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# Session Start: Fri Apr 04 00:00:00 2014
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# [00:00] <@gavin> tanvi: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939583, there were also some good dev.platform posts about them
# [00:00] <Mossop> Yoric: I imagine the offender will just be backed out
# [00:00] <geekboy> tanvi: they are made of unicorns and rainbows
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# [00:00] <tanvi> thanks gavin
# [00:01] <jesup> tanvi: gps++
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# [00:03] <@smaug> ted: ping
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# [00:05] <philor> Mossop: maybe, but it'll be a cruel backout if so, since the offender is almost certainly "someone who added unrelated tests which pushed other tests into a different chunk"
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# [00:05] <Mossop> funtimes
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# [00:05] <philor> I really really dislike chunked browser-chrome
# [00:06] <@gavin> why
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# [00:06] <Ms2ger> gavin, because adding or removing tests moves the other tests around
# [00:06] <philor> after someone randomizes order and fixes or disables the tests which have dependencies on other tests? awesome, chunk it!
# [00:06] <Ms2ger> gavin, and they all depend on one another
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# [00:07] <philor> if instead of the current scheme, we did chunk-by-dir? great, chunk it!
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# [00:08] <Mossop> I wonder if things we'd be able to spot the offenders by opening a new browser window for each test
# [00:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5fb973d5e276 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 514280 Only use nsCOMPtr for interfaces r=bsmedberg
# [00:09] <philor> but since the "bustage" is almost certainly because victorporof added bc2 tests which pushed tests which were in bc2 back into bc1, and "caused" a leak? not so great
# [00:09] <Yoric> Well, it has been a rough day.
# [00:09] <Yoric> s/day/15 days/
# [00:09] <Yoric> night everyone
# [00:09] <mccr8> just ban adding new tests, problem solved.
# [00:10] <philor> shhh, if you say my dream aloud, it won't come true
# [00:11] <@gavin> I thought chunking only worked with chunk-by-dir
# [00:11] <@gavin> why aren't we doing that?
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# [00:13] <myk> js/src/frontend/Parser.cpp:1270: error: undefined reference to 'JSFunction::ExtendedFinalizeKind' etc.; anyone know anything about that?
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# [00:17] <jgraham> philor: It seems like the right reaction is to hate the bc tests, not hate the desire to improve test performance / developer productivity
# [00:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/b1b18a46eda2 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 312c314e230b (bug 991175) for pushing tests around, causing chunked browser-chrome bustage on a CLOSED TREE
# [00:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/fc4b6e71a8e7 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset a17657a71b01 (bug 991376) for pushing tests around, causing chunked browser-chrome bustage on a CLOSED TREE
# [00:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/a192ea8b6fce - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset d53cc3ad38ec (bug 991392) for pushing tests around, causing chunked browser-chrome bustage on a CLOSED TREE
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# [00:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/3d114d273f9e - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [00:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/d8a55e391408 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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# [00:43] <philor> jgraham: not to worry, I hate b-c tests more than I hate most tests, which is saying a lot
# [00:43] <philor> but despite the desire of chunking to improve productivity, the actual effect is that fx-team has been closed all day
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# [00:45] <philor> with the end result being that we backed out a completely and utterly innocent set of patches
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# [00:46] <philor> so while I'm not actually stupid, and I do understand the difference between the concept of chunking tests and the actual current implementation with the actual current tests, I fucking hate the stupid premature horrid awful current chunking
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# [00:46] <philor> that's just gross
# [00:46] <philor> we backed out an innocent and correct patch, because we want to throw away some slaves and run tests on much less capable slaves
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# [00:49] <@gavin> philor: where is the browser-chrome chunking?
# [00:50] <@gavin> and why doesn't https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819963 have an update
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# [00:51] <NeilAway> surkov: where's the copy?
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# [00:52] <philor> gavin: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/browser-harness.xul#202 would be my guess
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# [00:52] <@gavin> browser-chrome supports chunkByDir
# [00:52] <@gavin> I want to know why it's not used
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# [00:52] <philor> I don't think we use it much at all anymore
# [00:53] <@gavin> I don't know who I should be asking because I can't find a bug about this, 819963 apparently isn't it
# [00:53] <sfink> are nightlies in the symbol server?
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# [00:53] <philor> we've had several years of shouting about "every test chunk should be exactly 30 minutes long" without any developers objecting to the way that they absolutely cannot run just the tests they need to run, since they run in a different test chunk on every OS
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# [00:54] <@gavin> I NEED YOU TO TELL ME WHO I CAN YELL AT
# [00:54] <philor> jmaher is who you should be asking
# [00:54] <@gavin> thanks
# [00:55] * philor finally opens 819963, sees that it's the proof of his 30 minute pudding
# [00:55] <nthomas> sfink: yes, for 30 days or summink
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# [00:55] <sfink> nthomas: hm. I'm not getting symbols for a nightly from a day or two ago.
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# [00:56] <nthomas> sfink: can you point me to the build log for that ?
# [00:56] <nthomas> or enough identifying details
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# [00:56] <sfink> er, wait. I backed up one nightly, but didn't add the symbol server again.
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# [00:56] <sfink> So let me verify that it still doesn't work first.
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# [00:58] <sfink> ok, still no luck
# [00:59] <sfink> nthomas: tihs is for https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8891f0ad-bd9e-4581-a561-b7c9b2140402
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# [00:59] <sfink> using https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/rawdumps/8891f0ad-bd9e-4581-a561-b7c9b2140402.dmp
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# [01:00] <nthomas> if socorro resolved the symbols, that indicates something on your side
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# [01:00] <nthomas> but I'll double check if they're still in the symbol store
# [01:01] <sfink> all I know how to do is put in http://symbols.mozilla.org/firefox into VS and say go
# [01:02] <sfink> ooh, there's log output
# [01:02] <philor> gavin: the current action is in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=982225 despite the summary, because I pushed the change not realizing that it was going to be a multipurpose multistep everything bug
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# [01:03] <nthomas> sfink: so the build log is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=36935888&tree=Mozilla-Central&full=1, and http://symbols.mozilla.org/firefox/mozjs.pdb/1F531AA497504AD6A5AD48C45D09AD7F2/mozjs.sym loads for me
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# [01:05] <sfink> nthomas: do you know how to see what hash it's looking for from within VS?
# [01:05] <nthomas> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Using_the_Mozilla_symbol_server is all I know
# [01:05] <nthomas> and 302 ted :-)
# [01:06] <sfink> it seems to be trying to load the symbols for my local install of (some ancient) Nightly instead of the one for the minidump
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# [01:14] <billm> philor: ping
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# [01:15] <philor> billm: pong
# [01:16] <billm> philor: hey, I was reading https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sheriffing/Job_Visibility_Policy#3.29_Runs_on_mozilla-central_and_all_trees_that_merge_into_it and I was wondering what trees it applies to
# [01:16] <billm> philor: I assume ionmonkey is no longer relevant. what about services-central?
# [01:16] <billm> philor: right now I'm looking at m-c, m-i, try, fx-team, and b2g-inbound
# [01:17] <philor> billm: it depends, are you trying to please developers, sheriffs, or releng?
# [01:18] <billm> philor: whoever is responsible for unhiding my jobs I guess
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# [01:18] <billm> philor: and you of course
# [01:18] <philor> the former two want you to have filed "on all trunk trees and then riding the trains with 31", the latter wants you to do as few as possible and screw people who think their twig was actually useful
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# [01:19] <billm> philor: what does "trunk trees" mean? like, everything that's occasionally synced with central? that seems like a lot.
# [01:20] <philor> billm: yeah, it means "everything which isn't one of the release branches, or a twig where someone has specifically asked to run less"
# [01:21] <sfink> it's not so bad, the weirder trees where it won't actually be useful also don't tend to have many pushes
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# [01:21] <billm> I'm just not sure how to code this up
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# [01:22] <sfink> I carved out my own mechanism for this, because I like to be Special. It's called "spidermonkey_tier_1", as seen in buildbot-configs/mozilla/config.py and project_branches.py.
# [01:23] <sfink> there's a separate "spidermonkey_info" for when I want to taunt philor
# [01:24] <sfink> billm: how is your build defined?
# [01:24] <sfink> is it in the current config?
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# [01:24] <billm> sfink: well, it's a test, so it's in mozilla-test/config.py
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# [01:25] <tbsaunde> I though the platform object in config.py had some sort of gecko version thing? its been a long time since I looked
# [01:25] <sfink> can't be that long; I added that relatively recently :)
# [01:25] <billm> sfink: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/buildbot-configs/file/575ccb9b4185/mozilla-tests/config.py#l2402
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# [01:26] <Mossop> KWierso|sheriffduty: According to try my patch fixes the bc1 leak that victorporof introduced, but now you backed him out I wonder what my chances are of re-introducing it
# [01:27] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Mossop: somewhere in the range of 0% - 100%
# [01:27] <victorporof> it will eventually happen
# [01:27] <victorporof> let's just land things without tests now
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# [01:29] <billm> sfink: ok, I'll look into that. thanks.
# [01:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Mossop: I'm hoping to be able to reopen the trees once the backout finishes running tests
# [01:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> feel free to reland victorporof's patches and your patch and see what happens :)
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# [01:30] <Mossop> I'm hoping I'll be offline again so I'm just repushing everything to try and seeing what it does overnight
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# [01:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> sorry about this
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# [01:31] <victorporof> haha
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# [01:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/3e0138968c61 - Reuben Morais - Bug 949537 - Some cleanup of the substring matching tests. r=gwagner
# [01:53] <@ted> sfink: VS will probably look for matching binaries, it might get confused if it finds some other binaries in the right paths
# [01:54] <@ted> sfink: you should download the matching binaries, FWIW
# [01:54] <sfink> oh, hm, I'll try that
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# [01:54] <sfink> I renamed my Nightly to get it out of the way
# [01:54] <sfink> I have windbg chewing on it right now
# [01:54] <sfink> lots of "Unable to verify timestamp" errors
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# [02:02] <sfink> ted: aha! Yes, installing the matching version looks like it fixed it.
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# [02:03] <sfink> that seems kind of awkward -- you have to install the browser in order to debug minidumps?
# [02:03] <sfink> oh well
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# [02:04] <@ted> the symbol server can provide binaries
# [02:04] <@ted> i even have a patch
# [02:04] <@ted> but our symbol server disk space usage is already a problem
# [02:04] <@ted> sfink: you can get a stack out without the binaries
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# [02:04] <@ted> but it's iffy with microsoft's tools
# [02:04] <sfink> I already had the stack from socorro
# [02:05] <sfink> the crash was a null deref on a source line with several derefs
# [02:05] <@ted> they do use them for better unwinding sometimes, i think they look back for source refs
# [02:05] <@ted> ah
# [02:05] <sfink> I was looking at the asm to try to figure out what it was, but I couldn't connect them
# [02:05] <billm> sfink: I usually would just download a zip and unzip it
# [02:05] <sfink> too much optimized away or something
# [02:05] <sfink> having the symbols should help
# [02:05] <@ted> pulling it up in a debugger is always going to give the best experience
# [02:05] <sfink> billm: the zip of the browser?
# [02:06] <billm> sfink: yeah, you can download zip files from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/
# [02:06] <billm> sfink: unless I misunderstood what you'
# [02:06] <@ted> sfink: you can find the exact instruction pointer from the dump, we just don't expose that in socorro
# [02:06] <billm> re doing
# [02:06] <sfink> ok. I grabbed the installer from there
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# [02:06] <@ted> i'd like to get that fixed, actually
# [02:06] <sfink> ted: right, I had the IP, because I *was* able to show the asm in the debugger without symbols
# [02:06] <@ted> ah
# [02:07] <sfink> I just couldn't figure out how that asm matched the source :)
# [02:07] <@ted> aha
# [02:07] <@ted> yeah, that's tricky for our nightlies
# [02:07] <@ted> +releases
# [02:07] <@ted> the PGO...
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# [02:10] <sfink> ooh, the source server works too
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# [02:18] <xkhorasan> smaug: Really thanks for reviewing my patch in bug 859095. Is there any chances to push the patch to try server?
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# [02:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/077f11315687 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 1 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
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# [02:40] <@smaug> xkhorasan: let me see..
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# [02:44] <jcranmer> wow
# [02:45] <jcranmer> I started writing a script to plot growth of m-c repository size
# [02:45] <jcranmer> I never expected to have to modify it to handle no changesets in a day
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# [02:46] <jcranmer> KWierso|sheriffduty: nope, 2008-06-01
# [02:47] <@smaug> jcranmer: doesn't that happen quite often
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# [02:48] <jcranmer> not these days
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# [02:48] <@smaug> exactly these days when m-i is being used
# [02:48] <Jesse> commit times or push times?
# [02:48] <jcranmer> commit times
# [02:49] <jcranmer> I think some of my data may predate the pushlog
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# [03:15] <steve> this : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26868536
# [03:15] <steve> well done.
# [03:15] <steve> everyone welcome. fully inclusive. that's why your code base is 1GB and slow.
# [03:15] <steve> get hardcore or go extinct.
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# [03:16] <steve> give the man his job back. fire him if he fails to deliver, not if he dares to hold an opinion that differs from yours. fascists.
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# [03:18] <froydnj> fwiw, he wasn't fired, he resigned
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# [03:18] <steve> ofc he resigned. he did the honourable thing. he sounds like a good man.
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# [03:18] <steve> if you lot have any balls, you'll invite him back. politics should be kept out of work. mozilla is a tech organisation.
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# [03:19] <Waldo> steve: you would probably be surprised how many people would rather he were still here, actually, and that there had been no public foofaraw over it
# [03:19] <steve> we all have different political views. that's cool. told you the g@y lobby would get their way.
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# [03:19] <Waldo> steve: and you should be aware that people publicly expressing similar views in the past are still at Mozilla, still doing good work
# [03:20] <steve> they do this. ohhhh we're so hard done by. you horrible conservatives don't like us. sob sob.
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# [03:20] <Waldo> steve: if you're willing to have an actual conversation, we can probably talk about this; if you're going to insist on throwing out insults, when I guarantee you don't understand the situation in full, people here will probably request you leave
# [03:20] <glandium> can someone kickban steve? he's been warned in the past
# [03:20] <steve> I don't know brendan at all so perhaps he's not hardcore enough for the job. if you can't handle a little pressure, maybe not the man for the job.
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# [03:21] <@dolske> steve: this is offtopic for #developers. Take it elsewhere.
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# [03:21] <steve> yeah kick me whenever you please. my views differ from yours.
# [03:21] <steve> it is off topic who your ceo is ? I don't think so.
# [03:21] <glandium> steve: it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of tone and words
# [03:21] <Waldo> I'm sure there's some vague social channel around for discussion like this, but I don't know it offhand
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# [03:21] <@dolske> for #developers, yes.
