth: I think rnewman was right, it was a while back in nightly, it's probably fixed now.
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# [01:16] <Manishearth> emerson: looks like he updated it and still has the problem
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# [01:25] <emerson> Manishearth: right, I don't know then. I still can't reproduce it, tried it on Iceweasel 22, FF 28 and nightly
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# [01:54] <@roc> dbaron: hurrah!
# [01:55] <@dbaron> roc, what, landing the outline thing without test failures?
# [01:55] <@roc> yes!
# [01:56] <@dbaron> roc, and I have tests that would make the previously-Android-only test failures more reliable
# [01:56] <@dbaron> roc, ... which were Android-only because on non-Android we reflow twice because of the scrollbar
# [01:56] <@dbaron> roc, but in the process of writing those I found another bug... which you'll probably have a review request for shortly... though after it passes try, I think
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# [02:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3ceabcc6ff66 - Rick Eyre - Bug 941701 - Fix crash in TextTrackCue::GetCueAsHTML. r=rillian, a=lsblakk
# [02:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4fef9a9dbdf3 - Randell Jesup - Bug 972097 - Fix merge failure (lost 'rtcp_'). r=padenot, a=lsblakk
# [02:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f8a20613302c - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 972622 - MakeCurrent during WebGL.compressedTex(Sub)Image2D(). r=kamidphish, a=lsblakk
# [02:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c515e8ba94f7 - Jan Varga - Bug 965982. r=bent, a=lsblakk
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# [02:39] <firebot> Check-in:
# [02:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7ca0fa1af120 - L. David Baron - Bug 541855 - Add in the error tolerance before calling the timing function, so that we allow more error for steeper functions, and less error for most. r=dholbert, a=test-only
# [02:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/533e8bcf1404 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 946929 - Disable browser_dbg_variables-view-popup-05.js and browser_dbg_variables-view-popup-06.js on OSX for intermittent crashes. a=test-only
# [02:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/53cc37f62b49 - Robert Longson - Bug 971285 - Fix intermittent failure in smil/anim-path-d-01.svg. r=dholbert, a=test-only
# [02:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d47ccac51df0 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 821475 - Moz2D: Remove flip when drawing gradient. r=mstange, a=lsblakk
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# [03:00] <@roc> dbaron: ARE YOU STILL AROUND btw?
# [03:00] <@roc> er sorry about caps
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# [03:31] <@dbaron> roc, yes
# [03:32] <@dbaron> whoa, who uplifted that test_transitions fix to beta before we'd even confirmed it improved things...?
# [03:33] <@dbaron> looks like RyanVM. I guess if it turns out not to be an improvement RyanVM will get to uplift the fix to all the same places...
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# [03:35] <@roc> dbaron: I'm planning to add an async scroll capability to reftests
# [03:36] <@roc> I want to mark a scrollable element with an x/y scroll offset and then, when we take the reftest snapshot, we'll tell the compositor to apply that async scroll offset
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# [03:38] <@roc> I'm thinking of supporting reftest-async-scroll-x/y attributes on scrollable elements containing the offset to apply. What do you think of that?
# [03:38] <@dbaron> roc, perhaps you want a class on the root element to say it should grovel through the dom?
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# [03:39] <@dbaron> roc, and maybe data-reftest-* attributes?
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# [03:39] <@dbaron> roc, and are the attributes values in CSS pixels, or might some other unit be needed?
# [03:39] <@roc> should we use data-reftest on the attributes we set on the root element?
# [03:39] <@roc> CSS pixels
# [03:39] <@dbaron> roc, probably, other than the class="reftest-*"
# [03:39] <@roc> we currently have reftest-viewport/displayport-w/h
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# [03:40] <@dbaron> roc, though maybe not... reftest-* is probably fine
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# [03:42] <@roc> I think I can restrict this to the case where reftest-displayport-w/h as been set on an element
# [03:43] <@roc> hmmm
# [03:43] <@roc> layout/reftests/reftest-sanity/647192-1.html is weird
# [03:44] <@roc> I'll do it only when reftest-async-scroll=true is set onthe root element
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# [03:44] <sajuuk> hey guys, currently I am opening firefox and a search using the shortcut - "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" + Search where Search is a string, the problem is that when I have more than one word, firefox only searches the first word, I want to be able to search using all of the words in the string, is this possible?
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# [03:45] <@dbaron> roc, btw, does it seem bad to you that text is displaying differently depending on whether it has a space next to it? In other words "hello "[100px empty inline-block]"world" and "hello"[100px empty inline-block]" world" displaying differently?
# [03:45] <cajbir> sajuuk: have you enclosed the search in quotes?
# [03:46] <@dbaron> roc, (er, actually, it's a margin rather than an inline-block)
# [03:46] <sajuuk> cajbir: that sounds rather silly now that i haven't tried it
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# [03:46] <@roc> dbaron: yes
# [03:46] <@roc> the textrun sections that we render should be the same
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# [03:47] <@dbaron> roc, there's subpixel-AA cruft getting clipped at the edges when there isn't a space adjacent
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# [03:48] <sajuuk> cajbir: thanks that works, im just trying to open firefox to do a search via a java application
# [03:48] <@roc> are the frame overflow areas different?
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# [03:49] <@roc> we have platform-specific hacks to expand the visual overflow area to include subpixel AA cruft. Maybe they need expanding.
# [03:50] <@dbaron> roc, well... the spaces are in different frames in the different testcases
# [03:50] <@roc> one day screens will be so good we can get rid of subpixel AA
# [03:50] <@roc> and some day after that we can get rid of all antialiasing!
# [03:50] <@dbaron> so I'm pretty sure the overflow areas are different, but I'm not sure if that's useful information
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# [03:50] <@roc> oh, are these spaces not collapsed?
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# [03:51] <@dbaron> roc, the difference is space-then-margin vs. margin-then-space
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# [03:54] <@roc> dbaron: how would you feel if I reorganized the reftest README.txt sections from "Asynchronous Tests" onward to be organized by class names and attribute names?
