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# Session Start: Wed May 14 00:00:00 2014
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:03] <s1991> Hello, I want to contribute for mozilla. But I want to know is there any way I can get certificate instead?
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# [00:04] <Callek> s1991: what do you mean by "get certificate instead"?
# [00:04] <bz> Man
# [00:04] <bz> try is so overloaded....
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# [00:04] <Callek> bz: fwiw it is quite possibly a burst in pendings by a configuration/state issue not realistic pending burst
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# [00:05] <bz> Dunno
# [00:05] <Callek> bz: also a chunk of our infra is not handing out jobs right now, there is work ongoing to fix that (nothing is completely out of comission, just a small chunk)
# [00:05] <bz> The numbers have been high for a while now....
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# [00:05] <Callek> bz: so was just saying that the numbers you are seeing may be artificially inflated
# [00:05] <Callek> and yea the issue was for a few hours at least, we just caught the correlations a few min ago
# [00:05] <bz> 'k
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# [00:06] <s1991> Callek: can I get a certificate if I contribute to some project, so that I may help me in future
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# [00:06] <Callek> s1991: ahh, we don't do any form of official "This certifies you did X" at least to my knowledge
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# [00:07] <Callek> I still personally would list your contributions on a resume/CV if you feel they are noteworthy enough, since we're fully public anyone can verify your contributions are genuine
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# [00:07] <Callek> we also have resources like https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/Callek at your disposal as well :-) (yea I linked to myself incase you're curious what it looks like)
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# [00:31] <jez> where do i file a bug in CustomizableUI.jsm?
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# [00:34] <dholbert> jez, check its 'hg log'?
# [00:34] <yeukhon> jez: having no experience with customizableUI i think this is a good guide: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986503
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# [00:34] <yeukhon> toolbars & customization ?
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# [00:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e3b3d083109 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 6761e016c804 (bug 1009680) for m-oth bustage on an otherwise CLOSED TREE
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# [01:01] <nthomas> anyone have the bug on hand for mac nightly drawing the awesome bar drop down in the wrong place ?
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# [01:06] <@smaug> who has broken mxr :/
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# [01:06] <Callek> smaug: ugh mxr is broken, whats the symptoms/problem?
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# [01:07] <Callek> bkero: you away on PTO yet?
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# [01:09] <@smaug> Callek: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=GetCompartmentPrivate for example leads to odd results
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# [01:09] <@smaug> scroll down
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# [01:09] <@smaug> lines which have just };
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# [01:10] <Callek> yea looks like the glimpse index is off/broken if I had to guess here
# [01:10] <Callek> (e.g. returning wrong lines entirely)
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# [01:11] <Callek> no mxr code changes at least http://hg.mozilla.org/webtools/mxr/
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# [01:20] <Callek> smaug: sooo I have webops looking and got "[19:18:33] jakem Callek: interestingly those two... mozilla-central and comm-central ... are both processing right now"
# [01:20] <Callek> smaug: we're gonna keep an eye on it and relook soon (mozilla-aurora looked sane when we peeked with same ident query)
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# [01:26] <bjacob> NeilAway: hmmm move semantics. /me needs to actually learn about that
# [01:26] <bjacob> (wrt nsRefPtr&& as possible successor to already_AddRefed)
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# [01:27] <froydnj> bjacob: I recommend http://thbecker.net/articles/rvalue_references/section_01.html
# [01:27] <bjacob> froydnj: thanks!
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# [01:28] <froydnj> bjacob: yes; ns{COM,Ref}Ptr are already_AddRefed done correctly within the language
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# [01:29] <froydnj> may require sprinkling Move() calls everywhere, though, soo...
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# [01:29] <Callek> smaug: so http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=GetCompartmentPrivate&tree=mozilla-central&;filter= looks good now :-)
# [01:29] <bjacob> froydnj: move() is just returning a reference to its argument ?
# [01:29] <Callek> thanks for reporting of course
# [01:29] <bjacob> er
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# [01:29] <bjacob> rvalue ref ?
# [01:30] <froydnj> bjacob: yes
# [01:30] <bjacob> froydnj: where would you need to sprinkle it ?
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# [01:30] <froydnj> bjacob: see e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8419663&action=edit
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# [01:32] <@smaug> Callek: yup
# [01:32] <@smaug> thanks
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# [01:32] <Callek> smaug: I'm told its still processing so other queries might get similar bustage for a bit -- but it looks like it was something transient
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# [01:32] <bjacob> froydnj: but in the case of replacing already_addrefed. Typically, that was the return type of a function, that would now return nsRefPtr&&. If I have a nsRefPtr variable and want to return it in my nsRefPtr&&-returning function, do I need Move() or is the conversion implicit in the return statement ?
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# [01:34] <@smaug> nsRefPtr&& o_O
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# [01:34] <froydnj> bjacob: offhand, I think you return nsRefPtr and Move(...) in the caller...I think
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# [01:34] <froydnj> jcranmer has thought this through a little more, I believe
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# [01:35] <bjacob> smaug: the future. it's happening. it comes with a lot of syntax.
# [01:35] <@smaug> Why would we want nsRefPtr&&
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# [01:35] <Callek> smaug: I'm curious though, that for your use-case why dxr.m.o is sub-par?
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# [01:36] <@smaug> Callek: eh
# [01:36] <Callek> smaug: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ ;_)
# [01:36] <bjacob> froydnj: ah, ok. At the moment, the caller has to call .forget() manually, right? So we are only trading one manual call for another
# [01:36] <@smaug> it doesn't index .idl or .webidl, at least last time I tried
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# [01:36] <@smaug> Callek: it is limited to some trees
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# [01:36] <bjacob> smaug: it would remove the need for already_AddRefed for trading a refptr between callee and caller
# [01:36] <froydnj> bjacob: yeah. arguably having it in the callee rather than the caller is nicer, and the types are a little nicer in that case as well
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# [01:37] <bjacob> froydnj: ah, in the _caller_... I see... that's not great
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# [01:38] <froydnj> bjacob: no :/
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# [01:38] <@smaug> bjacob: so how would nsRefPtr&& work as a return value?
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# [01:38] <@smaug> it can be assigned to nsRefPtr ?
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# [01:39] <froydnj> smaug: yes
# [01:39] <bjacob> smaug: that's what we're discussing ^
# [01:39] <@smaug> ah, Move() part
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# [01:39] <Callek> smaug: it does at least m-c right now, and seems to work pretty good for compiled code (so far) --- c.f. https://wiki.mozilla.org/DXR_Roadmap and your mxr query
# [01:39] <Callek> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?q=GetCompartmentPrivate&redirect=true
# [01:40] <@smaug> that would be another ctor for nsRefPtr
# [01:40] <@smaug> Callek: what about seamonkey, beta, aurora, 1.8, 1.8.1 etc
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# [01:40] <froydnj> yes, it's already there, I think
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# [01:40] <bjacob> i hope that we can use the new exciting c++ language features before i am completely disgusted of c++, so i can enjoy it some
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# [01:40] <Callek> smaug: you at least already have "comm-central" (which covers SeaMonkey/Thunderbird): http://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?q=GetCompartmentPrivate
# [01:41] <froydnj> bjacob: it's quite a race!
# [01:41] <Callek> smaug: the other trees are planned additions but not there yet
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# [01:41] <@smaug> Callek: with seamonkey I mean cvs
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# [01:41] <@smaug> http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/
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# [01:41] <Callek> smaug: yea, figured as much (mxr's use of "seamonkey" is of course old and dated)
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# [01:41] <Callek> smaug: the person who works on adding trees is 100% devoted to git.m.o mirroring/perf right now
# [01:42] <bjacob> froydnj: it would be funny to have a peek at 2020's c++ coding styles ....
# [01:42] <Callek> I at least need the releng repos indexed before I can care more about dxr for my everyday use cases as well
# [01:42] <@smaug> Callek: also, it is hard to use
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# [01:42] <Callek> so we're in similar boats, but for m-c dev itself I'd think it would be a good thing to try and start using again
# [01:42] <bjacob> froydnj: "try to get a superreview before introducing yet another domain-specific language in strings processed by constexpr functions"
# [01:42] <@smaug> basic thing like search for a file is harder
# [01:42] <Callek> they have made many strides since even ~ a year ago
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# [01:43] <Callek> smaug: http://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?q=path%3Aclient.mk&case=false
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# [01:44] <@smaug> Callek: exactly
# [01:44] <@smaug> you need to type path:
# [01:44] <Callek> meh thats minor imo
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# [01:44] <Callek> but I can see why it might be a pain
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# [01:45] <Callek> smaug: that exact "path" thing is also in the roadmap as "top of the heap" https://wiki.mozilla.org/DXR_Roadmap
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# [02:04] <jcranmer> bjacob: returning nsRefPtr&& is almost always wron
# [02:05] <jcranmer> an rvalue reference is ultimately a pointer
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# [02:07] <squib> yeah you should probably not be returning a reference
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# [02:09] <bjacob> jcranmer: bear with me, i havent really learned about rvalue references yet :) thanks for the explanation
# [02:10] <jcranmer> you generally want value semantics, i.e., return nsRefPtr<T> instead
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# [02:10] <jcranmer> the main thing stopping us from doing that is that nsRefPtr<T> has an implicit operator T*()
# [02:10] <jcranmer> so if you say
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# [02:10] <jcranmer> T *x = GetAddRefedT();
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# [02:11] <jcranmer> the x is released before its next use
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# [02:11] <jcranmer> it's actually possible to make that not compile (define an operator T*() && = delete;)
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# [02:11] <@smaug> jcranmer: also, nsRefPtr<Foo> foo = GetFoo(); shouldn't addref, if possible
# [02:11] <jcranmer> but the feature that requires is a min gcc 4.8.1/msvc 2013.next, so we only have one platform where it works
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# [02:12] <jcranmer> smaug: move constructors
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# [02:13] <@smaug> right
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# [02:14] <jcranmer> which we already have
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# [02:33] <glandium> someone around with a mac can paste the output for "clang --version" ?
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# [02:34] <glandium> s/with a mac/under osx/
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# [02:40] <nalexander> chocho:gecko-dev nalexander$ clang --version
# [02:40] <nalexander> Apple LLVM version 5.1 (clang-503.0.40) (based on LLVM 3.4svn)
# [02:40] <nalexander> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.1.0
# [02:40] <nalexander> Thread model: posix
# [02:40] <nalexander> glandium: ^
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# [02:40] <glandium> nalexander: thanks
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# [03:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93a9a7e73eb1 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 1007549 - Simplify the control flow in allocateFromArenaInline(). r=jonco.
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# [03:30] * markh read that as allocateFromAdrenaline, which sounds appropriate...
# [03:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83b7b82834f0 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 1005442 - Strip moz-nullprincipal UUIDs when diffing memory reports. r=mccr8.
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# [03:32] <nigelb> morning
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# [03:33] <markh> KWierso: if you liked the chat resize patch, you will probably also like the patch in bug 916497 :)
# [03:33] <KWierso> markh++
# [03:33] <KWierso> hi nigelb
# [03:33] <markh> KWierso: and I'm confident I'll have all thumbnail oranges nailed soon
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# [03:34] <KWierso> markh++++
# [03:34] <markh> (that patch is only 1/2 of them)
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# [03:46] <hwine> mattwoodrow|away: looking into your try push
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# [03:50] <hwine> glandium: looks like your try push is taking a while -- anything odd on this?
