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39. # [00:18] <@njn> Waldo: if I were to hand-fix MFBT to conform to standard Moz style, would you be willing to r+ it?
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43. # [00:19] <Waldo> njn: I thought everyone was unifying all at once or something, or am I desperately far behind on .platform reading?
44. # [00:20] <@njn> Waldo: no, definitely no mass unification planned
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47. # [00:20] <Waldo> njn: it seems worth having JS and mfbt switch simultaneously, since they're similar stylistically
48. # [00:20] <@njn> Waldo: everyone wants tools to do it, but they don't exist
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52. # [00:21] <@njn> Waldo: MFBT is much smaller, and uses its own weird style. I think it's the module where lack of uniformity with standard moz style hurts the most
53. # [00:21] <sicking> jduell: is nsIUDPSocket usable off the main thread?
54. # [00:21] * Waldo thought there was some program like indent that would switch style somewhat simply
55. # [00:21] <sicking> jduell: in the parent process that is
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57. # [00:21] <@njn> Waldo: no. Everyone thinks that because they haven't actually sat down and looked at examples. There's way more to it than just indenting.
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66. # [00:24] <@njn> Waldo: it would save you from having to correct people when they get MFBT style wrong, because nobody knows MFBT style
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70. # [00:26] <Waldo> njn: how far would this changing go? to the extent it would bleed into the very-consistent SpiderMonkey code and disrupt it, that seems not fully ideal
71. # [00:27] <@njn> Waldo: I don't see how SM is relevant here?
72. # [00:27] <@njn> Waldo: I'm just talking about changing mfbt/*.{h,cpp}
73. # [00:27] <Waldo> njn: InterCaps::camelCaps is most definitely relevant
74. # [00:27] <Waldo> or are you not changing naming?
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76. # [00:27] <@njn> Waldo: ok, yes, that would bleed in
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78. # [00:28] <@njn> if it's a problem, perhaps we could ignore that for now
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82. # [00:28] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: ping?
83. # [00:28] <@njn> roc was wondering about allowing function names to start with a lower-case letter anyway, since it's so common in 3rd-party code
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85. # [00:30] <@njn> Waldo: anyway, I can convert a couple of files and r? you; I was mostly just checking that you weren't violently opposed
86. # [00:30] <Waldo> njn: okay, I guess I can go with this, with the caveat that every set of unnecessary braces I see will make me die a little more inside
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89. # [00:30] <Waldo> njn: without the capitalization changes, that is, as you say
90. # [00:31] <@njn> Waldo: you're a big boy, you can handle it
91. # [00:31] <@njn> ok, no caps
92. # [00:31] <Waldo> unnecessary braces are just wrong
93. # [00:31] * @njn thinks Perl got that one right
94. # [00:31] <@smaug> unnecessary braces?
95. # [00:31] * froydnj really wishes mcmerge would auto-assign bugs to him
96. # [00:31] <Waldo> indentation linters solve every issue that unnecessary braces are supposed to avoid
97. # [00:31] <froydnj> no caps, I think
98. # [00:31] <Waldo> smaug: around single statements
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101. # [00:31] <@njn> smaug: Perl requires braces, always
102. # [00:32] <@smaug> didn't we all just learn that braces are needed, even with single lines
103. # [00:32] <@smaug> given the Apple security bug
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105. # [00:32] <Waldo> smaug: the goto fail thing would be caught by an indentation checker, and nobody suggests doing away with those
106. # [00:32] <froydnj> or better static analysis tools
107. # [00:32] <Waldo> the real question is why no indentation checker yet
108. # [00:32] <@njn> Waldo: which TBPL job runs our indentation checker?
109. # [00:32] <froydnj> none of which we run on our code
110. # [00:33] <Waldo> njn: yes, that's a bigger priority than any about of bikeshedding
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112. # [00:33] <Waldo> s/about/amount/
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114. # [00:33] <@njn> you ship code with the tools you have
115. # [00:33] <Waldo> there are plenty of tools to enforce indentation
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117. # [00:33] <@smaug> njn: btw, I didn't remember perl requires braces always (because I use braces always). No wonder I like perl syntax and hate python :)
118. # [00:33] <Waldo> there's no excuse for us not having started using one yet, but instead making a worse choice that is equally unenforced
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123. # [00:35] <froydnj> Cwiiis++
124. # [00:37] <@Cwiiis> ?
125. # [00:37] <froydnj> looking at twitter mobile scrolling stuff
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128. # [00:38] <@Cwiiis> Ah, cool - fingers crossed :)
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133. # [00:40] <jesup> lsblakk: ping
134. # [00:40] <lsblakk> jesup: pong
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138. # [00:42] <jesup> lsblakk: Couple of things - I have one item up for Aurora, and will be putting another up tonight likely (hit central today). Both were regressions in 28, so we'll need to relnote I think (one can be fixed by adding a New about:config pref, the other doesn't usually bother people and Chrome regressed with the same bug for 31 and 32)
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142. # [00:42] <jesup> Thought I should give you a heads-up
143. # [00:42] <lsblakk> jesup: ok - can you flag them with relnote-firefox=?
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145. # [00:42] <lsblakk> that way i will find them when it's time to make those
146. # [00:42] <jesup> sure
147. # [00:42] <lsblakk> ty
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150. # [00:43] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
151. # [00:44] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: what would you say are the odds of https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f8f0091f945c pushing win8 debug m-bc runs over the log limit most of the time?
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193. # [01:03] <db48x> does anyone know where the documentation for the api for adding content scripts is?
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195. # [01:04] <db48x> when I search devmo for 'content script' all I get is stuff about the addon sdk, which I'm not using
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197. # [01:05] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: 80K lines of output, around 5MB? I'd say the odds are pretty darn good
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199. # [01:05] <philor> alas, poor past, he'll have to retrigger on try
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207. # [01:07] <@gavin> db48x: probably will have better luck with "Frame scripts"?
208. # [01:07] <@gavin> I guess there's https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/The_message_manager#Content_scripts
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211. # [01:08] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: so that's a "yes, you should back that out, wes"? :)
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218. # [01:12] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: cast him into the outer darkness, cursed be his name, tell him not to darken our door again, at least not until a few days from now when browser-chrome gets split into three chunks, unless we take the insane approach and only split it on linux
219. # [01:12] <billm> db48x: do you mean https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/The_message_manager ?
220. # [01:12] <philor> um, I mean, back that out, wes
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228. # [01:17] <db48x> billm: ! that's exactly what I'm looking for
229. # [01:17] <billm> great
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231. # [01:17] <db48x> billm: thanks :)
232. # [01:17] <billm> np
233. # [01:17] <db48x> I will edit it to add the words 'content script' to it somewhere
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235. # [01:18] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nsm: ping?
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237. # [01:19] <nsm> KWierso|sheriffduty: ack!
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239. # [01:19] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nsm: this is from your push, yeah? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=35965438&tree=Mozilla-Inbound#error1
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241. # [01:19] <nsm> yes
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244. # [01:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nsm: shall I back it out? :)
245. # [01:20] <nsm> please, thanks!
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247. # [01:22] <nsm> KWierso|sheriffduty: where is that showing up on the main dashboard? the asan build hasn't finished yet as far as i can see
248. # [01:22] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nsm: the following push took your ASAN opt build
249. # [01:22] <KWierso|sheriffduty> and it failed there and on the next one, too
250. # [01:22] <gkw> sewardj: it's ok, thanks!
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252. # [01:23] <nsm> just setting something to nullptr
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279. # [01:34] <jesup> glandium: I should note that Android opt builds weren't affected by that build problem
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493. # [03:47] <billm> Bas: ping
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495. # [03:47] <Bas> billm: pong
496. # [03:47] <billm> Bas: your recent push has some red
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498. # [03:48] <Bas> billm: I doubt it's related to my code, let me check.
499. # [03:48] <Bas> Hmm, it is, some weird gcc specific behavior, I'll have a look./
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501. # [03:48] <billm> thanks
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503. # [03:49] <Bas> ah, warning as error.
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506. # [03:50] <Bas> billm kwierso|sheriffduty: Prefer if I fix or if I backout and reland?