# [03:55] <@roc> or at least put the attribute name/class name in the section header
# [03:55] <@dbaron> roc, seems reasonable, particularly having the class/attribute in the section headings
# [03:56] <@dbaron> roc, which I was about to suggest before seeing you wrote it
# [03:56] <@dbaron> (I think that should happen whether reorg or not)
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# [03:57] <@roc> I'll just do that
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# [03:59] <@dbaron> I realize that the two reftest directory names I've added in the past week have something in common: outline and inline. But it took me a long time to notice the similarity.
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# [04:53] <@dbaron> roc, btw, I didn't see anything platform-specific relating to subpixel-AA's effect on the bounding box in gfxFont::Measure, though maybe I'm looking in the wrong place
# [04:54] <@roc> see gfxDWriteFont::Measure
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# [06:38] <nsm> philor: yea, backing out :)
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# [06:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca5cfa58f6a2 - Nikhil Marathe - Backout 3011b2b7f82f (bug 966384) for unused variable failures. r=backout
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# [07:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b98808ff6c89 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 966384 - Promises on workers use correct busy count. r=khuey
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# [08:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning
# [08:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so flu resolved \o/
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# [08:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8112ba0e9eb6 - Jonathan Kew - bug 973380 - fix font metrics initialization for non-scalable fonts in the gfxFT2Fonts backend. r=karlt
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# [09:58] <jivora> Hi.Need to disable alerts and modal boxes for some automation . Through an add on or changes in local config but want to avoid rebuilding code. Pl guide me.
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# [10:09] <freddyb> I get this build failure, when I try to make an b2g emulator build. maybe someone has seen this and knows how to help: https://dpaste-bkero.paas.allizom.org/eDUG
# [10:09] <freddyb> (the line wrapping is weird, please use this url instead https://dpaste-bkero.paas.allizom.org/eDUG/raw )
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# [10:21] <KWierso|afk> good morning, edmorley and Tomcat|sheriffduty :)
# [10:22] <KWierso|afk> and good night :)
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# [10:22] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good night KWierso|afk and have a great holiday day
# [10:23] <edmorley> KWierso|afk: good night :-)
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# [10:25] <Ms2ger> Night/morning
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# [10:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hai Ms2ger
# [10:28] <KWierso|afk> Tomcat|sheriffduty: glad you're feeling better :)
# [10:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah living without fever is way more fun
# [10:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i guess its this typical no-snow-but-wet-and-cold somehow winter
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# [13:09] <firebot> The metadata will be attached to an ancestor layer in that case. r=mattwoodrow
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# [13:33] <mihaelav_> hi! I'm having issues with closing Tab view in a browser chrome test: neither TabView.toggle() nor Tabview.hide() work (nothing happens) (test is under browser/components/customizableui/test folder) . Maybe I need to import something... Can anyone suggest what to do to make it work?
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# [13:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d5b841bc9550 - Paul Adenot - Bug 960057 - When an HTMLMediaElement outputs to a MediaStream, make sure to install the refill callback in any case. r=roc DONTBUILD
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# [14:25] <steve> hey all. a little more talking to the wall. doing a little more code inspection & some feedback that will end up in bugzilla when I get around to it. feel free to come back at any issues raised.
# [14:25] <steve> ThebesLayerD3D10::RenderLayer
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# [14:26] <steve> 1. That method should be called CompositeLayer, not RenderLayer. It doesn't render the layer. It renders it into the final composited image.
# [14:27] <steve> 2. Don't use D3D10 fx framework technique nonsense. It's slow. Go direct to the metal. Ditto DX9 & DX11 equivalents.
# [14:28] <evilpie> steve: maybe try #gfx
# [14:28] <tbsaunde> froydnj: s/gecko fact/open source project fact/ or maybe software fact ;)
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# [14:28] <steve> maybe code review right here. not just gfx.
# [14:29] <evilpie> I don't understand what you are talking about
# [14:29] <steve> I know - we haven't met before I think. hi.
# [14:29] <evilpie> hi
# [14:29] <steve> there are loads of really long functions all over the place which are hard to read/maintain. the entire tree is in need of some factoring love.
# [14:29] <evilpie> oh so you plan on posting this on a bug? that would be good
# [14:30] <evilpie> lol have fun with that
# [14:31] <steve> I wouldn't have to have fun with it if the tree was maintained properly in the first place. realize the whole factoring thing is dull and boring but if you want a solid codebase, you need to keep it neat & tidy.
# [14:31] <steve> also realize a lot of folks work for free and I'm not anybody's boss. I can however share my thoughts. thanks for allowing me to do so. realize some of this might piss off those who think everything is ok as it is.
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# [14:32] <steve> firefox is no longer the best browser. when you dive into the source you understand why. the situation can be rectified.
# [14:33] <evilpie> I think nobody is going to complain if you cleanup some code, but if you just complain nobody is going to like you
# [14:33] <steve> constructive critique, not complaint. well, maybe it is a complaint. not trying to win any popularity contests. trying to get this tree back to awesome.
# [14:34] <Yoric> steve: Sure, but the best way to act is generally to submit patches.
# [14:34] <steve> and don't (right now) have time to do much of this myself or I'd just do it & file patches.
# [14:34] <Yoric> Or bug reports.
# [14:34] <Yoric> We are all aware that many things need to be fixed and we are working hard on it, but additional hands are always welcome :)
# [14:34] <steve> yes - reason for not using that approach above. insufficient time/resources due to running another project.
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# [14:35] <steve> doing what I can. right now that amounts to feedback. when I have time to get stuck in, will do so.
# [14:36] <Yoric> Sure. By all means, please file bugs.
# [14:37] <tbsaunde> maybe if you spent less time complaining you'd have more time to do something more productive
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# [14:37] <steve> code review is important. lack of focus on that is why the tree is how it is.