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# [03:50] <glandium> hwine: the usual "lock" thing
# [03:50] <KWierso> hwine: jsantell over in #jetpack was having trouble with a try push if you want to get in touch with him
# [03:50] <hwine> oh, are _you_ seeing the lock messages? you own th e lock right now
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# [03:51] <glandium> hwine: fun one. i did 3 pushes that i ctrl+c'ed and ended up with "waiting for lock on repository /repo/hg/mozilla/try held by 'hgssh1.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com:8664'"
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# [03:51] <glandium> the fourth one, which is probably the one you saw, ended with: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5151841
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# [03:52] <glandium> hwine: so it would seem we have a dead lock situation
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# [03:53] <glandium> hwine: note the hook has apparently not run
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# [03:53] <glandium> hwine: so i don't have the try url, and my push is not in the pushlog either
# [03:53] <hwine> glandium: that's new info -- let me check a bit -- yeah, pushlog not updated yet
# [03:53] <glandium> and my push is not on https://hg.mozilla.org/try/
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# [03:54] <hwine> ah, yes, your push is still in process -- why do you think it ended?
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# [03:54] <glandium> hwine: well, i ended it with ctrl+c
# [03:54] <glandium> hwine: so on my end, it's ended
# [03:54] <hwine> ah, that doesn't end it just makes it do extra work
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# [03:55] <glandium> yeah, well, i could certainly see this as being part of the problem...
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# [03:55] <hwine> depending exactly when you ^C it may think it needs to roll back the transaction :(
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# [03:56] <glandium> hwine: yeah, but why would it take forever to do so?
# [03:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca72332a6bf9 - Randell Jesup - Bug 981780: fix disable-webrtc r=glandium
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# [03:56] <glandium> that really smells like a bug in either mercurial or hooks
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# [03:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d2bbffee6ea - Landry Breuil - Bug 981780: disable some dom/media webrtc tests if webrtc isnt enabled r=drno
# [03:59] <glandium> hwine: my first attempt at a push was 50 minutes ago, fwiw
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# [04:00] <glandium> hwine: i'd really like to push, now
# [04:00] <hwine> glandium: you and a bunch of other folks :(
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# [04:01] <hwine> so, looks like this push has been running ~26m -- how long ago did you do the ^C
# [04:01] <glandium> hwine: what's the mercurial version on the server?
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# [04:02] <glandium> hwine: after you pinged me
# [04:02] <hwine> glandium: immatterial at the moment - 2.5.4 -- and no, the hg team doesn't have any reason why newer would fix
# [04:02] <glandium> hwine: by hg team, you mean upstream or the people at moco handling the servers?
# [04:03] <hwine> we are going to try a new reset technique this weekend during tree closure
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# [04:03] <glandium> hwine: are we going to get a python with debug info?
# [04:03] <hwine> nope - not yet -- we'd only do that after we moved to a newer version
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# [04:04] <hwine> we know roughly where it's spinnign, just no one has s good theory for why
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# [04:04] <glandium> hwine: you'd know why if you could debug it
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# [04:06] <hwine> perhaps -- it spins in a tight loop in ancestor.py at 100% cpu, but it is NOT an infinite loop AND no syscalls or library calls are being made :)
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# [04:06] <hwine> so, it must be something about the particular data it is handed
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# [04:06] <glandium> hwine: well, obviously, if my push was able to go through after a while, it's not an infinite loop :)
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# [04:07] <hwine> yes, but no one has any theory for the non-infinte loop with a non-corrupt repo :)
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# [04:08] <glandium> hwine: is 23405 still me?
# [04:08] <hwine> yep -- >31 cpu minutes & counting
# [04:08] <glandium> or did we move to someone else?
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# [04:08] <glandium> hwine: would it be possible to get a copy of the try repo?
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# [04:09] <hwine> it won't move to someone else -- each ssh connection spawns a new hg process
# [04:09] <hwine> sure - just clone over ssh
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# [04:09] <glandium> hwine: cloning doesn't get the exact same content
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# [04:10] <hwine> hmm, then I'd say no -- I'm the backup operator, and don't have access to all of the machinery
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# [04:11] <hwine> no -- the #heads is only an issue for http clones, due to use of http headers
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# [04:15] <hwine> glandium: you finally finished -- if you try to push again, please don't ^C
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# [04:16] <hwine> bhacket is pushing now
# [04:17] <glandium> hwine: that's not very sustainable
# [04:17] <glandium> we can't have everyone refrain from doing ctrl+c when their push doesn't go through after 10 minutes
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# [04:18] <hwine> glandium: agreed -- the session should lock it out, but there is a reason someone put that message there :)
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# [04:18] <glandium> hwine: the problem is that message isn't displayed until you do ctrl+c
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# [04:19] <glandium> i guess mercurial doesn't flush its output or something
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# [04:19] <hwine> glandium: are you sure? I see the "please don't interrupt" message sooner, iirc
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# [04:20] <hwine> but, whatever, we both agree that's not the real solution
# [04:20] <glandium> hwine: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5152015 this is all i see
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# [04:20] <glandium> that's certainly not helping
# [04:20] <markh> windows certainly doesn't display any messages about locks or "don't press ctrl+c" until it has completed
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# [04:20] <markh> well - "completed" includes failing or ctrl+cing
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# [04:21] <hwine> hmmm, odd -- I'll add that to my list of oddities
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# [04:21] <markh> actually, I might be lieing :/ I'm using moz-git-tools to push
# [04:21] <markh> so probably ignore that
# [04:21] <glandium> hwine: it's probably a client issue
# [04:21] <hwine> my pushes never hang ;)
# [04:22] <glandium> hwine: you never push to try, then
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# [04:22] <hwine> that is also true -- well, I used to and the folks in NZ screamed (I was trying to get wall clock push times)
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# [04:26] <hwine> but, all kidding asside, we're now at >3 hours since a successful push to try. If this one doesn't go through, I may have to consider a reset <= scary under the circumstances
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# [04:26] <jgilbert> my chain of attempts to push to try have failed for the last half hour, at least
# [04:27] <glandium> hwine: how many incoming mercurials are there waiting for a lock?
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# [04:28] <glandium> hwine: so, i confirm, this is a client issue. it only displays the remote output once the unbundle (upload of the changes) went through
# [04:28] <hwine> glandium: I don't think there's a way to check -- there is no notion of queueing in hg
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# [04:28] <glandium> hwine: you can check how many hg serve processes there are
# [04:28] <glandium> with an sshd parent
# [04:29] <glandium> "hg -R try serve --stdio", even
# [04:29] <hwine> yes, but that's all repos -- so overly high, not exact
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# [04:30] <hwine> er, yeah -- don't know why I was told differently in the past
# [04:31] <hwine> 10 usch processes at the moment, so 9 waiting
# [04:31] <glandium> so this is really not going to go well
# [04:32] <hwine> glandium: unknown -- it will unblock and everyone else flow through in seconds ...
# [04:32] <hwine> ... if it unblocks
# [04:33] <hwine> anyone know bhackett's irc nick? not in phone book, and not bhackett
# [04:33] <glandium> hwine: it's apparently been blocking for several pushes, there's no reason it won't continue
# [04:33] <glandium> hwine: nattokirai
# [04:34] <hwine> nattokirai: you push is currently running -- please do NOT ^C it
# [04:34] <glandium> ah mixed up
# [04:34] <hwine> glandium: the data neither support nor refute that position
# [04:34] <glandium> not the right person
# [04:34] <hwine> :)
# [04:35] <hwine> I guess we're all having 'try' problems
# [04:35] <glandium> at least 9 of us currently
# [04:35] * markh is one of them
# [04:35] <nattokirai> hmmm, don't think i have anything running...
# [04:35] <jgilbert> I had two, but they expired
# [04:35] <glandium> nattokirai: forget it, i just mixed up names
# [04:35] <nattokirai> my last push was a while ago
# [04:35] <nattokirai> ok, np
# [04:36] <glandium> names in ett
# [04:36] <glandium> they all look the same ;)
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# [04:44] <markh> hwine: which directory and what should the filename be?
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# [04:44] <markh> or you mean the phonebook?
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# [04:48] <glandium> hwine: it should be possible to query the ldap to know the names behind the logins
# [04:48] <hwine> I've got them
# [04:48] <tn> hwine: yeah, i contrl-c after a couple mins and try again. should i not?
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# [04:49] <hwine> tn: not recommended and doesn't really help you go faster, but I guess we don't warn against it the way I though
# [04:49] <hwine> tn: if you were pushing, it aborts your push and rolls back, otherwise, just knocks you out of the queue
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# [05:04] * @dolske notes lack of benchmarks / comparisons to other engines... are they being coy? :)
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# [05:20] <nigelb> KWierso|afk: hey, did something break bc1 on b-i?
# [05:21] <nigelb> Or is it just a case of shitty tests?
# [05:21] <mattwoodrow> hwine: Going ahead with the reset? Try still isn’t working for me
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# [05:25] <KWierso|afk> broken on fx-team, though
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# [05:32] <hwine> woot! last try push went through!
# [05:32] <hwine> and one more since!
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# [05:34] <KWierso|afk> nigelb: thanks for the heads up
# [05:34] <hwine> glandium: you're pushing now -- I'll wait for you to be successful before I declare total victory
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# [05:34] <hwine> (for tonight)
# [05:35] <mattwoodrow> hwine: Did you change something?
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# [05:35] <nigelb> KWierso|afk: :)
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# [05:35] <nigelb> KWierso|afk: I should just clone all the trees so I can do the backout next time :)
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# [05:35] <nigelb> hehehe
# [05:35] <hwine> mattwoodrow: no -- it just unblocks sometimes if no one presses ^C
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# [05:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e915549578d - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 1005836 - Avoid slop NodePool::Block allocations. r=mccr8.
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# [05:56] * tn doesnt ctrl-c and waits for his try push to succeed.