507. # [03:50] <billm> Bas: I can wait ten minutes
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524. # [03:56] <Bas> billm: Linking xul now
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527. # [03:58] <Bas> billm: Let's see, if this doesn't work I'll backout and wait for the eternity of Try :p
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547. # [04:10] <billm> Bas: seems like it worked. thanks.
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553. # [04:19] <Bas> billm: Np, sorry for putting the tree on fire :)
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579. # [04:46] <hub> do we have a way to do conditionals for ipdl?
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585. # [04:48] <mike5w3c> !seen smontagu
586. # [04:49] <mike5w3c> does smontagu frequent irc?
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599. # [04:55] <heycam> mike5w3c, yes, but he's in UTC+2 so you might need to wait a few hours for him to come online
600. # [04:56] <mike5w3c> hi heycam
601. # [04:56] <mike5w3c> ok thanks
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604. # [04:58] <hub> heycam: I thought Paris was still UTC+1 for a few more weeks?
605. # [04:58] <heycam> hub, thought he was in Israel
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608. # [04:59] <glandium> heycam: he is
609. # [05:00] <hub> heycam: oh my bad
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694. # [05:54] <db48x> oh me, me!
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696. # [05:54] <jst> roc: what are you changing?
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698. # [05:55] <@roc> implementing DOMPoint/DOMRect/DOMQuad and some related APIs
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701. # [05:55] <jst> roc: I can have a look, or find someone else if needed
702. # [05:56] <@roc> thanks :-)
703. # [05:56] <jst> np :)
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742. # [06:22] <philor> hmm, b2g+fxaccounts+cyclecollector, I don't think I actually see that test failure
743. # [06:22] <philor> I see nothing, nothing
744. # [06:23] <max> roc: if you're here (or anyone else who sees this this message and knows the answer): I asked in #mobile if Gecko itself provided some sort of mobile-style zoom, where layout and text positioning is pretty much perfectly preserved and told to ask you about it.
745. # [06:23] <max> the old Fennec (not on Android) does it, and presumably FxOS does it too.
746. # [06:23] <@roc> depends on the platform, but yes
747. # [06:25] <max> what are the interfaces?
748. # [06:26] <max> `-moz-transform: scale(2)` produces strange text layout artifacts (lots of spacing) which I don't see with the zoom on an old Fennec build on my N900.
749. # [06:27] <max> though I haven't tried the scale transform on that Fennec build.
750. # [06:27] <max> but I suspect the zoom isn't just that.
751. # [06:27] <@roc> yes, it's a little different
752. # [06:27] <@roc> what are you trying to do?
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755. # [06:28] <max> implement the zoom effect on another browser (Conkeror).
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757. # [06:31] <nalexander> roc: is the term for this "reflow on zoom"
758. # [06:31] <nalexander> ?
759. # [06:31] <max> I think that has to do with repositioning the viewport as you zoom.
760. # [06:32] <max> could be wrong though
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762. # [06:32] <max> ah, it's actually reflowing the text.
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773. # [06:42] <@roc> max so there are two kinds of zooms
774. # [06:42] <@roc> desktop Firefox only supports ctrl-+ and ctrl-- zoom at the moment. We call that "full zoom".
775. # [06:42] <@roc> I guess that's not what you want
776. # [06:43] <@roc> although
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778. # [06:44] <@roc> you might be able to get the effect you want by using full zoom and calling nsDOMWindowUtils::SetCSSViewport to make the viewport bigger
779. # [06:44] <@roc> I'm not sure exactly which effect you want
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783. # [06:54] <max> it's like using a full zoom at the same time as adjusting the page width (assuming at 100% zoom there's no horizontal scrollbar)
784. # [06:54] <max> except doing that also relays out text.
785. # [06:55] <max> er, adjusting the pagewidth so it doesn't appear adjusted to the page (the page will see the same result for document.body.clientWidth afterwards)
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794. # [06:59] <max> but yeah, you can simulate that without modifying the browser by putting the page in a fixed-size iframe, except the text moves around as you zoom in, so words are moved to different lines, you might result in different lines per paragraphs etc
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831. # [07:39] <@njn> wow, I got a "Mozilla-Inbound-Non-PGO - a11y Row Major MozAfterPaint - WINNT 5.1 (ix) - 2.36%" improvement just by modifying the flags used within |mach valgrind-test|.
832. # [07:39] <@njn> spooky action at a distance
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844. # [07:46] <glob> heads up: more bugzilla database issues. there may be a short downtime while things are shifted around
845. # [07:47] <jld> ...wait; I did two try runs and *nothing* broke? In either of them? No inscrutable intermittent timeouts, no "i;r" cases, nothing?
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847. # [07:47] <nigelb> jld: don't worry, all hell will break loose when you land it
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851. # [07:48] <shu> is anyone getting Error: HTTP Error: 500 Internal Server Error
852. # [07:48] <shu> on bzexport?
853. # [07:48] <jld> Yeah, my punishment might be burning the gaia CI or something.
854. # [07:48] <briansmith> shu: bugzilla is borked
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856. # [07:48] <shu> briansmith: ah i see
857. # [07:48] <nigelb> shu: see what glob said above.
858. # [07:48] <shu> nigelb: yes, i see it now, thanks
859. # [07:49] <briansmith> what did he say? it isn't in my scrollback
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861. # [07:49] <nigelb> "heads up: more bugzilla database issues. there may be a short downtime while things are shifted around"
862. # [07:49] <briansmith> ty
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865. # [07:51] <glob> we should be back now
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903. # [08:16] <smontagu> software updater appears to be stuck in the middle with downloading flashplugin-installer
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905. # [08:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning guys
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912. # [08:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm any hg experts here ?
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925. # [08:23] <briansmith> glob: bugzilla is working but updating bugs is REALLY slow.
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927. # [08:24] <glob> briansmith, roger, looking
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930. # [08:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> seems tbpl has also problems marking bugs
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932. # [08:25] <glob> Tomcat|sheriffduty, do you have an error message?
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934. # [08:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
935. # [08:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glob: Bugzilla error submitting bug comment: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction [for Statement "INSERT INTO longdescs (work_time, isprivate, thetext, bug_when, who, bug_id) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?)"] at /data/www/bugzilla.mozilla.org/Bugzilla/Object.pm line 696.
936. # [08:29] <briansmith> glob: I also got that in the bugzilla web UI a couple of times
937. # [08:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ...hm seems you only need to wait and tbpl gives you a useful error message :)
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940. # [08:30] <glob> word from the DBA is this should clear up in 10 minutes or so
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942. # [08:30] <glob> we had a table corrupt itself on the db master, and repair work is underway
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944. # [08:31] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> fine for me (the wait time) :)
945. # [08:31] <jld> ...maybe that was a bad time to hit Save Changes on a mildly epic bug comment.
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950. # [08:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jld: maybe the back button helps and the comment is still there
951. # [08:34] <jld> Tomcat|sheriffduty: The browser is still spinning. Also, I copied the text into an emacs buffer. And a pastebin. (-:
952. # [08:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok cool
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957. # [08:37] <jld> ...and, just like the other times, it timed out but actually posted the comment, and the magic of mid-air collision means I didn't even double-post. All is right with the world.
958. # [08:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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962. # [08:40] <glob> we have to change the database master again; you'll get bugzilla errors for a short period of time
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973. # [08:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm glob not sure if its related to the db changes but seems in some cases the cc list of a bug seems not complete
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975. # [08:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> smontagu: valgrind test now passed \o/
976. # [08:49] <glob> Tomcat|sheriffduty, yeah; i'm seeing that too. sheeri's already investigating. what bug number are you seeing it on?
977. # [08:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glob: bug 789096
978. # [08:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i cc'd myself to smontagu bug when i did the backout
979. # [08:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and so its listed in the bug activity
980. # [08:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but in the cc list i'm somehow missing
981. # [08:50] <smontagu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: \o/, and the next patch passed valgrind on try too
982. # [08:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> (but i seems to get the bugmail for it) so seems its more a visible issue
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984. # [08:51] <glob> Tomcat|sheriffduty, thanks
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987. # [08:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> np
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1030. # [09:15] <nthomas|away> whee, There is no attachment with the id '8389415'.
1031. # [09:15] <nthomas|away> while trying to commit r+ with comment
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1034. # [09:16] <max> I think I've found the thing required for zooming.
