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# Session Start: Fri Mar 21 00:00:00 2014
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <gozala> sfink: so the problem I’m getting is actually about cloning
# [00:00] <gozala> sfink: I see following error DataCloneError: The object could not be cloned.
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# [00:01] <gozala> sfink: although my pipeline is little akward
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# [00:01] <gozala> sfink: in my case chrome creates a message channel and sends port to the xul iframe
# [00:01] <gozala> via postMessage
# [00:01] <sfink> gozala: btw, you're running a build with bug 912456's patch applied?
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# [00:02] <gozala> no I’m on nightly
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# [00:02] <sfink> uh, nightly doesn't implement Transferable MessagePorts
# [00:02] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM|afk: it's a truly enlightening read...
# [00:02] <sfink> they're still waiting on review
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# [00:03] <gozala> sfink: I though it did but not standards based API no ?
# [00:03] <sewardj> gkw: done. rev 13884.
# [00:03] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso|sheriffduty: are we greeted as liberators with flowers?
# [00:03] <gkw> sewardj: \o/
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# [00:03] <@smaug> gozala: we never have had non-spec'ed port cloning
# [00:04] <@smaug> lots of the messagechannel messageport stuff isn't there yet
# [00:04] <@smaug> at least not enabled by default
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# [00:04] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM|afk: we hate our users
# [00:04] <gozala> smaug: stink wait did not we had implementation that lets you pass ports across frames ?
# [00:04] <KWierso|sheriffduty> hate freedom
# [00:04] <@smaug> but I thought transfering to another window was supported
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# [00:04] <gozala> smaug: yeah I have enabled it
# [00:04] <KWierso|sheriffduty> and lynx is clearly the superior browser
# [00:05] <@smaug> gozala: you really need baku|away
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# [00:05] <gozala> smaug: yeah but I’d assume he’s asleep
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# [00:05] <@smaug> it is not that late here
# [00:05] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM|afk: and if only there was a way to run your own sync server...
# [00:05] <@smaug> s/here/there/
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# [00:05] <@smaug> -2h from here
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# [00:06] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso|sheriffduty: tell me somebody seriously said that
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# [00:08] <cabanier> RyanVM|afk: can you check in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=985257 ?
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# [00:08] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM|afk: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4922879&cid=46538379 and children
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# [00:09] <mccr8> cabanier: ryan checks for bugs with checkin-needed about once a day. one you set the keyword, you just need to wait. :)
# [00:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/407a3ea120b0 - David Keeler - backout bug 985021 (de535cd27ee7) for build breakage r=backout
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# [00:09] <cabanier> mccr8: pl
# [00:09] <cabanier> mccr8: ok :-)
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# [00:12] <RyanVM|afk> cabanier: yeah, very unlikely tonight
# [00:12] <RyanVM|afk> probably first thing in the morning
# [00:12] <cabanier> RyanVM|afk: no problem!
# [00:12] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso|sheriffduty: lmao, ignorance fail
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# [00:18] <mcsmurf> did something major change in the mozbuild build system regarding moz.build files since yesterday or two days ago?
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# [00:19] <mcsmurf> looking at this error in Thunderbird builds: "/home/frank/mozilla/dev/comm-central/ldap/moz.build The error appears to be part of the mozbuild.frontend.reader Python module itself! It is possible you have stumbled across a legitimate bug."
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# [00:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dbed599ec413 - Geoff Brown - Bug 967704 - Disable a few tests on Android 2.3 for intermittent failures
# [00:19] <mcsmurf> reader.py does not seem to have changed
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# [00:20] <mcsmurf> eh http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/ldap/moz.build
# [00:20] <mcsmurf> actually this is an empty file :o
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# [00:20] <mcsmurf> so error processing an empty file, interesting
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# [00:24] <mcsmurf> "AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'replace'"
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# [00:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3240123beb51 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 874950. Don't let fixed position conclude occlude async scrolled content. r=roc
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28f0cec509e7 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 874950. Record on display items if they are inside a fixed position subtree. r=roc
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# [00:29] <decoder> jesup: is this linux or mac?
# [00:29] <decoder> and did you build successfully before with that config+compiler?
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# [00:31] <decoder> jesup: im getting clang-3.5: error: unknown argument: '-fsanitizer=address'
# [00:31] <decoder> it's -fsanitize=address
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# [00:32] <decoder> i think our build system swallows unknown arguments to clang
# [00:32] <decoder> so this might go unnoticed
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# [00:32] <decoder> however, with --enable-address-sanitizer, poisoning calls to asan are made
# [00:32] <decoder> and if it's not building with asan, it'll fail then
# [00:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c129d201f96 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 933462 - [e10s] Pop-up blocking notifications (r=felipe)
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# [00:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/517ab98f0d23 - Jeff Walden - Back out bug 985687, likely cause of js1_8_5/extensions/recursion.js cantankering. r=CLOSED TREE
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# [00:47] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Cwiiis: ping
# [00:47] <tn> pushing a fix for my silly bustage
# [00:48] <KWierso|sheriffduty> er, Cwiiis unping
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# [00:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/257d152e487f - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 874950. Fix variable name to fix the build. on a CLOSED TREE
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# [01:08] <@njn> does session restore load some kind of cached JS? I have this issue where I change some JS and then restart Firefox, and hit "restore previous session" and I get the old JS code running
# [01:09] <nalexander> njn: sounds like you're just hitting the startup cache.
# [01:09] <nalexander> njn: try -purgecaches?
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# [01:10] <@njn> nalexander: doesn't help -- is that a real option? I can't find it in the codebase
# [01:11] <nalexander> njn: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp#3706
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# [01:11] <nalexander> njn: that might only happen for xulrunner and friends?
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# [01:11] <nalexander> njn: I wanted to use this for Fennec; would be good to know if it doesn't work :)
# [01:12] <nalexander> njn: there's a bizarre pref, too, that can help -- let me dig:
# [01:12] <@njn> nalexander: setting MOZ_PURGE_CACHES also doesn't work
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# [01:12] <nalexander> njn: from https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Setting_up_extension_development_environment
# [01:13] <nalexander> njn: nglayout.debug.disable_xul_cache = true
# [01:13] <nalexander> njn: nglayout.debug.disable_xul_fastload
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# [01:13] <nalexander> njn: I can't recall which actually hits the JS cache. I found this helped while developing JS on Fennec; YMMV.
# [01:13] <@njn> nalexander: enable both of those?
# [01:14] <nalexander> njn: I think only one is needed (and a restart), but I can't recall which :(
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# [01:14] <nalexander> njn: in any case, it might just be that your issue is not the startup cache.
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# [01:15] <nalexander> njn: you could find a way to send "startupcache-invalidate"
# [01:15] <nalexander> njn: see http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/startupcache/StartupCache.cpp#227
# [01:15] <nalexander> njn: but again, you might not be hitting the startup cache :)
# [01:15] <@njn> nalexander: nope, doesn't fix it
# [01:15] <nalexander> njn: :(
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# [01:23] <jesup> decoder: duh! I'd switched, and then switched back and didn't notice the extra 'r'. Lets see if that works. Thanks!
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# [01:24] <jesup> decoder: another question re: tsan. There are some bits in Telemetry that scream to me "tsan violation" (the snapshot code in particular)
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# [01:28] <jesup> I'll dig out the code reference...
# [01:28] <froydnj> jesup: yes, we know
# [01:28] <jesup> ah, ok. Bug #?
# [01:29] <froydnj> I don't think there's a bug number for it
# [01:29] <jesup> Gotta keep the nuclear missiles in their silos.... ;-)
# [01:29] <jesup> :-(
# [01:29] <froydnj> I don't think we've ever talked about fixing it
# [01:29] <jesup> That's... bad
# [01:30] <jesup> derf: ^ :-(
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# [01:30] <froydnj> what's so bad about it beyond slightly inconsistent measurements?
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# [01:45] <@njn> who wants to give me a trivial r+? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4637634
# [01:45] <@njn> just a misplaced comma
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# [01:47] <@njn> nalexander: ?
# [01:47] <nalexander> njn: sure, but r=me or r=trivial, or no r at all is fine for obvious things :)
# [01:47] <nalexander> njn: but r=nalexander is fine too.
# [01:47] <@njn> nalexander: ta
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# [01:48] <@njn> nalexander: bah, the tree is closed
# [01:48] <nalexander> njn: lulz
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# [01:48] <@njn> I'll land it on beta and then backport later
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# [01:57] <KWierso|sheriffduty> njn: gogogo
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# [02:43] <cpeterson> r+
# [02:43] <@njn> Waldo: I don't understand what you're saying, but I assume it's a joke
# [02:43] <Waldo> njn: you had a space after "argh" and before the comma
# [02:44] <@njn> ah
# [02:44] <Waldo> and of course it was a joke, don't you know yet that it's usually a mistake to take me seriously? :-)
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# [04:56] <nigelb> mornin'
# [04:57] <bz> evenin'
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# [04:57] <Unfocused> afternoo'
# [04:58] <Unfocused> er, no, that doesn't quite work
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# [05:00] <nigelb> Unfocused: I expected you to tease us with your drink at this point :D
# [05:00] <Unfocused> hah
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# [05:00] <nigelb> (and followup with the tree lit up like christmas :P)
# [05:00] <KWierso|afk> nigh'
# [05:00] <Unfocused> no, at home, with an empty (non-alcoholic) ginger beer bottle
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# [05:01] <nigelb> :)
# [05:02] <nigelb> g'nite KWierso|afk
# [05:02] <nigelb> I managed to sleep through 2 alarms today.
# [05:02] <KWierso|afk> impressive
# [05:02] <Unfocused> heh nice
# [05:02] <Unfocused> especially impressive for you
# [05:03] <jld> Fortunately, I didn't checkin-needed the patch that would've broken the build for all non-ARM platforms. Yay?