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# [05:57] <mattwoodrow> tn: Try is still closed though
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# [05:57] <tn> my push started before it was closed
# [05:57] <mattwoodrow> I dunno if that matters
# [05:57] <mattwoodrow> but maybe!
# [05:57] <tn> well im not gonna ctrl-c cause that make ruin it for everyone
# [05:58] <tn> might
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# [05:58] <mattwoodrow> I wish you luck
# [05:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/1c25bbb1fd76 - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Part 3: manifest changes for locale changes on API 17. r=nalexander
# [05:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/8e90d6525389 - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Pre: commenting. r=nalexander
# [05:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/cb8d6f98fbc2 - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Part 2: add 'Language' section to top-level preferences, allowing for browser locale switching. r=nalexander
# [05:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/7cf6451e1c88 - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Part 5: UI telemetry for locale switching. r=mfinkle
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/84cc0fb8d2f9 - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Part 4: handle resetting to the system default locale. r=nalexander
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# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/7cc9eb361a9d - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Part 0: refactor checking of isGeckoPref inside GeckoPreferences. r=liuche
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/b0819a1afd15 - Richard Newman - Bug 917480 - Part 1: add basic locale preference handling to GeckoPreferences. r=liuche
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# [06:02] <hwine> glandium: wow - how big is your push? 45 minutes in and you're still piping data to the server! :)
# [06:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d6bd79de08f4 - Dan Gohman - Bug 1008106 - IonMonkey: Set has-bounds flags after Range::refineInt32BoundsByExponent r=nbp
# [06:02] <glandium> hwine: my push is small. but i'm also cloning on the side, so the data piping you're seeing is likely that
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# [06:03] <glandium> hwine: my push process is waiting for the server
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# [06:05] <hwine> glandium: odd, no one has anything locked yet -- your in, as you're cranking up cpu time
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# [06:09] <hwine> glandium: I suggest you stop your clone -- you're in a pipe_w state - that's often associated with a slow or hung ssh connection
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# [06:10] <glandium> hwine: no, my clone is receiving data just fine
# [06:10] <hwine> glandium: right, but your push process is waiting on data
# [06:10] <glandium> hwine: which is unrelated to the clone
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# [06:11] <hwine> only one way to prove that ;)
# [06:11] <glandium> hwine: and the client doing the push is not in a state where it's going to send anything. it's waiting for an answer from the server
# [06:11] <glandium> hwine: so if the server part of the push is waiting for data, obviously, we're going nowhere
# [06:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d37218a619e - Matt Woodrow - Bug 1008787 - Clip plugin layers to the size layout expects since plugin surfaces get updated asynchronously. r=roc
# [06:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/370d74cb269d - Matt Woodrow - Bug 1001853 - Don't loop waiting on the monitor, and acccount for the fact that timeouts are treated as success. r=jgilbert
# [06:12] <hwine> you aren't - everyone else worked fine
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# [06:12] <glandium> everyone as in one push
# [06:13] <glandium> according to pushlog
# [06:13] <hwine> 2 pushes :)
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# [06:14] <hwine> for some reason, your data is trickling in -- you're in pipe_w, but cpu time is increasing
# [06:15] <glandium> hwine: you're obviously looking at the cloning process
# [06:15] <glandium> look at the other one
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# [06:15] <glandium> and it's perfectly normal for a clone process to be in pipe_w
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# [06:17] <hwine> mm, not so sure - you're "other" process is sshd - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5152750
# [06:19] <glandium> hwine: i doubt there's only one hg process attributed to me on the server
# [06:19] <hwine> okay, so my bad, you've got zero push going
# [06:19] <hwine> you only have 2 processes right now sshd->hg
# [06:19] <glandium> hwine: the push finished with https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5152777
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# [06:20] <glandium> hwine: now a push gets through and i'm getting the try closure message
# [06:21] <mattwoodrow> can we try opening it then?
# [06:21] <hwine> let me reopen try and you can push again -- that 2622 is the one that completed successfuly
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# [06:21] <hwine> glandium: reopened
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# [06:22] <glandium> hwine: pushing
# [06:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/57ed722744fe - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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# [06:22] <hwine> okay, that looks like a push - 100% cpu :)
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# [06:27] <glandium> hwine: not really moving fast
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# [06:28] <hwine> yeah - 6 min cpu time so far
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# [06:29] <hwine> your push is based on a m-c from how long ago?
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# [06:29] <glandium> hwine: m-i from a few hours ago
# [06:29] <glandium> hwine: added 10 changesets with 22 changes to 17 files (+1 heads)
# [06:30] <glandium> that's what it was telling me when i pushed on the tree closed
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# [06:30] <glandium> and /that/ was fast
# [06:30] <glandium> so this means it's a hook
# [06:30] <glandium> a hook that's after the tree closure one
# [06:31] <glandium> where can i find the hook config ?
# [06:33] <glandium> hwine: ^
# [06:34] <hwine> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5152870
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# [06:35] <hwine> lsof didn't show any hooks open
# [06:35] <glandium> hwine: python doesn't keep files opened once they're loaded
# [06:36] <hwine> ah - you know, it's getting late for me :/
# [06:36] <glandium> hwine: if that's really the only hooks enabled on try, i could buy try_gcc45 being a problem
# [06:36] <glandium> and it's old enough that it doesn't matter anymore
# [06:36] <glandium> hwine: can you try removing that hook, and i try pushing again?
# [06:36] <hwine> what would that hook be doing?
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# [06:37] <glandium> hwine: it's using ancestor()
# [06:37] <glandium> hwine: http://hg.mozilla.org/hgcustom/hghooks/file/6f53da7dc8d3/mozhghooks/try_gcc45.py
# [06:38] <hwine> glandium: I'm starting to be on fumes - what's the theory that your commit tickles it, but not the successful ones
# [06:39] <glandium> hwine: it's obviously not only my commit, but it could be mercurial not liking the changeset graph between 3a38a70b0e12 and my push
# [06:39] <glandium> hwine: it's an old enough hook that it's not relevant anymore
# [06:39] <glandium> hwine: removing it at least temporarily to see if it changes anything is not going to hurt
# [06:39] <glandium> hwine: i'm the one who added that hook, so i know ;)
# [06:40] <hwine> glandium: I'm being uber cautious here -- there is no safety net atm
# [06:40] <glandium> hwine: this hook is 3 years old
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# [06:40] <glandium> hwine: to detect if someone is pushing something older than that
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# [06:42] <hwine> right, but why wouldn't it have gotten upset with https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/f33089d37dd0
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# [06:44] <glandium> hwine: yeah well, i'm blind here, and all i can see is that my push went through just fine until hitting the tree closure hook. Considering the try_gcc45 hook is after that, uses ancestor() and you said pushes where blocking in ancestor.py...
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# [06:44] <glandium> i'm shooting in the dark here. It doesn't hurt to try
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# [06:45] <hwine> okay - we're both blind -- and with a pun that bad, I'll cut some slack
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# [06:45] <Callek> hwine: fwiw I don't see anything wrong with temp turning off that hook based on glandium's suggestion
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# [06:46] <Callek> sounds as valid as anything else atm (and less destructive than a full reset, for sure)
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# [06:46] <glandium> hwine: you're less blind than i am, since you have access to the server and i don't. And no one wants to do the extra work (building python with debug info) that would allow to have definite answers as to wtf is going on
# [06:46] <hwine> Callek: agreed and I just did that -- glandium go ahead and repush
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# [06:47] <hwine> glandium: and I'm also very aware that I'm working on a system I'm completely unfamiliar with, with all more knowledable folks in the air to foreign destinations
# [06:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/73af621c4734 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [06:47] <vlad> is tryserver still down/dead?
# [06:47] <hwine> glandium: AND, I reserve the right to be a grumpy old man after 9pm local :)
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# [06:48] <Callek> hwine: also realize my suspicion on "it failing on glandium" and "not failing on others" could also be with the fact that theres an ocean between glandium and hg.m.o (e.g. the wire transfer of whatever ancester stuff is used might make things slow)
# [06:48] <glandium> hwine: and i reserve the right to be pissed after having hit those issues dozens of times in the past weeks
# [06:48] <glandium> Callek: my push is relatively slow
# [06:49] <glandium> s/slow/small/
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# [06:49] <glandium> remote: waiting for lock on repository /repo/hg/mozilla/try held by 'hgssh1.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com:20765'
# [06:49] <Callek> glandium: sure, but I wonder if its doing the hg ancester operations on your local machine and going back and forth with what it needs to know, rather than realizing "new csets are only these 2" and doing everything hg.m.o local
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# [06:49] <glandium> Callek: no, hooks don't do exchanges with the client
# [06:50] <Callek> yea been a while since I was digging around in hg internals like that :/
# [06:50] <glandium> who is 20765?
# [06:50] <TechWiz9910> where can we find the patches submitted by others on some bug
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# [06:50] <hwine> glandium: totally understood, and I'm hugely grateful that you're willing to put the time in tonight -- this is the best info we've had to date
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# [06:51] <hwine> glandium: that's your process
# [06:51] <glandium> hwine: the one that was already blocked, then
# [06:51] <hwine> want me to kill it on the server
# [06:52] <glandium> considering i killed it on my end, yes
# [06:52] <hwine> it's still at 100% cpu
# [06:52] <hwine> glandium: gone
# [06:52] <hwine> and you're back pushing
# [06:53] <glandium> are there other pushes?
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# [06:53] <birtles> I am trying to push too and I'm on the same island as glandium
# [06:53] <hwine> yes - looking to see who has lock
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# [06:54] <hwine> bz has it
# [06:54] <Callek> maybe the telco's are rate-limiting traffic from japan/asia due to the theory of lots of money there :-)
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# [06:56] <glandium> hwine: so, the problem is that if the currently locking process was started before you removed the hook, it's possible it still has the hook configured
# [06:56] <glandium> which would make the change inconclusive
# [06:56] <hwine> ah, good point -- let me check
# [06:57] <glandium> as in we don't know if it worked or not
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# [06:57] <hwine> bingo -- he's spinning at 100% cpu as well
# [06:58] <hwine> bz: fyi, we're going to kill your push as it seems to not be going anywhere, and glandium has a good theory to test
# [06:58] <markh> hrm - firebot is retiring!?
# [06:59] <glandium> hwine: are there others in the queue?
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# [06:59] <birtles> mine aborted
# [06:59] <bz> hwine: ok
# [06:59] <glandium> besides me
# [06:59] <bz> hwine: worksforme
# [06:59] <hwine> yep, killing them first
# [06:59] <markh> mine is waiting to abort
# [06:59] <bz> hwine: I can kill it myself if you want
# [06:59] <glandium> bz: sadly, that doesn't kill the server end
# [06:59] <bz> hwine: I never know when it's safe to do that with try... ;)
# [06:59] <bz> glandium: ouch. :(
# [06:59] <bz> glandium: That _sucks_
# [06:59] <hwine> you can try :) -- the server side doesn't give up for a while
# [07:00] <bz> ok
# [07:00] <bz> you go ahead and kill it. ;)
# [07:00] <bz> I killed off my end, fwiw
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# [07:01] <hwine> killed on server
# [07:02] <bz> RIP
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# [07:02] <hwine> glandium: you're running @ 100% cpu
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# [07:03] <hwine> and definately grabbed the hgrc 7m after it was modified
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# [07:04] <glandium> hwine: so it wasn't that hook after all. You can keep it removed, though. I can file a bug to regularize if you want
# [07:04] <hwine> please do -- dang, that seemed like such a good match :(
# [07:05] <glandium> hwine: i'm surprised there are so few hooks enabled, though
# [07:06] <hwine> not really -- most of our hooks enforce conventions that we don't care about on try
# [07:06] <glandium> hwine: maybe there's a global config?
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# [07:07] <glandium> hwine: what's the right component for that bug?
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# [07:07] <hwine> release eng: hooks & repos
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# [07:09] <hwine> glandium: a few other hooks -- I forgot about showconfig: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5153109
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# [07:11] <glandium> sorthooks=True... i wonder what the order is, then
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# [07:13] <glandium> hwine: 1010053
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# [07:14] <bz> hwine: Let me know when it's OK to try pushing again?