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1076. # [09:45] <whimboo> gps: hey. around? problably not
1077. # [09:45] <whimboo> does anyone know what#s wrong with this line?
1078. # [09:45] <whimboo> mach xpcshell-test ../../services/fxaccounts/tests/xpcshell/
1079. # [09:46] <whimboo> the path of xpcshell tests exists but mach claims no test found
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1084. # [09:48] <whimboo> oh, mach cannot be executed from a lower directory
1085. # [09:48] <whimboo> i will file abug
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1124. # [10:15] <RealRaven> firebot: !seen aceman
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1129. # [10:19] <Ms2ger> No firebot
1130. # [10:19] <RealRaven> Neil: ping
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1149. # [10:37] <koderok> eeejay: Hi! I am a final year CSE student. I would like to work on the "speech synthesis for desktop firefox" project for GSOC 2014.
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1223. # [11:27] <Gijs> Sylvestre: hey! I'm about to run out, but I noticed yesterday that bug 978050 hadn't been giving approval - I'm guessing because of the whiteboard I put in to remind myself not to land it too early. But bug 963576 has approval now, too, so I was hoping to land all of them at once. Do you think you could look at that approval request? :)
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1225. # [11:27] <Sylvestre> Gijs, sure
1226. # [11:27] <Gijs> Sylvestre: awesoe, thanks!
1227. # [11:27] <Gijs> *awesome
1228. # [11:28] <Sylvestre> I thought that the whiteboard message was for us :)
1229. # [11:29] <Sylvestre> Anyway, approved
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1231. # [11:29] <Gijs> thanks!
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1233. # [11:30] <Sylvestre> have a nice flight :)
1234. # [11:30] <Ms2ger> Don't disappear
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1236. # [11:31] <janv> that was brutal
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1316. # [12:32] <NeilAway> RealRaven: sorry, where does it mention wrapping on that page?
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1341. # [12:49] <RealRaven> NeilAway: which page?
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1347. # [12:52] <NeilAway> RealRaven: the one you linked to in the bug
1348. # [12:52] <RealRaven> NeilAway: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XUL/Tutorial/Styling_a_Tree
1349. # [12:52] <RealRaven> I thi9nk I linked the wrong page, sorry.
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1351. # [12:52] <RealRaven> THe idea is to wrap the getCellProperties to supply attributes for the style rules to pick up
1352. # [12:53] <RealRaven> it is the only possible way to style individual tree element items that I know of.
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1354. # [12:54] <RealRaven> NeilAway: For instance the addon "color folders" does this successfully. I am not doing it much differently and yet without having the other addons installed as well that influence it that (bold not shown on unread, missing special icons)bug is triggered.
1355. # [12:56] <RealRaven> NeilAway: my main difference is that I have to inject the CSS dynamically as the rules are supplied by my users (as they pick a folder icon from their hard drive). SO hardcoded css files are no good. I have checked the resulting CSS in DOMi and it looks all good.
1356. # [12:56] <RealRaven> Also, when it works, it works :)
1357. # [12:56] <RealRaven> I don't actually understand how my code is much different from his
1358. # [12:57] <RealRaven> I do understand that that last parameter (props) needs to be omitted, but it doesn't make a different with or without
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1588. # [14:46] <RyanVM> jesup: I suspect that the intermittent Android bustage on inbound is needs-clobber from your push
1589. # [14:46] <RyanVM> haven't we hit that scenario before?
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1591. # [14:47] <jesup> RyanVM: I changed one moz.build file, though it was pretty simple. Let me look
1592. # [14:48] <RyanVM> jesup: ISTR needs-clobber bustage from past webrtc upstream updates
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1594. # [14:48] <RyanVM> from added/missing files
1595. # [14:48] <jesup> RyanVM: wasn't there an sqlite landing yesterday? I thought I saw some people discussing
1596. # [14:48] <RyanVM> I think there's even bugs on file for it
1597. # [14:48] <RyanVM> jesup: no
1598. # [14:48] <RyanVM> new release
1599. # [14:48] <RyanVM> not landed
1600. # [14:48] <jesup> ah
1601. # [14:48] <RyanVM> and this bustage is fresh this morning
1602. # [14:48] <jesup> I landed one thing yesterday night (netwerk/sctp/src)
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1604. # [14:50] <jesup> And the night before landed the upstream patch. That shouldn't be showing up on inbound failures now....
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1606. # [14:50] <jesup> and that one didn't add any files or do anything unusual
1607. # [14:51] <jesup> is this bustage teh 8:45 EDT bustage?
1608. # [14:51] <jesup> RyanVM: ^
1609. # [14:51] <RyanVM> and 7:29 below it
1610. # [14:51] <RyanVM> the fact that it's hitting intermittently is what makes me suspect clobber
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1612. # [14:52] <RyanVM> note that armv6 is a unique build and regular 2.2/4.0 opt share the same build
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1614. # [14:53] <RyanVM> so on the 8:45 run, I would suspect the 2.2 opt run will also orange out
1615. # [14:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and seems its also only on inbound
1616. # [14:54] <jesup> All of my patches are on m-c... Weird. When was the last clobber on inbound?
1617. # [14:56] <jesup> and why did 4.0opt M1 @ 8:45 succeed, while it M1 failed on the armv6 M1 @ 7:29?
1618. # [14:56] <bz> How do I run jsreftest locally?
1619. # [14:56] <bz> Can mach do it?
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1621. # [14:57] <bz> Alternately, is there a way I can just set up a test profile in a location of my choice and leave it on disk?
1622. # [14:57] <bz> So I can try running against it?
1623. # [14:57] <RyanVM> jesup: 9:55:35 AM - RyanVM: note that armv6 is a unique build and regular 2.2/4.0 opt share the same build
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1627. # [14:57] <jesup> You can clobber... I don't think this has anything to do with any of my patches, but it may need clobbering for someone else's. When was the first instance?
1628. # [14:58] <jandem> bz: if it's not a browser issue, you could run jsreftests in the shell: js/src/tests/jstests.py $shell
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1630. # [14:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jesup: i guess for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=22d46873261d
1631. # [14:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> that was for jandem's push
1632. # [14:58] <jesup> right, but this seems to affect every test on 7:29 armv6 run, but not M1 on the 4.0 8:45 run
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1634. # [14:58] <RyanVM> firebot: bug 889897
1635. # [14:58] <RyanVM> bz ^ :(
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1637. # [14:59] <jesup> Tomcat|sheriffduty: right after a m-c to m-i merge....
1638. # [14:59] <jesup> So, my guess would be clobber needed for the merge
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1642. # [15:01] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: whatever, I don't think there's much more we're going to do here besides wait
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1644. # [15:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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1653. # [15:03] <bz> jandem: it's _very_ much a browser issue
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1655. # [15:03] <bz> jandem: uneval(window) is involved
1656. # [15:04] <bz> jandem: and it has to be in a profile with the SpecialPowers extension installed, too
1657. # [15:04] <bz> RyanVM: Thanks!
1658. # [15:04] <bz> RyanVM: trying those instructions now
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1665. # [15:07] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: i need to backout bug 518592 from inbound and I'm debating just doing a CLOBBER touch while I'm at it
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1667. # [15:07] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RyanVM: yeah go ahead with the clobber
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1674. # [15:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thanks RyanVM
1675. # [15:11] <RyanVM> I miss firebot
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1677. # [15:12] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: at least there's some sanity in the world that as expected, the 2.2 run on the 8:45 push is also dying
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1687. # [15:15] <@ted> "is there any plan to support a universal toolkit in XUL, like Aura from Google Chrome?"
1688. # [15:15] <RyanVM> oh god
1689. # [15:15] <hub> ted: yeah
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1691. # [15:16] <hub> ted: I thought for a second we were being trolled
1692. # [15:16] <hub> ted: but no. seems to be serious
1693. # [15:16] <@ted> people with some weird viewpoints of the world
1694. # [15:16] <@ted> i recommend disengaging :)
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1698. # [15:17] <hub> short of suggesting "use the qt build" which I believe is unmaintained
1699. # [15:17] <hub> isn't it?
