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# Session Start: Tue Apr 01 00:00:00 2014
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# [00:00] <philor> but then, the mysterious ways of XUL have been puzzling me since 2004
# [00:01] <Mardak> just making sure i understand. test is reporting that "document-element-inserted -> chrome://global/skin/arrow/panelarrow-vertical.svg", is being loaded when it wasn’t expected to
# [00:01] <philor> gavin: I knew there must be *some* reason why I was still watching that component, didn't realize it was to spot G's bugs :)
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# [00:02] <philor> Mardak: right
# [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/4d8323b1389d - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 3f245df4a3cd (bug 974745) for frequently turning Jetpack tests orange.
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# [00:02] <philor> and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=37024180&tree=Fx-Team, at rather random times while it's in the middle of its load
# [00:03] <Mardak> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/addon-sdk/source/test/test-content-events.js#54
# [00:03] <philor> the first few I saw sort of made some sense, loading it first
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# [00:04] <sicking> ehsan: would it make sense to put information about "in private browsing" in nsIPrincipal?
# [00:04] <@ehsan> sicking: hmm, why?
# [00:04] <@ehsan> it's currently on the load context
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# [00:04] <philor> Mardak: and #119, where it has had to punt on events again and again and again and again
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# [00:05] <@ehsan> sicking: but we don't perform any principal based checks on it
# [00:05] <sicking> ehsan: "in private browsing" is not that different from cookie-jar information, which is what appid+browserflag is
# [00:05] <@ehsan> sicking: that's true for the purposes of cookies for sure
# [00:05] <@ehsan> not sure about the rest of the stuff that checks that flag
# [00:05] <sicking> ehsan: it'd mean that once we finally get the loading principal to channels, that we'll automatically have privatebrowsing information
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# [00:06] <@ehsan> sicking: are you suggesting to cache the value there or move it there?
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# [00:06] <heycam> sicking, here now
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# [00:06] <sicking> ehsan: where do we currently have it? in docshell?
# [00:06] <@ehsan> sicking: yes
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# [00:07] <sicking> heycam: will you take care of chatting with Tab about SetClass? I tried in the past to no success apparently
# [00:07] <heycam> sicking, yeah I'll handle that
# [00:07] <sicking> ehsan: i think it makes sense to have keep it there, but also put it in nsiprincipal.
# [00:07] <heycam> sicking, sent mail to him yesterday
# [00:07] <sicking> heycam: thanks!
# [00:08] <heycam> sicking, I think he's open to changing how it works, especially since dropping the MapClass bit of CSS Variables
# [00:08] * philor thinks Tab is an unfortunate name for anyone involved in any way with browsers
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# [00:08] <sicking> ehsan: that way we can make more security decisions based solely on information in principals
# [00:08] <heycam> (I've got implementing the CSS Font Loading API on my todo list too, so I'll need to get it sorted for that)
# [00:08] <sicking> ehsan: nsILoadContext isn't working that well IMHO
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# [00:09] <@ehsan> sicking: I wouldn't be opposed to making it available through nsIPrincipal
# [00:09] <sicking> heycam: awesome
# [00:09] <sicking> ehsan: cool
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# [00:09] <@ehsan> in hind sight, nsILoadContext was not the correct place to expose this :)
# [00:09] <Mardak> philor: should i request more JP tests 8Opt for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=3f245df4a3cd ?
# [00:09] <sicking> ehsan: i think it was, but mainly because we didn't have anything better
# [00:09] <sicking> ehsan: i'm hoping to deprecate nsILoadContext eventually
# [00:09] <@ehsan> sicking: the problem is we have a ton of existing code so moving everything would not be trivial
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# [00:10] <@ehsan> that would rock!
# [00:10] <@ehsan> sicking: have you seen the crazy stuff we need to do in necko with the fake load contexts etc?
# [00:10] <Mardak> oh i see it did fail one "document-element-inserted -> chrome://global/skin/arrow/panelarrow-vertical.svg", but in a different position
# [00:10] <@ehsan> that's what I was referring to!
# [00:10] <sicking> ehsan: yup
# [00:10] <sicking> ehsan: bz's already working on making principals available to channels, I think that will make a lot of things better
# [00:11] <sicking> ehsan: i'm working on some further improvements to necko APIs on top of that
# [00:11] <@ehsan> once we have that, then a lot of the PB consumers would be able to just check the principal
# [00:11] <@ehsan> cool
# [00:11] <philor> Mardak: yeah, that was the one that really made me wonder why it was loading, if it was loading after the page was already loading its nested iframe
# [00:11] <@ehsan> sicking: any bugs I should be watching?
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# [00:12] <jez> Does anyone know how close we are to getting the object-fit and object-position CSS properties?
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# [00:12] <sicking> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=965413
# [00:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/ba77cf9dd007 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [00:13] <@ehsan> sicking: thanks!
# [00:13] <@ehsan> jdm: you might wanna read the backscroll here: ^
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# [00:14] <jdm> yay, deprecating nsILoadContext
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# [00:14] <jdm> ah yes, I'm already on the document settings bug
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# [00:15] <@ehsan> jdm: you're very sneaky sir!
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# [00:16] <jdm> my network of spies are everywhere
# [00:16] <jdm> nothing gets by me
# [00:16] <@ehsan> jdm: have you seen the awesome stuff I'm working on yet?
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# [00:16] <jdm> I don't think so. I stopped watching you.
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# [00:17] <@ehsan> you lose! :P
# [00:17] <jdm> webaudio 2: electric boogaloo
# [00:17] <mrbkap> dolske: any chance you could spare some time for bug 899648 ?
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# [00:18] <@dolske> mrbkap: yes :( I'm slowly trying to grind throgh my bugs today and tomorrow
# [00:19] <@ehsan> jdm: shhhh, that was supposed to be a secret!
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# [00:24] <decoder> ted: ping
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# [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/8032e6ff1372 - Heather Arthur - Bug 939040 - Add eyedropper tool and include it in the color picker tooltip; r=pbrosset
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# [00:34] <mrbkap> dolske: great, thanks
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# [00:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/4af585f4992e - Wes Johnston - Bug 942270 - Use text/plain for quick share mimetype on links. r=mfinkle
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# [00:46] <glandium> man, i hate april 1
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# [00:53] <KWierso> ehsan: ping
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# [00:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/56dffd1a24f8 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 352a2109c6e6 (bug 987387) for m-oth orange
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# [00:59] <@ehsan> KWierso: hi
# [00:59] <KWierso> ehsan: see that backout ^ :(
# [00:59] <@ehsan> oh
# [00:59] <@ehsan> :(
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# [01:00] <@ehsan> KWierso: I think I messed up, sorry
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# [01:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f3fa2a144839 - Ed Lee - Bug 990284 - Only allow data:text/html, events in test-content-events tests [r=jsantell]
# [01:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f3c44cfc3900 - Maxim Zhilyaev - Bug 974745 - Create click event on Sponsored Tiles to show explanation panel [r=adw]
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# [01:13] <Waldo> also it's kind of astounding they don't ship <style scoped> yet
# [01:14] <Waldo> heycam: we ship it in release builds these days, right?
# [01:14] <heycam> Waldo, yep
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# [01:15] <Waldo> and seemingly probably have for at least half a year, if the TM for a scoped bug in awesomebar history is accurate
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# [01:21] <aja> Waldo: what'd they remove?
# [01:22] <Waldo> aja: apparently they are on the warpath to remove <style scoped> because it complicates internals at the moment, to reimplement it later
# [01:22] <Waldo> which seems kind of weird, given it's something people clearly want, and we ship it
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# [01:23] <aja> remove, or but behind their experimental features pref?
# [01:23] <aja> s/but/put/
# [01:23] <Waldo> it's already behind their pref
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# [01:23] <Waldo> this would be removing all the code for it
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# [01:25] <aja> they working on a CSS compiler thingie like webkit?
# [01:26] <heycam> if there's something that's getting in the way of shadom dom / web components, it is ripe for removal, looks like
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# [01:27] <@ehsan> jdm: ping?
# [01:27] <jdm> ehsan: pong
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# [01:27] <@ehsan> jdm: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/352a2109c6e6#l5.97
# [01:27] <@ehsan> jdm: why did you r+ that? ;)
# [01:28] <jdm> ehsan: is the problem two waitCookie functions?
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# [01:29] <@ehsan> jdm: no sir, look closer :P
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# [01:30] * jdm is still in the dark
# [01:30] <aja> heycam: mind submitting another try build for vars? (on win this time)....whilst you await review
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# [01:31] <@ehsan> jdm: when do we unregister this observer?
# [01:31] <@ehsan> jdm: turns out, here ;) https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=37027922&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0
# [01:31] <jdm> oh, heh
# [01:31] <heycam> aja, ah sure
# [01:31] <@ehsan> jdm: :D
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# [01:32] <Mossop> Do we really have no notification for when a chrome window is about to be loaded and that allows us to see the URL it will load?
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# [01:32] <@ehsan> jdm: but more seriously, can you tell me why this one doesn't get unregistered?
# [01:32] <@ehsan> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/352a2109c6e6#l5.84
# [01:32] <jdm> ehsan: because each observer only unregisters itself and not the other?
# [01:32] <@ehsan> Mossop: document-global-created (or whatever that's called) + a load handler
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# [01:33] <@ehsan> jdm: ?
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# [01:33] <jdm> oh, didn't click the link
# [01:33] <@ehsan> lol
# [01:33] <Mossop> ehsan: So the answer is no since that waits until after the load and allows scripts to execute first?
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# [01:33] <jdm> ehsan: are you sure it's not the other cookie-changed observer?
# [01:34] <@ehsan> Mossop: yup
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# [01:34] <@ehsan> jdm: look more closely, there are three observers!
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# [01:34] <jdm> ehsan: I know. I believe my first statement was correct.
# [01:34] <jdm> ehsan: private-cookie-changed fires, and it cleans up itself.
# [01:34] <@ehsan> right
# [01:34] <jdm> the other cookie-changed observer isn't called so it doesn't get cleaned up.
# [01:35] <@ehsan> jdm: I'm talking about https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/352a2109c6e6#l5.84 though
# [01:35] <jdm> ehsan: why do you think that isn't getting cleaned up?
# [01:35] <@ehsan> jdm: 1931 INFO TEST-PASS | chrome://mochitests/content/chrome/dom/tests/mochitest/beacon/test_beaconCookies.html | cookie set by beacon request in normal window
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# [01:36] <jdm> ehsan: yes? what's the symptom you're seeing that makes you think it isn't unregistered?
# [01:36] <@ehsan> jdm: ok, we finish running the beacon test
# [01:36] <@ehsan> then some time later we start to run extensions/cookie/test/test_app_uninstall_cookies.html
# [01:36] <@ehsan> which also sets cookies
# [01:36] <jdm> yes
# [01:36] <@ehsan> there I see three observers firing
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# [01:37] <@ehsan> as opposed to just one
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# [01:37] <jdm> oh what the crap
# [01:37] <jdm> I just read that log closely
# [01:37] <@ehsan> jdm: do you see the problem now?
# [01:37] <@ehsan> sorry if I was vague
# [01:38] <jdm> maybe it's to do with
# [01:38] <jdm> 15:21:15 INFO - 1929 INFO TEST-INFO | dumping last 2 message(s)
# [01:38] <jdm> 15:21:15 INFO - 1930 INFO TEST-INFO | if you need more context, please use SimpleTest.requestCompleteLog() in your test
# [01:38] <@ehsan> ?
# [01:38] <jdm> although that doesn't really make sense to me
# [01:38] <jdm> there were other messages since them
# [01:38] <@ehsan> that's per test
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# [01:39] <jdm> that's messed up
# [01:39] <@ehsan> jdm: also why do we fire "private-cookie-changed" there?!
# [01:40] <@ehsan> that's really worrying
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# [01:40] <jdm> so the fact that the passing messages show test_beaconCookies.html interests me
# [01:40] <jdm> given that the failing one shows test_app_uninstall_cookies.html
# [01:40] <@ehsan> hmm
# [01:40] <jdm> ehsan: I'm inclined to believe my original explanation
# [01:40] <@ehsan> jdm: which is?
# [01:41] <jdm> try fixing the removal and see if it reproduces
# [01:41] <@ehsan> jdm: how would that describe "private-cookie-changed"?
# [01:41] <@ehsan> oh
# [01:41] <@ehsan> maybe we clear history or something stupid like that
# [01:41] <@ehsan> jdm: do we fire cookie-changed for removals?
# [01:41] <jdm> good question
# [01:41] <jdm> I expect so
# [01:41] <@ehsan> (you should know that, mr. cookie peer :P)
# [01:42] <glandium> spammers are morons. 100 reqs/s on xmlrpc.php on my blog at the moment (which i 404ed a few days ago)
# [01:42] <glandium> and it's been going on for 4 hours
# [01:42] <@ehsan> jdm: also, fixing the removal won't explain the first observer not being removed
# [01:42] <@ehsan> jdm: cause that handler is surely called
# [01:43] <@ehsan> jdm: (since testOnPrivateWindow gets called)
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# [01:43] <jdm> ehsan: I'm still half-convinced that the passing messages are logs from the actual test run
# [01:43] <jdm> not from later tests
# [01:43] <@ehsan> let me check that
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# [01:44] <heycam> aja, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=fa485f4bc193
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# [01:44] <@ehsan> jdm: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/SimpleTest.js#1088
# [01:45] <@ehsan> jdm: also see the usages of _bufferedMessages there
# [01:45] <@ehsan> so the test log is fine
# [01:45] <jdm> ok, so the differing test URLs really confuse me
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# [01:46] <aja> heycam: tks...gonna add fallbacks to a theme i've alreaded converted to new syntax...sometime this week
# [01:46] <heycam> aja, cool, let me know if you find any problems
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# [01:46] <aja> heycam: will do
# [01:47] <@ehsan> jdm: right
# [01:47] <jdm> maybe it's to do with opening up a new window or something
# [01:47] <@ehsan> ah
# [01:47] <@ehsan> jdm: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/SimpleTest.js#342
# [01:47] <@ehsan> there's _that_ bug!
# [01:48] <jdm> haha
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# [01:48] <@ehsan> well
# [01:48] <@ehsan> but hang on
# [01:48] <@ehsan> is it?
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# [01:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd8094ea37af - Ben Turner - Bug 977762 - 'Provide a mechanism to get the PContentParent associated with a PBackgroundParent'. r=mrbkap.
# [01:50] <@ehsan> jdm: ok, so the buffered message stuff is wrong
# [01:50] <@ehsan> jdm: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/browser-test.js#497
# [01:50] <@ehsan> jdm: which is the only place where we call SimpleTest.reset()
# [01:50] <@ehsan> sight
# [01:50] <@ehsan> *sigh
# [01:50] <jdm> wrong how? those are the messages that exist since the start of the test run
# [01:50] <@ehsan> where do we clear them?
# [01:51] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [01:53] <@ehsan> jdm: ok I see what's going on now
# [01:53] <@ehsan> jdm: so we're keeping the window of the beacon test alive
# [01:53] <@ehsan> jdm: alongside everything in it
# [01:53] <@ehsan> including the SimpleTest object!
# [01:54] <@ehsan> then we get a call on the outstanding observer
# [01:54] <jdm> and it does getcurrenttesturl?
# [01:54] <@ehsan> which calls SimpleTest.ok(false,...)
# [01:54] <@ehsan> which gets us here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/SimpleTest.js#389
# [01:54] <@ehsan> where we look and see we have a couple of buffered messsages in *that* SimpleTest object
# [01:54] <@ehsan> with the correct url
# [01:54] <@ehsan> so we output them
# [01:55] <@ehsan> and then we'll try to output the error message we just generated
# [01:55] <@ehsan> which has the wrong url
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# [01:55] <jdm> nice
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# [01:55] * jdm was right all along
# [01:55] <@ehsan> jdm: only by accident :P
# [01:55] <jdm> only by GUT INSTINCT
# [01:55] <@ehsan> but you're right
# [01:55] * @ehsan finally admits that
# [01:55] * @ehsan is sad now that he has to file that bug
# [01:56] <@ehsan> I may just paste the irc conversation
# [01:56] <jdm> make someone else deduce the problem from our floundering
# [01:56] <@ehsan> jdm: at least the upside is that xpconnect is not broken!
# [01:56] <@ehsan> jdm: haha
# [01:56] <jdm> dodged that bullet
# [01:56] <@ehsan> sure did
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# [02:01] <cajbir> is git.mozilla.org down?
# [02:02] <idwer> seems to
# [02:02] <cajbir> doing a fetch from gecko-dev I get
# [02:02] <idwer> so*
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# [02:02] <cajbir> The requested URL returned error: 500 Internal Server Error while accessing https://git.mozilla.org/integration/gecko-dev.git/info/refs
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# [02:02] <@ehsan> cajbir: you can ping from github
# [02:02] <@ehsan> s/ping/pull
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# [02:03] <cajbir> thanks ehsan. I'll give it a few hours then try github if it's still not up.
# [02:03] <@ehsan> cajbir: please file a bug!
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# [02:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/38fe3c6e2f4a - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 8032e6ff1372 (bug 939040) for Windows mochitest-4 failures.
# [02:05] <vlad> RyanVM|afk: what's up? sorry, in taipei
# [02:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0483fe9d0b74 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 990220 - Enable navigator.sendBeacon on all platforms except b2g because it doesn't play nicely with Firefox OS apps yet; r=sicking
# [02:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/030829581465 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 987387 - Part 2: Add a test to ensure that sendBeacon respects private browsing by checking to see if a private cookie is set when calling sendBeacon in private
# [02:06] <firebot> browsing mode; r=jdm
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# [02:16] <@ehsan> KWierso: git.mo is down
# [02:16] <@ehsan> hence the build failures
# [02:16] <KWierso> ehsan: yep
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# [02:21] <dholbert> are we sure they're not just blocking Firefox?
