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# [00:02] <doctor> everyone loves when firefox takes 66% CPU
# [00:02] <doctor> :)
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# [00:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37d09834dd1e - Jonathan Kew - bug 1014639 - part 1 - implement IrishCasing to encapsulate the special Irish uppercasing rules. r=smontagu
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edeea8eaa741 - Jonathan Kew - bug 1014639 - part 3 - reftest for Irish uppercasing rules. r=smontagu
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/09a014d5834e - Jonathan Kew - bug 1014639 - part 2 - use IrishCasing in nsCaseTransformTextRunFactory::TransformString to provide correct Irish uppercasing. r=smontagu
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/672cf66438e2 - Jonathan Kew - bug 1014639 - part 0 - (preliminary cleanup) split GreekCasing out into its own file to reduce clutter in nsUnicharUtils.cpp. r=smontagu
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# [09:09] <@smaug> whimboo: hey, has there been an update for the memchaser?
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# [09:10] <whimboo> smaug: no public release, sorry
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# [09:10] <whimboo> and haven't found the time to do the reviews for the australis changes
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# [09:11] <@smaug> just would like to see the right numbers for iCC
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# [09:12] <whimboo> smaug: just get the latest default
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# [09:12] <whimboo> smaug: or use a symlink to the memchaser checkout
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# [09:13] <@smaug> whimboo: that means what?
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# [11:12] <nthomas|away> Optimize1: where ? I see 34MB full installers on ftp.m.o
# [11:13] <Optimize1> the updater was installing 42 mb
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# [12:20] <Yoric> edmorley: ping
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# [12:21] <Yoric> edmorley: Do you have any non-hackish idea of how I can add the failure reason to the ABORT string in js? I believe that the only tool I have for failing is nsIDebug.abort(filename, linenumber), which doesn't really support adding details.
# [12:21] <edmorley> Yoric: hi :-)
# [12:22] <Yoric> edmorley: How are you? :)
# [12:22] <edmorley> Yoric: I'm not sure
# [12:22] <Yoric> I'd like to avoid over-complicating the code of AsyncShutdown, which is kind of critical, so if I could avoid creating a C++ component just for that module, I'd prefer.
# [12:23] <edmorley> Yoric: also it's occurred to me since writing that comment, that adding to the abort message wouldn't make the failures result in bug suggestions correctly, since the subprocess abort lines always end up with the process id in the string, so TBPL can't match against a bug (though at least something specific would end up in the summary)
# [12:24] <Yoric> Now, I guess I could try and hack my way through the stack and customize the filename/linenumber based on whoever added the async shutdown barrier.
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# [12:26] <edmorley> Yoric: the example I gave just used the name of the condition from the existing error message though?
# [12:27] <Yoric> You mean « TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | Experiments.jsm shutdown »?
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# [12:28] <edmorley> yeah
# [12:28] <Yoric> That would mean printing out TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL from some code that gets executed on actual machines?
# [12:29] <Yoric> s/actual machiees/production/
# [12:29] <Yoric> edmorley: ^
# [12:29] <Yoric> That's possible, but scary.
# [12:30] <edmorley> Yoric: yeah, perhaps best to handle in the test harness?
# [12:30] <Yoric> s/scary/awkward/
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# [12:30] <Ms2ger> You're printing stuff in production?
# [12:30] <Yoric> Ms2ger: Yeah, in case of a crash.
# [12:31] <edmorley> Yoric: or else if we clean up the "ERROR: " line, and then see if there are any false positives against the other tests/suites by adding /^ERROR: / to the TBPL (and treeherder) regexps
# [12:31] <edmorley> Yoric: which is generic enough that I wouldn't mind adding (yet another) regexp for :-)
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# [12:33] <edmorley> Yoric: and sorry missed the comment earlier - I'm fine thank you - and you? :-)
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# [12:34] <Yoric> So, what would you like on the ERROR line?
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# [12:35] <edmorley> Yoric: it's just unfortunate that for every new platform/test suite/module/whatever we add, the log output initially is often not compatible with downstream consumers. Obviously the best solution is to use structured logging across the board, but until that day comes... :-)
# [12:36] <Yoric> Yeah.
# [12:36] <Yoric> I will consider customizing the filename/linenumber, though.
# [12:37] <edmorley> Yoric: TBPL has a fallback, whereby if the (regexp matched) log line is not in the usual pipe delimited format, it will attempt a bugzilla search for that string, upto a max of 200 chars.
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# [12:38] <edmorley> Yoric: so "ERROR: Something specific to the failure in under 200 chars" wfm - though the shorter the better ideally, since it makes the log output less readable & the bug summaries less than ideal otherwise
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# [12:41] <Yoric> edmorley: So, essentially, let's replace "At least one completion condition failed to complete within a reasonable amount of time. Causing a crash to ensure that we do not leave the user with an unresponsive process draining resources. $.*$ with "AsyncShutdown timeout. \1 . At least one completion condition ..."
# [12:41] <Yoric> Would that be ok?
# [12:42] <edmorley> Yoric: yeah and then I'll see if I can make the regexp change without a whole load of false positives elsewhere in the logs (asking people to fix their stuff to not output things like "ERROR: " when the line is expected, is harder than you would think... given past experience - but worth a shot)
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# [12:46] <Yoric> edmorley: I can replace "ERROR" with "SHUTDOWN TIMEOUT", if you prefer.
# [12:46] <Yoric> Or "SHUTDOWN ERROR".
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# [12:47] <edmorley> Yoric: I'll have a see if there will be any false positives first - I'd like to keep the regexp as generic as possible, otherwise we'll have a never-ending list of module-specific things to keep up to date :-)
# [12:47] <Yoric> Ok.
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# [12:48] <Yoric> gps: Or should I ask rnewman?
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# [12:55] <Yoric> edmorley: Do you prefer ERROR or FATAL ERROR?
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# [12:56] <edmorley> Yoric: I don't believe we really have a convention for it in log output so far, so if there were no false positives, "ERROR: " might be more re-usable
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# [13:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/4b66142f82b2 - Victor Porof - Bug 1018354 - Allow the line graph widget to have a configurable minimum distance between points, r=pbrosset
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# [13:28] <bogdan_maris> Hello, I have some issues starting a nightly debug build (latest). I am prompted with error 'The program can`t start because MSVCR100D.dll is missing from your computer' - Windows 7 64bit
# [13:28] <avih> is mozdev.org dead for real?
# [13:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jmaher: ping
# [13:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jmaher: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=40854863&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [13:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69a1d381a40f - Gabor Krizsanits - Bug 1015576 - fixing performance regression on android. r=mrbkap
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# [13:35] <Pike> avih: http://codeverge.com/mozilla.dev.extensions/mozdev.org/1990651
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# [13:36] <jmaher> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hmm, we need to backout then
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# [13:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jmaher: yeah also android test bustage
# [13:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> working on the backout
# [13:36] <jmaher> ok, thanks
# [13:36] <jmaher> sorry about that
# [13:36] <jmaher> well tested on desktop
# [13:37] <avih> Pike: thx. reading
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# [13:37] <avih> Pike: are you following this to any degree?
# [13:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jmaher: np :)
# [13:38] <Pike> avih: nope, I just googled around
# [13:38] <avih> mozilla seems to be able to do wonder with infrastructure usage and servers, but can't "fix" a 10 years old server which hosts addons?
# [13:39] <Gijs> avih: it's not run by mozilla.
# [13:39] <avih> Gijs: maybe mozilla should take over then? i don't think it's a high maintenance thingy...
# [13:39] <Pike> in the 'moco IT' sense, and probably not even in the community-IT sense
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# [13:40] <avih> like, i want to release a new version of my addon which is hosted there (and also appears on AMO), but if i can't rely on it...
# [13:41] <Pike> avih: even if moco IT would own it, I don't think we'd do a weekend emergency for a dying disk on mozdev.org
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# [13:42] <avih> Pike: right now it seems the only "fix" it needs is a new HDD and someone to migrate the data to the new HDD. i'm personally willing to donate as much as it takes to buy a new HDD. will someone be able to put it to use?
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# [13:42] <Pike> note, as you can see in the newsgroup, they have a plan to get onto something that's virtualized and hosted
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# [13:43] <NeilAway> bogdan_maris: do you have either vc10 or the windows 7.1 sdk installed?
# [13:43] <avih> dunno... these "plans"... nothing really changed in years, and now it seems to finally be dead... however you look at it. if i should extrapolate, it could as well take few more years to get something going
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# [13:44] <NeilAway> bogdan_maris: vs2010 I mean (vs2010 and windows 7.1 sdk both include vc10)
# [13:44] <bogdan_maris> Yes, I do have vc10, vc12, vc08
# [13:44] <avih> so, i'm willing to buy this new HDD. is there anyone able/willing to put it into use?
# [13:44] <NeilAway> bogdan_maris: ok, not the obvious problem then (sorry)
# [13:46] <bogdan_maris> NeilAway: Nope...reinstalled Visual 2010 bot with no success
# [13:46] <bogdan_maris> Also added the .dll intro the folder where I installed nightly, no success
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# [13:47] <bogdan_maris> same with system32
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# [13:47] <Gijs> avih: I don't think the maintainers are in this channel.
