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3. # [00:00] <philor> hwine: template needs moar cc:'s!
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5. # [00:00] <hwine> philor: it's a wiki! :)
6. # [00:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/20a18be004c7 - David Burns - Bug 1004089: Allow frame switching in marionette when switching by index and the frame is OOP; r=mdas
7. # [00:00] <philor> it's my lunch hour!
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9. # [00:01] <AutomatedTester> KWierso: can you keep an eye on ^ for Mnw ?
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12. # [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d411b8472391 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 992118 - Correctly handle the underscore in the LANG environment variable; r=smaug
13. # [00:02] <KWierso> AutomatedTester: sure
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15. # [00:02] <Waldo> philor|away: man does not live on bread alone
16. # [00:02] <AutomatedTester> KWierso: <3
17. # [00:02] <Waldo> philor|away: wiki edits (particularly on mana) are also good
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23. # [00:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/affd460bc3d7 - Camilo Viecco - Bug 744204 - Allow Certificate key pinning Part 2 - Certverifier Interface. r=keeler
24. # [00:03] <hwine> does anyone use mana /troll
25. # [00:03] <billm> mt: ping
26. # [00:04] <Waldo> hwine: all the cool kids I know don't, certainly! :-)
27. # [00:04] <hwine> mchang: thanks for that attachment - very interesting
28. # [00:05] <Ms2ger> Boo, mana
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31. # [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab6da1212288 - Steven Michaud - Bug 1002564 - All crashes with reason EXC_BAD_ACCESS / 0x0000000d have a 32-bit crash address. r=ted
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64. # [00:16] <billm> mt: ping
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70. # [00:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4c4d621eeada - Randell Jesup - Bug 985253: Send rtcp-fb for all video codecs, and fix answer generation for H.264 for rtcp-fb r=ehugg
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84. # [00:23] <mt> billm: pong
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86. # [00:23] <billm> mt: do you have some time to talk about your webrtc patch?
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88. # [00:24] <mt> billm: sure
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100. # [00:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/762f8c20a109 - Monica Chew - Bug 998057: Add test pinset to the pin generator (r=cviecco)
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105. # [00:35] <vladan> Thanks for the heads up. Dhaval showed up at my office yesterday around lunch time, unannounced, after more than a year of non-communication with me. He essentially went into a rant about his internship at Mozilla, saying that I had only heard one side of the story. I had to stop him and let him know that I was unable to work with him any further, and I would have to pursue termination of his degree.
106. # [00:35] <vladan> ^^ wrong window
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108. # [00:38] <RyanVM|afk> Gijs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=992911
109. # [00:39] <Gijs> RyanVM|afk: thanks!
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112. # [00:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5625f2879911 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 1003921: Use NS_WARN_IF_FALSE instead of NS_WARN_IF to fix warning in mozStorageAsyncStatementExecution.cpp. r=mak
113. # [00:43] <KWierso> RyanVM|afk: any ideas on that m1 orange on b-i? looks like it came in on that merge
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118. # [00:46] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso: that one's been floating around for a day or two now
119. # [00:46] <RyanVM|afk> see bu g973135
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126. # [00:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/738076b1f51c - Dan Gohman - Bug 1004221 - SpiderMonkey: Delete unnecessary format string escapes. r=sstangl
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132. # [00:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/bd20a12260ea - Lucas Rocha - Bug 975091 - Use wrap_content height params in PanelArticleItem (r=margaret) a=lsblakk
133. # [00:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d9336eebf796 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 999760 - Apply padding to entire article item view. r=liuche a=lsblakk
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164. # [01:10] * NeilAway wonders who exports NS_CStringGetData
165. # [01:11] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: I don't think that's the only string function exported from libxul
166. # [01:12] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: strange, because I seem to be linking to libxul, so I'm not sure why I'm not finding it
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171. # [01:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2468eeb92c8d - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 995745 - Use LockPixels for WebGL readback directly into a DrawTarget instead of writing to an immutable snapshot. r=mattwoodrow
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185. # [01:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/df672b407eae - Mark Hammond - Bug 1003641 - add MOZ_LOOP configure variable. r=ted
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193. # [01:25] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: hmm, my libxul.so isn't exporting that symbol although you're right that it should be
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195. # [01:26] <bjacob> froydnj: i found an issue in my patch. The value of NoIndex changes from uint32_t(-1) to size_t(-1). Code that calls IndexOf and casts the result to uint32_t is now broken. Going over callers now.
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201. # [01:32] <philor> mconnor / KWierso : bustage
202. # [01:33] <KWierso> philor: oh nice, tbpl silently stopped updating for the last hour
203. # [01:35] <philor> KWierso: might have been builds-4hr that did, they seemed pretty sudden to me too
204. # [01:35] <philor> wouldn't be surprised if the nagios alert about it got shut off, back when it was alerting and then we'd shout and then it would recover ten minutes later
205. # [01:35] <BenWa> nbp: Any ETA for bug 988332. I have some time to build the UI piece
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207. # [01:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c81fc739e7f - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 7a4f15c7cec5 (bug 1003159) for m-oth bustage on a CLOSED TREE
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210. # [01:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/19cc77898fa6 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 1 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
211. # [01:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/38ba125c05c5 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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227. # [01:47] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: so, deleted my libxul.so and it was relinked with the right symbols, so not sure what happened there
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232. # [01:49] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: *shrug* I'm not really sure why that's stuff that needs to be shared between in libxul and outside it anyway
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234. # [01:50] <mjrosenb> did we add a search field to the new tab page?
235. # [01:51] <philor> yes
236. # [01:51] <mjrosenb> interesting. it looks quite out of place.
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238. # [01:52] <philor> it looks better if you click the little square of nine squares icon in the upper right corner
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240. # [01:53] <mjrosenb> philor: not really?
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243. # [01:54] <Gijs> bholley: can you CC me on bug 980537? :)
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246. # [01:55] <bholley> Gijs: I did, didn't I?
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249. # [01:55] <bholley> Gijs: oh, I didn't. CCed now
250. # [01:55] <Gijs> thanks!
251. # [01:55] <bholley> Gijs: your email and gabors are unfortunately quite similar to the untrained eye
252. # [01:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/76eede9ccce5 - Vincent Chang - Bug 996588 - Unable to connect to wifi network with double quotes (") in ssid. r=fabrice
253. # [01:56] <Gijs> bholley: huh, interesting!
254. # [01:56] <Gijs> that is a complaint about my name that I have not heard before. :)
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257. # [01:57] <bholley> Gijs: the edit distance is actually quite small, I think
258. # [01:57] <bholley> Gijs: well, maybe not
259. # [01:57] <bholley> the bosch part
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261. # [01:59] <KWierso> froydnj: ping
262. # [01:59] <Gijs> bholley: heh, alright :)
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264. # [01:59] <froydnj> KWierso: pong
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266. # [02:00] <KWierso> froydnj: looks like you're crashing android mochitests?
267. # [02:00] <KWierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=38835732&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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269. # [02:00] <KWierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=38835720&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
270. # [02:00] <KWierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=38835712&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
271. # [02:00] <froydnj> huh, pretty sure that was green on try, let me look
272. # [02:01] <froydnj> KWierso: this is what I had: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=06d125208d6d
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275. # [02:02] <froydnj> those tests are also green on later pushes *shrug*
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278. # [02:03] <KWierso> froydnj: huh
279. # [02:03] <KWierso> so they are...
280. # [02:03] <KWierso> froydnj: unping :)
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283. # [02:03] <froydnj> o/~ I fought the law o/~ :)
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298. # [02:11] <seth> is FindInReadable seriously the best way to check if one string contains another?
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308. # [02:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/aed338f33904 - Dave Hylands - Bug 993737 - Only fire shutdown notifications on main thread. r=gsvelto
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372. # [03:05] <KWierso> "WebIDL file dom/webidl/WorkerNavigator.webidl altered in this changeset without DOM peer review"
373. # [03:05] <KWierso> ...no?
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377. # [03:09] <KWierso> fubar: ping
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394. # [03:21] <froydnj> KWierso: those failures do look consistent on my push, very strange
395. # [03:22] <KWierso> froydnj: I'm triggering android builds on the previous pushes
396. # [03:22] <KWierso> for fun
397. # [03:23] <froydnj> KWierso: some sort of clobber issue...somehow?
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402. # [03:31] <seth> grr, change a parameter's type from uint32_t to bool, recompile hoping to find out which call sites need to be updated... and the build succeeds.
403. # [03:31] <seth> they call this static typing?!
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433. # [03:47] <bjacob> how do i run locally xpcom tests, like TestTArray ?
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437. # [03:49] <bjacob> nevermind got it
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444. # [03:52] <glandium> sigh. second time today i want to push something and the tree is closed :(
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446. # [03:53] <shu> i'm unsure why inbound is still closed
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451. # [04:02] <bjacob> seth: integer types mutual compatibility is the gaping hole in c++'s strong-typedness
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455. # [04:04] <seth> bjacob: yup. it's especially awful to me in the case of bool, which doesn't strike me as an integer type at all (though i suppose this approach was taken to match pre-bool C)
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457. # [04:05] <shu> it's just like uint1_t
458. # [04:05] <seth> shu: hah, true
459. # [04:05] <seth> semantically it seems pretty different to me though
460. # [04:05] * reuben ran into that with char vs int8_t
461. # [04:05] <reuben> guess what this does |int8_t foo = 10; cout << foo << endl;|
462. # [04:05] <bjacob> seth: i think 10 years down the road it will be considered bad form to use builtin types and everyone will use their own class types wrapping them but removing implicit casting; c++11 literal types are a step in this direction, gradually class types can more and more be used as plain builtin integer types.
463. # [04:06] <seth> reuben: prints a newline i'm guessing? =)
464. # [04:06] <bjacob> no
465. # [04:06] <bjacob> int8_t != char
466. # [04:06] <bjacob> so this prints 10
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468. # [04:06] <bjacob> (unless on a broken compiler)
469. # [04:07] <bjacob> wait.... right? right?
470. # [04:07] * bjacob doubts
471. # [04:07] <reuben> seth: yep. or whatever 10 is
472. # [04:07] <jcranmer> bjacob: but if std::ostream::operator<<(signed/unsigned char) aren't provided, what does signed char get cast to
473. # [04:07] * bjacob checks..
474. # [04:07] <shu> does it cast a void**
475. # [04:07] <shu> to a
476. # [04:07] <shu> i bet that's what it casts to
477. # [04:07] <seth> bjacob: yeah, newtype everything is probably the best bet
478. # [04:08] <jcranmer> and can we please make new integers throw exceptions on overflows instead of silently wrapping"
479. # [04:08] <jcranmer> ?
480. # [04:08] <seth> shu: i'd kinda expect to get the address for any pointer except a char*
481. # [04:08] <seth> (though i'd don't really know)
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484. # [04:08] <shu> char * is special somehow?
485. # [04:09] <seth> shu: for c string compatibility, yeah
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487. # [04:09] <seth> pretty sure that works
488. # [04:09] <shu> seth: i see
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490. # [04:09] <seth> jcranmer: i'm very pro that. i'd like a builtin bigint type in C++, too.
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492. # [04:09] <bjacob> ok, confirmed, int8_t != char ...
493. # [04:09] <seth> (well builtin as in: in the standard library)
494. # [04:09] <reuben> bjacob: sounds like a bug in clang then
495. # [04:10] <seth> bjacob: what is int8_t typedef'd to, then? i'd have fully expected char
496. # [04:10] <bjacob> reuben: i get the same result on both clang 3.4 and gcc 4.8, int8_t != char
497. # [04:11] <jcranmer> bjacob: I bet std::ostream::operator<<(signed char) doesn't exist
498. # [04:11] <bjacob> seth: signed char
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500. # [04:11] <bjacob> signed char != char
501. # [04:11] <jcranmer> but std::ostream::operator<<(char) does
502. # [04:11] <bjacob> jcranmer: sounds like a good bet
503. # [04:11] <bjacob> so i was wrong, too
504. # [04:11] <jcranmer> so the compiler converts signed char to char instead of unsigned int
505. # [04:11] <bjacob> i guess
506. # [04:11] <jcranmer> er, signed int
507. # [04:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5e319b96c52f - Mike Hommey - Bug 1003537 - Turn config.status executable in MOZ_CREATE_CONFIG_STATUS instead of MOZ_RUN_CONFIG_STATUS. r=mshal
508. # [04:11] <bjacob> jcranmer: i see
509. # [04:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24359653cf0a - Mike Hommey - Bug 999913 - Enable replace-malloc on nightly builds. r=mshal
510. # [04:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35e7af3e86fd - Mike Hommey - Bug 961264 - Remove checks for visibility pragmas and attributes in gcc. r=ted
511. # [04:12] <bjacob> jcranmer: so is the conversion implementation -defined then ?
512. # [04:12] <reuben> bjacob: yeah, I was talking about ostream in particular. not sure what the actual definition is: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5024650
513. # [04:12] <bjacob> i see
514. # [04:13] <reuben> same for uint8_t, FWIW
515. # [04:13] <bjacob> reuben: btw here's my test program, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5024665
516. # [04:13] <seth> bjacob: ah yes, i forgot about the char/unsigned char/signed char triumvirate
517. # [04:13] <jcranmer> oh, lovely
518. # [04:13] <jcranmer> poking libc++
519. # [04:13] <jcranmer> it does define the signed and char overloads
520. # [04:13] <jcranmer> that act exactly like the char overload
521. # [04:13] <bjacob> hahahaha
522. # [04:14] <jcranmer> so blame a broken standard library
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524. # [04:14] <bjacob> jcranmer: are compilers forced to implement int8_t == signed char? it would make so much more sense as its own separate type.