# [02:21] <@ehsan> who?
# [02:22] <dholbert> github
# [02:22] <dholbert> </joke>
# [02:22] <@ehsan> dholbert: git.mo
# [02:22] <dholbert> oh, sorry
# [02:22] <dholbert> right
# [02:22] <@ehsan> </serious>
# [02:22] <@ehsan> :P
# [02:22] <dholbert> misread
# [02:22] <@ehsan> unacceptable :P
# [02:23] <derf> dholbert: Who would be a good person to ask about issues with our cache?
# [02:23] <dholbert> derf, network cache?
# [02:23] <derf> dholbert: Yes.
# [02:23] <dholbert> derf, probably mcmanus or jduell or hurley
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# [02:25] <@ehsan> derf: or mayhemer
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# [02:29] <TimAbraldes> gavin: ping
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# [02:41] <TimAbraldes> are there IRC admins other than gavin?
# [02:41] <@gavin> yes
# [02:41] <@gavin> ircop
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# [02:42] <TimAbraldes> somehow someone changed the topic of #windev to this - Http://Www.NadorWeb.Me.Ma - I'm hoping that someone with more IRC fu than me can figure out how that happened?
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# [02:43] <TimAbraldes> the only info I have is "Topic set by Tools on 2014-03-29 14:14:16 UTC"
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# [02:44] <RyanVM|afk> jaws: BTW, I have my mom running on the beta channel and she made an unsolicited comment to me the other day that she really likes the UI changes in the most recent update
# [02:44] <RyanVM|afk> thought you might like to hear that :)
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# [02:45] <cpearce> I'm seeing an error building m-c tip locally:
# [02:45] <cpearce> 1:43.41 libGLESv2.dll
# [02:45] <cpearce> 1:43.42 C:/Users/cpearce/AppData/Local/Temp/make10744-1.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `('
# [02:46] <cpearce> anyone else run into this?
# [02:46] <cpearce> (on windows)
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# [02:46] <@ehsan> TimAbraldes: to me it looks fine
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# [02:47] <@ehsan> TimAbraldes: oh, sorry I was looking at #webdev ;)
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# [02:47] <TimAbraldes> ehsan: I changed it back, I'm just trying to figure out how to prevent that from happening in the future
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# [02:48] <@ehsan> TimAbraldes: I know very little about irc... sorry
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# [02:49] <@ehsan> mhoye: can you please send me another email?
# [02:49] <@ehsan> or anyone else?
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# [02:51] <KWierso> TimAbraldes: quick search says | /mode #windev +t | would lock #windev 's topic for only channel operators to change
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# [02:52] <KWierso> I think?
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# [02:53] <TimAbraldes> KWierso: yeah that sounds right, but ChanServ says "Mode lock: +nrt" so I think we're all set on that front?
# [02:53] <@ehsan> can someone please send me an email at my mozilla address?
# [02:53] <@ehsan> pretty please?
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# [02:54] <@ehsan> oh nm
# [02:54] <@ehsan> the problem is fixed
# [02:55] <@gavin> TimAbraldes: mode +t wasn't set, the channel isn't registered
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# [02:55] <TimAbraldes> wat
# [02:55] <TimAbraldes> does registration expire or something?
# [02:55] <@gavin> oh
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# [02:56] <IanN> yes, registration expires when no-one is in the room
# [02:56] <@gavin> registration is still active, just some services hiccup most likely
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# [02:57] <IanN> rooms disappear if no-one has been in it for about a week
# [02:57] <IanN> maybe some sort of housekeeping process
# [02:57] <@gavin> #windev has had occupants the whole time
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# [02:57] <IanN> ah, some other issue then
# [02:58] <@gavin> I blame anope
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# [02:59] <IanN> i blame the boogey
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# [03:15] <aja> heycam|away: snagged the win try build....tks again
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# [03:18] <rbarnes> can anyone point me to a place in the tree that has nicely-written mochitests?
# [03:18] <rbarnes> just looking for examples to copy :)
# [03:19] <@ehsan> rbarnes: anything you're looking for in particular?
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# [03:19] <rbarnes> no, just the overall SimpleTest (IIRC) structure and some simple boolean tests
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# [03:20] <@ehsan> let me dig one up for you
# [03:21] <@ehsan> rbarnes: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/text/tests/test_bug757771.html?force=1
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# [03:22] <@ehsan> looks good? :)
# [03:22] <rbarnes> perfect! thanks
# [03:22] <@ehsan> np
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# [03:22] <@ehsan> rbarnes: fwiw those bug#'s are older conventions, sometimes people ignore them
# [03:22] <@ehsan> which is fine
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# [03:24] <@ehsan> kats: will write my story hopefully tomorrow
# [03:24] <@ehsan> too tired tonight
# [03:24] <kats> ehsan: sure, no problem
# [03:24] * @ehsan frowns at the time for being 9:22pm
# [03:24] <kats> ehsan: it's 9:22 am over here :)
# [03:24] <@ehsan> y u no 3:30pm?
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# [03:24] <@ehsan> kats: taipei?
# [03:24] <kats> yeah
# [03:24] <@ehsan> nice!
# [03:25] <rbarnes> ehsan: heh, i just noticed the "hunter2" in that sample. +10 internet points to you, good sir
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# [03:26] <@ehsan> rbarnes: did I write that test?!
# [03:26] <@ehsan> looks like I just reviewed
# [03:26] <@ehsan> so I'll take 5 points for that!
# [03:26] <rbarnes> hg blame says ayg
# [03:26] <rbarnes> fair enough
# [03:26] <@ehsan> \o/
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# [03:26] <jdm> p=0 s=it-31c-30a-29b.2
# [03:26] <jdm> the bugzilla whiteboard annotations are getting more inscrutable as time goes on
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# [03:27] <@gavin> gonna fix that
# [03:27] <@ehsan> jdm: some day someone will decipher them
# [03:27] <@ehsan> gavin: they're a project mgmt thing right?
# [03:27] <@gavin> yes
# [03:28] <@ehsan> it's a pretty interesting encoding
# [03:28] <@gavin> the "s" thing means "in iteration 2 of the 31 cycle"
# [03:28] <@gavin> the p thing means "not yet estimated"
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# [03:28] <@ehsan> "it-31c-30a-29b.2" means that?
# [03:28] <@ehsan> wow!
# [03:29] <@gavin> 31 central, 30 aurora, 29 beta, iteration 2
# [03:29] <@ehsan> what are those version numbers in-between?
# [03:29] <@ehsan> ah neat
# [03:29] <@ehsan> thanks!
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# [03:30] <@ehsan> gavin: technically, you could compress "31c-30a-29b" into 31 :)
# [03:30] <@gavin> yes
# [03:30] <@gavin> in the process of changing that!
# [03:30] <@ehsan> cool
# [03:30] <@bz> oops
# [03:31] <@ehsan> bz: oh hai!
# [03:31] <@ehsan> bz: would you like more patches? ;)
# [03:31] * @bz discovers screenshots are taken at device px, not logical px
# [03:31] <@bz> ehsan: as long as you're not upset with the super-slow reviews you've been getting, _I_ am not going to complain about more patches!
# [03:31] <@ehsan> lol
# [03:31] <@ehsan> bz: I'm starting to grind my teeth ;)
# [03:32] <@bz> rbarnes: you do know about gen_template.pl?
# [03:32] <@ehsan> not too unhappy yet!
# [03:32] <rbarnes> bz: no?
# [03:32] <@ehsan> bz: is that still a thing!
# [03:32] <@ehsan> ?
# [03:32] <@bz> rbarnes: perl testing/mochitest/gen_template.pl -b NNNN > my/dir/test/test_whatever.html
# [03:32] <@bz> rbarnes: then fill in your actual testy bits
# [03:32] <@bz> ehsan: it is for me!
# [03:32] <@ehsan> haha
# [03:32] * @bz thought there was a mach command for that too
# [03:32] <@ehsan> I use cp instead ;)
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# [03:33] <rbarnes> bz: good to know, thanks
# [03:33] <@gavin> whoa people still use that
# [03:33] <@bz> ehsan: "cp" doesn't fill in the bug# in the right places
# [03:33] <@ehsan> bz: correct, that's a job for vim's :%s command ;)
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# [03:34] <@ehsan> and if you think that's borderline ridiculous, don't ask me about how I land my patches ;)
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# [03:34] <@gavin> I never liked how that template has the bug # in too many places
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# [03:34] <@gavin> maybe I'll tweet to sayrer about it
# [03:35] <@ehsan> yeah, also those dummy elements which make you believe they are useful
# [03:35] <@gavin> make him feel bad for the damage he's done
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# [03:35] <@ehsan> it's pretty irreversible at this point
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# [03:35] <@ehsan> I'd "Like" your tweet, but I don't know how to!
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# [03:37] <@khuey> ehsan: nice turnaround time ;-)
# [03:38] <@ehsan> khuey: I try :)
# [03:38] <@bz> gavin: you can always -t th
# [03:38] <@bz> gavin: of course then you get to deal with th
# [03:38] <@ehsan> what's th?
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# [03:40] <@gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/static/th.template.txt
# [03:41] <@ehsan> lol
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# [03:42] <@ehsan> bent: btw did you file a bug about the fiber madness on Friday?
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# [03:43] <@bz> ehsan: it's the W3C testharness stuff
# [03:43] <@ehsan> yep
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# [03:43] <@bz> ehsan: which has as its main problem the wordiness
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# [03:43] <@ehsan> bz: that was what I did not want to comment on :)
# [03:43] <@bz> ehsan: and as its second problem the fact that async tests have to look totally different from sync ones
# [03:44] <@bz> ehsan: I really wonder whether we could fix that somehow...
# [03:44] <@ehsan> the former or latter?
# [03:44] <@ehsan> fwiw I'm actually more interested in the former
# [03:44] <@bz> The latter
# [03:44] <@ehsan> ah
# [03:44] <@bz> I've given up on the former
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# [03:44] <@ehsan> :(
# [03:44] <@bz> Though it should be simpler to fix
# [03:44] <@bz> just add some aliases
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# [03:44] <@ehsan> that's not possible
# [03:44] <@khuey> ehsan: nice bugs btw
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# [03:45] <@bz> why not?
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# [03:45] * @khuey is hardly surprised that there were real leaks there
# [03:45] <@ehsan> because of the way it insists to wrap things in test functions etc
# [03:45] <@ehsan> khuey: yeah same here
# [03:45] <@bz> well, yes
# [03:45] <@bz> that part is sucky
# [03:45] <@bz> because it's trying to avoid using window.onerror or something
# [03:45] <@ehsan> *that* is why th sucks IMO
# [03:45] <@ehsan> and it's totally insane
# [03:45] <@bz> but how far can we get there with arrow function?
# [03:45] <@ehsan> arrow functions?
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# [03:46] <@bz> t(() => {
# [03:46] <@bz> /* tests here*/
# [03:46] <@bz> });
# [03:46] <@ehsan> how does that help besides making our code look like perl? ;)
# [03:46] <@bz> well, it's less typing. ;)
# [03:46] <@ehsan> typing is not the issue
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# [03:46] <@bz> But yes, it's not great
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# [03:47] <@ehsan> the issue is that there is no way to map th API to mochitest API
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# [03:47] <@ehsan> and the latter is lower level
# [03:47] <@bz> Why is that an issue per se?
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# [03:47] <@ehsan> it's stupid for a testharness framework intended for use across organizations to have only a high level API like that
# [03:47] <@bz> Ah
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# [03:47] <@ehsan> that means everybody needs to change how they work to contribute tests
# [03:47] <@ehsan> as opposed to add a wrapper on top of a low level testing API and be done with it
# [03:47] <@bz> So what you'd prefer is we could just have a "implement mochitest on top of th" file
# [03:48] <@bz> that we include in all our tests
# [03:48] <@ehsan> exactly
# [03:48] <@bz> and keep using our existing stuff
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# [03:48] <@ehsan> well
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# [03:48] <@bz> So here's a thought
# [03:48] <@ehsan> either that or rewrite them automagically or something
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# [03:48] <@bz> What if we just fix this problem by creating a low-level API
# [03:48] <@ehsan> that API exists!
# [03:48] <@bz> And having th include it and implement on top of it
# [03:48] <@bz> implement itself
# [03:48] <@ehsan> it's called SimpleTest.ok
# [03:48] <@bz> and mochitest can do the same
# [03:49] <@bz> And then the W3C can accept any tests implemented on top of that API
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# [03:49] <@ehsan> I have a very vague memory fighting this fight a few years ago and losing
# [03:49] <@bz> mmm
# [03:49] <@ehsan> not sure what the details were
# [03:49] * @bz sends mail
# [03:49] <@ehsan> but the answer was basically "this is what we use at opera and so should you"
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# [04:14] <nemo> http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/31/uk-usa-security-nsa-rsa-idUKBREA2U0U620140331
# [04:14] <nemo> The NSA played a significant role in the origins of Extended Random. The authors of the 2008 paper on the protocol were Margaret Salter, technical director of the NSA's defensive Information Assurance Directorate, and an outside expert named Eric Rescorla.
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# [04:14] <nemo> Rescorla, who has advocated greater encryption of all Web traffic, works for Mozilla, maker of the Firefox web browser.
# [04:14] <nemo> ... oh. "He and Mozilla declined to comment"
# [04:14] <nemo> neeevermind
# [04:14] <nemo> but. great... ☹
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# [04:17] <glandium> nemo: "$person declined to comment" usually means "we sent him a mail an hour ago, to which he didn't answer"
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# [04:18] <@bz> If that
# [04:18] <@bz> The email also typically didn't ask any questions
# [04:18] <nigelb> Good Morning
# [04:19] <@bz> Just made statements and requested agreement or disagreement
# [04:19] <@bz> And the implicit promise of twisting any non-yes-or-no answer until the quoted out of context version reflected the views of the article's author, not yours.
# [04:19] * @bz has had some wonderful experiences dealing with the press.
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# [04:21] <nemo> mmm
# [04:21] <nemo> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7501669
# [04:22] <nemo> glandium: ah. that does sound familiar yes
# [04:22] <nemo> glandium: I recall reading some article on http://reason.com/blog/ complaining about that sorta thing
# [04:22] <nemo> 'spose it punches up the story a bit
# [04:23] <nemo> "He pleads the fifth! Guilty!"
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# [04:25] <nemo> s/pleads/takes/ eh. whatever
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# [04:34] <nemo> glandium: hum. more I think about that, that really is kinda lying. "declined" sounds active. "Mozilla had not yet responded as this story went to press" is less misleading. "Mozilla was contacted shortly before this story went to press" even less misleading. hmph
# [04:34] <nemo> anyway, the YC guys seem to have straightened it out for me
# [04:35] <@bz> nemo: the press is all about misleading.
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# [04:35] <@bz> nemo: as long as it gets the ad impressions.
# [04:35] <@bz> nemo: Witness all the stories with headlines about our board
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# [04:35] <@bz> nemo: some of which even included a "Addendum: Mozilla says we flat out lied" correction at the end
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# [04:36] <@bz> nemo: without changing the lying headline.
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# [04:36] * @bz is not bitter.
# [04:36] <glandium> bz: come on, there's an "updated" in the headline
# [04:36] <nemo> :-/
# [04:37] <@bz> glandium: in which article?
# [04:37] <glandium> bz: the best part is that the original story is still spreading
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# [04:37] <@bz> glandium: And which original story? ;)
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# [04:37] * @bz notes that http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/28/three-mozilla-board-members-resign-over-choice-of-new-ceo/ does not include any corrections or anything
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# [04:37] <@bz> though some of the things that copy/pasted it have
# [04:37] <@bz> Just not in the headlines
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# [04:39] <glandium> bz: I was thinking about http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/three-mozilla-board-members-including-two-former-ceos-step-down/
# [04:39] <glandium> arguably, it's not the "original" article
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# [04:40] <heycam> #26 in gps's list, not bad. wonder if I'd be that high if we didn't include backouts/relandings though. :)
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# [04:41] <@bz> glandium: yeah, the WSJ one above is the original article
# [04:41] <@bz> glandium: linked in he first para of the ars article you link to
# [04:41] <kats> can't they be sued for slander or something for that?
# [04:41] <@dbaron> heycam, what list?
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# [04:41] <@bz> kats: heh
# [04:41] <@bz> kats: _That_ would go over well in the press.
# [04:41] <heycam> dbaron, https://gps.pastebin.mozilla.org/4739342
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# [04:42] <kats> bz: :)
# [04:42] <heycam> "The top 250 commiters to Firefox (mozilla-central) in 2013 (non merge commits)."
# [04:42] <@bz> heycam: man, I'm behind ryanvm. :(
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# [04:42] <kats> bz: you should back out more things!