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# [13:47] <NeilAway> bogdan_maris: strange :-(
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# [13:47] <Gijs> avih: the best thing I can think of is to email Axel Grude and ask what you can do to help.
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# [13:48] <bogdan_maris> NeilAway: Yeah...and I really need that build to verify a bug...
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# [13:55] <avih> Gijs: i posted also on #mozdev but that # is also kinda dead, and no reply there yet. Who'se Axel?
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# [13:56] <avih> or rather, on which part will he be able to help?
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# [14:04] <Gijs> avih: https://www.mail-archive.com/project_owners@mozdev.org/msg06834.html
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# [14:05] <Gijs> avih: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/user/realraven/
# [14:05] <Gijs> (latter has an email address)
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# [14:34] <@dbaron> so what's the Gecko Profiler addon supposed to do these days?
# [14:34] <@dbaron> Is it supposed to change the way the Tools -> Web Developer -> Profiler UI works, or is it supposed to add different UI?
# [14:35] <@dbaron> (In nightly, it seems to break Tools -> Web Developer -> Profiler completely (no profile data), but I don't see any other UI.)
# [14:35] <@dbaron> mstange, do you know ^
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# [14:35] <mstange> dbaron: I think it's supposed to offer more platform profiling functionality than the Web Developer tools profiler
# [14:35] <padenot> dbaron: the addon does much more than the devtool panel, here
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# [14:36] <mstange> dbaron: the latter one is more for JS profiling of web pages
# [14:36] <@dbaron> padenot, so how do I get to the UI for what the addon does?
# [14:36] <mstange> dbaron: there's a toolbar button
# [14:36] <padenot> dbaron: there is a blueish button next to the hamburger menu
# [14:36] <@dbaron> padenot, mstange, ah, thanks
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# [15:00] <NeilAway> hmm, memory consumption this week seems to be much better than last week
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# [15:04] <RyanVM> Yoric: ping
# [15:05] <Yoric> RyanVM: What have I done?
# [15:05] <Yoric> Oh, and pong.
# [15:05] <RyanVM> Yoric: hah, can't a guy ever just have an innocent question? ;)
# [15:05] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
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# [15:05] <RyanVM> was just looking at the deps on making promise exceptions fatal for mochitests
# [15:05] <RyanVM> looks like not much in the way of progress? :(
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# [15:06] <Yoric> RyanVM: Yeah, I was working mostly on the xpcshell tests.
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# [15:07] <RyanVM> Yoric: are you expecting to do a lot of the test fixup on your own?
# [15:07] <Yoric> Mochitest side, there are 3 non-devtools failures that I know of (all of them intermittent, sadly), and ~30 devtools failures (most of which seem to actually come from only 2 or 3 locations in the source).
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# [15:08] <Yoric> paul handles the devtools side (or will find someone to do it), while I'll probably do the non-devtools side.
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# [15:08] <RyanVM> ok
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# [15:16] <vladan> kats: i'll have to remember what i wanted to ask you first, Friday feels like long ago :P
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# [15:20] <vladan> froydnj: too many headers during soccer
# [15:20] <froydnj> vladan: ow
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# [15:21] <Gijs> Is there an easy way to read styles that aren't currently applied?
# [15:21] <Gijs> in other words, can I query the style system from DOM land "what style would be applied to something satisfying the following selector" ?
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# [15:22] <Gijs> I guess that's not necessarily accurate, and I'd have to loop through the stylesheet's rules to find specific selectors (but I might miss them if the selectors change.
# [15:22] <Gijs> Hrmpf.
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# [15:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2215d5520922 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset 743209d15d59 (bug 1018290) for spidermonkey ggc test failure
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# [15:36] <bbouvier> who should i ping regarding tbpl bugs? (in particular, builds being triggered for platforms i didn't ask for)
# [15:37] <padenot> releng?
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# [15:38] <bbouvier> padenot: thanks
# [15:38] <Pike> bbouvier: tbpl is just reporting builds. build triggering is release automation/engineering
# [15:39] <bbouvier> makes sense
# [15:39] <Pike> I suspect you're actually bothering about the try-chooser behaviour?
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# [15:43] <Yoric> edmorley: Do you want to review the AsyncShutdown patch?
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# [15:57] <edmorley> Yoric: yeah will do :-)
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# [15:58] <edmorley> bbouvier: Release Engineering :: General automation (or for trychooser syntax, Release Engineering :: Tools with keyword trychooser)
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# [16:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bz: thanks for changing my bug from jit to js ..my bad :)
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# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f0b3884af83f - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 1014473 - Trivial code cleanup on AsyncShutdown. r=froydnj
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# [16:18] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: can I land an important backout on central?
# [16:18] <RyanVM> ehsan: are we going to respin for it?
# [16:19] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I think we should
# [16:19] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: in which case, yeah :-)
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# [16:19] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: ty
# [16:19] <edmorley|sheriffduty> funny timing, I'm just updating the wiki for these cases :-)
# [16:19] <RyanVM> hah
# [16:19] <@ehsan> \o/
# [16:19] <RyanVM> win
# [16:19] <@ehsan> should I merge to inbound/b2g-inbound?
# [16:20] <RyanVM> ehsan: *shrug*
# [16:20] <@ehsan> to prevent merge conflicts?
# [16:20] <@ehsan> this touches a bunch of code...
# [16:20] <RyanVM> sure
# [16:20] <RyanVM> and fx-team
# [16:20] <@ehsan> will do
# [16:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6a984e21c2ca - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 3 changesets (bug 957086) for causing bug 1018406
# [16:21] <RyanVM> ehsan: nightlies triggered
# [16:21] <@ehsan> ty
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# [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c4370f7c4472 - Ehsan Akhgari - Merge m-c into m-i
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# [16:25] <@ehsan> RyanVM: edmorley|sheriffduty: merged to all three inbounds
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# [16:25] <RyanVM> danke
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# [16:26] <@ehsan> well, except that I lost the push race on fx-team!
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# [16:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: thank you :-)
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# [16:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/df3506c7ad59 - Yury Delendik - Bug 1015636 - Check if PDF Viewer embed overlay has valid state. r=johns, a=dveditz
# [16:35] <froydnj> hm, 9GB of memory usage after 2 hours, something is clearly wrong :(
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# [16:38] <froydnj> hm, 6GB of heap-unclassified
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# [16:43] <Waldo> 1 ping only
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# [16:44] <nemo> nope. bleah
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# [16:47] <Waldo> hmm, is there a way to do a one-off reply-as-HTML in Thunderbird, or do I have to change the account setting?
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# [16:48] <nemo> Waldo: is totally possible
# [16:48] <nemo> do it alll the time
# [16:48] <nemo> but. have to fire up thunderbird for a refresher :D
# [16:49] <nemo> one moment
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# [16:49] <mjrosenb> firefox seems to be behaving poorly with imgur currently
# [16:49] <mjrosenb> hitting '0' both favorites the images, and does a quick-search for '0'.
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# [16:50] <nemo> Waldo: hrm. I think I normally do it just by styling something in the e-mail...
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# [16:50] <nemo> is that too ugly a method?
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# [16:51] <Ms2ger> mjrosenb, it's a plot to make you more productive
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# [16:52] <mjrosenb> Ms2ger: honestly, not having a working browser at all would make me more productive. Shall I just remove *.cpp from the tree?
# [16:52] <Waldo> nemo: the point is to quote part of the original mail that needs the formatting, so that doesn't quite work enough; guess I could copypasta with that hackaround, maybe
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# [16:52] <Ms2ger> mjrosenb, ifdef DEBUG_mjrosenb? Sure ;)
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# [16:53] <nemo> should be more convenient tho
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# [16:53] <mjrosenb> slightly more relevant question: are all try builds automatically clobber builds?
# [16:53] <Ms2ger> Yes
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# [16:54] <Waldo> mjrosenb: that actually could well be a site bug; pages that handle key events, *should* be calling .preventDefault() on the event to disable the default browser action, and that's the symptoms of failing to call that
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# [16:54] <Ms2ger> Or someone broke .preventDefault()
# [16:54] <mjrosenb> Waldo: but it /has/ worked in the past, which is why i'm confused.
# [16:54] <Waldo> psh, we don't ship buggy code
# [16:54] <mjrosenb> of course, people /never/ break their web sites.
# [16:55] <Ms2ger> Waldo, I sure do!
# [16:55] <WaltS48> Waldo: press Shift + the Reply button or Shift + Followup
# [16:55] <Waldo> WaltS48++
# [16:55] <nemo> ditto!
# [16:55] <nemo> thanks Waldo
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# [16:55] <nemo> er
# [16:55] <nemo> thanks WaltS48
# [16:55] <nemo> <tab> fail
# [16:55] <Ms2ger> Thanks all around!
# [16:55] <nemo> hmmm
# [16:56] <nemo> WaltS48: is there a way to do that when you are already working on an e-mail by any chance?
# [16:56] <mjrosenb> ok, so if this is a clobber build, then I really need to figure out why this is red as an axe murderer on prom night.