1700. # [15:17] <hub> :-D
1701. # [15:17] <@ted> AFAIK yes
1702. # [15:17] <@ted> it may work, i don't know
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1719. # [15:25] <bz> grrr
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1723. # [15:27] * bz hates trying to debug things that only fail in the test profile
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1725. # [15:27] <bz> Oh, sweet
1726. # [15:27] <bz> we don't support debugging jsreftests anyway
1727. # [15:27] * bz kicks our idiotic harnesses
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1736. # [15:31] <bz> I love it when I have to edit C++ code to even run a test. :(
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1741. # [15:34] <bz> OK
1742. # [15:35] <bz> Is there a way I can get my hands on a packaged-up copy of the specialpowers extension?
1743. # [15:35] <bz> from an objdir?
1744. # [15:35] <armenzg> have people moved into the new MV office yet?
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1746. # [15:36] <armenzg> or it's not yet open
1747. # [15:36] <armenzg> ?
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1760. # [15:39] <catlee> argh, what controls which window firefox will open up a page from the cmdline in?
1761. # [15:39] <catlee> because it's always wrong!
1762. # [15:39] <kaie> Trying to build m-c on fedora 20. If I build using "make -f client.mk", it stops building with error "unknown command o". Something is cutting away the initial "gcc -" from the "gcc -o ..." commands. If I run make manually in the same directory, nothing gets cut off, and the build works fine
1763. # [15:40] <bz> catlee: most recently focused window, I thought
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1768. # [15:41] <catlee> bz: hasn't been working that way on linux for a while
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1771. # [15:43] <kaie> (happens in nsprpub running make -C config export)
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1774. # [15:43] <bz> catlee: huh
1775. # [15:44] <catlee> it's stuck to one particular window
1776. # [15:44] <RyanVM> kaie: is that tip?
1777. # [15:44] <kaie> RyanVM, yes
1778. # [15:44] <RyanVM> I know there was recent bustage related to nsprpub
1779. # [15:44] <RyanVM> but that got backed out
1780. # [15:45] <kaie> RyanVM, ok thanks, updating again
1781. # [15:45] <RyanVM> and should have merged to m-c recently
1782. # [15:45] <kaie> nothing available
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1786. # [15:45] <RyanVM> kaie: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ff5ca7959511 is what I was thinking of
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1788. # [15:45] <RyanVM> clobber?
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1790. # [15:46] <kaie> did already
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1792. # [15:46] <RyanVM> hmm :(
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1801. # [15:51] <nemo> heh. So. Chrome is reinventing XUL now?
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1803. # [15:51] <nemo> (new chrome widget toolkit)
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1809. # [15:54] <@smaug> nemo: isn't that more like gtk
1810. # [15:54] <@smaug> or do they actually use some markup language + js?
1811. # [15:55] <nemo> smaug: I was thinking more. "in browser widget layer" but ok, I guess closer to gtk.
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1814. # [15:56] <jrmuizel> ehsan: https://github.com/jrmuizel/cjpeg.js
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1816. # [15:57] <nemo> smaug: or, maybe more like Java's AWT? :)
1817. # [15:57] <@smaug> nemo: and replacing gtk doesn't sound too surprising
1818. # [15:57] <nemo> smaug: hooray, apps that totally fail to integrate w/ your native experience
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1820. # [15:57] <@smaug> I wonder why they don't use qt
1821. # [15:57] <@smaug> perhaps it is still too heavy
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1823. # [15:58] <nemo> I'm a fan of qt. I don't really get the gtk hate..
1824. # [15:58] <@smaug> qt has great api
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1826. # [15:58] <@smaug> but it at least used to be super heavy
1827. # [15:58] <@smaug> memory usage wasn't good
1828. # [15:58] <nemo> smaug: heh. pot/kettle if chrome is rejecting Qt due to memory usage
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1831. # [15:59] <nemo> smaug: the amount of memory chrome uses on my chromebook compared to Firefox in crouton, is ridiculous
1832. # [15:59] <@smaug> or more likely they just want something they can control
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1834. # [15:59] <nemo> that does seem more likely
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1836. # [15:59] <nemo> and according to pattern
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1838. # [16:00] <nemo> hm. was reading on YC about google glass in ER and got super excited about augmented reality where doctor could see overlays of like scans of the patient matched perfectly to them
1839. # [16:00] <nemo> but is just giving them charts and whatnot
1840. # [16:00] <kaie> RyanVM, I cannot build aurora either, so it's likely something specific to fedora 20
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1844. # [16:02] <RyanVM> ok
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1849. # [16:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm RyanVM some first green results so far
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1853. # [16:05] <nemo> smaug: hey. since you're feeling chatty. I was curious if GGC was any faster on kraken on my machine here... http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml
1854. # [16:05] <nemo> smaug: since AWFY seems to suggest it is
1855. # [16:05] <nemo> smaug: sooo, was wondering. where are the ggc builds on the ftp site?
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1858. # [16:07] <@smaug> nemo: hmm, can't you just pref ggc on
1859. # [16:07] <@smaug> #jsapi would be the right place to ask
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1865. # [16:10] <jesup> smaug: I think they also very much wanted to share OpenGL contexts between tabs (i.e. processes in Chrome), which they couldn't do in GTK (at least not the 2.x version they were using). Especially on Chromebooks
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1867. # [16:10] <nemo> smaug: oh. is it in main now???
1868. # [16:10] <nemo> cool!
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1872. # [16:12] <nemo> smaug: doesn't seem like it...
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1874. # [16:12] <nemo> smaug: thought I'd also try it on some demos that have been stuttery in the past
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1876. # [16:13] <nemo> smaug: ggc would improve my experience by avoiding those pauses right?
1877. # [16:14] <@smaug> nemo: which pauses
1878. # [16:14] <nemo> smaug: you've never noticed that?
1879. # [16:14] <nemo> huh. lemme see if I can find one
1880. # [16:15] <@smaug> nemo: there is some jank, sure
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1882. # [16:15] <@smaug> but those aren't usually from gc
1883. # [16:15] <@smaug> nor from cc
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1885. # [16:15] <@smaug> at least in my setup they are these days about 90% time from layout
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1892. # [16:17] <nemo> smaug: ah. they were relatively infrequent, but persistent, like every 15s or so, so I figured gc
1893. # [16:17] <@smaug> ahaa
1894. # [16:17] <@smaug> could be gc or cc then
1895. # [16:17] <@smaug> nemo: did you see any leaks?
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1897. # [16:18] <nemo> smaug: I'm poking around. happened on some webgl demos. I figured they were object heavy ones
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1899. # [16:18] <nemo> trying to find one now
1900. # [16:18] <nemo> smaug: like, the emscripten box2d was well-behaved, but not this other box2d I found
1901. # [16:18] <@smaug> oh, in such case. Very different to what I do
1902. # [16:18] <nemo> so far my google-fu is pretty fail
1903. # [16:18] <nemo> but I saw it on a fair number of webgl pages
1904. # [16:19] <nemo> so I'm just going to keep trying demos until I hit it
1905. # [16:19] <nemo> and using my mac, since my linux machine has "meh" gfx
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1907. # [16:19] <@smaug> gc is still incremental even without ggc...
1908. # [16:19] <nemo> smaug: ok. I thought you guys kinda "froze" the graph while you crawled over it
1909. # [16:19] <nemo> total misunderstanding then
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1911. # [16:20] <@smaug> nemo: really need a testcase
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1913. # [16:20] <@smaug> it could be also cc
1914. # [16:20] <@smaug> which isn't incremental atm
1915. # [16:20] <@smaug> (but it will be soon, and there is a pref for that)
1916. # [16:21] <froydnj> ttaubert: ping
1917. # [16:21] <@smaug> dom.cycle_collector.incremental
1918. # [16:21] <ttaubert> froydnj: pong
1919. # [16:21] <nemo> smaug: hm. was gc not incremental once upon a time?
1920. # [16:21] <froydnj> ttaubert: do you have a moment to answer a question about a sessionstore test?
1921. # [16:21] <@smaug> igc was enabled around FF16 IIRC
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1923. # [16:21] <ttaubert> froydnj: sure
1924. # [16:21] <nemo> mm
1925. # [16:22] <froydnj> ttaubert: so in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_480148.js#47
1926. # [16:22] <froydnj> ttaubert: the test is expecting the tabs to be restored in a certain order
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1928. # [16:22] <froydnj> ttaubert: what bits of the sessionstore code guarantee that ordering?