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528. # [04:15] <jcranmer> bjacob: probably?
529. # [04:15] <jcranmer> I'm not going to read the spec minutiae right now, since I turned off the computer that has all that stuff
530. # [04:16] <bjacob> so if i were the dictator of c++
531. # [04:16] <jcranmer> in any case, at this point, changing it is ABI-incompatible
532. # [04:16] <bjacob> i would remove all integer types except sized ones
533. # [04:16] <jcranmer> and intptr_t
534. # [04:17] <bjacob> that would be a builtin typedef to int32/64_t
535. # [04:17] <bjacob> but char/short/int/long --> goodbye
536. # [04:18] <bjacob> right we need a character type :) keep char then but as separate type :)
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538. # [04:19] <Unfocused> bjacob: rogue
539. # [04:19] <bjacob> glandium: red on inbound
540. # [04:19] <cpeterson> bjacob: you want char8_t, char16_t, and char32_t.
541. # [04:19] <bjacob> cpeterson: that sounds fine.
542. # [04:19] <philor> glandium: bustage
543. # [04:20] <reuben> bjacob: jcranmer: spec just says "typedef signed integer type int8_t;"
544. # [04:20] <glandium> philor: gah
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549. # [04:22] <reuben> and the C spec expands "The typedef name intN_t designates a signed integer type with width N , no padding bits, and a two’s complement representation. Thus, int8_t denotes a signed integer type with a width of exactly 8 bits."
550. # [04:22] <reuben> looks like library implementations are just lazy
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553. # [04:24] <glandium> philor: the osx opt bustage is ... interesting...
554. # [04:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf7655b24009 - Mike Hommey - Backout changeset 24359653cf0a (bug 999913) for bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
555. # [04:25] <jcranmer> reuben: how would you implement int8_t as a library?
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559. # [04:26] <reuben> jcranmer: I'm just using terms from the spec. stdint.h is in "Library"
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561. # [04:27] <glandium> aaah i forgot the i386 part on osx doesn't have jemalloc
562. # [04:27] <jcranmer> the only integer types are char, short, int, long, long long, and "extended integer types"
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568. # [04:31] <philor> oh!
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570. # [04:32] <Callek> PRInt?
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577. # [04:33] <darkowlz_> do `hover` on XUL documents work? I am not able to see any change when applied.
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581. # [04:35] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: If by documents you mean some element, then yes.
582. # [04:36] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: How are you trying to use "hover"?
583. # [04:36] <JosiahOne> As a CSS pseudo class or from JS?
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587. # [04:36] <reuben> jcranmer: FWIW, the standard mandates the (un)signed char overload has to act like the char overload
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591. # [04:37] <reuben> looks like it's simpler than what I assumed. int8_t is a different type, but there's no ostream::operator<<(int8_t)
592. # [04:37] <reuben> good! :)
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595. # [04:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6349837631e5 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 920292 - Check the types of assert conditions - r=froydnj
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602. # [04:45] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: JS can't access any "hover" state easily. There is no hover attribute if that's what you wanted.
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605. # [04:48] <jcranmer> reuben: int8_t *is* a signed char
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614. # [04:53] <Mook> JosiahOne: there's element.mozMatchesSelector(':hover')?
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618. # [04:55] <JosiahOne> Mook: Oh that's right.
619. # [04:55] <JosiahOne> I keep hoping eventually that will get unprefixed.
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621. # [04:56] <Mook> I hope for a pony, and haven't seen one around yet
622. # [04:57] <JosiahOne> Heh.
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626. # [04:57] <JosiahOne> I don't know why you would want one. Seems like a big hassle.
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628. # [04:58] <Mook> Well, I sort of assumed more somebody else's pony that I get to play with whenever I want. The same approach works well for dogs and children, too!
629. # [04:59] <JosiahOne> That's a great approach to those things actually.
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632. # [05:00] <darkowlz_> JosiahOne: hi, so if I want a crosshair when the mouse pointer is over the tabs, any way to do that?
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634. # [05:00] <darkowlz_> Mook: ^
635. # [05:01] <Mook> darkowlz_: use css?
636. # [05:01] <Mook> I mean, that's sort of what cursor: is for, right?
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639. # [05:02] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: .tabbrowser-tab:hover { cursor :crosshair };
640. # [05:02] <darkowlz_> yea, so I added .tabbrowser-tab: {} oh!
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643. # [05:02] <JosiahOne> cursor: crosshair; I mean
644. # [05:02] <darkowlz_> yea, I did that in devtools toolbox, no change
645. # [05:02] <JosiahOne> .tabbrowser-tab:hover { cursor: crosshair; }
646. # [05:03] <darkowlz_> here is what I made, https://github.com/darkowlzz/shootem
647. # [05:03] <darkowlz_> click and close the tabs
648. # [05:03] <darkowlz_> but, I am struggling to get a crosshair
649. # [05:04] <Mook> I don't see any css at all in that?
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651. # [05:04] <JosiahOne> Yeah.
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654. # [05:04] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: If you want to do it in pure JS you will need to setup a listener.
655. # [05:04] <darkowlz_> yes, no css yet. I am trying to find how to do that
656. # [05:05] <mmc> sherriffs, i did an unkosher backout just now, sorry
657. # [05:05] <darkowlz_> JosiahOne: listener to?
658. # [05:05] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: ".tabbrowser-tab:hover { cursor: crosshair; }" will work, if your CSS is setup properly.
659. # [05:05] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: onmouseenter and onmouseexit I believe.
660. # [05:05] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: But CSS only is a much better way to do things.
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662. # [05:06] <darkowlz_> err.. that add-on is a jetpack add-on. How do I do they on the fly? restartless. any interfaces?
663. # [05:07] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: I've never made an add-on, so I can't tell you. What I can tell you is that you'll want a CSS file that allows you to style the chrome.
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665. # [05:08] <darkowlz_> how do I override browser.css or append it...
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667. # [05:08] <JosiahOne> I believe you need to create a browser.xul overlay and add a stylesheet.
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669. # [05:09] <darkowlz_> that's the problem, overlays are not allowed in restartless add-ons
670. # [05:09] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: Well then you may need to do JS only.
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672. # [05:10] <darkowlz_> I got the chrome document by registering a notifier in windowWatcher
673. # [05:10] <darkowlz_> and then I query for #tabbrowser-tab
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675. # [05:10] <Mook> nsIStyleSheetService?
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678. # [05:12] <darkowlz_> btw, JosiahOne how do you add hover via js?
679. # [05:12] <darkowlz_> I have the tabbrowser-tab element
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682. # [05:14] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: Well, approach one is like so: http://jsfiddle.net/RyzMn/
683. # [05:14] <JosiahOne> Use mouseenter() and mouseleave()
684. # [05:15] <JosiahOne> You want to set something to make sure mouseenter() was the most recent call.
685. # [05:15] <JosiahOne> s/You/You'll
686. # [05:15] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: Or you could use mouseover() and mouseleave().
687. # [05:16] <darkowlz_> yea, that could be done. Lemme try, if it works
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691. # [05:21] <Mook> and for css, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/SDK/High-Level_APIs/self#data.url%28name%29 can get you a url, and create a <html:style> and link to it or something
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697. # [05:24] <darkowlz_> JosiahOne, Mook that works!
698. # [05:24] <darkowlz_> eventListener one :)
699. # [05:24] <darkowlz_> it's + on tabbrowser
700. # [05:24] <darkowlz_> cool!
701. # [05:24] <darkowlz_> thanks guys :)
702. # [05:25] <JosiahOne> No problem.
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704. # [05:26] <darkowlz_> but, there is 1 more thing. Right now, I was reaching the window and then the chrome document by listening to 'domwindowopened' with a notifier on windowwatcher. This requires opening a new Window. How do I get the chrome document of an existing window?
705. # [05:26] <darkowlz_> JosiahOne: any idea?
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707. # [05:27] <darkowlz_> Mook: ^
708. # [05:28] <Mook> nsIWindowMediator's getEnumerator?
709. # [05:28] <JosiahOne> darkowlz_: Have you seen https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Working_with_windows_in_chrome_code ?
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711. # [05:28] <darkowlz_> oh! I was lightly reading that. Okay, understood. Lemme deep read and get it
712. # [05:28] <darkowlz_> thanks again :)
713. # [05:29] <JosiahOne> No problem.
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747. # [05:59] <jcranmer> gah
748. # [05:59] <jcranmer> the problem with hidden visibility is tryin to export stuff
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751. # [06:01] <Unfocused> so, what you're saying is, the problem with hidden visibility is that isn't not visible?
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753. # [06:02] <jcranmer> no, that you have to jump through several hoops to make a class visible
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875. # [07:50] <paul> glob: ping? I think I didn't get most of my bugmails last night, and got multiple copies of the same bugmail (one comment received multiple times). Any known issue?
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877. # [07:50] <glob> paul, nope; you're the first to mention that
878. # [07:50] <glob> paul, what's your email addr?
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880. # [07:50] <paul> glob: paul@m.com
881. # [07:51] <paul> glob: @mozilla.com
882. # [07:51] <glob> paul, can you give me a bug number where you received dupes?
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884. # [07:51] <paul> glob: every time sys.sgx sent a comment in bug 1003526, I got it 3 times.
885. # [07:52] <paul> I think it was only changes by sys.sgx, but I'm not 100%
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888. # [07:55] <glob> paul, the bugzilla logs show it as only being sent once. can you forward me a set of 3 duplicates and include the full email headers please? (glob@m.c)
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890. # [07:55] <paul> glob: wait… I think I figured, give me 2 minutes
891. # [07:55] <glob> paul, i don't see any gap in the stream of bugmail heading your way
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893. # [07:56] <glob> k
894. # [07:56] <paul> wtf
895. # [07:56] <paul> apparently, all my emails accounts are cc'ed in this bug (paul.rouget at gmail, me at paulrouget.com, paul at mozilla.com)
896. # [07:56] <nigelb> haha
897. # [07:56] <glob> XD
898. # [07:57] <nigelb> You *really* need to know about this bug :P
899. # [07:57] <paul> apparently :)
900. # [07:57] * glob looks for other paul accounts to cc there
901. # [07:57] <paul> I didn't even know I had 3 email addresses registered in bugzilla
902. # [07:57] <glob> paul, do you need 3 accounts?
903. # [07:57] <glob> i guess not
904. # [07:58] <glob> paul, to PM!
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913. # [08:04] <glob> Unfocused, good luck with activating those accounts
914. # [08:04] <Unfocused> aw
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916. # [08:08] <nigelb> The trick is to register it with your email, but have it forwarded to paul ;)
917. # [08:08] <nigelb> I mean, er... nothing.
918. # [08:09] <Unfocused> heh
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930. # [08:24] <paul> :)
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937. # [08:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d26d6aab28da - Chris Peterson - Bug 1003702 - Suppress clang warnings in third-party code: ICU. r=glandium
938. # [08:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2dabaf1087cd - Chris Peterson - Bug 1002891 - Fix -Wunused-variable warning in storage. r=mak
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947. # [08:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f77407d1839 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 1002729 - Avoid problems with ternary expressions and static const integers with no definition. r=jesup
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966. # [09:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e5eb6a1b0a8 - Jan Beich - Bug 1004183: Unbreak build with --disable-webrtc after bug 907352 r=jib
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970. # [09:01] <jesup> red on inbound (cpeterson)
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974. # [09:02] <jesup> looks like d26d6aab28da
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976. # [09:03] <jesup> I'll back it out
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979. # [09:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6dd7032e3da - Randell Jesup - Backout d26d6aab28da (bug 1003702) for breaking everything
980. # [09:07] * jesup takes off his sheriff hat
981. # [09:08] * nigelb hasn't been wearing his sheriff hat this week.
982. # [09:09] <jesup> starred those that have already failed
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998. # [09:26] <jesup> ok, perhaps we need a real sheriff. I suspect(?) we might need a clobber. Clearly the patch I backed out caused the red, but now backing it out didn't fix things
999. # [09:26] <jesup> philor|away: ping
1000. # [09:26] <Ms2ger> Good morning
1001. # [09:26] <Ms2ger> Calling deputy nigelb
1002. # [09:27] <jesup> I don't know enough about the ICU config weirdnesses to know the correct action at this point
1003. # [09:28] <nigelb> Ms2ger: This is beyong me as well. Now is the time to wear your robe and hat! :P
1004. # [09:28] <nigelb> *beyond
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1006. # [09:29] <jesup> Clobber is all I can think of. With that backed out, there's no reason ICU should be unhappy (and the error implies clobber)
1007. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> Hold my beer
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1012. # [09:33] <NeilAway> seth: for case insensitive finding of utf-16 strings, yes, otherwise use Find
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1015. # [09:34] <Ms2ger> I spit in it
1016. # [09:34] * capella spits in your general direction
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1025. # [09:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57ed333a91f1 - Ms2ger - Bug 1003702 - Update the CLOBBER file to hopefully make the builds happy.
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1254. # [14:03] <RealRaven> Is there a bug about strange distortions in Tb29? It acts shitty, like Firefox used to do. Blurred fonts, smeared images when scrolling
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1260. # [14:12] <RealRaven> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1004441
1261. # [14:13] <RealRaven> It looks quite disgusting :P
1262. # [14:13] <gcp> can you try the workaround for firefox?
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1264. # [14:14] <RealRaven> I don't quite remember but is it gfx.direct2d.disabled = true ?
1265. # [14:14] <gcp> layout.paint_rects_separately
1266. # [14:14] <gcp> add that pref as a bool, set to true
1267. # [14:14] <RealRaven> or it was siomething with azure... can;t rememebr
1268. # [14:14] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812695#c414
1269. # [14:14] <RealRaven> Oh I thought it was gfx
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1271. # [14:15] <gcp> That workaround only disables the broken thing on those cards instead of all 2D accel.