# [07:14] <hwine> glandium: should be in colating order of en_US.UTF-8
# [07:15] <gw280> is anyone able to push to try? I see the tree is open but I keep getting timeouts
# [07:15] <hwine> glandium ^^ can you think of any reason to not push
# [07:15] <glandium> hwine: besides the fact that my push is still blocked?
# [07:15] <glandium> (which means it has the lock, in all likeliness)
# [07:15] <hwine> glandium: right, maybe he'll get lucky after you fail
# [07:16] <hwine> happened earlier
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# [07:16] <hwine> gw280: there are problems -- we're debugging
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# [07:16] <gw280> hwine: thanks
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# [07:19] <glandium> hwine: so, we get to treeclosure.hook, we eliminated try_gcc45. We know the changesets don't make it to the pushlog, nor do they make it to the repo
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# [07:20] <glandium> changegroup hooks are supposed to happen after a changeset makes it to the repo, so either we're stuck in try_mandatory, which is unlikely, or there's something else fishy
# [07:21] <hwine> well, how complex is your current try line?
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# [07:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/a2a09fc0c39d - Nick Alexander - Bug 1009732 - Do only one Proguard pass when build is not MOZILLA_OFFICIAL. r=ckitching
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# [07:22] <glandium> hwine: it's a small push
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# [07:23] <hwine> ah, new factoid -- it's committed to the local repo -- your push is tip
# [07:23] <glandium> aha
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# [07:24] <glandium> it didn't make it to the pushlog, though
# [07:24] <glandium> hwine: do you know when that happened?
# [07:25] <glandium> hwine: where are the shell scripts referenced in https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5153109 ?
# [07:25] <hwine> no -- I just see your commit time --- oh, let me look at last mod on manifest
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# [07:26] <glandium> are there any push-repo.sh processes running?
# [07:26] <karl> hwine: not sure if this is useful but timeout after 10 minutes: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5153188
# [07:26] <karl> is now a bad time to be trying to push?
# [07:27] <hwine> karl: only if you're hoping for success :/
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# [07:27] <hwine> glandium: 22:01 is last mod on manifest (PDT)
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# [07:27] <hwine> glandium: let me get those scripts
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# [07:28] <glandium> hwine: so almost 30 minutes ago
# [07:28] <Callek> hwine: anything holding a file ref on the pushlog?
# [07:28] <hwine> Callek: no
# [07:29] <hwine> glandium: Callek last mod time on pushlog is 20:27 PDT
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# [07:29] <glandium> hwine: any push-repo.sh or record-pushes.sh scripts running?
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# [07:30] <hwine> glandium: no, and I manually ran the push-repo - takes ~6 seconds
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# [07:32] <glandium> hwine: can you paste the output cat /proc/pid/maps with pid=the pid of my hg serve process?
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# [07:32] <hwine> glandium: do you reemmber what the return codes for hooks do/mean
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# [07:33] <glandium> hwine: for the shell ones?
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# [07:33] <hwine> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5153262
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# [07:34] <glandium> hwine: and ls -l /proc/32065/fd ?
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# [07:35] <hwine> interesting: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5153265
# [07:36] <hwine> you don't see the blinking that means those pipes are gone
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# [07:37] <glandium> hwine: that's surprising? can you check the parent sshd process?
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# [07:38] <hwine> oh, right - I was thinking down a level -- checking
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# [07:38] <hwine> ah -- did you finally time out?
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# [07:39] <glandium> hwine: nope
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# [07:39] <glandium> hwine: but maybe the server timed out for me?
# [07:39] <hwine> yes, and someone else pushed successfully
# [07:39] <glandium> fun
# [07:39] <bz> I just pushed
# [07:39] <bz> fwiw
# [07:40] <bz> successfully, that is
# [07:40] <hwine> bwahhahahahahaha!
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# [07:40] <tn> me too
# [07:40] <glandium> hwine: ctrl-c'ed, told me remote: waiting for lock on repository /repo/hg/mozilla/try held by 'hgssh1.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com:29309'
# [07:41] <markh> woohoo - try push for me too!
# [07:41] <mattwoodrow> \o/ me too
# [07:41] <glandium> hwine: i just pushed successfully (but i had to hg qref to change the changeset id)
# [07:42] <glandium> hwine: so, maybe in the end disabling try_gcc45 did it
# [07:42] <glandium> (since my previous repush was blocked on the lock and was terminated on the server end)
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# [07:42] <hwine> I think 29309 was your pre-hook fix
# [07:43] <hwine> well, the proof will be in the pudding as the brits say
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# [07:43] <glandium> yeah, it may or may not have worked. we'll know if it stops happening for a week
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# [07:44] <glandium> hwine: thanks for your help
# [07:44] <hwine> mm, 2 weeks -- this is too intermittent of a problem
# [07:45] <hwine> glandium: no, thank YOU -- this is awesome
# [07:45] <glandium> hwine: it's been happening every single time i pushed to try recently
# [07:45] <glandium> arguably, i'm not pushing to try a lot these days
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# [07:48] <hwine> glandium: have all your recent pushes been against m-i?
# [07:48] <glandium> hwine: yes
# [07:48] <glandium> hwine: i usually pull m-i, qpush stuff on top, and push to try
# [07:48] <hwine> bz: was your try push based on m-i or m-c?
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# [07:51] <Cork> a college has problems with heap-unclassified, is there any documentation to help him track it down/help fix?
# [07:52] <hwine> glandium: I'm going to call it a night -- oncall can page me if it goes south again
# [07:52] <Cork> we've tried disabling extensions but heap-unclassified still goes up to over a gig
# [07:52] <glandium> hwine: sweet dreams
# [07:52] <bz> so....
# [07:52] <bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/addon-sdk/source/test/addons/private-browsing-supported/test-windows.js
# [07:52] <glandium> Cork: ask njn
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# [07:53] <bz> Why does trying to load that in mxr totally fail?
# [07:53] <glandium> bz: random thought: the private in the url?
# [07:53] <hwine> glandium: -- I'll dream of buying you beers next work week! :)
# [07:53] <Cork> glandium: hmm ya, why not :)
# [07:53] <hwine> bz: there were earlier issues with mxr today -- I don't know if they were resolved
# [07:53] <bz> glandium: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/addon-sdk/source/test/addons/ has the same issue
# [07:54] <bz> glandium: fwiw
# [07:54] <bz> glandium: tries to load the addons mxr (!)
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# [07:54] <glandium> bz: so, "addons"
# [07:54] <bz> yeah.....
# [07:54] <bz> yes
# [07:54] <bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/experiments/test/addons/ has the same issue
# [07:55] <bz> And http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/addons/
# [07:55] <bz> This is kinda broken
# [07:55] <hwine> bz: try pinging in #it -- something went wonky on the back end
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# [07:55] <glandium> bz: they all redirect to https://mxr.mozilla.org/addons/ before 401ing
# [07:55] <bz> yep
# [07:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/c7c8783b9815 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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# [08:18] <nigelb> Morning Tomcat|sheriffduty
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# [08:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi nigelb hi glandium
# [08:19] <nigelb> No Ms2ger?! *shock* *horror*
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# [08:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a35b6341335c - Karl Tomlinson - b=835044 handle popup windows with parents in GetWidgetOffset r=tn
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# [08:32] <tn> Cork: one can use DMD but that requires making your own build https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink/DMD
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# [08:32] <tn> Cork, alternatively you could determine what site or addons cause it and then someone else can do that
# [08:33] <Cork> tn: we have gotten to "not an addon"
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# [08:33] <Cork> but ya it takes a while to get a visible usage, and he needs to work so it goes a bit slow
# [08:34] <Cork> but i could build him a special ff build to try
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# [08:34] <Cork> that could work
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# [08:35] <Cork> tn: is MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_UPLOAD_FULL_SYMBOLS=1 something one could use with normal builds to get crash reporting to work?
# [08:35] <nigelb> Oh hai Ms2ger
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# [08:35] <Ms2ger> Heya
# [08:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning Ms2ger
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# [08:36] <Ms2ger> Morning
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# [08:36] <tn> Cork: i'm not sure
# [08:36] <Cork> tn: ok, thx for the link
# [08:36] <Cork> i will lab with it tonight
# [08:37] <tn> Cork, i'm also not sure if DMD builds are portable beyond the machine that made them, or how fast they are
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# [08:37] <Cork> tn: both machines are archlinux
# [08:37] <Cork> so it SHOULD be portable enough i hope
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# [08:41] <tn> Cork: if you need help you can try #memshrink it's a a lot quieter
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# [08:42] <Cork> tn: thx will do when i've digged deeper into DMD
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# [09:46] <dmajor> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ping
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# [09:51] <dmajor> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I have a bug marked a+ for beta but I'd like to wait for QA before uplift
# [09:51] <dmajor> Tomcat|sheriffduty: is there a way to exclude it from automatic uplift?
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# [09:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm edmorley ^ do you know if there is a way to exclude a bug from uplift
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# [09:54] <edmorley> I think there's a no nouplift keyword
# [09:54] <edmorley> Or something
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# [09:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describekeywords.cgi has none
# [09:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Sylvestre: good morning
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# [09:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Sylvestre: how do you guys handle such no-uplift requests, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describekeywords.cgi has no no-uplift keyword
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# [09:57] <Sylvestre> Tomcat|sheriffduty, we can always put the value back to "?"
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# [09:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah
# [09:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> dmajor: ^
# [09:59] <dmajor> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Sylvestre: thanks, I'll reset the flags
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# [11:45] <paul> glandium: ping?
# [11:45] <paul> glandium: export PATH="`brew --prefix ccache`/libexec:$PATH"
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# [12:27] <richardus> google stalking tells me that he left to work on slashdot's code in the mid to late 2000s but he has hardly any commits there. and nothing after that
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# [13:43] <@ted> has anyone tried running firefox under valgrind on ubuntu 14.04?
# [13:43] <@ted> i get a zillion errors from cairo and glib and other things and valgrind gives up on it
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# [13:45] <Gijs> A little bird told me I can iterate over a weakmap in chrome JS... but not how to, and MDN just says it's not possible - does anyone know where I'd look to see how to iterate over it? :)
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# [13:46] <@ted> oh, maybe because my build has jemalloc?
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# [13:46] <padenot> ted: yes, you need to disable it
# [13:46] <@ted> yeah, that makes sense
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# [13:47] <padenot> have you set --enable-valgrind?
# [13:48] <padenot> not sure what it does, but it seems important
# [13:48] <@ted> i didn't
# [13:48] <@ted> i think that adds extra valgrind annotations, IIRC
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# [13:48] <padenot> actuall, we have a page with more explanations on mdn, I just followed it and it was working nicely
# [13:49] <@ted> okay, thanks
# [13:49] <@ted> rookie mistake :)
# [13:49] <padenot> hehe
# [13:50] <Alessar> Hello. Anybody knows how I can save nsIFrame object like via nsCOMPtr, but without it(because nsCOMPtr<nsIFrame> generate compilation error) ???