# [03:21] <@smaug> This channel is about development of Gecko
# [03:21] <Waldo> steve: also this is a developer channel for discussing developer issues -- code, patches, etc.
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# [03:22] <Waldo> so it goes
# [03:22] <glandium> smaug: thanks
# [03:22] <@dolske> beat me to it. :) in my defense, I was banning someone else in #firefox. :)
# [03:22] <Waldo> yeah, thanks :-\
# [03:22] <glandium> he was here yesterday too
# [03:23] <Waldo> kind of glad I missed it
# [03:23] <glandium> with the same s/a/@/ thing
# [03:23] <Waldo> kind of sad he wasn't listening at all
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# [03:23] <@dolske> can
# [03:23] <@dolske> err
# [03:24] <@dolske> can't we all just get back to code style discussions?!
# [03:24] <shu> what's the deal with putting else on a new line
# [03:24] <KWierso> I want more junk food in my break rooms
# [03:24] <Waldo> dolske bans people one person at a time, just like everybody else, but then he goes and makes humorously inappropriate comments as palate cleansers
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# [03:24] <glandium> KWierso: i want to expense my junk food ;)
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# [03:27] <@smaug> I want to expense the other whisky I'll take tomorrow after toasting one for brendan
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# [03:27] <RyanVM|afk> dolske: AND WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH MOCHITEST-BC?!?!?!
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# [03:29] <shu> RyanVM|afk: i actually have a question about bc
# [03:29] <RyanVM|afk> no, we can't kill it with fire
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# [03:29] <shu> RyanVM|afk: on a recent try run, Linux Debug has entries like |bc bc bc1 bc2 bc3|
# [03:30] <RyanVM> yes
# [03:30] <shu> RyanVM: i didn' do any retriggers
# [03:30] <shu> RyanVM: why are there so many?
# [03:30] <RyanVM> we're trying to split mochitest-bc into chunks
# [03:30] <RyanVM> on some platforms, it perma-leaks when we do
# [03:30] <RyanVM> so they'
# [03:30] <RyanVM> they're running side-by-side until greened up
# [03:30] <shu> RyanVM: ah
# [03:30] <RyanVM> helpwanted, btw ;)
# [03:31] <shu> RyanVM: that's my cue to leave!
# [03:31] <shu> RyanVM: would you look at the time..
# [03:31] <RyanVM> it usually is
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# [03:31] <Waldo> hmm, whisky
# [03:31] <RyanVM> shu: it's OK, we'll end up disabling our way to victory
# [03:31] <RyanVM> and then we'll get yelled at by the various teams who lose test coverage
# [03:31] <Waldo> methinks it's time to pour a Chivas Regal
# [03:32] <RyanVM> Waldo: nothing better than that around? ;)
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# [03:32] <Waldo> RyanVM: not within arm's reach, no ;-)
# [03:32] <RyanVM> (says the guy currently drinking boxed red wine)
# [03:32] <shu> there is no shame in cheap wine
# [03:32] <Waldo> well, maybe these vodka-infused cherries
# [03:32] <Waldo> but I'm not sure I'm in the mood for kirschwasser exactly right now
# [03:32] <RyanVM> Waldo: how's MTV2's beer selection compared to MTV1?
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# [03:33] <Waldo> RyanVM: too far a walk
# [03:33] <Waldo> RyanVM: we need an office fridge-to-desk delivery service
# [03:33] <RyanVM> YES
# [03:33] <RyanVM> especially if they deliver to PA
# [03:33] <jcranmer> Waldo: I believe we call those interns
# [03:33] <RyanVM> \m/
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# [03:33] <jcranmer> or, if you're in college, undergrads
# [03:34] <Waldo> jcranmer: mine is still trying to find living space after the April 1 announcement that we got nuthin' for 'em
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# [03:34] <jcranmer> wow
# [03:34] <tbsaunde> man, I really should have delivered a drink to someone while an intern just for this
# [03:34] <jcranmer> in 2008 we averaged ~100-200 changesets/month
# [03:34] <jcranmer> in 2014, we're averaging ~4000 changesets/month
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# [03:35] <Waldo> (fwiw, the April 1 thing was a joke, if it wasn't clear)
# [03:35] <froydnj> that might have something to do with the 10x increase in repo size
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# [03:36] <RyanVM> I can honestly say that my opinion of George Takei is diminished after all this too
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# [03:41] <jcranmer> hg pul /src/trunk/mozilla-central $(hg log -R /src/trunk/mozilla-central/ -r 'heads(outgoing("/tmp/blech")) and not tip' --template '-r {node} ')
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# [03:43] <glandium> jcranmer: in 2008, we had 30k files in the tree
# [03:44] <Callek> in 2004 I was able to read every changeset to mozilla/* (cvs, so included bugzilla/tinderbox) and most diffs in a single day, while going to college!
# [03:44] <glandium> we have 93k now
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# [03:45] <glandium> actually, in 2008, we had 24 files in the tree
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# [03:46] <jcranmer> sorry, I erred
# [03:46] <jcranmer> apparently, throwing in comm-central represents the size of mozilla central as it will be in *4 months*
# [03:47] <glandium> jcranmer: is m-c grow linear? (since you're looking)
# [03:47] <jcranmer> exponential
# [03:47] <jcranmer> R² is 0.9947 for an exponential growth rate
# [03:48] <jcranmer> although our growth since 2013-01-01 may be closer to linear than exponential
# [03:48] <glandium> jcranmer: that's mercurial clone size, right?
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# [03:48] <jcranmer> this is du -s of .hg
# [03:48] <glandium> ok
# [03:48] <jcranmer> I'll post the statistics somewhat more publicly
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# [03:49] <glandium> i wonder what the size of a checked out tree looks like
# [03:49] <glandium> its evolution, i mean
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# [03:49] <jcranmer> that's harder to do
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# [03:49] <jcranmer> but I saved the changesets of the revisions I used
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# [03:49] <jcranmer> so I don't have to iteratively say hg log -R $MC -r "descendants(0) and date('$year-$month-$day')" \ -l 1 --template '{node}'
# [03:50] <glandium> jcranmer: err... note date() is *very* broken
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# [03:50] <Callek> jcranmer: with some care, between me, you and some input from gps, we can easily create a graph of "m-c alone" ---> "all m-c, m-a, m-b, m-r" storage space and projected growth graphs on a month-by-month dataset
# [03:50] <jcranmer> glandium: in this case, it returns the first changeset that claims to be on that date
# [03:50] <jcranmer> so it should be a reasonably close approximation
# [03:50] <Callek> jcranmer: I say easily because the major work is (a) taking a pushlog date --> rev at said date --- (b) machine time for du -s
# [03:50] <glandium> jcranmer: which is usually off by days, weeks or even months
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# [03:51] <glandium> because that's the date the patch was written, not landed, in many cases
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# [03:52] <jcranmer> glandium: yes, but because I'm catching the earliest patch (in terms of lowest revision number) with that date
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# [03:52] <jcranmer> so if someone lands a patch that is within a few hours of correctness, it's a reasonably correct metric
# [03:52] <glandium> jcranmer: mmmm true
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# [03:59] <jcranmer> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZXu1-5ILH5r87cZ7G2DOVl00UWpXbsZHePSqPcN_KNw/edit?usp=sharing
# [03:59] <RyanVM> glandium: so, when's the "kill pymake" bug being filed? :D
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# [04:01] <glandium> RyanVM: the first reasonable thing to do imho is to kill mach support for pymake
# [04:02] <RyanVM> glandium: I'm going to remove the pymake workarounds from the libffi base patch now
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# [04:03] <glandium> jcranmer: interesting fact: while du -s .hg is 1693632, du -s --apparent-size .hg is ... 1258863
# [04:03] <glandium> 434M wasted on block paddings
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# [04:13] <RyanVM> nigelb: evening!
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# [04:16] <nigelb> RyanVM: hello! you're up late :)
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# [04:16] <RyanVM> nigelb: only 10pm :)
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# [04:18] <nigelb> RyanVM: that's bedtime for me :P
# [04:18] <RyanVM> I haven't even moved on to stiffer drinks yet :P
# [04:18] <nigelb> haha
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# [04:18] <nigelb> BUt then, I'm up at 0530.
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# [04:23] <nigelb> 30
# [04:23] <nigelb> (gah)
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# [04:24] <RyanVM> nigelb: I still have a hard time wrapping my head around you being a timezone that's 30min offset from others
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# [04:25] <glandium> the best timezones are those that are 5:30 away from you
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# [04:26] <glandium> because you just have to put your clock upside down
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# [04:29] <nigelb> glandium: wait, really?
# [04:29] <glandium> nigelb: yup
# [04:29] <nigelb> RyanVM: to be fair, I have a hard time as well.
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# [04:43] <jcranmer> okay, so how many newsgroup posts have I written today?
# [04:43] <jesup> glandium: and webrtc only added just over 5K files to the tree - I need to add some more!
# [04:43] <jcranmer> and webrtc loves bloody long pathname lengths
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# [04:44] <jesup> what/could/you/possibly/mean/by/that? ;-)
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# [04:45] <jcranmer> media/webrtc/trunk/webrtc/modules/remote_bitrate_estimator/remote_bitrate_estimator_components_rbe_components/Unified_cpp_nents_rbe_components0.cpp
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# [04:47] <jesup> Hey, don't blame webrtc for unified builds!
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# [04:47] <jesup> Though it does seem to like long object dirnames for some reason
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# [04:48] <jcranmer> indeed, the only .o files which are 100 characters or longer in terms of relative pathname from topobjdir are in webrtc
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# [04:50] <jesup> the long dirname there is due to gyp having a dir with an appended 'target' as part of the dirname, so you could build separate targets from the same source dir and not have them collide
# [04:50] <jesup> or I think that's it
# [04:51] <jcranmer> it's still bloody annoying
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# [04:51] <jcranmer> if the total path is more than 260 characters, the linker on Windows refuses to work
# [04:53] <jesup> jcranmer: which, BTW, is totally silly in 2014
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# [04:54] <jesup> That's basically the limits we had back in the Amiga vs PC-DOS vs Mac 1.0ish days, with 512K of ram to play with, and floppy drives
# [04:54] <davidb> right, it should fail at 140 characters
# [04:54] <jesup> hey - 8 chars max per level, right? ;-)
# [04:54] <davidb> :)
# [04:55] <philor> RyanVM: do you remember what it was that finally greened up bc1 on trunk?
# [04:55] <RyanVM> philor: i'm going to go with "pure happenstance" because mochitest-bc
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# [04:55] <philor> heh
# [04:55] <RyanVM> (no, I don't remember offhand)
# [04:56] <jesup> RyanVM: just r+'d the patch to kill the #2 orange
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# [04:56] <froydnj> jesup++
# [04:56] <RyanVM> jesup: I always get this pit in my stomach when I see words along the lines of "increase timeout" in the patch description :(
# [04:56] <jesup> b2g-emulator was taking up to 20s to do StartPlaying()
# [04:57] <philor> oh, I see, it landed on aurora, that's why it turned green, not magic
# [04:57] <jesup> RyanVM: more like "why was there a timeout to start" is the question in a tbpl test!
# [04:57] <RyanVM> jesup: why do we need to use timeouts vs. listening for an event?
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# [04:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/aab1ee812cb4 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [04:58] <jesup> They're there to catch the failure to get an event without forcing it to wait 5 minutes (and to get us better debugs as to what it didn't get. Or so it appears
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# [04:59] <jesup> Though 20s to StartPlaying() is pretty insane
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# [04:59] <RyanVM> jesup: sounds like a bug to me
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# [04:59] <davidb> RyanVM: in case the event never comes
# [04:59] <RyanVM> (would be nice to confirm what's going on, even if the answer is "emulator sucks")
# [04:59] <RyanVM> davidb: sounds like a bug to me
# [05:00] <RyanVM> davidb: and how to timeouts solve that problem?
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# [05:00] <davidb> they don't
# [05:00] <RyanVM> if the event never fires, presumably what you're waiting for never happened either
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# [05:02] <philor> mmm, lookin' good now, fx-team, passing b-c as much as half the time!
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# [05:03] <RyanVM> philor: as I told KWierso earlier, fx-team can remain closed indefinitely for all I care
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# [05:03] <philor> and we only had to throw away one utterly correct and completely blameless patch to get there
# [05:03] <RyanVM> "sleeping in the beds they made"
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# [05:03] <philor> RyanVM: sounds good, we can move their landings over to m-i, and the busted-ass idea of not chunking by dir can bite there instead
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# [05:04] <RyanVM> you know, maybe if people with a vested interest in that suite running green actually, you know, spent time fixing the bugs *on file* for getting it there, we wouldn't be having this problem
# [05:04] <RyanVM> I really have a hard time feeling pity for people whose patches bounce when it's their cumulative neglect that got us to where we are at this point
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# [05:05] <RyanVM> philor: speaking of which, can we kill UITour3 already?
# [05:05] <RyanVM> it's obviously not getting fixed any time soon
# [05:05] <philor> yeah, here, I'll get it
# [05:05] <philor> which tree is open?
# [05:05] <RyanVM> :)
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# [05:06] <RyanVM> bonus points for killing browser_UITour.js while you're at it
# [05:06] * RyanVM is sick of starring bug 951965 too
# [05:06] <RyanVM> jesup: but in general, the answer seems to be "the emulator is god-awful slow running media tests"
# [05:07] <RyanVM> jesup: as I look at orange factor and see a crap-ton of media tests int he top 10
# [05:07] <RyanVM> and know that most of those are b2g
# [05:08] <jesup> RyanVM: b2g-emulator, the circus of fun!
# [05:08] <RyanVM> jesup: feel free to scream at taras to pay for better AWS VMs too :D
# [05:08] <RyanVM> but IMO we should at least verify first that there's nothing we can be doing better on our end first
# [05:08] <jesup> I'm trying to debug why the mediastream-mixer patches of padenot's (for unified AEC in gUM) cause M10 to perma-orange.
# [05:08] <RyanVM> instead of just taking the simple "work around the problem" approach to fix these tests
# [05:09] <jesup> And it doesn't fail if run locally (one test, or the full M10 run)
# [05:09] <philor> score, the e10s annotations actually landed as hundreds of literally "skip-if = e10s # Bug ??????"
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# [05:09] <RyanVM> philor: lmao
# [05:09] <philor> so much nicer than the thousands where someone didn't even bother commenting, just accepted that nobody would ever look at it again
# [05:09] <jcranmer> eh, just change that to Bug 999999
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# [05:11] <jesup> RyanVM: current guess looking at the logs: it now takes so long to run that test it times out (not because it stopped, it just ran out of time). I see "TEST_PASS" and it tear down the peerconnection at time=497 or so; I wonder if the timeout is at 500s
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# [05:12] <jesup> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=8c981d13a945
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# [05:16] <fox2mike> w 32
# [05:16] <fox2mike> meh
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# [05:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7cd1a8c883cb - Nicolas Silva - Bug 990876 - Moz2dify TestTextures. r=mattwoodrow
# [05:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c85326be7e94 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 990876 - Remove TextureClientSurface. r=mattwoodrow
# [05:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3052e8a3c505 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 990933 - Moz2dify SimpleTiledContentClient. r=jrmuizel
# [05:17] <philor> only 32? why not w 64?
# [05:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6685770cf674 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 990871 - Move TextureClientDrawTarget into TextureClient. r=mattwoodrow
# [05:18] <jesup> The timing log at 13:27:20 in that orange is just frightening. Stuff that should take ms is taking 10's of seconds, even 80 or 100 or (in one case) 264 (though that probably normally takes seconds). On Linux x64 debug, the *entire test* takes 1 second
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# [05:21] <jesup> on M10 (without padenot's patch) the same test takes 45 seconds
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# [05:22] <jesup> With padenot's patch, it finishes in 353 seconds (and then times out).