1929. # [16:22] <@smaug> nemo: but need a testcase or profile
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1932. # [16:23] <froydnj> ttaubert: it looks like the sessionstore state for every test has the tabs in 0, 1, 2, ... order
1933. # [16:24] <ttaubert> froydnj: yeah because they're pinned
1934. # [16:24] <ttaubert> froydnj: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/sessionstore/src/SessionStore.jsm#3462
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1936. # [16:24] <ttaubert> the priority queue determines in which order we restore tabs
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1939. # [16:25] <froydnj> ttaubert: hm, ok
1940. # [16:25] <froydnj> ttaubert: thanks for the pointer!
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1945. # [16:28] <ttaubert> froydnj: sure! what are you working on btw that affects the restoration order?
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1948. # [16:29] <froydnj> ttaubert: per-window event queues (bug 715376) seems to always return the tabs in 0, 1, 2, 3... order
1949. # [16:29] <froydnj> ttaubert: I cannot figure out why
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1952. # [16:30] <ttaubert> froydnj: interesting. do I need to apply all 7 parts to test?
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1956. # [16:30] <froydnj> ttaubert: the patches in the bug are probably obsolete; I could post new patches if you wanted to take a crack at it
1957. # [16:31] <ttaubert> froydnj: that would be great, yeah
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1959. # [16:31] <froydnj> ttaubert: I think it's something weird with async messages...not sure yet
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1977. # [16:46] <Mossop> philor: Was it just the one failure that caused you to back out bug 982379. I.e. now I've backed that change out can we go ahead and try to uplift again?
1978. # [16:46] <philor> Mossop: yep, that was it
1979. # [16:46] <Mossop> Ok, thanks
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1983. # [16:46] <philor> Mossop: wait
1984. # [16:46] <nalexander> philor: do you have any additional info on the clobbers needed last night?
1985. # [16:47] <philor> Mossop: tip of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Jetpack still has the same new-flavor failure
1986. # [16:47] <philor> nalexander: nope, just the walls of orange on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1988. # [16:48] <Mossop> philor: I only just backed out, it'll show up there shortly and once it's green we'll go ahead
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1991. # [16:48] <philor> oh, I saw the word "Revert" and thought I didn't have to read all those other words :)
1992. # [16:48] <nalexander> philor: okay, thanks.
1993. # [16:48] <botond> Who maintains firebot? I miss him. (Her? It?)
1994. # [16:49] <Mossop> Wolf
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2003. # [16:52] <bz> Is there a reason bug 787390 doesn't have a TM set?
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2006. # [16:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: because zer0 didn't set it when he resolved it?
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2022. # [17:00] <Bas> bsmedberg: Who's mainly responsible for IPDL these days?
2023. # [17:00] <@bsmedberg> Bas: bent, mrbkap, myself
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2025. # [17:01] <bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: :(
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2031. # [17:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: given that it was landed upstream, it's not surprising IMO
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2033. # [17:03] <Bas> bsmedberg: Okay, so let me run this idea by you. Insider layers we're running into the desire to share small segments between processes for synchronization (i.e. an atomic int, for example), at the moment this means for each of these we do an AllocShmem, which takes a whole page. My suggestion is to add a ShmemSection.h class to IPC, which basically holds a shmem, and an offset, and has the...
2034. # [17:03] <Bas> ...ParamTraits to send that data over the IPC bridge. Custom code (in this case Layers) could then implement an allocator based on that that could allocate multiple of these using a single shmem.
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2036. # [17:03] <Bas> I hope I made sense.
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2038. # [17:04] <@bsmedberg> Bas: for synchronization!? I definitely think that if this is an important case
2039. # [17:04] <@bsmedberg> we ought to just expose CrossProcessAtomic or something directly
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2043. # [17:05] <Bas> bsmedberg: Do we have a CrossProcessAtomic? Currently we just have our own little implementation and currently it uses a shmem(i.e. a page) per Atomi.
2044. # [17:05] <Bas> Which is wasteful :)
2045. # [17:05] <Bas> Since we have a couple of dozen of them at any given time.
2046. # [17:05] <Bas> (Also a waste of File descriptors)
2047. # [17:06] <@bsmedberg> Bas: I'm trying to understand why we need/have this thing at all...
2048. # [17:06] <@bsmedberg> what are the atomic ints doing?
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2051. # [17:07] <Bas> bsmedberg: They're tracking whether the host side is done uploading a buffer (essentially functioning as a readlock). If it is we can re-use that shmem on the client side to draw into (99% of the time), if it isn't we need to copy that buffer into a new buffer and draw into that (much more expensive0
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2055. # [17:08] <Bas> bsmedberg: Longer term we want to do this with a cross-process condvar since that would allow some additional optimizations, but essentially it would still require small bits of shared memory, so run into the same sort of wastage issues.
2056. # [17:08] <Bas> (Like CrossProcessMutex does right now on POSIX)
2057. # [17:09] <@bsmedberg> Bas: ok I'm probably not the right person to be answering this, so dev.platform it
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2059. # [17:09] <@bsmedberg> Bas: I'm pretty skeptical of the security and non-blockingness of the things you're describing, though!
2060. # [17:09] <Bas> bsmedberg: No time really, we have only a couple of days to fix this, we need it for B2G :)
2061. # [17:10] <Bas> bsmedberg: Would you explain to be why that is? :)
2062. # [17:10] <Bas> s/be/me/
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2064. # [17:10] <@bsmedberg> I can't now, no. If you need something in the nxt few days you need to grab bent.
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2066. # [17:11] <bz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15316601/why-is-git-pull-considered-harmful
2067. # [17:11] <@bsmedberg> Sounds like a misbehaving child could intentionally lock up a parent, which shouldn't ever be possible.
2068. # [17:11] <bz> That is why git sucks so much
2069. # [17:11] <bz> The short ways of doing stuff are the _wrong_ ways of doing it...
2070. # [17:11] <bz> And the right ways are totally nonintuitive at best
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2073. # [17:11] <mccr8> yeah I do wish I could disable git pull. ;)
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2076. # [17:12] <Bas> bsmedberg: No, it couldn't, these are just atomic increments and decrements (i.e. the 'lock' is atomic), we -never- block on anything.
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2078. # [17:12] <Bas> bsmedberg: We simply use it to figure out if we can read, or if we can read -and- write on a buffer.
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2093. # [17:16] <jcranmer> bz: the other problem with git is the people who treat any complaint that what it does is wrong with the response "you're using git wrong"
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2096. # [17:17] <bz> jcranmer: well, sure
2097. # [17:17] <jcranmer> look at the second answer
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2111. # [17:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: always sad when the simple command is doing it wrong
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2114. # [17:24] <hub> some of the problem with git are bad default.
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2116. # [17:24] <hub> for example git pull shoud rebase by default
2117. # [17:24] <hub> or to neither rebase nor merge
2118. # [17:25] <hub> which is in the end git fetch
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2129. # [17:32] <Bas> bent: Hi BenT!
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2145. # [17:37] <bent> Bas, hi
2146. # [17:37] <bent> what's up?
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2206. # [18:07] <myk> are there any known issues with xcode 5.1?
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2212. # [18:12] <gw280> ehsan: so my patch fails on try :)
2213. # [18:12] <gw280> ehsan: I'll fix that up though
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2222. # [18:16] <st3fan> do we have any targets that are big endian
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2224. # [18:16] <st3fan> ?
2225. # [18:17] <froydnj> none of our tier-1 platforms are
2226. # [18:17] <froydnj> some people (gaston, e.g.) build for powerpc and sparc
2227. # [18:19] <st3fan> do we have any way to test on those platforms?
2228. # [18:20] <froydnj> not unless you have access to one (via e.g. the gcc compile farm) or you are running qemu
2229. # [18:20] <froydnj> why do you need a big-endian machine, out of curiousity?
2230. # [18:20] <st3fan> i've been reviewing some code which i think may have endian issues
2231. # [18:21] <froydnj> always fun to do that
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2233. # [18:21] <st3fan> it is easy to write a test, but i have no place to run the test :)
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2237. # [18:24] <froydnj> what's the code, out of curiousity?
