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18. # [00:05] <Waldo> njn: given any sort of syntax pragma can't disable coercions inside of standard library methods, it seems not enough to me, and never can be :-\
19. # [00:05] <Waldo> but yes, agree that implicit coercions are horrible
20. # [00:06] <Waldo> python was right, as usual
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24. # [00:08] <dholbert> jchen, thanks for the action on the hang bug! I'm confused, though -- does the patch you posted actually affect behavior at all?
25. # [00:08] <dholbert> er, never mind
26. # [00:08] <dholbert> jchen, I misread the #define as being commented-out
27. # [00:08] <dholbert> as you were, & thanks for the action there
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29. # [00:09] <@dbaron> Gijs, comment in bug
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31. # [00:09] <jchen> dholbert: np. thanks for spending time tracking it down!
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33. # [00:10] <dholbert> jchen, np. (crash me now + nightly debug builds made it not too tricky)
34. # [00:10] <jchen> :) that's a nice trick
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59. # [00:25] <aja> whoever fixed download progress to show that a download failed: thank you!
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66. # [00:27] <mbrubeck> Anyone have a recommendation for an easy/cheap place to host a tiny Node.js web site?
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114. # [00:50] <seth> hmm.. i'm having the problem that running an opt build under gdb causes it to instantly give me a crash reporter dialog. i had this before but forgot how i solved it. sufficient to add --disable-crashreporter in .mozconfig?
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117. # [00:52] <Unfocused> mbrubeck: Azure (with latest VS Pro you should have MSDN, which gives you Azure Dev credits)
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119. # [00:53] <seth> aha, "export MOZ_CRASHREPOTER_DISABLE=1" fixed it without a rebuild. nice
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121. # [00:53] <mbrubeck> Unfocused: cool, thanks
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182. # [01:16] <jesup> njn: so you need an old mechanical keyboard to exercise on, then ;-)
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202. # [01:22] <nalexander> Dear sheriffs (dear, long-suffering sheriffs): Bug 979388 is hoping to fix recent Android clobber-needing bustage, but itself should be fingered for any uptick in bustage :)
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204. # [01:23] <nalexander> philor: ^
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208. # [01:25] <jesup> Anyone know what's up with ASAN and js? in js/src/shell I get this: /home/jesup/src/mozilla/asan-inbound/js/src/ds/LifoAlloc.h:81: error: undefined reference to '__asan_poison_memory_region' (Note: the clang++ cmdline has -fsanitizer=address)
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216. # [01:28] <tomer> Is it possible to access the old Mozilla CVS server? It looks offline to me, and I afraid that we don't have full history on Mercurial.
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222. # [01:29] <@gavin> tomer: bonsai is still online
223. # [01:30] <jst> tomer: git has full history as well fwiw
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230. # [01:33] <jesup> tomer: last I knew CVS was still accessible somewhere; certainly bonsai is. Mercurial doesn't have the history; I didn't know git did
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233. # [01:34] <tomer> I am looking for the History of an l10n repository, which is even more difficult than finding a working mirror of the old trunk…
234. # [01:35] <philor> nalexander: so, if android's broken it's your fault? that doesn't sound like it requires any change in *my* attitude ;)
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244. # [01:42] <philor> hmm, http://www.mozilla.org/firefox/its-a-trap.html
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246. # [01:43] <philor> did that just now start redirecting to itisatrap.org?
247. # [01:43] <philor> right about the time that the test which loads it started failing?
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257. # [01:46] <philor> hmm, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=971244
258. # [01:46] <philor> but that's Monday
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279. # [01:55] <philor> KWierso: don't back anything out over the explosion of browser_bug415846.js everywhere, that's something done to the phishing page by bug 982664 which I'm not allowed to see
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281. # [01:55] <philor> so somebody other than me needs to disable the damn test and merge it around to every tree down to esr24
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284. # [01:55] <philor> or, apparently, file a github issue on it, I don't have the least idea what part of github
285. # [01:55] <KWierso> philor: that's a push to production for 971244
286. # [01:55] <philor> neat
287. # [01:55] <philor> well, we're fucked
288. # [01:56] <philor> and I'm on the front desk
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313. # [02:04] <KWierso> philor|afk: cc'd you to the bug
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387. # [02:41] <bkelly> dholbert: ping
388. # [02:42] <dholbert> bkelly, hi
389. # [02:42] <bkelly> dholbert: hi! got time for another text style question for contacts? I promise not to open wildly inaccurate bugs this time!
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391. # [02:43] <bkelly> dholbert: I'm trying to figure out why some of our text seems more expensive than others
392. # [02:43] <dholbert> bkelly, sure, though my text knowledge is limited
393. # [02:43] <dholbert> this might be more up nattokirai's alley
394. # [02:43] <bkelly> dholbert: I noticed that we have text-overflow:ellipsis... is that known to be slow at all?
395. # [02:43] <bkelly> just had not seen that on our other text fields, so thought maybe it was significant
396. # [02:44] <dholbert> I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised
397. # [02:44] <dholbert> IIRC mats implemented support for that ~2 years ago
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399. # [02:44] <bkelly> hmm, ok
400. # [02:45] <bkelly> I guess we'll investigate further... just thought I would ask in case it was a "oh yea, that one is known to have issues" or something
401. # [02:45] <bkelly> dholbert: thanks
402. # [02:45] <dholbert> I don't know the mechanics... I'm willing to believe it's slower than not using it, but I don't know if it's expected to be much slower
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405. # [02:45] <bkelly> ok
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409. # [02:46] <bkelly> I've been talking nattokirai and others... and in general people seem to think the amount of text in contacts is relatively small given how slow its operating... a bit of a mystery right now
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413. # [02:47] <nattokirai> bkelly: i think now it would help to start coming up with testcases with associated perf metrics (whatever those are)
414. # [02:47] <nattokirai> then others can try to reproduce the same results and try to drill down on the specifics
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416. # [02:48] <bkelly> nattokirai: ok... I know one that I measured previously was "how long to add X contacts to the DOM"... including the "org" text fields added significantly (like 10% or more) to the load time
417. # [02:48] <KWierso> philor|afk: r=you for a patch disabling that test?
418. # [02:48] <bkelly> but I agree we don't have good metrics
419. # [02:48] <bkelly> other than a general feeling of badness :-(
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422. # [02:49] <nattokirai> bkelly: "general feeling of badness" isn't so helpful... :P
423. # [02:49] <bkelly> nattokirai: btw, I never responded to your question in the bug, but I spent about an hour or more verifying that the textrun issue was simply due to expiration
424. # [02:49] <bkelly> my checkbox patch had no impact
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426. # [02:49] <bkelly> woops!
427. # [02:50] <nattokirai> ok
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430. # [02:50] <nattokirai> so what do you see taking a lot of time now when you profile it?
431. # [02:50] <nattokirai> i'm just sitting down to do some profiling tests now...
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433. # [02:50] <nattokirai> with the heavy reference load
434. # [02:51] <bkelly> nattokirai: I think kgrandon just posted a new profile here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=975680#c42
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437. # [02:52] <bkelly> nattokirai: looks like painting is just slow
438. # [02:52] <@khuey> stub installer is hella slow :(
439. # [02:53] <nattokirai> hmmm, or maybe not...
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442. # [02:54] <bkelly> nattokirai: reflows are slow too... the frame markers in that profile are just wrong for some reason
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447. # [02:55] <nattokirai> who do "master" and "lazy layout" mean?