# [13:51] <Yoric> Alessar: can you pastebin your code somewhere?
# [13:51] <Yoric> And the compilation error.
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# [13:51] <Yoric> Alessar: Also, this looks like a good question for #introduction.
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# [13:52] <@ted> god, did someone seriously regress bug 23485?
# [13:52] <@ted> also, i bet we disabled the unit test for that behavior :-(
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# [13:54] <Alessar> Yoric: Code: nsCOMPtr<nsIFrame> grip(frame);
# [13:54] <Alessar> Error: error C2440: 'static_cast' : cannot convert from 'nsIFrame *' to 'nsISupports *'
# [13:54] <paul> glandium: (thanks)
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# [13:54] <Yoric> Alessar: Can you pastebin (using http://pastebin.mozilla.org) the code?
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# [13:56] <nical> glandium: hi, just read you blog post about in tree mozconfigs. You were referring to sourcing "sub-mozconfigs" are more genrally saying that we shouldn't use mozconfigs for most things?
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# [14:00] <Alessar> Yoric: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5155619
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# [14:04] <Yoric> Alessar: Intuitively, `nsCOMPtr<nsIFrame> grip = frame;`
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# [14:14] <Alessar> Yoric: I think it is not simple. And your variant have the same compilation error.
# [14:14] <Yoric> So you have a nsIFrame* that cannot be converted to nsIFrame*?
# [14:15] <Alessar> ...to 'nsISupports *'
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# [14:17] <Rik> paul: to track new landings, maybe watching relnote flags could be helpful? cc Sylvestre
# [14:18] <Sylvestre> Rik, usually, only the most important features are tagged relnotes-firefox?. Not sure it is what paul needs
# [14:19] <Rik> Sylvestre: watching the nominations?
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# [14:20] <Sylvestre> Rik, well, it is rare that we refuse nominations ... we don't get many (enough)
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# [14:23] <Alessar> Yoric: Have you any other ideas?
# [14:23] <Yoric> Not right now.
# [14:24] <Yoric> Note: next time, please give the name of the file you're modifying. This will save me from 2 minutes searching through our code source for the definition of `frame`.
# [14:24] <Rik> Sylvestre: if release management wants more nominations and @FirefoxNightly needs help to track new cool stuff, maybe we can kill two birds with one stone?
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# [14:26] <paul> I like that.
# [14:27] <paul> Sylvestre: if only we were working in the same office :)
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# [14:28] <Sylvestre> paul, yeh ;)
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# [14:28] <Sylvestre> we have to advertize more this flag then
# [14:32] <Gijs> Is there any reason not to kill browser.frames.enabled ? :)
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# [14:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83fd85b082d1 - Markus Stange - Bug 1009679 - Layerize the scrollbar thumb on desktop, too. r=roc
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# [16:06] <imphil> hi. what's the right place to file pdf.js bugs? github or bugzilla?
# [16:07] <glob> imphil, github
# [16:07] <imphil> glob, thx
# [16:08] <yury> imphil: if you have bugzilla accoutn, report it there
# [16:08] <glob> yury, pretty sure pdf.js isn't tracked in bugzilla
# [16:08] <yury> esp. if it's related to firefox
# [16:08] <yury> Firefox -> PDF Viewer
# [16:09] <imphil> yeah, that's why I'm asking. both look kind of active
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# [16:09] <yury> imphil: github is more generic stuff e.g. support for other browsers, web viewer
# [16:10] <imphil> well, it's a rendering bug, so I guess github is a good place for it
# [16:11] <yury> imphil: bugzilla is more convinient for e.g. printing and crashes
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# [16:11] <yury> ok
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# [16:12] <imphil> yury, two bug trackers for the same product looks not like the best idea ever :)
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# [16:13] <yury> imphil: sure, what are you proposing though? don't support other browsers or integration with firefox :)
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# [16:15] <glob> yury, use a single bug tracker?
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# [16:15] <glob> yury, just because something's tracked on bugzilla doesn't mean it's for firefox
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# [16:15] <glob> (eg. nss)
# [16:16] <imphil> yury, I'm not going to get into a fight about bug trackers :) but the way NSS and Bugzilla (the sw itself) are doing it makes it certainly easier
# [16:17] <yury> I personally for dropping github issue, but this will make integration with git painful
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# [16:18] <yury> and pdf.js might lose the contributors because of this
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# [16:20] <imphil> yury, could you maybe add a note about which bug tracker to use to the FAQ here: https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/wiki/Frequently-Asked-Questions ?
# [16:21] <yury> imphil: pdf.js team does not care
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# [16:23] <yury> imphil: use any just provide enough details :) including link to the PDF, version of the browser, etc
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# [16:25] <imphil> yury, sure. It's not me with the problem, I'm just helping someone from the enterprise mailing list to get his problem reported.
# [16:26] <yury> k
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# [17:46] <froydnj> botond|laptop: can you sketch out a brief case for why ToString belongs in MFBT rather than a gfx/ header?
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# [17:47] <botond|laptop> froydnj: but we don't want classes to have to provide two different things
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# [17:48] <botond|laptop> froydnj: ToString is that utility, and i think it has generla usefulness. there is nothing gfx-specific about it
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# [18:09] <Waldo> bjacob, froydnj, NeilAway: returning nsRefPtr&& is wrong, you want to return nsRefPtr itself -- but with |return mozilla::Move(refptr);| inside the impl to invoke the |nsRefPtr(nsRefPtr&&)| move ctor; bug 953296 attachment 8355575 demonstrate the approach
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# [18:09] <Waldo> ...and now I scroll further and find jcranmer|away correcting peoples
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# [18:10] <froydnj> Waldo: and not at the callsite? the compiler automagically infers use of the move constructor there, then?
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# [18:11] <bjacob> Waldo: in my defense, i have not yet read the introductory document on rvalue references that froydnj linked to
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# [18:12] <Waldo> bjacob: I read that series once and understood it about 10%, then several months later a bunch more and understood more, and at this point I probably understand 80% or something of it and have spent multiple days' time digesting it
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# [18:13] <Waldo> froydnj: at the call site, the expression (from that attachment) |ForgetSourceHook(rt)| is an unnamed temporary, ergo triggers rvalue reference handling
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# [18:13] <Waldo> https://bug953296.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8355575
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# [18:32] <NeilAway> Waldo: so how would you write nsRefPtr::forget() ?
# [18:32] <Waldo> NeilAway: you wouldn't use forget(), you'd return Move(refptr)
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# [18:33] <Waldo> and have forget() return nsRefPtr&&
# [18:33] <Waldo> (for the "technically" bit)
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# [18:36] <NeilAway> Waldo: the potential footgon is that if you change already_AddRefed<T> TFactory(); to nsRefPtr<T> TFactory(); then you can now write T *t = TFactory(); and immediately dangle your reference
# [18:37] <Waldo> mm
# [18:37] <Waldo> yeah, really once you have a smart pointer, you don't ever want to access a non-smart version of it
# [18:37] <Waldo> at worst you want to expose an exempt_ptr from it http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2013/n3514.pdf
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# [19:26] <froydnj> welp, there's the first "firefox, you support drm" tweet
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# [19:27] <qDot> The journey of a thousand rages begins with a single tweet.
# [19:27] <gaston> the media something extension ?
# [19:27] <qDot> EME
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# [19:28] <froydnj> the blog post that launched a thousand ragequits
# [19:28] <gaston> ah not the thing i was thinking about
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# [19:28] <hub> "I'm switching to Chrome"
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# [19:28] <padenot> gaston: media source extension, which is brilliant
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# [19:29] <gaston> ah yes, that's what i was thinking about - didnt understood yet what it was about :)
# [19:29] <froydnj> hub: "I prefer to blow my whole leg off, rather than just my foot"
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# [19:29] <gaston> ok, dynamic strings generated by js, i see
# [19:29] <gaston> neato
# [19:30] <padenot> gaston: basically, you get compressed media buffers in some way, and they you append it to a MediaSource, and the you give this MediaSource to a <video>, and then you have a video playing
# [19:30] <gaston> err streams
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# [19:30] <padenot> it solves a bunch of stuff
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# [19:32] <nemo> soooo. reading http://andreasgal.com/2014/05/14/eme/ w/ many ☹ ☹
# [19:32] <nemo> although I do understand ☹
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# [19:32] <nemo> I wonder tho. Is this going to be cross-platform?
# [19:32] <Gijs> nemo: yes.
# [19:33] <nemo> well cool
# [19:33] <nemo> that's nice at least
# [19:33] <Gijs> bz: thanks for the explanations on the bug and here, and sorry for the extra work :(
# [19:33] <nemo> netflix has always screwed linux up until now
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# [19:33] <@ted> froydnj: betting pool on time till "i'm switching to chrome"?
# [19:33] <nemo> Gijs: seems this is fairly circumventable, but then, many forms of DRM are right now. I guess it is just trying to hit that 99% or whatever coverage
# [19:33] <@ted> oh hub already made that joke
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# [19:34] <nemo> Gijs: make it juuuuust annoying enough so that people won't bother
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# [19:34] <nemo> Gijs: as for the watermarking. I bet a bunch of this content will do that anyway. belt + uspsenders
# [19:34] <nemo> suspenders
# [19:34] <@ted> nemo: the technical discussion doesn't actually get you anywhere with the content producers
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# [19:34] <froydnj> matt blaze's tweet: 34 retweets; I bet you don't even get a response :/
# [19:35] <froydnj> ted: ^
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# [19:36] <@ted> yep
# [19:36] <@ted> really easy to rage about it
# [19:36] <@ted> a lot harder to do something that works
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# [19:38] <@ted> rstrong: ping?
# [19:38] <nemo> Gijs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7744869 hm. well if you guys do support linux/freebsd etc natively, might want to mention that
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# [19:38] <rstrong> ted: hi
# [19:38] <nemo> Gijs: 'cause that does make me feel better about this whole nasty situation
# [19:38] <@ted> rstrong: is someone on your team working on win64 support?
# [19:38] <nemo> that and the sandboxing
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# [19:38] <nemo> running a blackbox on my system that can poke around at will, that's not cool
# [19:39] <rstrong> ted: no, they have been moved to other projects
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# [19:39] <padenot> nemo: it cannot
# [19:39] <bz> Gijs: it wasn't much extra work
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# [19:39] <bz> Gijs: and I was going to double-check that bug anyway, even without your comment, fwiw
# [19:39] <@ted> rstrong: okay, is anyone working on it at all?
# [19:39] <nemo> padenot: oh. so Gijs had a different definition of cross-platform than I :-p
# [19:39] <bz> Gijs: It sucks that it's so easy to write these pathological regexps. :(
# [19:39] <Gijs> nemo: the sandboxing is in the article
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# [19:39] <nemo> padenot: welp. back to hating it again
# [19:39] <nemo> Gijs: I know...
# [19:40] <nemo> I was commenting on that in particular
# [19:40] <@ted> rstrong: this is re: bug 669384, FWIW
# [19:40] <nemo> padenot: so. one more thing to permanently shut linux out from the web. at least before there was still stuff using flash
# [19:40] <Callek> hsivonen: sooo EME, I missed the town hall, given the closed source bits any idea on the possibility for community-projects (e.g. SeaMonkey, IceWeasel, etc) to ship with EME enabled?