# [16:56] <WaltS48> not that I am aware of
# [16:56] <nemo> aight. no worries. just I often think of it half-way through making a post that absolutely needs fixed positioning.
# [16:56] <nemo> er. fixed width font
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# [16:59] <WaltS48> Bug 140800 if anyone is interested
# [16:59] <froydnj> ah, a ghost window
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# [17:00] <WaltS48> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140800
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# [17:02] <nemo> how do I view that 3d mode in firefox dev tools
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# [17:02] <nemo> I've just hit something where it could be handy, and I don't seem to see it in the menu or in the list of icons
# [17:02] <nemo> was it dropped?
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# [17:03] <nemo> ahh
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# [17:03] <nemo> is hidden by default
# [17:03] <nemo> found it under this gear thing, which I can't seem to hide again now (the gear settings menu I mean, once it is enabled, can't seem to remove it)
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# [17:04] <nemo> ah. close tools and opening again
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# [17:04] <froydnj> wtf
# [17:05] <froydnj> how can this firefox be using 100% cpu and yet the only thing the profiler says is that the refresh driver is ticking?
# [17:05] <BenWa> froydnj: could be another thread like a worker
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# [17:06] <froydnj> BenWa: sigh
# [17:07] <froydnj> BenWa: htop says this is, in fact, the main thread
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# [17:07] <BenWa> froydnj: Then where are the samples for the main thread?
# [17:07] <froydnj> BenWa: 75% under refresh driver ticks
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# [17:13] <mjrosenb> ok, who knows how our configure system works?
# [17:13] <froydnj> you're asking people to own up to that?
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# [17:13] <@ehsan> mjrosenb: what do you need to know?
# [17:13] <mjrosenb> I think I know what is wrong, but I'm not 100% sure how to fix it
# [17:13] <Waldo> hey, don't bash configure
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# [17:14] <mjrosenb> ehsan: so, it looks like we create a symlink to $_objdir/build/unix/gold/ld when --enable-gold is passed (which seems to be the default), and the ld being used by default *isn't* gold.
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# [17:15] <@ehsan> ok
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# [17:15] <mjrosenb> I'm trying to get aarch64 support working, but my aarch64 toolchain doesn't support gold.
# [17:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bff5585f1b9b - Jon Coppeard - Bug 1008473 - Remove some redundant methods and misc tidyup r=terrence
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# [17:16] <mjrosenb> so build/unix/gold/ld ends up being a symlink to /usr/bin/ld.gold, rather than to a linker that actually works.
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# [17:16] <@ehsan> hmm
# [17:17] <mjrosenb> https://gist.github.com/6c8032cdeb229c3f6938
# [17:17] <froydnj> sounds like we should check -f ld.gold
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# [17:17] <mjrosenb> although on closer inspection this may be my toolchain's issue?
# [17:17] <@ehsan> yeah I don't know this stuff off the top of my head... sorry
# [17:17] <froydnj> I think the -print-prog-name just echoes if it can't give you a full path
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# [17:18] <mjrosenb> froydnj: ahh, if that is expected behavior, then we should probably handle this.
# [17:18] <mjrosenb> froydnj: yeah. Just tried with 'arfgblag'
# [17:19] <froydnj> mjrosenb: yeah, we should check that it matches ^/ or somesuch
# [17:19] <mjrosenb> froydnj: we *do*, and if it doesn't, we use $(which foo)
# [17:19] <mjrosenb> which is how ld.gold => /usr/bin/ld.gold
# [17:19] <mjrosenb> maybe that's the problem?
# [17:20] <froydnj> ah, that's busted for crosses, then?
# [17:20] <mjrosenb> if it isn't a full path, we should just assume gold can't be found?
# [17:20] <mjrosenb> well, it is busted for crosses that don't have a gold.
# [17:20] <froydnj> or is all this running on an aarch64 system?
# [17:20] <mjrosenb> froydnj: cross compile.
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# [17:21] <mjrosenb> yeah, configuring with explicit --disable-gold fixed it.
# [17:21] <mjrosenb> I feel like that shouldn't be a necessary step.
# [17:21] <froydnj> mjrosenb: I think the right thing is to only do $(which ld.gold) for the ! $CROSS_COMPILE case
# [17:21] <froydnj> or something like that
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# [17:27] <Waldo> :-D
# [17:27] <NeilAway> nemo: if you're composing in HTML and you need "plain" text, can't you select preformat paragraph format?
# [17:28] <froydnj> hm, DOM worker doing a bunch of CSS work
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# [17:30] <froydnj> um, the stream transport thread is not doing css selectors
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# [17:31] <Waldo> gotta conquer amdahl somehow
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# [17:31] <kats> smaug: have some time to discuss bug 1004266?
# [17:31] <@smaug> sure
# [17:32] <kats> smaug: so do you agree that content receiving events in a re-entrant manner is bad?
# [17:32] <@smaug> yes
# [17:32] <froydnj> hm, is there a way to make ctrl-d *not* popup a silly little bookmark window
# [17:32] <@smaug> but that is nothing new
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# [17:32] <kats> smaug: right, but as i understand it the event suppression has been sufficient to handle it until now
# [17:32] <@smaug> and we're not going to have separate task queues etc any time soon
# [17:32] <@smaug> event suppression is a special case for...
# [17:33] <mstange> jwatt: oops, ignore that (pressed up + enter in the wrong window...)
# [17:33] <@smaug> mouse/key/focus/blur events, and perhaps touch
# [17:33] <jwatt> heh
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# [17:33] <@smaug> kats: and it is rather fragile
# [17:33] <kats> smaug: ok, if event suppression is a special case, is there a more general mechanism to avoid this happening on desktop?
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# [17:33] <@smaug> this does happen on desktop
# [17:34] <kats> smaug: ah so it's bad but not a bug?
# [17:34] <@smaug> when a dom event is dispatched, event loop may spin
# [17:34] <@smaug> well, that is how our event loop handling works atm
# [17:34] <@smaug> nested event loop spinning is annoying
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# [17:34] <kats> smaug: ok i see
# [17:34] <@smaug> but we have several cases when it happens
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# [17:35] <@smaug> alert(), sync XHR, showModalDialog etc
# [17:35] <kats> smaug: so then it's up to the content to make sure they deal with it?
# [17:35] <@smaug> showModalDialog spins event loop even per HTML spec
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# [17:35] <@smaug> "content" means what here?
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# [17:35] <kats> smaug: web content
# [17:36] <@smaug> oh, sure
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# [17:36] <kats> smaug: ok, so then it seems to me that the null-pointer fix is sufficient
# [17:36] <@smaug> showModalDialog will be gone soon from the platform, and we're trying to kill sync XHR from the main thread, and alert() isn't really used...
# [17:36] <@smaug> possibly yes
# [17:36] <kats> and the web content in this case shouldn't be doing things that spin the event loop without accounting for it
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# [17:37] <@smaug> sync XHR is the surprising case, since the fact the event loop spins is a Gecko bug
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# [17:37] <@smaug> hopefully either sync XHR will be killed, or we can make it not spin event loop in e10s
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# [17:38] <kats> ok
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# [17:40] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: is it just me or did nobody run mcmerge on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=ce134a7820fe ?
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# [17:41] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: plausible; looking
# [17:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94e79e259c6c - Bobby Holley - Bug 1015791 - Clean up duplication in release-mode conditionality of *Array.prototype.move. r=luke
# [17:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70aedc180581 - Bobby Holley - Bug 1015791 - Stop assuming that all TypedArray classes are initialized simultaneously. r=luke
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# [17:41] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: running now, ty :-)
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# [18:40] <snorp> bhearsum: ping?
# [18:40] <bhearsum> snorp: hi
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# [18:40] <snorp> bhearsum: are you an admin for mozilla org on github?
# [18:41] <bhearsum> technically, yes, but i probably shouldn't be
# [18:41] <snorp> I need to move a repo over
# [18:41] <snorp> ok do you know who I should talk to about that?
# [18:41] <bhearsum> hwine is probably your best bet
# [18:41] <snorp> hwine: ping :)
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# [18:42] <hwine> snorp: pong - from where to where?
# [18:42] <snorp> hwine: https://github.com/eamsen/node-gonzales
# [18:42] <snorp> hwine: to mozilla/node-gonzales
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# [18:43] <hwine> snorp: who should be able to commit to it on github?
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# [18:44] <hwine> snorp: and do you need this mirrored to git.m.o (for access from test infra)
# [18:45] <snorp> hwine: snorp, eamsen, and ackar
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# [18:45] <snorp> hwine: not yet for mirroring no
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# [18:46] <hwine> snorp: so, there are 2 ways to go - we can 'mv' or 'cp' -- since no one has forked you yet, either works
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# [18:47] <snorp> hwine: cp is fine
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# [18:47] <padenot> froydnj: what the catch with dmd builds?
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# [18:48] <padenot> froydnj: are they slower? known issues?
# [18:48] <mjrosenb> 07e2e6f9f2c3 Unknown – Pushlog failed to load
# [18:48] <mjrosenb> c.c
# [18:48] <padenot> mjrosenb: f5
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# [18:48] <mjrosenb> yeah.