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450. # [02:55] <bkelly> nattokirai: reflows are taking 50ms to 70ms and paints are taking 60ms to 150ms
451. # [02:55] <bkelly> nattokirai: "lazy layout" is kgrandon's work to rewrite the contacts list code
452. # [02:56] <bkelly> along the lines of roc's virtual-list-demo
453. # [02:56] <bkelly> I'm looking at the "master" profile at the moment
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566. # [03:35] <mconnor> KaiRo: http://cl.ly/image/3I172o2f202k
567. # [03:36] <mconnor> (that shouldn't 403)
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572. # [03:40] <KaiRo> mconnor: yes, that works
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581. # [03:43] <@dbaron> boy, the intermittent orange is bad today
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584. # [03:45] <philor> same thing we do every night, Pinky
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601. # [03:52] <st3fan> mconnor: what do the little orange arrows do?
602. # [03:52] <ttaubert> :)
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604. # [03:52] <mconnor> st3fan: I dunno, ask Bryan :)
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607. # [03:55] <KaiRo> st3fan: I personally would guess that in that mockup they are the indicator that those are sponsored - I'd expect that to be something possibly more clear in the end, though
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637. # [04:10] <@njn> azakai: on Hacker News' post about asm.js and Unreal 4, most of the negativity seemed to be coming from a handful of people posting multiple times, which is interesting
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641. # [04:11] <@khuey> I like the obvious troll
642. # [04:11] <@khuey> there was some guy who had a throw away account with shit in the title
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648. # [04:14] <@njn> khuey: Pacabel is a user who always writes a laundry-list post of how all Mozilla's current initiatives are crap
649. # [04:14] <@njn> khuey: I actually commented about it
650. # [04:16] <hub> haters are gonna hate
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652. # [04:17] <@khuey> njn: this guy https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=stoptalkingshit
653. # [04:17] <@njn> khuey: yeah
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656. # [04:18] <@njn> khuey: very annoying, that one
657. # [04:18] <aja> any news of unicorns and such?
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668. # [04:24] <aja> hrm...Vupen fuzzing user-after-free bug
669. # [04:24] <aja> “The Firefox zero-day we used today we found it through fuzzing, but it required 60 million test cases. That’s a big number,” Bekrar said. “That proves Firefox has done a great job fixing flaws..."
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672. # [04:25] * aja hopes to see Fx28 build 2 soon
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674. # [04:27] <@khuey> aja: we're working on them :)
675. # [04:27] <hub> did they get Chrome this year?
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677. # [04:27] <aja> i'm sure :)
678. # [04:27] <@khuey> chrome is tomorrow
679. # [04:27] <hub> ah
680. # [04:28] <hub> through Flash I hope :-D
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682. # [04:28] <aja> http://threatpost.com/vupen-cashes-in-four-times-at-pwn2own/104754 <-- article i quoted
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684. # [04:29] <hub> ahah "Vupen, Bekrar said, will not sell zero-days to repressive regimes." but yet include NATO
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688. # [04:32] <@bz> "repressive" is a subjective sort of thing
689. # [04:32] <@bz> Does Russia count? ;)
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691. # [04:33] <ohsix> somehow the repressive still end up with them
692. # [04:34] <philor> "his well-worm mantra"? oh, I hope that was intentional
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694. # [04:34] <ohsix> they're french so it's probably a real high bar, but they're playing an ethically grey area in their business
695. # [04:34] <aja> bz: says dennis to arthur?
696. # [04:34] <hub> ohsix: ahah, real high ? nope.
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698. # [04:35] <hub> ohsix: I would consider their morality dubious. but then they are doing that in France, and it is not like there is much industry for software
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700. # [04:35] <hub> been there done that.
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702. # [04:36] <@bz> aja: hmm?
703. # [04:36] <ohsix> i meant 'real high' as in slightly different from france ;D
704. # [04:36] <aja> bz: Dennis: "Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!"
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707. # [04:37] <aja> grailspeak
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709. # [04:38] <hub> anyway
710. # [04:38] <hub> 3 0day today?
711. # [04:38] <hub> busy day
712. # [04:38] <nigelb> 42
713. # [04:38] <nigelb> err, sorry
714. # [04:40] <@dbaron> I vaguely remember some HTML element classes having static helper methods for checked casts to those types... but I don't remember what they're called and can't find them.
715. # [04:41] <@khuey> dbaron: FromContent
716. # [04:41] <@dbaron> khuey, aha, thanks
717. # [04:41] <@khuey> np
718. # [04:41] <@khuey> hub: indeed
719. # [04:41] <philor> need some help with how to do this: I wrote a patch, and I've neither built nor run the test I'm patching, so the next step is to push, right?
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721. # [04:42] <@dbaron> khuey, are they declared inside a macro somewhere?
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723. # [04:42] <@dbaron> khuey, ah, NS_IMPL_FROMCONTENT_HELPER
724. # [04:42] <@khuey> dbaron: NS_IMPL_FROMCONTENT_HTML_...
725. # [04:42] <@khuey> in nsIContent.h IIRC
726. # [04:43] <@khuey> hub: we're expecting a 4th tomorrow
727. # [04:43] <@dbaron> remote: ssh: Could not resolve hostname hg.mozilla.org: Name or service not known
728. # [04:44] <philor> wfm
729. # [04:44] <@dbaron> this new VPN is worse than the old VPN
730. # [04:44] <@dbaron> I'm not sure why I'm using it
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732. # [04:44] * Mook gets totally confused by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7389418 from the above-mentioned UE4 thread
733. # [04:47] <@bz> Mook: what about it?
734. # [04:47] <Mook> I thought asm.js was fast because it avoids all the fun dynamic stuff?
735. # [04:47] <Mook> (which makes perfect sense for what it's trying to do, of course)
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737. # [04:49] <Mook> I mean, yes, the quote he's responding to is silly. But the response isn't quite there either.
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739. # [04:52] <hub> it is called trolling ;-)
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746. # [04:56] <@bz> Mook: asm.js can easily call out to non-ASM functions
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748. # [04:57] <@bz> Mook: I mean, it costs you some perf, just like doing a virtual call instead of straight-line code in C++ costs perf
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750. # [04:57] <Mook> Ah, it has a FFI layer, okay ;)
751. # [04:57] <@bz> yes
752. # [04:57] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/src/jit/AsmJS.cpp#770
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756. # [04:59] <Mook> I wouldn't have phrased it like that, of course; that's like saying "Python executes on bare metal with raw memory access" because it's got ctypes, but... yeah.
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759. # [05:00] <@bz> heh
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761. # [05:01] <@bz> I think an important difference is that your normal python code doesn't use ctypes
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763. # [05:01] <@bz> whereas your normal asm.js thing uses the FFI all the time
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765. # [05:01] <@bz> I mean, it makes webgl calls!
766. # [05:01] <@bz> (in the case of games)
767. # [05:02] <Mook> I've never written asm.js, but I was under the impression that it tends to be a compile target? (and some manually written glue, ~= libc)
768. # [05:02] <@bz> Sure
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770. # [05:03] <@bz> I mean, I guess you can view the webgl stuff as syscalls
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772. # [05:03] <@bz> but this is a setup where you can basically plug in your own syscalls if you want
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776. # [05:05] <Mook> Yeah, to me that sounds more like lacking system libraries and so you have to go write them
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778. # [05:05] <Jesse> dbaron: i think the old VPN is about to go away
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780. # [05:06] <@dbaron> Jesse, yes, except there's a separate "old VPN" for each office
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782. # [05:06] <@dbaron> Jesse, and it's only the one for MV that's going away
783. # [05:06] <@dbaron> Jesse, but I switched to the SF one when I heard this (yesterday)
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799. # [05:14] <nigelb> KWierso: Hello!
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804. # [05:16] <BenWa> err cpeterson*
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866. # [06:03] <@bz> NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_INHERITED_19
867. # [06:03] <@bz> Where is that defined?