# [05:23] <@bz> nsilva: ping
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# [05:23] <@bz> oh, he's not here
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# [05:23] <@bz> and tried to build
# [05:23] <@bz> and it doesn't, on mac
# [05:23] <@bz> in layers code
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# [05:24] <jesup> bz: clobber?
# [05:24] <@bz> 1:40.69 In file included from ../../../mozilla/gfx/layers/MacIOSurfaceImage.cpp:1:
# [05:24] <@bz> 1:40.69 ../../../mozilla/gfx/layers/MacIOSurfaceImage.cpp:17:11: error: allocating an object of abstract class type 'mozilla::layers::MacIOSurfaceTextureClientOGL'
# [05:24] <@bz> 1:40.69 new MacIOSurfaceTextureClientOGL(TEXTURE_FLAGS_DEFAULT);
# [05:24] * @bz is not sure whether a clobber will fix that....
# [05:24] <jesup> ah, the patches that just landed
# [05:24] <@bz> yes, those
# [05:24] <RyanVM> bz: we'll see what tbpl says ;)
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# [05:27] * jesup wishes "dumping last (n) messages" printed the original time, not when they were dumped
# [05:27] * jesup wishes logs from b2g-emulator were easier to collect and look at
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# [05:27] <@bz> RyanVM: It'll say "red"
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# [05:28] <RyanVM> win
# [05:28] <philor> and CLOSED
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# [05:28] <RyanVM> so, is it insanely early or insanely late for nical?
# [05:28] <philor> and speaking of things *I've* lost all patience with
# [05:29] <nigelb> RyanVM: I thought "red" was for fail and not win</bad joke>
# [05:30] <@bz> Yeah, https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6685770cf674 is just busted on mac
# [05:30] <@bz> doesn't implement GetFormat()
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# [05:30] <@bz> And here I was going to push.... :(
# [05:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c70ac0efe06 - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out 5 changesets (bug 991032, bug 990933, bug 990876, bug 990871) for build bustage
# [05:30] <@bz> yay
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# [05:31] <@bz> But made the mistake of building before pushing
# [05:31] <@bz> Shouldn't have done that!
# [05:31] <philor> yeah, I was just going to ask why you were building, when you have something to push
# [05:31] <RyanVM> bz: obviously!
# [05:31] <jcranmer> I make a bad sheriff
# [05:31] <jcranmer> I build before pushing
# [05:32] <jcranmer> I also push to try before pushing
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# [05:32] <Callek> you all are bad, I don't even qfinish my patches before pushing
# [05:32] <jcranmer> you're assuming I remembered to hg qref
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# [05:32] <Callek> also I do so under pseudonyms so sheriffs can't hunt me down
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# [05:33] <nigelb> now that you've admitted your crime, we know where to look.
# [05:33] <RyanVM> Callek: so *you're* Firefox Commit Bot!
# [05:33] <Callek> RyanVM: ffxbld
# [05:33] <Callek> RyanVM: I'm also seabld
# [05:33] <nigelb> RyanVM++
# [05:33] <RyanVM> B2G Bumper Bot
# [05:33] <@bz> Oh, red on not just mac
# [05:33] <@bz> ok, then
# [05:33] * @bz is so glad he works on cross-platform code...
# [05:33] <jcranmer> maybe I should write a bot that randomly r+'s patches
# [05:34] <RyanVM> we got the most bizarre email from the "Firefox Commit Bot" today
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# [05:34] <RyanVM> "For reasons they wish to keep private, my creators wish to remain anonymous for the time being. However, I recognize that I need to be held responsible for my actions and that there needs to be a process to control me and to get in touch with me."
# [05:35] <catlee-away> huh?
# [05:35] <catlee-away> what's the firefox commit bot?
# [05:35] <RyanVM> catlee-away: apparently you missed the bugspam today
# [05:35] <jcranmer> oh wow, I haven't opened my trash folder in a month
# [05:35] <RyanVM> catlee-away: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=990338#c10
# [05:36] <RyanVM> glob banned the account
# [05:36] <catlee-away> wow
# [05:36] <RyanVM> after which, we (the 4 full-time sheriffs and glob) got a long email
# [05:36] <glob> RyanVM, hey, we should talk about that email
# [05:36] <RyanVM> glob: yeah....
# [05:37] <Callek> RyanVM: glob: I'd be really curious as to the contents of that e-mail fwiw
# [05:37] <@bz> heh
# [05:37] <@bz> I'd thought this was a new thing we deployed
# [05:37] <@bz> So the thing is....
# [05:37] <jcranmer> 68 comments in 8 minutes
# [05:37] <RyanVM> I got suspicious when it was @gmail.com
# [05:37] <@bz> The info about which nightly it ended up in is actually useful
# [05:37] <@bz> I didn't look at the address
# [05:38] <@bz> The list of changesets is obviously not so useful
# [05:38] <@bz> And dunno about the download links and previous build info bits....
# [05:38] <glob> bz, yup, i think matching changesets with builds is an excellent idea
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# [05:38] <@bz> hey, it compiles
# [05:38] <glob> bz, but using bugzilla comments as a database, not so much
# [05:38] <@bz> shipit
# [05:38] <RyanVM> I'm really not sure why they feel they need to be anonymous
# [05:38] <RyanVM> seems rather non-open
# [05:38] <@bz> RyanVM: afraid of death threats like the rest of us. :(
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# [05:39] <RyanVM> and I don't see why the "sheriffs" need to be the ones saying "yes, this is useful"
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# [05:39] <RyanVM> our job is to keep the tree green, not to keep bugzilla spam-free
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# [05:39] <Callek> bz: I only know of one human who definitively got a death threat, can you share in pvt whom you are thinking of perhaps
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# [05:39] <glob> RyanVM, that's fine; as owner of BMO it's my job to say no
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# [05:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/501baeb3a034 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 985536. Go back to allowing optional any with no default value in WebIDL, but treat it as having a default value of undefined. r=khuey
# [05:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6572fc6d91ca - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 991753. Make sure we're in the right compartment before we try wrapping our Promise in Promise::GetOrCreateWrapper. r=bholley
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# [05:40] <jcranmer> I'm guessing something related to brendan?
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# [05:41] <Callek> glob: RyanVM bz: related to the usefulness/non-usefulness does author strip out backed out code? especially stuff that was backed out in a non "hg backout ..." way (e.g. backing out a group of commits)
# [05:41] <Callek> the only sane way to verify that imo would be a diff of changes, and taking blame on said lines that changed
# [05:41] <glob> with regards to linking changesets to builds, if someone had a site where you pass a changeset as part of the url parameter, i can totally augment the commit message comment with a link to that site
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# [05:51] <@dolske> fwiw, I don't think the build links were terribly useful. There's maybe a 1-2 day window where a handful of people might actually want to use those hourly builds, and then it's just noise.
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# [05:52] <Callek> dolske: s/hourly/nightly/
# [05:52] <RyanVM> glob: I would think it could hook in with pushlog and the .txt files alongside the builds pretty easily
# [05:53] <RyanVM> though I suppose that's probably how they're doing it to begin with
# [05:53] <jcranmer> it also makes very little sense when you consider bugs whose patches land in dribs and drabs
# [05:53] <jcranmer> or in bugs like "I changed the build system"
# [05:53] <@dolske> Callek: oh, so they are.
# [05:54] <@dolske> anyway, just a small critique. otherwise seems like a swell idea.
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# [06:19] <@bz> Looking into that orange
# [06:19] * @bz mutters about bitrot while waiting for review
# [06:20] * @njn wonders why his try run has |bc bc bc1 bc2 bc3| among the mochitests
# [06:20] <RyanVM> bz: at least this time of day, nobody's going to be pestering you about a backout anyway
# [06:20] <@njn> debug-only, apparently
# [06:20] <@bz> nah
# [06:20] <RyanVM> because we want want badly to get mochitest-bc running in chunks but can't get people to fix the shit that breaks when we do
# [06:20] <RyanVM> njn ^
# [06:20] <@bz> just hasn't gotten that far on others
# [06:20] <@bz> fix coming up
# [06:21] <RyanVM> njn: so we're stuck in this in-between state until we give up and disable our way to victory
# [06:21] <@njn> RyanVM: so is it running in chunks or not? I'm confused
# [06:21] <RyanVM> njn: on a related topic, mochitest-bc sucks the big one
# [06:21] <RyanVM> both
# [06:21] <@njn> RyanVM: e.g. why are there two |bc| runs?
# [06:21] <RyanVM> bc is the regular full run
# [06:21] <RyanVM> bcX are the same tests but in chunks
# [06:21] <RyanVM> running side-by-side
# [06:21] <@njn> RyanVM: sure, but I have two |bc| runs going
# [06:22] <RyanVM> that I don't know about unless one's on rev3 machines and one's on aws spot instances
# [06:22] <RyanVM> since that's also gotten conflated with all of this work
# [06:23] <RyanVM> ugh, why am I still awake at 12:30am?
# [06:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b44ac78a0298 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 985536 followup: mark argument that should be optional as optional. r=orange
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# [06:23] <RyanVM> njn: yeah, that's exactly what it is
# [06:23] <RyanVM> rev3 vs. spot
# [06:23] <@njn> RyanVM: finishing that whiskey, last I heard
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# [06:24] <@njn> RyanVM: brush your teeth with it
# [06:24] <RyanVM> I think we need an all-hands send off for /be
# [06:24] <RyanVM> booze makes good mouthwash according to some site I can't remember now
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# [06:25] <RyanVM> njn: but anyway, RelEng is tryign to get the rev3 machines in scl3 decommissioned as soon as possible
# [06:25] <jcranmer> so now if I visit Mountain View, I can't bump into /be anymore...
# [06:25] <RyanVM> mochitest-bc is one of a few jobs still running on them due to various asserts and such that we hit when run on aws
# [06:25] <@bz> Should it worry me if I requested tracking on a bug on March 19?
# [06:25] <@njn> RyanVM: I got told that mouthwash with alcohol is bad, because it dries your gums out. But that could be wrong
# [06:25] <@bz> And it's still '?' ?
# [06:25] <RyanVM> though for some reason, I thought that was fixed recently
# [06:25] <jaws> jld: your bz comment on 982347 is nothing but a quote of the previous comment
# [06:26] <RyanVM> njn: what about peat? :D
# [06:26] <@njn> RyanVM: oh yeah, peat's great
# [06:26] * RyanVM 's breath will have a nice smoky tinge to it
# [06:26] <@njn> stuff a big wodge in there
# [06:27] * @bz denies all involvement in jld's comment
# [06:29] <RyanVM> jaws: did you see my note to you the other day?
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# [06:29] <RyanVM> I got unsolicited positive comments about Australis :)
# [06:29] <jaws> RyanVM: about your mom?
# [06:29] <RyanVM> yeah
# [06:29] <jaws> yeah that was nice to hear
# [06:30] <RyanVM> I know it's n=1, but still
# [06:30] <jaws> i think a lot of people are going to love australis
# [06:30] <jaws> but it's still a data point
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# [06:30] <jaws> the thing to me is the depth of fixes that we have included here
# [06:30] <RyanVM> my wife liked the customization of the panel once I showed her how to use it
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# [06:31] <jaws> we've been able to pick up and fix cruft that has been present for many years. it's similar to replacing the whole roof of the house instead of just putting up a new layer of shingles
# [06:31] * jaws needs to use that analogy more often
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# [06:32] <RyanVM> heh
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# [06:32] <@dolske> <jaws> RyanVM: about your mom?
# [06:32] <@dolske> =.=
# [06:32] <jaws> yeah
# [06:33] <RyanVM> :)
# [06:33] <jaws> right after writing that, i was like....
# [06:33] <RyanVM> lol
# [06:33] <jaws> um, walked in to this one
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# [06:34] <jaws> 12:28 AM <RyanVM> jaws: did you see my note to you the other day?
# [06:34] <jaws> 12:28 AM <jaws> RyanVM: about your mom?
# [06:34] <jaws> 12:29 AM <RyanVM> yeah
# [06:34] <jaws> 12:29 AM <jaws> yeah that was nice to hear
# [06:34] <jaws> (context adjusted) lol
# [06:34] <RyanVM> lmao
# [06:34] <nigelb> is it qdb'd yet?
# [06:34] <jaws> all i did was remove the line about australis
# [06:34] <jaws> sorry RyanVM
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# [06:38] <@bz> do we have a bunch of broken Mac nightlies back in Jan? :(
# [06:39] <jcranmer> which version is Australis in?
# [06:39] <@bz> "*** ERROR addons.xpi: Failed to process extension changes at startup: Error: couldn't find function symbol in library (resource://gre/modules/osfile/osfile_unix_allthreads.jsm:68)
# [06:39] <@bz> "
# [06:39] <RyanVM> jcranmer: 29
# [06:39] <@bz> And shows a tiny browse r window, which doesn't load stuff
# [06:39] <jcranmer> RyanVM: so beta, presently?
# [06:39] <RyanVM> yes
# [06:40] <jcranmer> so expect to see the next barrage of "OMG IT SUCKS" in about 25 days?
# [06:40] <RyanVM> pretty much
# [06:40] <@bz> OMG, IT SUCKS!
# [06:40] <RyanVM> OMG CHANGE IS SCARY
# [06:40] <@bz> this broken nightly crap
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# [06:40] <jcranmer> ... unless we somehow manage to find a closet neo-Nazi for our next CEO?
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# [06:44] <@bz> oh
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# [06:44] <@bz> This was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960509
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# [06:47] <@bz> And the answer is: we did have broken nightlies for a few weeks
# [06:47] <@bz> yay
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# [06:50] <reuben> wat
# [06:50] <reuben> the three was burning for /weeks/?
# [06:50] <reuben> or was this magical fairy dust breakage that only shows up where people aren't looking
# [06:51] <reuben> tree* lol
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# [06:53] <reuben> or the real question, the tree _should_ have been burned for /weeks/?
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# [06:54] <@bz> reuben: no, but the nightly was broken
# [06:55] <@bz> reuben: in that starting it in 32-bit mode totally failed
# [06:55] <@bz> reuben: sadly we have no tests for that
# [06:55] <reuben> ah, 32-bit…
# [06:55] <@bz> reuben: on Mac
# [06:57] <@bz> anyway, is 2-3 week lag on tracking triage expected?
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# [07:09] <jld> jaws: that was jtd, not me.
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# [07:10] <jld> Although it's a refreshing change from being confused with jedp?
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# [07:10] <jaws> jld: oh oops, sry about that
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# [07:11] <jld> No problem.
# [07:11] <jaws> The amount of pixels that overlap with your two nicks is astonishing
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# [07:30] <efaust> are js shell builds failing to link for other people?
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# [07:44] <glandium> someone around on windows ?
# [07:44] <glandium> jaws: ^ maybe?
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# [07:51] <markh> glandium: aye
# [07:52] <glandium> markh: can you reproduce bug 991799 and they try reproducing it with http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/mh@glandium.org-912d1b329948/try-win32/firefox-31.0a1.en-US.win32.zip ?