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# [05:12] <osama> hello
# [05:12] <osama> why such a wide difference? - http://i.imgur.com/yYhp3Hp.png
# [05:13] <@khuey> probably from whatever "data" is
# [05:13] <@khuey> osama: file a bug with a link to the benchmark?
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# [05:14] <glob> "text parsing" is rather different too
# [05:14] <@khuey> yeah but its a factor 3.5, not of 10 :)
# [05:14] <bz> Isn't that just peacekeeper?
# [05:15] <bz> re benchmark?
# [05:15] <@khuey> I have no idea
# [05:15] <bz> certainly all the subtest names match peacekeeper
# [05:15] <@khuey> it doesn't provide any useful identifying information ...
# [05:15] <osama> yes it is peacekeeper
# [05:15] <bz> e.g. cf https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609835
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# [05:15] <bz> And https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918746
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# [05:16] <bz> Note that some of those tests aren't testing anything useful
# [05:16] <bz> e.g. pop() on an empty array
# [05:16] <@khuey> most benchmarks don't test anything useful
# [05:16] <bz> And we haven't focused much on benchmarketing for this benchmark so far...
# [05:17] <bz> (that being speeding up useless things a benchmark tests just because it tests it, not because anyone cares about them)
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# [05:18] <bz> I'm actually more interested in the domgetelements number there
# [05:18] <bz> And I guess domQuerySelector
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# [05:20] <bz> osama: anyway, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=peacekeeper and its dependencies
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# [05:21] <bz> "System JS : ERROR resource://gre/modules/osfile/osfile_async_front.jsm:61 - NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXPCComponents_Utils.import]"
# [05:21] <bz> Is that expected?
# [05:22] <@khuey> probably not
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# [05:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/322885ddb693 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 985685 - DrawRangeElements should call Before/AfterGLDrawCall(). - r=kamidphish
# [05:23] <aja> ouch....flashing black during scrolling and/or animation is back :(
# [05:23] * bz is seeing tons of that during startup.
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# [05:24] <@khuey> bz: file a bug, CC Yoric ?
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# [05:24] <bz> because the browser is also totally broken
# [05:25] <bz> ui wise
# [05:25] <bz> So something is fishy
# [05:25] <aja> inbound on WOW64....cam's paint-order enable by default was last checkin, fwiw
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# [05:27] <aja> so...something between that and earlier http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30e6959192db
# [05:28] <ewong> anyone know why (when building c-c), the conversion to COFF crashes? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4638953
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# [05:29] <ewong> on Vista 32 and VS2010
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# [05:44] <philor> bz: several bustages
# [05:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning
# [05:44] <bz> philor: looking
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# [05:45] <philor> markh: bustage I stole from you
# [05:45] <markh> oh noes
# [05:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ddf88afb0a2 - Anthony Jones - Bug 983633 - Error if filterdiff is required; r=gps
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# [05:46] <bz> hrm
# [05:46] <bz> navigator.mozAlarms
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# [05:46] <bz> one sec
# [05:46] <aja> bisecting the black flashing bug
# [05:46] <markh> philor: stole from me?
# [05:46] <philor> markh: your bustage, on my push
# [05:46] <bz> navigator.mozId
# [05:47] <bz> something is rotten
# [05:47] <markh> hmm
# [05:48] <markh> doesn't look like my bustage - although that means nothing on tbpl :/
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# [05:49] <markh> philor: oh, yes it does, sorry
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# [05:49] <aja> flashing bug is after http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/407a3ea120b0
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# [05:50] <markh> oh look, my try push failed in the same way :/
# [05:50] <bz> oh, duh
# [05:50] <bz> philor: fixing
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# [05:51] <markh> philor: do you have your backout gun handy? Mine's not particularly obvious
# [05:51] <markh> (ie, no trivial fix to push as a followup)
# [05:51] <philor> conveniently, I have my fx-team tree at tip already ;)
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# [05:57] <bz> philor: fixes those tests locally
# [05:58] <philor> rm -rf dom/alarm/?
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# [05:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9fe84f49b0ea - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 985827 followup. Remove shadowing variable that confuses things. r=bustage
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# [05:59] <bz> philor: not quite.
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# [06:02] <aja> heycam: pretty sure it was your checkin causing black flashing during scrolling and/or animation
# [06:03] <heycam> aja, which checkin?
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# [06:03] <heycam> aja, paint-order? that would be odd
# [06:03] <aja> heycam: the paint-order one
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# [06:04] <aja> bisected....double-checking my work
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# [06:16] <aja> heycam: nevermind....must have been something transient on my system....looks fine now
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# [07:05] <dougt> bz: i took an office poll. i'd had 12 r+'s on a hypothetical patch that would remove support for Java.
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# [07:05] <@bz> philor: well, oth is green
# [07:05] <dougt> many modules owners in that list.
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# [07:06] <@bz> dougt: hmm
# [07:06] <@bz> dougt: That is an interesting idea
# [07:07] <@bz> dougt: I wonder, now that we have click-to-play for it, whether we could get some telemetry going
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# [07:07] <@bz> dougt: to see how often people actually use it....
# [07:07] <dougt> i wonder if Jobs did that when he stop supporting Flash on his platform, or if Adobe did that when they stop support in Flash on mobile.
# [07:08] <@bz> dougt: It used to be there were Java applets around for some educational stuff, but maybe that's been going away to Flash and canvas
# [07:08] <@bz> dougt: telemetry?
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# [07:08] <dougt> let them use IE6 and eat cake.
# [07:08] <philor> bz: yeah, neither one of us is likely to stay up long enough to see about gaia-unit
# [07:08] <dougt> i also want to remove appcache.
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# [07:09] <dougt> that is a bigger pain for me. supporting it is kind of crappy as we don't really want to port it to the new cache.
# [07:09] <@bz> philor: gaia was the same issue, since it's mozAlarms
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# [07:09] <@bz> dougt: I'm totally on board with removing appcache
# [07:09] <dougt> we looked at something like 50k sites or so. 4 used appcache.
# [07:09] <@bz> dougt: does anyone use it?
# [07:09] <dougt> i think ian said something like it's called "app" cache, not web cache
# [07:10] <@bz> dougt: If they're done right, they'll work without too
# [07:10] <dougt> which is a very good point. it shouldn't have been deployed on the web.
# [07:10] <@bz> dougt: just possibly slower
# [07:10] * @bz emphasizes "possibly"
# [07:10] <dougt> i'll get a patch together and get your r/sr.
# [07:10] <dougt> we can put it into nightly and see if anything happens.
# [07:10] <@bz> mmm
# [07:10] <@bz> can you get r= from mayhemer and sr from sicking?
# [07:10] * @bz is kinda swamped
# [07:11] <@bz> Unless this will be some sort of pref flip one liner
# [07:11] <dougt> mostly wanting your nod that "yes, this is something mozilla should do" not "yes, this is all done correctly"
# [07:11] <@bz> That's the part you want from sicking
# [07:11] <@bz> since he's dealt with appcache more than I have
# [07:11] <dougt> sure.
# [07:11] <@bz> What I have to go on is hearsay that it doesn't actually do what people want.
# [07:12] <sicking> dougt: get the marketplace data and i'll sr
# [07:12] <@bz> And that they therefore don't use it.
# [07:12] <dougt> sicking: will do.
# [07:12] <sicking> dougt: do we have any telemetry at all?
# [07:12] <dougt> already talking to those folks about performance.
# [07:12] <@bz> which to me sounds like "nuke it"
# [07:12] <@bz> I wonderwhether it would make sense to formalize an "api owners" setup like blink has
# [07:12] <sicking> bz: we should!
# [07:12] <dougt> can we make this decision before setting up a formal panel to approve such a change?
# [07:13] <dougt> :)
# [07:13] <@bz> where you have a pool of people, and you need to get an ok from some quorum of them with no nays to ship APIs
# [07:13] <@bz> dougt: heh
# [07:13] <@bz> Because right now we seem to be making a lot of local and ad-hoc decisionmaking on things like this
# [07:13] <@bz> which worked ok when we were small
# [07:13] <sicking> dougt: i think removing APIs will require data generally
# [07:13] <@bz> but now there's stuff going on that people don't know about and are suddenly asked to make decisions on
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# [07:14] <sicking> dougt: as much as appcache is hated, i think some websites actually use it to get some perf (though i've never heard of anyone using it to get offline)
# [07:15] <dougt> bz: i understand that. but setting up panels and committees might not be the best path forward given the current resourcing we have.
# [07:15] <dougt> sicking: so, another approach that we might be able to do...
# [07:15] <dougt> is see if we can shim appcache on top of service workers.
# [07:16] <sicking> dougt: if we had something like this then i bet we could drop a lot of features: http://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/popularity
# [07:16] <sicking> dougt: oh, once we have SW we can kill appcache very quickly
# [07:16] <sicking> dougt: i thought you meant before that?
# [07:16] <dougt> sicking: just rm -rf , or build a shim?
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# [07:17] <sicking> dougt: kill it!
# [07:17] <dougt> it sounds like we are very close on service workers.
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# [07:17] <sicking> dougt: i doubt it. There's not even a spec draft yet
# [07:17] <sicking> dougt: an official one i mean
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# [07:17] <dougt> hmm.
# [07:18] <sicking> dougt: there will be a lot of arguing once that happens
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# [07:18] <dougt> so, maybe we should start doing a console.warning when people use appcache nwo
# [07:18] <dougt> in that way, developers that are paying attention will notice that the feature is deprecated.
# [07:18] <sicking> i guess
# [07:19] <sicking> it seems iffy to remove it before we have SW anyway. And relatively easy to remove it after
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# [07:21] * dougt shrugs
# [07:22] <dougt> if no one uses it, it just another surface area we have to worry about... and i want to remove the old darin-cache.
# [07:22] <dougt> we can't do that until appcache is gone (or we have to port it to the new cache which isn't something I want to spend on)
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# [07:22] <sicking> dougt: ok. Let's get some data then lets talk more
# [07:22] <dougt> anyhow... i think there is general consensus to rm appcache when service workers are available. I will get the data about the marketplace and let you know.