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871. # [06:05] <@dbaron> bz, nsCycleCollectionParticipant.h
872. # [06:05] <@dbaron> bz, well, except it only goes to 18
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874. # [06:06] <@bz> right
875. # [06:06] <@bz> that was my issue too
876. # [06:06] <@bz> ok
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878. # [06:06] * @bz goes back to reviewing the patch that doesn't change that file but changes a NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_INHERITED_19 to NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_INHERITED_20
879. # [06:07] <@dbaron> bz, from somebody's deep patch queue, one hopes?
880. # [06:07] <Bas> Why is try not working.. I've been waiting for my push to complete for 5 minutes now :(
881. # [06:07] <Bas> Oh well, straight for m-i it is.
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885. # [06:09] <@bz> dbaron: Still trying to work that out. ;)
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892. # [06:13] <@bz> Ah, this is just part of a bigger patch
893. # [06:13] <@bz> ok
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911. # [06:21] <Bas> dbaron bz: But when you're at 11.. all the way up... where can you go from there? When you need that extra push over the cliff.. you need 19 :)
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926. # [06:34] <KWierso|afk> Bas: ping
927. # [06:34] <Bas> kwierso|afk: On it
928. # [06:35] <Bas> Appears I mismerged.
929. # [06:35] <KWierso|afk> Bas: kthx
930. # [06:35] <Bas> KWierso|afk: Stupid try wouldn't let me push or I'd have known :(
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934. # [06:37] <Bas> KWierso|afk: Apparently my local unified builds somehow pull that define in from elsewhere :s
935. # [06:38] <Bas> where our buildbots do not.
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941. # [06:40] <Bas> KWierso|afk: Pushed
942. # [06:40] <KWierso|afk> yay
943. # [06:41] <Bas> KWierso|afk: Weird how Windows and OS X compile fine, but *nix does not.
944. # [06:41] <Bas> Oh well *shrugs*
945. # [06:41] <KWierso|afk> aliens
946. # [06:41] <Bas> KWierso|afk: What the... mercurial.. what are you doing, why is that changeset empty :(
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949. # [06:42] <Bas> KWierso|afk: There... now it's pushed for real, I'll cancel the builds on the other push.
950. # [06:43] <KWierso|afk> Bas: it's empty, I don't think it'll trigger anything
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952. # [06:43] <Bas> Ah, yes, good.
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956. # [06:44] <Bas> KWierso|afk: Right, I'll keep an eye out and be back if it's still broken. :(
957. # [06:44] <Bas> Sorry about that.
958. # [06:44] <KWierso|afk> don't think you're hurting many others at this hour :P
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961. # [06:45] <Bas> It's true, that's why I like to push at this hour :)
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965. # [06:47] <Bas> KWierso|afk: If it busts B2G tests (there is some chance that it will), and I'm no longer around, please feel free to back it out.
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969. # [06:48] <jesup> glandium: ping
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974. # [06:48] <glandium> jesup: pong
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976. # [06:50] <KWierso|afk> Bas: I hope to be nowhere near my computer by the time b2g finishes up
977. # [06:50] <KWierso|afk> :P
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982. # [06:57] <jesup> glandium: BTW, the offset issue with GCC on android is debug-only (likely it was more like no-optimization-only in reality). Still confused though. the android ndk includes pre-built compilers; does it include the binutils (for x-compiling to ARM) as well?
983. # [06:57] <jesup> seems happy on the builders
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986. # [06:57] <glandium> jesup: the ndk has the full toolchain
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991. # [06:58] <jesup> then I'm still confused, as I'm using the same one as the builders (unless the debug builds on the builders are optimized.....)
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993. # [06:58] <glandium> jesup: they are
994. # [06:58] <jesup> aha
995. # [06:59] <glandium> also, i'm not entirely surprised the ndk is broken with non-optimized builds
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997. # [06:59] <jesup> the mentions I found of this problem on the web indicated it was a no-optimization-provoked bug
998. # [06:59] <glandium> that is, it's not a first. it's broken on x86 too, for another reason
999. # [06:59] <jesup> annoying
1000. # [07:00] <glandium> try -O1
1001. # [07:00] <glandium> should be more debuggable, and may have less problems
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1004. # [07:02] <jesup> glandium: yeah, that's my next step. My normal configs for debug --disable-optimization
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1032. # [07:26] <philor> "Make sure no other git process is running and remove the file manually to continue."
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1034. # [07:27] <philor> b2g's build failures sure do have some great advice for automation
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1047. # [07:38] <rforbes> ok, so this is going to sound super crazy. but every time i clone http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/ and build, it is building holly not release
1048. # [07:38] <rforbes> and 64bit!
1049. # [07:38] <rforbes> am i going insane?
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1052. # [07:39] <glandium> rforbes: what do you mean by holly?
1053. # [07:40] <rforbes> holly build
1054. # [07:40] <rforbes> from what i understand it was a nightly build with no aurolius
1055. # [07:40] <rforbes> or whatever that new ui is
1056. # [07:40] <nigelb> australis
1057. # [07:40] <rforbes> that's it
1058. # [07:40] <glandium> release doesn't have australis
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1062. # [07:40] <rforbes> sure, i build release, and it says "holly" in the little tab
1063. # [07:40] <rforbes> and it is version 28
1064. # [07:40] <glandium> australis is on aurora at the moment and will get to beta next week
1065. # [07:40] <rforbes> which makes no sense to me
1066. # [07:41] <rforbes> i am building on windows, btw
1067. # [07:43] <glandium> are you sure you don't have a holly build running somewhere else, and that running your release build doesn't bring that up?
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1070. # [07:43] <rforbes> i have never pulled release before.
1071. # [07:44] <rforbes> and i am running mach run
1072. # [07:44] <rforbes> er sorry
1073. # [07:44] <rforbes> i have never pulled holly before
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1075. # [07:44] <rforbes> didn't even know it existed.
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1080. # [07:44] <glandium> rforbes: what does the about: page look like?
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1084. # [07:45] <rforbes> it says firefox nightly 28.0
1085. # [07:46] <rforbes> holly is up to date
1086. # [07:46] <glandium> that sounds like an old nightly
1087. # [07:46] <rforbes> yup
1088. # [07:47] <rforbes> so i am doing something very wrong, obviously
1089. # [07:47] <rforbes> just not really sure what it is.
1090. # [07:47] <rforbes> i mean, it's pretty straight forward.
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1092. # [07:47] <rforbes> i start the mvc10 batch file
1093. # [07:47] <rforbes> do hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/
1094. # [07:47] <rforbes> and mach build
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1097. # [07:47] <rforbes> it's not really complicated
1098. # [07:47] <nigelb> stupid question, but what's the latest commit in hg log?
1099. # [07:48] <rforbes> good question, i will check that
1100. # [07:48] <glandium> rforbes: what is MOZ_BRANDING_DIRECTORY in obj-*/config/autoconf.mk?
1101. # [07:48] <KWierso|afk> and/or, what does about:buildconfig say you're using?
1102. # [07:49] <glandium> rforbes: and what does app.update.channel say in about:config?
1103. # [07:49] <glandium> rforbes: also, have you ever run a non-australis nightly?
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1107. # [07:50] <rforbes> glandium: yes, i believe i have. last time i pulled nightly on this vm was before australist i believe
1108. # [07:50] <rforbes> i can confirm that real quick
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1113. # [07:51] <rforbes> wow, this is old
1114. # [07:52] <rforbes> i have a moz-central on here with 27
1115. # [07:52] <rforbes> could that be causing me problems?