# [19:40] <@ted> i don't have a particular vested interest, just wondering if we have anyone driving that
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# [19:40] <bz> nemo: hmm?
# [19:40] <Callek> hsivonen: both in implementation-support and legalese?
# [19:40] <Gijs> nemo: we don't write the CDM, and AIU from andreas gal's remarks, I understood that there is a linux implementation.
# [19:41] <rstrong> ted: not sure though to be clear I do have work being done to make the maintenance service support win 64. Last I checked we were very green on physical hardware and the hold up was they also wanted to do this on aws instead of physical hardware and that is very much so not green
# [19:41] <nemo> bz: ted and Gijs are giving me conflicting statements on the cross-platformness of the evil
# [19:41] <hsivonen> Callek: there are three parts: 1) browser, 2) CDM host executable, 3) CDM DLL
# [19:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Callek: my understanding is that it's tied to the sandbox, so yes
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# [19:41] <bz> nemo: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/05/14/drm-and-the-challenge-of-serving-users/
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# [19:41] <bz> nemo: "Which versions of Firefox will it be deployed in?
# [19:41] <bz> We plan on deploying it in the Firefox desktop browser for Windows, Mac and Linux operating systems."
# [19:41] <@ted> rstrong: okay, thanks
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# [19:41] <nemo> bz: ah. that's better. thanks
# [19:41] <nemo> bz: the blog post did not mention that
# [19:41] <bz> nemo: yeah
# [19:41] <Gijs> nemo: I would expect that what padenot is talking about to mean that the CDM itself (from adobe) won't be open source
# [19:41] <bz> nemo: I mean, we're _trying_ here...
# [19:41] <hsivonen> Callek: you should be able to use #3 in the context of your own version of #1 if you ship Mozilla's copy of #2 (or a bit-identical deterministic build)
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# [19:42] <Gijs> ie #3 in what hsivonen is saying
# [19:42] <Callek> hsivonen: sooo, my interest is in shipping, out of the box, without a hard dep on unpackaging/repackaging #2 can match gecko features of Firefox....
# [19:42] <bz> nemo: The story on our non-tier-1 platforms is harder. :(
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# [19:42] <bz> nemo: e.g. ten4fox users are mildly screwed
# [19:43] <nemo> Gijs: erm is still native code, even if it isn't open source. up until now, running this crap (like netflix) in linux has required wine's wrapper layer, or a VM
# [19:43] <bz> nemo: Or so I suspect
# [19:43] <gaston> and bsd users dont want drms no thanks :)
# [19:43] <Callek> hsivonen: sooo if we ship a #1 piece (like Firefox), and possibly need to ship a #2 piece (if Firefox does so) is #2 piece something we might be including in-tree so that non-MoCo projects can also use it
# [19:43] <Callek> hsivonen: sounds like #3 would be something completely external
# [19:43] <nemo> bz: hm. so my freebsd using friends are screeeewed?
# [19:43] <rstrong> ted: if I had people I would like to get win 64 in a state so it can be official... no people atm though
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# [19:43] <froydnj> hm, should have explicitly asked about android in the townhall, then :(
# [19:43] <bz> nemo: I thought freebsd could run Linux binaries?
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# [19:44] <hsivonen> Callek: non-Firefox needs to either treat #2 as if it was external (from Mozilal) or do the work to get deterministic builds for #2 working so that they can build an exe that's bit-identical with Mozilla's CDM host
# [19:44] <@ted> rstrong: okay, i hear you
# [19:44] <bz> nemo: But possibly, yes
# [19:44] <@ted> rstrong: not a big deal, just wanted to know if there was someone i should poke about that, but sounds like there isn't
# [19:44] <bz> nemo: if the syscall ABI is compatible with Linux it's possible the Linux blob would just work
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# [19:44] <bz> nemo: (and if the libc is compatible, etc)
# [19:44] <gaston> yuck
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# [19:44] <bz> nemo: Also...
# [19:45] <Callek> hsivonen: my ideal here is that I can clone mozilla-central and clone comm-central and build a version of SeaMonkey, with no dependancy on ftp.m.o/a-download-of-firefox and get a build with EME
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# [19:45] <bz> nemo: the binary blob only talks to the world via the sandbox
# [19:45] <bz> nemo: the sandbox is open-source
# [19:45] <nemo> bz: yeah. I read that
# [19:45] <bz> nemo: so can be compiled on bsd
# [19:45] <Callek> hsivonen: having to write custom code, that is vastly different than Firefox release process,in order to ship this feature with SeaMonkey is going to be increadibly restrictive
# [19:45] <Gijs> hsivonen: so I intended to ask this question in the town hall and didn't manage... how does #3 verify #2, and what prevents "someone" from writing a compatible-but-violating #2 ?
# [19:45] <Callek> hsivonen: I'd also note that if the source code is compiled each build, and is not part of m-c, we can't even use this on try
# [19:45] <bz> nemo: so it's possible that it Just Works, modulo whatever mechanism the binary blob has for checking whether it trusts the sandbox
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# [19:46] <nemo> bz: on that front, on say my gentoo linux box, where I build my browser (well, currently seamonkey, but what if it was firefox/iceweasel). the sandbox and browser can be built, but, yeah, the blob thing. presumably uses a signed binary mechanism?
# [19:46] <nemo> bz: that is. unless mozilla is building it, it might reject the browser
# [19:46] <nemo> building + signing
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# [19:46] <hsivonen> Gijs: #3 inspects the memory space of the process it is in, which contains the code for #2
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# [19:46] <Gijs> hsivonen: wat. That is pretty scary.
# [19:47] <hsivonen> nemo, bz: I don't know what's going to happen with BSD.
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# [19:47] <nemo> bz: as to how to prevent signature spoofing, is a network app. could do a signed challenge/response
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# [19:47] <hsivonen> Gijs: less scary that looking at the binary on disk!
# [19:47] <nemo> bz: isn't like you're going to be watching this content offline...
# [19:47] <jcranmer> the irony of course is that binary executables are the lousiest form of obfuscation I can think of
# [19:47] <Gijs> hsivonen: maybe, but that doesn't sound like it's sandboxed
# [19:47] <hsivonen> nemo, bz: I have reasons to guess BSD might not be allowed to run the Linux binary, but I think I shouldn't say why I'm guessing so. :-(
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# [19:48] <hsivonen> Gijs: surely it's OK for the dropped-privilege process to read its own memory space
# [19:48] <jcranmer> we're probably within 5 years of having usable x86 binary-to-C-source decompilers
# [19:48] <bz> nemo: the CDM can't talk to the network
# [19:48] <gaston> hsivonen: trust me, BSD doesnt want to run that binary blob anyway :)
# [19:48] <bz> nemo: Because we don't want it phoning home, etc
# [19:48] <nemo> bz: but it can relay requests to firefox to do that
# [19:48] <nemo> ah...
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# [19:48] <nemo> hm
# [19:49] <nemo> interesting.
# [19:49] <Gijs> hsivonen: oh, I need to read better. Hrm. Is the way it validates that memory space specced? :)
# [19:49] <nemo> bz: ok. so this does seem like a figleaf of security. that kinda thing that android and chromebooks and youtube rely on
# [19:49] <hub> ted: of course I made the joke.
# [19:49] <WeirdAl> Hey, guys - is there a way for JS code to get the process id of the currently running XR app?
# [19:49] <@ted> hub: :)
# [19:49] <nemo> bz: enough coverage to handle all but the moderately determined
# [19:49] <hsivonen> Gijs: no spec to announce at this point
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# [19:49] <nemo> and by security I mean. DRM lockdown
# [19:49] <bz> nemo: anyway, hsivonen knows way more about this than I do. ;)
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# [19:49] <jcranmer> so binary code is about as effective an obfuscation technique as replacing all the symbols in a source program with random identifiers
# [19:50] <Gijs> WeirdAl: property on nsIXULRuntime
# [19:50] <Gijs> WeirdAl: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=processid&find=.idl&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
# [19:50] <Gijs> ;)
# [19:50] <jcranmer> of course, the demands for DRM are being made by idiots who don't know how ineffective their techniques actually are
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# [19:51] <KaiRo> hsivonen: I hope we'll have some way to run a test that anyone can execute to see if the compiled sandbox is something a CDM will accept (we'll need that for things like distro-rebuilds but also should have it in our normal automated test suites so we spot issues right away)
# [19:51] <bholley> Gijs: ping
# [19:51] <Gijs> bholley: pong
# [19:51] <WeirdAl> Gijs - that's... very, very new
# [19:51] <hsivonen> jcranmer: modern DRM doesn't rely on stripping symbols. there's more obscure obscurity at work
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# [19:52] <jcranmer> hsivonen: in my experience, stripping symbols is basically the largest and most useful step
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# [19:52] <hsivonen> jcranmer: there are vendors who have more obscure obscurity for sale
# [19:53] <jcranmer> look at video games and ask how effective their DRM was in preventing illegal redistribution :-)
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# [19:54] <jcranmer> maybe I ought to grab a CDM and see how effectively they obscure the code
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# [19:55] <KaiRo> jcranmer: if you watched the townhall, you'd know it's better not to talk about their techniques in the open, or they'll realize how technically feasible those are ;-)
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# [19:55] <Callek> hsivonen: sooo ideal to me is that if there is a binary pre-compiled (e.g. tooltool, or some other manifest entry in-tree) that our code pulls down in order to build EME properly
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# [19:55] <hub> time to mark bug 923590 as WONTFIX
# [19:56] <Callek> hsivonen: and by our-code I even mean Firefox Desktop, so that other non-MoCo groups/projects can use the same code without needing to reinvent the wheel and without needing to have access to the closed-source bits
# [19:56] <Callek> hsivonen: would satisfy try and community endeavors
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# [19:56] <jcranmer> e.g. building copies of Firefox locally?
# [19:57] <@ted> it's not implausible that we could have a prebuilt eme-container that we used for firefox builds
# [19:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KaiRo: just turn away from the mic while you talk ;)
# [19:58] <KaiRo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: sorry, this conversation is not available in your region :p
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# [19:58] <hub> KaiRo: are you canadian? it is an old canadian proverb
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# [19:58] <hsivonen> Callek: yeah, we'll need to make a Mozilla-compiled CDM host executable available in a way that's easy for downsteam builds to deal with
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# [20:00] <KaiRo> hub: no, European with a strange love for some US stuff (like Country Music or Football)
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# [20:00] <Callek> hsivonen: explicitly I'm asking for "available in the same way that Firefox builds use it" -- so that if Firefox build process changes other downstream consumers change too
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# [20:01] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: we don't run m-e10s on beta, right?