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1273. # [14:15] <RealRaven> ok, let me check. You say it [layout.paint_rects_separately] doesn't even exist???
1274. # [14:16] <gcp> It needs to be created.
1275. # [14:16] <RealRaven> ok, done. do I need to restart Tb?
1276. # [14:16] <gcp> yes
1277. # [14:16] <RealRaven> ok, brb ...
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1281. # [14:18] <RealRaven> gcp: back.
1282. # [14:19] <RealRaven> So far looks good. I need to test drive it for a while to make sure this is really the issue. Should I try same in Fx and switch off the direct2d setting?
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1284. # [14:20] <gcp> If you disabled hw accel because you had the same problem, then yes, that workaround is a far superior solution.
1285. # [14:20] <RealRaven> ok, let me try it in Fx as well.
1286. # [14:21] <RealRaven> ONce I know it is that shall I mark mine as duplicate?
1287. # [14:21] <gcp> Maybe put the link to the workaround in the comment.
1288. # [14:21] <RealRaven> ok, definitely
1289. # [14:22] <RealRaven> that would be . . https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812695#c383 ?
1290. # [14:22] <gcp> 414
1291. # [14:22] <gcp> like it says in the bug title
1292. # [14:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/720a660bac20 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 1003812 - Check for Windows 8 SDK for building Gamepad on Windows. r=glandium
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1295. # [14:23] <RealRaven> ok. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812695#c414
1296. # [14:24] <RealRaven> I think it would be great if there were some advanced interfaces for these settings. A LOT of people have Radeon HD cards these days. They're cheap!
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1298. # [14:24] <RealRaven> Maybe a good job for an Addon?
1299. # [14:25] <RealRaven> MKaybe I can get bananabread to work on my browser again :-) Last time it was really really slow
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1302. # [14:27] <gcp> it's not "radeon HD", it's that very specific hardware revision that's years and years old
1303. # [14:28] <RealRaven> gcp: is this workaround specific to windows graphics drivers?
1304. # [14:28] <gcp> AFAIK the plan was to make that workaround the default when it gets to the same performance as the regular rendering
1305. # [14:28] <gcp> RealRaven: I think so.
1306. # [14:28] <NeilAway> who knows about drawWindow?
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1308. # [14:29] <RealRaven> gcp: sounds good to me. as long is it affects just a minority of users. My daughet has the same Graphics Card. Cheap and Cheerful 8)
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1310. # [14:29] <gcp> From what I know it's specifically HD4xxx on Windows 7+specific update or WIndows 8.x
1311. # [14:29] <RealRaven> NeilAway: is that a WM_PAINT command? Back in the day I was great on windows graphics API. Windows 95 that was
1312. # [14:29] <NeilAway> RealRaven: no, it's a method on <canvas>
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1314. # [14:30] <RealRaven> NeilAway: Cool. great to see that familiar sounding API names are reused :)
1315. # [14:30] <gcp> RealRaven: fwiw, when we asked AMD to fix the bug, they claimed they had no more of those cards to debug it on.
1316. # [14:30] <RealRaven> Them were the days
1317. # [14:31] <RealRaven> hehehe! XD XD ROFL. I must be a cheapskate
1318. # [14:31] <RealRaven> Yeah I haven't changed mny graphics card in, like 4 or 5 years. It still runs GTA4 or GRID2 like there's no tomorrow.
1319. # [14:31] <RealRaven> And uses about 1/4 of the power of nowadays graphics cards
1320. # [14:32] <NeilAway> gcp: rofl
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1322. # [14:33] <RealRaven> gcp: thanks for your help. I updated my bug accordingly. Will mark resolved at the weekend if the issue doesn't resurface
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1328. # [14:36] <NeilAway> happy mailing list reminder day
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1344. # [14:47] <RealRaven> gcp: there is probably a tradeoff, as http://www.scirra.com/labs/particlesdemo/ runs with 55 fps in chrome but only 8fps in Fx. Althought chrome has only 1 tab open, Fx has about 40
1345. # [14:48] <RealRaven> So I would probably have to use chrome for 2d games
1346. # [14:48] <RealRaven> (not that I play 2d games)
1347. # [14:48] <gcp> the influence of that setting is minimal, iirc
1348. # [14:48] <gcp> more likely hw accel is still disabled, check about:sup port
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1352. # [14:51] <RealRaven> ok
1353. # [14:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/3c60a233a26d - Mike de Boer - Bug 257061: adding a counter of found matches to the find in page bar. r=Unfocused
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1355. # [14:52] <RealRaven> wherr do I look on that page? in page search is ok
1356. # [14:52] <RealRaven> GPU #2 Active false
1357. # [14:52] <RealRaven> GPU Accelerated Windows 0/1 Basic
1358. # [14:52] <RealRaven> ?
1359. # [14:52] <KaiRo> gcp: on that AMD bug, I wonder if we really should make this workaround behavior the default for those series of cards and be done with it
1360. # [14:53] <KaiRo> RealRaven: sounds like non-accelerated
1361. # [14:53] <RealRaven> KaiRo: it would certainly be preferable
1362. # [14:53] <KaiRo> 0 windows of 1 being accelerated is what the 0/1 means
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1364. # [14:53] <KaiRo> and AFAIK "Basic" means basic layers (as opposed to OMTC or so)
1365. # [14:54] <RealRaven> KaiRo: Hmm I thought that 3d acceleration works for me here.
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1367. # [14:54] <RealRaven> Is there any way I can turn it on? I remember running the new UNreal demo once and it was smooth as butter
1368. # [14:54] <RealRaven> now, not so much
1369. # [14:54] <KaiRo> 3d and acceleration are two different things, AFAIK
1370. # [14:55] <RealRaven> ok
1371. # [14:55] <gcp> KaiRo: I suggested the same ages ago and afaik the answer from gfx is "we dont know what cards are affected".
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1375. # [14:55] <KaiRo> gcp: well, from what I can tell of the comments in the bug in the recent weeks, it's pretty clear which cards are affected
1376. # [14:56] <RealRaven> It is Radeon, isn't it?
1377. # [14:56] <KaiRo> but maybe it wasn't back when we created the workaround patch
1378. # [14:56] <KaiRo> RealRaven: not all Radeons
1379. # [14:56] <RealRaven> ok
1380. # [14:56] <KaiRo> fortunately
1381. # [14:56] <RealRaven> well definitely 4800 HD ones
1382. # [14:56] <KaiRo> new cards are not affected, only old chips are
1383. # [14:56] <RealRaven> ok. looks like they should fix their drivers
1384. # [14:58] <gcp> KaiRo: it's been clear forever that it's hd4xxx / r6xx
1385. # [14:58] * KaiRo is way over "they should" and way more into "what can we do" - but that may be because of his day job ;-)
1386. # [14:59] <gcp> If you know how to make a blacklist/automatic tweak for those cards by all means go ahead.
1387. # [14:59] <KaiRo> gcp: hrm, so we risk everyone with those cards leaving Firefox rather than trying an automatic fix for them?
1388. # [14:59] <gcp> We don't risk this, I'm sure that already happened.
1389. # [15:00] <gcp> The bug is like over a year old.
1390. # [15:00] <KaiRo> gcp: I have no clue about any code, but I'm willing to escalate as needed
1391. # [15:00] <KaiRo> gcp: I know it's old
1392. # [15:00] <gcp> 2012-11-16 17:07:21 PST
1393. # [15:00] <RealRaven> I would sire love if such a fix could be landed before Tb29 goes into release
1394. # [15:01] <KaiRo> RealRaven: tb29 will never go to release, so no problem there :p
1395. # [15:01] <KaiRo> 31 is the next that will go to release
1396. # [15:01] <KaiRo> but then, I don't care much about tb there, but I do care about Fx and our goal of increasing usage
1397. # [15:03] <mikedeboer> I anyone else having trouble building fx-team on Window 8?
1398. # [15:03] <mikedeboer> *Windows
1399. # [15:03] <RealRaven> KaiRo: You know what I meant though :P 24.5 or whatever
1400. # [15:03] <gcp> 24.5 is based off 24
1401. # [15:03] <RealRaven> I haven't touched the release version in AGES. only run beta these days
1402. # [15:03] <gcp> won't have gfx changes from 28
1403. # [15:04] <gcp> but I think this bug is way older?
1404. # [15:04] <Gijs> mikedeboer: I've not tried since yesterday, but I saw something swim by on inbound that might be related, sec
1405. # [15:04] <RealRaven> what's the current version number (for Tb28)
1406. # [15:04] <mikedeboer> Gijs: you have the inbound pushlog in your aquarium? wow.
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1409. # [15:06] <KaiRo> RealRaven: trhere is none
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1412. # [15:07] <KaiRo> RealRaven: thunderbird doesn't release the code you see in beta until the next ESR comes around
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1414. # [15:07] <KaiRo> it's weird but that's how thunderbird does business nowadays. weirdly. :p
1415. # [15:07] <RealRaven> hmm, what gets into the 24.x releases?
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1417. # [15:08] <KaiRo> RealRaven: only stuff that gets uplifted to 24 explicitely makes it into 24.x
1418. # [15:08] <RealRaven> didn't Archeopteryz recently make this nice Austrlis-like skin?
1419. # [15:08] <KaiRo> tb had australis tabs for ages already
1420. # [15:08] <RealRaven> So the graphics bug should never surface until ESR?
1421. # [15:08] <RealRaven> that's good :)
1422. # [15:08] <KaiRo> after all, the australis design is 5 years old to a part at least
1423. # [15:08] <RealRaven> and In Tb it actually works well
1424. # [15:08] <KaiRo> old enough that chrome has copied some parts of it
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1427. # [15:09] <KaiRo> even though our tabs are nicely curved and streamlined while theirs sting in the eyes with their pointy corners
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1437. # [15:15] <RealRaven> KaiRo: chrome is ugly :)
1438. # [15:15] <Ms2ger> Preaching to the choir...
1439. # [15:15] <RealRaven> :D
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1441. # [15:16] <mikedeboer> Gijs: any luck?
1442. # [15:16] <RealRaven> But Firefox is getting there :P tiny icons, no more status bar. Plenty of pushback in the user community
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1444. # [15:16] <RealRaven> (thinking of writing an Addon "LARGE ICONS BACK")
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1446. # [15:16] <RealRaven> or I could just call it "squint"
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1449. # [15:18] <KaiRo> actually, I only heard complaints so far about small icons being gone, not about large ones being missed :)
1450. # [15:18] <KaiRo> in reality, we AFAIK didn't have different icon sizes for while already anyhow, we only did different spacing around the icons
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1457. # [15:23] <RealRaven> KaiRo: I mean for people who haven't got microscopic / black and white only vision
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1461. # [15:23] <RealRaven> KaiRo: yes calling a button "big" by adding 4px padding is what I call a proper con-job
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1463. # [15:24] <RealRaven> KaiRo: that is one lazy programmer who came up with that solution. Quite disgusting really
1464. # [15:24] <RealRaven> we should have at least one set of 24px icons for windows
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1471. # [15:26] <KaiRo> RealRaven: I could care less, actually. you are talking to the wrong person there - I left the SeaMonkey project mostly because so many people in the vocal community there were adverse to any innovation or change, why would you think I'd have a bigger heart here where I'M not even responsible for those aspects in any way?
1472. # [15:27] <KaiRo> if it's about crashes, then feel free to talk to me, though ;-)
1473. # [15:27] <RealRaven> My contribution to AUstralis anyway: http://quickpasswords.mozdev.org/img/toolbarIcons-Australis.png and colorful http://quickpasswords.mozdev.org/img/toolbarIcons.png
1474. # [15:27] * jmaher is now known as jmaher|fatloss
1475. # [15:28] <RealRaven> KaiRo: it is hard to find a middle ground between innovation and taking away choice from the user, but no hassle :)
1476. # [15:29] <Ms2ger> Isn't the vocal opposition to any change the main reason SeaMonkey exists? :)
1477. # [15:30] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: not entirely, having a powerful and featureful suite would even be nice if it wasn't completely in 1990s fashion ;-)
1478. # [15:30] <RealRaven> True :-)
1479. # [15:30] <KaiRo> I've lead that project long enough, believe me, I did think about that one ;-)
1480. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> :)
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1482. # [15:33] <RealRaven> I still support it with all my addons.
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1486. # [15:34] <RealRaven> it is worth the hassle. Everytime I test I think "such a nice user interface". It is like in the old Netscape days ;-)
1487. # [15:34] <RealRaven> But I love the shit out of Thunderbird. It is still beautiful as ever
1488. # [15:34] * Ms2ger looks for a sarcasm sign
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1493. # [15:39] <Gijs> mikedeboer: ergh, sorry, got distracted
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1495. # [15:39] * Gijs looks
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1498. # [15:40] <Gijs> mikedeboer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003812 ?
1499. # [15:40] <Gijs> mikedeboer: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/720a660bac20 should be transplantable to see if that helps
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1501. # [15:41] <Gijs> mikedeboer: although it looks like the solution might be "install a newer SDK"
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1504. # [15:43] <mikedeboer> Gijs: thanks! Yeah, looks like I'm using the Win7 SDK
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1537. # [16:01] <bkelly> anyone around who might know about how our malloc/free on android?
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1546. # [16:04] <gcp> bkelly: yes
1547. # [16:04] <gcp> bkelly: are you sure you want to know this? :P
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1549. # [16:04] <bkelly> gcp: probably not... but I may need to! curious if the way we link there means js engine gets the same malloc/free as libxul gecko?