# [04:43] <@bz> Also, I'm surprised dzbarsky is that high
# [04:43] <bjacob> I assume it's OK to land a backout for a dev-tree-mgmt regression on a CLOSED TREE
# [04:43] <@bz> kats: ;)
# [04:43] <glandium> #8?! O_o
# [04:43] * @bz assumes this counts changesets
# [04:43] <@bz> If I have a patch that gets landed and backed out
# [04:43] <@bz> and relanded
# [04:43] <@bz> then that's two changesets per changeset in the landing, right? ;)
# [04:44] <glandium> bz: three if you back it out yourself
# [04:44] <@bz> glandium: heh
# [04:44] <glandium> bz: or 2n+1 if there's n patches and one backout
# [04:44] * @bz views it as a personal failure when he has to back out
# [04:44] <@bz> Shows I mijudged the risks
# [04:44] <@bz> er, misjudged
# [04:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a63f5694f562 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 990233 - Back out Bug 978479 and Bug 980364 because of a 5% tresize regression on Mac OSX 10.6 - no review, just a backout on a CLOSED TREE
# [04:45] <@bz> Anyway
# [04:45] <@njn> bz: you have a way to go if you want to beat gaia pushbot
# [04:45] <@bz> njn: yeah, well
# [04:45] <@bz> njn: just like I have a way to go to beat tbplbot in terms of bugzilla comments
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# [04:45] <@bz> njn: But I think I'm pretty securely in second place there, last I saw the numbers. ;)
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# [04:46] * glandium wonders how many of ryanvm's are backouts
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# [04:48] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/user_profile?login=tbplbot@gmail.com
# [04:48] <@bz> 3312k comments
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# [04:48] <@bz> It's pulling away from me. :(
# [04:48] * @bz has commented on 10x more bugs, though
# [04:48] <@bz> But it's been at this for less time
# [04:49] * @bz takes comfort in handily beating it in the "assigned to" metric.
# [04:49] <@bz> So far....
# [04:49] <tbsaunde> but wouldn't it be great if we had a robot capable of fixing random orange bugs?
# [04:50] <@bz> Sure would!
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# [04:50] <@njn> bz: roc's beating you on patches reviewed
# [04:50] <@bz> njn: yeah, not surprising.
# [04:50] <@bz> njn: he does a lot of reviews.
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# [04:51] <glandium> where do you see those metrics?
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# [04:52] <nigelb> philor: How'd you fix those bc tests on fx-team the other day?
# [04:52] <nigelb> More backouts?
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# [04:52] <@bz> glandium: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/user_profile?login=tbplbot@gmail.com
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# [04:53] <@bz> glandium: and then replace the login by any other bugzilla username
# [04:53] <@bz> glandium: I don't think there's a way to get sorted lists via the web, though you can via bzapi, I expect
# [04:53] <@bz> glandium: (or of course via direct sql query)
# [04:54] <glandium> bz: there doesn't seem to be a (obvious) link to that page on bugzilla, though
# [04:54] <philor> nigelb: disabled the leaking tests, because they started leaking when the addition of new tests pushed them into bc-2, away from whatever they were depending on in bc-1 to keep them from leaking
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# [04:55] <nigelb> ew
# [04:55] <philor> nigelb: bug 989083
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# [04:56] <kats> ~600 of ryanvm's are back outs
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# [04:56] <kats> git log --author ryanvm --oneline --no-merges --since 2013-01-01 --until 2014-01-01 | grep "Backed out" | wc -l
# [04:56] <kats> says 625
# [04:56] <steve> hey all. just popping by to throw my support behind new mozilla ceo brendan. we haven't met yet but I like him already :) good luck fella.
# [04:56] <philor> that's why I avoid being consistent in my backout commit messages
# [04:57] <steve> g@y lobby can fuck right off.
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# [04:57] <steve> apologies to interrupt technical discussion.
# [04:57] <kats> philor: :)
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# [04:58] <nigelb> kats: don't forget to count KWierso and ed
# [04:58] <KWierso> and tomcat!
# [04:59] <nigelb> I knew I was missing someone!
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# [05:00] <nigelb> are the non-starred tests on m-c kept unstarred for a reason?
# [05:00] <KWierso> nigelb: getting there :)
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# [05:03] <nigelb> FYI: I just restarted a busted non-unified build on fx-team.
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# [05:06] <@bz> glandium: there's a non-obvious link
# [05:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/d97d25f58092 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 878436 - Update Lion Fullscreen window styling offsets to avoid themes shifting position. r=timdream
# [05:06] <@bz> glandium: from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=account
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# [05:06] <@bz> glandium: The "Bugzilla User Profile" link that hides really well
# [05:06] <glandium> waw
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# [05:07] <@bz> glandium: I knew it was there and it took me looking at that page 3 times to find it again
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# [05:07] <@bz> steve: not OK
# [05:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d313210d2619 - Ben Turner - Bug 977819 - 'Allow PBackgroundChild implementors to hook into the threadlocal space'. r=mrbkap.
# [05:07] <nigelb> hurrah the trees are open.
# [05:07] <steve> what's not boris ?
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# [05:07] <@bz> steve: Supporting Brendan, fine
# [05:07] <@bz> steve: attacking other people, not OK
# [05:07] <steve> thank you. I do.
# [05:07] <steve> you don't understand the g@y lobby mate. meet fire with fire.
# [05:07] <@bz> steve: Last warning.
# [05:07] <RyanVM|afk> glandium: a lot :P
# [05:08] <steve> you are under attack. you just don't realize it yet.
# [05:08] <@bz> steve: We realize that some people are lashing out.
# [05:08] <@bz> steve: That doesn't mean we have to hate them for it or "meet fire with fire"
# [05:08] <nigelb> bz: wah, that link is magical.
# [05:09] <steve> you are welcome to your opinion.
# [05:09] <@bz> nigelb: the "Bugzilla user profile" one?
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# [05:09] <@bz> steve: Thank you. ;)
# [05:09] <nigelb> bz: yup!
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# [05:09] <steve> :)
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# [05:09] <@bz> steve: and you're welcome to whatever opinion you have, obviously, but using the phrasing you used above is doing a disservice to people like http://www.twobraids.com/2014/03/the-mozilla-ceo.html
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# [05:10] <@bz> steve: Or http://subfictional.com/2014/03/24/on-brendan-eich-as-ceo-of-mozilla/
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# [05:10] <@bz> steve: or a number of other people involved.
# [05:11] <steve> blah blah. g@y marriage is a retarded idea. marriage is for pro-creation & bringing up children. redefining the word leads to confusion. we are programmers. we must stay correct.
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# [05:11] * @bz did say last warning
# [05:11] <bent> buh bye
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# [05:11] <nigelb> I was trying not to engage.
# [05:12] <@bz> well
# [05:12] <@bz> So
# [05:12] <nigelb> feeding the troll doesn't help.
# [05:12] <bent> just tell him to see /topic and be gone :)
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# [05:12] <@bz> The problem with not engaging is it lets the offensive statement stand
# [05:12] <@bz> in the channel
# [05:12] <nigelb> agreed.
# [05:12] <@bz> And gives the impression that we consider it ok
# [05:12] <bent> oh, #develeopers topic isn't really useful
# [05:12] <bent> nm
# [05:12] <@bz> I was trying to find a way of making it clear that it's not without engaging, and failed. :(
# [05:13] <@bz> Should have expected that once the "s/a/@/" made its appearance
# [05:13] <@bz> Since that's not the mark of someone trying to be helpful.
# [05:13] <nigelb> Yeah, seemed like someone wanting to skip the network kban filters.
# [05:13] <@bz> mmm
# [05:14] <@bz> Do we have those?
# [05:14] <nigelb> We do, but probably not for words like "gay".
# [05:14] <@bz> I guess we must nowadays, what with all the irc spam
# [05:14] <@bz> heh
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# [05:14] <nigelb> Heh.
# [05:14] <nigelb> I had a family friend explain to me a few years ago how the world has changed.
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# [05:15] <nigelb> "For instance, when I was a kid, 'being gay' meant being happy!"
# [05:15] <@bz> nigelb: anyway, that user profile thing is kinda neat in an easter egg kinda way
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# [05:15] <nigelb> bz: yeah :) The stats are useful to see.
# [05:15] <@bz> nigelb: except when it tells me I have 17 outstanding review requests
# [05:15] * @bz goes to look what's up with that
# [05:15] <nigelb> haha
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# [05:16] <@bz> I swear, it was down to <6 on Friday night!
# [05:16] <nigelb> bz: I think it counts closed ones as well.
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# [05:16] <nigelb> because it told me I have 26 bugs assigned to me!
# [05:16] <KWierso> bz: must be a glitch in the system... probably safe to ignore them :P
# [05:16] <nigelb> KWierso: hahahaha <3
# [05:16] <@bz> nigelb: Oh, closed bugs for assigned are counted
# [05:17] <@bz> well, I'll be darned
# [05:17] <@bz> 11 bugs
# [05:17] <@bz> so 17 patches is not unlikely
# [05:17] <nigelb> :)
# [05:17] * @bz looks at them
# [05:17] <nigelb> I should look at my work review queue as well.
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# [05:25] <@roc> bz: personally I would have reached for the ban-bomb on the first offense :-)
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# [05:26] <@bz> roc: I probably should have
# [05:27] * @bz is too willing to give people a warning + second chance
# [05:27] <@bz> I keep assuming incompetence, not malice.
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# [05:38] <heycam> bz, I can. thought you might have been though. if you answer my question in the bug I'll do so. :)
# [05:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b82acf758624 - Wes Kocher - Merge inbound to m-c
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# [05:39] <firebot> r=jdm
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# [05:39] <bkelly> can anyone suggest a convenient place in the code I could instrument to see resources like script and img elements loading?
# [05:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a8fd27b3dbae - David Keeler - bug 989516 - mozilla::pkix: temporarily allow improper basicConstraint:cA encodings r=cviecco
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# [05:47] <philor> currently burning up mozilla-central
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# [06:00] <vlad> I wish we documented what didn't work dependency wise whenever we touched clobber
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# [06:14] <glandium> is there a way to tell hg transplant that yes, something is already applied, but it was also backed out, so don't skip it, stupid
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# [06:18] <glandium> gah, wrong attribution
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# [06:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93739bb52457 - Mike Hommey - Bug 988168 - Better integrate gtest libxul in the build system. r=mshal. DONTBUILD
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# [06:23] <mib_jmhjq8> hi... ineed help anyone help me
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# [06:37] <nigelb> Whoa: http://i.imgur.com/ueMoiiJ.png
# [06:37] <glandium> nigelb: you're late to the party
# [06:37] <nigelb> glandium: Oh.
# [06:37] <mib_jmhjq8> hi..
# [06:37] <nigelb> wow.
# [06:37] <nigelb> mib_jmhjq8: what do you need help with?
# [06:38] <mib_jmhjq8> thank you for response sir
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# [06:39] <mib_jmhjq8> i create a browser but its not supported javascript what can i do.?
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# [06:40] <mib_jmhjq8> nigelb ??????????????
# [06:40] <nigelb> no idea, sorry
# [06:41] <mib_jmhjq8> what you do sir?
# [06:41] <mib_jmhjq8> nigelb what you do sir?
# [06:41] <mib_jmhjq8> :) oki..
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# [06:43] <glob> gaston, probably. i'm keen to avoid adding even more links/clutter to show_bug so adding that link isn't something i think would fly
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# [06:44] <mib_jmhjq8> hi.....
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# [06:47] <DChen> is there a way to run firefox nightly on a new profile without having the nightly first-run page pop up?
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# [06:50] <dholbert> DChen, just add "about:blank" (or any URL) at the end of the command you use to start it?
# [06:50] <dholbert> DChen, e.g. "mkdir /tmp/foo; firefox -profile /tmp/foo -no-remote about:blank" WFM
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# [06:51] <DChen> hmm ok. i'll try that after it's done building
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# [07:04] <glandium> cpearce: patch for you in bug 990333
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# [07:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c83c52c332be - Chris Peterson - Bug 984071 - Part 2: Only create WebRTC LoadManager on Android and Linux. r=jesup
# [07:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9051a06f0268 - Chris Peterson - Bug 989199 - Fix -Wunused-const-variable warning in xpfe. r=janv
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# [07:38] <jesup> My word, why does the world need this? "NetReset NR-1000US Automated Power Cycler for Modems and Routers" (ok, I realize some *are* bad enough to need it, but oh my god why use this as the solution....)
# [07:39] <jesup> At the low price of $57 on sale
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# [07:52] <avih> Mardak: ping
# [07:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3476de5a680 - Simon Sapin - Bug 978478 part 1: Add support for repeat() in <line-name-list> (CSS Grid) r=dholbert
# [07:52] <Mardak> avih: pong
# [07:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f5c5742ad004 - Simon Sapin - Bug 978478 part 2: Add support for repeat() in <track-list> (CSS Grid) r=dholbert
# [07:52] <avih> Mardak: hey :) wanna come over to #perf to have less noisy env? :)
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# [08:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6e7e5965fb8 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 990242. Remove some dead Promise code. r=nsm
# [08:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67819547c820 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 958540 part 2. Rename the existing SetAs* methods on unions to RawSetAs* and add new SetAs* methods that ensure the right type for the union. r=dzbarsky
# [08:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57553ed7b140 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 958540 part 3. Switch the assignment operator on WebIDL unions to use SetAs*, not RawSetAs*, so you can use it to change the type of a union. r=dzbarsky
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# [08:01] <Unfocused> glandium: er, for bug 990333, toolkit/library/libxul.mk doesn't seem to exist in the tree
# [08:02] <glandium> Unfocused: pull m-i
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# [08:02] <Unfocused> ah
# [08:03] <glandium> Unfocused: otherwise, you can simply apply the patch to toolkit/library/Makefile.in
# [08:03] <glandium> Unfocused: patch toolkit/library/Makefile.in < path
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# [08:04] <Unfocused> ok, that's be easier
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# [08:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8560fc7e2849 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 984269 Rename nsDOMEventTargetHelper to mozilla::DOMEventTargetHelper r=smaug
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# [08:16] <jesup> Unfocused: almost all my trees are rooted in inbound, except for the browser I let run for weeks at a time. Saves time transferring patches to an inbound tree for landing
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# [08:17] * Unfocused nods
# [08:17] <Unfocused> fair
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# [08:18] <glandium> jesup: so, what is it you wanted the other day?
# [08:18] <Unfocused> i develop off central, and push my mq queue to a repo, and pull to my clone of fx-team (or aurora or beta) to land
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# [08:18] <Unfocused> so even if i didn't use central, it wouldn't have helped me in this case :)
# [08:19] <jesup> glandium: I think I wanted to discuss what the portable options were in place of a memory barrier for the rw_fifo code, but I decided not to add Clear to the api in any case
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# [08:20] <jesup> no longer relevant
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# [08:22] <vlad> ted: any reason why there is still MOZ_GAMEPAD as a #define?
# [08:22] <Unfocused> glandium: hm, clobber build still failed with that patch
# [08:23] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [08:25] <glandium> Unfocused: log?
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# [08:25] <Unfocused> glandium: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4740840
# [08:26] <glandium> vlad: because it's not set on !(Darwin | windows | linux) (which includes android and the bsds)
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# [08:27] <glandium> Unfocused: are you sure the patch is applied?
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# [08:27] <glandium> vlad: also, on windows, it's disabled when you don't have the directx sdk
# [08:27] <Unfocused> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DtzceOcw
# [08:28] <glandium> Unfocused: did that change make it to objdir/toolkit/library/Makefile?
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# [08:29] <glob> happy bmo push day! https://globau.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/happy-bmo-push-day-88/
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# [08:29] <Unfocused> glandium: it did
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# [08:30] <glandium> Unfocused: make -C objdir/toolkit/library echo-variable-OS_LIBS?
# [08:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c9ef11097f86 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 989904 - Remove some of the deprecated backend-independent textures. r=mattwoodrow
# [08:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a89860de832f - Nicolas Silva - Bug 989904 - Remove some of the deprecated gl textures. r=mattwoodrow
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# [08:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71789ed795c6 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 989883 - Remove deprecated ImageClient/Host. r=mattwoodrow
# [08:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/148af619f72d - Nicolas Silva - Bug 989904 - Remove the deprecated basic textures. r=mattwoodrow
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# [08:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba7877352e43 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 989904 - Remove deprecated d3d textures. r=mattwoodrow
# [08:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/88b79c3c7d47 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 989883 - Remove deprecated ContentClient/Host. r=mattwoodrow
# [08:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba93b2f34a3f - Nicolas Silva - Bug 982413 - Remove the deprecated textures pref. r=mattwoodrow
# [08:31] <Unfocused> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4rGpkdRR
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# [08:32] * Unfocused spots a problem there
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# [08:33] <glandium> Unfocused: that interestingly doesn't match what's in your build error
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# [08:34] <glandium> Unfocused: can you make -C objdir/toolkit/library xul.dll and paste the entire log?
# [08:34] <glandium> (not just the end)
# [08:34] <Unfocused> k
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# [08:35] <Unfocused> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gYaNyq59
# [08:36] <glandium> Unfocused: truncated
# [08:36] <glandium> Unfocused: and fails on a different error
# [08:37] <Unfocused> oh, bah, windows console fail
# [08:37] <glandium> ah, not the same lib
# [08:37] <glandium> you were failing on libglesv2.dll
# [08:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ecda58bb90a7 - Henrik Skupin - Bug 989045 - [tps] Registering of observer topics happens too late so 'weave:engine:start-tracking' can be missed during startup. r=jgriffin DONTBUILD
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# [08:39] <glandium> Unfocused: add this: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4740909
# [08:40] <Unfocused> this' need a clobber, right?
# [08:42] <Unfocused> glandium: ^
# [08:42] <glandium> Unfocused: nah, you just need to rerun configure
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# [08:42] <Unfocused> ah, k
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# [08:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/d2eb446b8e25 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 3 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [08:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/b208122a322e - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [08:48] <kats> avih: ping
# [08:48] <avih> kats: yo
# [08:48] <kats> avih: hey, was wondering if you have bug numbers for any previous vsync-triggered refresh driver work
# [08:49] <avih> kats: shouldn't you bee asleep? or drinking? or anything else which doesn't involve work right now? :)
# [08:49] <kats> i'm on taipei time :)
# [08:49] <avih> oh lol
# [08:49] <avih> say hi for me :p
# [08:49] <Unfocused> that doesn't preclude drinking
# [08:49] <avih> kats: there was a main one for windows. let me find it
# [08:50] <kats> Unfocused: heh true, but i don't drink anyway
# [08:50] <kats> avih: thanks
# [08:50] <avih> kats: that's the main windows vsync bug 856427
# [08:51] <avih> kats: what's the exact subject you're dealing with?
# [08:51] <kats> great, thanks
# [08:51] <kats> well there's some people looking at doing this for b2g
# [08:51] <kats> wanted to find the previous bugs that are relevant
# [08:52] <avih> hmm.. this ^ implementation is not great
# [08:52] <kats> avih: context for current work is at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/24k7oeC2aD
# [08:52] <avih> it kinda works, but it's not really synced to gfx callbacks/blocks
# [08:52] <kats> avih: understood. i think the new stuff will be from-scratch
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# [08:52] <avih> it just adjusts the timing to match previous vsync intervals
# [08:52] <kats> and cross-platform
# [08:53] <avih> kats: i'm _so_ glad to hear :)
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# [08:53] <avih> kats: btw, how familiar are you with apzc work?