# [07:23] <dougt> :)
# [07:23] <sicking> thanks
# [07:23] <dougt> np
# [07:23] <dougt> oh, and rm -rf java too. :)
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# [07:27] <sicking> dougt: fun fact. I actually did this on my osx
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# [07:27] * @bz has turned off the java plugin
# [07:28] <@bz> but my browsing habits are ... atypical
# [07:28] <sicking> For some reason i couldn't get java disabled in firefox. We kept re-enabling it even though i turned it off in about:addons
# [07:28] <@bz> it's mostly like 5 sites
# [07:28] <sicking> so i forcefully removed the files from OSX
# [07:28] <dougt> right, people that know how are generally safer.
# [07:28] <sicking> do we even have java code these days? I thought they mostly use NPAPI?
# [07:28] <dougt> it kind of sucks that we scarifies the safety of all users for the few that use java
# [07:29] <@bz> sicking: there's some goop in objectloadingcontent and objectelement
# [07:29] <dougt> (maybe hyperbole, but it's late.)
# [07:29] <@bz> sicking: for dealing with <applet>
# [07:29] <sicking> ah, right
# [07:29] <dougt> johns ^
# [07:29] <@bz> sicking: and various other java-specific crap
# [07:29] <sicking> well... telemetry is king
# [07:29] <@bz> dougt: well, click-to-play by default is a good start...
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# [07:30] <dougt> click-to-play is a good default when we know that the plugin is more or less safe to load
# [07:30] <sicking> java might well fall below the 0.03% limit that Chrome use. If so we can probably coordinate with them
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# [07:30] <@bz> dougt: fair
# [07:31] * @bz suggests a shumway-like project for Java
# [07:31] <@bz> (no, not seriously!)
# [07:31] <sicking> i've enabled click-to-play for flash. But it's definitely a pain in the ass
# [07:31] <dougt> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=C8973BC8-BF92-13D3-558AFF899D6FAFE8
# [07:31] <@bz> sicking: yeah, I found some sites that didn't work right
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# [07:31] <sicking> bz: i use chrome for those
# [07:31] <@bz> sicking: the ability to allow-and-enable sitewide we have now helps
# [07:31] <sicking> bz: right
# [07:32] <@bz> Actually, browserstack was the only one I had an issue with
# [07:32] <sicking> bz: sadly we don't have allow-and-enable based on the site that hosts the flash. So I can't get youtube to automatically work
# [07:32] <@bz> dougt: sure
# [07:32] <glob> bz, http://int3.github.io/doppio/about.html
# [07:32] <@bz> dougt: counting exploits is an interesting game....
# [07:32] <sicking> if that was fixed it would be pretty tolerable
# [07:32] <@bz> dougt: see pwn2own this year?
# [07:33] <@bz> glob: hmm
# [07:33] <@bz> glob: I guess as long as the applet doesn't use anything too privileged that would work!
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# [07:34] <dougt> bz: very much so.
# [07:34] <glob> bz, the only time i've had to write a java applet is when i need access to the o/s's crypto functions (smartcards, etc)
# [07:34] <sicking> glob: how's perf?
# [07:34] <dougt> bz: sandbox will help. sid's working on it.
# [07:34] <dougt> doesn't help that bondy left.
# [07:35] <glob> sicking, perf needs help
# [07:35] <@bz> dougt: content process sandbox, you mean?
# [07:35] <dougt> y
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# [07:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca38dab56641 - Edwin Flores - Bug 941298 - Fix errors in content/media/fmp4 on Linux with clang and --enable-warnings-as-errors r=cpearce
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# [07:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2df0b05cb911 - Edwin Flores - Bug 941298 - FFmpeg headers for FFmpeg PlatformDecoderModule r=doublec
# [07:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/56244a819a29 - Edwin Flores - Bug 941298 - Build changes for FFmpeg PlatformDecoderModule r=gps
# [07:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4cedbdf21ddd - Edwin Flores - Bug 941298 - FFmpeg PlatformDecoderModule for Linux r=doublec,cpearce
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# [07:39] * @bz finds the "interpreter design" section, which explains why the perf needs help
# [07:40] <@bz> jits do not like interpreters
# [07:40] <@bz> Even without the huge switch you get nasty polymorphism at the dispatch site
# [07:40] <@bz> So if your ops are thin enough, your dispatch totally overwhelms everything else
# [07:41] <@bz> I wonder how something like a trace compiler to JS would do....
# [07:41] <@bz> or something
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# [07:44] <jesup> bz: I wonder if there are classes of users who depend heavily on things like Java (enterprises in particular). Users can get tripped up by the "site I must use is broken by removing X" making them switch, even though 99% of their browsing doesn't need it. Not that I love keeping old features (or Java) around.
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# [07:44] <@bz> jesup: right
# [07:44] <jesup> Making them painful-but-usable helps move sites off these apis
# [07:44] <@bz> jesup: that is the big worry with Java....
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# [07:45] <jesup> I know there are lots of enterprises with a lot of sunk cost depending on Java, and since it's internal they don't really care about the sec issues
# [07:46] <sicking> bz: or a cross compiling using eval()
# [07:47] <@bz> sicking: c.f. http://robert.ocallahan.org/2010/11/implementing-high-performance-emulator_01.html
# [07:47] <sicking> jesup, bz: it'd be interesting to get telemetry not just on "percentage of pages using X" but also on "percentage of users that use X"
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# [07:48] <philor> bz: the first bit of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36489301&tree=Mozilla-Inbound might still be you
# [07:48] <jesup> yes
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# [07:49] <@bz> man
# [07:49] <@bz> thunderbird has UI to do find-and-replace on a mail you're composing
# [07:49] <@bz> that seems to not work???
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# [07:52] <@bz> philor: looking
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# [07:53] <@bz> philor: uh
# [07:53] <@bz> philor: there are failures in there for the wifi stuff???
# [07:54] <@bz> philor: (I'm thinking about the other part of it, but how come those didn't turn the tree orange earlier?)
# [07:55] <@bz> philor|away: wait, which part do you think is me?
# [07:56] <Jesse> i like seeing an occasional "the tree is not orange enough!" among all the "the tree is too orange!"
# [07:56] <@bz> well, a change landed that was bogus
# [07:56] <@bz> and I was trying to figure out how it was passing tests
# [07:56] <@bz> and we thought we figured it out
# [07:57] <@bz> but here is a log showing it failing!
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# [07:59] <decoder> jesup: if they scream tsan violation then they violate thread-safety^^
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# [08:00] <@khuey> thread safety is over rated
# [08:00] <decoder> in many cases it suffices to make certain variables atomic
# [08:00] <jesup> decoder: yup.... we cleaned out pretty much all the tsan violations in webrtc a while back
# [08:01] <decoder> yea, thats really great
# [08:01] <decoder> i wish all would do that^^
# [08:01] <jesup> cdiehl++
# [08:01] <decoder> there are still many tsan violations in our code
# [08:01] <decoder> i havent even reported all yet
# [08:01] <jesup> decoder: :-(
# [08:01] <decoder> i need to get back to that
# [08:01] <decoder> it's getting better though
# [08:02] <jesup> As with many, it took a little convincing for me to believe tsan - the key is "the compiler is allowed to do evil things under the presumption threads don't exist" more or less
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# [08:03] <decoder> yea. and even if a situation is benign (which is really hard to tell), it's still valuable to fix it
# [08:03] <decoder> so we can detect the real problems better
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# [08:04] <@bz> This is not making sense
# [08:04] <@bz> khuey: ping
# [08:04] <@khuey> bz: hi
# [08:04] <decoder> people are really quick to say either "this is a benign race" or "this is a bug in tsan"
# [08:04] <@bz> khuey: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36489301&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [08:04] <@bz> khuey: note that test_interfaces failures in there
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# [08:05] <@khuey> bz: wtf weren't we looking at this earlier?
# [08:05] <jesup> and "benign" mostly means "current compiler doesn't do anything evil in that location" - future compiler might. Even current compiler could depending on other code around it, opt level, etc.
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# [08:05] <decoder> jesup: yep
# [08:06] <@bz> khuey: yes
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# [08:06] <jesup> There is no such thing as a benign race (except if you use asm or atomic)
# [08:06] <@bz> khuey: Oh, and they started appearing on this push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=322885ddb693
# [08:06] <@bz> khuey: which seems nonsensical
# [08:06] <decoder> jesup: i had people go as far as telling me that if the compiler did something like that (exploit undefined behavior for optimizations), then it would be considered broken
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# [08:06] <@bz> But the run at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=66006ee3eb18 definitely does not have those failures
# [08:06] <decoder> but in fact, that's already common practice
# [08:06] <decoder> not necessarily for threads, but for all sorts of undefined behavior
# [08:07] <decoder> esp. integer arithmetics
# [08:07] <jesup> decoder: I can see thinking that :-)
# [08:07] <decoder> which people keep not believing
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# [08:07] <@bz> Bit the ones since then do
# [08:07] <@bz> wtf?
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# [08:07] <@khuey> bz: that's ... bizarre
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# [08:08] <jesup> compilers need --threadsafe-code and --use-obvious-math ;-)
# [08:09] <decoder> http://blog.regehr.org/archives/759
# [08:09] <decoder> john regehr has lots of nice examples, including a contest^^
# [08:09] <decoder> lol @ those flags
# [08:10] <@bz> khuey: yes, it is
# [08:10] <jesup> atomic is kinda like --threadsafe-code but much finer-grained. To deal with tsan reports, it'd be handy at times to just flag functions to be threadsafe codegen