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1117. # [07:52] <glandium> shouldn't
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1119. # [07:52] <rforbes> and this was in the hg log
1120. # [07:52] <rforbes> branch: GECKO280_2014031020_RELBRANCH
1121. # [07:53] <glandium> so, the "nightly" part of your build is expected, since that's the default branding you get unless you set MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1
1122. # [07:53] <glandium> or pass some --with-branding-directory
1123. # [07:53] <rforbes> gotcha
1124. # [07:53] <glandium> --with-branding=dir
1125. # [07:54] <glandium> the holly thing, i don't know
1126. # [07:54] <rforbes> i also looks like it is building 64 bit
1127. # [07:54] <rforbes> for some reason
1128. # [07:54] <rforbes> the directory is i686
1129. # [07:54] <rforbes> and when i looked at it in the debugger it was referencing the WOW64 stuff
1130. # [07:55] <glandium> what does cl say?
1131. # [07:55] <glandium> 32-bit C/C++ optimizing compiler?
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1133. # [07:56] <KWierso|afk> wow64 is the 32-bit on 64-bit Windows
1134. # [07:56] <KWierso|afk> win64 is the 64-bit
1135. # [07:56] <rforbes> cl does say that.
1136. # [07:56] <glandium> then your build is 32-bit :)
1137. # [07:56] <rforbes> ok, that makes sense.
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1139. # [07:57] <glandium> the holly thing might come from something in your profile
1140. # [07:57] <rforbes> that is what i am wondering
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1161. # [08:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning KWierso|afk
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1165. # [08:16] <nigelb> morning Tomcat|sheriffduty
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1167. # [08:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi nigelb
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1171. # [08:17] <nigelb> KWierso|afk: hah, wow64 being the 32-bit on a 64-bit windows is not confusing at all....
1172. # [08:17] <KWierso|afk> WOW64 = Windows on Windows64
1173. # [08:17] <KWierso|afk> or something like that
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1177. # [08:21] <squib> i think it's "world of windows 64" ;)
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1210. # [08:52] <mjrosenb> ugh... what is going on here?
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1213. # [08:52] <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1722520/
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1215. # [08:53] <mjrosenb> something is happening, and I'm not too sure why
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1217. # [08:53] <mjrosenb> it is absurdly early.
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1223. # [08:55] <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1722532/ -- does anyone have the slightest clue what's going on?
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1231. # [09:00] <gcp> mjrosenb: I've seen that problem...but didn't find a fix
1232. # [09:00] <mjrosenb> gcp: i'm trying a clobber.
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1234. # [09:00] <gcp> i.e. segfaults and gdb being clueless
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1236. # [09:00] <mjrosenb> gcp: this is a segfault in someplace that looks like gibberish
1237. # [09:00] <mjrosenb> well before anything interesting happens.
1238. # [09:01] <gcp> yeah, same
1239. # [09:01] <gcp> also trying to debug something unrelated, also on debian
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1282. # [09:35] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
1283. # [09:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning Ms2ger
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1287. # [09:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm glob seems there is some maintaince going on in bugzilla right
1288. # [09:41] <glob> Tomcat|sheriffduty, yes, but it's done now
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1428. # [11:57] <whimboo> anyone knows how to best check if fxaccounts are enabled?
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1433. # [12:01] <Unfocused> whimboo: i've been told to use services.sync.fxaccounts.enabled
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1442. # [12:04] <whimboo> Unfocused: k, thanks
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1447. # [12:07] <whimboo> Unfocused: so Services.prefs.getBoolPref("services.sync.fxaccounts.enabled")
1448. # [12:07] <whimboo> ?
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1450. # [12:08] <whimboo> not sure why but it throws "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIPrefBranch.getBoolPref]"
1451. # [12:09] <Unfocused> er, what version of fx?
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1453. # [12:09] <droy> hi wanted to participate in gsoc this year could any one help me?
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1455. # [12:09] <whimboo> Unfocused: nightly
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1457. # [12:10] <whimboo> Unfocused: if the pref doesnt exist it should throw or?
1458. # [12:10] <Unfocused> whimboo: oh, huh - seems it doesn't exist by default. so you have to assume false in that case
1459. # [12:10] <Unfocused> droy: you want #gsoc, i think
1460. # [12:10] <whimboo> Unfocused: ah looks like
1461. # [12:10] <whimboo> its bold in about:config, so a user pref
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1464. # [12:12] <whimboo> Unfocused: cannot be
1465. # [12:12] <whimboo> the user pref is set to true
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1467. # [12:12] <whimboo> maybe that addon checks it too early
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1473. # [12:16] <whimboo> Unfocused: thats it
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1475. # [12:16] <whimboo> looks like we set it kinda late :(
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1477. # [12:17] <Unfocused> huh
1478. # [12:18] <whimboo> Unfocused: i have tried to read it in a global jsm module in the tps extension
1479. # [12:19] <whimboo> Unfocused: it registeres itself for general-startup
1480. # [12:19] <whimboo> so i assume that is before profile-after-change?
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1482. # [12:20] <whimboo|lunch> and we try to retrieve it before the profile is initialized
1483. # [12:20] <Unfocused> er, add-ons aren't started up that early
1484. # [12:20] <whimboo|lunch> its for handling the comman dline
1485. # [12:21] <whimboo|lunch> Unfocused: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/sync/tps/extensions/tps/
1486. # [12:21] <whimboo|lunch> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/sync/tps/extensions/tps/components/tps-cmdline.js#68
1487. # [12:21] <whimboo|lunch> in line 68 we load the before mentioned module where getBoolPref fails
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1489. # [12:24] * Unfocused shrugs
1490. # [12:25] <Unfocused> my poor brain isn't working too good this week (i'm off sick with the flu)
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1492. # [12:28] <whimboo|lunch> Unfocused: oh, np. get better man!
1493. # [12:28] <whimboo|lunch> isn't already late for you?
1494. # [12:28] <Unfocused> thanks :)
1495. # [12:28] <Unfocused> yep. can't sleep
1496. # [12:28] <Unfocused> slept on and offf through the day though
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1500. # [12:30] <Gijs> whimboo|lunch: file a bug on adding the pref to the prefs file, and needinfo ttaubert? I'm pretty sure we should just ensure that pref is always available. :)
1501. # [12:31] <Unfocused> when in doubt, Gijs is my voice of reason
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1507. # [12:35] <Ms2ger> Gijs, had a good flight?
1508. # [12:36] <Gijs> Ms2ger: 't was yesterday, but it was alright, yeah... why do you ask? :)
1509. # [12:36] <Ms2ger> Just wondering :)
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1650. # [14:37] <jryans> is there a git tool to pull from bugzilla attachments?
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1656. # [14:42] <jryans> nvm: "git bz apply"
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1684. # [14:58] <@bz_sleep> hmph
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1686. # [14:59] <@bz_sleep> Twitter used to have a view that basically showed replies to you and whatnot
1687. # [14:59] <@bz_sleep> "@connect" or something?
1688. # [14:59] <@bz_sleep> Did this disappear?
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1690. # [14:59] <@bz_sleep> ah, now it's "Notifications"
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1693. # [15:00] <Sylvestre> Gijs, on bug 981419, you requested an uplift but the ui-review flag has not been granted. I guess it was on purpose, right?
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1695. # [15:01] <Gijs> Sylvestre: I think shorlander just forgot to ui-r+ that
1696. # [15:01] <Gijs> shorlander: ^^ ?
1697. # [15:01] <Gijs> Sylvestre: so if you meant if my asking for approval was on purpose, then yes! :)
1698. # [15:02] <shorlander> Gijs. Sylvestre: Yeah, sorry, talked about it in IRC and forgot
1699. # [15:02] <Sylvestre> no worries, thanks
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1708. # [15:07] <Gijs> Sylvestre: also, thank you for all the prompt a+'s, by the way. Really helpful. :)
1709. # [15:07] <Sylvestre> welcome :)
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1744. # [15:27] <RyanVM> Yoric: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36067100&tree=Fx-Team
1745. # [15:27] <mjrosenb> firefox is crashing incredibly early on :-(
1746. # [15:27] <Yoric> That sounds like a bad start.