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2251. # [18:28] <evilpie> which hashtable can I use in Gecko code?
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2264. # [18:32] <jld> Are we supposed to be calling the GeckoChildProcessHost dtor on a non-main thread?
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2268. # [18:34] <jld> Sigh. I need, like, double-free protection for waitpid.
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2271. # [18:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> past: nice debugging work :)
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2274. # [18:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> past: what I like about that finding is that it could also be lending some insight into the cross-tree nature of it
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2276. # [18:38] <past> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I also found out today about another bug where tegras weren't cleaning up properly or something, and I wonder if there was some automation fix that we are missing on the Win 8.1 slaves as well
2277. # [18:38] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we actually fixed a tegra cleanup bug the other day
2278. # [18:38] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that was causing frequent mochitest-8 failures
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2280. # [18:39] <past> do you think that there could be a similar problem in this case?
2281. # [18:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dunno
2282. # [18:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that's why I needinfo'd catlee
2283. # [18:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I thought the profile was cleaned up between runs
2284. # [18:39] <past> oh, excellent
2285. # [18:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but it could also be tons of crap just accumulating during the run
2286. # [18:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> which would a) be alleviated by chunking
2287. # [18:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and b) is concerning in its own right
2288. # [18:40] * RyanVM|sheriffduty wonders if tests are doing a poor job cleaning up after themselves
2289. # [18:40] <jhopkins> vlad: did you end up creating a VM for yourself re: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978966#c12 ?
2290. # [18:40] <catlee> RyanVM|sheriffduty: tests usually do't clean up well
2291. # [18:40] <catlee> also, if they're interrupted for any reason...
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2293. # [18:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> speaking of which, philor: how are we feeling feeling about declaring victory on bug 968200 at this point?
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2295. # [18:41] <past> RyanVM|sheriffduty: catlee: most files have names like _XsjUTM0.test.part
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2298. # [18:41] <past> dunno what they are though
2299. # [18:41] <catlee> sounds like download tests
2300. # [18:41] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ~
2301. # [18:42] <philor> it's not like we would know if they are building up again
2302. # [18:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: i have no problem with waiting for the rest of the week as more come out of recovery
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2304. # [18:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but no failures since it landed sure looks promising :)
2305. # [18:42] <@ehsan> gw280: the unified builds patch?
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2307. # [18:42] <evilpie> khuey: thanks
2308. # [18:42] <@khuey> evilpie: hmm?
2309. # [18:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: ^ fwiw :)
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2312. # [18:42] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ?
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2314. # [18:43] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> no bidi failures since the cleanup patch landed
2315. # [18:43] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: there isn't going to be a correct and proper time to close it, since correct and proper would be after the test has run however many thousand times on a slave which hasn't had its card reflashed, so now is as good a time as any
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2317. # [18:44] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah, I wanted to take out the debugging patch and close the bug this morning, but the tree was closed ;)
2318. # [18:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lol
2319. # [18:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's open now!
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2323. # [18:45] <@ehsan> cool, landing
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2329. # [18:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> catlee: past: anyway, it sounds like the first question that needs answering is what we do in between runs on the slaves. If that answer is that we clean the profile, then we should probably go after the badly behaving tests.
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2339. # [18:51] <past> agreed
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2341. # [18:51] <bz> Which tags cause comments to be auto-collapsed?
2342. # [18:51] <bz> Just [spam], or something else?
2343. # [18:51] <@gavin> I think there are others
2344. # [18:51] <@gavin> "inaccurate" maybe?
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2348. # [18:52] * bz wonders how to find out
2349. # [18:52] <bz> in this case it's "commented on wrong bug"
2350. # [18:52] <bz> "irrelevant"?
2351. # [18:52] <bz> "obsolete" exists, but...
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2361. # [18:57] * bz wonders how to experiment with this sort of thing
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2364. # [18:58] <kats> bz: spam, obsolete, and typo
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2366. # [18:58] <bz> kats: how did you find that?
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2368. # [18:58] * bz marks it obsolete
2369. # [18:58] <kats> bz: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/D2ZdDcokssM/6YPx3YZ9nuYJ
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2371. # [18:59] <bz> Aha, thanks
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2394. # [19:07] <KWierso> bz: attachments showing as attached in the comments area, but not listed under "attachments"
2395. # [19:07] <KWierso> etc
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2399. # [19:09] <gozala> bz: ping
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2404. # [19:10] <bz> KWierso: ah, ok
2405. # [19:10] <bz> gozala: ack
2406. # [19:10] <gozala> bz: let’s take it to pm
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2408. # [19:12] <surkov> khuey: can you update me pls on bug 982212? any timeline?
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2436. # [19:34] <gaston> st3fan: you can cc me on the bug or send me patches, there's also steve singer doing powerpc stuff
2437. # [19:34] <gaston> i can try stuff on sparc64, and eventually on ppc
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2445. # [19:40] <st3fan> gaston, ok, i will have to create a specific test first that would confirm those endianess issues .. but i'll make sure to do that
2446. # [19:41] <st3fan> too bad i dont have any of my old Sparcs or Macs anymore! :)
2447. # [19:41] <Dwight_Stegall> same here
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2453. # [19:43] <st3fan> i still have a Mac 512K but that would require a LOT of floppies hahaha
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2456. # [19:43] <Dwight_Stegall> time for pizza
2457. # [19:44] <gaston> st3fan: i'm talking to you from a macmini ppc 1.5ghz .. and i have access to a bunch of sun v2xx for sparc64 :)
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2460. # [19:45] <st3fan> \o/
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2468. # [19:46] <gaston> (i also have sgi, hppa, alpha, ......)
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2477. # [19:50] <TheOne> are there any guidelines for creating a svn patch?
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2480. # [19:51] <dholbert> TheOne, probably depends on the SVN repository you want it to be committed to
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2482. # [19:52] <TheOne> dholbert: the localized "get-involved" mail autoresponders
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2484. # [19:52] <TheOne> I guess I just attach the new txt files to a bug
2485. # [19:53] <dholbert> TheOne, svn diff is probably preferred, I'd imagine
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2487. # [19:53] <dholbert> TheOne, I'd suggest checking the svn log and asking someone else who's committed there in the past, for more details
2488. # [19:53] <TheOne> dholbert: hm, it's a complete rewrite...
2489. # [19:53] <TheOne> ok will do, thanks
2490. # [19:54] <dholbert> TheOne, (generally, a diff is still a good idea even in the case of a complete rewrite, because it catches the situation where someone else changes something out from under you)
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2492. # [19:55] <dholbert> TheOne, (in which case the patch will fail to apply, which indicates that some human consideration is needed RE whether the other changes should be stomped on or not)
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2494. # [19:55] <TheOne> dholbert: good point
2495. # [19:56] <dholbert> TheOne, (raw text files may be easier from a review perspective, though; if the diff is unreadable, you can always post both on the bug)
2496. # [19:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> past: ping
2497. # [19:57] <past> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
2498. # [19:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> past: do you have a link handy to one of the green runs?
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2500. # [19:58] <past> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I have a link to one of the Full logs, if that's what you need
2501. # [19:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yes
2502. # [19:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> wondering what the path is to all those .part files
2503. # [19:59] <past> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=35974106&tree=Fx-Team&full=1
2504. # [19:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> thanks
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2506. # [19:59] <past> np
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2513. # [20:00] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> past: does DBG-FRONTEND: profileDir: ++5SlE0o.test.part mean they're all in the root of the profile dir?
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2523. # [20:02] <past> RyanVM|sheriffduty: this is actually a sibling of the profile dir
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2525. # [20:02] <past> the code tries to find a special profile directory, so it enumerates its parent dir
2526. # [20:02] <KWierso> RyanVM|sheriffduty: want me to back out your push of pbrosset's patch on fx-team for bc bustage?