# [08:11] <@bz> Also, test_networkstats_basics.html seems to be kinda permaorange on b2g emulator...
# [08:11] <@bz> which _may_ be my fault...
# [08:11] * @bz is digging
# [08:11] <@khuey> shame we don't print mochitest output by default anymore
# [08:11] <@bz> heh
# [08:12] <@bz> as in, would have been nice to hear whether they even got tested before?
# [08:12] <@khuey> yes
# [08:12] <@bz> Oh
# [08:12] <@bz> So that could in fact be
# [08:13] <@khuey> bz: we got rid of the crazy preserve the navigator across navigations stuff right?
# [08:13] <@bz> I mean the test_networkstats thing
# [08:13] <@bz> khuey: pretty sure, yes
# [08:13] <@khuey> ok
# [08:13] <@khuey> so it's unlikely the tests you added are affecting test_interfaces
# [08:13] <@bz> So can you sanity-check me
# [08:13] <@khuey> bz: is that test leaving the wifi perm in a broken state?
# [08:13] <@bz> JSAutoCompartment ac(aCx, naviObj);
# [08:13] <@bz> But that's scoped to the webidl case
# [08:14] <@bz> The other case is NOT doing that
# [08:14] <@khuey> link?
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# [08:14] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/Navigator.cpp?mark=1829#1795
# [08:14] <decoder> jesup: http://kqueue.org/blog/2013/09/17/cltq/ is also a nice read if you dont know that yet :D
# [08:15] <@bz> Or better yet http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/Navigator.cpp?mark=1829-1829#1795
# [08:15] * decoder brb
# [08:15] <@bz> And mozNetworkStats is not webidl
# [08:15] <@bz> khuey: want to review another bustage fix? :(
# [08:16] <@khuey> sure
# [08:16] <@bz> khuey: we're caching an object that's wrapped into a chrome compartment
# [08:16] <@bz> khuey: and then content can't touch it
# [08:16] <@khuey> right
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# [08:16] <@bz> philor++
# [08:16] <@bz> I wonder why this used to be an intermittent, though
# [08:16] <@bz> That seems _really_ weird
# [08:17] <@khuey> so this is a known intermittent failure we made permanent?
# [08:17] <@bz> at first glance, yes
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# [08:17] <@khuey> that's ... crazy
# [08:18] <@bz> Ah, not quite
# [08:18] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958689
# [08:18] <@bz> That has
# [08:18] <@bz> 09:45:10 INFO - 12601 ERROR TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /tests/dom/network/tests/test_networkstats_alarms.html | uncaught exception - TypeError: navigator.mozNetworkStats is null at http://mochi.test:8888/tests/dom/network/tests/test_networkstats_alarms.html:19
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# [08:18] <@bz> But our new thing is:
# [08:18] <@bz> 282 INFO TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /tests/dom/network/tests/test_networkstats_basics.html | uncaught exception - Error: Permission denied to access property 'getTime' at http://mochi.test:8888/tests/dom/network/tests/test_networkstats_basics.html:215
# [08:18] <@khuey> yeah those are not the same
# [08:19] <@khuey> although mozNetworkStats randomly being null seems pretty crazy too
# [08:19] <@bz> yes, it does
# [08:20] <@bz> but note that this test sets prefs
# [08:20] <@bz> and then does stuff
# [08:20] <@bz> and on b2g, who knows what that does
# [08:20] <@bz> e.g. can it race?
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# [08:20] * @bz thought it could
# [08:21] <@khuey> oh boy
# [08:21] <@khuey> I'm sure it can do all sorts of crazy things
# [08:21] <@bz> er, wait
# [08:21] <@bz> that test does pushPrefEnv
# [08:21] <@bz> I was looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/network/tests/test_networkstats_enabled_no_perm.html?force=1
# [08:21] <@bz> which just does a setpref
# [08:21] <jesup> decoder: cute. I knew about -fwrapv (we have a report of a dependency on overflow behavior in the upstream webrtc code for calculating timestamps, which are defined in the IETF to overflow at 2^32)
# [08:21] <@bz> <sigh>
# [08:22] <@khuey> I still have no explanation for the test_interfaces thing
# [08:22] * @bz has no clue why wrapping in the wrong compartment made navigator.mozNetworkStats.getAvailableNetworks not throw
# [08:22] <@bz> Nor why it normally throws!
# [08:23] <@bz> (note this is not _calling_ the method; just getting it!)
# [08:23] <@khuey> bz: if you have something you want me to review I need to see it soon
# [08:23] <@khuey> we're boarding shortly
# [08:24] <@bz> ok
# [08:24] <@bz> khuey: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4639964
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# [08:25] <@bz> er, assume I also passed naviObj, not aObject, as the second arg to WrapNative
# [08:26] <@khuey> heh
# [08:26] <@bz> This is what comes from writing a patch in a hurry. :(
# [08:26] <@khuey> indeed
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# [08:27] <@khuey> bz: r=me
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# [08:28] <@bz> khuey: thanks
# [08:28] <@bz> khuey: have a good flight!
# [08:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c902425901af - Boris Zbarsky - Another bug 985827 followup. Make sure to not cache things wrapped in an Xray compartment on the navigator object. r=khuey
# [08:29] <jesup> decoder: Oooh, nasty. I could see code like this living in our codebase... http://lwn.net/Articles/278137/
# [08:30] <@bz> edwin: ping
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# [08:30] <@khuey> bz: I will try
# [08:30] <@khuey> bz: good luck figuring out the test_interfaces things
# [08:30] <decoder> jesup: yes, I already found some of these
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# [08:31] <decoder> jesup: ubsan detects them. unfortunately, we have many things that ubsan reports that we dont want to fix
# [08:31] <decoder> in particular you need to exclude the whole layout/ subsystem because it has tons of int->float->int casts, and float/int overflows that nobody cares about (they will just mess up the layout)
# [08:31] <@bz> Oh, get this
# [08:31] <@bz> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36486942&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [08:31] <@bz> That's _before_ my push!
# [08:32] <@bz> But on bholley's xray changes!
# [08:32] <@bz> In any case, this is definitely a correct change.
# [08:32] <@bz> Whether it fixes the orange....
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# [08:33] <@bz> oooh
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# [08:33] <@bz> This is using Dates
# [08:33] <@bz> and bholley changed Date
# [08:33] <@bz> alert, alert
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# [08:36] <@bz> Is there a way to _unstar_ things?
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# [08:37] <dholbert> bz, on tbpl?
# [08:37] <@bz> yes
# [08:37] <decoder> jesup: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=922603 is a good example btw :)
# [08:37] <@bz> Like if something is starred incorrectly
# [08:39] <dholbert> bz, not that I'm aware of. My solution to that has been "figure out what the correct thing to star it with is [possibly filing a randomorange bug or backing out or whatever] and add an additional star-comment"
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# [08:40] <dholbert> with varying levels of vigilance depending on how much it matters
# [08:40] <@bz> ok
# [08:40] <jesup> yeah, we don't check for the unsigned overflow in timestamps (but assume it, and stuff will break (safely) if it doesn't 2's-complement-overflow)
# [08:40] * jesup is reminded to make a patch for that issue to send upstream
# [08:41] <@bz> alright
# [08:41] <@bz> well, we have a permaorange M7 on bg2 only
# [08:41] <@bz> yay
# [08:41] <@bz> Should we back out bholley, or just wait for morning?
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# [08:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bz: i can backout bholley for the perma oranges
# [08:43] <@bz> Tomcat|sheriffduty!
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# [08:43] <@bz> Tomcat|sheriffduty: please?
# [08:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah sure np :)
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# [08:43] <@bz> Tomcat|sheriffduty: also, if edwin is not around, back him out too for the M3?
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# [08:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok
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# [08:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> closing inbound for the backouts
# [08:44] <@bz> At least assuming that test_seekable is him
# [08:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [08:44] <@bz> which is pretty plausible
# [08:44] <@bz> given what he touched
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# [08:45] <@bz> Note that you may still end up with test_interfaces orange
# [08:45] <@bz> which makes no sense to me
# [08:45] <@bz> since that was introduced in bug 886110
# [08:45] <@bz> Which has been in for a while here....
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# [08:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah will look into that too
# [08:48] <jesup> decoder: I wonder how many devs regularly test their patches with ASAN before landing... (I do pretty often)
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# [08:49] <jesup> I know padenot does too :-)
# [08:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bz: ok backedout bholley now
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# [08:52] <jesup> decoder: well, that's not good starting an ASAN build: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4640141 (--disable-optimize, --enable-debug --enable-debug-symbols) etc
# [08:53] <jesup> decoder: aha, I've seen this before: warning: Corrupted shared library list: 0x61a00002dc80 != 0x61a000002480 Now to remember *why* that happens
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# [08:54] <decoder> jesup: testing with asan is on by default on tbpl, so it *shouldnt* be necessary
# [08:55] <decoder> is that linux?
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# [08:55] <jesup> yes
# [08:55] <decoder> strange, never seen that
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# [08:55] <decoder> jesup: im in a hurry right now and cant help much more. but you can push to try if you cannot figure it out locally
# [08:55] <jesup> repeatable, though the evil stack is different. thread 1 is the crashed thread; the others have reasonable stacks
# [08:55] <decoder> linux64-asan
# [08:56] <jesup> decoder: catch you later. thanks
# [08:58] <jesup> decoder: FYI, no code I modified should have run yet (window hasn't even opened)
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# [09:09] <jesup> sigh. Rebuilding with my patches out, though likely will not change
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# [09:10] <jesup> decoder: does our asan test on try do a debug/no-opt build? I'm guessing not, but....
# [09:11] <jesup> same problem with a clean repo
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# [10:05] <decoder> jesup: thats interesting. i wouldnt expect that. but then again, asan builds without any optimization would get really slow
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# [10:06] <jesup> Is there a special flag to ./mach to run mochitests in an ASAN build? certutil: function failed: PR_LOAD_LIBRARY_ERROR: Failure to load dynamic library /home/jesup/src/mozilla/asan-inbound/objdir-asan/dist/bin/libmozsqlite3.so: undefined symbol: __asan_report_load1
# [10:07] <jesup> decoder: from the stack it feels like jit code, but not sure. Yes, the debug no-opt builds were slow - I didn't care much; they're easier to debug. Seems like we broke that....
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# [10:11] <decoder> jesup: it still looks like you have build issues there
# [10:11] <decoder> mochitests run fine on tbpl
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# [10:14] <jesup> ./mach mochitest-plain dom/media/tests/mochitest/
# [10:14] <jesup> on tbpl they're running packaged builds; not quite the same thing IIRC
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# [10:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/584c7a6d5a09 - Henrik Skupin - Bug 982591 - Update TPS to retrieve keys from server instead of hard-coding them. r=warner
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# [10:29] <decoder> jesup: ah i might know what it could be. libmozsqlite is built with asan instrumentation, but certutil is not because you set HOST_CFLAGS to " ". that was working at some point but maybe that isnt working anymore
# [10:29] <decoder> tbpl builds dont do that
# [10:30] <decoder> i can test that when im back home next week
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# [10:40] <idwer> so, what more info/details can I supply to reproduce bug #950399?