1550. # [16:05] <bkelly> from what I understand on other platforms they both get the same malloc/free from mozglue
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1552. # [16:06] <gcp> hmm, don't know the immediate answer
1553. # [16:06] <bkelly> gcp: any ideas who I might ask about it? unfortunately I don't have an android setup locally
1554. # [16:06] <gcp> We've had various bugs due to code getting the wrong malloc through various ways
1555. # [16:06] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=801571
1556. # [16:07] <gcp> glandium: ^^^
1557. # [16:08] <bkelly> gcp: in my case bug 987556 causes js_malloc() to be called in libxul gecko-land and then js_free'd in the js engine...
1558. # [16:08] <bkelly> js_malloc and js_free are inlined to malloc/free
1559. # [16:08] <Gijs> jmaher++ for "my neural nets are getting faster than the alert emails"
1560. # [16:09] <gcp> jchen|away may also know this
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1562. # [16:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/bd51ceeecb94 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 1004410 - allow running mochitests against an arbitrary binary, r=jmaher
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1564. # [16:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/a58e5fcc198b - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 662744 - remove obsolete background image rules, r=dao
1565. # [16:10] <bkelly> gcp: glandium jchen|away: thanks! asking about this now because wondering if its causing bug 1003867
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1568. # [16:14] <gcp> if you had str you could try disabling jemalloc
1569. # [16:14] <nemo> Ms2ger: I just noticed you're represented here http://servomemes.tumblr.com/
1570. # [16:14] <nemo> how did I miss this one
1571. # [16:15] <nemo> Ms2ger: you work on servo?
1572. # [16:15] <Ms2ger> I do
1573. # [16:15] <nemo> neat
1574. # [16:15] <Ms2ger> You're always welcome to join
1575. # [16:15] <nemo> hah
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1577. # [16:15] <jgraham> Ms2ger is actually the guy in the first picture
1578. # [16:15] <nemo> serious? O_o
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1581. # [16:16] <Ms2ger> The GC one?
1582. # [16:16] <nemo> Ms2ger: honestly tho, I keep reading http://featherweightmusings.blogspot.com/2014/04/rust-for-c-programmers-part-4-unique.html and ♥ ♥ ♥
1583. # [16:16] <Ms2ger> Or the hipster
1584. # [16:16] <nemo> Ms2ger: try to think of something I want to write in it
1585. # [16:16] <Ms2ger> Web Workers? :)
1586. # [16:16] <nemo> Ms2ger: I can hardly wait for rust to stabilise. sooooo porting our game :-p :-p
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1588. # [16:18] <nemo> Ms2ger: so, seriously, are you guys actually planning to use servo in Firefox someday soon, or is it more a toy/proof of concept ?
1589. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> Not in Fx, no
1590. # [16:18] <mconnor> well
1591. # [16:18] <mconnor> it's too early to say no
1592. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> I think I can say no to "someday soon" :)
1593. # [16:18] <bkelly> gcp: yea, so far I see only a single crash... so not sure how to reproduce :-(
1594. # [16:18] <mconnor> oh, yes
1595. # [16:19] * mconnor sips coffee
1596. # [16:19] <mats> ssh: connect to host hg.mozilla.org port 22: Connection refused
1597. # [16:19] <nemo> Ms2ger: s/soon/within the next two-three years/
1598. # [16:19] <mats> is it just me?
1599. # [16:19] <Ms2ger> Still no
1600. # [16:19] <nemo> meh
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1602. # [16:19] <nemo> anything more than 3 years in future is never. Everyone knows we'll have holodecks by then
1603. # [16:19] <Ms2ger> We'll have it dogfoodable in Q4, though, according to our hopelessly optimistic goals :)
1604. # [16:19] <mconnor> mats: WFM
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1606. # [16:20] <mats> mconnor: thx
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1608. # [16:20] <mconnor> nemo: "it depends"
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1611. # [16:20] <Ms2ger> nemo, Servo-powered holodecks ;)
1612. # [16:20] <mconnor> nemo: predicting how long it'll take to stabilize something like Servo is largely impossible
1613. # [16:21] <mconnor> nemo: passes Acid2 though! :)
1614. # [16:21] <Ms2ger> mconnor, *passed :)
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1617. # [16:21] <Ms2ger> We broke it after two days or so
1618. # [16:21] <mconnor> Ms2ger: such are benchmarks
1619. # [16:21] * KaiRo doesn't care what the holodeck is powered with, just wants it right now!
1620. # [16:21] <Ms2ger> mconnor, btw, we're hiring ;)
1621. # [16:22] <nemo> mconnor: I noticed that mentioned on the meme site :)
1622. # [16:22] <jgraham> KaiRo: Contemporary holodecks are largely powered by LSD
1623. # [16:22] <nemo> hm. I see servomemes has broken html too
1624. # [16:22] <mconnor> Ms2ger: Mozilla hiring? unpossible
1625. # [16:22] <nemo> oh tumblr...
1626. # [16:23] <mconnor> Ms2ger: I remember triaging Acid2 bugs the first time around... :)
1627. # [16:23] <Ms2ger> Ha
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1629. # [16:23] <KaiRo> jgraham: as long as I don't need to do any changes to my body, I want it, I should have said ;-)
1630. # [16:23] <Ms2ger> Well, at least you wouldn't have to do that again :)
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1632. # [16:24] <Ms2ger> Meanwhile...
1633. # [16:24] * Ms2ger curses XPCOM
1634. # [16:24] <nemo> Ms2ger: what's that about string representation? UTF-8 is an awesome choice. What were you planning to use. UTF-32?
1635. # [16:24] <KaiRo> nemo: seriously, servo is a research project only at this point, the mid-term target being "some mobile product" but it isn't even targeting to replace gecko anywhere at this time
1636. # [16:24] <nemo> m'k
1637. # [16:25] <nemo> KaiRo: would it be insane to incrementally replace? :)
1638. # [16:25] <jgraham> nemo: Pretty much, yeah
1639. # [16:25] <nemo> lol @ multiple threads and "the leak"
1640. # [16:25] <KaiRo> nemo: incrementally is probably impossible
1641. # [16:25] <tbsaunde> its not totally clear to me that's true, we wouldn't get a green field or the same end thing as servo
1642. # [16:25] <nemo> aww. too short. w3cmemes is more fun
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1644. # [16:26] <tbsaunde> but I think we could probably at least implement bits of gecko in rust and maybe rewrite some bits
1645. # [16:26] <KaiRo> nemo: what one could in theory think of, if servo was anywhere near ready, would be to embed servo into firefox for web page rendering and keep gecko for the UI rendering
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1647. # [16:27] <KaiRo> remember that our whole UI is rendered by gecko and the XUL stuff that's based on is something that will not make it into servo
1648. # [16:27] <nemo> mm
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1650. # [16:27] <smaug_b2g> xul isnt that different from html
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1652. # [16:28] <nemo> KaiRo: well, if enough XUL-inspired stuff like flex gets pulled into CSS, can just have servo implement CSS4 + XUL as some kinda ...
1653. # [16:28] <nemo> smaug_b2g said it shorter
1654. # [16:28] <tbsaunde> smaug_b2g: yes, you like old code so we'll have you rewrite the xul stuff in rust ;)
1655. # [16:29] <KaiRo> smaug_b2g: different enough in subtle ways, from what I heard - and we'd need to replace all the XUL in all our UI including add-ons with HTML, which is really major surgery
1656. # [16:29] <KaiRo> tbsaunde++
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1659. # [16:30] <tbsaunde> KaiRo: I'm not entirely joking, in some magical world where a rust browser would be good enough I might not be opposed to reimplementing xul in rust
1660. # [16:30] <nemo> tbsaunde: is this the same magical world where I don't keep watching the 1.0 bug count grow, like it is taunting me?
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1663. # [16:31] <nemo> pretty sure the # should go *down* except github's irritating bug tracker doesn't seem to have graphing capabilities for historical
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1665. # [16:31] <tbsaunde> nemo: 1.0 for what?
1666. # [16:31] <KaiRo> tbsaunde: well, my take on it is let's get to the point first where servo works for the web at large (it took gecko years to get there as well, and the web was simpler back then) and once that's done we can talk about how to adopt it for what
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1668. # [16:32] <nemo> tbsaunde: rust.
1669. # [16:32] <tbsaunde> KaiRo: fiar
1670. # [16:32] <tbsaunde> *fair
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1673. # [16:32] <nemo> oh well. being actually usable by end year is kinda cool. looking forward to trying it
1674. # [16:33] <nemo> it'll be more secure right? I mean, forget rust, who would think to write 'sploits for it.
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1676. # [16:33] <jmaher> Gijs: heh, if I don't add some random humour in my bugs I will lose some sanity
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1679. # [16:36] <KaiRo> nemo: "usable" is far from "rendering all of today's web as it should" - but yes, it will probably be able to drive parts of your online life if you want to (just like gecko could in mid 1999)
1680. # [16:37] <KaiRo> I field bugs against gecko's rendering back then, 15 years ago, so I know that state ;-)
1681. # [16:37] <KaiRo> s/field/filed/
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1683. # [16:38] <nemo> KaiRo: gecko drove all my online life back then!
1684. # [16:38] <nemo> KaiRo: admittedly web was a lot simpler then, too
1685. # [16:39] <nemo> hm. I dunno if I filed bugs. I certainly out here and complained :-p
1686. # [16:39] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, the web was less well-specced, though
1687. # [16:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e82994060927 - Ben Kelly - Bug 1004469: Apply scale to both width and height in canvas skia max size check. r=snorp
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1690. # [16:39] <smaug_b2g> web was unspecced back then
1691. # [16:39] <Ms2ger> nemo, and safe, sure, nobody still bothers exploiting the ancient spidermonkey version we use :)
1692. # [16:41] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: less well-specced, yes, but also way fewer functionality
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1696. # [16:42] <nemo> KaiRo: hm. doesn't look like I filed anything 'till 2001, unless.. when did I register my domain anyway...
1697. # [16:42] <Ms2ger> Kids those days...
1698. # [16:42] <Ms2ger> I was in primary school in 2001
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1706. # [16:48] <gcp> any way I can force some kind of debug output in a javascript function?
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1708. # [16:48] <gcp> this module has a LOG function which does both dump() and Services.console.logStringMessage
1709. # [16:48] <gcp> yet I never see the output
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1717. # [16:51] <froydnj> Optimizer: whatwas the problem with your isLoaded() patch?
1718. # [16:51] <Optimizer> froydnj: nothing i guess
1719. # [16:51] <Optimizer> full build was perfect
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1768. # [17:10] <@ted> why does our windows build prerequisites page say you need to run the MozillaBuild shell as an administrator?
1769. # [17:10] <@ted> that's not actually true, is it?
1770. # [17:10] <froydnj> RyanVM: ^
1771. # [17:10] <@ted> my account is admin but i have UAC enabled, and i've never had a problem
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1773. # [17:10] <RyanVM> froydnj: hey, don't blame me :P
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1775. # [17:11] <bkelly> I think I have gotten build failures on my win8 machine without doing the right-click-run-as-admin thing
1776. # [17:11] <@ted> yeah?
1777. # [17:11] <@ted> works fine on windows 7
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1783. # [17:14] <bkelly> let me see if I can reproduce that...
1784. # [17:14] <jimm> ted: yeah that's wrong
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1786. # [17:14] <jimm> win8 doesn't need it either
1787. # [17:14] <@ted> okay, i fgiured
1788. # [17:14] <bkelly> thats good to hear!
1789. # [17:14] <@ted> i'm giving that page a trim anyway
1790. # [17:14] <@ted> jimm: turns out that gamepad patch i landed requires the win8 sdk
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1792. # [17:15] <jimm> read that discussion yesterday, are you going to up the sdk requirement?
1793. # [17:15] <gcp> is there some configure option to kill all and any form of JS JITing?
1794. # [17:15] <@ted> jimm: nah, just going to mention it on that page
1795. # [17:16] <@ted> i landed a patch to check it in configure, you can --disable-gamepad around it
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1797. # [17:16] <jimm> ah great
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1801. # [17:16] <jimm> pushing people to the 8 sdk is good
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1804. # [17:16] <@ted> yeah, but i'm not going to make that call
1805. # [17:16] <@ted> if you want to, feel free :)
1806. # [17:17] <@ted> we'll get it for free when we drop 2010 support, since 2012 and up ship with the 8 sdk anyway
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1811. # [17:19] <jimm> well if we don't have a compelling reason yet there's no need. stuff like gamepad support will push people toward upgrading anyway so the future requirement change will be less painful.
1812. # [17:19] <@ted> yeah
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1814. # [17:21] <gcp> tbh if I'm in a "who broke desktop again screw it i'll fix it myself" mood it helps to not have to spend half the day installing/updating msvc
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1822. # [17:29] <@ted> gcp: yeah, i agree, i hate when we add deps that you can't work around
1823. # [17:29] <@ted> "i just want this shit to build"
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1839. # [17:35] <@ted> can you build with Visual C++ 2013 these days?
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1841. # [17:35] <@ted> i know dmajor was fixing some things
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1845. # [17:36] <jcranmer> clearly we should be requiring Visual C++ 2013 CTP 1 :-P
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1849. # [17:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/d3d8ce8abf98 - Dave Townsend - Bug 993029: Create an add-on console actor that will be displayed in the console tab of the add-on debugger. r=msucan, r=Unfocused, r=past
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1853. # [17:41] <@ted> jcranmer: when we get our official builds to 2013 i have no problem with dropping earlier versions
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1855. # [17:41] <jcranmer> yay, lambdas!