1747. # [15:28] <Yoric> ...
1748. # [15:28] <RyanVM> Yoric: oh FFS, what's with the xpcshell orange on your try push?
1749. # [15:28] <RyanVM> also
1750. # [15:28] * RyanVM queues up the backout
1751. # [15:28] <Yoric> Yes, please backout.
1752. # [15:28] <Yoric> I obviously looked at my Try push too early.
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1754. # [15:29] <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1723629/
1755. # [15:29] <Yoric> RyanVM: I don't understand the above log, though.
1756. # [15:30] <Yoric> RyanVM: oh...
1757. # [15:30] <Yoric> Or perhaps a clobber is needed.
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1760. # [15:31] <RyanVM> i'll note that asan wasn't tested on your try push
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1762. # [15:31] <Yoric> I'll re-try with all platforms and tests.
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1766. # [15:32] <Yoric> RyanVM: Thanks.
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1868. # [16:33] <bbouvier> is gecko mozilla-26 used in b2g-1.3?
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1870. # [16:34] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-B2g28-v1.3 says no, 28
1871. # [16:34] <philor> 26 is 1.2
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1928. # [16:58] <@smaug> jesup: do we have any webrtc tests which could be used to debug that latency issue
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1933. # [17:00] <jesup> smaug: we just added some about:webrtc stats for a/v sync offset and we log the jitter buffer depth. (You need to have the call still open (even if disconnected) to see the stats; it looks at PeerConnection objects)
1934. # [17:00] <jesup> smaug: which latency issue in particular are you looking at?
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1940. # [17:03] <@smaug> jesup: I was thinking about bug 976115
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1947. # [17:06] <@smaug> hg.m.o, don't be so slow
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1955. # [17:08] <jesup> Aha, not audio. Right, I saw the email today.
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1958. # [17:09] <@smaug> jesup: since atm it is not clear to me whether it is webrtc or something else causing the latency
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1961. # [17:09] <@smaug> if some game ends up doing lots JS or canvas stuff, that will just take time
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1963. # [17:09] <@smaug> and main event loop can't run the webrtc stuff
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1965. # [17:09] <jesup> http://mozilla.github.com/webrtc-landing/data_test.html does basic "talk to myself" datachannel stuff to drive the interface. It doesn't measure latency, though it could be modded to.
1966. # [17:10] <jesup> we need to deliver stuff to MainThread to fire onmessage, though, which seemed to be where the delay was
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1968. # [17:11] <@smaug> jesup: if there is delay there, we have other stuff in main event loop
1969. # [17:11] <@smaug> either lots of runnables to process, or processing some runnables take just lots of time
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1975. # [17:13] <jesup> Though I hate saying it, the windows profiling tool for looking into this sort of thing might help here. Or adding a timestamp to ON_DATA runnables and logging an event if it's longer than X when it's received so they're easier to look at in the Gecko profiler....
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1977. # [17:13] <@smaug> we need minimal testcase
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1986. # [17:15] <@smaug> profiling some random jquery crap is annoying
1987. # [17:15] <jesup> Modify data_test to send a message back for each one received (ping/pong) with say a 200ms delay (setTimeout)
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1995. # [17:19] <lsblakk> seth: would you mind doing an uplift approval nom on bug 896268 ?
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1997. # [17:19] <lsblakk> seth: for beta/release and for esr24
1998. # [17:20] <jesup> smaug: vaguely like channel.onmessage = function(evt) { time = now(); settimeout(function() {channel.send(time); }, 200); delta = int(now) - int(evt.data); do_something_if_delta_too_high;}
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2002. # [17:21] <jesup> smaug: actually more like channel.onmessage = function(evt) { var recv_time = now(); settimeout(function() {var send_time = now; channel.send(send_time); }, 200); delta = int(recv_time) - int(evt.data); do_something_if_delta_too_high;}
2003. # [17:22] <jesup> obviously still rather vague/wrong on JS details ;-)
2004. # [17:22] <@smaug> jesup: I'm kind of hoping someone more familiar with webrtc could do some testing ;)
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2006. # [17:23] <@smaug> or actually, I'm hoping whoever filed the bug to give us a minimal testcase
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2013. # [17:24] <jesup> I tried; I doubt we'll get anything more basic. And to another issue: games do use mainthread for things too; though perhaps his case isn't optimal
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2016. # [17:25] <jesup> smaug: what's teh JS equiv of now()? (in ms)
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2018. # [17:25] <@smaug> I'd use performance.now()
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2021. # [17:26] <@smaug> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Performance.now%28%29
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2023. # [17:26] <jesup> ok (he may have been using Date().getTime(); not sure). thanks
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2054. # [17:42] <stefanh> Mano: re bug 957281, not 100% sure, but we probably don't want pack=end when instantapply is set to false
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2063. # [17:46] <jesup> smaug: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4575820
2064. # [17:47] <jesup> Numbers I saw on a debug build were generally ~0.5ms; some excursions to 6ms
2065. # [17:47] <jesup> It's a start
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2072. # [17:48] <jesup> Note those are one-way; the numbers from the reporter were round-trip
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2074. # [17:48] <@smaug> jesup: 0.5ms doesn't sounds too bad
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2077. # [17:49] <@smaug> and 6ms could be gc or cc running or something
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2079. # [17:49] <jesup> and that's debug no-opt (fast machine though) in gdb
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2081. # [17:50] <jesup> my bet is other things using the event loop. However, it seems like it's a common problem, so advice on what to avoid or patterns to avoid could help game devs a lot
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2083. # [17:51] <jesup> GDC RSN ...
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2106. # [18:00] <nemo> !@#$
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2109. # [18:00] <nemo> Hate firefox built in dev tools :(
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2111. # [18:01] <nemo> So. there's an <img src="//...REALFREAKINURL.jpg">
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2114. # [18:01] <nemo> I right click on the img, expecting like in Firebug, to get a "copy image location" or "open image in new tab" or something
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2116. # [18:02] <nemo> hm. there's copy inner HTML, copy outer HTML, copy unique selector... all generic stuff
2117. # [18:02] <nemo> "copy image data url"
2118. # [18:02] <nemo> well. that sounds totally useless and wrong, but, maybe they are using a bad name for "whatever src=" is pointing to
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2120. # [18:02] <nemo> I choose that, open a new tab, paste...
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2122. # [18:03] <dcamp> nemo: file a bug, that seems a reasonable thing to do.
2123. # [18:03] <nemo> Firefox locks up for 10 seconds, completely unresponsive, while it freaks out over the gigantic data uri I just pasted
2124. # [18:03] <nemo> *sigh*
2125. # [18:03] <nemo> dcamp: eh, a big big bug over these things and other places where it is lacking compared to firebug was already filed
2126. # [18:03] * philor|away is now known as philor
2127. # [18:03] <dcamp> nemo: individual bugs are more helpful.
2128. # [18:04] <nemo> dcamp: I'm more irritated about the whole browser locking up due to a tricksy bit of UI
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2130. # [18:04] <dcamp> nemo: then that would be the prime thing to file a bug over.