# [08:53] <kats> avih: intimately
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# [08:55] <avih> kats: good. i was wondering if performance if measured in RAF intervals, from scrolling a page from JS on the main thread, would differ greatly from scrolling performance (measured either in RAF intervals or in OMT composition intervals)
# [08:55] <avih> with APZC*
# [08:56] <avih> as in, if we have APZC, could its performance be reflected when scrolling is triggered from main thread JS rather than some external swipte gesture
# [08:56] <avih> swipe*
# [08:56] <kats> avih: on fennec or b2g?
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# [08:56] <kats> actually APZC isn't even being used on fennec at the moment
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# [08:56] <avih> either and windows, if it's planned to get there now that metro is kinda dead
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# [08:57] <kats> ok, so on metro and b2g input events go through the main thread so in that respect it's not different from content JS
# [08:58] <avih> kats: my bottom line goal is to make sure, or at least know if, OMTC and/or APZC perf are reflected when scrolling a page from main thread JS
# [08:58] <kats> avih: scrolling a page using scrollTo calls?
# [08:58] <avih> affected == different than swipe gesture
# [08:58] <avih> yes
# [08:58] <avih> e.g. scrollto, top, etc
# [08:58] <glandium> win 20
# [08:58] <kats> in that case the answer is no, content scrolling will be quite different from direct input to APZC
# [08:59] <glandium> Unfocused: did it work out
# [08:59] <cpearce> glandium: toolkit/library/libxul.mk doesn't exist in my tree, so your patch doesn't apply...
# [08:59] <glandium> cpearce: see history with unfocused
# [08:59] <kats> avih: the code paths that get used are quite different, and doing scrollTo calls will result in synchronous scrolling for the most part
# [08:59] <avih> kats: so there could be a case where main thread JS scrollTo performance seem to have e.g. regressed, while swipe scrolling would remain unaffected?
# [08:59] <Unfocused> glandium: still building, but it just finished linking xul.dll, so it must have worked
# [09:00] <kats> avih: yes, absolutely
# [09:00] <kats> avih: for example consider scrolling down by one pixel
# [09:00] <avih> i'm listening
# [09:00] <kats> avih: content does scrollTop++
# [09:00] <KWierso|afk> goodnight, Tomcat|sheriffduty, Ms2ger :)
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# [09:00] <Ms2ger> Night, KWierso|afk :)
# [09:00] <kats> avih: this will paint the new row of pixels and then upload it to the compositor and then make it visible
# [09:00] <Unfocused> glandium: yep, build completed successfully, and runs fine
# [09:01] <cpearce> glandium: \0/
# [09:01] <avih> kats: i see. but APZC would fill the pixel gap lazily?
# [09:01] <kats> avih: but if you provide a one-pixel movement input event directly to the compositor, the APZC will update the transform right away and the next frame will reflect that
# [09:01] <kats> avih: the repaint will happen at some later time
# [09:01] <glandium> cpearce: you're a cyclope?
# [09:01] <avih> yeah
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# [09:01] <kats> avih: the "pixel gap" is pre-painted in the displayport
# [09:01] <kats> so visually it's still fine
# [09:02] * cpearce thought that was supposed to represent a double fist pump...
# [09:02] <avih> kats: ok. so, if we wanted to come up with a test which measures APZC performance, how should we approach it?
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# [09:02] <kats> avih: at the moment you need to either simulate input events at the OS level, or add some new APIs to trigger APZ scrolling
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# [09:02] <avih> our current scroll tests do main thread js scrollto/equivalent calls. that's not enough to cover APZC
# [09:02] <@roc> avih: hi!
# [09:02] <@roc> avih: we had a discussion yesterday about Tscrollx regressing with OMTC on Windows
# [09:03] <kats> avih: there are some bugs on file for adding APIs that would allow this
# [09:03] <avih> roc: :)
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# [09:04] <avih> kats: roc: and how close is the APZC case to the OMTC as far as mainthread JS scroll go?
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# [09:05] <@roc> avih: the problem may be that synchronizing GPU stuff between threads creates overhead that becomes significant when we've got a very high frame rate
# [09:05] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> btw good morning folks
# [09:05] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and good night KWierso|afk :) sleep !
# [09:06] <avih> roc: good point. do we have an alternatice approach (other than ASAP) to measure scroll performance with OMTC?
# [09:06] <avih> alternative*
# [09:06] <mattwoodrow> make some more complex tscrollx test pages?
# [09:06] <avih> so to control the frame rate by adding complexity to the layout?
# [09:07] <@roc> also, kip talked about experiences with other projects where driving compositing tests flat out meant GPU drivers trying to schedule cleanup work for "idle time" were flummoxed
# [09:09] <avih> roc: our current (t)scroll(x) tests run for a very short while, each. typically less than 500ms, so i think there should be enough relative idle in between them for gpu cleanups, no?
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# [09:09] <@roc> yeah
# [09:09] <@roc> I didn't know that
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# [09:09] <avih> now you do :)
# [09:10] <@roc> is that long enough to get significant results?
# [09:10] <mattwoodrow> The difference between 2ms frames and 2.5ms frames is irrelevant, since we’re way under 16ms either way
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# [09:10] <mattwoodrow> but I guess we’re interested in how the same page might behave on much slower hardware
# [09:10] <avih> in ASAP, the intervals are about 1-5ms per frame, so that's 0.2-1% accuracy, roughly
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# [09:11] <mattwoodrow> I don’t know if the cross-thread overhead would scale linearly with time spent painting when moving to slower hardware
# [09:11] <avih> maybe more than 500ms, but most of them don't run for more than a second
# [09:11] <mattwoodrow> if it doesn’t, then more complex pages would simulate it approximately
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# [09:12] <avih> Mardak: the question of what exactly to measure is a tough one. we never have clean answers for it.
# [09:12] <avih> mattwoodrow: ^
# [09:13] <avih> yet we want to measure something which gives us perf indications of our engine
# [09:14] <avih> and with the work split between main thread and compositor, it makes it even harder to put our finger at what exactly we want to measure
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# [09:15] <@roc> definitely
# [09:15] <avih> not saying that the current tests are the best possible, just that so far this is what we have, and we should try to adapt them to changing gecko code
# [09:16] <mattwoodrow> tscroll is just measuring rAF intervals isn’t it?
# [09:16] <avih> yes
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# [09:16] <avih> which is why i started asking kats on how much it would reflect omtc/apzc perf earlier
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# [09:17] <mattwoodrow> right, probably not at all :)
# [09:17] <kats> rAF is pretty independent from APZC
# [09:17] <avih> and if not enough, how should we approach improving it
# [09:17] <mattwoodrow> with the ASAP mode, we’re not actually guaranteeing to composite every frame afaict
# [09:18] <mattwoodrow> so we’re just measuring content production only
# [09:18] <mattwoodrow> and APZC would be only measuring the compositor
# [09:18] <avih> i think so too
# [09:19] <avih> so, ideally, we'd like to have independent numbers on mainthread throughput, and compositor (probably including gpu/driver overheads) throughput
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# [09:19] <avih> can we?
# [09:20] <mattwoodrow> sure
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# [09:20] <mattwoodrow> don’t we expose some compositor numbers for TART?
# [09:20] <avih> we do
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# [09:20] <mattwoodrow> sounds like we could use that and have tscrollx return 2 scores
# [09:21] <mattwoodrow> I bet we’d do awfully on the compositor one
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# [09:21] <avih> but if mainthread is the bottleneck (e.g. in tscroll), then the compositor would idle, and won't provide us with (max) throughput numbers
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# [09:21] <mattwoodrow> I think that’s ok
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# [09:22] <mattwoodrow> But we’d want a whole separate test for scrolling with APZC
# [09:22] <mattwoodrow> which would give us data on how fast the compositor can go
# [09:22] <avih> so you say we take our current test set of pages, scroll using mainthread JS, and take both RAF numbers and compositors numbers, and use both for the result? (i.e. either independently or averaged) ?
# [09:23] <mattwoodrow> yes
# [09:23] <avih> ah. so keep tsxcollx for mainthread tests, and new tests for omtc/apzc scroll throughputs?
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# [09:23] <mattwoodrow> yes, though the new tests could just be the same pages
# [09:23] <mattwoodrow> just using scroll events sent to APZC instead of JS calls
# [09:23] <avih> right
# [09:24] <avih> so we have JS api to trigger APZC scrolls?
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# [09:24] <kats> not yet
# [09:24] <mattwoodrow> we could do though I’m sure
# [09:24] <kats> bug 928839
# [09:25] <kats> firebot: taking a nap?
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# [09:25] <avih> and how do we test OMTC compositor throughputs on platforms without APZC?
# [09:25] <firebot> kats: Sorry, I've no idea what 'taking a nap' might be.
# [09:26] <mattwoodrow> Well, the normal tscrollx test would confirm that it’s good enough to keep up with content
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# [09:27] <mattwoodrow> as for actual max throughput, I think we should work on getting APZC working well enough to just run the perf test
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# [09:28] <mattwoodrow> mstange has APZC working enough to play with on OSX, I suspect we could get that good enough for a testsuite without too much pain, even if we don’t ship it for a while
# [09:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05a2d06d232f - Dragos Nicolae - Bug 989735 - Fixed warnings in accessible/src/generic. r=trev.saunders
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# [09:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9204362c5122 - Rik Cabanier - Bug 988088 - Cache path objects in Path2D implementation. r=bas
# [09:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b16e2cb162f5 - JW Wang - Bug 945475 - clear |mVideoFrameContainer| to stop staled callbacks which give incorrect videoWidth/videoHeight. r=roc
# [09:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa6cc6b2ef8f - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 988844 - do_register_cleanup now accepts asynchronous cleanup functions. r=ted
# [09:29] <avih> mattwoodrow: sounds good. i do recall his first osx apzc thingy, i was mighty impressed :)
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# [09:31] <avih> mattwoodrow: so, if i'm summarizing this discussion, going forward we should: 1. keep tscrollx as it represents main thread throughput and to some extent compositor throughput. 2. add APZC, or at least enough stuff to trigger it from JS, and measure compositor throughputs with the frames recording thingy. right?>
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# [09:32] <avih> and 3. we should keep the ASAP scroll runs for JS/compositor quick enough (TBD) to give the gpu some time to recover
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# [09:34] <avih> kats: roc: would you pls cc me on relevant bugs/discussions?
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# [09:36] <mattwoodrow> avih: Yep, sounds good to me
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# [09:38] <kats> avih: will do
# [09:38] <avih> thx
# [09:39] <mattwoodrow> avih: Also, measuring variance/std dev for most of these things would be really cool
# [09:39] <avih> mattwoodrow: i'm guessing you mean per frame rather per average of a run?
# [09:39] <avih> than*
# [09:40] <mattwoodrow> avih: Yes exactly
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# [09:41] <avih> mattwoodrow: agreed. though possibly complex with talos. i'll need to think how to approach the talos integration part
# [09:41] <mattwoodrow> avih: I looked at it and come to the exact same conclusion :)
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# [09:41] <avih> to take the numbers is the easiest part
# [09:41] <mattwoodrow> *came
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# [09:41] <avih> :)
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# [09:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f286e259379 - George Wright - Bug 989707 - roundOut() the bounds rect instead of round(), as round() can return a rect that's not quite large enough to cover the path r=mattwoodrow
# [09:43] <avih> mattwoodrow: the thing is, the higher the resolution a test provides, the harder it becomes to present the performance as a single number. and we have enough different tests such that if we're not able to combine many sub-results intelligently into a single number, then the results resulttion would be so high, with so many numbers to look at, that it could easily be much harder to notice the bigger picture.
# [09:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: ping
# [09:44] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: pong
# [09:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: do you might know why https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=37054076&tree=Mozilla-Inbound failed after your push
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# [09:45] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: no
# [09:45] <mattwoodrow> avih: It’s true. I’m not sure what the best answer for that is
# [09:45] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: i don't even know what this test is
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# [09:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: ok will ask in #gaia
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# [09:46] <mattwoodrow> I guess we shoud stick to the single number for the definitive measurement of performance. But having some extra numbers reported in the background would provide extra information if you want/need it
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# [09:46] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: and if the two TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL are what's failing, i don't see how i can have triggered that
# [09:46] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: so that smells like a recent gaia change
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# [09:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [09:47] <avih> mattwoodrow: it's not the first time i'm approaching this issue, however. so far my approach has been to make all the subresults use the same unit (e.g. ms), and then graphserver would show the averages of all subtests when you choose e.g. tscroll, while datazilla would show the results per subtests. and let me tell you, as much as datazilla is useful for tracking specific test components regressions, it's daunting to look at so much data...
# [09:47] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: i'll never understand why we do gaia testing thissss way
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# [09:48] <avih> mattwoodrow: luckily, stddev units are the same as frames interval, so at least that part is covered :)
# [09:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: yeah some gaia devs looking into this in #gaia
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# [09:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: so kgrandon filed bug 990334 for it
# [09:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but its not clear if this is a gaia or maybe gecko regression
# [09:51] <kgrandon> Hi, the calendar tests may be a gecko regression.. I have a ni? out on some calendar developers to investigate.
# [09:52] <glandium> kgrandon: it's obviously not my push
# [09:52] <kgrandon> For now it's been disabled, and should hit m-i after b-i gets merged? (is that how it works?)
# [09:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kgrandon: yeah i think so - also i can star the failures to the bug
# [09:53] <glandium> that is, it makes no sense that my push breaks that
# [09:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [09:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> the push before it was green and then failed
# [09:53] <kgrandon> glandium: Just looked at your commit, it would not break us :)
# [09:54] <glandium> if it did, it would break much more than that
# [09:54] <kgrandon> glandium: Tomcat|sheriffduty: Being that this is inside of a calendar app, it's possible that 3/31 -> 4/1 may have caused some race condition.
# [09:54] <kgrandon> which is why i disabled the test and wanted to have gaia developers look first.
# [09:54] <kgrandon> disabled here: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/commit/38526951424f5b70cb5cfe23fdadfeb69d848459
# [09:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [09:54] <kgrandon> glandium: I think you are off the hook for now :)
# [09:55] <glandium> kgrandon: that makes sense, since the test suite started at 23:48 and finished at 00:26
# [09:55] <kgrandon> (on behalf of gaia developers, sorry about the causing you problems hehe)
# [09:55] <kgrandon> glandium: ah, great info. thanks!
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# [09:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1f8ac35bdd4 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990338 - Use CopySurface when copying data to a TextureClient for better performance. r=nical
# [09:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
# [09:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e915878751ba - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990338 - Use Moz2D for updating CanvasClient. r=nical
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# [09:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd723ed732e3 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990338 - Pass CanvasLayer Y-flip flag through layers. r=nical
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# [09:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f19aba4974b8 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990338 - Clean up CopyableCanvasLayer. r=nical
# [09:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/80b89d34acbb - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990338 - Remove FillWithMask since it's dead code. r=nical
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# [09:56] <glandium> the failure on the push after mine had the suite started at 23:40 and finished at 00:17
# [09:56] <glandium> the following failures are unrelated
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# [09:57] <avih> mattwoodrow: does apzc introduce checkerboarding?
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# [09:57] <mattwoodrow> avih: I believe it does
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# [09:58] <avih> if it does, then another posible metric which represents efficiency (of something) is the amount of checkerbording we get at different scroll speeds.
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# [09:58] <avih> mattwoodrow: ^
# [09:58] <hub> is there a know issue with the build slave to git checkout from git.m.org?
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# [09:58] <kgrandon> hub: it was down-ish this morning
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# [09:58] <hub> still down-ish
# [09:58] <hub> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0c403419049b
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# [09:58] <hub> failed
# [09:58] <hub> :-(
# [09:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> closing trees
# [09:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hub: yeah seems a git issue
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# [09:59] <avih> mattwoodrow: would the amount of checkerboarding correlate roughly to main thread layout efficience, hence represented by main thread JS scroll triggers?
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# [09:59] <hub> Tomcat|sheriffduty: and for once it is not github
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# [09:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hub: yeah gitmo again
# [10:00] <kgrandon> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Are we going to reuse the bug from this morning? Do you have the bug # by chance?
# [10:00] <avih> mattwoodrow: or is it compositor effieience?
# [10:00] <avih> or both..
# [10:00] <avih> efficiency*
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# [10:02] <mattwoodrow> avih: Yeah, we try measure that for mobile sometimes
# [10:02] <mattwoodrow> eiditicker uses a camera to measure the amount of checkerboarding
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# [10:02] <mattwoodrow> avih: Should be a measure for the main thread
# [10:03] <mattwoodrow> but also maybe how well we schedule the main thread to render the right pieces
# [10:03] <kgrandon> hub: Perhaps bug 990311
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# [10:03] <avih> mattwoodrow: so the amount of checkerboarding should roughly correlate with mainthread efficiency, therefore already represented at the current tscrollx results?
# [10:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> kgrandon: filed bug Bug 990466
# [10:04] <mattwoodrow> avih: I think the scheduling piece makes it useful information still
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# [10:05] <Yoric> Oh great, now OKCupid joins the fray...