# [07:52] <glandium> s/they/then/
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# [07:55] <markh> glandium: could repro on nightly, fixed by your try build :)
# [07:55] <glandium> markh: awesome, thanks
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# [07:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf2c03bddca6 - Mike Hommey - Bug 991976 - Only fail creating .mozconfig.mk once. r=mshal
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# [07:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/937b426e4651 - Mike Hommey - Bug 991769 - Cleanup gtest libxul when doing make clean or distclean. r=mshal
# [07:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a06c8ddc5a78 - Mike Hommey - Bug 982014 - Fix what sections are copied from injection object after bug 932737. r=nfroyd
# [07:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f31b2d41649 - Mike Hommey - Bug 991799 - Fixup Windows resource include file location after bug 988168. r=mshal
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# [08:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/386862bbda8d - Mike Hommey - Bug 991769 - Add missing parenthesis. r=me
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# [08:21] <qui> That is most unfortunate how things have developed re: Eich.
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# [08:22] <glandium> qui: this is not a channel to discuss this
# [08:22] <qui> where can I go?
# [08:22] <glandium> good question, i don't know where there is an irc channel for discussing those things
# [08:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> maybe #mozillians
# [08:23] <qui> I hope there is one because I am sick of people's freedoms getting trampled by activists.
# [08:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> its at least a community channel glandium - but yeah good question
# [08:25] <qui> Well, the subject is suited to a channel that covers issues like mozilla leadership, corporate culture, future direction, mission statement, etc.
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# [08:27] <qui> Tomcat: thanks for the suggestion but that channel is deader than dead.
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# [08:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> qui: well i guess most people in general are asleep
# [08:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> only europe and asia are awake
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# [08:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cb9585eb8a3a - Jeff Walden - Bug 985733 - Refactor element-setting code to not conflate typed array and dense element setting. r=sfink
# [08:30] <qui> True. I should sleep too. But the situation irks me. Terribly intolerant people as a rule piss me off.
# [08:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58ccbf57d72a - Jeff Walden - Bug 985733 - Make assignments into typed arrays use ToNumber-style semantics. r=sfink, r=jandem
# [08:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3fa4e0b93705 - Jeff Walden - Bug 985733 - Add a test for typed element-setting using ToNumber semantics. r=sfink
# [08:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f1d54b2d65e6 - Jeff Walden - Get rid of a bunch of redundant typedefs that just typedef'd an enum or struct to the same name -- useful in C, useless in C++. No bug, r=trivial
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# [08:30] <qui> Erich should be able to contribute to whatever he wants. and Mozilla shouldn't be so scared.
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# [08:31] <qui> good night good people. cheers.
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# [08:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64d43999139f - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 991998 (part 1) - Rename JSShortString as JSFatInlineString. r=luke.
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# [08:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> qui: well its quite understandable that people want to express their feelings but i guess #mozillians or so is really a better channel since this here is more about software development :)
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# [08:36] <qui> Tomcat: I understand. Sorry for my brief stroll off-topic
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# [08:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> qui: np :)
# [08:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also its a valid question where to go to here :)
# [08:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f964391ed13 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 991998 (part 2) - Limit JSFatInlineString's length to 11 on both 32-bit and 64-bit platforms. r=luke.
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# [10:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e401dfeab8b7 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 991572 - Stop creating a Thebes backed gfxContext in CanvasRenderingContext2D.cpp, and kill off nsICanvasRenderingContextInternal::GetThebesSurface (Moz2D
# [10:18] <firebot> migration). r=mattwoodrow
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# [10:29] <Ms2ger|sad> OH: "if superman wants to get drunk in a downtown bar, he has to leave his superpowers at the door."
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# [10:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: ping
# [10:58] <jwatt> gah
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# [10:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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# [11:02] <nigelb> haha
# [11:02] <nigelb> the deaded sheriff ping.
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# [11:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/bc6c34299b03 - Tim Nguyen - Bug 989449 - fix menu-button dropmarker corners to have border-radii on Windows 7, Vista and XP. r=mikedeboer, a=sylvestre.
# [11:03] <gcp> Ms2ger|sad: people are asking you to put in your CEO candidacy, I think: https://twitter.com/samfosteriam/status/451935733549264897
# [11:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3e69377c027a - Mike de Boer - Bug 991072: fix zoom percentage label to be centered in any toolbar. r=mconley, a=sylvestre.
# [11:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/250d63775815 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 946595 - High contrast themes on Windows 8 shouldn't be considered the default theme in CSS, r=jimm, a=sylvestre.
# [11:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cb7f81834560 - Tim Nguyen - Bug 980339 - Remove border-radius from add-on manager on Windows 8. r=mikedeboer, sr=Unfocused, a=sylvestre.
# [11:03] <nigelb> gcp++
# [11:04] <Ms2ger|sad> Dammit gcp, people weren't supposed to make the connection yet
# [11:04] <nigelb> gcp: see #ateam :D
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# [11:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd167d38965c - Jonathan Watt - Backout e401dfeab8b7 (bug 991572) for crashtest assertion. r=orange
# [11:05] <Ms2ger|sad> (It is true that I've been invited for an interview, though)
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# [11:05] <nigelb> Ms2ger|sad: As CEO?
# [11:05] <Ms2ger|sad> They claimed it was for an internship
# [11:05] <efaust> "but I knew better"
# [11:06] <gcp> bait, hook, ...
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# [11:06] <Archaeopteryx> all officers vanish and the cadet commands the bridge?
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# [11:07] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Ms2ger|sad: you miss understood, this was a for a intern CEO :)
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# [11:08] <Archaeopteryx> "miss understood"?
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# [11:08] <Ms2ger|sad> MsUnderstood?
# [11:08] <gcp> Someone asked me info about interns from Belgium, now you're making me wonder if it was really about you.
# [11:08] <Ms2ger|sad> Heh
# [11:08] <Ms2ger|sad> It probably was, yes
# [11:09] <nigelb> So, if Ms2ger|sad was CEO, would he be M2CEO?
# [11:09] <nigelb> *Ms2CEO
# [11:09] <padenot> there are other interns from belgium this year, iirc
# [11:09] <glandium> Ms4CEO
# [11:09] <nigelb> glandium: Ooooh.
# [11:09] <Ms2ger|sad> padenot, oh, really?
# [11:10] <Ms2ger|sad> Maybe Timvde
# [11:10] <padenot> I could be wrong
# [11:10] <padenot> or maybe it was a person that applied to google and mozilla and chose google
# [11:10] <Ms2ger|sad> That wouldn't be me
# [11:10] <padenot> heh
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# [11:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm jwatt is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=37264290&tree=Mozilla-Inbound the same failure as the assertions ?
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# [11:50] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: almost certainly
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# [11:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> will star the failures to the backout then
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# [12:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: we maybe need to backout the other patch too, also test failures now after the backout
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# [12:32] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: would you be able to do that for me? I'm just starting a meeting
# [12:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: yeah sure !
# [12:33] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: thanks, and sorry about that
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# [13:10] <@smaug> ted: pong
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# [13:11] <@ted> smaug: in that gamepad bug, what did you mean by "just post the changes from thread to another"
# [13:13] <@smaug> ted: runnables
# [13:13] <@smaug> but that other thread seems to be some odd windows thing
# [13:14] <@ted> it's just a background thread, it could be a normal thread
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# [13:14] <@smaug> ted: hmm, I thought it was some Windows thread
# [13:14] <@smaug> not nsIThread
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# [13:15] <@ted> i'm using CreateThread just because it was windows-only code and didn't matter
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# [13:16] <@ted> but i don't want to rewrite the world for this, i just want to get the smallest patch that fixes the issue so we can land it on beta
# [13:16] <@ted> i think i'll rewrite the world after this to use a different set of windows APIs
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# [13:17] <@smaug> ted: locks might be then easiest
# [13:17] <@smaug> for mGamepads array
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# [13:18] <@ted> yeah
# [13:18] <@ted> i'll do that, i think it shouldn't be an issue
# [13:18] <@smaug> hmm
# [13:18] <@smaug> what kinds of locks
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# [13:18] <@ted> then hopefully i can rewrite this all to not use threads
# [13:18] <@smaug> you use Windows threads and xpcom threads
# [13:18] <@ted> shouldn't matter, locks don't care
# [13:18] <@ted> xpcom threads are windows threads under the covers anyway
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# [13:18] <@smaug> sure
# [13:19] <@smaug> but I'm not familiar with the layers between xpcom and os level libraries here
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# [13:23] <bagder> isn't "./mach package" (on windows) a good idea to get a zip to allow me to install it on another machine for testing?
# [13:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57547c682f35 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset bae32cf47dec (bug 988882) since it seems this breaks debug-bc tests
# [13:24] <@ted> bagder: yes, that should work
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# [13:25] <bagder> cool, thanks. it hangs on my git checkout so I guess that means something is wrong =)
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# [13:26] <bagder> in my git checked out tree I should say
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# [13:27] <@ted> i don't think it should matter that you're using git
# [13:28] <@smaug> ted: lunch and such, but I'll review the patch asap it is in my queue
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# [13:28] <@ted> smaug: great, thanks, should have it up shortly
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# [13:41] * jesup should write a patch to just disable b2g-emulator tests en-masse
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# [13:48] <jesup> is this insane, or what? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4756101 Those are in seconds, on a b2g-emulator run, for a test that doesn't even cause a call to start (tests we get an error - testSetLocalInHaveRemoteOffer). 350-450 seconds to run this test, when it takes <1s on Linux debug
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# [13:54] * jesup has a suspicion why it was so slow in this case (10x slower after landing padenot's mixer patch
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# [13:54] <jesup> though 40+ seconds is still insane
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# [14:00] <jesup> ted: do you know how to get b2g's build.sh to show all the compiler options?
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# [14:02] <@ted> jesup: i do not, sorry
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# [14:03] <jesup> ted: :-(
# [14:04] <jesup> thanks
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# [14:36] <Yoric> Who's sherif?
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# [14:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Yoric: you mean sheriff ? :)
# [14:38] <Yoric> Ah, my bad.
# [14:38] <Yoric> Hi Tomcat|sheriffduty.
# [14:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey Yoric
# [14:39] <Yoric> My patch for bug 976205 is incorrect.
# [14:39] <Yoric> (shouldn't cause bugs, but won't fix the intended issue)
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# [14:39] <Yoric> Could you revert it?
# [14:39] <Yoric> s/revert/backout/
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# [14:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah sure
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# [14:42] <Yoric> Tomcat|sheriffduty: thanks
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# [14:46] <Optimize1> guys, I have broken the norms. generally intermittents are due to race conditions on slower machines. I have created new kind of race condition which happens only on windows opt and pgo builds :/
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# [14:47] <Ms2ger|sad> Sounds like a code bug
# [14:48] <jesup> Optimize1: Not the first time PGO has exposed a race condition, not at all
# [14:48] <Optimize1> Ms2ger|sad: obv it is
# [14:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Yoric: done
# [14:48] <Yoric> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Thanks.
# [14:48] <Optimize1> jesup: opt too ?
# [14:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2c25a7916e4d - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset 0f91a3f28a44 (bug 976205) per request - incorrect patch
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# [14:48] <Optimize1> generally i've seen that races are due to slowness of build
# [14:49] <jcranmer|away> hmm
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# [14:49] <jcranmer|away> Tomcat|sheriffduty: do you know when you expect the next m-i-to-m-c merge?
# [14:49] <jesup> Optimize1: sure
# [14:50] <Optimize1> jesup: (pushing my luck) okay, so only windows ?
# [14:50] <evilpie> air.mozilla doesn't actually work for me with Firefox ...
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# [14:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok
# [14:51] <mhaigh> I just pulled from the git repo and now can't build with this error http://piratepad.net/xhcDAFTl94��- can anyone else verify or help?
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# [14:54] <padenot> hrm, try to ask in #build
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# [14:55] <mhaigh> padenot - will do
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# [15:19] <firebot> release build, r=rnewman
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# [15:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62e5a22aeec5 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 991234 -- Squelch warning r=h4writer
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# [15:26] <bbouvier|sick> is there any sheriff that could help me explain the b2g simulators red in this try build: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=35c3a55b88f6
# [15:27] <padenot> I'm not a sheriff, but I have a explanation for you
# [15:27] <padenot> "B2G emulator"
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# [15:30] <bbouvier|sick> hum, that explains a lot.
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# [15:31] <Yoric> Mmh...
# [15:31] <Yoric> Interesting problem.
# [15:31] <Yoric> I have a string produced by JSON.stringify that cannot be parsed by JSON.parse.
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# [15:35] <@khuey> can somebody moderate .governance? :P
# [15:35] <@khuey> gerv: ^
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# [15:41] <jcranmer> and no one seems to realize that Brendan resigned of his own free will?
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# [15:42] <@ted> yeah, that seems to have been lost
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# [15:43] <Ms2ger|sad> ted, well, "free will"
# [15:44] <Yoric> Yeah, well, kind of.
# [15:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> maybe people would also not believe he has gone on his own
# [15:44] <Yoric> He was not fired.
# [15:44] <Ms2ger|sad> Sure
# [15:44] <@ted> right
# [15:44] <Ms2ger|sad> Not saying there's been pressure from inside
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# [15:44] <@ted> i'm not saying it wasn't coerced, it just wasn't the organization doing the coercion
# [15:45] <bagder> people are also used to the stated reason being somewhat of a fake or bogus reason
# [15:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> even https://brendaneich.com/2014/04/the-next-mission/ made this clear
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# [15:53] <KaiRo> jcranmer: I won't make any other comment in this channel but "own free will" only if you count being bullied into it as such
# [15:54] <jcranmer> KaiRo: well, I should have clarified that I meant "he was not coerced by Mozilla to leave"
# [15:54] <jcranmer> it's coercion by the trial of public opinion
# [15:55] <KaiRo> yup
# [15:55] <@ehsan> yeah :/
# [15:55] <@ehsan> I don't know how much that makes me feel better about the situation though
# [15:56] <jcranmer> I think Brendan deserves kudos for recognizing that his continued presence would have distracted Mozilla from its mission
# [15:56] <@ehsan> indeed
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# [15:58] <Yoric> Is Try down?
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# [15:59] <@ehsan> Yoric: what error are you getting?
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# [15:59] <@ehsan> the last push was around half an hour ago.. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try
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# [16:00] <Yoric> Nothing.
# [16:00] <@ehsan> that's weird
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# [16:00] <Yoric> pushing to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/try
# [16:00] <Yoric> searching for changes
# [16:00] <Yoric> h^Cinterrupted!
# [16:00] <Yoric> remote: waiting for lock on repository /repo/hg/mozilla/try held by 'hgssh1.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com:5206'
# [16:00] <@ehsan> uh oh
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# [16:00] <@ehsan> that looks familiar
# [16:01] <@ehsan> ping someone in #releng?
# [16:01] * @ehsan gets the same thing fwiw
# [16:01] <Yoric> Will do.
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# [16:01] <@ted> hm, i guess i could probably uninstall visual c++ 2005 and 2008 at this point
# [16:02] <@ted> given that i have 2005, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2013 all installed
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# [16:02] <catlee> ehsan: better poke someone in #it
# [16:02] <catlee> we have no access to the systems
# [16:02] <@ehsan> Yoric: ^
# [16:02] <@ehsan> catlee: sorry :)
# [16:03] <Yoric> Will do.
# [16:03] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [16:03] <@ehsan> ted: you don't have msvc6? o_O
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# [16:03] <@ehsan> what is wrong with you dude?