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2529. # [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: was just about to look
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2544. # [20:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: ping
2545. # [20:11] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, pong
2546. # [20:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> have a weird reftest question fo you
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2548. # [20:11] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, ok
2549. # [20:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> somehow, this push: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/b2b8ba047803 made a font-face test start unexpectedly passing on Android
2550. # [20:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36014325&tree=Fx-Team
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2553. # [20:13] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, I have no idea why that would be the case, if that's your question. :)
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2555. # [20:14] <rnewman> that makes two of us
2556. # [20:14] <rnewman> proposal: mark the test as expecting to pass
2557. # [20:15] <dholbert> I concur
2558. # [20:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i mean, the screenshot looks OK
2559. # [20:15] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, FWIW, it looks like no one ever investigated why it failed
2560. # [20:16] <dholbert> yeah
2561. # [20:16] <dholbert> Also, comparing the testcase to the reference case, they're near-identical except for some stuff in the testcase that's presumably not supposed to render
2562. # [20:16] * pmoore is now known as pmoore|coffee
2563. # [20:16] <dholbert> ...so this isn't a case of "the reference case is now broken to look like the testcase"
2564. # [20:17] <rnewman> dholbert, RyanVM|sheriffduty: could one of you two take care of enabling the affected test?
2565. # [20:17] <dholbert> Also, looks like nobody ever knew (or got around to investigating) why it failed on android in the first place
2566. # [20:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> benvie: You've got real Gu bustage on fx-team
2567. # [20:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> rnewman: yup
2568. # [20:17] <rnewman> ta
2569. # [20:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: very reassuring :P
2570. # [20:17] <dholbert> the reftest was disabled in a mega-disabling in http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/378591d78e00
2571. # [20:17] <dholbert> back when we first started testing android
2572. # [20:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it didn't start passing anywhere else, so I don't think it's infra-related either
2573. # [20:18] <dholbert> on other branches, you mean?
2574. # [20:18] <@ted> "you accidentally fixed a bug"
2575. # [20:18] <dholbert> odd
2576. # [20:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: yes
2577. # [20:18] <dholbert> very odd
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2600. # [20:29] <gw280> ehsan: ydah
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2602. # [20:29] <@ehsan> gw280: yeah, you might need to blacklist more files for other platforms, etc
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2604. # [20:30] <gw280> ehsan: yep
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2629. # [20:40] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: xpcshell orange on fx-team
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2642. # [20:45] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: looking
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2644. # [20:46] * jld pushes to try with a bunch of debug printfs. Because nothing else is working.
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2651. # [20:50] <jesup> jld: the one true debug method
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2653. # [20:50] <kats> except if try truncates the output
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2655. # [20:51] <jesup> kats: compress then uuencode each line of output!
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2658. # [20:51] <kats> hah
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2660. # [20:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: though it looks like benvie's push blew up the world in general
2661. # [20:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so might be hard to judge where we're at until the backout cycles through
2662. # [20:53] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: no I think I actually forgot to update a test. currently building to run xpcshell locally before pushing the fix
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2718. # [21:24] <bz> How can I see a raw diff for something like https://github.com/Gozala/addon-sdk/commit/886fd102be4cfc727b09ae97b056b6d6262a8012 ?
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2720. # [21:25] <@gavin> bz: add ".diff"
2721. # [21:25] <@gavin> bz: https://github.com/Gozala/addon-sdk/commit/886fd102be4cfc727b09ae97b056b6d6262a8012.diff
2722. # [21:25] <@gavin> or .patch
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2724. # [21:26] <bz> gavin: thanks!
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2726. # [21:26] <mwu> RyanVM|afk: going to be checking in a jb only change - lemme know if the jb emulator is somehow affected
2727. # [21:26] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bz: add ".patch" to the end of the url
2728. # [21:26] <BenWa> KWierso|sheriffduty: Can I get a ping once the inbound tree re-opens?
2729. # [21:27] <@gavin> KWierso|sheriffduty: too slow
2730. # [21:27] <BenWa> gavin: They really need a qui button for that
2731. # [21:27] * bz mutters about hard to apply patches
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2733. # [21:27] <KWierso|sheriffduty> BenWa: sure
2734. # [21:28] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gavin: I blame comcast
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2736. # [21:28] <jesup> You should always blame comcast
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2738. # [21:28] <jesup> FiOS++
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2745. # [21:29] <KWierso|sheriffduty> terrence-flu: ping
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2749. # [21:31] <KWierso|sheriffduty> and/or myk: ping
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2751. # [21:31] <bz> jesup: Indeed
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2753. # [21:31] <bz> jesup: Now if only it were actually available everywhere....
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2756. # [21:33] <zwol> fricking JavaScript.
2757. # [21:33] <bz> zwol: You used == again? ;)
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2759. # [21:34] <zwol> bz: no, this is more subtle
2760. # [21:34] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
2761. # [21:34] <zwol> it is a long story, but I am trying to find a way to dump out a list of really, seriously *all* the globals available inside a sandbox.
2762. # [21:34] <zwol> and none of the obvious techniques work.
2763. # [21:34] <bz> hmm
2764. # [21:35] <bz> By "globals" you mean properties of the global object?
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2766. # [21:35] <KWierso|sheriffduty> terrence-flu: could your patch from bug 969012 have broken mochitest-3 and dromaeojs like this? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36018221&tree=Mozilla-Inbound ... https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36018233&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2767. # [21:35] <bz> Ignoring for the moment implementation bugs, a combination of getOwnPropertyNames and getPrototypeOf should work....
2768. # [21:35] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: oh, probably
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2770. # [21:35] <KWierso|sheriffduty> seem to be windows-exclusive failures
2771. # [21:35] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: I'll backout and do a full try run to make sure
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2773. # [21:36] <KWierso|sheriffduty> terrence-flu: thanks
2774. # [21:36] <bz> (but there might in fact be implementation bugs)
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2776. # [21:36] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: oh, that is odd...
2777. # [21:36] <bz> zwol: ^
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2779. # [21:36] <myk> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
2780. # [21:36] <zwol> hm
2781. # [21:36] <zwol> getPrototypeOf is probably what I am missing
2782. # [21:36] <KWierso|sheriffduty> myk: see my questions to terrence-flu up there ^
2783. # [21:37] <KWierso|sheriffduty> your push's builds got coalesced into his, so the tests didn't run on your stuff
2784. # [21:37] <bz> zwol: Or if you're willing to be quick-and-dirty, just foo.__proto__
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2786. # [21:37] <zwol> bz: also, many of these things mysteriously turn into nulls when stuck into the properties of an object which is then accessed from outside the sandbox.
2787. # [21:37] <myk> KWierso|sheriffduty: hmm, my changes seem highly unlikely to have caused those problems
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2790. # [21:38] <zwol> bz: i'm not sure if that is actually a problem for me, yet.
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2794. # [21:39] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: pushed and updated the bug
2795. # [21:39] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: thanks for the heads up
2796. # [21:39] <KWierso|sheriffduty> thanks for the backout :)
2797. # [21:39] <KWierso|sheriffduty> myk: unping
2798. # [21:39] <myk> KWierso|sheriffduty: unpong ;-)
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2801. # [21:40] <KWierso|sheriffduty> terrence-flu: possibly not windows exclusive. Mac seems fine, linux hasn't finished yet
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2804. # [21:40] <KWierso|sheriffduty> terrence-flu: but dromaeo did finish on linux and failed similarly to the windows fails
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2806. # [21:41] <bz> zwol: odd
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2809. # [21:42] <zwol> bz: er, actually it appears that obj[key] is returning undefined
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2811. # [21:42] <zwol> for (let key of Object.getOwnPropertyNames(obj)) {
2812. # [21:42] <zwol> console.log(key, JSON.stringify(obj[key]));
2813. # [21:42] <zwol> }
2814. # [21:42] <bz> I mean, that can happen
2815. # [21:43] <zwol> prints things like "Object undefined"
2816. # [21:43] <bz> The value could in fact be undefined
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2818. # [21:46] <bz> er, wait
2819. # [21:46] <bz> So key was "Object"
2820. # [21:46] <bz> but obj[key] is undefined?
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2824. # [21:48] <zwol> nrgh. No. JSON.stringify() lies.
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2827. # [21:48] <bz> zwol: lovely
2828. # [21:50] <Waldo> zwol: elucidate!