# [14:37] <steve> and 1GB
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# [14:37] <steve> it's not all about throwing stuff on top of stuff on top of stuff. keep it clean.
# [14:37] <Yoric> Well, we spend considerable amounts of time doing code-review-before-landing.
# [14:38] <Yoric> But yes, it's true that code-review-long-time-after-landing can be useful, too.
# [14:38] <steve> all part of software engineering. first thing is to get it doing what you need. then go back over what's there & consider whether it can be tidied/factored to make it easier to maintain.
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# [14:41] <Yoric> steve: I believe that we are all aware of this. We keep refactoring stuff to improve it, but we may well be missing important refactorings.
# [14:42] <steve> understood. realize core devs are all very experienced. not trying to be patronizing.
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# [14:45] <gcp> https://shippingmanager.bpost.be/
# [14:45] <gcp> works on Chrome
# [14:45] <gcp> security warning on Firefox
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# [14:48] <Yoric> steve: Sure. The best place for these refactoring suggestions is bugzilla, though.
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> HTTP Status 404?
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# [14:49] <gcp> Ms2ger: if you visit the root, yues
# [14:49] <steve> yoric: understood. just like doing a little thinking out loud first to make sure we're all on the same page.
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# [14:52] <Yoric> sure
# [14:52] <freddyb> so I heard there is some free programming advice to be heard?
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# [14:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/dbc276ddafdd - Markus Stange - Bug 960017 - Add some debug-only checks. r=Bas, a=sledru
# [14:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8fbd24c57aea - Michael Comella - Bug 947550 - Wait for Gecko:DelayedStartup in testAboutHomePageNavigation. r=margaret, a=test-only
# [14:53] <Yoric> And yes, Chrome has the considerable advantage of having started from a clean source, while we carry with us 15 years of experimentations, bugfixes and workarounds.
# [14:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a82ed84e3900 - Eric Faust - Bug 952321 - Don't add proxy stubs in unbarriered GetPropertyICs. r=jandem, a=sledru
# [14:54] <Ms2ger> Yoric, dunno if khtml counts as clean :)
# [14:54] <Yoric> Ms2ger: I looked at it a long time ago and found it very clean.
# [14:54] <Yoric> But I cannot say about recent versions.
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# [15:00] <steve> blink now. whether their tree is clean or not isn't the issue. to get back to #1, have to introduce processes than ensure you have an optimal tree.
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# [15:01] <gcp> Ms2ger: do you get an untrusted connection warning in firefox on that site?
# [15:02] <Yoric> steve: If you have a precise idea, you can send it on dev-platform. Of course, be diplomatic.
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# [15:02] <steve> never been very good at diplomacy :) sorry. its more aahhhhhhhhhhh!
# [15:03] <steve> joking. trying to be as respectful as possible.
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# [15:03] <steve> > send it on dev-platform. explain please. don't know what that is.
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# [15:03] <Yoric> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
# [15:03] <Yoric> It's our mailing-list for platform development.
# [15:04] <Yoric> Many questions of development are discussed over there.
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# [15:04] <steve> I'd have one full time dev - who's entire job is to step through the tree on a regular basis considering whether what's there can architecturally improved.
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# [15:05] <freddyb> we accept financial contributions as well
# [15:05] <steve> and file bugs where that's not the case & ensure they land to keep a clean. efficient flow.
# [15:05] <steve> no dough. doing a little free consultancy. not pulling my weight as much as I'd like, but making a contribution.
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# [15:07] <steve> as that changes, paying others to do the stuff I think's important with the consent of tree owners is the way to make some significant progress.
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# [15:08] <steve> keeping it real, right now, a little feedback & filing a few bugs.
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# [15:11] <steve> yoric: thanks
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# [15:12] <Yoric> np
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# [15:26] <Ms2ger> gcp, on https://www.bpost.be/shippingmanager/, yes
# [15:27] <gcp> ok, filed
# [15:27] <gcp> file as general security, though maybe it should be NSS?
# [15:27] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973592
# [15:27] <Ms2ger> tech evang?
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# [15:28] <gcp> why would it? it looks like our bug
# [15:28] <Ms2ger> Blocked loading mixed active content "http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4/jquery.min.js"
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# [15:28] <gcp> hmmm
# [15:28] <gcp> doesn't IE do mixed content blocks?
# [15:28] <Ms2ger> I haven't followed
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# [15:40] <hrw> guys: how to configure mozilla-central trunk for build? "autoconf" says "error: defn: undefined macro: AC_OUTPUT_FILES"
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# [15:40] <padenot> hrw: which platform is that?
# [15:40] <padenot> hrw: you should just do ./mach build
# [15:40] <hrw> padenot: fedora 21 on aarch64
# [15:41] <hrw> thanks
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# [15:43] <hrw> ok, now time for usual stuff. first upgrading all those gnu-config files from previous millenium...
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# [15:44] <Ms2ger> Mm, aarch64
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# [15:44] <Ms2ger> I think someone was working on that, but maybe it was you
# [15:45] <padenot> hrw: we kinda have a non-traditional build-system, because we have weird needs, drop by in #build if you need help
# [15:45] <hrw> Ms2ger: me
# [15:45] <hrw> Ms2ger: I built v24, worked on v27 and now try to build trunk
# [15:45] <Ms2ger> Good luck :)
# [15:45] <hrw> Ms2ger: I need that.
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# [15:46] <hrw> padenot: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=944920
# [15:46] <hrw> padenot: I am tired of reminding all projects to update those files so instead I have one piece of code for it
# [15:47] <hrw> for f in `find . -name config.guess`
# [15:47] <hrw> do
# [15:47] <hrw> cp /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.{guess,sub} `dirname $f`
# [15:47] <hrw> done
# [15:47] <padenot> I'm not sure we have plans to update to a newer autoconf
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# [15:48] <hrw> padenot: config.{guess,sub} are NOT autoconf
# [15:48] <hrw> they are gnu-config
# [15:48] <hrw> and you already ship 8 years old ones which are useless
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# [15:49] <padenot> hrw: sorry, I misread the bug
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# [15:49] <hrw> common issue ;D
# [15:50] <padenot> hrw: I see ted anwsered you there, he would know better than me, but it seems to me that he would take the patch
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> Mm, nspr
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# [15:51] <hrw> ted: you prefer patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=944920?