# [18:48] <mjrosenb> just a fun message.
# [18:48] <padenot> mjrosenb: clearly you're too fast :-)
# [18:49] <mjrosenb> yes.. clearly.
# [18:49] <froydnj> mjrosenb: no catch, afaik
# [18:49] <mjrosenb> froydnj: huh?
# [18:50] <hwine> snorp: can you email me the github id's for those 3 folks, and a "name" for your group? like "node-devs" or "fennec-testers" or whatever best describes the group
# [18:50] <froydnj> mjrosenb: oh, sorry, that was padenot
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# [18:50] <hwine> snorp: actually, can you put that all in a bug, please?
# [18:50] <snorp> hwine: yup, which product?
# [18:51] <hwine> snorp: prod release engineering, hooks & repos
# [18:51] <padenot> froydnj: I'm wondering why it isn't the default for debug builds
# [18:51] <padenot> froydnj: or is it?
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# [18:53] <froydnj> padenot: oh, that --enable-debug => --enable-dmd?
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# [18:53] <padenot> froydnj: yes, for example
# [18:53] <nemo> woooooooo webkit bug reporting fixed one of my long-standing super-annoying bugs, ♥ ♥ ♥
# [18:53] <snorp> hwine: done, thanks
# [18:54] <nemo> admittedly, it took someone else filing a new bug to get it on the radar again
# [18:54] <nemo> you know, I think this reinforces my "you need to poke bugs every half a year or so" theory. that applies to bugzilla too...
# [18:54] <froydnj> padenot: I do not know. possibly just historical inertia at this point, from when dmd required external tooling
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# [18:55] <froydnj> padenot: see e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018039#c2 and the reply
# [18:55] <padenot> froydnj: thanks
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# [18:58] <mjrosenb> froydnj: I did ask about CROSS_COMPILE earlier. any idea?
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# [19:00] <froydnj> mjrosenb: sorry, must have scrolled off, let me look
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# [19:00] <froydnj> mjrosenb: so, for some silly reason, if you are compiling host != target, you must set CROSS_COMPILE yourself in your mozconfig
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# [19:01] <froydnj> presumably because things like i686 x x86-64 aren't really "crosses" in the traditional sense
# [19:02] <mjrosenb> froydnj: I've never needed to do this before :-(
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# [19:03] <mccr8> avih: pong
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# [19:04] <avih> mccr8: hey :) thanks for your reply. would you have few minutes to discuss and come up with an approach for that CC numbers?
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# [19:04] <mccr8> avih: sure
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# [19:04] <froydnj> mjrosenb: possible we may have made crosses to arm DTRT since it's so common, too
# [19:04] <avih> mccr8: you prefer irc? skype? or maybe you're even in toronto? (i'm here for the week)
# [19:05] <froydnj> mjrosenb: but I know I had to set it for unusual configurations, e.g. bug 921040, or things broke badly
# [19:05] <mccr8> avih: Sorry, I'm in MV. IRC is easier, if only because I don't have Skype. :)
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# [19:06] <avih> mccr8: next time we'd use webrtc ;) anyway, irc is fine.
# [19:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3fe6b7f69763 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 1018893 part 1 - Make lastIndexOf work with Latin1 strings. r=luke
# [19:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dcfd3a026c6f - Jan de Mooij - Bug 1018893 part 2 - Make indexOf and contains work with Latin1 strings. r=luke
# [19:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2766dd9e3873 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 1018563 - Drop number of expected hazards for the shell to 0. r=sfink
# [19:06] <avih> mccr8: so, i understand we should count "slices"? is this the correct terminology?
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# [19:07] <avih> mccr8: since CC runs on the main thread and only on the main thread, could we count the overall duration CC was executed?
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# [19:07] <mccr8> avih: each individual CC is broken up into slices of work. the browser runs normally in between slices.
# [19:08] <mjrosenb> froydnj: it seems like it should be pretty trivial to detect host != target c.c
# [19:08] <mccr8> avih: do you want to measure the total amount of time that animations were interrupted, or how many times?
# [19:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cb3e958fc249 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 1018638 - Extra zone group assertions (r=jonco)
# [19:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64788916250a - Bill McCloskey - Bug 1017150 - Fix zone assertions in breakpoint sweeping (r=jonco)
# [19:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/313dee1cd228 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 1016738 - Simplify/fix "dead compartment" logic (r=luke,jonco)
# [19:09] <avih> mccr8: that''s one of the questions we should answer. the ultimate goal is to measure disruptions, but we'd have to come up with something which correlates reasonably well with "disruptions". maybe if how slices overNN ms per frame?
# [19:09] <avih> how many*
# [19:10] <froydnj> mjrosenb: so the host != target check in configure.in (build/autoconf/toolchain.m4:MOZ_CROSS_COMPILER) already sets CROSS_COMPILE appropriately
# [19:10] <jedp> ehsan hi! can you join us in Services vidyo? thanks!
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# [19:10] <avih> mccr8: do you have a counter someplace which accumulates slices?
# [19:11] <mjrosenb> froydnj: is it possible that gets set after the check for gold?
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# [19:11] <avih> i.e. it accumulates milliseconds spent in CC?
# [19:11] <froydnj> mjrosenb: that is entirely possible
# [19:12] <mccr8> avih: yes, we collect per-slice measurements in FinishCycleCollectionSlice() in dom/base/nsJSEnvironment.cpp
# [19:12] <froydnj> mjrosenb: though it looks like we force gold always if ! --enable-release
# [19:12] <mccr8> avih: including the largest slice in a given CC http://telemetry.mozilla.org/#nightly/32/CYCLE_COLLECTOR_MAX_PAUSE
# [19:12] <mjrosenb> froydnj: :-(
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# [19:13] <mjrosenb> froydnj: well, it still shouldn't force gold if gold doesn't exist (for native), right?
# [19:13] <mccr8> avih: so, from my CC-centered view, I was thinking we could throw some callback in there to check if we interrupted an animation.
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# [19:13] <avih> mccr8: so that's per slice, is there something which accumulates those? e.g. at point X in time i could read this value, and in point Y later poll it again, and conclude how much time was spent on CC?
# [19:14] <avih> mccr8: callback from where to where?
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# [19:14] <avih> like, when CC starts, and then when CC ends, so whoever wants to measure could use those to time it?
# [19:14] <mccr8> avih: well, the way I do it right now is that we collect data per slice, and then once per CC, we report telemetry in nsJSContext::EndCycleCollectionCallback(), with the accumulated data.
# [19:14] <mccr8> avih: of course, multiple CCs in a row could in theory interrupt a single long running animation.
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# [19:15] <avih> mccr8: yes, that's what we wanna look at with this telemetry
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# [19:15] <froydnj> mjrosenb: one would think, yes
# [19:15] <mccr8> avih: yeah, that same code accumulates mTotalSliceTime, which is the total amount of time we've spent running the CC.
# [19:16] <mccr8> avih: so I think if there was some function to return that, you could check it at the start of whatever, then check it again at the end.
# [19:16] <froydnj> mjrosenb: did you patch out the $(which) bit in compiler-opts.m4?
# [19:16] <mccr8> avih: of course, that gets reset at the end of each CC, which might make it a little odd.
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# [19:16] <avih> mccr8: so, if i understand your approach, you suggest to provide (or maybe there are such already) callback on CC start/end (or slices start/end?) and from the animation side, we'll register the callbacks when starting the animation, accumulate stuff from callbacks, and at the end of the animation arrive at whatever conclusions we could conclude from it?
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# [19:17] <mjrosenb> froydnj: https://gist.github.com/30bcf0623d6dad893507
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# [19:17] <mccr8> avih: yeah, I don't know which way is better to structure it. the animation could call into the CC stuff, or vice versa.
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# [19:18] <avih> mccr8: the other way being the CC stuff calls / registers-callbacks to the animation side?
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# [19:18] <mccr8> avih: well, the animation could check how much accumulated time has happened while it is running, or something.
# [19:18] <avih> mccr8: i know it's manageable from the animation side, but not familiar enough with the CC side to pull such thing off
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# [19:19] <avih> mccr8: yes! how? :) (read accumulated CC duration)
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# [19:20] <mccr8> avih: well, adding whatever static methods on nsJSEnvironment would let you get at it from elsewhere.
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# [19:20] <mccr8> avih: if this is happening from JS, then it could get stuck on some IDL somewhere
# [19:20] <avih> mccr8: i'm starting to lose you a bit...
# [19:21] <froydnj> mjrosenb: I think you want test -z "$CROSS_COMPILE"
# [19:21] <mccr8> avih: ok. well, first we have to modify FinishCycleCollectionSlice() to accumulate whatever data we want into some kind of global variable in nsJSEnvironment.
# [19:21] <avih> mccr8: do we need anyone else in this talk to help facilitate this? bz is at this very room actually, would he be able to help?