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# [12:04] <gfritzsche> hm, what will actually happen to the RB reviews we have now if the RB instance goes down or moves?
# [12:05] <gfritzsche> i hope we're not potentially losing them
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# [12:07] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, we'll lose them
# [12:08] <gfritzsche> argh?
# [12:08] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, which is why people shouldn't use it until we've got comment mirroring to bmo
# [12:08] <gfritzsche> yeah, but it is already being used by people
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# [12:09] <Ms2ger> Those people are irresponsible, IMO
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# [12:19] <Unfocused> er, there's no warning of this *anwhere*
# [12:21] <Unfocused> but also, meh, fuck the system
# [12:22] <Ms2ger> No, not the system
# [12:22] <Ms2ger> Fuck whoever is trying to figure what you were trying to do
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# [13:10] <Gijs> how do other people use hg qdel on Windows?
# [13:10] <Gijs> retyping patch names is really annoying
# [13:10] <adalucinet> Hi. Is there a way to verify that Gstreamer1.0 is used by default, not 0.10? or if I configure with --enable-gstreamer=1.0 and compile it's enough?
# [13:10] <Gijs> and I've not heard of a way to get completion to work in msys' shell
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# [13:19] <Unfocused> Gijs: usually copy and paste. i use ConEmu as my console, makes copy and paste nice like on linux
# [13:19] <Unfocused> though i really do wish i had autocomplete for mq
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# [13:20] <Ms2ger> Gijs, don't use qdel? :)
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# [13:23] <Gijs> Ms2ger: is this "do not use mq" in disguise?
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# [13:23] <Ms2ger> Nah, just use qfin
# [13:23] <Gijs> Ms2ger: but sometimes I'm reviewing patches and those I don't end up landing...
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# [13:24] <Ms2ger> You put those into your mq? Interesting
# [13:24] <Unfocused> i do too
# [13:24] <Unfocused> i have a queue just for reviews
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# [13:25] <Unfocused> though sometimes they end up in my normal patch queue too
# [13:26] <Unfocused> especially if i want to pull them into my queue on another tree/machine/vm
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# [13:29] <Gijs> Unfocused: I do use conemu, but copy-paste requires mouse :(
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# [13:31] <Unfocused> yea :\
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# [13:50] <MarcoZ> Good morning! Anyone have an idea why, when building Fennec on OS X 10.9.2 from Inbound, I get these kinds of errors? 13:24.16 /Users/marcozehe/mozilla-inbound/modules/freetype2/src/sfnt/pngshim.c:334: error: undefined reference to 'png_set_read_user_transform_fn'
# [13:50] <MarcoZ> I haven't changed my build env in weeks, or even months, and two or three weeks ago, it was still building fine.
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# [13:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/569ab9f8ff19 - Jed Davis - Bug 943174 - Avoid waitpid on already-reaped content processes. r=bsmedberg
# [13:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b7da9111c2e9 - Alessio Placitelli - Bug 950076 - Propagate OOM errors to innerHTML getters. r=jst
# [13:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b55547f3b36 - Alessio Placitelli - Bug 950076 - Use the return value of GetNodeTextContent for OOM checks. r=jst
# [13:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/135ccd1d6fb1 - James Kitchener - Bug 518592 - Fix single char <mi> frame type and add a test for dotless i. r=karlt
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# [13:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/907d1ff0c7ab - Simone Carletti - Bug 967524 - Update to CentralNic SLDs. r=gerv
# [13:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9fc71a41bee5 - Alessio Placitelli - Bug 950076 - Add a fallible form of nsAString::Append and Replace and use it in nsTextFragment::AppendTo. r=bsmedberg, r=jst
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# [13:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b19ddc0219f5 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 984823 - Use clamp to edges with tiles on b2g. r=Cwiiis
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# [13:58] <Gijs> Ms2ger: perhaps you can explain this... why does: window.matchMedia("-moz-windows-default-theme") not match, while window.matchMedia("(-moz-windows-default-theme)") does? :)
# [13:58] <Gijs> (assuming one is indeed using the default theme)
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# [13:59] <Ms2ger> Interesting
# [13:59] <Ms2ger> I don't
# [13:59] <Gijs> Ms2ger: the query for the former does look like it's parsed correctly
# [13:59] <Ms2ger> Or *can't
# [13:59] <Gijs> (unlike, say, -moz-os-version: windows-win8, which isn't even parsed correctly when used without parentheses)
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# [14:00] <Gijs> (that makes slightly more sense, though... although only slightly)
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# [14:28] <firebot> evilpie was last seen 18 hours, 7 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying 'I think we should be good again, sorry guys' in #developers.
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# [14:37] <RattyAway> evilpie: the reporter of Bug 910729 set importance to blocker. It may be a blocker for his product, but not for Firefox I don't think. Want me to downgrade the bug?
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# [14:37] <evilpie> oh I wonder what happened there
# [14:37] <evilpie> it's definitely not a blocker for me ;)
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# [14:42] <MarcoZ> Hi there! Repeating a question from earlier since I might have missed a reply due to Wifi dropout...
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# [14:43] <MarcoZ> Anyone know why, when building Fennec on OS X 10.9.2 now, I am getting this and similar errors? 13:24.16 /Users/marcozehe/mozilla-inbound/modules/freetype2/src/sfnt/pngshim.c:352: error: undefined reference to 'png_read_image'
# [14:43] <davidb> i probably missed it
# [14:43] <davidb> dunno
# [14:43] <MarcoZ> Haven't changed my build env in weeks and also not the MOZCONFIG. And last attempt worked fine, but now builds fail with a huge lot of errors in the above file and related ones.
# [14:43] <davidb> did you clobber?
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# [15:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RyanVM: we need to backout 18f579c4308e from fx-team i think
# [15:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i can do that if you are busy
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# [15:00] <RyanVM> sure looks that way :)
# [15:00] <RyanVM> go for it
# [15:00] <RyanVM> Yoric ^
# [15:00] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36500289&tree=Fx-Team
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# [15:00] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: might be an easy fix
# [15:00] <RyanVM> hang on a sec
# [15:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok :)
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# [15:02] <Yoric> Oh.
# [15:02] <Yoric> It's |throw error|, not |throw ex|.
# [15:02] * Yoric wonders why this didn't show up in his tests.
# [15:02] <Yoric> Ah, perhaps I only tested on b2g.
# [15:03] <Yoric> RyanVM: Sorry about that. Can you do the easy fix?
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# [15:03] <RyanVM> Yoric: pastebin a diff
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# [15:04] <RyanVM> mmm, xperf orange too
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# [15:04] <Gijs> Ms2ger: filed bug 986483; I'd love ideas about a better summary / place for it to live
# [15:04] <RyanVM> Yoric: before you get too far ahead of yourself
# [15:04] <RyanVM> this probably needs backing out anyway
# [15:04] <RyanVM> Yoric: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36500476&tree=Fx-Team
# [15:04] <RyanVM> not sure if that's going to be a quick fix ;)
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# [15:05] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RyanVM: also bustage on m-i from e9c807b1e3d4 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36500526&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [15:05] <Yoric> RyanVM: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4646913
# [15:05] <Yoric> RyanVM: That one doesn't look related to my changes.
# [15:05] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: lol, no comment on the patch author
# [15:06] <Yoric> Nor that last one.
# [15:06] <RyanVM> Yoric: uh, $logfile showing up is sure suspicious
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# [15:06] <Yoric> RyanVM: Let me take a second look.
# [15:06] <Yoric> What's that ${logfile}?
# [15:06] <RyanVM> beats me
# [15:07] <RyanVM> Yoric: let me see if either of those other two patches have Try runs that include win7
# [15:07] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: let's close fx-team for now
# [15:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah and will do the backout from m-i too
# [15:08] <Yoric> The change to places-sqlite.wal makes me think that it's completely unrelated to my change.
# [15:08] <Yoric> I can push to try, though.
# [15:08] <mak> Yoric: ?
# [15:08] <RyanVM> jmaher: any suggestions for debugging which patch an xperf orange would have come from?
# [15:08] <Yoric> mak: See https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36500476&tree=Fx-Team
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# [15:09] <mak> Yoric: someone is opening/closing a connection too late
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# [15:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RyanVM: ok fx-team and m-i are closed, will do the m-i bustage backout while you guys can work on fx-team :)
# [15:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d0cf18ff619d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset e9c807b1e3d4 (bug 985257) for bustage.
# [15:09] <jmaher> RyanVM: no idea really, looks like Yoric is on the case
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# [15:09] <Yoric> mak: Ok. Given that my patch only changes logging of OS.File, I believe that it's unrelated :)
# [15:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh you were faster :)
# [15:09] <RyanVM> Yoric: jmaher: the other two patches are devtools related
# [15:10] <RyanVM> FFS, cabanier
# [15:10] <mak> Yoric: hm there are other failures there... something about idleobserver that make me think something broke some Places code
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# [15:10] <jmaher> where is the list of changes?
# [15:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok merge time also ...
# [15:10] <Yoric> I'll run my Try and see what this gives.
# [15:10] <mak> Yoric: could be those existed before too, but please check
# [15:10] <Yoric> merge time?
# [15:10] <Yoric> I thought we had merged a few days ago
# [15:11] <jmaher> RyanVM: somebody is writing 35K bytes to prefs-1.js
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# [15:11] <RyanVM> "sure the rev I pushed to try on top of was nearly completely busted, but that run is totally valid for my patch still, right?"
# [15:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Yoric: oh meant more m-i,fx-team and b2g-i to m-c :)
# [15:11] <Yoric> ok
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# [15:11] <RyanVM> i'm about to start boycotting him until he gets less sloppy
# [15:11] <Yoric> RyanVM: Anyway, don't hesitate to backout my patch.
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# [15:11] <RyanVM> seems like every frickin patch of his bounces the first time
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# [15:12] <Yoric> Who are you talking about?