# [16:03] <@ted> ehsan: you know, i don't
# [16:04] <@ted> that predates my employment at mozilla
# [16:04] <@ehsan> haha
# [16:04] * @ehsan has trouble picturing what it looked like even!
# [16:04] <@ted> i do have the vc toolkit 2003 installer sitting around
# [16:04] <@ted> i used VC6 at previous jobs
# [16:04] <@ted> i just don
# [16:04] <@ted> don't have it here
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# [16:05] <hub> ted: you had a previous life? ;-)
# [16:05] <@ted> hub: seems so long ago!
# [16:05] <hub> yeah, I know
# [16:05] <@ehsan> ted: I clearly remember vc6 ICEing regularly every time I wrote anything with templates! really curious to know how it would handle our hipster template usage these days!
# [16:05] <hub> I'm going on 17years for that
# [16:06] <hub> ehsan: could be worse. I remember VC 4.2 doing BSOD on NT 4.0 with templates
# [16:06] <@ted> ehsan: given that we don't even support 2008 anymore, i can't imagine it would go well
# [16:06] <@ehsan> hub: 6 was the first version that I used iirc
# [16:06] <@ted> i think chrome switched to 2013 and dropped support for everything older
# [16:06] <hub> ehsan: yeah I'm that old.
# [16:06] <@ehsan> yeah
# [16:06] <@ehsan> ted: they're also using the 64 bit toolchain fwiw
# [16:06] <@ted> yeah
# [16:07] <@ted> a googler i had lunch with last week said they had been skirting the 4GB address space limit for some time
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# [16:07] <@ted> (without even doing PGO)
# [16:07] <@ehsan> I'm not surprised
# [16:07] <hub> maybe they'll open source the C++ compilers too
# [16:07] <@ehsan> their code base is massive
# [16:07] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [16:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6c1da25749a0 - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 986760 (with a dash of 989101 added in) - disable browser_UITour3.js on Linux for excessive failures and lack of action taken toward fixing them. a=test-only
# [16:07] <@ehsan> hub: we can only dream :)
# [16:07] <hub> ted: there is a chrome dev in PA?
# [16:08] <@ted> ehsan: did you see my PGO build time comparison of 2013 vs. 2010?
# [16:08] <@ted> hub: i was in MV last week
# [16:08] <@ehsan> ted: no
# [16:08] <hub> ted: oh ok
# [16:08] <@ehsan> link?
# [16:08] <hub> ted: well the other devs are in Montreal
# [16:08] <hub> ted: I was being surprised :-)
# [16:08] <@ted> ehsan: i'll just tell you, on my machine 2010 takes 156 minutes, 2013 takes 63 minutes
# [16:08] <@ted> for a PGO build
# [16:08] <@ehsan> hub: they walk amongst us, unnoticed ;)
# [16:09] <@ted> hub: the googler i met with actually lives in vancouver
# [16:09] <@ehsan> ted: wow!!
# [16:09] <@ted> we just happened to both be in MV
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# [16:09] <@ted> ehsan: yeah, they parallelized the LTCG step
# [16:09] <@ted> so that's pretty nice
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# [16:09] <hub> ted: uh? Vancouver doesn't even have a Google office
# [16:09] <@ehsan> is that the default?
# [16:09] <@ted> hub: yup, he works remote
# [16:09] <@ted> ehsan: yep
# [16:09] <hub> ted: must be a star
# [16:09] <@ted> ehsan: you can tune it with some linker option
# [16:09] <@ehsan> smart!
# [16:09] <@ted> defaults to 4 cores
# [16:10] <@ehsan> how many cores do we have on our windows builders?
# [16:10] * @ehsan hopes >1
# [16:10] <@ted> it's definitely >1
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# [16:10] <@ted> not sure offhand
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# [16:11] <@ted> longer term i know taras wants to move everything to EC2
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# [16:11] <@ehsan> yeah
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# [16:13] <mkaply> Is there anprocess to move a patch from central to aurora/beta? Or do I just checkout aurora/beta trees and check it in?
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# [16:14] <@ted> mkaply: if it's approved then yes, you can just do that
# [16:14] <@ehsan> mkaply: you need to ask for approval
# [16:14] <Ms2ger|sad> mkaply, approval-mozilla-{aurora,beta}
# [16:14] <@ted> or you can set checkin-needed and get ryanvm to do it for you
# [16:14] <mkaply> Sorry, I asked that wrong. I meant the checkin side. It's approved.
# [16:14] <Ms2ger|sad> Or not set checkin-needed, and RyanVM will still do it
# [16:14] <mkaply> I have checkin access, just wasn't sure if there was any magic to move the patch and keep an info
# [16:15] <mkaply> argh
# [16:15] <mkaply> keep any checkin info (revision)
# [16:15] <@ehsan> yeah it usually happens automagically
# [16:15] <@ehsan> thanks to RyanVM
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# [16:15] <RyanVM> mkaply: once it has approval, you can add a=<whoever> and push
# [16:15] <RyanVM> just be sure tos et teh status flags accordingly
# [16:15] <RyanVM> or you can leave it for me :P
# [16:15] <RyanVM> whatever floats your boat
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# [16:16] <mkaply> RyanVM: If you could do it, taht would be great. I don't have aurora or beta trees. bug 889085
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# [16:17] <mkaply> Man my typing is really suffering this morning. Maybe I should just give up and start over Monday :)
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# [16:18] <@khuey> I think a number of us are at that point mkaply
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# [16:18] <mkaply> khuey: Yeah, it's been that kind of week.
# [16:19] <@khuey> indeed
# [16:19] <mkaply> khuey: you still traveling entirely too much?
# [16:20] <@khuey> lol
# [16:20] <@khuey> nah
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# [16:20] <@khuey> my next planned travel is vacation ;-)
# [16:21] <@ehsan> khuey: for a change!
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# [16:21] <@khuey> ehsan: mostly because I'm bad about that whole vacation thing
# [16:21] <@ehsan> tell me about it
# [16:21] <@khuey> I did manage to take a long weekend on my most recent trip to Taiwan
# [16:21] <@khuey> that was good
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# [16:21] <@khuey> heh
# [16:22] <@khuey> I'm taking 3 weeks off starting 2 weeks from now
# [16:22] <@ehsan> yay
# [16:22] <@khuey> email bankruptcy will be declared
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# [16:22] <@ehsan> khuey: you're a brave man
# [16:22] <@ehsan> khuey: http://imgur.com/hmcaRIT
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# [16:23] <@khuey> ehsan: your email client has a "mark as read" button right?
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# [16:23] <@ehsan> khuey: does it? ;)
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# [16:24] <firebot> brendan was last seen 11 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'derf: thanks' in #media.
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# [16:26] <Ms2ger|sad> khuey, please declare it preemptively and send an OOO reply
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# [16:28] <Mossop> khuey: And please finish reviewing ejpbruel's patches first ;)
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# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Mossop: not that I know of, 302 releng? (and context?)
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# [16:31] <mkaply> RyanVM: Thanks
# [16:32] <RyanVM> mkaply: np, I'll get it the next time I'm doing a round of uplifts
# [16:32] <RyanVM> mkaply: it's got some wonky flags set on it, so it won't show up in my various queries otherwise
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# [16:37] <jesup> I presume b2g-emulator tests run on AWS?
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# [16:39] <RyanVM> jesup: yes
# [16:39] <philor> edmorley|sheriffduty / RyanVM : Gi on mozilla-inbound has been consistently failing since sometime yesterday
# [16:39] <RyanVM> jesup: tst-linux64-spot-561
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# [16:40] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: yeah just requested some retriggers
# [16:40] <jesup> so weird; two B2G emulator builds - one took 75 min, one took 130
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# [16:40] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: presuming they don't imply some other nonsense b2g repo change, 2ac8fe9a90c5 is looking likely
# [16:41] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Mossop: did you use recent inbound as qbase?
# [16:41] <Mossop> edmorley|sheriffduty: fx-team, though I've just spotted some extra logging my code does that might be to blame...
# [16:42] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Mossop: ah ok. was just thinking of an inbound backout a few hours ago (https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57547c682f35)
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# [16:44] <till> Yoric++, thanks for doing that
# [16:44] <Yoric> till: Well, you took the previous round :)
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# [16:45] <till> Yoric: I'm afraid this will go on for quite a while :(
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# [16:45] <till> Yoric: oh, nit: s/Brendon/Brendan/
# [16:46] <Yoric> Oops, thanks.
# [16:46] <till> Yoric: (in case you plan to keep using this, which I think you should)
# [16:46] <@ehsan> perhaps we should take turns? </sigh>
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# [16:48] <jcranmer> edmorley|sheriffduty: do you happen to have an eta for a m-i -> m-c merge?
# [16:48] <Yoric> Ok, I think I got them all (for this round).
# [16:49] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jcranmer: when the trees reopen after the infra issues, I'd imagine no more than an hour?
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# [16:49] <jcranmer> ay
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# [16:49] <jcranmer> okay*
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# [16:50] <RyanVM> Yoric: ++ indeed :)
# [16:50] * RyanVM is just avoiding governance for awhile
# [16:50] <Yoric> Yeah...
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# [16:50] <Yoric> Anyway, time to get away from this computer.
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# [17:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fcd79d6f4a7e - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 2ac8fe9a90c5 (bug 948269) for timeouts in gaia-integration tests; CLOSED TREE
# [17:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b327711444ed - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset e00d10064639 (bug 948269)
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# [17:47] <sheppy> Web APIs documentation meeting in 15 minutes! Everyone’s welcome to attend. For connection info and agenda, see: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/WebAPI-docs-2014-04-04 (corrected URL from the announcement email).
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# [18:14] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: ping
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# [18:14] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: pong
# [18:15] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: question for you: if we have an async stream copier, and we need to make sure that it's done copying, do we need to spin the event loop?
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# [18:17] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: (context: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=880864&attachment=8401193)
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# [18:17] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: I really don't know
# [18:18] <@ehsan> hmm
# [18:18] <taras> ehsan: we have 4 cores
# [18:18] <taras> on builders
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# [18:18] * @ehsan hates to r- rvitillo again :(
# [18:18] <@ehsan> taras: thanks
# [18:18] <taras> ehsan: we'll be bumping that up
# [18:18] <taras> once we have a way to do many builders per builder
# [18:18] <taras> concurrently
# [18:19] <@ehsan> you mean many builds per builder right?
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# [18:21] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: so I don't know who really owns async-stream stuff, but I'm not intimately familiar with them
# [18:21] <@ehsan> ok, thanks!
# [18:21] <@bsmedberg> every time I have to review a patch, I spend 30 minutes reading code
# [18:21] <@ehsan> yeah
# [18:21] <@bsmedberg> so I'm hoping somebody from networking knows better
# [18:21] <mayhemer> bsmedberg: it would me...
# [18:22] <@ehsan> mayhemer: see my question above please
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# [18:22] <mayhemer> ehsan: I think we need to spin it on the copying thread
# [18:23] <@ehsan> hmm
# [18:23] <mayhemer> ehsan: and the source thread as well..
# [18:23] <@ehsan> mayhemer: but don't we receive the OnStopRequest on the main thread?
# [18:23] <mayhemer> ehsan: we receive it on.. let me check :)
# [18:23] <@ehsan> thanks
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# [18:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/a44dfcf94431 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 989626 - Buttons shouldn't have a max-height (messes up adjacent labels). r=jaws
# [18:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/10a99a32304b - Dão Gottwald - Bug 991034 - Remove unused strings from browser.dtd. r=dolske
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# [18:27] <jaws> try is down?
# [18:27] <jaws> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7fX6ZrQh
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# [18:28] <@ehsan> jaws: ping someone on #it, people had problems with it earlier today as well
# [18:28] <jaws> ehsan: i just said something in #buildduty
# [18:28] <firebot> Check-in:
# [18:28] <jaws> i'll check in #it
# [18:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/50e3d7132fa9 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 984786 part 8: Give NS_INLINE_DECL_*REFCOUNTING classes private destructor & MOZ_FINAL annotation where appropriate, in /gfx and /content/canvas. r=bjacob
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# [18:29] <@smaug> surkov: ping
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# [18:29] <jaws> working now, please disregard
# [18:29] <@smaug> surkov: could you perhaps explain bug 975065 a bit more
# [18:29] <mayhemer> ehsan: you have to loop the main thread: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/src/nsAsyncStreamCopier.cpp#227
# [18:29] <mayhemer> ehsan: to explain
# [18:30] <mayhemer> ehsan: the copier does all the job on the background thread it was given
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# [18:31] <@ehsan> mayhemer: so that's a problem, because we often cannot spin the main thread safely :(
# [18:31] <@ehsan> mayhemer: is there any workarounds?
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# [18:32] <mayhemer> ehsan: the result is then notified on the target thread to, but we pass it the proxy that posts it to the main thread
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# [18:32] <mayhemer> ehsan: it's all quite hardcoded.
# [18:32] <mayhemer> ehsan: I know, spinning loops is bad :)
# [18:33] <mjrosenb> is there anything that can tell me which tab has flash in it/
# [18:33] * mjrosenb has 500 tabs
# [18:33] <mjrosenb> and one of them is making noise
# [18:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ed8b82d0548 - Tetsuharu OHZEKI - Bug 984015 - GUIDHelper.getItemId should deliver itself as |this| to its internal executeAsync callback. r=?
# [18:33] <till> mjrosenb: sadly, no :(
# [18:33] <@smaug> ehsan: btw, I think we should do something to nsIThread::shutdown(). Make is less error prone
# [18:33] <mayhemer> ehsan: the proxy is always created and always redirects to the main thread
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# [18:34] <@ehsan> smaug: what's this about?
# [18:34] <mayhemer> ehsan: what would be a perfect theoretical solution for you?
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# [18:34] <mayhemer> smaug: ehsan: yes, it spins the loop...