2131. # [18:04] <nemo> really, I'm only in the native dev tools 'cause this is my test profile where I try to keep firebug and other addons off, apart from profiling tools
2132. # [18:04] <nemo> dcamp: go for it ☹
2133. # [18:05] <nemo> the odd thing is, is I thought I was able to do this in dev tools at some point
2134. # [18:05] * nemo shrugs
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2137. # [18:05] <nemo> also. the real culprit I should be angry at is google plus that doesn't allow direct linking to the jpeg :(
2138. # [18:05] <nemo> which was the whole reason I ran into dev tools fail in the first place
2139. # [18:06] <nemo> hm. I wonder why this particular div is blinking in dev tools. Maybe 'cause I right clicked inspect to get in the general location of the image
2140. # [18:06] <philor> nemo: oh, you wanted #bitchendlessly!
2141. # [18:06] <nemo> I wonder how to make it stop
2142. # [18:06] <nemo> philor: mmm. I suppose
2143. # [18:06] <nemo> Did that once already in dev tools channel, it was satisfying.
2144. # [18:07] <nemo> well. was invited to do so...
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2146. # [18:07] <nemo> ahhhh now tons of divs are blinking O_o
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2150. # [18:08] <nemo> and the rules list is blinking too. how odd. maybe a style is changing somewhere in the tree and this is how they deal with it
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2161. # [18:11] <nemo> http://sheetjs.com/sexql/sqljs.html - got to this off of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7392665 - quite oddly, their "Firefox fallback page" Makes a point of saying "works best in everything but firefox"
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2164. # [18:12] <nemo> which is truly strange, given sql.js is basically emscripten compiled sqlite
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2171. # [18:13] <jld> Oh, is this #bitchendlessly? Because I'm fighting with the IPC code. Where stuff is breaking for other people that shouldn't be possible, and doesn't repro for me locally or in my try builds. On top of the large pile of stuff that is broken in ways I mostly understand, and which is also breaking.
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2177. # [18:14] <nemo> jld: I think the channel varies between #joinquitspam and #bitchendlessly actually, from my on and off lurking here for past 15 years or so
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2179. # [18:14] <jld> (-:
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2184. # [18:15] <nemo> (well, used to be #mozilla if my haze memory serves)
2185. # [18:15] <nemo> then.... #firefox, which then became a support channel I think.
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2191. # [18:17] <bent> bah, anyone remember the name of our helper class to auto-restore variable contents when the destructor runs?
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2194. # [18:17] <@khuey> AutoRestore
2195. # [18:18] <bent> thx
2196. # [18:18] <lsblakk> jst: can you look at the ni? in bug 982906
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2199. # [18:18] <@khuey> lsblakk: he's in the directors meeting
2200. # [18:18] <lsblakk> oh ya
2201. # [18:18] <lsblakk> that
2202. # [18:18] <@khuey> lsblakk: and bz answered it in comment 19
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2204. # [18:19] <lsblakk> hm. i supposed i don't need that info anyway to push for uplift noms from mrbkap
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2209. # [18:20] <taras> how does one get to bookmark manager in australis?
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2211. # [18:20] <Gijs> taras: click bookmarks menu, click "Show all bookmarks"
2212. # [18:20] <Gijs> (at the bottom)
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2214. # [18:21] <@smaug> nicely hidden
2215. # [18:21] <taras> Gijs_away: ah, it's scrolled off screen for me by default :(
2216. # [18:21] <@smaug> I need to scroll the menu down to see it
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2218. # [18:22] <taras> Gijs_away: thanks though, didnt think to scroll that far
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2222. # [18:25] <@smaug> taras: want to file a bug
2223. # [18:25] <@smaug> looks like an obvious ux bug to me
2224. # [18:25] <jhopkins> aklotz: ping
2225. # [18:25] <aklotz> jhopkins: pong
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2229. # [18:26] <jhopkins> aklotz: did you try changing the default theme on your windows loaner and saw that the tests passed?
2230. # [18:26] <aklotz> jhopkins: Yes
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2233. # [18:27] <taras> smaug: i dunno
2234. # [18:27] <taras> australis in general makes me want to smash computer when i do a noncommon usecase for first time
2235. # [18:27] <jhopkins> aklotz: ok. i'm going to manually set the theme on the windows server 2012 machines set up for the Date branch and get that automated for new instances
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2237. # [18:27] <aklotz> jhopkins: Sounds good
2238. # [18:27] <jhopkins> thanks
2239. # [18:27] <taras> smaug: that IKEA manual menu confuses me every time
2240. # [18:27] <aklotz> np
2241. # [18:27] <taras> cant file bugs for that
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2243. # [18:28] <@smaug> ikea?
2244. # [18:28] <taras> the giant square menu
2245. # [18:28] <@smaug> I doubt sicking designed it
2246. # [18:28] <@smaug> ah that one. I kind of like it
2247. # [18:29] <taras> yeah i'm just old or something
2248. # [18:29] <@smaug> but Australis is very good at hiding useful stuff
2249. # [18:29] <taras> i barely escaped the customize mode today
2250. # [18:29] <taras> i really like the default ui
2251. # [18:29] <taras> less clutter is good there
2252. # [18:30] <jld> At least the Australis Everything Menu Button looks less like the Panorama Button than it used to.
2253. # [18:30] <nemo> I find checking for updates in Australis is less convenient than it used to be. I really wish they'd fix the styling bug where they set background-color without setting color - makes buttons in Australis menu unreadable on a dark theme (yes, I filed a bug on this :-p )
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2255. # [18:30] <nemo> Also, I hope they reconsider adding spacers in the new customisation screen, since right now the only way to position stuff on the right of a menu bar is to downgrade browser, insert a spacer, then upgrade again
2256. # [18:30] <nemo> (yes, there's a bug on that too :-p )
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2277. # [18:43] <RyanVM> jwalker: fx-team leaks
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2286. # [18:47] <jwalker> RyanVM: do you know if it was since bug Bug 663778 landed?
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2291. # [18:47] <RyanVM> jwalker: that's why I'm pinging you :)
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2294. # [18:47] <jwalker> are you telling me that it was, or asking?
2295. # [18:48] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36079102&tree=Fx-Team
2296. # [18:48] <RyanVM> it was a statement, not a question
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2305. # [18:51] <jwalker> RyanVM: I can't get a hold of mike
2306. # [18:51] <jwalker> it looks like there was a rebase after the last green try run
2307. # [18:51] <jwalker> so that could be the cause
2308. # [18:52] <jwalker> it should probably get backed out
2309. # [18:52] <RyanVM> k
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2314. # [18:54] <jwalker> RyanVM: thanks.
2315. # [18:54] <RyanVM> np
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2330. # [19:00] <Gijs_away> taras: smaug: there's a bug about the bookmarks menu's footer scrolling out of view, but it's hard to fix that... it's inside a xul arrowscrollbox, and positioning it out of that is Hard.
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2333. # [19:01] <dmajor> ted: ping
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2335. # [19:01] <@ted> dmajor: pong
2336. # [19:02] <dmajor> ted: I'd like to minimize the amount of magic external knowledge that has to be given to profileserver
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2338. # [19:02] <dmajor> ted: what do you think of doing a relative path from VS120COMNTOOLS?
2339. # [19:02] <@ted> so that this is likely to work for anyone?
2340. # [19:02] <@ted> if you can derive the path that's fine
2341. # [19:03] <dmajor> ted: ok, I'll give that a shot
2342. # [19:03] <@ted> okay
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2381. # [19:19] <RyanVM> arnaud_bienner: inbound non-unified bustage
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2383. # [19:19] <arnaud_bienner> RyanVm: :(
2384. # [19:20] <RyanVM> arnaud_bienner: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36081314&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2385. # [19:20] * RyanVM assumes it's just a missing #include
2386. # [19:21] <arnaud_bienner> Yes, probably indeed
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2392. # [19:22] <arnaud_bienner> Unfortunate I didn't notice before. I pushed to try before asking for check in, to be sure, but it built OK (https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=130bd3baeb70)
2393. # [19:22] <RyanVM> yeah, non-unified is a bit tricky atm
2394. # [19:22] <RyanVM> I don't blame you for missing it :)
2395. # [19:22] <RyanVM> but a fix would be appreciated
2396. # [19:22] <arnaud_bienner> RyanVM: I will fix this. Thanks for letting me know :)
2397. # [19:22] <RyanVM> you can pastebin it here if you want
2398. # [19:23] <RyanVM> or I can backout for now
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2414. # [19:33] <billm> does anybody know who is responsible for mxr.mozilla.org/addons? it doesn't seem to be working.