# [19:21] <padenot> froydnj: is dmd expected to work on osx, or should I go straight to Linux?
# [19:21] <mccr8> avih: then, we add some kind of getter to read the data out of the global variable.
# [19:21] <avih> right
# [19:22] <froydnj> padenot: expected to work on osx
# [19:22] <mccr8> avih: I'm not sure how familiar bz is with this in particular. smaug knows this, too, though he's probably not in the room. :)
# [19:22] <avih> he's not :)
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# [19:22] <padenot> froydnj: well, it does not build here --enable-debug --disable-optimize --enable-dmd
# [19:23] <froydnj> padenot: huh. what's the issue?
# [19:23] <avih> mccr8: so, any estimation of how much would it could be to export such counter? i'm completely unable to assess the complexity of this. is this like few lines? or some considerable work?
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# [19:23] <avih> or both :)
# [19:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/0f5c1cd2c79a - Steve Fink - Bug 941796 - Enable exact rooting by default on b2g, r=nbp
# [19:23] <mccr8> avih: just a few lines.
# [19:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/793ba432fa0a - Steve Fink - Bug 1017419 - Handlify nsTArrayToJSArray, r=terrence
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# [19:23] <mccr8> avih: do you need to get at it from JS or C++?
# [19:24] <avih> mccr8: js
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# [19:24] <RyanVM> sfink: ^ oh ear
# [19:24] <RyanVM> dear*
# [19:24] <avih> that's where all the UI animations are triggered from
# [19:24] <padenot> froydnj: dunno, the linker decided to throw 1000 pages of text at my face
# [19:24] <mccr8> avih: ok, well, it would be a few more lines, but it is all boilerplate basically. ;)
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# [19:24] <froydnj> padenot: that is suboptimal
# [19:24] <padenot> froydnj: or maybe I'm just being dumb
# [19:24] <padenot> that would not be a first
# [19:24] <avih> mccr8: right. do you think you could afford few extra cycles of your time for this?
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# [19:25] <@smaug> mccr8: avih: er what
# [19:25] <@smaug> ah, some physical room
# [19:25] <sfink> RyanVM: oh, I should give you a try link for that
# [19:25] <froydnj> padenot: hm, so the wiki says --enable-debug --enable-dmd works https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink/DMD#Desktop_Firefox_.28Mac.29
# [19:26] <froydnj> padenot: can you file a bug that your config did not work, and cc njn, erahm, and me?
# [19:26] <avih> smaug: re bug 1017055, seing thet CC could affect UI animations (it happened to affect tart numbers) mccr8 suggested to get some telemetry of how much CC disrupts animation, so we're trying to come up with something
# [19:26] <RyanVM> sfink: ggc is the scarier part for b2g, right? exact rooting is more "either it works or it doesn't" ?
# [19:26] <mccr8> avih: sure, if I can figure out exactly what you want. :)
# [19:26] <froydnj> sfink: what, you didn't live dangerously by only checking that it compiles on your machine?
# [19:26] <padenot> froydnj: I'll it when I'm confident my patches are not the cause of this
# [19:26] <froydnj> sfink: opt only, even?
# [19:26] <sfink> RyanVM: well... no, they're each scary in their own ways
# [19:26] <sfink> froydnj: :)
# [19:27] <RyanVM> sfink: planning to enable ggc before the merge?
# [19:27] <sfink> RyanVM: exact rooting is scary because if you get it wrong, you open up the door to vulnerabilities. So no, it's not works/doesn't work.
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# [19:27] <mccr8> the main problem with GGC will be OOMing. :)
# [19:27] <avih> mccr8: i want something to correlate reasonably well with how much CC interrupts UI animations. i thought that counting how much time was spent on CC would allow us to come up with meaningful numbers. you think it's not good? yes good? alternatives?
# [19:27] <jrmuizel> RyanVM: pong
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# [19:27] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: belated unping :P
# [19:27] <jrmuizel> RyanVM: :)
# [19:28] <sfink> RyanVM: they're harder to exploit with ggc off, but you could still free something that's still sitting live on the stack somewhere
# [19:28] <@ehsan> jedp: shoot, I missed the meeting :(
# [19:28] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: went ahead and did the old end-around
# [19:28] <@ehsan> jedp: calendar fail, so sorry
# [19:28] <sfink> RyanVM: on the other hand, ggc on b2g currently fails try. ;-)
# [19:28] <jedp> ehsan no worries - we can reschedule!
# [19:28] <RyanVM> sfink: so getting it done by the end of the week is looking iffy?
# [19:28] <@ehsan> jedp: please, I'll make sure to not miss it again
# [19:28] <sfink> RyanVM: and yes, we're giong to try to get ggc in, but separate bake time for exact rooting should be helpful
# [19:28] <RyanVM> ah, ok
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# [19:29] <mccr8> avih: so the animation code would basically call something at the start of when it does stuff, then call another thing when it stops, to figure out the total elapsed time during the animation?
# [19:29] <mccr8> does that sound reasonable?
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# [19:30] <@smaug> mccr8: I wonder, could we have a hint for animation, and that wouldn't prevent cc/gc, but shorter slices
# [19:30] <sfink> RyanVM: btw, is all the M(10) crap in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=4267fa5c6a7d expected?
# [19:31] <@smaug> (not for telemetry, but for UI)
# [19:31] <avih> mccr8: it does. though, it gets complex. now that i think of it, if a 300ms animation "saw" accumulated 50ms CC, it would make a difference if it happened in one hand, or spend as 2ms per each of the ~25 frames
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# [19:31] <RyanVM> sfink: i assume that's an old parent
# [19:31] <mccr8> smaug: yeah, the GC does that already.
# [19:31] <sfink> yeah, it's pretty old now
# [19:31] <RyanVM> sfink: because that failure was fixed by backout IIRC
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# [19:31] <avih> s/hand/chunk/
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# [19:31] <sfink> ah, ok
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# [19:32] <@smaug> hmm, I don't think iGC does exactly that
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# [19:32] <mccr8> avih: that's true. if there was some kind of startTracking() and stopTracking() then you could record the max pause during that period?
# [19:32] <@smaug> but sure, perhaps the same setup could be used
# [19:32] <@smaug> it relies on painting IIRC
# [19:32] <erahm> padenot: I suppose it's possible --disable-optimize is messing things up, in my config I use '--enable-optimize='-O0''
# [19:32] <mccr8> smaug: yeah, NotifyDidPain()
# [19:33] <mccr8> NotifyDidPaint()
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# [19:33] <avih> mccr8: i could call such calls when starting and stopping the animation, is this what you're asking?
# [19:33] <padenot> erahm: mpted
# [19:33] <sfink> NotifyFeltPain()
# [19:33] <padenot> erahm: noted, sorry
# [19:33] <mccr8> smaug: and when shorter slices are triggered through those mechanisms, regular slices are suppressed, or something
# [19:33] <mccr8> avih: yes.
# [19:33] <mccr8> avih: then it could track the longest pause
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# [19:34] <avih> mccr8: sounds great to me.
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# [19:34] <mccr8> avih: ok, great. Hopefully I'll get a chance to do that this week...
# [19:35] <avih> mccr8: yeah, "longest hang" sounds very useful indeed, and probably covers us reasonably well. better than accumulation
# [19:36] <avih> mccr8: much appreciated. do you need a bug filed on this?
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# [19:36] <mccr8> avih: I'm filing one now. I'll mark it blocking the other one.
# [19:36] <avih> mccr8: thank you very much :)
# [19:36] <mccr8> np
# [19:36] <avih> mccr8: (i'm sitting with js guys now, i'll ask them for similar help with GC)
# [19:37] <mccr8> ok great.
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# [19:37] <mccr8> avih: for GC, you want to talk to jonco or terrence probably.
# [19:38] <avih> mccr8: terrence is right infront of mr :)
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# [19:38] <avih> me*
# [19:38] <mccr8> ah great, I didn't know he was in TO
# [19:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05ddfd9f4f09 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 815002 - Enable loopback devices on Linux Mochitests. r=ahal
# [19:38] <avih> mccr8: yeah, gfx/js "bootcamp" thingy
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# [19:40] <dhylands> I need to find out how to detect if I'm running in the b2g emulator inside a mochitest. Does anybody know how to do that? Or who I should talk to?
# [19:40] <RyanVM> dhylands: i think you detect the toolkit you're on
# [19:40] <RyanVM> or the UA
# [19:40] <RyanVM> and gonk would be a dead-giveaway
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# [19:41] <dhylands> RyanVM: toolkit == gonk, which is true for device and emulator. And UA allows me to tell Android from b2g, but not emulator from device
# [19:41] <dhylands> RyanVM: I'm trying to distinguish device from emulator
# [19:41] <RyanVM> hrm
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# [19:42] <RyanVM> dhylands: ateam is in a meeting now, but try pinging in #ateam?
# [19:43] <dhylands> RyanVM: I've tried pining over there several times and not gotten any responses. jgriffin is normally who I ask for this type of thing, but he deosn't seem to be around
# [19:43] <RyanVM> he is, he's running our meetin g:P
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# [19:43] <dhylands> RyanVM: ok - I'll try again later...