# [18:34] <@ehsan> mayhemer: if we could send the OnStopRequest to the STS thread, finish our work there, and set a condvar that the main thread could wait on if needed
# [18:34] <mayhemer> we've been hitten with that mane times...
# [18:34] <mjrosenb> till: I wonder how hard it would be to modify about:tabs...
# [18:35] <mayhemer> ehsan: cond var on a main thread? wow!
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# [18:35] <@smaug> yeah, shutdown spins event loop
# [18:35] <mayhemer> ehsan: you cannot be serious?
# [18:35] <till> mjrosenb: infinitely so
# [18:35] <till> mjrosenb: we simply don't have the information
# [18:35] <@ehsan> mayhemer: I'm fairly serious :)
# [18:35] <@ehsan> mayhemer: we're trying to move some IO off the main thread
# [18:35] <mayhemer> ehsan: :) if that is just at shutdown, then ok
# [18:35] <@ehsan> mayhemer: but the chances are that we need to wait on its completion anyways
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# [18:35] <@ehsan> it's not during shutdown
# [18:35] <mayhemer> ehsan: and this has to be the solution?
# [18:36] <mjrosenb> till: well, if we scanned the content, and grepped for plugins...
# [18:36] * @ehsan is still not sure why smaug thinks those are related
# [18:36] <mayhemer> ehsan: can you cc me to the bug?
# [18:36] <@ehsan> mayhemer: do you have any better solutions?
# [18:36] <@ehsan> sure
# [18:36] <mayhemer> ehsan: I need to see the problem, maybe not
# [18:36] <@ehsan> mayhemer: 880864
# [18:36] <till> mjrosenb: ah, you mean just display whether there are SWFs running, not whether they play sound
# [18:36] <@ehsan> ok
# [18:36] <@ehsan> mayhemer: see the second patch there
# [18:36] <till> mjrosenb: in that case - that's a good idea
# [18:37] <mjrosenb> till: yeah, it is a /start/
# [18:37] <till> mjrosenb: care to file a bug?
# [18:37] <mjrosenb> also, while I have 500 tab open
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# [18:37] <mjrosenb> becaue I just started my browser, ~20 of them are actually loaded
# [18:38] <mjrosenb> which means that going on a witch hunt for flashy-tabs
# [18:38] <mayhemer> ehsan: sounds like localstorage :D
# [18:38] <gfritzsche> till: sounds more like something for a simple addon instead of filing a bug on fx?
# [18:38] <@ehsan> yeah :(
# [18:38] <mayhemer> ehsan: could the dictionary be turned to be async?
# [18:38] <mjrosenb> means that I load lots of stuff that I didn't need to right then.
# [18:38] <@smaug> ehsan: it was just a random comment about spinning event loop
# [18:38] <@ehsan> mayhemer: I'm looking at the surrounding code right now
# [18:38] <@smaug> which you were talking earlier
# [18:38] <mayhemer> ehsan: is it critical to have the data synchronously?
# [18:38] <@ehsan> smaug: oh ok, yes, then I agree!
# [18:38] <till> gfritzsche: can an addon do that? (I honestly have no idea)
# [18:39] <gfritzsche> till: sure, find tabs with flash or kill flash in open tabs shouldn't be much work
# [18:39] <mayhemer> ehsan: if it's for spell checking... then I think it can easily be made async, actually, I would try to write it that way
# [18:39] <mayhemer> ehsan: I mean all the spellchecking code
# [18:39] <till> gfritzsche: nice!
# [18:39] <@ehsan> mayhemer: so this class is currently used in two places, and none of the consumers are asyncrhonous
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# [18:40] <@ehsan> mayhemer: I don't agree that it's easy!
# [18:40] <@ehsan> why do you think that?
# [18:40] <mayhemer> ehsan: it may be complicated
# [18:40] <mayhemer> ehsan: how urgent is this?
# [18:40] <@ehsan> not sure
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# [18:40] <@ehsan> it's main thread IO
# [18:40] <@ehsan> but we've had it for years
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# [18:41] <mayhemer> ehsan: btw, you don't need to use nsIAsyncStreamCopier, you can do NS_AsyncCopy directly and get the result (final callback) on the background thread
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# [18:41] <@ehsan> mayhemer: so, doing the condvar trick would make us strictly no worse than today right?
# [18:41] <mayhemer> ehsan: I would try to preload it, so we minimize the main thread blocking - I've made the same for localStorage and it works
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# [18:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0707f1855f25 - Tetsuharu OHZEKI - Backed out changeset 9ed8b82d0548 for incorrect commit message.
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# [18:41] <mayhemer> ehsan: yep and give us space to preload sooner
# [18:42] <@ehsan> mayhemer: it's currently preloaded!
# [18:42] <mayhemer> ehsan: ok
# [18:42] * @ehsan might be missing something
# [18:42] <mayhemer> ehsan: so, when the disk is fast enough, we don't block?
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# [18:43] <@ehsan> well
# [18:43] <@ehsan> what happens is that we read this stuff on profile-do-change on the main thread
# [18:43] <@ehsan> not sure if that answers your question
# [18:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/bac6b4dcfb46 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - c. Support multiple listener types in EventDispatcher; r=mfinkle
# [18:43] <mayhemer> ehsan: we start reading it
# [18:43] <mconnor> gerv: is there a reason we're allowing all of these posts on .governance, and not on any other list?
# [18:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f51f24a55515 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - b. Drop JSON.stringify when calling handleGeckoMessage; r=mfinkle
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# [18:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/d145b6b5f3d4 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - a. Convert Gecko side messaging to use NativeJSContainer; r=blassey
# [18:44] <mayhemer> ehsan: so if this happens in background, no blocking happens, right?
# [18:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/17cfdd3ed969 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - g. Only unregister event in BrowserHealthRecorder if already registered; r=rnewman
# [18:44] <@ehsan> mayhemer: we start and finish reading it
# [18:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/788572a38373 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - f. Only unregister event in GeckoEditable if already registered; r=capella
# [18:44] <@ehsan> well
# [18:44] <mayhemer> ehsan: until somebody needs the dictionary
# [18:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/803e317e3655 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - d. Register prompt event on startup; r=liuche
# [18:44] <@ehsan> mayhemer: yeah that's my idea
# [18:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/8f3de58a44c9 - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - e. Only unregister event in FindInPageBar if already registered; r=capella
# [18:44] <mconnor> gerv: they're not really on topic for project governance
# [18:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/9f1100e1831a - Jim Chen - Bug 989046 - h. Be more strict about event registration in non-release versions; r=mfinkle
# [18:45] <mayhemer> ehsan: ok, you can also well just post to IOThreadPool an even, do the read then, and then set you flags/monitors
# [18:45] <mayhemer> s/then/there/
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# [18:45] <surkov> smaug, pong
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# [18:45] <@ehsan> mayhemer: can you point me to an example please?
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# [18:45] <@smaug> surkov: I commented in the bug
# [18:45] <mayhemer> ehsan: hmm... just a sec
# [18:45] <surkov> ok
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# [18:45] <@ehsan> ty
# [18:46] <mayhemer> ehsan: here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/src/nsAsyncStreamCopier.cpp#211 you get the target
# [18:46] <surkov> smaug: did you? I don't see
# [18:46] <mayhemer> then you can mTarget->Dispatch(your_runnable, nsIEventTarget::DISPATCH_NORMAL) to it
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# [18:47] <@ehsan> mayhemer: hmm, I meant, an example of a consumer that does this...
# [18:47] <@ehsan> I've already misled rvitillo once... :/
# [18:47] <mayhemer> ehsan: not by hand, sorry
# [18:47] <mayhemer> ehsan: I can write the code :D
# [18:47] <@smaug> surkov: ahaa, I didn't press submit yet :)
# [18:47] <surkov> :)
# [18:47] <@ehsan> mayhemer: ok so how do we use this exactly? the mTarget stuff ives within the nsAsyncStreamCopier class
# [18:48] <@ehsan> you mean you can take over bug 880864? :)
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# [18:49] <mayhemer> ehsan: yep
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# [18:49] <mayhemer> ehsan: since it looks like it will be faster then to explain it to you :D
# [18:49] <philor> I forget, how long do I have to leave this one hidden and busted build busted before I can declare it unowned and get it shut off?
# [18:49] <mayhemer> ehsan: have you ever worked with nsRunnable?
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# [18:49] <mayhemer> ehsan: or nsIRunnable?
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# [18:50] <philor> and are the rules different for release deliverables that are nevertheless hidden and tier 2?
# [18:50] <@ehsan> I know nsRunnable, yes
# [18:50] <@ehsan> mayhemer: but the reason I'm asking is because I need to explain things to rvitillo :)
# [18:50] <@ehsan> I don't want to mislead him once again
# [18:50] <@ehsan> but if you're kind enough to take over the bug, that works for me too :)
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# [18:51] <mayhemer> ehsan: hmm.. low on time, really, I won't get to it sooner then in two weeks at least
# [18:51] <mayhemer> ehsan: or I can mentor...?
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# [18:51] <@ehsan> mayhemer: please :)
# [18:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ba787cb6c35 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 977126 Part 2 -- Changes to x86/x64 to support subPtr(Register,Address) r=jandem
# [18:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22432664801b - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 977126 Part 3 -- Inline SetTypedObjectOffset intrinsic r=shu
# [18:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7846fe42546 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 977126 Part 1 -- Changes to arm to support subPtr(Register,Address) r=mrosenberg
# [18:52] <@ehsan> mayhemer: so I'll r- the patch and say that you'll explain what needs to happen, sounds good?
# [18:52] <mayhemer> ehsan: ok, I'll do it for you ;)
# [18:52] <@ehsan> perfect \o/
# [18:52] <@ehsan> thanks
# [18:52] <mayhemer> ehsan: yep
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# [18:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/6a5529e2150d - Mike Conley - Backing out bug 986920 (eefdd02dd206) because the approach from bug 989761 is much better. r=me.
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# [18:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/fd93d96bd9a1 - Mike Conley - Bug 989761 - Make sure background tabs have the right z-index in relation to the classic theme fog. r=dao.
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# [18:54] <@ehsan> mayhemer: ok, r-ed :)
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# [18:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/48e5925d8c81 - Mike Conley - Bug 989609 - Dynamically added toolbars with API-created widgets should not break customize mode. r=Unfocused,mdeboer
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# [18:59] <@ehsan> "Mozilla is no better than Stalin, Hitler and Putin"
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# [18:59] <surkov> smaug: that's trev's findings I believe
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# [18:59] <@ehsan> *grinds
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# [19:00] <RyanVM> ehsan: I've decided it's better for my mental wellbeing to just ignore dev-governance for awhile
# [19:00] <@smaug> ehsan: better to not read that list now
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# [19:00] <@ehsan> I guess so :(
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# [19:01] <RyanVM> ehsan: Bob wasn't lying about the backlash from the "other" side yesterday, that's for sure
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# [19:01] <@ehsan> yeah, I wasn't expecting anything less tbh
# [19:01] <@ehsan> it still hurts ;)
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# [19:02] <RyanVM> to quote my GenMay forum roots, the internet is serious business
# [19:02] <@ehsan> heh
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# [19:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/1bd9fa893bf8 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 992208 - Add Telemetry Experiments to the package so that they are actually used. Also a basic test that the service exists and can be created. r=gfritzsche
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# [19:04] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: itym srs bisness
# [19:04] <tbsaunde> ;)
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# [19:06] <sfink> ehsan: is there an easy way to disable unified builds?
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# [19:06] <@ehsan> sfink: --disable-unified-compilation
# [19:07] <sfink> cool, thanks
# [19:07] <@ehsan> np
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# [19:09] <poiru> In other news, it seems like MS is actually going to fix their preprocessor bugs in some future release: http://i.imgur.com/1KJN9qp.png
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# [19:09] <@ehsan> poiru: where is this from?
# [19:10] <poiru> ehsan: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/2-661
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# [19:10] <@ehsan> thanks
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: where do click to play bugs go?
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# [19:14] <@ehsan> uh-oh
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# [19:15] <mconnor> ehsan: that'd be the saddest topicbait ever
# [19:15] <mconnor> ;)
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# [19:16] <@ehsan> mconnor: we'll see worse soon I'm sure ;)
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# [19:17] <mconnor> ehsan: worse, perhaps, but sadder? I dunno
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# [19:18] <@ehsan> mconnor: careful what you wish for!
# [19:18] <@ted> i tried to convince someone to offer bz's kids employment contracts
# [19:18] <mconnor> ted: careful about recruiting kids
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# [19:18] <@ehsan> I hear it's frowned upon
# [19:18] <mconnor> one of the world's biggest football clubs just got smacked hard for that
# [19:18] <@ted> hah
# [19:19] <@ehsan> maybe we should bury the idea for a couple of week? ;)
# [19:19] <@ted> what can i say, i think we should employ as many zbarskys as possible
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# [19:19] <Archaeopteryx> disguise it as kindergarten
# [19:20] <jgraham> Maybe try the kind of "first refusal" contract that you get in the army or whatever? We fund them through college in return for getting the option of employing them afterwards (and internships in the meantime)?
# [19:20] <@ehsan> hmm, I like that idea
# [19:20] <@ehsan> we can just call it daycare ;)
# [19:20] <jgraham> I mean it's a long play, but worth it
# [19:20] <@ted> haha
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# [19:20] <mconnor> 20 years? so optimistic :)
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# [19:20] <jgraham> Well they might all go to college at 12 :)
# [19:20] * @ehsan sincerely hopes the press never discovers #developers
# [19:21] <mconnor> brendan: <3
# [19:21] <RyanVM> ehsan: hah
# [19:21] <brendan> mconnor: <3
# [19:21] <@ehsan> brendan: <3 :)
# [19:22] <jcranmer|away> . . .
# [19:23] <RyanVM> brendan: http://images.boxtv.com/clips/453/8453/player_crop_640x300_8453.jpg
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# [19:23] <Callek> ehsan: they [press] have found this chan before, (I've seen stories ripped directly from this)
# [19:24] <@ehsan> in that case, I take all of my comments about employing kids back! ;)
# [19:24] <RyanVM> (in public)
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# [19:24] <@ehsan> (indeed)
# [19:24] <jcranmer|away> the press seems to believe that any communication channel that Mozilla uses is an official statement of Mozilla policy
# [19:25] <sfink> it's the press, taking things back == coverup
# [19:25] <RyanVM> jcranmer|away: I believe they're called "inside sources"
# [19:25] <@ehsan> sfink: you're assuming they're smart
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# [19:25] <@ehsan> I'm betting against that
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# [19:26] <jcranmer|away> well, Mozilla must be like Hitler since shaver managed to get his 4 year old to potty-train his 2 year old
# [19:26] <jcranmer|away> and child labor is obviously something Hitler supports because it's evil and Hitler is evil
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# [19:26] <philor> edmorley|sheriffduty: I closed fx-team, dao's unused strings weren't all exactly entirely unused
# [19:26] <@ehsan> jcranmer|away: bullet proof arguments, case closed!
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# [19:27] <jcranmer|away> better hope they never discover qdb...
# [19:27] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: ty just spotted that before a ping distracted me :-)
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# [19:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: how are you today anyway? :-)
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# [19:30] <philor> bitter, so pretty much same as always
# [19:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/ddc22f087bec - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 10a99a32304b (bug 991034) for startup crashes; CLOSED TREE
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# [19:32] <mconnor> philor: I'd say never change, but you don't need anyone to reinforce that
# [19:32] <mconnor> :)
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# [19:39] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: :-)
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# [19:40] <@smaug> ted: sorry. threading is hard.
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# [19:41] <@ted> smaug: np, agreed, i wish i'd known about this other windows API in the first place, i would have just used it
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# [19:41] <@ted> smaug: so, there are only two threads
# [19:41] <@ted> the main thread and that background thread
# [19:42] <@ted> the main thread only touches mGamepads in those two places (setting .remove and .id)
# [19:42] <Waldo> peoples! where do I put networking tests these days that need the browser environment, but also need to create/interact with an XPCOM component instance too?
# [19:42] <@ted> the background thread only mutates mGamepads in two places (the append, and the remove)
# [19:42] <@ted> Waldo: probably mochitest-browser-chrome
# [19:42] <@ted> you can do arbitrary xpcom in mochitest but you have to use SpecialPowers
# [19:42] <mayhemer> Waldo: we have netwerk/tests/mochitests
# [19:43] <Waldo> ted: those are the ones (I knew this once!) that you have to be careful about naming/variable scoping and all, right?