# [20:01] <Callek> hsivonen: or at least as reasonably accurate as possible (e.g. if downstream seamonkey needs to change tooltool manifest, fine)
# [20:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: trunk only
# [20:01] <@smaug> or are those tests just hidden?
# [20:01] <Callek> hsivonen: rather than "import source code, add to upload artifacts"
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# [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: oh sorry, they run hidden on aurora (speaking of useless things we should be shutting off)
# [20:02] <hsivonen> Callek: now that we can actually talk about this more, we need to figure out the specifics of the build system
# [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: but defnitely not on beta
# [20:02] <hub> KaiRo: in Canada we get it A LOT.
# [20:02] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, thanks
# [20:02] <bbouvier> am i the only one getting a connection error on https://pto.mozilla.org? (the redirection from http to https seems to work though)
# [20:02] <KaiRo> hub: we get it quite a bit over here as well
# [20:02] <hsivonen> Callek: from my POV, it seems quite possible to have the CDM build system be separate and Mozilla's Firefox build treating the CDM host as an external thing, too
# [20:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2d759db4dcc - Olli Pettay - Bug 1009624 - startup crash in nsXULPrototypeDocument::GetCompilationGlobal() , r=bholley
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# [20:03] <Callek> hsivonen: sooo my ideal would be a "private repo for the source code" --> "build the artifacts, possibly via releng automation that polls said private place, uploads the artifacts somewhere" --> "in-m-c code has a manifest pointing to said artifacts, e.g. tooltool, that the m-c build system uses to combine the artifacts with the Firefox distribution"
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# [20:04] <Callek> hsivonen: or something that looks roughly like that
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# [20:04] <hsivonen> Callek: the plan is for the source of the CDM host to be disclosed like other Mozilla-developed code
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# [20:04] <@ted> bbouvier: presumably because the final url is intranet.mozilla.org/pto ?
# [20:05] <Callek> hsivonen: my "private, source code" was re: your #2
# [20:05] <Callek> hsivonen: your #1 sounds like it will be open source
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# [20:05] <hsivonen> Callek: #2 will be too, but if you exercise your freedom to modify it, #3 will refuse to work
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# [20:06] <Callek> hsivonen: ahh if #2 is open source, but not modifyable open source, then I suspect downstream will be ok-to-use
# [20:06] <bbouvier> ted: thanks! the redirection (from http://) sends me to https://pto.mozilla.org though, this might be an error
# [20:06] <Callek> hsivonen: and it can be imported in other-licenses
# [20:06] <nemo> could anyone tell me where the sandbox resides under M-C ?
# [20:06] <nemo> or is this not in M-C yet?
# [20:06] <hsivonen> nemo: not in m-c at this time
# [20:06] <nemo> ah..
# [20:06] <Callek> hsivonen: that is if we don't need "signed by MoCo's cert"
# [20:06] <nemo> hsivonen: is it public at all yet?
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# [20:06] <@ted> bbouvier: weird, yeah
# [20:07] <hsivonen> nemo: being written, not public yet
# [20:07] <hsivonen> nemo: however, no there's no longer a reason to hide the WIP
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# [20:08] <nemo> hsivonen: aight. no worries I can wait
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# [20:16] <botond> froydnj: i made the small changes you requested to the mfbt patch for bug 961289. do you want to have a look at the updated patch, or should i go ahead and land it?
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# [20:18] <Callek> hsivonen: soooo long story short are we planning that try builds and local-dev builds of unmodified Firefox can / will use this out of the box?
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# [20:18] <froydnj> botond: go ahead and land
# [20:18] <Callek> hsivonen: (I call out try since if we're doing any can't-be-public source compilation things, we can't do it on try -- its part of why a lot of b2g things are not on try)
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# [20:24] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: I've heard of pretty elaberate obfiscation for use in exploits
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# [20:26] <hsivonen> Callek: we aren't planning on compiling any can't-be-public code
# [20:26] <hsivonen> Callek: that's Adobe's piece
# [20:26] <Callek> hsivonen: any clue if the CDM's "verification or our unmodifiable code" is going to be checking against a signing cert?
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# [20:27] <Callek> hsivonen: if so, that means (imo) that we need that code signed with the MoCo cert, and anyone who wants to use it needs to download the signed binary, and use that, rather than use/sign their own copy
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# [20:27] <nemo> hm. well. given what the mozilla post said, I do wish someone would post a correction to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7744887 to note that you guys are going to support linux/OSX/Windows
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# [20:27] <Callek> (and that, for example, the try and nightly signing might not work :-) )
# [20:27] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: well, most of that obfuscation can still be done on source code itself
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# [20:29] <hsivonen> Callek: gonna be checking against a signed descriptor about what the CDM is supposed to look like when observed from within
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# [20:29] <hsivonen> s/CDM/CDM host/
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# [20:30] <Callek> hsivonen: signed, ... by a certificate authoritity ... using a specific cert /authority check?
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# [20:30] <Callek> hsivonen: if so that does mean that, for example, SeaMonkey can't compile our own code for that piece, nor can IceWeasel
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# [20:30] <jld> This... hopefully will just be blobs, and not nonredistributable blobs like some B2G stuff has?
# [20:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/ccabfe66be68 - Michael Comella - Bug 997487 - Add awesomescreen session and cancel button UITelemetry. r=liuche f=mfinkle
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# [20:33] <hsivonen> Callek: signed by Mozilla
# [20:33] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: sure, but what good is obfiscated source to anyone?
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# [20:33] <jcranmer> you can build it on a wider range of platforms
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# [20:33] <hsivonen> Callek: if you do the work to get deterministic builds for the CDM host, then Mozilla's signature will be valid against your build
# [20:33] <hsivonen> if not, then not
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# [20:34] <Callek> hsivonen: in that case, I revert to my "please please please have the code be compiled seperately from Firefox/Mozilla-Central and downloaded on the fly, e.g. via tooltool"
# [20:34] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: true
# [20:34] <hsivonen> tbsaunde: there's no intention to obfuscate the source of the CDM host
# [20:34] <hsivonen> tbsaunde: the obscure part is the CDM. for that, you won't get any source--obfuscated or not
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# [20:34] <Callek> hsivonen: that is "on the fly" for everything (including Firefox)
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# [20:35] <jcranmer> hsivonen: my point is that the lack of a source for the CDM is a red herring
# [20:35] <jcranmer> hsivonen: since it's rather trivial to get a source for such a thing
# [20:35] <tbsaunde> hsivonen: I was responding to jcranmer's comment about there being a obfiscated source for any obfiscated binary
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# [20:36] <tbsaunde> hsivonen: is how the CDM gets what to check the sand box against defined somewhere?
# [20:37] <hsivonen> tbsaunde: the signed thingy will have to end up in the memory space of the process
# [20:37] <hsivonen> tbsaunde: e.g. it can be read before the CDM host drops privileges
# [20:37] <hsivonen> implementation detail
# [20:38] <tbsaunde> hsivonen: ah, so Mozilla ships a signature of the host
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# [20:43] <hsivonen> jcranmer: how do you expect to get the source of the CDM trivially?
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# [20:45] <jcranmer> hsivonen: there are at least 4 projects right now that support x86 to LLVM IR decompilation
# [20:45] <hsivonen> jcranmer: Microsoft's Robustness Rules are public. I suggest reading them thinking carefully about the wordings and how the distinctions could be mapped onto obfuscation tech
# [20:45] <jcranmer> going from LLVM IR to C is extremely trivial for me by hand
# [20:45] <hsivonen> jcranmer: isn't that closer to disassembly than decompilation?
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# [20:52] <hsivonen> jcranmer: FWIW, a Hollywood collective (UltraViolet) has a wiki for would-be player makers that refers would-be player makers to Arxan. See around http://www.arxan.com/solutions/content-protection/ to get a flavor of what's advertised.
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# [21:17] <tbsaunde> froydnj: have you seen http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/metaprogramming-for-madmen/http://www.arxan.com/solutions/content-protection/ ? I hope you don't go that crazy on firefox ;)
# [21:17] <tbsaunde> wat, how did the second link stay in my copy buffer
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# [21:20] <cpearce> nemo: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/sandbox/
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# [21:21] <froydnj> tbsaunde: that's pretty good
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# [21:23] <nemo> cpearce: neat. thanks
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# [21:23] <nemo> so it *was* in M-C
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# [21:25] <@ted> nemo: the sandbox code isn't just intended for eme
# [21:25] <@ted> nemo: i think hsivonen means there's an actual implementation of the eme-container thing that uses the sandbox code that's not currently in m-c
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# [21:26] <nemo> ah
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# [21:27] <cpearce> we imported the sandbox code from the chromium project. it's the same sandbox that chrome uses.
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# [21:28] <cpearce> I have an rough implementation of EME, but I'm not running the CDM out of process and sandboxed yet. and none of that has landed in m-c yet
# [21:28] <froydnj> man, my kingdom for keyboard shortcuts in splinter
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# [21:29] <tbsaunde> froydnj: what I would give to be able to do reviews with just email
# [21:29] <jld> So... we don't know how sandboxable the CDM is, yet?
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# [21:30] <cpearce> no network, no file IO.
# [21:31] <jld> If I sound pessimistic, it's because I've been dealing with stuff like graphics drivers trying to be a TCP network service on B2G.
# [21:31] <cpearce> FWIW, we're targetting desktop first.
# [21:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/463401983c4c - J. Ryan Stinnett - Bug 797639 - Part 0: Clean up transport style. r=jimb
# [21:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/e97f6c0bbdd6 - J. Ryan Stinnett - Bug 797639 - Part 1: Bulk data support in the transport layer. r=jimb
# [21:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/1f71b3099720 - J. Ryan Stinnett - Bug 797639 - Part 4: Fix Network Monitor test leaks. r=vporof
# [21:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f20466641641 - J. Ryan Stinnett - Bug 797639 - Part -1: Change forwarding prefix to slash. r=jimb
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# [21:33] <nemo> cpearce: so. WRT netflix and DRM under linux, pipelight was the usual solution. Yes, is still plugin, and required wine, but fairly seamless. So for such a user, this is pretty much meh. Wondering tho. When you say linux, is that currently exclusively x86 linux?
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# [21:33] <nemo> cpearce: 'cause would be pretty awesome if we got ARM too
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# [21:34] <cpearce> nemo: we'll target our tier-1 desktop platforms first. so that's x86 linux. I'm not sure about ARM, I don't think it's a tier1 platform.
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# [21:35] <nemo> cpearce: mm. firefoxos isn't tier 1? :)
# [21:35] <cpearce> we're targetting tier-1 desktop platforms. firefox os isn't a desktop platform
# [21:35] <cpearce> not yet anyway
# [21:35] <jimm> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/14/firefox-closed-source-drm-video-browser-cory-doctorow
# [21:36] <hub> still can't build because of bug 1008648
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# [21:36] <tbsaunde> nemo: consider alternatives to Netflix? ;-)
# [21:37] <hub> "Netflix" sounds like we address first world problem
# [21:37] <hub> even when major EU countries don't even have said service
# [21:37] <nemo> tbsaunde: personally. I'm still on netflix DVD due to my linux fanboism and intense hatred of DRM
# [21:38] <jcranmer> and I still use my local public library
# [21:38] <nemo> tbsaunde: aaaand I generally am not a fan of streaming. even small amounts of lag really piss me
# [21:38] <nemo> of
# [21:38] <nemo> jcranmer: heh. well. so do I, but, I don't see that is being a huge step forward over netflix
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# [21:38] <mayhemer> just had adobe reader sub process of desktop firefox active despite all plugins disabled... virus?