# [10:05] <avih> mattwoodrow: i'm not quite following what you're stating/suggesting
# [10:05] <glandium> Yoric: you're late to the party
# [10:05] <glandium> second time i say that today
# [10:05] <Yoric> Yeah, I saw Mitchell's e-mail yesterday evening but I only investigated this morning.
# [10:06] <mattwoodrow> avih: As well scroll with APZC we send events back to the main thread telling it where we’ve scrolled to, so that main thread can start producing more content
# [10:06] <avih> ok. and?
# [10:06] <mattwoodrow> if we do a poor job of that, the main thread responds with some new content and we’ve already scrolled past that
# [10:06] <mattwoodrow> and we keep seeing checkerboard
# [10:07] <mattwoodrow> so we want to measure checkerboarding to see if that happens
# [10:08] <avih> oh, i see, so the amount of (non)checkerboarding would be limited by main thread throughput, but there could be other factors, like schedualing, which also increase checkerboarding?
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# [10:09] <avih> in practice, it would relate to how efficiently we schedule, and the mainthready layout efficiency
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# [10:09] <avih> so if the sched is bad, mainthread throughput won't represent checkerboarding
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# [10:12] <hub> kgrandon: yup, that bug
# [10:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok guys trres reopned
# [10:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> err trees
# [10:12] <glob> Yoric, http://www.teamrarebit.com/blog/2014/03/28/five-reasons-eich-should-step-down/ is an interesting read
# [10:13] <glandium> glob: for some value of interesting
# [10:13] <Yoric> glob: I'm not that interested in the controversy actually, I just want to continue my work.
# [10:13] <Yoric> Preferably without the controversy killing Mozilla somewhere along the way.
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# [10:13] <Yoric> (also, I believe that everything that needed saying has been said already)
# [10:14] <hub> that link didn't load on Android...
# [10:14] <hub> (earlier)
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# [10:19] <glandium> glob: oh, that's a followup, that's actually an interesting read
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# [10:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Yoric: yeah i was seeing the headline here today in germany that mozilla is in danger of breaking apart and that sucked
# [10:26] <Yoric> I actually don't think that this is true.
# [10:26] <Yoric> But I still think it hurts.
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# [10:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [10:26] <gcp> The fa lse headlines got reported verbatim in local news too.
# [10:26] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: sensasionalist headline? how surprising
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# [10:27] <Yoric> We got an impressive number of blatant-lie headlines.
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# [10:27] <Yoric> I'm more interested in the questions raised about ekr's patches.
# [10:27] <glandium> Yoric: now think about the other headlines on subjects that you don't know
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# [10:27] <gcp> Yoric: that's just as blatant a lie as far as I can tell
# [10:28] <glandium> Yoric: s/patches/rfc/
# [10:28] <Yoric> gcp: That would be good.
# [10:28] <gcp> ekr basically wrote or co-authored a substantial part of the TLS RFCs
# [10:28] <glandium> gcp: he didn't comment, that's proof of guilt!
# [10:28] <Yoric> glandium: Well, if (rfc.doubt) { patch.doubt = true; }
# [10:28] <gcp> one of them now turns out to not introduce, but help another vulnerability - shoker!
# [10:28] <Yoric> gcp: I suspect it's nothing, but I'd like to be reassured :)
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# [10:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> working on checkin-needed bugs is so much more fun than reading IT news :)
# [10:29] <gcp> glandium: knowing ekr, "he did not comment" is an obvious lie
# [10:29] <glandium> gcp: and at the time it was written it was thought to be a good idea. Which it probably still is with good RNGs
# [10:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/2ff1425ff217 - Asaf Romano - Bug 977730 - Count total pages visited by all test users. r=bsmedberg.
# [10:29] <avih> kats: re "(a) input events and (b) the desired touch-action behaviour to the APZC." so, what would be roughly required ro trigger some APZC acrion? would it need to synthesize a sequence of events which would end in desired behavior (e.g. scroll starting at speed X or zoom in/out at a certain rate)? or would it be the actual resulting apzc behavior? for testing purposes and consistency of measuring performance, i think it would be asier to
# [10:29] <avih> use when controlling the action rather than the events which should lead to it. what say you?
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# [10:29] <glandium> nice shitstorm we're in, anyways
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# [10:30] <gcp> The question is, will it lie down before the next one (Australis) starts?
# [10:30] <kats> avih: yeah the bug description is old, based on more recent discussion it'll probably more like a scroll position destination and probably some parameters for easing functions and so on
# [10:30] <kats> avih: we want something like that for the new gaia homescreen as well
# [10:31] <MarcoZ> Good morning all! Does anyone have a clue why my local Windows builds break (on two machines) with these errors: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4737185
# [10:31] <glandium> gcp: 4 weeks is plenty of time for that to happen
# [10:31] <avih> kats: so would the api look something like apzcAction(type, rate, duration) ?
# [10:31] <Yoric> glandium: Yeah, perfect shit storm.
# [10:32] <kats> avih: similar to that, yeah
# [10:32] <MarcoZ> Three weeks ago, builds still worked on both machines. One is a Windows 7 X64 with VS 2010 and latest released Mozilla Build, DirectX and yada yada all that is needed. The other one is Windows 8.1 X64 with VS 2012 and all other required stuff.
# [10:32] <avih> kats: cool. thx.
# [10:32] <glandium> gcp: now, you want to bet that the current stuff is going to resurface then?
# [10:32] <MarcoZ> Builds worked three weeks ago, and since yesterday, after pulling in latest m-i, and clobbering, I get the above errors.
# [10:32] <glandium> MarcoZ: bug 990333
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# [10:33] <glandium> MarcoZ: unrelatedly, i see you're using pymake. you should use mozmake
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# [10:33] <avih> kats: oh, just noticed the date. i thought you just files id...
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# [10:33] <avih> t
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# [10:36] <avih> kats: bug 928833 seems to relate to the P part of apzc, but not to the Z part of it. intentionally?
# [10:36] <MarcoZ> glandium: I have no MOZCONFIG in my directory, I just do ./mach build as said would produce me a build close toa regular Nightly release, which is all I need.
# [10:37] <MarcoZ> glandium: So whatever you say I have no idea how I would do that.
# [10:37] <glandium> MarcoZ: install mozillabuild 1.9
# [10:37] <kats> avih: thus far we haven't needed content to drive zooming like that
# [10:37] <avih> kats: k
# [10:37] <gcp> glandium: who knows
# [10:38] <MarcoZ> glandium: but AFAIK that's not an official release yet, right? And what would that give me in terms of benefits?
# [10:38] <glandium> MarcoZ: much faster builds
# [10:38] <gcp> glandium: My conclusion stays that the press is the worst enemy of an open organisation.
# [10:38] <kats> avih: we do have some hooks already for initiating async zooms, although it's not exposed to content JS yet
# [10:38] <MarcoZ> glandium: And where would I find that beast?
# [10:38] <glandium> gcp: the way they work doesn't apply only to open orgs
# [10:39] <kats> avih: it's used for double-tap zooming, for example
# [10:39] <avih> kats: right. once we add apzc scroll tests, it could be a good time to also add zoom tests.
# [10:39] <kats> avih: sounds good
# [10:39] <avih> which asaik we don't have right now
# [10:39] <glandium> MarcoZ: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaBuild note 1.9 is due soon
# [10:39] <avih> afaik*
# [10:39] <MarcoZ> glandium: Thanks for the bug hint, BTW! Wonder why our builders don't catch those things?
# [10:40] <gcp> glandium: yes, but the general defenses against it aren't applicable to open orgs
# [10:40] <avih> kats: so that means the apzcAction api could be used for zoom as well ;)
# [10:40] <glandium> MarcoZ: actually the probable final 1.9 is in http://people.mozilla.org/~rvandermeulen/MozillaBuildSetup1.9.0.exe
# [10:40] <glandium> MarcoZ: because they don't have the direct x sdk in a path with spaces
# [10:40] <kats> avih: might be worth filing another bug in that case, so that we keep the separate use cases separate
# [10:40] <avih> glandium: remind me why 1.9 didn't make into release state?
# [10:41] <gcp> You generally steer them via press releases, keeping irrelevant internal stuff internal, and a tactit understanding that throwing shit means you don't get to report scoops for a while.
# [10:41] <kats> we can define the APIs with the right use cases in mind
# [10:41] <glandium> avih: because it's currently being released. and there was a last minute change
# [10:41] <Yoric> A press API? :)
# [10:41] <gcp> Whereas with us, there are no scoops, so reporting requires dredging up internal stuff an intentionally misunderstanding it, and it's impossible to get backlash for throwing shit.
# [10:42] <glandium> gcp: they rarely get noticeable backlash for throwing shit at anything
# [10:43] <avih> kats: should bug 928833 depend on this new bug? or is there another bug from which we could hang both the scroll and zoom apzc api?
# [10:43] <glandium> especially on the web. the article may be updated, but nobody who read it will go back to read the update
# [10:43] <gcp> glandium: ask that to people who report on Apple :P
# [10:43] <avih> the former seems scroll-only
# [10:44] <kats> avih: i would make the scroll+zoom one depend on bug 928833, since this kind of a subset of the things you want
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# [10:44] <gcp> glandium: It's pretty esy to notify competing press first in a closed org.
# [10:44] <MarcoZ> glandium: Sheesh, they probably should, since most devs will just install in the default location, which is C:\Program Files or C:\Program Files (X86), which *does* have spaces.
# [10:44] <kats> s/this kind/this one is kind/
# [10:44] <avih> kats: will do. thx.
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# [10:49] <avih> kats: would this zoom api be used in production? or mostly for testing as far as you can tell now?
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# [10:49] <kats> avih: mostly for testing
# [10:49] <avih> k
# [10:50] <avih> kats: and the scroll api? also mostly for testing?
# [10:50] <kats> avih: we have use cases where we want to expose that API to gaia apps
# [10:50] <kats> avih: but it might be exposed somewhat differently
# [10:50] <avih> i see
# [10:50] <kats> avih: see http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/#scrolloptions
# [10:50] <avih> k, thx for the info. will do
# [10:51] <kats> the "ScrollOptions" thing specifically
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# [10:56] <avih> kats: platform should be all? or firefoxos?
# [10:56] <kats> avih: all
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# [10:57] <avih> kats: so i'll change bug 928839 as well for all?
# [10:57] <kats> avih: sure
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# [10:57] <avih> k
# [10:57] <kats> i'm not too picky about that stuff
# [10:57] <kats> i just want to have a bug so i don't forget
# [10:57] <glandium> kats: bug 988168 looks like it's going to stick this time
# [10:58] <kats> glandium: \o/
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# [10:59] <avih> bug 990486
# [10:59] <kats> avih: thanks
# [10:59] <avih> yw
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# [11:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b9580d120cc - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990357 - Don't push layer for OPERATOR_SOURCE when the drawing operation covers the entire clip for DrawTargetSkia. r=gw280
# [11:02] <MarcoZ> glandium: So I installed Moz Build 1.9, but ./mach build remains the same and should now use MozBuild or whatever that new shiny thing is called, right?
# [11:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c5560a9472c - Matt Woodrow - Bug 990357 - Don't push layer for OPERATOR_SOURCE when the drawing operation covers the entire clip for DrawTargetCG. r=jrmuizel
# [11:02] <glandium> MarcoZ: mozmake
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# [11:03] <MarcoZ> OK
# [11:03] <glandium> MarcoZ: that's likely invisible on a successful build
# [11:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/7e90356f60b1 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [11:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/85861928c08d - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [11:04] <glandium> MarcoZ: try to see if you have mozmake processes around
# [11:04] <MarcoZ> glandium: Well we'll see about that successful build now, I applied the patch from bug 990333 locally to see if that fixes my problems.
# [11:05] <MarcoZ> glandium: Yup they're there.
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# [11:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: ping
# [11:08] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hi
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# [11:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey mattwoodrow seems you push for bug Bug 989858 caused a permared reftest failure on linux debug
# [11:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=37052102&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [11:10] <smontagu> is there a way to get mercurial to give me a combined diff of two changesets?
# [11:10] <glandium> smontagu: if they are consecutive, yes.
# [11:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> something like hg diff -r <rev> -r <rev> or ?
# [11:11] <padenot> yes
# [11:11] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: he said "of", not "between"
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# [11:11] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hrm, that’s weird. I thought it was a random orange
# [11:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah
# [11:12] <smontagu> I tried hg qexport foo bar, but that just gave one after the other
# [11:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: yeah was thinking the same and now noticed they go up from your push
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# [11:12] <smontagu> glandium: please tell me how
# [11:12] <mattwoodrow> 32bit debug only too, weird
# [11:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [11:12] <smontagu> s/q//
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# [11:13] <glandium> smontagu: if foo and bar are consecutive: hg diff -r foo^:bar
# [11:14] <glandium> smontagu: you could also qfold, but that's irreversible
# [11:14] <smontagu> glandium: not necessarily
# [11:14] <glandium> not necessarily what?
# [11:15] <smontagu> I mean, maybe not irreversible by hg commands, but there are other ways
# [11:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: hm shall i backout the patch ?
# [11:16] <smontagu> like export the diff, qfold, and then patch -R -i diffYouExportedEarlier
# [11:16] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: one minute, thinking
# [11:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok :)
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# [11:17] <smontagu> and hg qimport diffYouExportedEarier
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# [11:18] <glandium> smontagu: that makes it about as irreversible as rm.
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# [11:18] <glandium> that is, you can recover if you backup
# [11:18] <glandium> or grep the raw hard drive
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# [11:19] <till> glandium: ping
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# [11:20] <glandium> till: pong
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# [11:21] <till> glandium: someone asked a question about building SpiderMonkey for wp8, and after a first reply I'm completely out of my depth. Can you or someone else maybe follow up? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.tech.js-engine/vNZ-laGCGqk
# [11:22] <_wirepair> anyone know what the ??? for https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIWebSocketChannel is?
# [11:22] <_wirepair> i'd like to construct one via an addon
# [11:23] <glandium> till: i'm not sure we support building for wp8 at all.
# [11:23] <glandium> till: maybe ted would know better
# [11:23] <_wirepair> i tried from nsiioservice.newChannelFromURI but that fails with not supported.
# [11:23] <till> glandium: I don't think we do, and said that. The question is how he'd go about adding that support
# [11:24] <ttaubert> _wirepair: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/push/src/PushService.jsm#629
# [11:24] <glandium> till: i have no idea what wp8 support is visual studio looks like
# [11:24] <glandium> till: so i can't tell much
# [11:24] <_wirepair> sweet!
# [11:24] <till> glandium: ok, I'll ask ted
# [11:24] <_wirepair> thanks
# [11:24] <till> ted: ping, ^
# [11:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0219a7db2289 - Viktor Stanchev - Bug 987297 - Improve memory usage of profiler by packing ProfileEntry structs together better. r=bgirard
# [11:25] <glandium> till: i guess it's too early for him
# [11:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b46559386a45 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 987188 - Guard against a null pointer when dumping the layer tree. r=nical
# [11:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e825b5aa2e89 - Simon Sapin - Bug 989755: Fix up serialization of the grid-template shorthand. r=dholbert
# [11:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c011937283fc - Rick Eyre - Bug 903030 - Add tests for TextTrackCue validation code. r=cpearce
# [11:25] <till> glandium: I thought so, but he might see the ping later
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# [11:32] <@khuey> win 35
# [11:32] <@khuey> bah
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# [11:34] <_wirepair> bah 0x80570018 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_IID) :/
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# [11:35] <Ms2ger> I think we can all agree on one thing... Fuck okcupid
# [11:37] <@khuey> so say we all
# [11:37] <kgrandon> but you can only wink with a free account =(
# [11:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/383edb17c0d5 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [11:38] <glandium> Ms2ger: s/c/st/ ?
# [11:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/ccea983731fd - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [11:38] <kgrandon> really though, this is pretty ridiculous..
# [11:38] <Ms2ger> Fustk?
# [11:39] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I’m going to mark the tests as failing for now
# [11:39] <Ms2ger> Oh
# [11:39] <mattwoodrow> and we’re going to try figure it out (at a workweek, with the author of said tests)
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# [11:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: ok cool
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# [12:10] <kats> avih: ?
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# [12:11] <avih> kats: black bg, yellow text and animated gifs, stars background? this is so geocities :p
# [12:11] <avih> my eyes bleed...
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# [12:12] <kats> avih: are we looking at the same page?
# [12:12] <avih> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/#scrolloptions
# [12:13] <avih> i tried two browsers, both present a page out of a horror teen website
# [12:13] <avih> which looks*
# [12:13] <kats> avih: http://people.mozilla.org/~kgupta/tmp/screen.png
# [12:14] <avih> kats: ok. this is absolutely not what i see...
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# [12:14] <kats> interesting.. are you getting the same content with different style info?
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# [12:16] <mihaelav> there is some inconsistency with the zoom level in the Panel menu: after zooming out, the label shows 90% while ZoomManager.zoom is 0.899999...
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# [12:16] <mihaelav> it used to show 89%before
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# [12:17] <MarcoZ> glandium: Success! Patch to bug 990333 fixed the build for me.
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# [12:18] <avih> kats: http://oi59.tinypic.com/2ltj6nd.jpg
# [12:18] <avih> and the gifs are animated!
# [12:18] <kats> avih: omg
# [12:18] <kats> lol
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# [12:18] <kats> that's amazing
# [12:18] <avih> lol
# [12:18] <avih> wtf is going on?
# [12:18] <kats> avih: maybe you got the april fools version and mine is browser cached
# [12:18] <kats> i'm not going to refresh :p
# [12:19] <avih> yeah, that sounds about right :)
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# [12:19] <kats> ttyl
# [12:20] <avih> lol later
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# [12:21] <_wirepair> hum, why would Ci.nsIWebSocketChannel return undefined? (addon 1.6, ff aurora 30.0a2)
# [12:21] <_wirepair> as in console.log(Ci.nsIWebSocketChannel), doing console.log(Ci.nsIHttpChannel) returns "nsIHttpChannel"
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# [12:26] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do you think you'll have time to review bug 936630 and bug 883609 soon?