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# [16:00] <Yoric> What's the best way to convert a |nsString| to a |const PRUnichar*|?
# [16:00] <Yoric> A simple call to get() doesn't seem sufficient, and I'd rather avoid a reinterpret cast.
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# [16:05] <Ms2ger> It is .get()
# [16:07] <Yoric> no known conversion from 'const_char_iterator' (aka 'const char16_t *') to 'const PRUnichar *' (aka 'const unsigned short *')
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# [16:07] <Yoric> (ah, that's with BeginReading() instead of get(), but it was basically the same error with just get())
# [16:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3ee550e22c98 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 8fbd24c57aea (bug 947550) for robocop failures.
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# [16:10] <Yoric> Ms2ger: Any idea?
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# [16:11] <Ms2ger> Yoric, why are you using PRUnichar anyway?
# [16:11] <Yoric> I'm using PR_* functions.
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> Ugh
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> The reinterpret_cast
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> Then*
# [16:11] <Yoric> :/
# [16:12] <Yoric> Ok, thanks.
# [16:12] <Ms2ger> Unless you get away with static_cast, but I doubt it
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# [16:14] <Yoric> No, static_cast isn't sufficient.
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# [16:16] <tbsaunde> Yoric: why do you need PR_* functions?
# [16:16] <Yoric> Doing file I/O at a level slightly below nsIFile.
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# [16:17] <tbsaunde> ugh
# [16:18] <tbsaunde> I thought there was a function to go char16_t * -> PRUnichar * wcc or something like that but I can't find it
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# [16:19] <hrw> hm.
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# [16:20] <hrw> /home/hrw/rpmbuild/UPSTREAM/mozilla-central/js/src/jsapi-tests/../jit/Registers.h:25:13: error: ‘Registers’ does not name a type
# [16:20] <hrw> JavaScript git is something after v27?
# [16:20] <hrw> s/git/jit
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# [16:21] <nbp> mjrosenb: ^ hrw
# [16:22] <nbp> hrw: Registers structure is supposed to come from the Architecture-arm.h
# [16:22] <hrw> nbp: Architecture-aarch64.h you mean?
# [16:22] <nbp> hrw: fell free to join #ionmonkey and discuss with dougc / mjrosenb about ARM ;)
# [16:23] <nbp> hrw: yes.
# [16:23] <hrw> nbp: once they will be online ;D
# [16:24] <nbp> hrw: mjrosenb is always online, even if he does not frequently answer when he is sleeping ;)
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# [16:24] <tbsaunde> Yoric: I think you want wwc() which is just nice reinterpret cast
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# [16:25] <nbp> hrw: also, rankov is working on the MIPS backend which is being integrated, he might know some of your issues.
# [16:25] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, no, that's wchar_t
# [16:25] <hrw> nbp: thanks
# [16:26] <hrw> nbp: I am good patch monkey but not a coder
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# [16:27] <Yoric> tbsaunde: Is there a wwc for const?
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# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Yoric, your case isn't what wwc is for
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# [16:28] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: iirc PRUinichar is a typedef of wchar_t on windows
# [16:29] <Ms2ger> Maybe
# [16:30] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: arguably it is (just checked and PRUinichar is a typedef of wchar_t)
# [16:30] <Ms2ger> Still not going to work
# [16:30] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: why not?
# [16:30] <Ms2ger> Not-windows?
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# [16:32] <hrw> bbl
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# [16:34] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: I think you get the wwc of type char16_t* -> char16_t* but yeah, that seems kind of dangerous (sorry I'm an idiot just getting better after a cold)
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# [16:34] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, I'd never call you an idiot :)
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# [16:42] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: that's nice, but it would be nicer if it was correct ;)
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# [16:42] <Ms2ger> :D
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# [18:01] <mjrosenb> hrw: pong.
# [18:01] <hrw> mjrosenb: pong
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# [18:04] <mjrosenb> hrw: so, did you figure out what was wrong with Registers.h?
# [18:04] <hrw> mjrosenb: no, I was out of office
# [18:04] <hrw> mjrosenb: but from what I see Registers.h handles only x86 x86-64 and arm
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# [18:05] <mjrosenb> hrw: what architecture are you on?
# [18:05] <hrw> mjrosenb: aarch64
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# [18:05] <hrw> mjrosenb: it is 64bit arm and has nearly nothing common with arm
# [18:06] <mjrosenb> hrw: yeaah. that is totally unsupported right now.
# [18:06] <hrw> mjrosenb: sure. so how to disable jsjit?
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# [18:07] <mjrosenb> hrw: configure flags --disable-ion is definitely one of them
# [18:07] <mjrosenb> you probably also need --disable-baseline
# [18:07] <mjrosenb> I don't think there is a --disable-asmjs.
# [18:08] <mjrosenb> hrw: I'm planning on adding support for aarch64 soon-ish.
# [18:08] <hrw> mjrosenb: cool
# [18:08] <mjrosenb> hrw: do you have any aarch6 hardware?
# [18:08] <hrw> mjrosenb: yes
# [18:08] <hrw> mjrosenb: remotely
# [18:09] <mjrosenb> hrw: i'm jealous.
# [18:09] <hrw> mjrosenb: one of good effects of working at Red Hat
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# [18:10] <mjrosenb> hrw: is this an amd board, or something else?
# [18:10] <hrw> mjrosenb: Applied Micro
# [18:10] <mjrosenb> hrw: I could probably ask mozilla to order me one, just I had no clue there were any devices on the market.