1856. # [17:41] <jcranmer> oh, wait, b2g's still on 4.4 >:(
1857. # [17:42] <Ms2ger> Can we drop support for b2g?
1858. # [17:42] <froydnj> jesup: thanks for pointing out that nsAutoPtr behavior
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1862. # [17:42] <jcranmer> ted: MSVC 2013 gives us variadic templates and initializer lists
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1864. # [17:43] <@ted> jcranmer: pretty rad
1865. # [17:43] <jcranmer> and =delete and =default
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1867. # [17:43] <@ted> we have got to figure out how to fix that b2g situation
1868. # [17:43] <jcranmer> 2012 gives us enum class
1869. # [17:43] <jesup> froydnj: yeah, tripped over that once before in a review - it's not obvious, but makes sense. nsAutoPtr foo(bar) where bar is an nsAutoPtr() wouldn't make sense otherwise
1870. # [17:43] <@ted> it's untenable
1871. # [17:43] <jcranmer> gcc <4.7 is untenable for C++11
1872. # [17:43] <jcranmer> 4.4 has some mildly broken rvalue semantics
1873. # [17:44] <jcranmer> 4.6 gives us range-based for
1874. # [17:44] <Ms2ger> jesup, should clearly be nsAutoPtr foo(Move(bar)) :)
1875. # [17:44] <jesup> ted: the issue with MSVC was always that contributors may only have an older version (especially if they're using a paid professional one), right?
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1879. # [17:46] <@ted> jesup: it's true, but given the existence of express editions now it's not that big of a deal anymore
1880. # [17:46] <jesup> Ms2ger: that would make them unusable (or at least painful) when used in a template ala WrapRunnable: private: M m_; and m_(m) in the cosntructor
1881. # [17:46] <@ted> you can get a free-as-in-beer compiler from microsoft
1882. # [17:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed4c52e21a5f - Jonathan Wei - Bug 949518 - keep caret offset syncronized with accessible tree, r=surkov
1883. # [17:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/a05fc0ef38b3 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 988909 - Move ContextMenuInfoFactory out of HomeListView and into HomeContextMenuInfo. r=lucasr
1884. # [17:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/78bb434f0227 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 988909 - Support context menus in PanelViews. r=lucasr
1885. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> jesup, anyway... <3 rust :)
1886. # [17:46] <jesup> ted: yeah. Never bothered to figure out the difference between express and full
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1890. # [17:47] <tbsaunde> I should just finish my patch to kill the non move copy ctor / operator = on nsAutoPtr
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1894. # [17:48] <tbsaunde> ted: emulator-kk seems to have 4.7 so maybe kitkat will become are default android base version some day in the distant future and we'll have a few rainbows
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1896. # [17:49] <RyanVM> tbsaunde: until a partner says they need to support ICS for something still
1897. # [17:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/129a4a310c8e - J. Ryan Stinnett - Bug 990086 - Fix local simulator builds on Mac. r=glandium
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1899. # [17:49] <@ted> jesup: there's not a lot of difference nowadays honestly
1900. # [17:49] <@ted> well
1901. # [17:49] <@ted> for our usage
1902. # [17:50] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: keyword 'eventually' ;)
1903. # [17:50] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: yeah, but supporting 4.4 is already a PITA today
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1906. # [17:51] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: I don't disagree with you, but eventually is better than never
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1909. # [17:52] <NeilAway> ted: don't you have to sign your identity away first?
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1912. # [17:52] <@ted> NeilAway: ?
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1914. # [17:53] <NeilAway> ted: win7 sdk doesn't require registration
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1930. # [17:58] <jimm> NeilAway: just a regular download
1931. # [17:58] <jimm> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/hh852363.aspx
1932. # [17:58] * froydnj wishes there was an "open this URL in a tab right next to the current one" shortcut
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1934. # [17:58] <RyanVM> YES
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1936. # [17:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/90980ce65b54 - Johannes Mittendorfer - Bug 1003790 - Remove linear-gradient -moz- prefixes from spectrum.css. r=bgrins
1937. # [17:59] <RyanVM> NeilAway: I installed the win8.1 sdk yesterday and didn't need to register anything
1938. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/36d74d4c5c47 - Jordan Santell - Bug 991762 - Hide picker tool when debugging addons. r=jryans
1939. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/44f24051261e - Johannes Mittendorfer - Bug 1004025 - Move themes/*/devtools/font-inspector.css into themes/shared/devtools/font-inspector.css. r=bgrins
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1941. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/7d5b7d673c87 - Johannes Mittendorfer - Bug 944731 - Add a border to color swatches. r=mratcliffe
1942. # [17:59] <recursive> jdm: Are you available?
1943. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/2b48d8dcac21 - James Long - Bug 995252 - Conditional breakpoints are always hit. r=past
1944. # [17:59] <jdm> recursive: yes!
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1946. # [18:00] <NeilAway> jimm, RyanVM: does that support VC10?
1947. # [18:00] <RyanVM> dunno
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1949. # [18:00] * RyanVM is on 2012
1950. # [18:00] <NeilAway> RyanVM: yeah, but you have to register for that
1951. # [18:00] <recursive> Great! I was trying to run "./mach xpcshell-test" but it replied me "is_platform_supported - Must have a Firefox, Android or B2G build."
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1953. # [18:00] <recursive> jdm:
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1956. # [18:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/8d784266a9c1 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
1957. # [18:02] <RyanVM> NeilAway: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+8.1+sdk+visual+studio+2010
1958. # [18:02] <RyanVM> NeilAway: looks like "yes"
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1962. # [18:04] <NeilAway> RyanVM: ah, there is one problem of course, and that is that the windows 8 sdk doesn't support xp
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1966. # [18:05] <benjamin> I don't there's a tool to dump the contents of xpt files, is there?
1967. # [18:05] <NeilAway> benjamin: you'd think there'd be one called xpt_dump wouldn't you ;-)
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1971. # [18:08] <benjamin> yes, you would?
1972. # [18:09] <benjamin> ah, it's "xpt.py dump"...
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1979. # [18:12] <NeilAway> benjamin: yeah, I didn't know its new name either
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2032. # [18:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/628dd71d10ca - Daniel Holbert - Bug 1003907: Annotate storage/src as FAIL_ON_WARNINGS. r=mak
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2038. # [18:35] <jimm-lunch> NeilAway: yes, I build with vc 10 since we use it in automation
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2041. # [18:35] <jimm> NeilAway: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Windows_8_Integration#Building_Locally
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2045. # [18:37] <jimm> NeilAway: the builds work on xp, not sure if you can get the 8 sdk to install there though. probably not.
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2070. # [18:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d811c553a165 - Gene Lian - Bug 981984 - OwningStringOrUnsignedLong union value cannot be set if the type is not matched. r=bz
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2086. # [19:03] <smacleod> bsmedberg: ping
2087. # [19:03] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: pong
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2090. # [19:03] <smacleod> bsmedberg: so, I'm having trouble actually getting mainCrash events into my crash log. It seems that the code for actually determining the crash events directory is always failing
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2096. # [19:04] <smacleod> bsmedberg: was this broken recently? no matter the profile, my local build, or the nightly build, I can't get it to register the mainCrash events. and FHR reports 0 crashes this month no mater how many times I crash the browser
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2099. # [19:04] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: that's bad!
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2102. # [19:05] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: is the problem that we're not *writing* them or that we're not *reading* them?
2103. # [19:05] <smacleod> bsmedberg: any chance you could check on your end if you can get a mainCrash event?
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2106. # [19:05] <smacleod> bsmedberg: the problem I'm seeing is we can't even get a crash events directory. The code that checks for them just fails on both cases
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2109. # [19:05] <smacleod> (so therefor not writing)
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2114. # [19:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/706bc42060aa - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 1004431 - fix broken CSS in OSX's downloads.css, rs=mconley
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2117. # [19:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27ad774a92a5 - chiajung hung - Bug 959089 - Part 1: Implement a new protocol for manage shared buffers' allocation. r=vlad, r=gal
2118. # [19:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8afdde798c3 - chiajung hung - Bug 959089 - Part 2: Use the new protocol to do buffer allocation. r=nical
2119. # [19:08] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: hrm, it's supposed to be set at this stack
2120. # [19:08] <@bsmedberg> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp#3679 calling http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/crashreporter/nsExceptionHandler.cpp#2085
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2123. # [19:09] <smacleod> bsmedberg: yeah, exactly. Both directories fail for me, ProfD and UAppData, and the directory never gets set
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2125. # [19:09] <NeilAway> jimm: huh, why does the vc2012 page I'm reading say that it uses the windows 7 sdk to target xp?
2126. # [19:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/a38146bf6d18 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 971096 - followup: remove extra newlines at the bottom, rs=mconley, forgot a review nit, DONTBUILD
2127. # [19:09] <smacleod> bsmedberg: (noticed this since I was attempting to set the directory to an env var so the crashreporter app could write a submission to the log)
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2129. # [19:10] <smacleod> (both NS_GetSpecialDirectory calls fail)
2130. # [19:10] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: oh hrm, ok. There are two things we should probably be doing here. 1) use ProfDS instead of ProfD
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2135. # [19:12] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: 2) UAppData really should always exist. That's totally strange.
2136. # [19:12] <@bsmedberg> oh!
2137. # [19:13] * smacleod waits in eager anticipation
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2140. # [19:13] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: we haven't started XPCOM yet
2141. # [19:14] <@bsmedberg> so the directory service itself doesn't exist
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2143. # [19:14] <@bsmedberg> this is all just borken
2144. # [19:14] <smacleod> bsmedberg: the thing is though... I have mainCrash events...
2145. # [19:14] <smacleod> just not from recently
2146. # [19:14] <smacleod> so it worked *at some point*
2147. # [19:14] <smacleod> did that change recently
2148. # [19:14] <smacleod> ?
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2152. # [19:16] <smacleod> bsmedberg: updateCrashEventsDir gets called multiple times as well I believe. When we get a profile it gets called and XPCOM is start then, correct?
2153. # [19:16] <@bsmedberg> no
2154. # [19:16] <@bsmedberg> we pick the profile before we start XPCOM
2155. # [19:17] <@bsmedberg> I really don't see how this can possibly have worked outside of a test environment
2156. # [19:17] <KaiRo> now *that* is de-emphasizing background tabs! http://i.imgur.com/M35Poqb.png
2157. # [19:17] <KaiRo> (apparently that's Fx29 with dark Win8 themes)
2158. # [19:18] <KaiRo> (and bug etc. coming, user advocacy brought this up, QA is looking into it)
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2161. # [19:21] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: are you willing to file a bug about this issue?
2162. # [19:22] <smacleod> bsmedberg: Yeah, I will. I'm even more confused now, because somehow I have a "mainCrash" today :/
2163. # [19:23] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: did you run any xpcshell tests?
2164. # [19:23] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: also, is it in your profile dir or in UAppDir?
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2166. # [19:25] <smacleod> bsmedberg: it's in my FHR data, I don't have an event file for it
2167. # [19:27] <@ehsan> ted: can you please review https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8415967&action=edit ?
2168. # [19:28] <@ted> ehsan: needy! :)
2169. # [19:28] * @ted reviews
2170. # [19:28] <@ehsan> :D
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2172. # [19:28] <jesup> ekr: encoder, or decoder?
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2174. # [19:28] <ekr> jesup: wrong window
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2182. # [19:31] <@bsmedberg> jimb: ping?
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2191. # [19:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/66518d59cdbd - Tim Taubert - Bug 1003096 - Make browser_tabview_bug595601.js wait until the test session is restored. r=smacleod, a=test-only
2192. # [19:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0678e5469636 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 995162 - Rewrite the mechanism that (re)starts the OS.File worker. r=froydnj, a=lsblakk
2193. # [19:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d20b23d033e4 - Tim Taubert - Bug 1001521 - Fix tabview tests that remove the original tab. r=smacleod, a=test-only
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2198. # [19:36] <jimb> bsmedberg: pong
2199. # [19:36] <jimb> bsmedberg: What did I break? :)
2200. # [19:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf35c8eac882 - Ben Turner - Bug 1003766, StopSyncLoopRunnable::Cancel should call base class Cancel. r=mrbkap.
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2203. # [19:36] <@bsmedberg> jimb: I'm chrome-js, debugging an intermittent orange using dumps/printfs. I have a reference to an unknown function.
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2205. # [19:37] <jimb> bsmedberg: And you want to get its generated name?
2206. # [19:37] <@bsmedberg> jimb: is there a way to print out something about that function,like it's source file or name, yeah
2207. # [19:37] <jimb> bsmedberg: sec
2208. # [19:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/4c1d6a7e27fa - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
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2213. # [19:38] <jimb> bsmedberg: As of this Wednesday, yes, there's a way to do that.
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2215. # [19:39] <jimb> bsmedberg: because now we can turn on Debugger with live frames on the stack.
2216. # [19:39] * jimb puts something together
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2219. # [19:39] <Optimizer> is windows build busted ?
2220. # [19:39] <@bsmedberg> jimb: <3
2221. # [19:39] <Optimizer> can't mach build a clobber build
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2237. # [19:46] <botond> try pushed hanging again?
2238. # [19:47] <botond> pushes*
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2240. # [19:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/090bd7835f82 - Eric Rahm - Bug 1001419 - Use SizeOfExcludingThis for non-heap allocated member variable. r=njn
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2243. # [19:50] <jimb> bsmedberg: This seems to work for me in a chrome sandbox: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5031060
2244. # [19:50] <jimb> bsmedberg: I get "import" from that call at the bottom.
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2247. # [19:51] <@bsmedberg> jimb: ok thanks!