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# [12:27] <idwer> ttaubert: and 950399?
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# [12:27] <ttaubert> Yoric: yeah... probably!
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# [12:29] <Yoric> thanks
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# [13:09] <@ted> till: i don't know anything about building for windows phone, sorry
# [13:09] <@ted> till: the answer for him is "you will have to do the port yourself"
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# [13:10] <till> ted: oh, sure. I just thought someone with Windows build system knowledge might be able to tell whether his general approach makes sense
# [13:10] <@ted> doesn't sound like it, no
# [13:11] <@ted> mozillabuild doesn't know anything about building for windows phone
# [13:11] <till> yeah, why would it?
# [13:11] <@ted> i would assume if he's building for wp8 he'd have some idea of how to build things for it, but maybe that's an optimistic view
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# [14:10] <Ms2ger> Sad that this isn't true: http://lpsolit.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/bugzilla-5-0-moved-to-python-bye-bye-perl/
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# [14:11] <ttaubert> Ms2ger: so you want java 8 to upload attachments?
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# [14:12] <ttaubert> java file picker dialogs are the shit
# [14:12] <mcsmurf> heh
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# [14:14] <Ms2ger> gaston, news? :)
# [14:15] <gaston> :(
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# [14:16] <jgraham> There are only two possible answers to that; "none" and "too much"
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# [15:32] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: pong
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# [15:33] <mattwoodrow> oh I see
# [15:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: yeah seems another reftest failure
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# [15:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: was wondering if we need to backout bug 989858 and bug 990338
# [15:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/c57d9bf41ac4 - Sotaro Ikeda - Bug 990305 - Move IsInEmulator() from GrallocImage to gfxPlatform r=nical
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# [15:36] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I don’t think so, just missed some tests when marking them
# [15:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok
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# [15:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: can you push a fix to get this reftest fixed
# [15:40] <mattwoodrow> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Yeah, doing it right now
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# [15:43] <@roc> SO FULL
# [15:43] <Ms2ger> ?
# [15:43] <mattwoodrow> it hurts
# [15:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: thx!
# [15:45] <mcsmurf> Ms2ger: the IRC channel is full
# [15:45] <mcsmurf> (what else ;)
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# [15:45] <Ms2ger> Not as full as #rust :)
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# [15:46] <jgraham> Maybe roc is creating new socket options?
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# [15:51] <jorendorff> bjacob++
# [15:51] <jorendorff> why do we even have that lever?
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# [15:54] <jorendorff> who has installed linux on a macbook pro?
# [15:54] <bjacob> jorendorff: gw280 has
# [15:54] <padenot> jorendorff: bbouvier has
# [15:54] <padenot> nrc as well, right?
# [15:54] <jorendorff> gw280: what distribution?
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# [15:55] <RattyAway> c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/config/rules.mk:885: recipe for target 'libGLESv2.dll' failed
# [15:55] <RattyAway> mozmake[6]: *** [libGLESv2.dll] Error 258
# [15:55] <gw280> jorendorff: fedora
# [15:55] <RattyAway> is this a known problem?
# [15:55] <mcsmurf> RattyAway: is that a question? ;)
# [15:55] <mcsmurf> ah
# [15:55] <gw280> and i'm crashing, so nn
# [15:55] <jorendorff> gw280: nn?
# [15:56] <mcsmurf> RattyAway: new problem?
# [15:56] <jorendorff> gw280: i put fedora on a usb drive and it kernel-panics on startup about 90% of the time
# [15:56] <mcsmurf> RattyAway: sounds like..not sure; maybe clobber?
# [15:56] <RattyAway> mcsmurf: well it was ok yesterday
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# [15:57] <jorendorff> oh, nn means good night.
# [15:57] <jorendorff> good night!
# [15:58] <RattyAway> hmm Bug 988271 - Fixed D3D SDK detection on mingw.
# [15:58] <RattyAway> mcsmurf: looks like Bug 990333
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# [15:59] <mcsmurf> ah
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# [15:59] <tbsaunde> jorendorff: yeah, I think he's on the wrong side of the earth this week
# [15:59] <jorendorff> stupid earth
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# [16:00] <padenot> can someone here change email on bugzilla? someone can't login because his email does not work anymore
# [16:00] <padenot> kaze: ^
# [16:00] <Ms2ger> gavin, ^
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# [16:03] <kaze> gerv: would you have the magic powers required to change my bugzilla mail from kaze@mozilla.com to fabien@cazenave.cc by any chance?
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# [16:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/0140e7b8fa0d - Lucas Rocha - Bug 940575 - Implement scopes for SharedPreferences (r=rnewman)
# [16:04] <Ms2ger> kaze, what, did you leave?
# [16:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/b13253fea342 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 940575 - Handle null background thread in isOnBackgroundThread() (r=rnewman)
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# [16:05] <Ms2ger> And glob can, I assume
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# [16:05] <glob> hi
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> <kaze> would you have the magic powers required to change my bugzilla mail from kaze@mozilla.com to fabien@cazenave.cc by any chance?
# [16:05] <kaze> Ms2ger: unfortunately, yes. :-( :-(
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# [16:05] <glob> yup
# [16:05] <glob> kaze, to PM we go!
# [16:06] <kaze> thx glob
# [16:06] <Ms2ger> kaze, sounds like you can work on editor/ in your free time now :)
# [16:06] <kaze> Ms2ger: true :)
# [16:06] <gerv> kaze: sorry, missed that note to me.
# [16:06] <gerv> Yes, I do have said magic powers.
# [16:06] <gerv> One moment.
# [16:07] <Ms2ger> gerv, glob is handling it too :)
# [16:07] <kaze> gerv: sorry for the noise
# [16:07] <gerv> No problem.
# [16:07] <glob> gerv, already done :)
# [16:08] <@khuey> you know what the best part about April Fools day on the internet is?
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# [16:08] <gerv> Bugzilla currently shows him as kaze@unverified.tld.
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# [16:08] <Ms2ger> khuey, you?
# [16:08] <@khuey> I'm going to spend 14 hours of it on a plane far away from the internet
# [16:08] <gerv> does that mean he needs to reply to an email?
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# [16:08] <glob> gerv, nope..
# [16:08] <glob> gerv, https://wiki.mozilla.org/BMO/RestoringDisabledAccounts
# [16:09] <kaze> account changed
# [16:09] <RyanVM> ehsan: quite the impressive RequestLongerTimeout dump on Sunday
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# [16:09] <kaze> thanks a *lot* folks
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# [16:10] <gerv> kaze: you are always a Mozillian :-)
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# [16:11] <Ms2ger> kaze, I hear we've recently opened up a position, if you'd like to be one full-time ;)
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> (Too soon?)
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# [16:11] <kaze> Ms2ger: a position for what company?
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> MoCo, I guess?
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# [16:20] <past> is there a diagram or a document explaining the order between the various states in nsIWebProgress?
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# [16:22] <Ms2ger> Ha. Ha. Ha.
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# [16:24] <kaze> Ms2ger: if MoCo wants to hire me right now, I’d run for it
# [16:25] <kaze> Ms2ger: but I doubt it a bit right now :-/
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# [16:27] <kaze> Ms2ger: if you have an URL related to this position, please send it to me — I’ll apply and let you know
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# [16:43] <Alessar> Are there anybody who work with FireFox OS ? Anybody knows in which conference room I can find this people?
# [16:44] <Ms2ger> #b2g
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# [16:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/e47bd7fca2cf - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 4eb0d4408fd2 (bug 961317) for Windows xpcshell failures.
# [16:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0228344cc188 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 990022 - Refactor BaselineIC profiler pseudo-stack update code. r=efaust
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# [16:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jfkthame: might the reftest failures here https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=B2g-Inbound&jobname=emu.*reft&tochange=c8be375e0c41&fromchange=ccea983731fd be from https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/moztt/commit/a425b5eaf4949ab17a1670442fc2b17a82c84a74
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# [16:51] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, going to look...
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# [16:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> thank you :-)
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# [16:52] <RattyAway> oh now I'm getting: LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file ' C:/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft DirectX SDK (June 2010)/Lib/x86/dxguid.lib'
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# [16:52] <RattyAway> But that file exists
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# [16:53] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jfkthame: strangely the EC2 versions of those tests didn't go orange
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# [16:54] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, also, it's interesting to me that apparently the tests are being chunked quite differently on the two systems
# [16:55] <jfkthame> though that's probably not relevant to the orange
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# [16:55] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jfkthame: runtime concerns since the EC2 instances are slower than the existing machines I believe
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# [16:55] <RyanVM> jfkthame: yeah, they run on 15 chunks on ec2 vs. 10 on rev3s
# [16:56] <jfkthame> ok, makes sense (though it makes it more confusing to compare)
# [16:56] <RyanVM> yeah, I know :(
# [16:56] <RyanVM> but the rev3 ones won't be around for much longer
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# [16:59] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, so it looks to me like the failures are due to incorrect character clusters - which shouldn't be affected by font changes, but perhaps we have a bug whereby that can happen
# [17:00] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, any other changes landed between the last good run and the failures?
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# [17:00] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jfkthame: there's also https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/gaia-central/rev/e7688d46cebd
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# [17:01] <edmorley|sheriffduty> and a seemingly unrelated revert (https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/gaia-central/rev/3221e2a05eb5)
# [17:01] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, i'm more suspicious of the font changes than that
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# [17:02] <edmorley|sheriffduty> the jobs in the regression range will be complete in 30-40, so happy to just wait and see for now :-)
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# [17:04] <RattyAway> RyanVM: Hmm I"m reading https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980697#c53
# [17:04] * @khuey wonders if he should download any patches for the plane
# [17:04] <Ms2ger> khuey, download Servo ;)
# [17:04] <jfkthame> khuey, why - does the plane have holes in it?
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# [17:05] <@khuey> jfkthame: on China Airlines? maybe
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# [17:05] <jfkthame> china is more likely to have cracks than holes, i guess
# [17:05] <RyanVM> RattyAway: was there a question there?
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# [17:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ca3080dbf342 - Randell Jesup - Bug 986762 - Don't release DataChannelConnection on transient thread on readblob failure. r=smaug, a=sledru
# [17:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c6214a09be3c - Myk Melez - Bug 982559 - Use intent data to start app from legacy shorcut. r=wesj, a=sledru
# [17:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/336f75532f5f - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 898647 - Move app package in the Resources directory on Mac. r=myk, a=sledru
# [17:07] <RattyAway> RyanVM: do I need a newer mozilla-build since I'm getting: LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file ' C:/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft DirectX SDK (June 2010)/Lib/x86/dxguid.lib'
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# [17:07] <RyanVM> RattyAway: 1.8 has a lot of known issues that are fixed in 1.9
# [17:08] <RyanVM> which version are you on?
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# [17:10] <asb> Hello, I am working on jsobj.cpp and trying to get the call stack from there. I tried to use DescribeScriptedCaller which is implemented in jsapi but I am getting error 'DescribeScriptedCaller' is not a member of 'JS'. Do you have any idea about what is wrong?
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# [17:10] <RyanVM> RattyAway: if you're not sure, you can take a look at VERSION in the root dir of your mozillabuild installation
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# [17:12] <asb> I am also getting the following error during compile: js/src/jsobj.cpp:4719:8: error: AutoFilename is not a member of JS
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# [17:12] <RattyAway> RyanVM: an older 1.9.0pre
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# [17:12] <RattyAway> I'll try the latest
# [17:12] <gps> vlad: wrt your CLOBBER comment from yesterday evening, you are supposed to file a new bug blocking 941904 any time you update CLOBBER. unfortunately, build system is under-staffed right now, so we don't have the cycles to follow up with every issue
# [17:12] <RyanVM> RattyAway: yeah, give the final release a shot and see :)
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# [17:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RattyAway: also try the patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=990333 ?
# [17:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RattyAway: (spaces in the path)
# [17:13] <RattyAway> thanks!
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# [17:21] <MarcoZ> Hi there! hg bzexport gives me this error on first usage attempt: Refreshing configuration cache for https://api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org/latest/
# [17:21] <MarcoZ> abort: Error loading bugzilla configuration: No module named json
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# [17:21] <glob> gerv ^
# [17:21] <Optimizer> RyanVM: re bug 982997
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# [17:21] <gerv> MarcoZ: Ooh.
# [17:21] <Optimizer> test only change does not need aurora uplift request, right ?
# [17:22] <RyanVM> Optimizer: i literally just added it to my aurora queue
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# [17:22] <Optimizer> RyanVM: ah :)
# [17:22] <Optimizer> cool thanks
# [17:22] <RyanVM> :)
# [17:22] <gerv> MarcoZ: I think you may not have the Python JSON module installed locally.
# [17:22] <RyanVM> thank you!
# [17:22] <gerv> I don't think that error comes from BzAPI.
# [17:22] <gerv> https://api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org/latest/configuration is working just fine.
# [17:22] <MarcoZ> gerv: I'm on Windows and added the lines with my credentials and the URLs to my mercurial.ini file from the readme as they are stated there.
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# [17:22] <gerv> MarcoZ: Stated where?
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# [17:23] <MarcoZ> gerv: The readme for bzexport.
# [17:23] <gerv> What I'm saying is, this is a hg bzexport extension problem, not a BzAPI problem.
# [17:23] <MarcoZ> I used ./mach setup-mercurial to pull in the current (new repository) stuff.
# [17:23] <gerv> (Perhaps you knew that; but glob summoned me, so...)
# [17:23] <glob> gerv, ah, sorry; i miss-understood the error :)
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# [17:24] <MarcoZ> gerv: Well if that json extension for Python is missing, it is missing from MozBuild 1.9.0, as this is what I'm using from RyanVM's people page.
# [17:25] <MarcoZ> (glandium gave me the URL to the most up-to-date 1.9.0 build)
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# [17:25] <gerv> MarcoZ: Maybe everyone else who ever used mozbuild had it installed, so they mozbuild people didn't realise it was a dependency?
# [17:25] <gerv> I don't know...
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# [17:25] <RyanVM> i have no idea what you guys are talking about
# [17:25] <gerv> I don't maintain mozbuild :-)
# [17:25] <RyanVM> python hasn't changed in 1.9
# [17:26] <gerv> RyanVM: Marco's getting this error:
# [17:26] <gerv> 17:20:02 - MarcoZ: abort: Error loading bugzilla configuration: No module named json
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# [17:26] <gps> RyanVM: this is a problem with the Mercurial distribution in MozillaBuild
# [17:26] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, i think it's likely those oranges were triggered by the font changes in a425b5eaf4949ab17a1670442fc2b17a82c84a74, though i don't totally understand why yet
# [17:26] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, and i suspect the real bug is elsewhere, and just happens to be exposed by the font change
# [17:27] <gps> it has its own Python distribution which strips unused stdlib modules, including json
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# [17:28] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, would it be an option to mark them as failing on that platform and file a bug (cc'ing me and :mwu)?
# [17:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jfkthame: there are a fair few of them, but I'm open to that if you think it's best?
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# [17:29] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, i thought there were only a couple of tests? /me looks again...
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# [17:29] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jfkthame: ah sorry yes the chunking threw me
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# [17:30] <jfkthame> edmorley|sheriffduty, yeah, it's only two reftests, both involving korean chars and missing glyphs... i think there's a real code bug involved but it'll take a bit of time to investigate
# [17:30] <RattyAway> Mike Hommey [:glandium] patch touches https://bug990333.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8399847
# [17:30] <RattyAway> --- a/toolkit/library/libxul.mk
# [17:30] <RattyAway> +++ b/toolkit/library/libxul.mk
# [17:31] <RattyAway> but libxul.mk doesn't exist so I get a rej file
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# [17:35] <catlee> any idea how I can debug?
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# [17:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/729c1cb605aa - Jared Wein - Bug 969963 - Grey out PanelUI-popup items when a subview is opened. r=mconley a=sledru
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# [18:04] <mkaply> OK, I must be dense. How do I actually install qbackout?
# [18:04] <mkaply> what do I put in the ~/mozilla/qbackout directory?
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# [18:07] <RattyAway> What's a qbackout?
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# [18:07] <bz> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=qbackout ?
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# [18:08] <bz> mkaply: you still there?
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# [18:09] <bz> mkaply: (cd ~/mozilla; hg clone https://bitbucket.org/sfink/qbackout)
# [18:09] <bz> mkaply: do that
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# [18:09] <sfink> actually, the latest is now in https://hg.mozilla.org/hgcustom/version-control-tools (under hgext/qbackout)
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# [18:10] <bz> sfink: well, you need to teach Google about that. ;)
# [18:10] <sfink> I think ./mach mercurial-setup probably goes to that now
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# [18:11] <sfink> yeah, looks like I should at least put a pointer in the README. I thought somebody or other already had.
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# [18:13] <sfink> ok, done
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# [18:15] <mkaply> ok. Cool. Thanks
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# [18:17] <mkaply> sfink: So what is the result of hg qbackout? After I run it, what do I then do to get something to post to the bug?
# [18:17] * mkaply clearly doesn't use hg enough
# [18:17] <sfink> mkaply: it will push something into your mq queue.
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# [18:18] <sfink> If you don't use mq, then qbackout doesn't work.
# [18:18] <@dolske> someone make this for TBPL! http://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/files/2014/04/unit_tests.gif
# [18:19] <Ms2ger> dolske, "it appears as if you like poor UIs. May I suggest TBPL?"
# [18:19] <sfink> do you use mq? There will be a patch file that you can upload in <checkout>/.hg/patches/<patchname>
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# [18:20] <sfink> Ms2ger++
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# [18:21] <mkaply> sfink: I enabled it so I could use it for this purpose. Honestly, I do vrey little hg work. I'm just trying to figure out how I can help get the patch in bug 889085 backed out.