# [18:10] <hrw> mjrosenb: AMD boards are not yet available
# [18:11] <hrw> mjrosenb: Applied announced 5000$ boards some time ago. still not sell
# [18:11] <mjrosenb> hrw: the X-Gene?
# [18:11] <hrw> yes
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# [18:12] <jorendorff> if a CSS file is coming in slowly over the network, do we parse it incrementally?
# [18:12] <jorendorff> and add rules to the document in batches, reflowing if necessary?
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# [18:13] <mjrosenb> hrw: so you don't have an X-Gene?
# [18:13] <hrw> mjrosenb: I have
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# [18:15] <hrw> ok, I "have" a break - lost contact to machine
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# [18:26] <Gijs> Is there a convenient way to get the combined ideal (non-scrolling) height of a set of elements (in XUL) ?
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# [18:26] <Gijs> that is, including doing the math on their (possibly negative) margins, paddings and borders ?
# [18:26] <Gijs> scrollHeight doesn't include borders or margins, it seems.
# [18:27] <Gijs> of course I could getComputedStyle all the things but it'd be nice if there were a more convenient way.
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# [18:46] <jorendorff> dbaron: on this post http://davidwalsh.name/add-rules-stylesheets you commented: "Dynamically adding rules to a style sheet leads to rerunning selector matching on the entire document, at least in Gecko."
# [18:46] <jorendorff> dbaron: does that apply to <style scoped> too?
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# [18:47] <@dbaron> jorendorff, I think for <style scoped> we only rerun matching on the scoped subtree
# [18:47] <jorendorff> yay! thanks
# [18:47] <@dbaron> jorendorff, yes, see PresShell::RecordStyleSheetChange
# [18:48] <@dbaron> jorendorff, ... and nsIPresShell::ReconstructStyleDataInternal
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# [19:04] <julienw> (copy from #content, I'll maybe have some more answers here :) ) so, let's say we inject an image using background-image with a blob url. How can we know it has loaded so that we can revoke it? Current solution involves setTimeout with new Image :) not satisfying
# [19:05] <Ms2ger> You cant
# [19:05] <Ms2ger> can't*
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# [19:06] <julienw> not satisfying :p
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# [19:07] <Ms2ger> No
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# [19:10] <reuben> deleting a ton of entries in the history window is a Bad Idea :(
# [19:12] <Jesse> hangs?
# [19:12] <reuben> yes
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# [19:12] <reuben> for a loooooooong time
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# [19:16] <hrw> mjrosenb: "hrw@chroot-rawhide:BUILD$ ../configure --disable-gstreamer --disable-ion --disable-baseline && make -j8;make" fails same way
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# [19:17] <reuben> it also allocates ridiculous amounts of memory :(
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> hrw, please don't use configure/make directly, use mach build instead
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# [19:19] <hrw> Ms2ger: mach does not pass configure options
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> Use a mozconfig
# [19:19] <hrw> reuben: isn't firefox and insane amounts of memory a norm?
# [19:19] <reuben> hrw: nope, not for me
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> You're half a decade late on that
# [19:20] <hrw> :)
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# [19:20] <Jesse> building firefox, on the other hand, is best done on a computer with many GB of RAM
# [19:20] <hrw> Ms2ger: mozconfig in topdir or in $MOZBUILD_STATE_PATH one?
# [19:20] <hrw> Jesse: and 11GB of free storage
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# [19:21] <Ms2ger> topsrcdir
# [19:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fefba9d06e03 - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 936740: Inline Math.ceil for double inputs where an integer is returned; r=jandem
# [19:21] <mjrosenb> hrw: where is it being included from?
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# [19:23] <mjrosenb> hrw: oh, you probably also want: --disable-yarr-jit
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# [19:24] <reuben> using sqlite3 directly on places.sqlite to delete the entries was instantaneous
# [19:24] <reuben> What Could Possibly Go Wrong?
# [19:24] <hrw> ok, restarted
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# [19:25] <hrw> In file included from /home/hrw/rpmbuild/UPSTREAM/mozilla-central/js/src/jsapi-tests/../jit/Snapshots.h:14:0,
# [19:25] <hrw> from /home/hrw/rpmbuild/UPSTREAM/mozilla-central/js/src/jsapi-tests/testJitRValueAlloc.cpp:8,
# [19:25] <hrw> from /home/hrw/rpmbuild/UPSTREAM/mozilla-central/BUILD/js/src/jsapi-tests/Unified_cpp_js_src_jsapi-tests2.cpp:54:
# [19:25] <hrw> /home/hrw/rpmbuild/UPSTREAM/mozilla-central/js/src/jsapi-tests/../jit/Registers.h:25:13: error: ‘Registers’ does not name a type
# [19:25] <Gijs> reuben: interesting. Can you file a bug? :)
# [19:25] <hrw> mjrosenb: ^^
# [19:25] <Gijs> (ideally with useful STR)
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# [19:25] <reuben> Gijs: isn't this one just good ol' bug 648232
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# [19:26] <reuben> though I have the impression that searching for something, then selecting all and hitting delete is even slower
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# [19:30] <Gijs> reuben: "I don't know" :)
# [19:31] <Gijs> (also, that bug is sadmaking)
# [19:31] <reuben> it is
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# [19:31] <shu> is Splinter not working for anyone else on BMO?
# [19:31] <shu> (the review tool)
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# [19:36] <mjrosenb> hrw: oh, uhh...
# [19:36] <mjrosenb> hrw: those are tests, they shouldn't matter.
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# [19:36] <hrw> mjrosenb: but build fails on them
# [19:36] <hrw> will see with direct "./mach build"
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# [19:37] <mjrosenb> hrw: we should talk with someone who knows the build system
# [19:37] <hrw> mjrosenb: #build?
# [19:38] <mjrosenb> hrw: they'll be there. They will also most likely be in here as well.
# [19:38] <hrw> sure
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# [19:39] <mjrosenb> hrw: --disable-tests Do not build test libraries & programs
# [19:39] <hrw> ok, added, restarted
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# [19:43] <tbsaunde> hrw: off hand that seems like a case of needs more ifdef ION or something like that, but I don't know anything about the jseng
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# [19:44] <tbsaunde> you might see if the powerpc people have any outstanding bugs to fix --disable-ion or --disable-baseline
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# [19:48] <hrw> tbsaunde: ok, thanks for hints
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# [20:16] <paul> nightly crashes. Is it just me?