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2419. # [19:33] <RyanVM> arnaud_bienner: fwiw, it was debug-only (the opt non-unified build was fine)
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2424. # [19:36] <dholbert> billm, my first guess would be jorgev
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2426. # [19:36] <billm> dholbert: ok, thanks, I'll cc him
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2430. # [19:36] <catlee> hmm
2431. # [19:36] <catlee> sometimes firefox stops accepting keyboard input
2432. # [19:36] <catlee> per-window
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2460. # [19:43] <arnaud_bienner> RyanVM: pushing to try with "try: -b do -p macosx64 -u all" should be OK?
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2481. # [20:04] <BenWa> bsmedberg: ping
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2483. # [20:04] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: pong
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2485. # [20:05] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Sorry to go down memory lane but can you tell me why these are empty? http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/391018912b6c#l1.39
2486. # [20:05] <BenWa> bsmedberg: I'm seeing some crashes with the PostDelayedTask and I feel like anything that doesn't keep a ref to the task to cancel it is wrong
2487. # [20:05] <BenWa> and we seem to have copy this bad pattern into a lot more of the tree now
2488. # [20:06] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: which task?
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2490. # [20:06] <@bsmedberg> we should be keeping a ref to all pending tasks targeted at taht
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2492. # [20:06] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Well certainly all these crash seem to come from a runnable method so I suspect it doesn't hold a reference properly and we crash: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?product=FennecAndroid&signature=gfx3DMatrix%3A%3ACanDraw2D%28gfxMatrix*%29+const#tab-reports
2493. # [20:06] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: there is no retain/release because that class isn't refcounted, so it doesn't make much sense
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2495. # [20:07] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Yes but the user in that patch doesn't keep a ref to the pending task to delete it on the destructor which IMO is the right thing to do
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2499. # [20:08] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: I'm pretty sure the plugin code is correct: it's using a ScopedTaskFactory
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2502. # [20:08] <@bsmedberg> sorry
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2504. # [20:08] <@bsmedberg> ScopedMethodFactory
2505. # [20:08] <@bsmedberg> and the task lifetime is managed by the factory
2506. # [20:09] <BenWa> bsmedberg: I don't see it in this patch? Are you saying it was later fixed?
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2509. # [20:09] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: I guess, see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/ipc/PluginModuleParent.h#303 and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/ipc/PluginModuleParent.cpp#303
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2515. # [20:12] <Yoric> Can anyone confirm that Cu.reportError is always available?
2516. # [20:13] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Both me and ehsan have no idea how this is intended to work
2517. # [20:13] <Yoric> i.e. as soon as we have JS/as long as we have JS, we can call Cu.reportError and it will have the expected behavior?
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2520. # [20:14] <BenWa> bsmedberg: vidyo if you have time?
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2522. # [20:14] <@bsmedberg> I don't
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2547. # [20:26] <yvan> bsmedberg - trying to help out rforbes and curtisk with CanSecWest stuff. is there a way I can download the pdb for firefox 27 ymbols without windbg installed?
2548. # [20:27] <@bsmedberg> yvan: do you have visual studio?
2549. # [20:27] <yvan> I don't have windows build tools installed on this computer
2550. # [20:27] <@bsmedberg> then I doubt it
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2552. # [20:27] <yvan> and it will take > 1 hour to install over my bad wifi :(
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2554. # [20:27] <@bsmedberg> what would you do with the symbols without the tools anyway?
2555. # [20:28] <@bsmedberg> yvan: I'm going to forward you to dmajor in any case; he's here to help
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2558. # [20:30] <yvan> ok, if dmajor or anyone else can run symchk to grab the files, and put them up somewhere I can grab them it would be insanely helpful :)
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2565. # [20:33] <@bsmedberg> yvan: did you mean 27.0.1?
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2567. # [20:33] <yvan> yeah
2568. # [20:33] <yvan> sorry 27.0.01
2569. # [20:33] <yvan> ugh
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2572. # [20:34] <yvan> sorry listening to a talk right now too while I try to get the tools :)
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2596. # [20:47] <philor> ProfD is the actual directory of the profile we're running in, right?
2597. # [20:47] <kats> i think so, yeah
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2599. # [20:48] <fabrice1> yep
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2604. # [20:52] <philor> bad news for bug 918507, then, it must just be failing to iterate through one run worth of profile files
2605. # [20:52] <philor> do we maybe start saving foo.part files in the profile on Win8?
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2623. # [20:57] <Yoric> philor|away: There's a profile dir and a local profile dir.
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2625. # [20:57] <Yoric> Under Windows, you often want ProfLD.
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2628. # [20:58] <Yoric> Unrelated question: What does "decommitted" mean in about:memory?
2629. # [20:58] <@smaug> mccr9: khuey|away ^
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2651. # [21:08] <vlad> anyone have any idea why a fullscreen <div> would come out as 1920x1094 height given a 1920x1080 <canvas> inside it?
2652. # [21:08] <vlad> no weird styling that I can see on anything
2653. # [21:08] <rbarnes> i feel like i'm on crazy pills. two files in the same directory. both #include "file.h", but one of them gets fatal error: 'file.h' file not found
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2656. # [21:08] <vlad> Yoric: it means that we allocated the virtual addresses for it, but released the physical memory back to the OS
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2659. # [21:09] <vlad> Yoric: sounds like a great thing to ask on ask.mozilla.org ;)
2660. # [21:09] <Yoric> :)
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2670. # [21:16] <kats> how come firebot is in some channels (e.g. #mobile) but not in here?
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2675. # [21:17] <kats> http://ask.mozilla.org/question/232/
2676. # [21:18] <nalexander> rbarnes: compiler flags?
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2678. # [21:18] <rbarnes> nalexander: possibly. worked around it by using a different file :)
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2681. # [21:20] <dmajor> yvan: I can point you to a 17mb installer for windbg if that would help?
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2693. # [21:24] <jimm> dmajor, bsmedberg: i posted those symbols for yvan to people
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2695. # [21:25] <dmajor> ah cool, thanks jimm
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2713. # [21:37] <rbarnes> where does firefox store indexeddb contents?
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2715. # [21:39] <clb> rbarnes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4614789/how-do-you-delete-the-indexed-databases-stored-on-your-computer-in-firefox
2716. # [21:39] <rbarnes> clb: thanks
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2720. # [21:41] <vlad> we really need to get that into about:permissions
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2733. # [21:48] <@dolske> isn't indexdb treated as a cookie db? (ie, clearing cookies clears it)
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2735. # [21:50] <vlad> anyone? fullscreen?
2736. # [21:50] <vlad> who knows fullscreen! :)
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2741. # [21:53] <@dolske> hmm, seems we don't? that doesn't seem right.
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2743. # [21:54] <@dolske> vlad: what about FS?
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2749. # [21:56] <sfink> we reserve the top 14 pixels for an ad bar?
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2772. # [22:02] <rforbes> bsmedberg: so, the computer that we were using is not on the internet. i was hoping to get the firefox symbols since i can't point to a URL.