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# [18:23] <mkaply> Using qbackout more about just making things convenient?
# [18:23] <sfink> mkaply: if it's not going to conflict with anything, you can try "edmorley|sheriffduty: can you back out dddfd63f1414 and f8c14bd80676 for bug 889085?" :)
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# [18:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/07f99459e9e6 - Ed Morley - Bug 990627 - Disable first-letter/329069-2.html for failures after the landing of bug 987582
# [18:24] <mkaply> sfink: Good point. I should probably check for conflicts first though. It looks like the qbackout of the second patch didn't work. I'm checking.
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# [18:30] <firebot> glandium was last seen 6 hours, 52 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying 'Ms2ger: s/c/st/ ?' in #developers.
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# [18:31] <mkaply> Yeah, not a simple backout because of a change to an added function after the fact.
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# [18:34] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ochameau: hi :-)
# [18:34] <Ms2ger> RattyAway, I swear he was alive when I left him!
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# [18:34] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ochameau: is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=37075976&tree=Mozilla-Inbound likely to have been caused by https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c3b772518f2 ?
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# [18:36] <jorendorff> is this town hall thing now?
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# [18:36] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: nothing important I just spotted a problem in his patch. hoping to catch him before he pushes
# [18:36] <@smaug> do I need to do some magic these days to add tests
# [18:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, add to the manifest?
# [18:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, and hg add?
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# [18:37] <@smaug> Ms2ger: manifest *and* .ini ?
# [18:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, .ini == manifest
# [18:37] <@smaug> it is in the .ini
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# [18:38] <@ted> then that should be sufficient
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# [18:41] <Mossop> Bugzilla 5.0 requires Java to upload attachments. That sounds worrying
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# [18:41] <glob> Mossop, *blinks*
# [18:41] <bz> This video isn't so much playing....
# [18:41] <glob> bz, the townhall? 15 min delay
# [18:41] <bz> glob: yes, that one
# [18:41] <bz> glob: ok
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# [18:42] <glob> bz, --> #townhall
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# [18:43] <Ms2ger> glob, oh, in case someone says something stupid?
# [18:43] <catlee-lunch> Mossop: yeah, but they're working on ActiveX support for 5.1
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# [18:43] <Mossop> catlee-lunch: Embracing the future!
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# [18:43] <glob> Ms2ger, noooo, it's starting 15 mins later than planned
# [18:43] <bz> glob: mmm, needs a different IRC client too, lovely
# [18:43] <glob> Ms2ger, but that's an amusing thought
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# [18:44] <glob> bz, there be a password for that channel
# [18:44] <Ms2ger> <brendan> I wholeheartedly support my dona... CUT!
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# [18:44] <bz> glob:
# [18:44] <bz> glob: and needs SSL, I assume?
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# [18:47] <Mossop> How do we get the password for #townhall?
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# [18:47] <@smaug> you need to guess it
# [18:47] <Ms2ger> Is it hunter2?
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# [18:48] <gcp> Ms2ger: yep it's *******
# [18:48] <Ms2ger> :D
# [18:48] <Mossop> So seriously?
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# [18:48] <Mossop> Never mind
# [18:48] <mcsmurf> :D
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# [18:51] <RattyAway> nothing seems to be showing @ townhall?
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# [18:55] <RattyAway> Error loading stream ID not found on server
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# [18:55] <NeilAway> RattyAway: the file got renamed on inbound, try patching against Makefile.in instead
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# [18:56] <RattyAway> NeilAway already did that. Build successful
# [18:56] <NeilAway> RattyAway: :-)
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# [18:57] <RattyAway> NeilAway: or rather I patched the Makefile in the obj-dir because I was lazy
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# [19:08] <RyanVM> ochameau: retriggers on the prior push are green
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# [19:25] <taj1> hi, iam working on Bug 940275 and need help showing property panels
# [19:25] <taj1> they need to be dynamic not static, can anyone help me
# [19:25] <taj1> plz
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# [19:43] <Mossop> bz: Is there a good way to detect a new chrome window and be able to get its real URI before any scripts have executed in it?
# [19:43] <jesup> sheeri: https://plus.google.com/106186763111547737548/posts/7ywzndcoXfH
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# [19:48] <RattyAway> it works!
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# [19:50] <bz> Mossop: um... I don't know.
# [19:50] <dougt> the tree is closed again. :(
# [19:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dougt: yeah, people should really stop breaking it
# [19:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> speaking of which
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# [20:08] <RattyAway> That was a fast townhall ending rather quickly
# [20:08] <RattyAway> ??
# [20:09] <gcp> its still on
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# [20:18] <Callek> RattyAway: yea still watching it here
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# [20:19] <RattyAway> Callek: had to reload the page and then it started / continued
# [20:19] <RattyAway> aargh I seem to have missed most of it
# [20:19] <jez> Is there anywhere in the SeaMonkey/Firefox interfaces where the word "locale" is used? Ideally I'd like to steal that word to use in my addon.
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# [20:20] <RattyAway> RyanVM|sheriffduty: not as late as here surely? (02:19am)
# [20:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> heh
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# [20:21] <Callek> RattyAway: in a few hours for sure it should likely be up for "non-live" viewing
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# [20:21] <Callek> RyanVM|sheriffduty: similar ^
# [20:21] <Callek> ;-)
# [20:21] <RattyAway> Does that mean only available to zombies and vampires?
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# [20:29] <RattyAway> We should just blackhole OKCupid
# [20:30] <fox2mike> hah
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# [20:30] <davidb> someone said we should suggest other dating sites
# [20:30] <jez> it's a waste of space anyway. never talked to anything other than timewasters on there.
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# [20:30] <jez> dunno whether that applies to online dating in general.
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# [20:32] <Callek> "we see you're trying to access OK Cupid?, the sites developers don't care about your choice of web browser, may we suggest these alternatives (*) AshleyMaddison (*) ChristianMingle (*) ChatRoulette ?"
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# [20:33] <RattyAway> Oo
# [20:33] <RattyAway> oO
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# [20:35] <jez> Callek: hey. any idea when seamonkey's tbpl will be working?
# [20:35] <Callek> jez: RattyAway was just threatening me with more cheesecake sent to my house if I don't fix it
# [20:35] <Callek> (seriously he does send me cheesecake)
# [20:35] <jez> wtf? that sounds like an incentive not to
# [20:35] <RattyAway> ;)
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# [20:36] <Callek> meh I'm not a cheesecake fan (my family likes it and such though)
# [20:36] <jez> ratty, send *poisoned* cheesecake
# [20:36] <RattyAway> :P
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# [20:37] <Ms2ger> It'll only kill his family anyway
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# [20:37] <jez> Callek: but seriously any timeframe? it'd be nice to see the boxes compiling seamonkey and their status
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# [20:38] <jez> mysql? heh
# [20:38] <Callek> basically code did a select on one table, and inserted the data into another table, and I was suddenly getting > 70k results in the set
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# [20:39] <Callek> due to a bad where clause (or bad data) or both
# [20:39] <Callek> and the code I'm using that is doing the selects is the exact same code as what MoCo releng uses, only its selecting from a DB that is populated from code that is merely "similar" to what moco releng is using
# [20:39] <jez> Callek: cant the ppl who set up firefox's tbpl help you out?
# [20:39] <Callek> jez: so its a very twisty catacomb thing here
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# [20:40] <Callek> jez: I'm one of the people who matter for this piece of the architecture on moco side
# [20:40] <Callek> (I'm a moco releng person) and its releng-tooling that populates the data I'm missing
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# [20:40] <RattyAway> Callek: is the mysql server running in "strict" mode?
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# [20:41] <jez> Callek: all sounds a bit Rude Goldberg
# [20:41] <jez> *Rube
# [20:41] <Callek> jez: that coupled with the fact that all my moco-releng teammates are overloaded on work atm (eg. so am I) -- means that only I can devote the time to figure this out
# [20:41] <RattyAway> Heath Robinson?
# [20:41] <jez> yup
# [20:41] <Callek> RattyAway: I am pretty sure they are... but I don't have admin access to this server to verify top of my head
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# [20:42] <Callek> jez: basically it could be within 1 hour of looking, or within 1 month of looking, depending on what "a-ha" moments I get
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# [20:42] <jez> ok. *sigh*
# [20:42] <Callek> jez: I also temporarily asked IT to turn off write access for the DB I was melting, so I didn't have to do a hack to disable it on my side
# [20:43] <Callek> I can get it back on with a mere ask, but the point remains
# [20:43] <jez> ... that tbpl is stupidly overcomplicated? :-)
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# [20:43] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jez: preaching to the choir on that one :P
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# [21:01] <jib> why doesn't the video on http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/ work?
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# [21:04] <@dbaron> RyanVM|sheriffduty, looks like the mochitests we're waiting for on mozilla-inbound are done (not in builds-running.js anymore), but haven't shown up in completed builds yet.
# [21:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yep, an dself-serve shows them as green
# [21:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> reopening :)
# [21:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dbaron: and bonus points to you if you reply to my needinfo? ;)
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# [21:05] <kaie> is the australis UI still implemented using XUL ?
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# [21:05] <Ms2ger> I guess so
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# [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dbaron: I made a vain attempt at trying to backport some of your recent reftests to aurora over the weekend. Didn't go so well :(
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# [21:07] <kaie> ok. Is there still an inspector tool that I can use to learn about the elements of the UI/chrome elements? It seems the "developer/inspector" tool only gives information about the web content space?
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> DOMi, I guess
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Which is probably dead
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# [21:08] <@dbaron> RyanVM|sheriffduty, the "run reftests in more directories" patches?
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# [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah, and some of the other fixes (like disabling the scrollbar fades)
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# [21:09] <@dbaron> RyanVM|sheriffduty, I think the pref for disabling scrollbar fades might need to be backported too
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# [21:09] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [21:09] <@dbaron> RyanVM|sheriffduty, mstange added that only a few days before my patch, I think
# [21:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah, I probably missed the actual patch that created the pref
# [21:10] <kaie> Ms2ger, thanks for reminding me it was DOM-inspector! I just installed it... And firefox crashed
# [21:10] <Ms2ger> Ha
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# [21:11] <kaie> (mozilla-central debug build)
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# [21:12] <kaie> stack: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4743495
# [21:12] <kaie> oh. a debug break. me stupid?
# [21:13] <kaie> no, still stuck after saying "continue" in gdb
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# [21:14] <@dbaron> RyanVM|sheriffduty, and yeah, that needinfo? looks like it'll take a little digging
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# [21:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dbaron: ok, thanks
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# [21:23] <jesup> jmaher: ping
# [21:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: ping
# [21:23] <jmaher> jesup: pong
# [21:24] <jesup> jmaher: just checking - have you had a chance to review where we are/next steps?
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# [21:25] <jmaher> jesup: I started downloading patches- there are a lot of them to apply, so I didn't get done with it :(
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# [21:25] <jld> bsmedberg: ping, re bug 989042?
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# [21:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/e9d9bfa0befd - Wes Johnston - backout f1a7f2af1dce (Bug 981852) because its no longer needed. r=backout
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# [21:27] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
# [21:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: hey, progress! http://imgur.com/aMNHTjc
# [21:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: got a few minutes to talk about it?
# [21:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c7f49db0b09 - Jim Chen - Bug 984458 - e. Add NativeJSObject object getter; r=blassey
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93f0f89e30da - Jim Chen - Bug 984458 - c. Add skeletal NativeJSObject implementation; r=blassey
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9bea24490d6 - Jim Chen - Bug 984458 - d. Add NativeJSObject property getters; r=blassey
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# [21:28] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: neato! sure. on irc or vidyo?
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7821e5836e71 - Jim Chen - Bug 984458 - a. Add NativeJSContainer implementation; r=blassey
# [21:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: irc's fine, just a couple questions
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3bfc6b95ea3 - Jim Chen - Bug 984458 - b. Add threading support to NativeJSContainer; r=blassey
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99a8ea57ec65 - Jim Chen - Bug 984458 - f. Add NativeJSObject opt getters; r=blassey
# [21:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: are these going to be desktop-only? i.e. can I ignore the Android-specific mochitest suites we run?
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# [21:29] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yes, desktop-only
# [21:29] <billm> there aren't any plans at all for e10s for android
# [21:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: and I'm assuming mochitest-mc running on the metro project branch will be unaffected as well?
# [21:29] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah, we don't want to run that in e10s either
# [21:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> excellent
# [21:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so just mochitest-plain, bc, dt (devtools split out from bc), and m-oth
# [21:30] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: eventually we will want to do reftests, crashtests, and jsreftests
# [21:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yes
# [21:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok, then the mochitest part is done
# [21:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> on to reftests
# [21:30] <gaston> #ifdef DEBUG_bsmedberg
# [21:30] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, cool
# [21:30] <gaston> bsmedberg: should i assume you're the spellchecker extension owner ? :)
# [21:30] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks so much for the help
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# [21:31] <@bsmedberg> gaston: god now
# [21:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: no prob, I should have the patch up for review in a bit
# [21:31] <@bsmedberg> no
# [21:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: are we running the full set of tests anywhere?
# [21:31] <gaston> found that gem in extensions/spellcheck/hunspell/src/mozHunspell.cpp :)
# [21:31] <@bsmedberg> jld: just a review-ping? I may have time today
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# [21:32] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: on the holly branch
# [21:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> perfect, thanks
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# [21:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: ah, but they don't have the new job names there
# [21:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> darn
# [21:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> JP too?
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# [21:33] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: that's just an accident. I wasn't sure how to disable them.
# [21:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> oh, ok :)
# [21:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> very good then
# [21:33] <gaston> darn there's absolutely no debugging code in that broken spellchecker
# [21:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I'll wing it on the reftests since I don't have a way to actually test it
# [21:33] <billm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah, we can sort out any problems once the buildbot and mozharness stuff is done
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# [21:36] <jld> bsmedberg: Yeah; the patch is small, but the implications might not be trivial. (Also, it'd help releng if I could uplift 943174, which I don't want to do without fixing the BSD bustage.)
# [21:37] <gaston> a new bsd bustage piling on top of the others ?
# [21:37] <jld> gaston: No, the same one. Unless there's a new one I don't know about.
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# [21:37] <jesup> gaston: FYI, new webrtc.org patch in the works (3.50)
# [21:38] <gaston> ugh
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# [21:38] <gaston> jld: i have one for the P_PID thing, and 3 or 4 different ones for sparc64/non-ion/non-assembler so...
# [21:38] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> billm: for reftests, that's just the basic reftests and not the unaccelerated/omtc types, right?
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# [21:38] <jesup> gaston: patch queue is here and you can try building it *before* we finalize it :-) http://hg.mozilla.org/users/rjesup_wgate.com/webrtc_3_50
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# [21:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok
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# [21:40] <gaston> jesup: tree is already in bad shape for me :( even before webrtc
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# [21:40] <jesup> well, if you can get me any reports I'll get them into the initial landing
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# [21:42] <gaston> what's the ETA ? i'm mostly offline in the next 2 weeks
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# [21:43] <jld> gaston: To quote bsmedberg from ~12 minutes ago, "I may have time today"
# [21:44] <jesup> gaston: probably within a week or so
# [21:44] <gaston> ah
# [21:44] <gaston> jesup: dont bother for me then, i'll have to catchup afterwards :)
# [21:44] <jesup> gaston: someone else who can make trial builds and file issue?
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# [21:44] <gaston> yes jbeich
# [21:44] <jesup> k
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# [21:44] <Ms2ger> jesup, you could setup a BSD builder locally ;)
# [21:44] <jld> gaston: Oh, whoops. I thought that was to me.
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# [21:45] <jesup> Ms2ger: yes, in my copious spare time.
# [21:45] <gaston> jld: but i'm glad to know that a bsd bustage will be fixed :)
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# [21:45] <Ms2ger> jesup, I'm so sorry
# [21:45] * jld used to be jld@NetBSD.org so, yeah.
# [21:46] <jld> Actually, I might still be. I haven't looked at that mailbox in, um, too long.
# [21:46] <jesup> We used mozilla on FreeBSD-based rack-mount servers in the old days for internet-over-cable-boxes
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# [21:47] <gaston> semi-buddy ?
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# [21:48] <jesup> Good net (and once in a while at a convention in-person) acquaintance from the Amiga days
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# [21:49] <gaston> that guy is insanely smart..
# [21:49] <jesup> yes he is
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# [22:10] <bbondy> RyanVM: So it looks like on this changeset the win8 beta mochitest browser chrome failures stopped happening. I don't see why though. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta&rev=c6214a09be3c
# [22:11] <RyanVM> bbondy: well isn't that fun
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# [22:11] <bbondy> I guess it was just intermittent
# [22:12] <bbondy> and we'll see it again
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# [22:20] <catlee> gah
# [22:20] <catlee> firefox, Y U NO LIKE KEYBOARDS?
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# [22:23] <catlee> certain firefox windows stop accepting keyboard input
# [22:23] <catlee> but others from the same process keep working fine
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# [22:25] <@dbaron> what happened to build-running.js and builds-pending.js?
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# [22:25] <catlee> I'd tell you, but firefox is eating keyboard events
# [22:26] <catlee> dbaron: like, where are they, or why are they old, or ?
# [22:26] <@dbaron> catlee, tbpl can't load them
# [22:26] <@dbaron> "Loading failed: error (https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/builddata/buildjson/builds-pending.js)"
# [22:26] <catlee> WFM
# [22:27] <@dbaron> I wonder if it's the vpn
# [22:27] <catlee> I get that intermittently
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# [22:27] <@dbaron> nope, not the vpn
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# [22:27] <RyanVM> bbondy: a very prophetic prediction ;)
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# [22:28] <catlee> you can't load it right now?