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# [19:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dhylands: meeting's over
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# [20:00] <dhylands> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks - I'll just wait until jgriffin shows up in #ateam
# [20:00] <jgriffin> dhylands: there is a way you can look at android build props in gecko
# [20:00] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> he's in there
# [20:00] <dhylands> jgriffin: I know how to do that from chrome
# [20:00] <jgriffin> oh you want to do it from content?
# [20:01] <dhylands> jgriffin: I use that to turn adb on/off
# [20:01] <jimm> why do we have navigation buttons on the html5 video context menu?
# [20:01] <dhylands> jgriffin: I'm trying to do it from a mochitest
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# [20:01] <dhylands> jgriffin: Which I assume is content
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# [20:01] <jimm> oh, those are on all content context menus. weird.
# [20:01] <jgriffin> yes. We probably would need to add a SpecialPowers wrapper for that
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# [20:02] <dhylands> jgriffin: Are we currently running mochitests on any device? Or still just on the emulator?
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# [20:03] <jgriffin> just the emulator
# [20:03] <jgriffin> we don't have any plans to run mochitests on device atm
# [20:03] <jgriffin> (but that might change)
# [20:04] <dhylands> jgriffin: And is android the same?
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# [20:04] <jgriffin> We run mochitests on Android on panda boards and emulators
# [20:04] <bkero> mcote: ping
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# [20:05] <dhylands> jgriffin: ok - the test I'm trying to add is for a specific codec which probably doesn't exist on the pandaboard either - Sigh
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# [20:09] <mcote> bkero: pong
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# [20:10] <bkero> mcote: taras said you had a hostname of a reviewboard host
# [20:12] <mcote> there's a dev version at reviewboard-dev.allizom.org and a "staging" (kind of production, for now) instance at reviewboard.allizom.org
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# [20:14] <@ehsan> avih: btw if you got a second in between the sessions some time this week, I'd love to hear how the talos effort is going along
# [20:14] <@ehsan> avih: I sort of stopped watching the progress after the last we talked about it
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# [20:14] <jmaher> ehsan: any questions I could answer?
# [20:14] <avih> ehsan: sure. i got time, are you at TO?
# [20:14] <@ehsan> jmaher: no, avih is in Toronto this week, hence the above
# [20:15] <@ehsan> nothing concrete
# [20:15] <@ehsan> avih: yep
# [20:15] <jmaher> cool, glad you two can sync up
# [20:15] <@ehsan> indeed :)
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# [20:15] <avih> ehsan: sure. i'll ping you once the current session is done.
# [20:15] <@ehsan> avih: sounds good, no rush!
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# [20:15] <avih> ehsan: ok. friday then? :p
# [20:16] <@ehsan> avih: wfm!
# [20:16] <avih> ehsan: :) i'll ping you
# [20:16] <bkero> mcote: thanks
# [20:16] <@ehsan> awesome
# [20:16] <snorp> yo
# [20:16] <snorp> I need an irc op
# [20:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/ba7fcac04c5b - Michael Comella - Bug 997477 - Part 1: Factor out show/stopEditingAnimationListeners.
# [20:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/0e6f1d91ca26 - Michael Comella - Bug 997477 - Part 3: Remove guards around urlBarTranslatingEdge in appropriate configs.
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# [20:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/3e87d48d9f42 - Michael Comella - Bug 997477 - Part 2: Add tablet editing mode cancel button.
# [20:17] <@ehsan> snorp: what's up?
# [20:17] <snorp> ehsan: can you give someone ops in #gonzales
# [20:17] <@ehsan> snorp: oh, I think I'm only op here
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# [20:17] <@ehsan> snorp: try gavin
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# [20:17] <snorp> gavin: ^^^
# [20:17] <mcomella> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ^ I just pushed but I forgot to add "r=lucasr" to those patches. What should I do?
# [20:17] * padenot wonders what gonzales is
# [20:17] <snorp> padenot: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Gonzales
# [20:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mcomella: nothing
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# [20:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mcomella: just leave it at this point - it's in the bug
# [20:18] <mcomella> k
# [20:18] <mcomella> ty
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# [20:18] <snorp> gavin: thanks
# [20:18] <froydnj> snorp: do you know of plans to transplant the mobile awesomeness of fennec to the b2g browser?
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# [20:18] <@ehsan> snorp: awesome project btw!
# [20:18] <snorp> froydnj: which mobile awesomeness
# [20:18] <snorp> froydnj: (no)
# [20:18] <snorp> ehsan: thanks! we have high hopes
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# [20:18] <snorp> ehsan: not sure if it will all pan out or not :)
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# [20:18] <@smaug> mcote: login to reviewboard.allizom.org is safe and all? It won't leak bugzilla pw?
# [20:18] <froydnj> snorp: any and all; the b2g browser is lacking in awesomeness
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# [20:18] <snorp> froydnj: yeah, it is
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# [20:19] <froydnj> (the real motivation is having to scroll back to the top to get the urlbar, but I am happy with additional awesomeness)
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# [20:20] <mcote> smaug: totally safe :)
# [20:20] <mcote> smaug: that's a slightly old version, btw, with almost no integration with bugzilla. we're rolling out a new version very soon, sometime this week
# [20:21] <@smaug> ah, perhaps I'll try then
# [20:21] <mcote> reviewboard-dev (which is tied to bugzilla-dev) has the latest stuff including posting urls-as-attachments to bugzilla and mirroring comments/diffs
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# [20:21] <mcote> if anyone wants to play with reviewboard-dev, just ask me (or in #bmo) for a password reset on bugzilla-dev
# [20:22] <mcote> since we regularly update and sanitize the db there, and email is disabled
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# [20:22] <gps> how did we do OMT I/O before OS.File?
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# [20:22] <froydnj> badly
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# [20:23] <gps> i'm implementing a hotfix add-on that needs to download and save the firefox installer (~30 MB)
# [20:23] <gps> my theory is there will be lots of jank if I do this wrong
# [20:23] <@khuey> waht
# [20:23] * froydnj guesses this is the upgrade-from-3.0 stuff
# [20:23] <gps> upgrade from 10 since 10 is earliest that supported hotfix add-ons
# [20:24] <@gavin> I thought it was 12
# [20:24] <gps> whatevs
# [20:24] <gps> old-ass Firefox
# [20:24] <froydnj> so old that we can no longer remember which version
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# [20:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/92b1334cfdc4 - Jeff Walden - Bug 993768. Patch is sort of a tag-team effort from jwalden and jonco. r=jwalden, r=jonco, a=lsblakk
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# [20:25] <gps> froydnj: how should I implement this to minimize jank?
# [20:25] <gps> in-memory chunking and periodic flushing of smaller blocks?
# [20:26] <@gavin> I don't think you need to beat these versions of Firefox at saving downloads
# [20:26] <@gavin> we're going to fix their jank issues by upgrading them
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# [20:26] <gps> gavin: if I can get a good background experience for cheap, I'm doing it
# [20:27] <froydnj> the jankiness will continue until the jankiness improves?
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# [20:27] <gps> if I can't, then I'll do a single write and upset the perf gods
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# [20:29] <gps> froydnj: found it. this should be doable. I'm already coding nsIChannel foo
# [20:29] <@gavin> the existing file saving mechanisms in ~12 are fine
# [20:29] <gps> gavin: which ones?
# [20:29] <@gavin> "mostly OMT"
# [20:29] <@gavin> webbrowserpersist or nsichannel/fileoutput streams
# [20:29] <@gavin> I forget the details of which is best
# [20:30] <gps> yeah, that's what NetUtil.jsm:asyncCopy uses (nsIChannel)
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# [20:32] <vladan> kats: i was going to ask you about bug 1015576, see gbrown's last comment
# [20:32] <gps> oh, I didn't know about nsIWebBrowserPersist
# [20:32] <vladan> kats: oh i didn't see your reply in my bugmail, n/m
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# [20:33] <gps> (it would have to open the file in append mode)
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# [21:08] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ping
# [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: pong-diddily-ong
# [21:09] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: very chipper today
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# [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> too early in the week for my spirit to be broken yet :P
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# [21:09] <froydnj> hah
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# [21:10] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: procedural question for bug 1018414: I think it's too much trouble to rewrite the test, so I'd like to just disable it on osx
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# [21:10] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: can I just disable it on say-so, I do I need to ask a DOM peer?
# [21:11] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: and then do I need another bug for re-enabling, etc. etc.
# [21:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i would think you'd at least want to bring it up with rstrong since he wrote the test
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# [21:12] <qDot> So how long until we're compiling Swift to JS.
# [21:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> But assuming you got buy-in to disable, I would just point to bug 1018414 in the manifest and use that for fixing it too
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# [21:12] <froydnj> Swift?
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# [21:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and just push the disabling with a leave-open for now
# [21:13] <froydnj> hm
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# [21:14] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, thanks
# [21:14] <qDot> froydnj: Apple's new language, just announced.
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# [21:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: good luck :)
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# [21:17] <mt> Swift will use the now unused .swf file extension.
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# [21:21] <tetsuharu> I feel swift has similar syntax with Rust
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# [21:36] <fossterer> Hi! I am asked to re submit a patch that has an r+. Can I edit it in-place or should I send a new one?