# [15:12] * Yoric hopes it's not him.
# [15:12] <RyanVM> Yoric: nah, you cleaned up your act ;)
# [15:12] <Yoric> pfeww
# [15:12] <RyanVM> 10:09:15 AM - RyanVM: FFS, cabanier
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# [15:13] <RyanVM> jmaher: shockingly, no talos runs in those try pushes
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# [15:14] <jmaher> oh fun
# [15:14] <jmaher> RyanVM: well, I wouldn't expect most people to run talos on try
# [15:14] <RyanVM> exactly
# [15:14] <jmaher> but if they are not around to speak up for their patch when it fails
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# [15:15] <jmaher> the good thing about xperf failing is that it is really hard to make it random orange
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# [15:16] <Yoric> RyanVM: Do you want to run Try Talos for my patch?
# [15:17] <RyanVM> Yeah, I just don't know which of the 3 could be at fault here - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=18f579c4308e
# [15:17] <jmaher> oh we could use that fancy new hook into buildbot scheduling for it ;)
# [15:17] <RyanVM> oooo
# [15:17] <RyanVM> good call!
# [15:17] <RyanVM> we can run it on the other two patches too
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# [15:18] <RyanVM> jmaher: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=12ae2177e3bd
# [15:18] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=be18913fc836
# [15:18] <RyanVM> those are the other two runs
# [15:18] <jmaher> now, how to use this new tool?!?
# [15:19] <RyanVM> hah, I was hoping you knew :P
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# [15:19] <RyanVM> asking in #releng
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# [15:20] <RyanVM> mmm, mochitest-bc orange on that push now too
# [15:20] <RyanVM> maybe related to the m-oth orange
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# [15:31] <RyanVM> Yoric: I'm just going to backout the entire push rather than waiting on Try results
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# [15:33] <Yoric> RyanVM: Yes, that makes sense.
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# [15:33] <daleharvey> hmm, if sicking and bent arent around, who do I ask about indexeddb?
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# [15:34] <daleharvey> khuey|away: ping :)
# [15:34] <daleharvey> cheers
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# [15:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi fabrice can i help :)
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# [15:52] <kats> how come https://git.mozilla.org/?p=releases/gecko.git;a=summary hasn't been updated since yesterday?
# [15:52] <kats> at least the master branch
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# [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kats: we had issues with git yesterday but better place for the question might be #releng
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# [15:53] <kats> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok, thanks
# [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> they might know if this is related to bug 985864
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# [15:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f11569eb914c - Jan de Mooij - Bug 983709 part 1 - Don't mark shift instructions as commutative. r=h4writer
# [15:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba7088a1f186 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 983709 part 2 - Fix MBinaryInstruction to not override congruentTo. r=h4writer
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# [16:01] <Optimizer> sherrifs - can we see the window/docshell which is leaked from tbpl logs ?
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# [16:06] * @bz discovers a weird new technique for filing bugs
# [16:06] <@bz> if bug A causes a regression....
# [16:06] <@bz> clone bug A
# [16:06] <@bz> and file that with the "regression" flag
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# [16:06] <@bz> leaving the original summary
# [16:06] <@bz> Not confusing at all?
# [16:06] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning bz , btw that backout from bholley's patch worked to fix that orange
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# [16:07] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Optimizer: hm good question, maybe RyanVM knows - i guess it should be in the log or maybe https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLeakAnalysis.php?id= should show this
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# [16:08] <Optimizer> what is the id there ?
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# [16:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> its id from the log
# [16:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36502942&tree=Mozilla-Inbound there is the id = 36502942
# [16:09] <@bz> Tomcat|sheriffduty: goodmorning
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# [16:10] <Optimizer> Tomcat|sheriffduty: giving unknown id for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=29bcc82f7302
# [16:10] <Optimizer> when hitting https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLeakAnalysis.php?id=29bcc82f7302&tree=Try
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# [16:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Optimizer: ah ok the correct link would be https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLeakAnalysis.php?id=36486451
# [16:12] <Optimizer> it says no domwindow leaked
# [16:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but no clue where to find the data you need
# [16:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> maybe jmaher|afk knows
# [16:14] <Optimizer> Tomcat|sheriffduty: how did you come up with that id ?
# [16:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Optimizer: oh i loaded the try push you mentioned
# [16:15] <Optimizer> oh
# [16:15] <Optimizer> the parsed logs !
# [16:15] <Optimizer> i see
# [16:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [16:24] <@ehsan> Yoric: ping
# [16:25] <@ehsan> !seen Yoric
# [16:25] <@killer> Yoric is on the channel right now!
# [16:25] <firebot> yoric was last seen 51 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying 'RyanVM: Yes, that makes sense.' in #developers.
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# [16:31] <sheppy> Web APIs documentation meeting in 30 minutes! Everyone's welcome; see https://etherpad.mozilla.org/WebAPI-docs-2014-03-21 for info on how to attend and the agenda.
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# [16:34] <@bz> For a Mac app started via double-clicking the icon..
# [16:34] <@bz> does stdout go anywhere where someone can see it?
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# [16:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> console log maybe
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# [16:35] <@bz> Doesn't seem to. :(
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# [16:35] <@bz> ok
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# [16:39] <ioana> hello! Does anyone know a hg option so I can specify a single revision to "update" the repo to that point?
# [16:39] <geekboy> froydnj: ping?
# [16:39] <hub> ioana: -r
# [16:39] <ioana> hub: thanks :)
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# [16:39] <hub> | hg help update| works
# [16:39] <hub> :-)
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# [16:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Optimizer: you good?
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# [16:41] <Optimizer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: as in ? :)
# [16:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (reading scrollback)
# [16:42] <ioana> hub: it doesn't recognize either options: -r or update
# [16:42] <Optimizer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh no. i still need a way to find the leaking docshell
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# [16:42] <hub> ioana: it works here. no idea then
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# [16:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> tbpl link?
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# [16:43] <ioana> hub: I guess I have to try an update of mercurial
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# [16:43] <ioana> anyway, thanks
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# [16:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Optimizer: so, from one of the logs
# [16:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> 03:29:15 WARNING - TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | browser/devtools/netmonitor/test/browser_net_timing-division.js | leaked 1 window(s) until shutdown [url = chrome://browser/content/devtools/framework/toolbox.xul]
# [16:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> 03:29:15 WARNING - TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | browser/devtools/netmonitor/test/browser_net_timing-division.js | leaked 1 window(s) until shutdown [url = about:blank]
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# [16:45] <Optimizer> RyanVM|sheriffduty: not that one, the storage_listings one
# [16:46] <Yoric> ehsan: quick pong, but I need to leave in ~1 minute.
# [16:46] <@ehsan> Yoric: commented on the bug
# [16:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Optimizer: hrm
# [16:47] <Yoric> ok
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# [16:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Optimizer: good question
# [16:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jmaher: ping
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# [16:57] <@ehsan> Gijs: let me know if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=985777#c11 is helpful
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# [16:58] <Gijs> ehsan: yeah, it isn't really. :\
# [16:58] <Gijs> switchToTabHavingURI is also used internally
# [16:58] <Gijs> and we expect it to Just Work
# [16:59] <@ehsan> Gijs: well, your expectation is incorrect :)
# [16:59] <Gijs> (about:addons does the same, IIRC)
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# [16:59] <Gijs> well, we should fix it so that the expectation is correct
# [16:59] <@ehsan> Gijs: what is broken exactly?
# [16:59] <Gijs> I get that the UI shouldn't do what we do
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# [17:00] <Gijs> ehsan: if I have a tab open in a normal window and code calls switchToTabHavingURI in a private window, it should focus that tab and window
# [17:00] <Gijs> and inversely, if I have a private window with the tab and call switchToTabHavingURI from a normal window, the same should happen.
# [17:00] <@ehsan> Gijs: (note that other things might have changed since I wrote that patch, so my original assumptions may no longer be valid)
# [17:00] <Gijs> we shouldn't have a URL bar autocomplete entry of that kind
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# [17:00] <Gijs> but there was other code that you added for that purpose
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# [17:00] <@ehsan> Gijs: I don't understand why you think that is what should happen
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# [17:00] <@ehsan> I definitely disagree
# [17:00] <Gijs> ehsan: because that's what the function name says?
# [17:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ecc9b16ef53 - Botond Ballo - Bug 984673 - Do not compress PBrowser::UpdateFrame. r=kats
# [17:01] <Gijs> Not "switch to tab in same privacy sphere with uri"
# [17:01] <@ehsan> Gijs: perhaps the function should be named switchToTabHavingURIInAWindowWithSimilarPBStatus or some such
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# [17:01] <@ehsan> I agree the function might be poorly named
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# [17:01] <Gijs> ehsan: well, that'd break backwards compatibility. A lot of code uses this function, it predates private browsing
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# [17:01] <@ehsan> that still doesn't make your expectation from it the correct expectation
# [17:01] <Gijs> (sorry, per-window private browsing)
# [17:02] <@ehsan> hmm
# [17:02] <@ehsan> iirc this only used to be used in two places
# [17:02] <@ehsan> one for about:addons
# [17:02] <@ehsan> and one for switch to tab
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# [17:02] <Gijs> why isn't this the correct expectation?
# [17:02] <Gijs> There are bugs on file about the about:addons case as well, I believe.
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> we do not want to switch you to a tab in a private window when you are in a non-private window
# [17:02] <@ehsan> almost never
# [17:02] <Gijs> For about:customize, we most definitely don't care
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# [17:03] <Gijs> and on top of that, there's no equivalent function we can use that does do what we want
# [17:03] <@ehsan> if there is a case to be made for a special scenario where that would be acceptable, we should discuss that separately
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# [17:03] <@ehsan> Gijs: I understand that, but we could easily add a function that does that and use it for about:customize
# [17:03] <Gijs> ehsan: I'm confused. The UI can never call switchToTabHavingURI with the scenario you illustrated
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# [17:03] <@ehsan> and make it scary enough that other people don't use it
# [17:03] <@ehsan> unless if they really mean to
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# [17:04] <Gijs> ehsan: why can't we just change the function?