# [19:43] <@smaug> ted: ah, hmm
# [19:43] <@ted> Waldo: I...don't recall offhand
# [19:43] <@smaug> error prone at least
# [19:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf184a7a1d63 - Chris Lord - Bug 990608 - Make tile size configurable. r=tn,nical,bgirard
# [19:43] <@smaug> ted: couldn't you just protect all the access with mutex?
# [19:43] <@ted> smaug: yeah, it's not fantastic, but like i said, i want to remove all this code anyway
# [19:43] <@ted> smaug: i can do that, it shouldn't hurt anything
# [19:43] <@ted> there's very little actual contention
# [19:43] <@smaug> right
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# [19:44] <@ted> the main thread only needs to touch the array when a device is added/removed
# [19:44] <jesup> ted: to avoid tsan bugs, you likely need a mutex
# [19:44] <@ted> jesup: i have one
# [19:44] <@ted> also none of this code is going to be run under tsan because a) it's windows-only b) it requires plugging in an actual gamepad
# [19:44] <@ted> so!
# [19:45] <jesup> ted: doesn't mean you can't have tsan bugs though :-)
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# [19:45] <@ted> hah
# [19:45] <@smaug> we should attach various gamepads to test servers
# [19:45] <@ted> haha
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# [19:45] <@smaug> and create robots to use them
# [19:45] <@ted> a sound plan
# [19:45] <jesup> ted: where's the virtual gamepad device?
# [19:45] <@ted> jesup: :-/
# [19:45] <@ted> i'm sure they exist somewhere
# [19:46] <@ted> i have mochitests that test our DOM implementation
# [19:46] <@ted> by inserting synthetic gamepads
# [19:46] <@ted> but that doesn't exercise the platform backends
# [19:46] <@ted> (does this sound familiar?)
# [19:46] <@ted> smaug: did you see that microsoft is apparently going to implement the gamepad api?
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# [19:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2900014098ce - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 989748 - Add RResumePoint to read recovery data. r=jandem
# [19:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3bd8dc58dcf3 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 989667 - Add writes of recovery meta-data to the MResumePoint. r=h4writer
# [19:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/10b769a8f5f2 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 989641 - Move FlattenedMResumePointIter into LRecover. r=jandem
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# [19:53] <@ehsan> is there a vidyo room for the townhall?
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# [19:57] <drno> Does anyone know of a script/tool which downloads all the full logs from tbpl for a given intermittent bz entry?
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# [19:59] <@ehsan> drno: I've never heard of such thing
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# [19:59] <Ms2ger|sad> drno, sounds difficult, too, because most will be gone
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# [20:00] <drno> ehsan: thanks. then I'll look into building one. just wanted to prevent re-inventing the wheel :-)
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# [20:00] <drno> Ms2ger: sure. fetch as much as still is available
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# [20:01] <drno> Ms2ger: for the really slow intermittens it would be hard/impossible. but for the once with high re-occurance...
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# [20:02] <drno> although it might be fun/useful to have the same script store logs of such intermittens permanently to avoid loosing them on tbpl...
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# [20:03] <Ms2ger|sad> How much disk space are you offering?
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# [20:05] <@ted> drno: orangefactor gets its data from tbpl starring, i think
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# [20:10] <mcote> yes
# [20:10] <mcote> treeherder (tbpl version 2) will have much more functionality in this regard
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# [20:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c807157e57ed - Geoff Brown - Bug 986738 - End robocop tests with nsIAppStartup.quit(); r=snorp
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# [20:35] <qui> Hello. I asked yesterday (at the wrong TZ probably) where I can discuss this terrible resignation of Eich.
# [20:35] <qui> should i take this whole debacle which resulted in the quitting of a very reputable developer as a sign that the mozilla foundation doesn't support freedom of thought?
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# [20:38] <@dolske> qui: this isn't an appropriate channel for that. software development only, please.
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# [20:39] <jez> qui: maybe in #firefox
# [20:39] <mconnor> no
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# [20:39] <Cork> could anyone explain what mozregression --persist is meant to do?
# [20:39] <Cork> the description is cryptic at best
# [20:39] <drno> Ms2ger: As I'm still fairly new to the project my laptop hard drive has > 200GB space available :)
# [20:40] <gcp> moz.governance is maybe the best place for it, btw
# [20:40] <gcp> I see loads of discussion on that issue already there
# [20:40] <qui> dolske: if you bear with me a second, the situation isn't entirely divorced from development. as a developer, i question if i want to associate with an organization that doesn't believe in freedom of expression.
# [20:40] <drno> ted: yes I know of orangefactor. its a great help. but not quite all the features I'm looking for
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# [20:40] <@dolske> qui: not here.
# [20:40] <Ms2ger|sad> qui, please, to governance
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# [20:58] <Callek> fyi, *everyone* Astralis is *VERY VERY GOOD*
# [20:58] <jez> erm, no it isnt
# [20:58] <Callek> and this is coming from someone who was skeptical the whole way, and hates change (hell I'm a SeaMonkey driver)
# [20:58] <Callek> jez: it has some rough edges, but yea I'm a big fan
# [20:58] <Callek> after using it for a few weeks
# [20:59] <jez> yeah, and i can point you to dozens on the newsgroups who hate it
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# [20:59] <jez> let alone the wider internet
# [20:59] <jez> so it's not a slam-dumk awesome
# [20:59] <Ms2ger|sad> It's quite good
# [20:59] <Ms2ger|sad> But it's change
# [20:59] <Ms2ger|sad> Change is bad
# [20:59] <jez> no, change for change's sake is bad
# [20:59] <Callek> jez: its a change, people have to give the change a chance... remember how much the "internet" hated "awesomebar"
# [20:59] <Ms2ger|sad> Change is perceived as bad
# [20:59] <Callek> jez: now every browser has some form of it and love it
# [20:59] <Ms2ger|sad> Definitely in UI
# [20:59] <jez> Callek: this is different. the awesomebar actually added something good, i got used to it after a few days
# [21:00] <jez> australis takes stuff away, and i stick to seamonkey
# [21:00] <Ms2ger|sad> Anyway, move to #ui, please
# [21:00] <Callek> Ms2ger|sad: ooo we have a channel for that?
# [21:00] <Ms2ger|sad> Well, if we don't, even better
# [21:00] <jez> Callek: i wouldnt go there. you'll get kicked
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# [21:00] <jez> i did for daring to voice criticism a while backl
# [21:00] <jez> asa dotzler said it was "their office"
# [21:00] <Callek> jez: note because I'm a seamonkey driver does *not* mean I'm planning to make seamonkey adopt astralis
# [21:01] <jez> Callek: damn good thing too
# [21:01] <@dolske> not here, please.
# [21:01] <Callek> anyway, just "thanks"
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# [21:01] <Callek> dolske: Ms2ger|sad thanks for the "/say /kick"
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# [21:06] <bz> hey jez
# [21:06] <bz> jez: what's up?
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# [21:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c4d1adee6057 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 5 changesets (bug 989667, bug 989641, bug 989748, bug 989759) for B2G bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
# [21:07] <jez> bz: months ago we were talking about the css3 "object-fit" property
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# [21:07] <jez> you hypothesized it might be implemented by early 2014, but it still doesn't seem to be
# [21:07] <jez> any ideas on a timeframe now? :-)
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# [21:08] <bz> jez: nope
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# [21:09] <Ms2ger|sad> Early 2015 ;)
# [21:09] * bz has a hard time believing he said anything clearer than "not before X"
# [21:10] <jez> sigh
# [21:10] <bz> jez: fwiw, I'm willing to mentor someone who wants to take this on
# [21:10] <bz> jez: Though it's likely to be a bit of nontrivial work, so not a good first patch....
# [21:11] <bz> Ms2ger|sad: Sad b/c of the CEO goings on, or something else?
# [21:11] <Ms2ger|sad> Former
# [21:11] <jez> yeah, im focussing on my monkeyfix extension anyway. it's a minor thing, and my use-case for it is an unusual one, but i want to be able to force 16x16 icons to be centred in 24x24 image holders for a SM theme when small icons is not selected
# [21:11] <jez> it doesn't look *too* bad right now but it would be better at size 24x24 with object-fit:none
# [21:12] <bz> fair
# [21:13] <jgraham> There's a test suite at least! ;)
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# [21:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/1b88de484816 - Dave Hylands - Bug 988410 - Move directory service calls onto MainThread. r=bent
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# [21:17] <qui> have a good weekend folks.
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# [21:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cbb81640ea16 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset bf184a7a1d63 (bug 990608) for Android crashes.
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# [21:23] <jcranmer|away> why is it that whenever I want to land something on m-i that should get to m-c quickly, it ends up being the circumstance where there are no merges for 24 hours?
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# [21:24] <bz> hrm
# [21:24] <bz> either yammer or airmo is pegging my CPU
# [21:24] <bz> continuing even after I close the tab
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# [21:24] <jcranmer|away> you know what's fun?
# [21:24] <philor> bz: yammer doing so is a known bug, according to someone a few days ago
# [21:25] <jcranmer|away> watching python take several seconds to clean up 5GB of memory after an exception
# [21:26] <bz> philor: yes, but _after_ you close the tab?
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# [21:27] <Mossop> bz: For a little while yes
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# [21:28] <philor> I've always found that yammering people continue to keep my brain spinning after they finally shut up, no reason why the app shouldn't do the same
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# [21:29] <bz> mossop: _that_ seems like a bug on our end no matter what
# [21:29] <bz> mossop: I should try this in a debug build and see if I can figure out wtf is still going on after we close the tab
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# [21:41] <jorendorff> ok - fedora just doesn't work. i challenge anyone to get it to run from a usb stick on a mbp
# [21:41] <jorendorff> downloading an ubuntu image
# [21:42] <shu> jorendorff: why not get a separate linux laptop?
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# [21:42] <jorendorff> shu: ... i guess i do not have a really good answer for that.
# [21:42] <@smaug> jorendorff: get some reasonable laptop ?
# [21:43] <@smaug> anyhow, Fedora 20 seems to work quite well
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# [21:43] <@smaug> jorendorff: except if you have formatted that usb stick on a win8 machine
# [21:43] <jorendorff> that's what i'm using. two different laptops, two different boot managers, two different memory sticks, even two different fedora 20 images
# [21:43] <@smaug> then there is chance that only win8 understands it
# [21:44] <efaust> yeah, but the whole point is that you don't want to have to think about your linux install. It should be as easy as any of the other OSs
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# [21:44] <jorendorff> smaug: no, and i now think that it doesn't matter how it is formatted; putting an image on a memory stick clobbers everything on it
# [21:44] <efaust> if you have to fight iwth it, that's increasingly not "The Linux Way" that's "I'll find another distro"
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# [21:45] <jorendorff> er, not "memory sticks". usb sticks
# [21:45] <@smaug> can you get any other OS to run from a usb stick on mbp ?
# [21:45] <jorendorff> we'll see!
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# [21:46] <@gavin> jmaher: why aren't we using chunk-by-dir for mochitest-bc chunking
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# [21:50] <abr> RyanVM|sheriffduty -- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=930481#c187 is Windows 7; it probably doesn't belong to a bug called "OS X Debug Only:…"
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# [21:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gavin: because it leaks like crazy
# [21:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and so far, we haven't gotten any help making it not
# [21:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> abr: yeah, and the last star in it was B2G
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# [21:51] <jmaher> gavin: it is a LOT of work to get green
# [21:52] <abr> Right. These are different problems. 930481 is an e10s bug that we're pretty sure is specific to OS X 10.6. Attaching new logs to it means other problems will get overlooked.
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# [21:53] <abr> RyanVM: And, to be clear, the tests that can cause Bug 930418 to surface are disabled right now. :)
# [21:53] <jmaher> gavin: once we split devtools from browser-chrome, I plan to chunkbydir on the remaining browser-chrome
# [21:53] <@gavin> RyanVM, jmaher: I mean as opposed to the non-chunk-by-dir chunking
# [21:53] <RyanVM> gavin: it's greener
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# [21:54] <@gavin> ok, well I think that's not a viable approach longer term
# [21:54] <jmaher> wait, gavin I think you are saying we split the chunks based on directory boundaries, not run one directory as a single session of firefox
# [21:54] <@gavin> I'm saying let's use the --chunk-by-dir argument to runtests.py
# [21:54] <Ms2ger|sad> gavin, are you going to make it greenish?
# [21:55] <efaust> Dear inbound, I have tried and tried, but it just seems you are never open to my advances. I hope you enjoyed our brief attempts at happiness at least a little. Your repeated snubs have set my eyes elsewhere. Yours, efaust
# [21:55] <@gavin> YES
# [21:55] <Ms2ger|sad> Excellent
# [21:55] <Ms2ger|sad> Thank you
# [21:55] <RyanVM> efaust: whew, good thing the other ones are closed too
# [21:55] <RyanVM> :D
# [21:56] <efaust> welp. time for coffee
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# [21:56] <RyanVM> gavin: I think there's unanimous agreement that per-directory is the best long-term option
# [21:56] <@ehsan> Optimizer: ping
# [21:56] <RyanVM> but farnkly, mbc is too fucked-up *now* to wait that long as long as it's Joel fighting that battle by himself
# [21:57] <Optimizer> ehsan: pong
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> Optimizer: why did you ask bent's review on 930931?
# [21:57] <@gavin> RyanVM: right now non-per-directory chunking is causing various issues because test chunks vary as we add tests
# [21:57] <jmaher> RyanVM: one step at a time
# [21:57] <RyanVM> gavin: yup
# [21:57] <RyanVM> vp's been repeatedly burned by that lately
# [21:57] <RyanVM> and what he's hitting is a microcosm of the per-directory situation
# [21:57] <Optimizer> ehsan: because the code resembles a lot from his addon, and he said that it would be good to get his eyes on the code, when i asked so
# [21:57] <RyanVM> with per-directory, it's straight-up perma-fail
# [21:58] <@gavin> if it's perma-fail then it's perma-fail, we need to fix it
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# [21:58] <KWierso> "we" :)
# [21:58] <RyanVM> get on it, jmaher!
# [21:58] <Optimizer> ehsan: he has been helping me a lot :)
# [21:58] <jmaher> RyanVM: per directory could be different than the existing --chunk-by-dir
# [21:58] <@gavin> we're not getting anything by putting not-per-directory chunking online now
# [21:58] <@gavin> and we're losing vp's patience
# [21:58] <@ehsan> Optimizer: cool, just curious :)
# [21:58] <Ms2ger|sad> Okay
# [21:58] <RyanVM> gavin: not 3hr runtimes
# [21:58] <RyanVM> that's now
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# [22:00] <RyanVM> gavin: so I dispute your claim
# [22:00] <RyanVM> as someone who doesn't find 2-3hr test runtimes to be acceptable
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# [22:01] <@gavin> why are they only suddenly unacceptable?
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# [22:01] <RyanVM> suddenly?
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# [22:01] <RyanVM> did I just start bitching about this recently?