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# [20:19] <luto> bugzilla.mozilla.org is the place to report bugs, right?
# [20:19] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [20:19] <luto> okay, I'll give it some more time then :) thanks!
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# [20:26] <Jesse> paul: can you give me a crash id from about:crashes ?
# [20:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f9f58d41eac - Patrick McManus - bug 973207 - revert 905460 for nightly crashes r=backout
# [20:29] <shu> i guess there's your answer
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# [20:36] <Jesse> i've been hitting https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=928168 often enough that i temporarily switched from nightly to aurora
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# [20:40] <mak> reuben: the minimum is that you are corrupting your history...
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# [20:44] <reuben> mak: yeah, at least one of my keyword searches is broken because of my tinkering with places
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# [20:58] <kaie> did you completely remove the add-on bar (former statusbar) in aurora? I cannot find a way to enable it in "view / toolbars" menu.
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# [21:03] <reuben> I heard the latest version of the status 4 ever add-on supports australis
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# [21:04] <kaie> thanks reuben. so it's true. My addon "conspiracy" wants to display additional information. With the status-bar/addon-bar gone, what's the new preferred position to show such information?
# [21:05] <kaie> am I expected to create an overlay that shows my own bar?
# [21:05] <reuben> I don't know
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# [21:17] <bjacob> anyone knows how i can tell firefox and flash to use my second sound card, on linux ?
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# [21:18] * kaie found https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Australis_add-on_compat
# [21:19] <hub> bjacob: you should be able to configure the sound system to use a different device
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# [21:19] <hub> bjacob: through the gnome control panel.
# [21:19] <hub> (or whatever you use)
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# [21:22] <bjacob> hub: actually, thanks! i had tried the kde settings app, but it only seems to affect kde apps; gnome-control-center worked beautifully
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# [21:23] <bjacob> hub: it pains me to say so, but i might switch to gnome... the "work directly with the OS" approach just works better in practice than the "build our own beautiful world " approach of KDE
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# [21:24] <evilpie> ohh wtf b2g https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=beda9fcdf538
# [21:26] <jwatt> taras: ping
# [21:26] <wlach> interesting, had never heard that contrast between gnome and kde before
# [21:26] <jwatt> taras: any idea if nsDocumentViewer::CreateStyleSet is a significant path for startup perf, offhand?
# [21:26] <taras> jwatt: no idea
# [21:27] <bjacob> wlach: it has a lot to do with gnome being basically red hat's desktop, and red hat having that approach of looking at the whole stack
# [21:27] <hub> bjacob: no
# [21:27] <jwatt> taras: ok
# [21:28] <hub> bjacob: to being "red hat's desktop"
# [21:28] <hub> but yes to actually limiting the OS infra choice to better handle it
# [21:28] <hub> Linux isn't about choice ;-)
# [21:28] <bjacob> hub: er, what other distro is focusing on GNOME?
# [21:28] <wlach> redhat certainly has some smart people working for them, it seems
# [21:29] <hub> bjacob: not Fedora either
# [21:29] <hub> Fedora sadly lack focus
# [21:29] <bjacob> hub: i dont mean it's a bad thing :) i'm seriously considering a switch to fedora.
# [21:30] <hub> I use Fedora
# [21:30] <hub> and yes it works great with Gnome
# [21:30] <bjacob> hub: fedora == red hat testing branch, right?
# [21:30] <hub> while it is true that lot of upstream dev do work for RedHat
# [21:30] <hub> bjacob: yes and no.
# [21:31] <hub> this is effectively what they take to make RHEL
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# [21:31] <bjacob> my point is, competent people paid to care for the linux desktop seem to be mostly found at red hat, working on fedora, these days.
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# [21:32] <bjacob> so maybe i should go where they are, and support them a little bit.
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# [21:32] <Ms2ger> bjacob, and the incompetent ones work at ubuntu? :)
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# [21:32] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i'm afraid so (and it pains me --- i've been using ubuntu for 5 years)
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# [21:37] <Gijs> kaie: what kind of additional information do you need to display in your add-on?
# [21:37] <Gijs> (and why?)
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# [21:42] <kaie> Gijs, security conscious users would like to see additional information about the organization that approved the identity of the currently visited website, as they surf along
# [21:43] <Gijs> kaie: what is "additional information" ?
# [21:43] <Gijs> And in particular, how much space does it take?
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# [21:44] <Gijs> And, do they need to see it all the time, or just when the location changes to a different domain?
# [21:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48cd98deecd7 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 966543 - null check mSurface in MacIOSurfaceTextureHostOGL. r=nical
# [21:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6bd01c3b4945 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 966543 - Group implementations in MacIOSurfaceTextureHost. r=nical
# [21:44] <reuben> wait what
# [21:45] <reuben> bjacob: how does gnome work "directly with the OS", compared to KDE?
# [21:45] <Jesse> kaie: did you see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711816
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# [21:46] <kaie> Gijs, per the current design, all the time, because it's showing the recently seen CAs. This covers those used for redirects. Space: dynamic space requirement, potentially a lot horizontal space.
# [21:46] <bjacob> reuben: go to gnome-control-center, select a sound card, it works directly at the alsa (or whatever is the sound system du jour) level, and so Firefox and Flash Player are taking effect. By contrast, do the same in KDE's control center, and only KDE applications are affected.
# [21:46] <kaie> Gijs, look at screenshot in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/conspiracy-107867/
# [21:47] <gaston> bjacob: those days alsa is well hidden by pukeaudio
# [21:47] <Gijs> kaie: "recently seen" for that particular domain, or for the last few sites visited, or...? Like, when does that list change?