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# [17:04] <@ehsan> Gijs: because the semantics that you want to implement is broken by default
# [17:04] <Gijs> ehsan: why?
# [17:04] <Gijs> how is it "broken" ?
# [17:05] <@ehsan> Gijs: because we do not want the user to be switched from a private window to a non-private one and vice versa in most cases
# [17:05] <Gijs> ehsan: what are "most cases" if we exclude the completion in the URL bar, which won't hit that case anyway?
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# [17:06] <Gijs> about:accounts, about:sync-tabs, about:addons, about:customize, would all be fine if they switched.
# [17:06] <@ehsan> Gijs: this code predates everything except for about:addons
# [17:06] <Gijs> ehsan: you didn't answer the question. What are "most cases" which you're worried about?
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# [17:07] <gwagner> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ping
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> Gijs: let's say that you have an extension which uses this function to enable a custom switch to tab UI for example
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> Gijs: that extension should not switch the user across PB windows
# [17:08] <@ehsan> I don't understand why you think our UI code is the only thing which calls into that function
# [17:08] <Gijs> ehsan: that seems like a strange definition of "most cases"
# [17:08] <gwagner> RyanVM|sheriffduty: :) please don't use your super power to merge gaia patches when the tree is otherwise closed
# [17:08] <@ehsan> Gijs: strange how?
# [17:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gwagner: yes, the problem is that one has to realize it's closed ;)
# [17:08] <@ehsan> Gijs: we try to make our APIs safe for PB everywhere
# [17:08] <Gijs> ehsan: as in, completely hypothetical, as far as I can tell
# [17:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gwagner: since sorry, but that's not very well advertised
# [17:08] <@ehsan> Gijs: ok well then we disagree :)
# [17:08] <gwagner> RyanVM|sheriffduty: well others can't merge but you are in the special group that can merge once its closed
# [17:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gwagner: well aware
# [17:09] <Gijs> ehsan: no, that's a factual assessment, not an opinion
# [17:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i'm fine abiding by it when I realize it's closed
# [17:09] <Gijs> ehsan: is there such an add-on?
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# [17:09] <@ehsan> Gijs: I don't know, but the existence of such addons do not matter'
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# [17:09] <Gijs> ehsan: how can you construe "there might be an add-on which might expect this to work this way" as "most cases" ?
# [17:09] <@ehsan> Gijs: it is the semantics that we're discussing
# [17:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gwagner: you know that sheriffs have a mailing list, right?
# [17:09] <Gijs> I already pointed out the semantics are boken
# [17:09] <Gijs> *broken
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# [17:09] <Gijs> because the function name doesn't say what it says
# [17:09] <@ehsan> Gijs: that assertion is your opinion
# [17:10] <gwagner> RyanVM|sheriffduty: RyanVM|sheriffduty we are moving away from travis pretty soon anyways so no big deal
# [17:10] <@ehsan> Gijs: I already agreed the function is poorly named!
# [17:10] <Gijs> ehsan: right. What other meaning of "semantics" are we talking about, then?
# [17:10] <Gijs> semantically, the function name doesn't reflect what it does
# [17:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gwagner: my suggestion is to email the sheriffs list when it's closed. dev-gaia/b2g has way too much noise to expect us to see it there
# [17:10] <@ehsan> Gijs: we have a lot of that in our code :)
# [17:10] <gwagner> RyanVM|sheriffduty: we can do that. whats the mail?
# [17:10] <Gijs> practically, we could change it to behave better because for every single case except your hypothetical add-on, it'd work.
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# [17:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> sheriffs@
# [17:10] <gwagner> ok
# [17:11] <Gijs> ehsan: if the change is fine both semantically and practically, I don't understand why you're objecting
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# [17:11] <@ehsan> Gijs: are you familiar with how we usually try to design our APIs for private browsing?
# [17:11] <gwagner> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok I will let people that usually close the gaia tree know.
# [17:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> thanks
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# [17:12] <Gijs> ehsan: that doesn't seem relevant here. This API shouldn't care about private browsing.
# [17:12] <Gijs> if it does, it should say so
# [17:12] <@ehsan> Gijs: that is your opinion and I disagree
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# [17:13] * @ehsan doesn't care about the naming of this function as stated several times
# [17:13] <Gijs> ehsan: at this point, it sounds like your argument against the change is essentially "I made it this way and you shouldn't change it"
# [17:13] <@smaug> ugh ugh....
# [17:13] <@ehsan> Gijs: no
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# [17:13] <Gijs> ehsan: well, what argument is there for not changing it, if not a semantic or practical argument?
# [17:13] <@ehsan> Gijs: as the module owner for private browsing, this is how I have designed many APIs here
# [17:13] <@smaug> bug 961249 shows up in many places...
# [17:14] <Gijs> ehsan: but this isn't a private browsing API
# [17:14] <Gijs> as I said, it predates it.
# [17:14] <@ehsan> Gijs: and what I'm saying here should be considered as the opinion of the module owner
# [17:14] <@ehsan> Gijs: it is an API which interacts with private browsing
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# [17:14] <@ehsan> Gijs: so it should behave in a way that adheres to the semantics of PB by default
# [17:15] <Gijs> ehsan: every API we ship interacts with private browsing, insofar as it works at all in a private browsing window.
# [17:15] <@ehsan> Gijs: true, and?
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# [17:16] <Gijs> ehsan: well, in exactly that way, it doesn't seem relevant that you're the private browsing module owner, as I'm not touching a PB API.
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# [17:16] <@ehsan> Gijs: the private browsing module covers the private browsing feature, not specific bits of the code
# [17:16] <Gijs> ehsan: but really, even if it were, the fact that you're the module owner doesn't change that your basic argument seems to be "this is my opinion"
# [17:16] <@ehsan> the implementation is spread across the tree
# [17:17] <@ehsan> Gijs: yes, that is ultimately my opinion, and it matches what we have done throughout the years
# [17:17] <@ehsan> Gijs: if you want to convince me that designing APIs to be safe by default in the face of PB is the wrong choice, then you need to make a very strong case for it
# [17:18] <Gijs> ehsan: err, that change is from barely over a year ago.
# [17:18] <@ehsan> "about:customize is broken" doesn't match that bar
# [17:18] <Gijs> "switchToTabHavingURI is broken"
# [17:18] <Gijs> which is what I've argued for the past couple of minutes
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# [17:18] <@ehsan> Gijs: I understand when that change was made, as the patch author
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# [17:19] <@ehsan> Gijs: I have told you several times that switchToTabHavingURI is fine
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# [17:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4289ebd5725c - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 983300 part 2. Introduce a GenericPromiseReturningBindingMethod for methods that return Promise return value. r=khuey,bholley
# [17:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85285b291ab4 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 983300 part 4. Convert exceptions in static methods returning promises into rejected promises. r=khuey,efaust
# [17:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb16317f5d24 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 983300 part 1. Disallow Promise as a return type for legacy callers and enforce all overloads for a method either returning promises or not returning promises.
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# [17:19] <firebot> r=khuey
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# [17:19] <Gijs> ehsan: but not given any arguments except "I am the module owner of private browsing and think it's fine"
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# [17:20] <@ehsan> Gijs: note that I don't mean to upset you here, I understand that you and I disagree on this, but I expect you to at least accept what I'm trying to tell you about how we design APIs in the face of PB
# [17:20] <@ehsan> Gijs: that is not fair
# [17:20] <@ehsan> I did give you my reason
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# [17:20] <@ehsan> you disagree with it
# [17:20] <Gijs> ehsan: whereas I've pointed out that practically, its current behaviour breaks expectations, and changing that doesn't break any other ones except that of a hypothetical add-on.
# [17:20] <@ehsan> but you cannot pretend that I'm just acting based on my personal preference
# [17:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: don't suppose your last comment in bug 961249 would explain some of why those tests have perf issues? :)
# [17:21] <@ehsan> Gijs: the expectation of the existing code is incorrect
# [17:21] <@ehsan> Gijs: if you're arguing that this should be documented etc I'm all for it
# [17:21] <Gijs> ehsan: it was made incorrect by the change you made.
# [17:21] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: dunno. Do those tests open devtools, do something and close them?
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# [17:22] <Gijs> ehsan: if the main issue was how autocomplete worked, that should have been changed, not the semantics of an internal API.
# [17:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: I would sure think the devtools would do that, yes :P
# [17:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: devtools *tests, that is
# [17:22] <@ehsan> Gijs: I understand that you think my change was incorrect, and I respectfully disagree
# [17:22] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: on which platforms do we have perf problems
# [17:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: linux seems to the worst case, but it's not great on all of them
# [17:23] <@smaug> aha, since that bug is especially about linux
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# [17:23] <@smaug> I think it doesn't happen on osx
# [17:23] <@smaug> and may not happen on windows either
# [17:23] <@smaug> but definitely on linux
# [17:23] <davidb> smaug: why is linux diff here?
# [17:23] <@ehsan> Gijs: also, not that this should really have much weigh in this conversation, your assertion that switchToTabHavingURI is used by hypothetical add-ons is very far from the truth: https://mxr.mozilla.org/addons/search?string=switchToTabHavingURI
# [17:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: dropping devtools from mochitest-bc cut the runtime by about 60% on debug builds
# [17:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: running ~1/2 the number of tests
# [17:23] <@smaug> davidb: NS_FRAME_NO_COMPONENT_ALPHA stuff
# [17:23] <davidb> uhm ok
# [17:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: there was also some thoughts that some of our recent linux mochitest-bc slowdowns are drawing related
# [17:24] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: that bug is about initial page load though
# [17:24] <Gijs> ehsan: I did not assert that it's not used, simply that the suggestion you made of an add-on that reimplements the functionality of switch to tab as it's used in the location bar seems hypothetical
# [17:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: hrm
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# [17:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (bug 983948 if you're interested)
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# [17:24] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I mean initial opening of devtools
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# [17:24] <Gijs> ehsan: most of those calls seem to be to fixed URIs
# [17:25] <@ehsan> Gijs: sure, but like I said, the existence of that add-on doesn't really have much weigh in this discussion
# [17:25] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: btw, as far as I know, devtools devs don't use debug builds when developing the tools
# [17:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: I don't know for sure that devtools are closed and reopened between tests, but that would seem like sane behavior
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# [17:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (being self-contained and allL)
# [17:25] <@ehsan> Gijs: (I have not audited all of those add-ons recently fwiw)
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# [17:25] <Gijs> ehsan: sure, that makes sense.