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2252. # [19:52] <smacleod> bsmedberg: so update, the code works. It has something to do with my profile :/
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2255. # [19:53] <smacleod> bsmedberg: my everyday profile somehow gets it's directory found, but a fresh profile doesn't
2256. # [19:53] <jimb> bsmedberg: Here's a gist, if you make changes: https://gist.github.com/jimblandy/12c8b6fc1e9591489701
2257. # [19:53] <@bsmedberg> smacleod: that's quite bizarre
2258. # [19:53] * @bsmedberg will need to trace through that at some point
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2262. # [19:56] <mconley> C++ noob question - how do I convert an nsAutoCString to an nsAutoString?
2263. # [19:56] * mconley misses simple Javascript strings...
2264. # [19:56] <jld> ted: So, um, is there any chance bug 942290 will make 1.4/30 at this point?
2265. # [19:56] <@bz> mconley: It depends on what your CString contains
2266. # [19:56] <@bz> mconley: CString contains bytes
2267. # [19:57] <@bz> mconley: String contains Unicode
2268. # [19:57] <@bz> mconely: what encoding are your bytes in?
2269. # [19:57] <mconley> bz: I see. Suppose I want to get a string representation of an nsIURI
2270. # [19:57] <@bz> nsAutoCString spec;
2271. # [19:57] <@bz> uri->GetSpec(spec);
2272. # [19:57] <mconley> bz: aURI->getSpec seems to want an nsAutoCString, but the thing I want to pass it to wants an nsAutoString
2273. # [19:57] <mconley> right
2274. # [19:57] <mconley> got that part
2275. # [19:57] <jld> mconley: NS_ConvertUTF8toUTF16 if it's UTF-8
2276. # [19:57] <@bz> NS_ConvertUTF8toUTF16 string(spec);
2277. # [19:57] <mconley> ah
2278. # [19:57] <@bz> URI specs are encoded in UTF-8
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2280. # [19:58] <mconley> I see
2281. # [19:58] <@bz> If you're just passing this to someone, you can pass NS_ConvertUTF8toUTF16(spec), of course
2282. # [19:58] <mconley> excellent!
2283. # [19:58] <mconley> thanks
2284. # [19:58] <@bz> no problem
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2301. # [20:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9f4a5b6678dd - Bobby Holley - Bug 1004295 - Hard abort if we try to unload modules when loader global reuse is enabled. r=mccr8
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2304. # [20:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/660ddfb69dc5 - Bobby Holley - Bug 999297 - Implement xpc::UnwrapReflectorToISupports. r=bz
2305. # [20:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d92c11752f44 - Bobby Holley - Bug 999297 - Simplify xpc::HasInstance. r=bz
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2307. # [20:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bent: inbound bustage
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2311. # [20:07] <bent> RyanVM|sheriffduty, in a mtg, backout please? stupid warnings...
2312. # [20:07] <bent> stupid gcc warnings i mean
2313. # [20:08] * philor makes a note never again to warn him of bustage
2314. # [20:08] <philor> oh, those warnings
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2316. # [20:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aaff0e8f5af2 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset cf35c8eac882 (bug 1003766) for Werror bustage.
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2324. # [20:17] <gcp> bz: ping
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2327. # [20:20] <@ehsan> froydnj: ping
2328. # [20:20] <froydnj> ehsan: pong
2329. # [20:20] <@ehsan> froydnj: so, I'm all for picking a better namespace name, shall we bikeshed for a second?
2330. # [20:21] * froydnj grabs his hammer
2331. # [20:21] <@ehsan> froydnj: I was thinking of mozilla::graveyard
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2336. # [20:22] <@ehsan> froydnj: thoughts?
2337. # [20:22] <froydnj> one then wonders why we would have any uses of things in mozilla::graveyard
2338. # [20:22] <@ehsan> hmm
2339. # [20:22] <@ehsan> I guess...
2340. # [20:23] <@ehsan> do_not_use_in_gecko is fine too, perhaps
2341. # [20:23] <froydnj> I suppose we could explain it as "we are trying to make these things go away, please don't add more uses
2342. # [20:23] <@ehsan> except for those underscores!
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2344. # [20:23] <@ehsan> yeah that was my thought
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2346. # [20:23] <froydnj> yes, it's a little long
2347. # [20:24] <@ehsan> any other ideas?
2348. # [20:24] <froydnj> outside_gecko_only I suppose has the same issue
2349. # [20:24] <froydnj> 1 character shorter!
2350. # [20:24] * geekboy|afk is now known as geekboy
2351. # [20:24] <@ehsan> the thing is
2352. # [20:24] <tbsaunde> zoombieyard?
2353. # [20:24] <@ehsan> that's actually a misnomer (outside_gecko_only)
2354. # [20:24] <@ehsan> because, moz2d
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2356. # [20:25] <froydnj> sigh, moz2d
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2358. # [20:25] <froydnj> that's right, you want to move plain RefCounted there
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2360. # [20:25] <@ehsan> yes that's my hope
2361. # [20:25] <froydnj> judging from grep, you're pretty close!
2362. # [20:25] <@ehsan> although, with mozglue... the utility of that would be limited :(
2363. # [20:25] <@ehsan> yep :D
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2366. # [20:26] <@ehsan> froydnj: how about mozilla::DO_NOT_USE?
2367. # [20:26] <bkelly> mozilla::deprecated?
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2369. # [20:26] <@ehsan> bkelly: deprecated is a bit too soft!
2370. # [20:27] <froydnj> mozilla::must_be_this_tall_to_use
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2372. # [20:27] <@bz> mozilla::your_code_is_buggy
2373. # [20:27] <@ehsan> oh
2374. # [20:27] <tbsaunde> ehsan: how bout my zombieyard ;)
2375. # [20:27] <@ehsan> mozilla::add_some_bugs::AtomicRefCounted
2376. # [20:27] <jesup> mozilla::PAY_EHSAN_10_DOLLARS_TO_USE
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2379. # [20:27] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: that's really the same as graveyard that froydnj vetoed
2380. # [20:27] <froydnj> can we just outlaw moz2d from using mfbt?
2381. # [20:28] <tbsaunde> mozilla::buggy::RefCounted
2382. # [20:28] <@ehsan> froydnj: what do you mean?
2383. # [20:28] <Optimizer> dammit, my clobber build won't succeed :(
2384. # [20:28] <froydnj> ehsan: if they want templated refcounted mixins, they can write their own
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2386. # [20:28] <@ehsan> jesup: I like your thinking!
2387. # [20:28] <tbsaunde> ehsan: but zombies aren't quiet dead so it makes a little more sense
2388. # [20:28] <@ehsan> froydnj: that is a poor recipe for reducing bugs ;)
2389. # [20:29] <jesup> mozilla::this_class_has_a_fatal_disease
2390. # [20:29] <@ehsan> froydnj: what moz2d wants is not using xpcom, at any price :(
2391. # [20:29] <@ehsan> ok
2392. # [20:29] * @ehsan is about to make a call
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2394. # [20:30] <froydnj> ehsan: all the clever and/or really descriptive names (graveyard, PAY_EHSAN_10_DOLLARS, etc.) are kind of unworkable if we're going to find hits in moz2d for them
2395. # [20:30] <jesup> I realize this is probably heresy (and already discounted), but could we *fix* it?
2396. # [20:30] <@ehsan> I'm just going to call it mozilla::DONT_USE!
2397. # [20:30] <froydnj> I guess external is just about the best of a bad bargain
2398. # [20:30] <@ehsan> froydnj: I don't have any hope of fixing moz2d
2399. # [20:30] <@ehsan> jesup: you're welcome to try ;)
2400. # [20:31] * jesup shrinks in horror of what he did
2401. # [20:31] <@ehsan> froydnj: so, r+ on external?
2402. # [20:31] <tbsaunde> jesup: you'd have to extract a bunch of xpcom from xpcom
2403. # [20:31] <froydnj> ehsan: sure. dev-platform post about new mozilla::external and rules for using it?
2404. # [20:31] <@ehsan> will do
2405. # [20:31] <jesup> Which in a way might not be such a bad idea..... in a way
2406. # [20:32] <froydnj> mozilla framework based on totally gnarly code that started in the 1990s and refuses to die
2407. # [20:32] <froydnj> mfbt...gctsit1990sartd...
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2409. # [20:32] <@ehsan> lol
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2414. # [20:33] <bjacob> KaiRo: or bsmedberg: are there CSV files containing B2G crash reports ?
2415. # [20:33] <@ehsan> ah dammit, closed tree
2416. # [20:33] <bjacob> (i dont see any b2g crashes in the pub-crashdata csv files)
2417. # [20:34] <KaiRo> bjacob: no csvs, no
2418. # [20:34] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: no, but there's an API now so you can get whatever reports you want. See https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/api/#ReportList
2419. # [20:34] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: and https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/api/#Search
2420. # [20:34] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: if it's not clear how to use them, ask peterbe in #breakpad
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2423. # [20:35] <bjacob> bsmedberg: just 1 question, could i use that programmatically from a bash or python or whatever script?
2424. # [20:35] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: but also note that since most b2g crashes don't have good symbol data, there's a lot of dubious data
2425. # [20:35] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: yes, it's plain HTTP
2426. # [20:35] <bjacob> great
2427. # [20:35] <@bsmedberg> so curl > or python urllib2
2428. # [20:35] <bjacob> bsmedberg: i just want to have b2g show up on http://people.mozilla.org/~bjacob/gfx_features_stats/
2429. # [20:35] <bjacob> i see
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2437. # [20:43] <@ted> jld: sorry :-(
2438. # [20:43] <@ted> jld: that's just tricky enough that i have to set aside time to review it
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2448. # [20:47] <jld> ted: Understood.
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2451. # [20:50] <kats> who can i ask about how hover states are triggered and cleared based on input events? (other than smaug, since he's not around)
2452. # [20:50] <@ehsan> kats: what do you need to know?
2453. # [20:51] <kats> ehsan: i need to know how things get unhover'd on b2g
2454. # [20:51] <kats> ehsan: because it's not happening in some cases
2455. # [20:51] <@ehsan> oh
2456. # [20:51] <@ehsan> let me dig around
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2458. # [20:52] <kats> ehsan: this is the backtrace for when they do get hover'd
2459. # [20:52] <kats> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5031431
2460. # [20:52] <@ehsan> kats: do you get a mouseleave event?
2461. # [20:53] <kats> i will check
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2464. # [20:53] <kats> ehsan: actually i'm kind of surprised we're getting mouse events at all. i thought the only mouse events we get are supposed to be generated from a tap
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2466. # [20:54] <@ehsan> kats: yes
2467. # [20:54] <@ehsan> kats: this is where the hover style should be unset: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/events/EventStateManager.cpp#3949
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2469. # [20:54] <@ehsan> kats: wait, is this _not_ during a tap?
2470. # [20:54] <kats> ehsan: ok, thanks. i'll dig some more and see why it's not hitting that, and where these mouse events are coming from anyway
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2480. # [20:59] <kats> ehsan: apparently we're getting AMOTION_EVENT_ACTION_HOVER_MOVE events in gonk, at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/gonk/nsAppShell.cpp#735 and these get turned into mousemove events
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2482. # [20:59] <BenWa> jduell: ping re: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/6ebee222742d/netwerk/ipc/NeckoCommon.h#l1.16
2483. # [21:00] <@ehsan> kats: huh.. I don't know that code, sorry
2484. # [21:00] <kats> ehsan: no worries, thanks for the help
2485. # [21:00] <@ehsan> np
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2488. # [21:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4cb70de5fd6a - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 1004564 - Move AtomicRefCounted to mozilla::external and outlaw it in Gecko code; r=froydnj
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2498. # [21:04] <vlad> ted: is android gamepad in today's nightly?
2499. # [21:04] <vlad> not sure if it made the merge
2500. # [21:05] <@ted> vlad: didn't make the merge
2501. # [21:05] <@ted> got merged this morning
2502. # [21:05] <vlad> oo
2503. # [21:05] <vlad> er boo
2504. # [21:05] <@ted> yeah
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2507. # [21:06] <jduell> BenWa: yes?
2508. # [21:06] <BenWa> jduell: See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986160#c29
2509. # [21:06] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> erahm: this hit on your push to inbound - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=38885177&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2510. # [21:07] <BenWa> jduell: err see Comment 27 for a better explanation
2511. # [21:07] <jduell> BenWa: sounds good
2512. # [21:07] <BenWa> Ok :)
2513. # [21:07] <BenWa> jduell: Do you understand what was wrong before?
2514. # [21:07] <BenWa> err well on trunk ATM
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2516. # [21:08] <jduell> Sounds like ENABLE_TESTS wasn't defined often enough for it to get hit?
2517. # [21:08] <BenWa> jduell: Well it’s a configure variable. And unless they are AC_DEFINES then they wont be a global mozilla defines
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2522. # [21:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23a646a9ec55 - Joel Maher - Bug 1002780 - upload a new talos.zip to pick up all the fixes. r=pmoore
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2536. # [21:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bbd77de6be4b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 090bd7835f82 (bug 1001419) for Linux mochitest-other failures.
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2543. # [21:28] <gaston> really gyp. SIGH. such a pain in the *** to deal with.
2544. # [21:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8cb84a2584f - Brian Smith - Bug 1002929: Avoid implicit conversion of Result to boolean in mozilla::der::GeneralizedTime, r=keeler
2545. # [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9bca81260db4 - Brian Smith - Bug 1003290: Fix OID parser template type, r=keeler
2546. # [21:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c968e47ef708 - Brian Smith - Bug 1002933: Use Strongly-typed enums more often in mozilla::pkix, r=mmc
2547. # [21:29] <@bsmedberg> jimb: does "addDebuggerToGlobal(this)" work in .jsm as well, or just a window context?