# [21:47] <Gijs> kaie: looks like it only changes on navigation...
# [21:47] <bjacob> gaston: right. my point is GNOME works directly with that while KDE abstracts it behind Phonon, and its control center does not affect apps not going through Phonon
# [21:47] <Gijs> kaie: tbh, I suspect it would make more sense to have a single button in the navbar that the user can either click or hover over to see a rich tooltip
# [21:48] <kaie> Gijs, I cannot track for a particular domain. I need to track everything recently seen. Because there could have been an evil cert from an unexpected country that triggered to a redirect.
# [21:48] <Gijs> kaie: and to auto-show that tooltip for ~3-5s whenever the data therein changes
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# [21:48] <kaie> Gijs, I want an add-on that permanently shows it. Disappearing information isn't helping, because you can miss it.
# [21:48] <reuben> hm
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# [21:49] <reuben> bjacob: I see
# [21:49] <Gijs> kaie: how would there be a redirect that you'd miss this way?
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# [21:50] <KWierso|afk> kaie: you could create your own toolbar to host just your addon's content: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/SDK/Low-Level_APIs/ui_toolbar
# [21:51] <Gijs> kaie: I mean, you can create a new toolbar in XUL or the SDK.
# [21:51] <kaie> KWierso|afk, thank you, this is very helpful
# [21:51] <Gijs> kaie: it just seems unnecessary to permanently take up a full horizontal row on my widescreen laptop that doesn't have so much vertical space, just for information where you really only care if something changed.
# [21:52] <kaie> Gijs, whether something is necessary or unnecessary depends on personal opinion. I think it's necessary, and the people who install it probably agree with me.
# [21:53] <kaie> it would change very often, so people would get annoyed. and I want to be able to see it 20 seconds after the page loaded, not just very shortly.
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# [21:53] <kaie> And I don't want to remember having to click somewhere to see it, I want it to be discoverable. That's a matter of taste.
# [21:53] <kaie> so I'll go with the proposal to add my own toolbar
# [21:54] <kaie> statusbar
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# [21:58] <Gijs> kaie: well, at least consider putting your actual UI into a <toolbaritem> and making your extra toolbar customizable="true", so that people can move the widget somewhere else (ie on another toolbar).
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# [21:58] <Gijs> it'd be sad if everybody who has the same taste and writes an add-on decides to add their own non-customizable toolbar...
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# [22:00] <kaie> Gijs, yes, that would be sad. I absolute agree that it would be "wonderful" if there were a general purpose add-on bar where add-on developers could add their items, too. Too sad nobody else has had this idea as of yet.
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# [22:05] <gaston> wasnt it the principle of the addon bar that was removed some releases ago ? :)
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# [22:11] <Gijs> kaie: there are several add-ons that add such a bar. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.
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# [22:13] <KWierso|afk> Gijs: so toolbars should be customizable by default?
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# [22:14] <KWierso|afk> Gijs: or at least have the option?
# [22:14] <Gijs> KWierso|afk: Many add-on authors write code that doesn't work when people remove their items from toolbars.
# [22:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47b135232731 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 970250. Add the ability to set a display port on scroll frames that aren't the root scroll frame to reftests. r=dbaron
# [22:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9a268a4c902b - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 966510. Add reftest.
# [22:14] <KWierso|afk> Gijs: any feedback on bug 966727 before things get locked down?
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# [22:15] <Gijs> The problem with the SDK's toolbar is that it still uses iframes.
# [22:15] <Gijs> those are unmanageable when it comes to the panel, the overflow panel, and even (to some extent) other toolbars, as their heights/styles may vary quite widely, and add-on authors have no way of integrating correctly
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# [22:16] <Gijs> I voiced that concern earlier, and the reply I got was "well, then we'll just make it impossible to customize items out of that toolbar"
# [22:17] <Gijs> I would have preferred that we didn't let add-on authors use iframes, but was told that was non-negotiable.
# [22:17] <Gijs> So here we are.
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# [22:19] <Gijs> KWierso|afk: I mean, one option would be giving add-on authors the requisite handlers to deal with customize mode and the various locations their toolbar items could end up in, but that adds complexity both on the SDK side and on the add-on author's side.
# [22:19] <KWierso|afk> personally, I just want to use the SDK's toolbar module to create a blank toolbar that IS customizable
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# [22:19] <KWierso|afk> with that, a five-line addon could bring back the addon bar for anyone that wants the extra space
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# [22:20] <Gijs> There's already 5 different add-ons that bring back the add-on bar.
# [22:20] <kaie> Gijs, my point is, it would have been better to keep the existing add-on bar, instead of removing it, and instead of everyone having to solve this problem
# [22:20] <Gijs> kaie: I disagree, and 'everyone' is just factually incorrect.
# [22:20] <kaie> s/everyone/many people/
# [22:20] <Gijs> even 'many' people would be incorrect. :)
# [22:21] <Gijs> Speaking as the person who personally tested the top 100 most popular add-ons and a similar quantity of featured add-ons for behaviour when the bar was removed, that's just how it is.
# [22:22] <KWierso|afk> Gijs: admittedly, I'm quite happy with the default australis experience with most things in the panel except for a few things like the home button and bookmarks/downloads
# [22:22] <Gijs> kaie: for a much larger percentage of our users, they have a bar permanently there at the bottom of their screen with just adblockplus in there
# [22:22] <Gijs> that's a crappy experience.
# [22:22] <KWierso|afk> would just be nice to point the "omg australis kills babies" crowd at a 1kb addon that just brings back a customizable addon bar
# [22:22] <Gijs> I'm pretty confident anyone who has a gazillion things in there is also savvy enough to go looking for an add-on that brings it back.