# [21:37] <padenot> fossterer: send a new one
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# [21:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d74a2f6f81ee - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 1018476 - Untemplatize InlineFrameIterator. (r=djvj)
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# [21:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6aa30c2cc6da - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 1018621 - Fix strict mode arguments observability in Ion. (r=nbp)
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# [21:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/98172fd7e9d2 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
# [21:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/99e3b0470334 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [21:44] <fossterer> padenot: So I should put a review ? and a checkin ? this time and wait for review? (With reference to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018089#c4)
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# [21:51] <padenot> just a review?, the right thing will hopefully be done
# [21:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4fd52b457b2b - ffxbld - Added RELEASE_BASE_20140602 tag for changeset ba4a8f81efdc. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [21:52] <fossterer> padenot: Thank you
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# [22:12] <KWierso> RyanVM|sheriffduty: aurora bustage
# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: hah
# [22:13] <KWierso> well, you need to uplift the test adjustment
# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> was wondering if that was going to show up there or not
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# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> didn't want to land the adjustment in case it didn't
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# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: but yeah, I was watching those pushes (beta too) to see :)
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# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: green on beta though :P
# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lolololol
# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lsblakk: ^
# [22:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lsblakk: so that thing I pinged you about, it hit the aurora uplift but not beta it appears :P
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# [22:15] <KWierso> RyanVM|sheriffduty: you sure? still pending on my end :|
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# [22:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: self-serve shows a finished 10.8 debug run...
# [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: and there it is on tbpl
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# [22:17] <KWierso> fun
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# [22:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: pretty darn fortunate if I should say so myself :)
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# [22:20] <gandalf> smaug: ping
# [22:21] <@smaug> gandalf: pong
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# [22:21] <gandalf> smaug: does it ever happen that mutations passed from MO (addedNodes) are DOMFragment instead of DOMElement?
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# [22:22] <gandalf> smaug: I mean, if I inject <div><b></b></div> will it be reported as two additions or is it possible that it'll be a single one?
# [22:22] <@smaug> document fragment isn't ever added to something
# [22:22] <@smaug> hmm
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# [22:22] <@smaug> that would be one addition
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# [22:23] <gandalf> ok
# [22:23] <@smaug> if you do fooelement.innerHTML = "<div><b></b></div>"
# [22:23] <@smaug> addedNodes should have that div
# [22:23] <gandalf> so I do have to traverse the addedNodes looking for data-l10n-id inside?
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# [22:23] <gandalf> I'm talking about this portion of code: https://github.com/zbraniecki/l20n.js/blob/992473-mutationobserver/bindings/l20n/runtime.js#L230-L232
# [22:23] <@smaug> oh, sure
# [22:23] <gandalf> ok, good
# [22:24] <gandalf> I wasn't sure if that would work this way :)
# [22:24] <gandalf> because I think I saw it once return one addedNode for <body> and then another mutation for nodes in body
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# [22:24] <@smaug> that is during page load ?
# [22:24] <gandalf> yes
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# [22:24] <@smaug> there is a bug open...
# [22:24] <@smaug> Bug 902618
# [22:25] <@smaug> I should just land the patch
# [22:25] <@smaug> sicking won't like it, but the API is just saner with that behavior
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# [22:25] <sicking> i disagree that it's saner
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# [22:26] <sicking> you need to do deep inspection of fragments anyway to handle mutations that happen after the document has been parsed
# [22:26] <sicking> unless we're proposing to change how fragment insertion through the DOM behaves?
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# [22:27] <sicking> and last I checked, google was willing to change their behavior
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# [22:28] <@smaug> sicking: was that some private hallway discussion ?
# [22:28] <@smaug> but we're violating the spec atm
# [22:28] <sicking> smaug: that was an in-person discussion yes.
# [22:28] <@smaug> and have a patch to not do so...
# [22:28] <sicking> smaug: have you asked to get the spec changed?
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# [22:29] <@smaug> I don't know how the spec should be changed
# [22:29] <@smaug> no one has proposed anything, afaik
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# [22:29] <@smaug> anything concrete
# [22:29] <sicking> i propose the spec defines to do what gecko does
# [22:29] <sicking> i.e. insert as fragments
# [22:29] <sicking> that's what it looks like we do to the outside world
# [22:29] <@smaug> I'm worried about exposing parser implementation details
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# [22:30] <sicking> it's impossible not to
# [22:30] <sicking> returning to the event loop happens in an implementation specific way
# [22:30] <sicking> stuff appear in the DOM in an implementation specific way
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# [22:30] <sicking> this is just changing how we construct the records for those mutations
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# [22:30] <@smaug> "just"
# [22:31] <@smaug> and to me that "just" is rather major thing
# [22:31] <sicking> sure, it's not a small change. But it's no more implementation specific than what we already do
# [22:31] <sicking> and what everyone else already does
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# [22:32] <@smaug> others create mutation records per spec during page load
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# [22:33] <sicking> smaug: i know
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# [22:33] <sicking> smaug: they still return to the event loop in an implementation specific way
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# [22:33] <sicking> smaug: so the set of mutations that you see is implementation specific
# [22:34] <@smaug> sure, but others have one record per node
# [22:34] <sicking> sure
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# [22:34] <@smaug> sets are different, but the union of all the sets should be the same
# [22:34] <sicking> sure
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# [22:35] <sicking> there's still implementation specific behavior in everyones implementation as it is.
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# [22:35] <sicking> so there's still a risk of bugs as things stand today
# [22:35] <sicking> not only are there implementation specific behavior
# [22:35] <sicking> there's also network specific behavior
# [22:35] <sicking> i bet you see different mutations on GSM networks than on wifi networks
# [22:36] <sicking> and you'll see different behavior depending on which part of the world you're viewing a website from
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# [22:36] <BenWa> I really wish we could associate file extensions with webapps
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# [22:36] <@smaug> sicking: sure, but those are about network packets and what not
# [22:37] <sicking> smaug: so?
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# [22:37] <sicking> smaug: my point is that i don't buy the "implementation specific" argument. There's no way to make things consistent here
# [22:37] <@smaug> but if we can have exactly defined final set of records, I'd rather have that
# [22:38] <@smaug> and not some random set of records
# [22:38] <@smaug> there is
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# [22:38] <sicking> it's not consitent
# [22:38] <@smaug> the final set of records can be non-implementation specific
# [22:38] <sicking> one aspect is more consistent
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# [22:38] <sicking> but it's not going to be consistent
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# [22:38] <sicking> no one looks at the final set of records
# [22:38] <sicking> you look at the records you get in each callback
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# [22:39] <sicking> never the union
# [22:39] <sicking> you could i guess. But I don't believe that anyone is
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# [22:39] <@smaug> I just like as exactly spec'ed behavior as possible
# [22:39] <@smaug> the less we have random stuff the better
# [22:40] <sicking> we can get the spec changed
# [22:40] <sicking> "the spec says so" is never a good argument
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# [22:40] <sicking> we should alwyas review specs and comment when they spec bad things
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# [22:41] <@smaug> and right now the spec isn't bad
# [22:41] <sicking> smaug: there's also the argument that having parser behave so different from the DOM is bad
# [22:41] <sicking> because people will write pages that react well to parser changes, but that fall over due to DOM mutations
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# [22:42] <sicking> that seems just as likely to create problems as differences between how we group fragments
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# [22:42] <sicking> differences between implementations that is
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# [22:44] <@smaug> don't see any argument there. If Foo is done badly, it doesn't mean also Bar needs to be done badly.
# [22:44] <DChen> jaws: ping
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# [22:45] <lsblakk> Waldo: looks like you've broken esr24
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# [22:45] <DChen> jaws: regarding 495593, is it possible to read the padding value from the css?
# [22:45] <jaws> DChen: yeah, using window.getComputedStyle
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# [22:47] <Waldo> lsblakk: yeah, I'm building/testing locally
# [22:47] <lsblakk> k
# [22:47] <lsblakk> making sure you were aware, lmandel seems to be out for a bit
# [22:47] <Waldo> and apparently try would have worked for esr24 :-\
# [22:47] <Waldo> yeah, he told me 30mins ago he was heading home and would check in from there
# [22:47] <Waldo> hopefully I'll have figured it out in 15mins when he returns :-\
# [22:47] <Waldo> woo build complete, at least
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# [22:49] <gandalf> smaug: so, this config: https://github.com/zbraniecki/l20n.js/blob/992473-mutationobserver/bindings/l20n/runtime.js#L14-L20 with MO on document will cover the whole document for all injections of nodes with data-l10n-id, right?
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# [22:49] <gandalf> and there's no way for me to filter out nodes without data-l10n-id without looping through what MO returns
# [22:49] <@smaug> gandalf: yes
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# [22:50] <gandalf> smaug: thanks
# [22:50] <sicking> smaug: Sort of. There's a high cost to doing things differently. Just because you can do something better doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do if it makes things different from everything else.