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2550. # [21:30] <@bsmedberg> jimb: I'm getting "uncaught exception - NS_ERROR_ILLEGAL_VALUE: Component returned failure code: 0x80070057 (NS_ERROR_ILLEGAL_VALUE) [IJSDebugger.addClass] at resource://gre/modules/jsdebugger.jsm:23"
2551. # [21:30] <jimb> bsmedberg: It should work on any global.
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2553. # [21:30] * @bsmedberg wonders if the `this` is messed up
2554. # [21:30] <jimb> bsmedberg: Ah, but your 'this' is probably not a global, I bet.
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2556. # [21:30] <jimb> bsmedberg: try replacing 'this' with 'window'?
2557. # [21:30] <@bsmedberg> there is no window here
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2559. # [21:30] <jimb> you are likely to be eaten by a grue
2560. # [21:30] <@bsmedberg> I bet the `this` is confused though, let me dump it and check
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2563. # [21:31] <jimb> Ms2ger: You are lost in a twisty maze of dynamically typed values, all subtly different
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2566. # [21:31] <vlad> ted: ok, trying a tinderbox build
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2568. # [21:31] <vlad> so far so good, gamepadtest recognized the controller when I pressed a button
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2570. # [21:32] <@ted> cool
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2573. # [21:33] <@ted> so the android backend is trying to map the stuff android gives it to the "standard controller"
2574. # [21:33] <@ted> that worked for me with this nyko bluetooth pad
2575. # [21:33] <Optimizer> can anyone help me with this weird build failure ?
2576. # [21:33] <@ted> i'm interested to know if that works sanely elsewhere
2577. # [21:33] <Optimizer> its the latest fx-team code and is not building
2578. # [21:33] <Optimizer> even a clobber build fails
2579. # [21:33] <@ted> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gamepad/raw-file/default/gamepad.html#remapping
2580. # [21:33] <vlad> ted: html5rocks gamepad tester looks correct
2581. # [21:33] <@ted> vlad: awesome
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2583. # [21:33] <vlad> all the buttons map properly
2584. # [21:33] <@ted> that's good to hear!
2585. # [21:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/db46a7a1991d - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 1 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
2586. # [21:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/5a44ea372a73 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
2587. # [21:34] <vlad> ted: except select, because there is no select :)
2588. # [21:34] <@ted> heh yeah
2589. # [21:34] <Optimizer> this is the pastebin : https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5031741
2590. # [21:34] <@ted> i'm a little worried that this will fall down in the "random USB gamepad" case, but i dont' know that i care overly much about that on android
2591. # [21:34] <Optimizer> any help will be appreciated
2592. # [21:34] <@ted> vlad: go play some combat ;-)
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2598. # [21:36] <vlad> I tried
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2600. # [21:36] <vlad> it's.. well, yeah. :)
2601. # [21:36] <@ted> heh
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2603. # [21:37] <@ted> it's pretty fun if you get multiple players
2604. # [21:37] <@ted> i played vs. my kids
2605. # [21:37] <@ted> i kicked their asses
2606. # [21:37] <Ms2ger> Bad father
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2608. # [21:37] <@ted> they had fun
2609. # [21:39] <Optimizer> anyone ?
2610. # [21:39] <Optimizer> I have been trying to build for hours now
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2614. # [21:42] <dholbert> Optimizer, if it were me, I'd run "hg log --limit 5" on the file in question (WindowsGamepad.cpp), see if you can figure out what cset broke it, and update to the parent of that cset, to fix your build
2615. # [21:42] <dholbert> d'oh, he just left
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2617. # [21:42] <Ms2ger> ted, Optimizer wanted you, actually
2618. # [21:42] <@ted> ?
2619. # [21:42] <qDot> Anything not windows will usually fall down in the "random usb gamepad" case. That's a particularly sad portion of the usb drivers in the linux kernel.
2620. # [21:43] <@ted> Ms2ger: oh, true
2621. # [21:43] <@ted> qDot: well, i mean, they usually *work*
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2623. # [21:43] <@ted> in that they're USB HID and they'll show up and you can get the buttons/axes
2624. # [21:43] <@ted> qDot: but you have no idea what those buttons/axes actually are in real life
2625. # [21:43] <@ted> it's sort of terrible
2626. # [21:43] <qDot> Yup.
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2628. # [21:44] <@ted> i started prototyping something; https://github.com/luser/gamepad-data
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2630. # [21:44] <qDot> Ah, trying to build a compatibility db for browsers?
2631. # [21:44] <@ted> yeah
2632. # [21:45] <qDot> Nice, seems like a good idea.
2633. # [21:46] <firebot> Check-in:
2634. # [21:46] * geekboy|afk is now known as geekboy
2635. # [21:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af1cebf017fc - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 994957 - Fix pseudostack update by Ion ICs in inlined scripts to use top-level script in the frame and the pc of the call it makes to the inlined script. r=jandem
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2637. # [21:46] <@ted> we're never going to be able to have it all in the browser, but we could have some, and have a library to let content figure the rest out
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2639. # [21:46] <qDot> Yeah, anything that gets us closer to "just works", especially when it comes to instant fulfillment needs like gaming.
2640. # [21:47] <qDot> I am a huge supporter of perceived wins via dopamine dumps.
2641. # [21:47] <@ted> hah
2642. # [21:47] <@ted> the only thing i've found that seems to reliably work is that the left analog stick is mapped as the first two axes
2643. # [21:47] <@ted> so that's nice
2644. # [21:48] <@ted> i hacked up a "show me your right stick" config step for http://boxes-wot-shoot.appspot.com/
2645. # [21:48] <@ted> since those are all over the place
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2647. # [21:48] <@ted> (also if you haven't played that it's fun)
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2650. # [21:50] <qDot> So, next up, multi-dof controllers with haptics.
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2653. # [21:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5a6e3bfa4be - Terrence Cole - Backout 9a6b434b34be for mochitest-2 failures on a CLOSED TREE.
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2671. # [22:00] <Optimizer> gps|away: any idea of these build failures ? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5031741
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2675. # [22:04] <NeilAway> ehsan: would #ifndef MOZILLA_INTERNAL_API be of any use to stop people using mozilla::external ?
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2677. # [22:04] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I think backouts would be a more effective way ;)
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2680. # [22:05] <tbsaunde> ehsan: but isn't it easier for you if the code can't be checked in?
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2682. # [22:06] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: have you seen for example https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/179b22b687c1#l5.12 ?
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2684. # [22:07] <NeilAway> ehsan: ewww :-(
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2686. # [22:07] <tbsaunde> ehsan: sure, you'll still need to make sure people don't do insane things
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2688. # [22:07] <@ehsan> never underestimate the power of an angry ehsan ;)
2689. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> froydnj gets his review bits removed?
2690. # [22:08] <@ehsan> not pointing fingers
2691. # [22:08] <tbsaunde> ehsan: but most people won't go that far I hope
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2693. # [22:08] <@ehsan> just saying that making things more difficult doesn't prevent people from doing it
2694. # [22:08] <NeilAway> ehsan: should http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/nsStringAPI.h#780 be changed to use a namespace, perahps mozilla::external::string ?
2695. # [22:08] <tbsaunde> of course we can just wait and see if its an issue in practice
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2697. # [22:09] <tbsaunde> ehsan: we're in violent agreement about that
2698. # [22:09] <@ehsan> NeilAway: as long as you don't reuse the name mozilla::external, I'm ambivalent
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2700. # [22:09] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: right :)
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2703. # [22:09] <NeilAway> ehsan: what's wrong with reusing mozilla::external ?
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2705. # [22:10] <@ehsan> NeilAway: by "external", we mostly mean "youll_get_backed_out_if_you_use_it"
2706. # [22:10] <@ehsan> we couldn't think of a better name
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2708. # [22:10] <dholbert> Optimizer, oh you're back. Looks like you want to ask ted about your build failures, if you didn't already figure that out
2709. # [22:10] <NeilAway> ehsan: ah, I thought it meant "not to be used in libxul code"
2710. # [22:11] <dholbert> Optimizer, (you're missing a header for an #include that he added, at least)
2711. # [22:11] <@ehsan> NeilAway: a stronger version of that...
2712. # [22:11] <Optimizer> ted!!
2713. # [22:11] <Optimizer> ted ted ted
2714. # [22:11] <Optimizer> TEDx
2715. # [22:11] <dholbert> Optimizer, in the meantime, if you just want a working build, you can update to a cset before https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=996078 landed (adding that #include)
2716. # [22:12] <dholbert> but probably worth figuring out the issue as well, so that you're not stuck on a stale cset :)
2717. # [22:12] <Optimizer> why is tbpl not busted ?
2718. # [22:12] <dholbert> Optimizer, its system configuration is different from yours?
2719. # [22:12] <NeilAway> ehsan: so you actually mean "this stuff should never have been added to the tree, and we're working on removing it"
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2721. # [22:12] <@ehsan> NeilAway: kind of
2722. # [22:12] <Optimizer> dholbert: but it wil lalso have windows builds , which I have. right ?
2723. # [22:13] <@ehsan> NeilAway: if you can think of a better name, please let me know
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2725. # [22:13] <dholbert> Optimizer, yes
2726. # [22:13] <dholbert> Optimizer, your build error shows it's a missing #include
2727. # [22:13] <dholbert> or rather, an #include pointing to a header that can't be found
2728. # [22:14] <Optimizer> so tbpl's windows build should also show that, no ?
2729. # [22:14] <Optimizer> because i dont have any patches,
2730. # [22:14] <Optimizer> its the plain latest pull
2731. # [22:14] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, it would help if I knew what you meant, instead of kind of a stronger version of something...
2732. # [22:14] <dholbert> that suggests you're missing a library, or need to adjust a path (or maybe our build system needs to make a path more generous)
2733. # [22:14] <dholbert> Optimizer, ^
2734. # [22:14] <dholbert> Optimizer, if your system were an exact clone of TBPL, then I'd agree with you :)
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2738. # [22:14] <Optimizer> but what did I do ?
2739. # [22:14] <dholbert> you didn't do anything
2740. # [22:14] <@ehsan> NeilAway: "this stuff should have never been added to the tree, and we would remove it if we could"
2741. # [22:14] <dholbert> a patch landed
2742. # [22:14] <Optimizer> it was working yesterday
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2744. # [22:15] <dholbert> Optimizer, did you update?
2745. # [22:15] <Optimizer> so itsn't it the patch's fault ?
2746. # [22:15] <dholbert> Optimizer, yes
2747. # [22:15] <dholbert> Optimizer, probably
2748. # [22:15] <dholbert> which is why I told you to talk to ted
2749. # [22:15] <Optimizer> hmm.
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2752. # [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: annoyance with the commit hook
2753. # [22:16] <dholbert> Optimizer, in the absence of feedback from ted, file a bug with your build error, and mark it as blocking https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=996078
2754. # [22:16] <NeilAway> ehsan: mozilla::slated_for_removal ?
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2756. # [22:16] <Optimizer> dholbert: thanks. will do.
2757. # [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: "without DOM peer reviewWebIDL file"
2758. # [22:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/cfd5a38a44c5 - Robert Strong - Bug 1004168 - Add an INI file option to prevent requiring a reboot when there are files in use. r=jmathies
2759. # [22:16] <dholbert> Optimizer, and as I said above, if you need to build right now, just update to an old cset
2760. # [22:16] <dholbert> before that bug's patch landed
2761. # [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: a line break between files would be nice...
2762. # [22:16] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: uh-oh
2763. # [22:16] <@ehsan> will fix
2764. # [22:16] <NeilAway> ehsan: mozilla::I_should_not_be_using_this ?
2765. # [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> speaking of this hook
2766. # [22:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> a bug with r=roc and r=bholley in it
2767. # [22:17] <@ehsan> NeilAway: we were looking for a short name...
2768. # [22:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but neither actually reviewed the webidl patch from what I can tell
2769. # [22:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> FFS, FML
2770. # [22:17] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: link?
2771. # [22:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bug 942367
2772. # [22:17] * @ehsan looks
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2774. # [22:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> feeling very inclined to override the hook
2775. # [22:17] <NeilAway> ehsan: making it longer makes it harder for people to type ;-)
2776. # [22:17] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: please don't
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2778. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> RyanVM|sheriffduty, didn't it get turned off?
2779. # [22:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nope
2780. # [22:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> fixed harder
2781. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> Ah
2782. # [22:18] <NeilAway> ehsan: ok, so how about mozilla::XXX ?
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2784. # [22:18] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: that should not land, will comment on the bug
2785. # [22:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> wait for me to comment
2786. # [22:18] <NeilAway> ehsan: the generic "needs fixing" identifier ;-)
2787. # [22:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: comment
2788. # [22:18] <dholbert> NeilAway, that sounds like the new incarnation of mozilla::libpron
2789. # [22:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> commented*
2790. # [22:18] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok
2791. # [22:19] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: fwiw the purpose of this hook is to catch people like this
2792. # [22:19] <NeilAway> dholbert: yeah, well sadly sanity prevailed there and it got renamed to libimage :-(
2793. # [22:19] <@ehsan> NeilAway: interesting... but "XXX" doesn't make it obvious what the name means does it?
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2798. # [22:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/caa1de36d1ad - Alexandre Lissy - Bug 963234 - Move AlertsHelper out of shell.js. r=fabrice, r=ochameau
2799. # [22:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e7217cdee50f - Sankha Narayan Guria - Bug 957513 - DecimalIntegerLiteral cannot be 0 directly followed by 8 or 9. r=jorendorff
2800. # [22:20] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, you managed to confuse me by calling it "external" :-P
2801. # [22:21] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: all good now?