# [22:23] <Gijs> KWierso|afk: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/the-puzzle-piece/ , https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/status-4-evar/
# [22:23] <Gijs> KWierso|afk: I could go on if I searched AMO some more.
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# [22:24] <kaie> KWierso|afk, neither status-4-ever nor the restore-classic enabled an add-on bar that was compatible with my current add-on, so everyone having relied on the former add-on bar will have to adjust their add-on. I agree it would be nice if there were an add-on that simply re-enabled the former add-on bar, while keeping all those add-ons that need it compatible.
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# [22:24] <KWierso|afk> Gijs: well aware of those :)
# [22:24] <Gijs> kaie: it sounds like you had a statusbaritem. We tried to get rid of that in Firefox 4, and warned people that it'd go away 'soon'.
# [22:24] <Gijs> As usual, soon wasn't soon enough.
# [22:25] <Gijs> The reason that no add-on is "just" re-adding the original add-on bar is that you shouldn't.
# [22:25] <Gijs> There's a shim right now
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# [22:25] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [22:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa631f68a4fe - Milan Sreckovic - Bug 972099: Set the value for preference gfx.color_management.force_srgb in the profile, rather than in the JS scripts afterwards, as it's too late by then.
# [22:25] <Gijs> overriding that shim in an add-on will be non-trivial and likely to lead to race conditions and/or bugs.
# [22:25] <firebot> r=ahalberstadt
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# [22:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1bf41db3ca50 - Karl Tomlinson - b=973374 complete speex_resampler_reset_mem r=jmspeex
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# [22:46] <ttaubert> if xul binding extends another binding, is the base binding's constructor called as well? it looks like it
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# [22:47] <ttaubert> *a xul binding
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# [22:48] <Pike> ttaubert: do you want to not have that happen?
# [22:49] <ttaubert> Pike: no, I just want to have confirmed that this happens
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# [22:54] <Pike> ttaubert: it makes sense to me that it would, but I can't find docs indicating either way ad-hoc
# [22:55] <ttaubert> Pike: couldn't find anything either. thx for looking, though. I'll find out using dump() :)
# [22:56] <Pike> smaug or peterv sound like non-US guys that likely know
# [22:56] <ttaubert> Pike: yup, both constructors are calle
# [22:56] <Gijs> ttaubert: interesting question... content doesn't get inherited, IIRC... methods do, I guess (otherwise what would be the point) so I *guess* constructors would, too, but...
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# [22:57] <Gijs> ttaubert: hope that's more reliable than destructors firing (those sometimes don't)
# [22:57] <ttaubert> Gijs: yes it reliably fails :)
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# [22:59] <@smaug> what might I know ?
# [23:00] <@smaug> ah, XBL
# [23:00] <@smaug> yes, IIRC we have explicit code to call parent bindings
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# [23:01] <ttaubert> Gijs: looks like destructors aren't inherited
# [23:01] <ttaubert> smaug: ah ok that might explain it then if we don't have that code for destructors
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# [23:02] <Gijs> ttaubert: that's not at all confusing :(
# [23:03] <Gijs> ttaubert: would you happen to know where I can find a unique identifier for a window?
# [23:04] <ttaubert> Gijs: there is no such thing
# [23:04] <Gijs> really? :(
# [23:04] <Gijs> ttaubert: I'm trying to debug some confusing happenings when you detach a tab from its window...
# [23:04] <ttaubert> Gijs: sessionstore attaches its own IDs
# [23:04] <ttaubert> ah so for a quick debug session
# [23:04] <ttaubert> you could use
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# [23:04] <Pike> xbl vs session store
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# [23:04] <ttaubert> Gijs: window.__SSi
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# [23:05] <Gijs> basically for some time we can't find the content document in the window that we get for it.
# [23:05] <Gijs> and I'm trying to figure out wtf is going on
# [23:05] <Gijs> (that is, we can't find a tab corresponding to the contentDocument)
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# [23:15] <hrw> mjrosenb: --disable-jit was all I needed to build trunk for aarch64 (and 9 patches)
# [23:16] <hrw> froydnj: can you review 963024 patch? it should be final version. I built trunk with it
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# [23:20] <Optimizer> I am trying to do "document.cookie = 'blah=foobar;' from inside an iframe <example.org> embedded in <examplecom> in my test.
# [23:20] <Optimizer> but the cookies are not getting set
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# [23:21] <hrw> for aarch64 there is now only 963024 and 963033 needed when it comes to new code, then few 3rdparty updates (962488 and 810631) and merge of 963026/963030/963032/973306 and we are done
# [23:22] <bagder> yay
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# [23:23] <Optimizer> I know its not possible in normal cases, but how to allow this on just the test
# [23:23] <hrw> and now I am running trunk firefox over transatlantic cables...
# [23:24] <bagder> hrw: =) no local hw?
# [23:24] <hrw> bagder: not yet
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# [23:25] <hrw> bagder: hope to change it sooner rather than later.
# [23:25] <hrw> but probably long months before I will own one
# [23:27] <bagder> still nice to have managed this far without it
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# [23:28] <hrw> bagder: I have access to remote one
# [23:28] <hrw> http://fedorapeople.org/~hrw/aarch64/firefox-aarch64.jpg
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# [23:30] <hrw> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105007947798310229700/posts/ecyfg1b1dYie
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# [23:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/047ac8e24409 - Alessandro Decina - Bug 973379 - GStreamerReader::ReadMetadata()'s element config loop should break on error to avoid timeout. r=edwin
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# [23:34] <till> so, public-canvas-api has just turned into a fun place ...
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# [23:36] <tbsaunde> oh?
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# [23:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9945bc3b7d36 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 969918 - Use decltype to declare pointers for dynamic-loaded functions. r=jimm sr=roc
# [23:38] <heycam> "Warning: interdiff encountered errors while comparing these patches" sigh
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# [23:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b732738b75f8 - Simon Montagu - Fix a hang by using a dedicated state bit instead of overloading NS_FRAME_IS_DIRTY. Bug 964821, r=roc
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