2829. # [21:50] <zwol> bz, waldo: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/4566308
2830. # [21:50] <zwol> paste that into a console
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2833. # [21:51] <zwol> observe for instance what is printed for things like "constructor" and "toString"
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2835. # [21:52] <Waldo> I get "constructor" "function Object() {\n [native code]\n}"
2836. # [21:52] <Waldo> mutatis mutandis for toString
2837. # [21:52] <Waldo> this is in a web console
2838. # [21:52] <Waldo> for that pastebin URL
2839. # [21:52] <Waldo> zwol: ^
2840. # [21:52] <zwol> yeah, but see the "undefined" after that bit?
2841. # [21:52] <zwol> it's comparing toString with JSON.stringify
2842. # [21:53] <Waldo> zwol: that's the output of console.log(key, obj[key].toString(), JSON.stringify(obj[key])); ?
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2845. # [21:53] <zwol> yah hang on lemme make there be less junk
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2847. # [21:53] <Waldo> zwol: JSON.stringify censors function objects into undefined by spec
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2850. # [21:54] <Waldo> rather, it censors any value where Type(value) is Object, it's not a Number/Boolean/String object, and IsCallable(value) into undefined
2851. # [21:54] <zwol> hm, ok, and i guess nearly everything - like Object itself - is in fact a constructor and therefore a function
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2853. # [21:55] <Waldo> zwol: suffice to say JSON.stringify is not the proper tool for arbitrary serializations
2854. # [21:55] <zwol> arbitrary serialization is not really what i want anyway
2855. # [21:56] <Waldo> even serializations including functions aren't supported by JSON
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2857. # [21:57] <zwol> *really* what I want is the ability to load arbitrary code (generated at runtime) as-if it were an Add-on-SDK module, but the SDK doesn't support that, and the amount of kludge required to get close enough has been growing all afternoon. :-/
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2863. # [21:59] <Bas> bsmedberg: If I send a shmem over an IPC bridge several times, and keep them all alive, the memory is only mapped into the address space once, correct?
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2867. # [22:00] <@bsmedberg> I don't know
2868. # [22:00] <Bas> Okay :)
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2886. # [22:06] <dholbert> Huh; today, when my debug build crashes, the "Sleeping for 300 seconds." [to let me attach a debugger] only sleeps for ~1 second
2887. # [22:07] <dholbert> anyone else run into that recently? (wondering if it's a regression)
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2896. # [22:12] <tbsaunde> dholbert: I might have
2897. # [22:13] <shu> dholbert: that's been happening to me for a while
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2900. # [22:13] <tbsaunde> johns: you own git-bz now right? any idea how hard it would be to support f? in it?
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2903. # [22:14] <johns> tbsaunde: It supports it now doesn't it?
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2905. # [22:14] <johns> tbsaunde: The "Feedback: " lines in git-bz attach -e
2906. # [22:14] <tbsaunde> johns: well, the template doesn't show it, but I don't know that i've tried
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2908. # [22:15] <tbsaunde> oh, maybe I'm running an old git-bz...
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2910. # [22:15] <johns> tbsaunde: Yeah it moved a few times, the current moz fork is https://github.com/mozilla/git-bz-moz
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2925. # [22:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nmatsakis: ping
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2927. # [22:21] <nmatsakis> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
2928. # [22:21] * nmatsakis has a sinking feeling
2929. # [22:21] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nmatsakis: looks like you broke something: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36020170&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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2933. # [22:22] <nmatsakis> KWierso|sheriffduty: so..it does
2934. # [22:23] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nmatsakis: shall I back you out? and both patches?
2935. # [22:23] <@dbaron> bz, I'd prefer not to mark comments from authors expressing frustration as "spam" in bugzilla
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2937. # [22:23] <nmatsakis> KWierso|sheriffduty: sure, that's probably just the fault of the 1st, but might as well do both
2938. # [22:23] <nmatsakis> just incase
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2941. # [22:25] <bz> dbaron: That seems fair
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2945. # [22:25] <bz> dbaron: Most of the ones on that bug that were thus marked should not have been
2946. # [22:26] <bz> dbaron: the one I re-marked is a pretty blatant violation of the etiquette guidelines....
2947. # [22:26] <bz> dbaron: But I can see how in the case of this bug that might have been warranted
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2952. # [22:28] <bz> dbaron: btw, I'll file an HTML spec bug
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3035. # [22:55] <KWierso|sheriffduty> terrence-flu: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36022189&tree=Mozilla-Inbound this was from you, too, right?
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3044. # [22:56] <@njn> is Tree Style Tabs broken for anyone else? It's not working for me today with a trunk build... the same trunk build from yesterday that was working.
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3054. # [22:58] <sfink> "we" ought to write some TST tests and put them in the tree
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3065. # [23:01] <@njn> sfink: but I didn't even change anything :(
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3074. # [23:06] <dholbert> shu, tbsaunde: looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979069 is tracking the failing-to-sleep-after-crash issue
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3082. # [23:11] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: that's the arm build?
3083. # [23:11] <KWierso|sheriffduty> yeah
3084. # [23:11] <KWierso|sheriffduty> it went green on your backout, so I'm going to blame you :)
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3089. # [23:12] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: I ran that one locally and didn't hit issues... this is probably going to be annoying to track down :-(
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3091. # [23:12] <terrence-flu> KWierso|sheriffduty: but to answer your question, yes, it's mostly likely my push
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3113. # [23:20] <glandium> ouch https://lwn.net/Articles/590433/
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3121. # [23:25] <hub> yeah
3122. # [23:25] <hub> glandium: I wonder how it apply to our b2g phones
3123. # [23:26] <glandium> hub: time to check the rils
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3127. # [23:27] <hub> glandium: the one we don't have the source code of?
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3129. # [23:27] <hub> glandium: :-/
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3161. # [23:45] <Gijs> dbaron: ping
3162. # [23:45] <@dbaron> Gijs, pong
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3164. # [23:46] <Gijs> dbaron: what are the odds someone can look at bug 981637 "soon"? :)
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3167. # [23:48] <@dbaron> Gijs, it'll take me 10 minutes or so to understand enough about it to answer that
3168. # [23:48] <jesup> did someone break building ASAN for the 'js' executable (linux)? Failed with linker issues (couldn't find the __asan_* funcs
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3175. # [23:49] <jesup> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4567207
3176. # [23:50] <Gijs> dbaron: OK. Is there someone else I should nag instead? The TL;DR from my perspective is that it seems like a layout bug that we had to hack around in frontend code which is about to go to beta, hence my asking now. Happy to poke others if you can point them out to me.
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3178. # [23:50] <@dbaron> Gijs, part of my problem is that I don't know what an overflow event is
3179. # [23:50] <@dbaron> Gijs, nor can I find any sign of code that's responsible for firing them
3180. # [23:50] <@dbaron> Gijs, still looking, though
3181. # [23:51] <Gijs> dbaron: ok, awesome, thank you. :)
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3185. # [23:51] <Gijs> dbaron: does http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsGfxScrollFrame.cpp#3569 help ?
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3187. # [23:51] <@dbaron> Gijs, no
3188. # [23:52] <@dbaron> Gijs, but our code thinks it's a XUL-only thing, at least in nsEventNameList.h
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3190. # [23:52] <Gijs> that's... odd? :)
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3193. # [23:53] <@dbaron> Gijs, it's FireScrollPortEvent that fires them
3194. # [23:53] * hwine|mtg is now known as hwine
3195. # [23:55] <@njn> I just accidentally introduced a line that read only |s| into some JS code. Thanks to dynamic typing and auto-semicolon insertion, nothing went wrong until that code actually executed
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3197. # [23:56] <@dbaron> Gijs, I think I know what's going on, although I'm not sure you'll like the answer
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3199. # [23:56] <@dbaron> Gijs, commenting in bug...
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3201. # [23:56] <sfink> we should make "use stricter" disable ASI, at least
3202. # [23:56] <@njn> sfink: is "use stricter" a thing?
3203. # [23:57] <sfink> no
3204. # [23:57] <@njn> sfink: someone once implement "use restrict", which was like "use strict" but also disallowed most auto type coercions. It was really nice
3205. # [23:57] * @njn is not a fan of weak typing
3206. # [23:57] <sfink> ooh, yeah. That would be handy.
3207. # [23:58] <sfink> we can put that one in "use stricterer"
3208. # [23:58] <@njn> sfink: it would break all those programs that look like this: [][][][][][()][][]()()(())[]([])
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