# [17:25] <@smaug> otherwise certain obvious warning would have hinted they are using certain slow code paths
# [17:26] <@ehsan> Gijs: so can we just fix about:customize to do what you want here?
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# [17:26] <Gijs> ehsan: for that we'd need two APIs
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# [17:26] <@ehsan> Gijs: sure
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# [17:26] <Gijs> ehsan: duplicating that code doesn't seem smart
# [17:26] <Gijs> ehsan: what would you suggest instead?
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# [17:26] <@ehsan> Gijs: there is no need to duplicate anything
# [17:26] <davidb> (me finds code for BasicLayers see cairo/thebes comment)
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# [17:27] <@ehsan> just refactor the common parts
# [17:27] <@ehsan> Gijs: (I would be happy to review the patch)
# [17:27] <Gijs> ehsan: that would break add-ons
# [17:27] <Gijs> ehsan: see the top of your list
# [17:27] <Gijs> ehsan: this needs to ship on beta.
# [17:27] <@ehsan> Gijs: which add-ons would this break?
# [17:27] <Gijs> line 709 -- Tabmix.changeCode(window, "switchToTabHavingURI")._replace(
# [17:27] <Gijs> :(
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# [17:28] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [17:28] <jryans> what's the URL param to show hidden jobs on TBPL? just "hidden=1"?
# [17:28] <@ehsan> Gijs: can you please describe what's happening exactly in the bug so that I can think about how to fix it?
# [17:28] <@ehsan> Gijs: (I
# [17:28] <@smaug> davidb: yeah, I think it was something about us not supporting fast graphics stuff on linux
# [17:28] <@ehsan> Gijs: I'm about to go and get lunch)
# [17:29] <davidb> smaug: makes sense
# [17:29] <@bz> smaug: hmmm
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# [17:29] <@bz> smaug: I should profile opening devtools
# [17:29] <Gijs> ehsan: the user is able to open two "Customize Firefox" tabs in different windows. That shouldn't happen. (and there's no functional difference between customizing a private or non-private window, so switching between those windows is fine)
# [17:29] <@bz> smaug: in a debug build
# [17:29] <@bz> smaug: since it takes many many seconds
# [17:29] <@smaug> I did some profiling on opt build
# [17:29] <@smaug> since it is slow there too
# [17:29] <@bz> (of course it's visibly laggy in an opt build too....)
# [17:29] <@bz> smaug: oh?
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# [17:30] <@smaug> bz: well, not super slow
# [17:30] <@ehsan> Gijs: and where is the about:customize code that calls this function?
# [17:30] <@smaug> but too slow
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# [17:30] <@smaug> bz: my profile had https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=961249#c9
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# [17:30] <Gijs> ehsan: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/customizableui/src/CustomizeMode.jsm#128
# [17:30] <@smaug> bz: which probably doesn't happen on osx
# [17:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jryans: showall=1
# [17:30] <@bz> smaug: hmm
# [17:30] <jryans> thanks
# [17:30] <@bz> smaug: Yeah, I'm on OSX
# [17:31] <@bz> smaug: lemme try profiling here
# [17:31] <Gijs> ehsan: actually, it looks like there's an options object passed in
# [17:31] <@ehsan> yes
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# [17:31] <@bz> Because using devtools in a debug build is just _painful_
# [17:31] <Gijs> ehsan: we could add a bool to that that defaults to false and, if set to true, triggers ignoring the PB restriction ?
# [17:31] <@bz> (it might be hard to make it better, though)
# [17:31] <Gijs> ehsan: unless add-ons actually rely on the bits of code that'd change, that might work.
# [17:31] <@ehsan> Gijs: I was thinking something along those lines, but please give me a bit of time to think about this more
# [17:32] <Gijs> ehsan: OK.
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# [17:32] <@ehsan> thanks
# [17:32] <Gijs> ehsan: should I needinfo you?
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# [17:32] <@ehsan> Gijs: yes please, to make sure I won't forget
# [17:32] <Gijs> because of beta, there's some schedule pressure. :(
# [17:32] <@ehsan> Gijs: but I expect to get back to you later today
# [17:32] <Gijs> great!
# [17:32] <@ehsan> yep, understood
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# [17:33] <@ehsan> Gijs: thanks for the discussion, and hope there's no hard feelings because of our disagreement :)
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# [17:34] <@gavin> Gijs, ehsan: why not just add a switchToTabHavingURI parameter?
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# [17:35] <@gavin> the customization mode caller could specify that it doesn't care about PB mode state
# [17:35] <Gijs> gavin: that's what we were just discussing
# [17:35] <@gavin> I admit not reading all of the prior IRC discussion
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# [17:35] <@gavin> but I commented in the bug
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# [17:36] <@gavin> Gijs: I don't think ehsan should think about it anymore, I think we should just do that :)
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# [17:39] <@ehsan> gavin: there is a better solution
# [17:39] <@ehsan> gavin: Gijs: let me comment in the bug
# [17:39] <@gavin> impossible!
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# [17:43] <@ehsan> gavin: Gijs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=985777#c13
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# [17:44] <@gavin> appeal to authority! disappointing :)
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# [17:44] <@ehsan> gavin: well, I actually care about this very deeply, and Gijs was not accepting my arguments, so I kind of had to :)
# [17:46] <@gavin> ehsan: an aIgnorePBMode doesn't really seem like a footgun to me
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# [17:46] <@gavin> if an addon or someone really wants that, a whitelist isn't going to stop them
# [17:46] <@ehsan> gavin: but maintaining the whitelist actually gives us a chance to verify we're doing the right thing
# [17:46] <@ehsan> true
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# [17:46] <@ehsan> I'm mostly trying to protect against mistakes
# [17:46] <@gavin> we can also grep for people passing aIgnorePBMode
# [17:46] <@ehsan> not malice
# [17:47] <@ehsan> grep what?
# [17:47] <Gijs> ehsan: mxr for people passing aIgnorePBMode
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# [17:47] <Gijs> ehsan: it seems unlikely people would "mistake" aIgnorePBMode...
# [17:47] <@ehsan> Gijs: we don't have the source code to all addons
# [17:47] <@ehsan> yes agreed
# [17:47] <@gavin> I don't really see the mistake scenario as worth the trouble
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# [17:47] <@ehsan> but the whitelist solution doesn't seem much harder to implement either
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# [17:48] <@ehsan> gavin: I'm not happy with having a aIgnoreOurBuiltinProtection flag
# [17:48] <@gavin> I guess so
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# [17:48] * @ehsan refers people to our recent aIgnoreSecurity flag in pwn2own ;)
# [17:48] <@gavin> well I think most of the disagreement stems from how valuable the "protection" is
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# [17:49] <@gavin> not like this is going to result in arbitrary code execution if things go wrong :)
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# [17:49] <@ehsan> gavin: lack of this protection may break PB mode because of bad addons
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# [17:49] <@ehsan> by leaking people's engagement ring tabs into their history
# [17:49] <@gavin> "break PB mode" is also a little bit of an overstatement
# [17:50] <@ehsan> is it?
# [17:50] <@gavin> switching to tabs doesn't leak any history
# [17:50] <@ehsan> it _could_
# [17:50] <@gavin> how?
# [17:50] <@ehsan> depends on what the add-on does
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# [17:50] <@gavin> you're talking about the scenario where the user is in PB mode, "Accidentally" switches to a non-pb tab that's already open, and then does something incriminating with that non-pb version of the site?
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# [17:51] <@gavin> a bit of a stretch
# [17:51] <@ehsan> yeah I agree that it's not super likely
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# [17:51] <@ehsan> but doing things properly is not super hard either
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# [17:52] <@gavin> I don't have any objection to your whitelist proposal at the moment, so I'm fine with doing that (assuming it solves all of gijs' problems)
# [17:52] <@gavin> but as Module Owner of Firefox and Awesome Guy, I wanted to push back a bit on what I perceived as some PB paranoia :)
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# [17:53] <@ehsan> lol
# [17:53] <@ehsan> point taken
# [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz (or another DOM peer): could you please explain to me how we could be hitting an intermittent failure in test_interfaces.html? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36507206&tree=Mozilla-Central
# [17:53] <@ehsan> but fwiw working on PB means you have to be paranoid
# [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we saw one instance of this on b-i yesterday too
# [17:53] <@ehsan> unless proven otherwise :)
# [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that interface was recently converted to webidl, that I know
# [17:53] <@gavin> yeah, I know
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# [17:55] <tbsaunde> ehsan: what wn bug was that?
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# [17:56] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I was looking at that yesterday
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# [17:56] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: The answer is I have no fucking clue what b2g is doing
# [17:56] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> haha
# [17:56] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> awesome
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# [17:56] <jmaher> Optimizer: pong
# [17:56] * RyanVM|sheriffduty will go ahead and file...
# [17:56] <jmaher> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
# [17:56] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: 985777
# [17:56] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: In summary, the interface is marked in that file as needing a permission to be visible
# [17:56] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: assuming it's related to the webidlification
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# [17:57] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: however the IDL makes it visible unconditionally (that's a bug!)
# [17:57] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: In a sane world, the push would have gone orange immediately
# [17:57] <tbsaunde> ehsan: no, I meant the aIgnoreSecurity bug
# [17:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jmaher: trying to figure out what docshell is being leaked in the logs from your try pushes
# [17:57] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: oh, gimme a sec
# [17:57] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: in our b2g testing world, apparently the permission is set when running this test. Except when it's not and you get the intermittent fail?
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# [17:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> sweet

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