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# [22:28] <@dbaron> catlee, correct... at least not in the browser
# [22:29] <@dbaron> catlee, works fine with wget, though
# [22:30] <@dbaron> clearing disk cache doesn't help
# [22:30] <bbondy> :)
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# [22:31] <catlee> force-refresh?
# [22:31] <catlee> what does the network console say?
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# [22:32] <Waldo> hsivonen: so my suggestions don't work, massaging further -- may end up adding some extra mfbt API for this use case, as there's an instance of it already
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# [22:44] <Waldo> oh I hate the University Recruiting Team right now
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# [22:44] <Ms2ger> Waldo, what, with the interns storing at your home?
# [22:44] <tbsaunde> Waldo: ?
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# [22:46] <Waldo> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4743916
# [22:46] <Waldo> tbsaunde: ^
# [22:46] <Waldo> so bad, yet so good
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# [22:48] <RyanVM> Waldo: lmao, awesome
# [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0fe0262bdf9 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 990150 - Give AccessFu content tests debug output. r=yzen
# [22:48] <idwer> ttaubert: re https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=950399#c28 - such as? I can upload about:config somewhere if you wish
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# [22:48] <ttaubert> idwer: check about:support, that shows a list of changed prefs
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# [22:56] <jesup> anyone have a good idea on how to track down a "destroyed timer off its target thread" MOZ_ASSERT() that happens once every few weeks (and then happens every day or so for a while). (bsmedberg? ehsan?) bug 941751
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg> jesup: yes, actually, although I'll have to go dig up the code
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg> jesup: please email me, I'll have some details for you tomorrow
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# [23:00] <jorendorff> karl: ...really?
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# [23:00] <karl> hi, jorendorff :)
# [23:01] <jorendorff> hi :)
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# [23:01] <Optimizer> whos on sherrif duty ?
# [23:01] <karl> jorendorff: thanks for pointing out the js history; that's cleared up some misunderstandings
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# [23:02] <karl> jorendorff: i guess you've seen http://robert.ocallahan.org/2011/12/case-for-non-fatal-assertions.html
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# [23:02] <RyanVM|afk> Optimizer: KWierso
# [23:02] <RyanVM|afk> though his name lies ;)
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# [23:03] <KWierso|sheriffduty> ...no?
# [23:03] <Optimizer> ok, I want one of the two attachments of bug 965362 to be uplifted to aurora and beta
# [23:03] <Optimizer> KWierso|sheriffduty: boo
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# [23:03] <Optimizer> its a test only change.
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# [23:03] <KWierso|sheriffduty> can do
# [23:04] <RyanVM|afk> Optimizer: KWierso|sheriffduty: any reason it can't wait until the morning?
# [23:04] <RyanVM|afk> yeesh
# [23:04] <Optimizer> RyanVM|afk: no reasons
# [23:04] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso|sheriffduty: in general principle, I try to push test-only fixes to release branches as ride-alongs
# [23:04] <Optimizer> I just want to know , how to put it on radar
# [23:04] <RyanVM|afk> Optimizer: I have bug queries I look at daily
# [23:04] <RyanVM|afk> same way your other one this morning was on radar ;)
# [23:04] <Optimizer> so I just set flags ?
# [23:04] <jorendorff> karl: I see it. Maybe it's just the difference between JS engine, which has really hard invariants, and everyone else
# [23:05] <jorendorff> karl: but "control flow should never get here" does not seem all that optional
# [23:05] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Optimizer: I'd add somthing to the whiteboard
# [23:05] <RyanVM|afk> Optimizer: you don't need to do anything, I look for all intermittent failures fixed daily
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# [23:05] <jorendorff> karl: that seems always bad
# [23:05] <Optimizer> RyanVM|afk: yeah, I know. but this one needs partial uplift
# [23:05] <Optimizer> anyways, I have added a comment
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# [23:05] <Optimizer> saying the same
# [23:05] <RyanVM|afk> Optimizer: that's fine
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# [23:05] <jorendorff> karl: of course roc is only arguing that nonfatal assertions should be *available*
# [23:06] <Waldo> yeah, and that camel only wants his nose in the tent
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# [23:06] <karl> yes, i think there's a distinction
# [23:06] <RyanVM|afk> Optimizer: btw, you can always requst approval for the non tset-only patch if it's helpful
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# [23:06] <Optimizer> RyanVM|afk: ehsan said no
# [23:06] * karl thinks about whether control flow is different from other assertions and which other assertions
# [23:06] <RyanVM|afk> whatev
# [23:07] <@ehsan> the non-test patch is quite risky
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# [23:08] <aja> heycam: ping
# [23:08] <heycam> aja, hi
# [23:08] <RyanVM|afk> ehsan: k
# [23:08] <Optimizer> ehsan: but the api is still same, without the non test patch too ?
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# [23:09] <@ehsan> Optimizer: the api?
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# [23:09] <aja> heycam: did some fallback testing overnight...and came up with some unexpected, to me anyway, results
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# [23:09] <heycam> aja, bugs?
# [23:09] <aja> heycam: know of a good fiddler service?
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# [23:09] <Optimizer> I mean, I can still do while (input.available()) {
# [23:10] <Optimizer> data = data.concat(scriptableStream.read(input.available()));
# [23:10] <Optimizer> }
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# [23:10] <Optimizer> ehsan: ^ ?
# [23:10] <heycam> aja, I just use jsfiddle.net
# [23:10] <aja> heycam: not sure if bugs, or spec issues, or both
# [23:10] <@ehsan> Optimizer: yeah... not sure if I understand the question :)
# [23:10] <@ehsan> Optimizer: that could is still correct even with the xpcom bug not fixed
# [23:10] <Optimizer> its okay :)
# [23:10] <Optimizer> ok.
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# [23:11] <heycam> aja, if you put some tests up I'll tell you what the behaviour should be (from my understanding of the spec)
# [23:11] <Waldo> Optimizer: note that concat copies, so that's O(n**2)
# [23:11] <@ehsan> it's just that the xpcom bug may make it so that even that code could not read all of the contents of the stream
# [23:11] <@ehsan> does that make more sense?
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# [23:11] <Optimizer> n**2 == n^2 ?
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# [23:11] <Optimizer> Waldo: these are tests :P
# [23:11] <Waldo> Optimizer: the only way to keep appending is data.push.apply(data, scriptableStream.read(input.available())), i.e. a mess
# [23:11] <Waldo> Optimizer: CONSTANT VIGILANCE
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# [23:12] <Optimizer> Waldo: so concat is heavy ?
# [23:12] <@ehsan> Waldo: that is quite tricky!
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# [23:12] <Waldo> Optimizer: concat is really a stupid method that usually shouldn't be used
# [23:12] <Optimizer> why not change its implementation then ?
# [23:12] <Waldo> ehsan: yeah, one dumbness in the JS Array interface
# [23:12] <aja> heycam: http://jsfiddle.net/AByS7/
# [23:13] <Optimizer> it feels more stupid to keep preventing ourselves from using a method dedicated for the purpose
# [23:13] <Waldo> Optimizer: because concat is specified to copy this and all the arguments (splatting any that are arrays) into a new array to be returned
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# [23:14] <Waldo> Optimizer: I think these days es6 lets you also do data.push(...scriptableStream.read(input.available())), fwiw
# [23:14] <heycam> aja, I'll just rebuild a local build with the syntax change patch
# [23:14] <Waldo> Optimizer: although I don't really know how optimized that is to avoid writing out a bunch of stuff to the stack, redundantly
# [23:14] <Optimizer> Waldo: that can be checked
# [23:14] <Optimizer> ... vs .apply
# [23:14] * Waldo argued on es-discuss for a .pushAll method that would take an array, once, but people there said no dice
# [23:15] <Waldo> which I think was stupid, but whatever
# [23:15] <Waldo> I'm not sure either optimizes this at all now
# [23:15] <Waldo> wherefore .pushAll
# [23:15] <aja> heycam: haven't tried with "initial" or "inherit" values of a var yet
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# [23:15] <Waldo> really arbitrarily variadic functions are an anti-pattern
# [23:16] <Waldo> not sure why tc39 thinks they're any good
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# [23:16] <heycam> aja, initial/inherit can't be used as a custom property value. they're interpreted as resetting the variable to invalid, or inheriting the custom property.
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# [23:17] <aja> heycam: i guess biggest question i have is whether or not fallback is to be used for invalid-at-compute-time values
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# [23:17] <heycam> aja, the answer is no
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# [23:18] <aja> heycam: in that case, no issues
# [23:18] <heycam> :)
# [23:18] <Optimizer> Waldo: wow http://jsperf.com/vs-apply
# [23:18] <aja> heycam: seems kinda silly though
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# [23:19] <aja> heycam: maybe there just needs to be more explicit examples/text in spec...seemed vague on that question
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# [23:19] <karl> jorendorff: if there is a default case that should never be hit, then hitting it is bad, though maybe just in a safe-ish uninitialized variable way; i'd like to avoid encouraging this kind of code pattern, if things are not crash-bad
# [23:19] <Optimizer> Waldo: wtf http://jsperf.com/vs-apply
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# [23:20] <jorendorff> karl: encouraging what?
# [23:20] <karl> jorendorff: often enough there is some other code path that would work just as well; if we don't have -Wswitch -Werror for some reason, then often default could be used for some reasonable default, and an non-fatal assert could be added for the expected cases
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# [23:20] <heycam> aja, one problem with trying fallback if the resulting substituted value is invalid at computed time is that you can have a combinatorial explosion of possible values to check
# [23:20] <heycam> if you have multiple variable references in the one value
# [23:20] <karl> jorendorff: what i don't want to encourage is MOZ_CRASH
# [23:21] <jorendorff> karl: look -- we *must* have a macro that means "this is bad, crash hard now"; that's the original intent of all these existing places in the codebase
# [23:21] <karl> jorendorff: and that can be avoided by rearranging the switch statement, so that there is a default
# [23:21] <NeilAway> dholbert: looks like ehsan tried to remove that variable before but he included it with some others that weren't quite as unused as he thought and had to back out his change :s
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# [23:21] <jorendorff> we have changed them all to mean "undefined behavior, wheee!" and we should just change those back
# [23:21] <heycam> you could define an order to try those, but can quickly become hard to understand what's going on
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# [23:21] <karl> jorendorff: we can have a crash-if-fail assert, but i'd like to avoid encouraging that when the failure is not crash-bad
# [23:22] <dholbert> NeilAway, heh
# [23:22] <karl> jorendorff: yes, we should change them back
# [23:22] <heycam> aja, so I think the current behaviour on your tests there are correct
# [23:22] <dholbert> NeilAway, (I assume you're talking about cpeterson's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=989199 )
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# [23:23] <jorendorff> karl: yeah -- i don't think we really disagree much -- the best style, we can discuss.
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# [23:23] <jorendorff> karl: otoh having accidentally changed safety properties of existing code, we can back out and then refactor with code reviews the places that are misusing
# [23:23] <cpeterson> dholbert: you seem quite enthusiastic about that bug :)
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# [23:24] <karl> jorendorff: yes, very sensible
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# [23:24] <dholbert> cpeterson, it's just an easy FAIL_ON_WARNINGS win, being newly-warning-free :)
# [23:24] <aja> heycam: cool....land that puppy! :)
# [23:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/62887431cb71 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [23:24] <dholbert> cpeterson, (and I want to encourage people to try adding FAIL_ON_WARNINGS annotations when they fix warnings)
# [23:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/e3f19adecdbd - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [23:24] <heycam> aja, I'll be revising the patch for dbaron's comments today
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# [23:25] <karl> jorendorff: i didn't mean to imply any changes to existing code; it's just that MOZ_CRASH has become the recommended behavior in many unnecessary situations and i want to change the future
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# [23:25] <NeilAway> dholbert: also, looks like biesi introduced the bug in 247607 - he removed all the uses but just moved the declaration :s
# [23:26] <NeilAway> dholbert: indeed
# [23:26] <biesi_> :(
# [23:26] <dholbert> NeilAway, r+ the annotation already!
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# [23:27] <biesi_> NeilAway: which declaration is that?
# [23:27] <RealRaven> Does anybody know how to make my Addon version compatible with Aurora? maxVer didn't help
# [23:27] <NeilAway> dholbert: seems reasonable, build is already linking xul.dll :-)
# [23:27] <dholbert> NeilAway, ah, ok :)
# [23:27] <dholbert> NeilAway, I thought perhaps you were doing some archeology to find out who-knows-what before deciding on whether it's a good idea
# [23:28] <jez> http://pastebin.com/ePdiKTye
# [23:28] <jez> ^ Should that 'zinglocaleToolbarEntrySelectLocale' menu appear after the 'devToolsSeparator' menu item in SeaMonkey's tools menu? I can't see anything wrong with it, but it isn't appearing in the right place.
# [23:28] <Waldo> biesi_! long time no see
# [23:28] <NeilAway> biesi_: FORMAT_HTML
# [23:28] <aja> heycam: possible followup issue...it's tough figuring out what failures occur, when nothing shows up in console
# [23:29] <biesi_> hmm, indeed
# [23:29] <NeilAway> biesi_: of course darin must take some of the blame as accessory to your crime ;-)
# [23:29] <biesi_> hi Waldo :)
# [23:29] <biesi_> wow, 8.5 years ago
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# [23:29] <biesi_> (for that pathc)
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# [23:32] <heycam> aja, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952338 is for error messages not being reported after resolving variables
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# [23:32] <Waldo> Optimizer: hmm? (sorry for tardy reply, don't have volume up to hear pings)
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# [23:32] <Optimizer> Waldo: see concat
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# [23:33] <Optimizer> and yes .apply is fastest
# [23:33] <@gavin> hi biesi_
# [23:33] <biesi_> hey gavin
# [23:34] <@gavin> what are you up to these days
# [23:34] <@gavin> google in new york?
# [23:34] <biesi_> yep, working on blink
# [23:34] <@gavin> cool
# [23:34] <aja> heycam: oh yeah....forgot about that one
# [23:34] <Waldo> Optimizer: so loading http://jsperf.com/vs-apply I get "No data available" rather than any sort of graph
# [23:34] <Waldo> Optimizer: not sure whose fault that is
# [23:34] <Optimizer> Waldo: you can just run it
# [23:35] <Optimizer> you know
# [23:35] <Optimizer> data building takes time
# [23:35] <Optimizer> i created that one right now
# [23:35] <Optimizer> no other browser has ... :P
# [23:35] <biesi_> it feels like mozilla has grown quite a bit
# [23:35] <Ms2ger> biesi_, come back? ;)
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# [23:36] <biesi_> Ms2ger: I'm happy here :)
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# [23:37] <Ms2ger> biesi_, I'm just going to interpret that as here == irc.mozilla.org :)
# [23:37] <biesi_> heh, that too :)
# [23:38] <biesi_> I'm not really paying much attention to irc these days
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# [23:39] <idwer> ttaubert: with f8fe45a1f17a or 4a4cef561232?
# [23:39] <Waldo> Optimizer: yeah, I kept getting slow-script dialogs in the concat part, which is...maybe more impact than I expected? but I haven't really taken the time to understand exactly what jsperf means in its results, except their reputation is poor around here
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# [23:40] <Optimizer> Waldo: i can , run the same thing in local script
# [23:40] <@dolske> biesi_: I just happened to check yesterday, I'm 33rd most-tenured of 951 current employees.
# [23:40] <Optimizer> i bet result will be same
# [23:40] <Optimizer> i have done it in past
# [23:40] <biesi_> dolske: whoa, that's a lot
# [23:40] <Optimizer> results matches almost
# [23:40] <biesi_> dolske: wonder how the total compares to chrome :)
# [23:41] <mcsmurf> biesi_: you switched companies again? heh :)
# [23:41] <mcsmurf> always keeping busy ;)
# [23:41] <biesi_> mcsmurf: oh that happened a little while ago
# [23:41] <mcsmurf> ah ok
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# [23:41] <biesi_> came back to google in dec 2012
# [23:41] <jorendorff> karl: thanks
# [23:41] <@dolske> biesi_: we'd be a rounding error :)
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# [23:41] <Ms2ger> biesi_, oh, you were at not-google at some point?
# [23:41] * Ms2ger missed that
# [23:42] <biesi_> Ms2ger: at facebook for ~a year
# [23:42] <karl> jorendorff: yeah, sorry, i got distracted by switches, which wasn't helpful
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# [23:42] <jorendorff> sigh, switches
# [23:42] <Ms2ger> Oh right
# [23:42] <Waldo> dolske: hmm, that site seems to have number-doubled since yesterday -- we do not have 1966 employees
# [23:42] <biesi_> then google sf in dec 2012, and google NYC in july last year
# [23:42] <idwer> ttaubert: http://dpaste.com/1767907/
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# [23:44] <jez> http://pastebin.com/ePdiKTye
# [23:44] <jez> ^ Should that 'zinglocaleToolbarEntrySelectLocale' menu appear after the 'devToolsSeparator' menu item in SeaMonkey's tools menu? I can't see anything wrong with it, but it isn't appearing in the right place.
# [23:45] <mcsmurf> jez: where does it show up instead?
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# [23:46] <jez> mcsmurf: in the tools menu, just below "clear private data"
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# [23:55] <mcsmurf> jez: not really sure, but "Clear private data..." and the entries before it come from navigatorOverlay.xul
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# [23:56] <jez> hmm
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# [23:56] <jez> good question
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# [23:57] <jez> overlay chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul chrome://zinglocale/content/toolbtnSelectLocale.xul
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# [23:57] <cpearce> "B2G ICS Emulator Opt" on m-i looks broken
# [23:57] <mcsmurf> looks ok I guess
# [23:58] <@dbaron> RyanVM|afk, b2g red on merge
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# [23:58] <@dbaron> cpearce, agreed, looks like merge bustage
# [23:59] <@dbaron> er, wait, it's on m-c too
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# [23:59] <@dbaron> which is what I'm looking at
# [23:59] <@dbaron> might still be merge bustage
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