# [21:38] <jcranmer> best part too is that it keeps me from being a couch potato, since I have to get on my bike and go there
# [21:39] <jcranmer> or at least walk to the bus stop and back
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# [21:39] <nemo> jcranmer: love biking to library with kid
# [21:39] <nemo> jcranmer: she enjoys it too
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# [21:39] <jcranmer> well, I suppose I could drive, but the library parking isn't free
# [21:39] <tbsaunde> nemo: Netflix DVD is kind of ok I guess
# [21:40] <nemo> jcranmer: although I haven't gone in months due to being too busy w/ new kid, and also kinda pissed off at the $10 fine they hit me with for being a week late on a DVD. A DVD that I'd swear I'd checked their website the week before and hadn't been on the return list
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# [21:40] <jcranmer> nemo: I go on average once a month, but I mostly end up getting books instead
# [21:40] <nemo> jcranmer: ah. ours is free at least. for efficiency they combined the high school and library parking lots
# [21:40] <jcranmer> the local library here is smack dab in the center of the town
# [21:41] <jcranmer> (it's a small town--the central business district is about four city blocks or so)
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# [21:42] <nemo> jcranmer: mm. 'bout the same.
# [21:43] <mayhemer> all ok.. overlook :)
# [21:43] <nemo> tbsaunde: I like it. still refuse the bluray due to the linux situation. at least you guys are supporting it in the new generation of evil
# [21:43] <jcranmer> on the other hand, between the university and twin cities, I do have access to something like 5 different libraries
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# [21:45] <tbsaunde> nemo: I haven't payed any attention to what's up with linux and blueray
# [21:45] <tbsaunde> the last time I used a disk for something must be when I was installing linux on a machine a while ago
# [21:45] <nemo> tbsaunde: linux was first to support, but that's as far as things have gone. no actual keys
# [21:45] <@ted> i put a bd-rom in my linux box and use MakeMKV to rip them to DRM-free video files
# [21:46] <nemo> tbsaunde: apart from leaked ones
# [21:46] <@ted> works pretty well
# [21:46] <nemo> jcranmer: http://m8y.org/images/temp.jpeg this is just before heading out to the library last year actually :)
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# [21:48] <tbsaunde> nemo: personally if what I need is leaked wfm
# [21:48] <nemo> tbsaunde: the problem is just how random that is. but is okish for older titles
# [21:48] <nemo> tbsaunde: I decided not even to bother. DVD quality is good enough.
# [21:49] <@ted> hah
# [21:49] <@ted> i can't deal with non-HD content now :-(
# [21:49] <@ted> also i have a 60" TV and non-HD looks terrible on it
# [21:49] <hub> I had SD cable service for over 3 years on a 1080i TV
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# [21:50] <jld> Huh. Apparently ChromeOS had EME support over a year ago.
# [21:50] <nemo> hub: heh. my cable service is still SD too, although fortunately comcast has not yet rolled out their "encrypt all the things" plan they won support from gov't for (they need gov't support since they were granted monopoly access all those years ago, I think)
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# [21:51] <nemo> hub: sooo, still plenty of 1080 channels available on cable until that happens. after that, well, there's always antenna
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# [21:51] <hub> jld: duh. chromecast too
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# [21:52] <jld> ChromeOS is interesting because they use seccomp-bpf and take sandboxing kind of seriously.
# [21:52] <jcranmer> my TV is my computer monitor
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# [21:53] <jcranmer> which should give you a sense of how large it is and why I don't care about HD video
# [21:53] <nemo> ted: also, most SD content is 480 on your TV. DVD at least is usually 576. Not quite as good as 720 HD but could be worse
# [21:53] <jld> And because Chrome on Android doesn't (yet -- they're apparently headed there).
# [21:53] <nemo> ted: and. there's a huge difference between 576 for, say, animated content vs 576 for a sports broadcast
# [21:54] <jld> ...doesn't use seccomp-bpf, I mean, not that they don't take security seriously.
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# [21:54] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Are you the right reviewer for everything Experiments.jsm?
# [21:54] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: or gfritzsche
# [21:54] <nemo> jcranmer: I chose my nick back when I had a 600 baud modem and it was painful to type long strings
# [21:54] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Who should review bug 1010289, then?
# [21:54] <nemo> so no :-p
# [21:55] <jcranmer> nemo: so, you picked you nick... last year then? :-P
# [21:55] <nemo> lol
# [21:56] <nemo> jcranmer: I had a buddy who used "DestroyerFromHell" on the "haxor" BBSes. He shortened it to DFH for that very reason.
# [21:56] <Bas> bsmedberg: ping
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# [22:01] <grobinson> Can anybody tell me where SendScriptError for a ContentChild is defined?
# [22:01] <grobinson> I only see a function call, no definition: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=SendScriptError
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# [22:02] <froydnj> grobinson: it's defined in $objdir/ipc/ipdl/PContentChild.cpp
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# [22:02] <@ted> nemo: i don't watch a lot of SD content
# [22:02] <@ted> probably the occasional kids' show that isn't broadcast in HD
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# [22:04] <grobinson> froydnj: thanks! why doesn't it show up on dxr/mxr?
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# [22:06] <grobinson> froydnj: will do
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# [22:09] <djvj> do I need a review to back out a patch pushed a couple weeks back? Trying to nail down a hard-to-reproduce perf regression.
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# [22:11] <fabrice> djvj: is that crossing branches?
# [22:11] <djvj> fabrice: how do you mean?
# [22:11] <djvj> fabrice: I landed it on inbound, I'm going to back it out on inbound
# [22:11] <fabrice> djvj: but that that was merged on m-c? and only in gecko32?
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# [22:12] <froydnj> djvj: maybe "has it been uplifted" is a better question
# [22:12] <djvj> ah
# [22:12] <djvj> it's in m-c, but not uplifted to aurora yet
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# [22:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f20eb9631869 - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 995730 - Fix style violations in xpcom/io/. r=froydnj
# [22:17] <nemo> hm. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7743374 yeah, this bugged me too. there's a bug on allowing users to put it back though, hopefully that gets accepted
# [22:17] <nemo> (star in url bar)
# [22:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e836b7e11013 - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 995730 - Fix style violations in xpcom/base/ (part 2). r=froydnj
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# [22:25] <nemo> bz: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase375.xhtml ?
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# [22:49] <nemo> WRT http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase375.xhtml - if anyone besides the guru I normally beg for help w/ has any idea, would be nice if you could weigh in
# [22:49] <nemo> IMO the firefox behaviour is buggy
# [22:50] <nemo> hm
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# [22:50] <nemo> but for all I know is just the spec messing w/ me
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# [22:51] <aceman> hi, anybody knows what nsCString.AppendInt(-1, 16) produces?
# [22:52] <froydnj> aceman: guessing ffffffff
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# [22:53] <KWierso> philor: oh. b2g desktop mochitest-1's been leaking since at least monday?
# [22:54] <aceman> it should take int32 so why would it do such a conversion (wraparound)
# [22:54] <KWierso> or is the debug edition new?
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# [22:58] <philor> KWierso: we turned them on, we hid some, we turned them off except on Cedar, we meant to turn on one green one but instead we turned them all back on, which scheduled them all on every rev between when they were turned off and when they were turned on again
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# [22:58] <KWierso> :|
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# [23:00] <KWierso> philor: so... hide debug b2g desktop linux mochitest-1?
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# [23:00] <philor> KWierso: you can hide everything except gaia-ui-tests, which is the one that's supposed to be back on, which is probably still hidden at least some places
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# [23:00] <philor> or look at Cedar and see what else is going to be partly or entirely busted, and only hide the busted parts, either way
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# [23:03] <philor> KWierso: or, per #releng, maybe just wait until they all get shut off again, and star the ones that annoy you as i
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# [23:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f5952a67494 - Honza Bambas - Bug 1006181 - HTTP cache v2 memory only storage area not freed on limit, fix purge condition, r=michal
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# [23:25] <dholbert> I noticed the other day that B2G Desktop "R" jobs are *just* reftest-sanity (not any other reftests). Does anyone know why this is?
# [23:25] <dholbert> (on TBPL)
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# [23:26] <dholbert> and why we still label them "R" (which implies "full reftest run" on all other platforms)
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# [23:27] <dholbert> (motiviation: a green "R" run on B2G Desktop may give someone the mistaken impression that their test passed, when really it was never run. This caused some confusion on a bug whose patch I reviewed)
# [23:27] <tn> dholbert: wierd, how does that work in the test suite? there are no annotations in the test manifests that i can see
# [23:27] <dholbert> tn, no idea
# [23:27] <philor> in buildbot, not in-tree
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# [23:28] <philor> same way that Ripc does it, passing it on the commandline, according to my vague memory
# [23:28] <dholbert> tn, looks like the command in the log is "b2g_desktop_unittest.py [...] --test-suite reftest --test-manifest tests/layout/reftests/reftest-sanity/reftest.list "
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# [23:28] <philor> but that's a dead suite, it'll be an oop R that runs more than just sanity
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# [23:29] <dholbert> philor, [ah, I didn't realize Ripc was reftest-sanity-only as well]
# [23:30] <dholbert> in any case, I'd be happier if this were labeled as Rsan or something like that, instead of "R", which everywhere else means "full reftest run"
# [23:30] <philor> yep, for pretty much the same reason, "this will at least show when we completely break rendering, and it's all I want to work on greening up right now"
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# [23:30] <dholbert> I'm going to file a releng bug on getting that testsuite renamed, unless that's already been decided against for some compelling reason
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# [23:30] <philor> we could rename it, other than it being a lame duck, and then we'd wind up not running it on try when people choose reftests, and break that way instead
# [23:31] <dholbert> philor, reftests can still include this new thing
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# [23:31] <dholbert> just as it includes R-1 etc.
# [23:31] <philor> yup. how much work do you personally want to do on it, because releng won't actually get around to doing it, for something which is being replaced?
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# [23:32] <dholbert> philor, hmm. do you know how soon it's being replaced?
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# [23:33] <philor> dholbert: no idea, I archive the bugmail about it unread, but there was a furious amount, then it tapered off a bit the last week or two
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# [23:34] <dholbert> philor, OK. thanks for the info. I'm going to file a bug at least, with the knowledge that maybe it will be wontfix'd if the suite is going away soon enough
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# [23:34] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007929 is in the process of moving the reftest sanity suite over to oop
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# [23:38] <dholbert> philor, thanks. Filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010554 , anyway
# [23:38] <nemo> hm. I now have 2 firefox inconsistencies with everyone-else
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# [23:41] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase376.html http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase375.xhtml - both collected off of freenode #css in less than an hour
# [23:41] <nemo> what are the odds
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# [23:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/537eb199f2b7 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 1008502 - Activate first operable descendant when landing on containers. r=MarcoZ
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# [23:55] <nemo> bz: since I see you are busy browsing /. - what do you think of those 2 above? you surely have time to opinionate on bug validity of 'em ☺
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# [23:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/c0d4a7bb2d41 - Mike Conley - Bug 993712 - Remove hand-rolled timeout handler from customizableui/test/head.js. r=test-only
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