2802. # [22:21] <@ehsan> NeilAway: :(
2803. # [22:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yup
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2805. # [22:21] <@ehsan> NeilAway: naming is hard
2806. # [22:21] <NeilAway> ehsan: how about mozilla::unwanted ?
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2808. # [22:21] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: cool, thanks :)
2809. # [22:21] <@ehsan> NeilAway: that might be better! froydnj: wdyt about mozilla::unwanted?
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2811. # [22:21] <NeilAway> ehsan: it's fortunate that names can't be regexps, really ;-)
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2813. # [22:22] <terrence> Gijs++
2814. # [22:23] <@ehsan> NeilAway: lol
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2825. # [22:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ac19d49bfba - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5e72eab5fab7 (bug 1003380) for intermittent mochitest failures.
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2827. # [22:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e36450f9e74 - Benoit Girard - Bug 1004677 - Restore double precision startTime. r=bjacob
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2830. # [22:32] <froydnj> ehsan: um. sure
2831. # [22:32] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ping
2832. # [22:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cabanier: pong
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2834. # [22:33] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: sorry about that. very weird that that file is still failing.
2835. # [22:33] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: is there a way for me to just push the test without having to rebuild?
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2837. # [22:34] <cabanier> (I was so sure that it would work since I took the test out)
2838. # [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cabanier: do you know how to trigger extra test runs on an existing try push?
2839. # [22:34] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: no
2840. # [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (no, you can't just push a new test on top of an old build)
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2842. # [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> click a job on TBPL (android 4.0 M2 in this case)
2843. # [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bottom left box
2844. # [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> click the + symbol
2845. # [22:35] <cabanier> ah
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2847. # [22:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> 10+ runs would be a good idea ;)
2848. # [22:35] <cabanier> ok, I will try again.
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2859. # [22:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dbaron: seth: ping
2860. # [22:40] <seth> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
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2863. # [22:40] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> seth: hey, where do we stand with all the various B2G "invalid" reftest failure?
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2866. # [22:41] <seth> RyanVM|sheriffduty: i need to look at the bugs again
2867. # [22:41] <grobinson> Who would be the person to ask about the B2G tests running on try?
2868. # [22:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> seth: there's 4 or 5 IIRC
2869. # [22:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> grobinson: depends on your question
2870. # [22:41] <seth> RyanVM|sheriffduty: there were some try jobs that got pushed and i'm not sure i ever got a chance to look at the results because other things kept coming up
2871. # [22:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> grobinson: just ask :)
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2874. # [22:42] <grobinson> hah, ok - been trying that in #b2g with no luck, so I thought it'd be more effective to find an individual and berate them :)
2875. # [22:43] <grobinson> I'm having issues where I can't reproduce test failures on the B2G emulator locally
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2879. # [22:43] <grobinson> For example: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1b4c3663665d has test_bug333198.html failing on try
2880. # [22:43] <grobinson> When I run it locally in the emulator, I get a passing test
2881. # [22:44] <grobinson> How could that happen?
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2884. # [22:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> erahm: FML, I backed out the wrong patch of yours
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2887. # [22:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> grobinson: because the emulator runs on god-awful slow slaves that expose all kinds of issues that you wont' hitlocally?
2888. # [22:45] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> see jesup's post in dev-platform a couple weeks back
2889. # [22:45] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and "good luck"
2890. # [22:45] <grobinson> Yikes
2891. # [22:45] <Optimizer> dholbert: thanks. it built
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2893. # [22:45] <Optimizer> ted!
2894. # [22:45] <grobinson> We have a patch that is turning up on oranges on try, but is unrelated (as far as we can tell) to the failing tests
2895. # [22:45] <dholbert> Optimizer, hooray
2896. # [22:45] <grobinson> I have no idea how to debug it if I can't repo locally :(
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2899. # [22:46] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> grobinson: wow, that's an impressive amount of fail
2900. # [22:46] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> this is on trunk?
2901. # [22:46] <grobinson> yup, from tuesday afternoon
2902. # [22:46] <dholbert> Optimizer, it looks like he responded on your bug and landed a patch, as you may have seen
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2904. # [22:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e0b5e968c38f - Eric Rahm - Bug 1001419 - Use SizeOfExcludingThis for non-heap allocated member variable. r=njn
2905. # [22:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/977cf6a69034 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 83d914c3431d (bug 999473) for Linux mochitest-other failures.
2906. # [22:47] <grobinson> the patch that breaks everything is just a pref flip: https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/3976fb7ae757
2907. # [22:47] <grobinson> but logging shows that CSP isn't blocking anything it shouldn't on the try run
2908. # [22:47] <dholbert> ted++
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2910. # [22:47] <Optimizer> dholbert: I did not open a bug yt
2911. # [22:47] <grobinson> so having a hard time understanding what's making the tests fail
2912. # [22:47] <Optimizer> yet
2913. # [22:47] <dholbert> Optimizer, oh
2914. # [22:47] <dholbert> Optimizer, someone else did, I assumed it was you :)
2915. # [22:47] <dholbert> Optimizer, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003812
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2917. # [22:47] <dholbert> Optimizer, looks like it's fixed on inbound
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2919. # [22:47] <Optimizer> glad to hear that it was not just me :)
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2928. # [22:52] <Mossop> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I assume the dt1 failure on fx-team is likely jlongster's patch?
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2930. # [22:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Mossop: i think so
2931. # [22:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> waiting on some retriggers to prove it
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2934. # [22:54] <erahm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: sorry was afk, thanks for backing that out. I'll take a look, I think that test just needs to be updated
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2936. # [22:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> erahm: try run? :)
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2938. # [22:55] <erahm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: For some reason I thought it was a known issue :(
2939. # [22:56] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> erahm: uh
2940. # [22:57] <erahm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: as in this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=937078, but clearly that's different. anyhow will fix
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2949. # [23:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/4021cb194737 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 2b48d8dcac21 (bug 995252) for linux debug mochitest-dt failures.
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2951. # [23:09] <jgilbert> any DOM peers around to r+ something trivial?
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2953. # [23:09] <jgilbert> /suggestions on who has a short review queue
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2955. # [23:10] <@bz> jgilbert: if it's trivial, I can look
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2957. # [23:10] <jgilbert> bz, bug 998046
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2961. # [23:13] <@bz> jgilbert: done
2962. # [23:14] <jgilbert> bz, thanks!
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2965. # [23:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/734b0e34e002 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 998046 - Use vendor suffix for PVRTC enums. - r=kamidphish,bz
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2972. # [23:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2194f49fce4f - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 1004447 - Fix unwound scope override pc logic to only override pc if we need to call the debug epilogue. (r=jandem)
2973. # [23:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/4fbc58906fac - Richard Newman - Bug 1003911 - Part 1: don't try to extract null favicons from the database. r=margaret
2974. # [23:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/ac0e2abada09 - Richard Newman - Bug 1003911 - Part 2: don't write null favicons or thumbnails into the DB. r=margaret
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2977. # [23:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1efb117b969c - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 1004309 - Add func to assert shadowed state is correct. - r=kamidphish
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2981. # [23:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/3ef980eb91ab - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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2985. # [23:24] <mjrosenb> ugh. nightly appears hung.
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2988. # [23:26] <mjrosenb> https://gist.github.com/11462114
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2990. # [23:26] <mjrosenb> this looks like a deadlock?
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2996. # [23:28] <mjrosenb> bz: you know everything, does anything in that callstack look familiar?
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2999. # [23:29] <@bz> mjrosenb: looking
3000. # [23:29] <@bz> mmm
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3002. # [23:29] <@bz> trying to enter something on the main thread....
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3005. # [23:30] <@bz> Hard to tell whether it's a deadlock before seeing what other threads are up to
3006. # [23:30] <@bz> but seems pretty plausible. :(
3007. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ad3355a8d31f - Mark Finkle - Bug 1001279 - Add support of websites to opt-out of casting videos r=wesj
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3009. # [23:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c788ef01538a - Mark Finkle - Bug 1001279 - Add support of websites to opt-out of casting videos (tests) r=wesj
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3011. # [23:31] * mjrosenb analyzed it as a deadlock because firefox wasn't eating cpu time, and when I poked it with gdb, something was waiting on a lock. (after about 45 seconds of being unresponsive).
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3016. # [23:32] <mjrosenb> https://gist.github.com/11462266 -- looks like a lot of waiting.
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3025. # [23:34] <mjrosenb> bz: ^
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3029. # [23:36] <@bz> mjrosenb: well, yes
3030. # [23:36] <@bz> mjrosenb: the question is whether some of them are in gstreamer code and waiting
3031. # [23:36] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, stack traces of all threads (is that "thread apply all bt" or something like that?) would help
3032. # [23:37] <mjrosenb> dbaron: danke. I would normally look that up, but my browser is hung :-p
3033. # [23:37] <botond> ehsan: it worked!!
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3035. # [23:37] <@bz> This is why you need multiple browsers
3036. # [23:37] <@ehsan> botond: yay!
3037. # [23:38] <botond> ehsan: so either going from emulator to desktop made it work, or going from out parameter to return value
3038. # [23:38] <@ehsan> botond: so you were getting bitten by the out args right?
3039. # [23:38] <@ehsan> botond: you can easily test that
3040. # [23:38] <botond> ehsan: yup
3041. # [23:38] <@ehsan> let me know what you find out!
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3043. # [23:38] <botond> ehsan: will do
3044. # [23:38] <@ehsan> ty
3045. # [23:38] <botond> ehsan: if it turns out to be the out params thing, do you think that's worth investigating? (perhaps with bz/bholley's help?)
3046. # [23:39] <@bz> e.g. http://web.mit.edu/bzbarsky/www/test.png
3047. # [23:39] <botond> ehsan: or should i just not care and make two methods that return values
3048. # [23:39] <mjrosenb> dbaron: bz: https://gist.github.com/11462431
3049. # [23:39] <@ehsan> botond: I'd file a bug in that case and move on
3050. # [23:39] <@bz> (part of my desktop)
3051. # [23:39] <mjrosenb> bz: I agree! this is a new machine, and I haven't gotten a chance to install anything else on it.
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3053. # [23:39] <@ehsan> bz: haha!
3054. # [23:39] <@bz> ehsan: it's useful! ;)
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3056. # [23:40] <@ehsan> bz: you'll need a bigger screen soon!
3057. # [23:40] <philor> jorendorff: looks like we have a devtools test insisting that 0910 == 910, do you want to introduce it to the new reality, or have KWierso|sheriffduty back out bug 957513?
3058. # [23:40] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, well, threads 12-16 might be interesting... but I don't know anything about gstreamer
3059. # [23:40] <@bz> ehsan: Could be!
3060. # [23:40] <@bz> ehsan: or smaller icons
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3062. # [23:41] <@ehsan> bz: or a shell
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3064. # [23:41] <@bz> mjrosenb: none of the other threads are in gstreamer code
3065. # [23:41] <@bz> mjrosenb: so we're not obviously deadlocked....
3066. # [23:41] <@bz> ehsan: I have shell aliases for all those firefoxen
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3068. # [23:41] <@bz> ehsan: since they all have different profiles too, etc
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3070. # [23:42] <@ehsan> bz: nice!
3071. # [23:42] <@bz> ehsan: I could move them off the desktop, really, but then it would look so empty... ;)
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3073. # [23:42] <@bz> ehsan: have to have different profiles because I want the current one updating, but not the others
3074. # [23:42] <@ehsan> right
3075. # [23:42] <@bz> anyway
3076. # [23:42] <@bz> dinnertime
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3080. # [23:42] <mjrosenb> c.c I just got back from lunch.
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3082. # [23:43] <@ehsan> mjrosenb: rumor says the earth is round ;)
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3084. # [23:43] <Gijs> terrence: hrm? :)
3085. # [23:43] <Gijs> (I mean, I like compliments, just wondering what it was about)
3086. # [23:43] <mjrosenb> ehsan: sey, but bz and I are in the same timezone.
3087. # [23:44] <Gijs> sfink: glad you like the mochitest thingy... this was one of those "this was surprisingly easy, why did nobody do it before?" patches...
3088. # [23:44] <@ehsan> mjrosenb: ah, eastern?
3089. # [23:44] <mjrosenb> ehsan: ja.
3090. # [23:44] <@ehsan> me too!
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3092. # [23:44] <terrence> Gijs: --app-override
3093. # [23:44] <@ehsan> mjrosenb: that's a really late lunch!
3094. # [23:44] <terrence> Gijs: not that it worked for me, but I'm glad it exists in some form, somewhere
3095. # [23:45] <mjrosenb> although "eastern" could also refer to eastern european :-p
3096. # [23:45] * mjrosenb as at least somewhat sure eest is a timezone.
3097. # [23:45] <@dbaron> EST, EEST, EAST...
3098. # [23:45] <Gijs> terrence: yeah, I was a little surprised when I couldn't find it the last few times I needed it, and this time it was either implement it, or do lots of try pushes, and so I implemented... :)
3099. # [23:45] <@dbaron> er, really EST, EET, EAST, or EDT, EEST, EADT
3100. # [23:45] <Gijs> terrence: anyway, glad you l ike it!
3101. # [23:45] <Gijs> *like, even
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3105. # [23:46] * @dbaron is really annoyed the construction noise came back
3106. # [23:46] <mjrosenb> dbaron: I consider EST and EDT the same thing, since it refers to the same geographic area (for the most part)
3107. # [23:47] <mjrosenb> also, describing geographic areas with timezones may not be the most useful practice in the world.
3108. # [23:47] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor|away: I'll back that out in a minute unless I get a response :)
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3125. # [23:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5cf5f00fc6ac - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 1efb117b969c (bug 1004309) for build bustage on a CLOSED TREE
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