# [22:01] * RyanVM looks at the platform meeting notes
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# [22:01] <RyanVM> nope
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# [22:02] <jmaher> RyanVM: gavin: filed bug 992366 to do --chunk-by-dir
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# [22:02] <@gavin> RyanVM: if the platform meeting notes aren't succeeding in getting the results you want, then different strategies are required
# [22:03] <RyanVM> I'm all ears, because I agree
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# [22:03] <RyanVM> I have yet to find a good venue that a large group of people actually read
# [22:03] <@gavin> 1) get the configuration we want to work running somewhere where we can see the failures (cedar)
# [22:03] <RyanVM> mailing lists don't work
# [22:03] <@gavin> 2) make a list of prioritized bugs
# [22:03] <RyanVM> platform meetings don't work
# [22:03] <@gavin> 3) fix them
# [22:03] <@gavin> I will personally help with 2 and 3
# [22:03] <Ms2ger|sad> Heh
# [22:04] <jmaher> gavin: would a patch queue of *disabled* tests be a good work list?
# [22:04] <@gavin> you can hold me accountable for making that happen
# [22:04] <jmaher> RyanVM: be nice, gavin is trying to help
# [22:04] <RyanVM> jmaher: i'm not trying to be mean
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# [22:04] <@gavin> if the entirety of the desktop team needs to spend a week fixing tests we'll do it
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# [22:04] <RyanVM> i'm just as frustrated with the fact that I can't seem to find a place where I can communicate effectively with all relevant parties
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# [22:05] <Ms2ger|sad> gavin, I'd like that framed, pretty please ;)
# [22:05] <jmaher> gavin: we can prioritize this in a week or so- I need to get the old rev3 fedoras turned off first
# [22:05] <RyanVM> gavin: no snarkiness or sarcasm here - thank you
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# [22:06] <jmaher> how about we setup a meeting next week to outline the different approaches and a path to get to success
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# [22:07] <@gavin> sounds good
# [22:07] <RyanVM> wfm
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# [22:08] <victorporof_> RyanVM, gavin: can I join?
# [22:08] <RyanVM> hell yeah
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# [22:10] <RyanVM> gavin: I pinged a couple bugs today, from what I can see you're CCed to them. Those are the only ones that are keeping us from more consistent green now with the devtools tests split out.
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# [22:18] <@bsmedberg> jmaher: please invite me, I'll attend if I can
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# [22:19] <jmaher> bsmedberg: will do
# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: I guess we're waiting for more bc1 results before reopening fx-team?
# [22:20] <KWierso> bsmedberg: I think we're going to need to sacrifice mconley to the bc chunking gods
# [22:20] <mconley> welp
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# [22:20] <@gavin> RyanVM: my being CCed to bugs is also not really a solution that scales
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# [22:20] <KWierso> since he added a new test file that upset the delicate balance
# [22:20] <@gavin> for a problem of this magnitude we need a separate plan
# [22:20] <mconley> KWierso: whoa, that was me?
# [22:20] <@gavin> so let's make one
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# [22:21] <mconley> KWierso: which test?
# [22:21] <RyanVM> gavin: sgtm :)
# [22:21] <@gavin> RyanVM: if you have a list of bugs, send them to me in an email
# [22:21] <KWierso> mconley: 3.3 +++ b/browser/components/customizableui/test/browser_989609_bootstrapped_custom_toolbar.js
# [22:21] <RyanVM> gavin: k, will do that now
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# [22:21] <AutomatedTester> jmaher: can I be invited to that meeting too please
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# [22:22] <jmaher> AutomatedTester: yes
# [22:22] <@gavin> RyanVM: but mostly I want to focus on the issues that come up with per-directory chunking, and I think we don't have that list yet?
# [22:22] <mconley> KWierso: looks like bc# was boned before that - 10a99a32304b looks like the culprit
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# [22:22] <RyanVM> gavin: correct, and agreed
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# [22:22] <RyanVM> though most of what we're hitting now is on file from that work
# [22:22] <KWierso> mconley: something before you landed broke everything, including bc
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# [22:23] <KWierso> but that something was backed out, and now bc1 is leaking
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# [22:23] <mconley> :/
# [22:23] <mconley> my bad
# [22:23] <mconley> (please don't back me out)
# [22:23] <KWierso> how dare you add tests to your code
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# [22:23] <RyanVM> jmaher: sounds like we have another invitee :P
# [22:23] <mconley> I knew I'd regret it
# [22:23] <mconley> I was writing that regression test and going "y'know Mike, this never pays off..."
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# [22:25] <jmaher> RyanVM: invite is sent out- you and I have some data gathering to do :)
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# [22:25] <Optimizer> jmaher: is chunk by dir thing landing soon ?
# [22:25] <Ms2ger|sad> Optimizer, if it goes green
# [22:25] <Mossop> mconley: A way to avoid being backed out: Stop that test from leaking ;)
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# [22:26] <mconley> but...but it wasn't leaking
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# [22:26] <mconley> *sigh*
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# [22:26] <Optimizer> Ms2ger|sad: where can i see that ?
# [22:26] <jmaher> Optimizer: not next week type of soon, maybe I can get it this month
# [22:26] <Mossop> mconley: Really I'm just hoping you do since it is killing me on try too
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# [22:28] <mconley> Mossop: alright, well, we can try backing out just the test
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# [22:29] <Mossop> I would if you can reproduce locally by simulating the same chunking
# [22:29] <mconley> how does one do that?
# [22:30] <mconley> ./mach mochitest-browser-1?
# [22:30] <efaust> --total-chunks 3 --this-chunk 1
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# [22:30] <mconley> ah
# [22:30] <efaust> it's well laid out in ./mach help mochitest-browser, if I didn't get it exactly right
# [22:31] <Mossop> I was more thinking of just running the tabview test directory but stopping after browser_tabview_bug640765.js
# [22:31] <Optimizer> --end-at
# [22:31] <mconley> ah
# [22:31] <mconley> this is a lot better than I remember it
# [22:32] <mconley> something tells me we've been improving it. Nice.
# [22:33] <Optimizer> something tells me your inbox unread count is over 9000! :)
# [22:34] <gps> Mossop, mconley: if you are looking for bugs to fix, execute the mochitests with --shuffle. tons of interdependencies between tests :(
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# [22:35] <Mossop> gps: I more want to fix the one that blocks me
# [22:35] <mconley> "if you are looking for bugs to fix"
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# [22:36] <@ehsan> mconley: did you stop looking?
# [22:37] <mconley> never. :)
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# [22:38] <efaust> come on little builds
# [22:38] <efaust> you cna do it
# [22:38] <mconley> welp
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# [22:38] <mconley> eff it
# [22:38] <mconley> I'll just back myself out
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# [22:39] <jesup> efaust: watched pots
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# [22:39] <efaust> jesup: yeah, no kidding
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# [22:40] <Optimizer> is there a tool to autocomplete mach commands ?
# [22:40] <Optimizer> or in general any command options
# [22:40] <Optimizer> mingw here
# [22:41] <jesup> Optimizer: do some hacking on .tcsh autocompletes!
# [22:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/6a285c43e58d - Mike Conley - Backout bug 989609 (48e5925d8c81) for suspected leak in bc1 on CLOSED TREE.
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# [22:43] <gps> Optimizer: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/mach#Enable_tab_completion
# [22:43] <Optimizer> gps: whoah
# [22:43] <Optimizer> thanks
# [22:43] <Ms2ger|sad> gps, why doesn't mach setup do that?
# [22:44] <gps> Optimizer: thank mbrubeck for that!
# [22:44] <gps> Ms2ger|sad: we have a mach setup?!
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# [22:44] <Optimizer> Ms2ger|sad: not for windows, right ?
# [22:44] <Ms2ger|sad> gps, or whatever you make people do regularly
# [22:45] <Optimizer> mach build
# [22:45] <gps> it would also be rad if mach prompted you to install mach in $PATH (detecting via relative argv[0])
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# [22:48] <reuben> mbrubeck++
# [22:49] <reuben> I think Ms2ger was talking about mach bootstrap
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# [22:50] <Ms2ger|sad> I don't think so
# [22:50] <Ms2ger|sad> There's something that installs hg extensions
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# [22:51] <Ms2ger|sad> Sounds plausible
# [22:51] <Ms2ger|sad> jcranmer|away, should I read the c-c thread?
# [22:51] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger|sad: mm?
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# [22:52] <Ms2ger|sad> jcranmer|away, wondering whether there's anything useful in that thread or if I should just mute it
# [22:52] <jcranmer|away> well
# [22:52] <jcranmer|away> most of the discussion has basically focused on atomic commits and codesize
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# [22:53] <gps> jcranmer|away: of which only the first one is relevant :)
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# [22:53] <jcranmer|away> gps: well, I would like to think that I've conclusively shown that the impact of comm-central landing in mozilla-central is minimal in terms of .hg size
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# [22:54] <jcranmer|away> the question is if people like bsmedberg are convinced by those points
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# [22:56] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger|sad: I did bury a graph showing the inexorable growth of mozilla-central in the discussion somewhere
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# [23:05] <Optimizer> is this failure known : https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4760895 ?
# [23:05] <Optimizer> almost perma orange on windows opt try
# [23:05] <@smaug> ted: ping
# [23:06] <shu> bz: ping
# [23:07] <bz> shu: ack
# [23:07] <shu> bz: what is the piece of glue needed if i want to make a piece of chrome JS code available to be called from inside C++?
# [23:07] <shu> bz: is there an example i can look at somewhere?
# [23:07] <bz> So there are two pieces that matter here
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# [23:07] <bz> 1) How will C++ get its hands on the JS Function in question?
# [23:08] <bz> 2) How will it be reflected into C++?
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# [23:08] <bz> In your case, what's the answer to #1?
# [23:08] <bz> Is this chrome JS handing a Function to be called later to C++?
# [23:08] <bz> Or is this C++ having to go out and hunt down the right Function somehow?
# [23:08] <shu> bz: the latter
# [23:08] <bz> (this affects the best way to handle #2, which is why I ask)
# [23:09] <bz> Then you probably want a JS-implemented XPCOM component
# [23:09] <bz> And C++ would createInstance or getService it, as appropriate
# [23:09] <bz> at least assuming you're not inside spidermonkey
# [23:09] <shu> bz: i'm inside nsGlobalWindow.cpp
# [23:09] <bz> ok
# [23:09] <bz> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Implementing_XPCOM_components_in_JavaScript ?
# [23:10] <shu> bz: looks like the info i need. thanks!
# [23:10] <bz> There might be some shortcuts you can take in our own code...
# [23:10] <bz> e.g. XPCOMUtils.generateNSGetFactory
# [23:11] <bz> which is likely a good thing to search for in our code to see how we do these things in practice
# [23:11] <shu> bz: okay
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# [23:15] <@gavin> shu: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/sample/nsSample.js?force=1 is a sample component
# [23:15] <@gavin> looks to have been kept up to date with most modern practices
# [23:16] <shu> gavin: oooh even better
# [23:16] <@gavin> shu: (although it tries to be compatible with 1.9.2, which you wouldn't really worry about most likely)
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# [23:17] <glandium> romaxa: file a bug, cc gps
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# [23:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/6c645149408f - Aki Sasaki - bug 991393 - flame in-tree configs. r=catlee DONTBUILD
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# [23:33] <mrbkap> gavin: What's the chrome version of setTimeout(dosomething, 0)?
# [23:33] <@gavin> mrbkap: well, setTimeout if you have a window
# [23:33] <mrbkap> gavin: i.e. I've promised an async function call and just need to wait until the event loop ticks.
# [23:33] <@gavin> mrbkap: Timer.jsm if you don't
# [23:33] <mrbkap> gavin: I'm in a component.
# [23:33] <mrbkap> gavin: okay, cool.
# [23:33] <@gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/modules/Timer.jsm
# [23:35] <mjrosenb> soooo, does anyone not in america want to do me a favor?
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# [23:37] <RyanVM> gavin: about that email I sent you - I think the bug query is more useful than the few bugs I named specifically since the results vary by run. But the bugs jmaher filed for the per-directory runs are really what's being tickled on Cedar anyway, so ultimately those are what need fixing.
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# [23:41] <@gavin> RyanVM: ok
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# [23:43] <jcranmer|away> mjrosenb: there are people not in america!?
# [23:43] <mjrosenb> jcranmer|away: evidently!
# [23:44] <mjrosenb> jcranmer|away: fujitsu claims that it can't sell me a laptop because I live in america
# [23:44] <mjrosenb> so unless they're just making these thing, and burning them
# [23:44] <mjrosenb> I guess people live elsewhere!
# [23:45] <jcranmer|away> mjrosenb: well, they could just be not making them
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# [23:47] <mrbkap> mjrosenb: as an American, it is my firm belief that the US of A is the only country on the face of the Earth.
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# [23:47] <mrbkap> mjrosenb: And the rest of the "news" is actually fictional, made for my enjoyment.
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# [23:47] <mrbkap> In Hollywood, natch.
# [23:47] <sfink> wait, Hollywood really exists?!
# [23:47] <mjrosenb> mrbkap: hrmm, maybe we should invade fujitsu then.
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# [23:47] <mrbkap> sfink: I've seen the sign on my TV, so it must.
# [23:48] <vikstrous> Hey guys, I think that this patch is about to break nightly tonight. Can someone revert it? I'm not sure what the right process for this is. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986160
# [23:49] <mjrosenb> vikstrous: usually the sherrifs will catch this stuff
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# [23:50] <RyanVM> ouch
# [23:50] <RyanVM> KWierso ^
# [23:50] <RyanVM> mjrosenb: not if it doesn't hit tbpl
# [23:50] * RyanVM wonders if that's why his local build is dying...
# [23:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e3c78a0e0795 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 971222 - Small cleanup around prompt code. r=bzbarsky
# [23:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db0495da89ba - Blake Kaplan - Bug 899648 - Initial patch to make tab-modal prompts work. Original patch from Tom Schuster <evilpies@gmail.com>. r=dolske
# [23:51] <mrbkap> cpeterson: ^-- ;)
# [23:51] <RyanVM> KWierso: not sure what your merge plans are, but you may want to back that out from m-c if you're not sure about getting it from inbound today
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# [23:52] <mjrosenb> RyanVM: I said "usually"
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# [23:52] <cpeterson> mrbkap: \o/ I just hope the patch actually fixes my bookmarklet prompt problem..
# [23:52] <mrbkap> cpeterson: me too.
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# [23:52] <mrbkap> cpeterson: if not, find me on Monday and I'll debug.
# [23:52] <RyanVM> mjrosenb: it wouldn't have made it to m-c if the sheriffs were going to do something
# [23:53] <cpeterson> mrbkap++
# [23:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2ec0a91f244f - Branislav Rankov - Bug 985876 - IonMonkey MIPS: Refactor shared Baseline and MacroAssembler code to be compatible with MIPS. r=sstangl
# [23:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68d5ad5a7f7b - Branislav Rankov - Bug 985876 - IonMonkey MIPS: Refactor shared CodeGenerator code to be compatible with MIPS. r=sstangl
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# [23:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/239013bcaf7f - Branislav Rankov - Bug 985876 - IonMonkey MIPS: Moved PushRegsInMask, PopRegsInMaskIgnore and clampDoubleToUint8 to architecture specific files. r=sstangl
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# [23:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5fa70bd90a8b - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 1e38b4aa8889 (bug 986160) for breaking Nightly builds
# [23:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d557bcfcecb0 - Sean Stangl - Bug 985876 - Follow-up: remove unnecessary masm.and32(). no_r
# [23:56] <vikstrous> Thanks guys.
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# [23:58] <KWierso> vikstrous: thanks for bring it up :)
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