2773. # [22:02] <vlad> dolske: I can't figure out why a <div><canvas/></div> with the canvas being 1920x1080, the div ends up as 1920x1094, and there's a 14-px black bar below the canvas
2774. # [22:02] <vlad> on a 1920x1080 display
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2777. # [22:04] <vlad> 1094 doesn't even make sense, because of the 14px bar.. that would mean that it's actually 28px which really makes no sense
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2783. # [22:05] <@dolske> vlad: is there any whitespace between the <canvas> and </div>? Almost sounds like you're getting a line of text.
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2785. # [22:06] <vlad> yeah it does.. but no, it's a constructed <div> with a single child :/
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2792. # [22:08] <cpeterson> jimm: ping?
2793. # [22:08] <billm> jimm: ping
2794. # [22:09] <billm> heh, same idea I guess
2795. # [22:09] <cpeterson> billm: :)
2796. # [22:09] <@dolske> vlad: and I assume you've used domi/devtools to make sure there's no weird CSS involved?
2797. # [22:09] <vlad> yeah :/
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2799. # [22:09] <vlad> I'm systematically stripping all the css
2800. # [22:09] <vlad> I think I know what might be the problem, maybe
2801. # [22:09] <vlad> the canvas is set to display:block
2802. # [22:09] <vlad> nope
2803. # [22:09] <vlad> what the hell
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2807. # [22:10] <@dolske> is it only weird in FS? like, in windowed mode things are the expected size?
2808. # [22:11] <vlad> right
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2811. # [22:11] <@dolske> no clue.
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2813. # [22:13] <mrbkap> Is esr24 expected to compile out of the box on OSX?
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2831. # [22:28] <@ehsan> dbaron: ping
2832. # [22:28] <@dbaron> ehsan, pong
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2839. # [22:28] <@ehsan> dbaron: for bug 983084, what is the correct hint if we transition from opacity:0.99 to opacity:1?
2840. # [22:29] <mattwoodrow> ehsan: RepaintFrame
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2842. # [22:29] <@ehsan> ok thanks
2843. # [22:29] <@ehsan> also, I'm not sure what comment 1 means
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2847. # [22:30] <@dbaron> yep, that's what I'd expect. (I wasn't sure if we'd added other repaint-ish options that might also be valid.)
2848. # [22:30] <@dbaron> ehsan, I've forgotten at what layer you made your opacity:0.99 optimization
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2850. # [22:30] <@dbaron> ehsan, so I wasn't sure if an UpdateOpacityLayer hint is sufficient to make the dynamic behavior equivalent to the static behavior
2851. # [22:30] <@ehsan> dbaron: nsIFrame::BuildDisplayListForStackingContext
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2853. # [22:31] <@ehsan> I avoid creating a nsDisplayOpacity if opacity >= 0.99
2854. # [22:31] <@dbaron> ehsan, I suspect it might not be, then
2855. # [22:31] <@dbaron> ehsan, e.g., an animation to opacity:0.99 from below might behave differently fromh a static opacity:0.99
2856. # [22:31] <@ehsan> hmm
2857. # [22:31] <@ehsan> I guess this means I need to learn about CSS animations :)
2858. # [22:32] <mattwoodrow> I think that should be ok
2859. # [22:32] <mattwoodrow> transitioning from opacity 0.98 to 0.99 results in the nsDisplayOpacity disappearing
2860. # [22:32] <mattwoodrow> which DLBI catches and invalidates
2861. # [22:32] <@ehsan> mattwoodrow: do you know how to easily write a test case for that?
2862. # [22:32] <@dbaron> yeah, I guess the UpdateOpacityLayer codepath does set needInvalidatingPaint to true unconditionally, which at least runs us through display list and layer construction?
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2864. # [22:32] <@ehsan> I have a fix for the non-animating case, fwiw
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2866. # [22:32] <mattwoodrow> I have a test for the non-animating case :)
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2868. # [22:33] <@ehsan> mattwoodrow: err, sorry, I meant the animating case ;)
2869. # [22:33] <mattwoodrow> animating should be easy too
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2871. # [22:33] <mattwoodrow> add a transition and change the opacity from 0.5 to 0.99
2872. # [22:33] <@ehsan> ok
2873. # [22:33] <mattwoodrow> remove reftest-wait in the onTransitionEnd
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2875. # [22:33] <@ehsan> will do
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2877. # [22:33] <@ehsan> yep
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2924. # [22:55] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gps: fx-team bustage in xpcshell tests
2925. # [22:56] <gps> KWierso|sheriffduty: looking
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2927. # [22:57] <gps> KWierso|sheriffduty: uhhh. I have no clue what's going on there. yay for xpcshell harness printing no output
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2929. # [22:58] <gps> strange that it's ASAN only
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2935. # [22:59] <gps> KWierso|sheriffduty: I retriggered it. i don't know why the patch would trigger ASAN test failure
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2984. # [23:16] <philor> gps: one of the things ASan does for us is that it gives us tests in automation with --disable-crashreporter
2985. # [23:16] <philor> lets us see when someone breaks that :)
2986. # [23:17] <philor> pretty sure you won't need all 15 retriggers
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2988. # [23:17] <gps> philor: oh. well, that would do it
2989. # [23:18] <gps> philor: I could probably fix that in under 15 minutes. but policy is policy. back me out
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2991. # [23:18] <philor> don't look at me!
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2994. # [23:19] <KWierso|sheriffduty> on it
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3038. # [23:43] <Gijs> hwine: did you mean to file bug 983432 in another product/component?
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3041. # [23:44] <hwine> Gijs: well, this is in alignment with https://bugzil.la/983432 for locales and I think of it as for the gecko merge, but you're right
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3043. # [23:45] * hwine moves it -- thanks!
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3053. # [23:49] <Gijs> thank *you*! :)
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3062. # [23:54] <cabanier> what class should I use if I want to store something in a list? nsTArray is only for primitive types it seems
3063. # [23:55] <tbsaunde> no its not
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3065. # [23:55] <cabanier> T MUST be safely memmove()'able.
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3067. # [23:55] <tbsaunde> but the actual answer to that question depends on what charactaristics you need from it
3068. # [23:55] <cabanier> (from the header
3069. # [23:55] <tbsaunde> most classes came be memoved and if it can't there's a template thingy to opt out
3070. # [23:56] <cabanier> ah
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3072. # [23:56] <@smaug> and for refcounted stuff you want nsTArray<nsRefPtr<Foo>>
3073. # [23:56] <cabanier> I saw that one
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3077. # [23:57] <@smaug> but better be careful with memmove thing still
3078. # [23:57] <cabanier> ok. I will use the nsRefPtr
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3080. # [23:57] <cabanier> smaug: even with nsRefPtr?
3081. # [23:58] <@smaug> with that, nsTArray should be quite safe
3082. # [23:58] <@smaug> can't think of issues..
3083. # [23:58] <tbsaunde> if there are any we're pretty screwed already
3084. # [23:58] <cabanier> :-)
3085. # [23:58] <@smaug> but in some cases you don't want refcnting
3086. # [23:59] <mcomella> KWierso|sheriffduty: Hey, I just wanted to point out the distinction between bug 946656 and bug 952046 and ask if there could be a better way to set the titles
3087. # [23:59] <@smaug> for performance reasons for example
3088. # [23:59] <cabanier> smaug: I'd prefer if it just behaved like an std::list
3089. # [23:59] <mcomella> KWierso|sheriffduty: The former is for just a url in the title, the latter for a search result using the url
3090. # [23:59] <mcomella> KWierso|sheriffduty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=946656 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952046
3091. # [23:59] <mcomella> Because firebot, or lack thereof
3092. # [23:59] <cabanier> smaug: by calling copy constructor, etc
3093. # Session Close: Fri Mar 14 00:00:00 2014

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