# [22:51] <sicking> smaug: bent will argue that adding cycle collector to workers was bad because workers used a better way to do memory management
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# [22:51] <sicking> smaug: i tend to agree with him. Except the fact that workers had different memory management than main thread was a pain in the ass
# [22:51] <sicking> smaug: so we now have made both workers and main thread do the arguably worse solution
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# [22:52] <@smaug> (workers didn't use a better way to do memory management)
# [22:52] <sicking> reasonable people can disagree on that
# [22:52] <@smaug> cc + gc is no worse
# [22:52] <sicking> the fact that it used JS-API was bad. But reusing the JS-GC was good
# [22:52] <@smaug> don't know why
# [22:53] <sicking> because we were able to ride on improvements in the JS-GC
# [22:53] <sicking> like generational and incemental GC came for free
# [22:53] <@smaug> max cc pauses have been lower than max gc times for ages
# [22:53] <mccr8> workers don't use GGC or IGC. ;)
# [22:54] <sicking> mccr8: i assume that they will eventually
# [22:54] <@smaug> nor ICC ;)
# [22:54] <mccr8> hmm maybe GGC
# [22:54] <mccr8> yes, but they are blocked on improvements to the JS runtime to support workers efficiently. so not entirely free. ;)
# [22:55] <sicking> smaug: i've heard you argue plenty of times that consistency is good. I don't believe that you've changed your mind on that?
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# [22:55] <@smaug> I haven't
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# [22:55] <@smaug> I don't see what inconsistency the spec'ed MO behavior brings in
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# [22:55] <sicking> the mutation records from the parser and from the DOM is currently very different
# [22:56] <@smaug> how?
# [22:56] <@smaug> oh, sure
# [22:56] <@smaug> in Gecko
# [22:56] <@smaug> but not in the spec
# [22:56] <sicking> no, in chrome
# [22:56] <sicking> in gecko they are consistent
# [22:56] <bz> er, really?
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# [22:57] <@smaug> no, we batch oddly
# [22:57] <sicking> in chrome the parser creates records where you never have to look at children of inserted nodes
# [22:57] <sicking> so you can write dramatically simpler scripts
# [22:57] <sicking> to handle those mutation records
# [22:57] <bz> that's correct per spec
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# [22:57] <bz> we have a bug
# [22:57] <sicking> sure
# [22:57] <sicking> i think the spec is bad
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# [22:57] <bz> why?
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# [22:58] <bz> (I mean, I might even agree, but I'd like to know why you think that.)
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# [22:58] <sicking> the spec is bad for perf, and it makes people think that they will get a mutation record for each inserted node
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# [22:58] * @smaug would like to see a real world use case where the spec behavior affects to perf significantly. loading html spec isn't really real world
# [22:59] <@smaug> sicking: you get a mutation record for each appendChild or insertBefore
# [22:59] <sicking> smaug: not if fragments are inserted
# [22:59] <@smaug> fragments are special
# [22:59] <sicking> smaug: and not if the inserted node has children
# [23:00] <@smaug> then you have added that children to the node already
# [23:00] <sicking> yup, which could have happened outside of the tree
# [23:00] <sicking> and so no mutation record was created
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# [23:01] <@smaug> I think it is simpler to think parser as a thing which creates root and starts building the tree from there, and not creating it from fragments
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# [23:02] <@smaug> so in that case elements which are added to the tree don't have child nodes
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# [23:02] <Waldo> lsblakk: making good progress understanding this, as an update
# [23:03] <lsblakk> right on
# [23:03] <sicking> bz: anyhow, that's why I don't think we should change, and that the spec should be changed instead. Chrome indicated that they'd be willing to change
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# [23:04] <Waldo> bz: I'm going to need you to review something in a second, fwiw, to unbust esr24 and not ship borken and/or exploitable stuff there, looks like
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# [23:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Waldo: well that's no fun
# [23:06] <Waldo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: gist of it is Codegen.py produces rather different code between b2g26 and esr24, in a way that breaks this
# [23:06] <Gijs> So... when window.closed is set, is there no guarantee the unload handlers have fired for that window's document?
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# [23:06] <@smaug> I think we should get rid of parser batching anyway, if possible. Simpler code is good (when complexity isn't needed to achieve good perf ). Batching was added mainly because of slow frame construction, and we don't have that particular issue anymore.
# [23:06] <Gijs> and if not (and that certainly seems to be the case), what /should/ I be checking in order to be sure the unload handlers have all been fired?
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# [23:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae6bd0223b53 - Brian Hackett - Bug 1018620 - Make sure RegExpShareds fetched from objects are in the right compartment, r=billm.
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# [23:08] <Waldo> or, actually
# [23:08] <Waldo> maybe I can fix this slightly differently
# [23:09] <Waldo> bz: still probably want you to review this in any event, if it checks out in this build I'm doing now
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# [23:11] <Waldo> lmandel: think I may almost have a fix, building to test now
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# [23:12] <Waldo> in case you hadn't seen scrollback
# [23:12] <Waldo> woo, *that* particular failure no longer occurs
# [23:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> sfink: do we have b2g hazard analysis builds running somewhere?
# [23:13] <gps> can someone please help me: https://ask.mozilla.org/question/743/streaming-a-nsichannel-to-a-nsioutputstream-off-the-main-thread/
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# [23:13] <lmandel> Waldo: Good news
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# [23:16] <Waldo> lmandel: okay, fairly confident this will fix everything, it all looks to be the same underlying issue
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# [23:18] <gandalf> smaug: with the change you're proposing, mutations from parser would always report elements and never fragments?
# [23:19] <lmandel> Waldo: Sounds good. Are/have you pushed this to try? I assume you'll need another uplift approval at some point.
# [23:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/0b5b627caf3a - Richard Newman - Bug 1017778 - Telemetry probe for home provider database errors. r=margaret
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# [23:20] <Waldo> lmandel: I haven't pushed to try, no, just building locally
# [23:21] <nemo> bz: in the mood to opinionate on CSS bugs? :)
# [23:21] <nemo> this one is even filed already!
# [23:21] <Waldo> bz: one last review in 991981 (he said, hopefully)
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# [23:21] <Waldo> lmandel: my basic assumption was if the fix was simple enough it'd be treated as a bustage fix not requiring approval particularly
# [23:22] <Waldo> on better-to-beg-forgiveness sorts of theories
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# [23:22] <lmandel> Waldo: As long as this is simple that's OK with me.
# [23:22] <Waldo> should be that simple, yeah
# [23:22] <Waldo> an extra set of DOM eyes just in case, tho, since bindings are kind of complicated, seems worth it
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# [23:23] <@smaug> gandalf: fragments are never reported
# [23:23] * Waldo looks at blame to see if anyone else can double-check this quickly
# [23:23] <@smaug> gandalf: but per spec there should be a mutation record per each node in the tree during parsing
# [23:23] <gandalf> so, if I register MO during page load and the page has <div><b></b></div> will it be reported as two addedNodes instead of one DOMFragment?
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# [23:24] <@smaug> Gecko batches parsing, so that you get just records for some subtree roots
# [23:24] <@smaug> and you need to go through their child nodes
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# [23:24] <gandalf> mhm
# [23:24] <@smaug> gandalf: you shouldn't see document fragment ever in .addedNodes
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# [23:24] <Waldo> peterv: you around at all (probably no) for a Codegen.py review *now*?
# [23:25] <@smaug> gandalf: currently you may get div in the addedNodes and it has <b> as a child
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# [23:25] <@smaug> or you may get <div> and <b>
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# [23:25] <gps> froydnj, gavin: https://ask.mozilla.org/question/743/streaming-a-nsichannel-to-a-nsioutputstream-off-the-main-thread/
# [23:25] <gps> still trying to figure this out
# [23:25] <@smaug> per spec you should always get a record for <div> and <b>
# [23:25] <gandalf> smaug: ok. by DOMFragment I meant one addedNode <div> with a child <b>
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# [23:25] <gandalf> vs. two addedNodes - one for <div> and one for <b> separately
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# [23:26] <gandalf> I'm just a bit worried that if I'll get two addedNodes, <div> *with* childNodes and <b> separately then I'll translate <b> twice
# [23:26] <@smaug> you may get that already
# [23:26] <@smaug> since mutation observer callback runs afterwards
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# [23:27] <@smaug> so at the moment when the callback is called, the <div> which didn't originally have a child may now have a child
# [23:27] <sfink> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I'm still working on automating them for b2g. In the meantime, I'm running them locally. (2 hazards currently, after the other patch I landed with the enabling. Both hazards are trivial false positives. I'll probably wait to fix them until I can see them turn an automated hazard analysis green.)
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# [23:28] <Waldo> or, smaug: any chance you could take the super-quick review in bug 991981? looks like you reviewed RootedTypedArray
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# [23:28] <@smaug> looking..
# [23:29] <@smaug> Waldo: esr24 one ?
# [23:29] <Waldo> smaug: yes, the one on bz right now
# [23:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/333ad108d63d - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 1017680 - Allow progressing painting for any 2D layer. r=Cwiiis
# [23:29] <Waldo> attachment 8432780
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# [23:32] <@smaug> Waldo: that is on top of some other patch?
# [23:32] <Waldo> smaug: that's atop the very latest tippy-top esr24
# [23:32] <Waldo> smaug: particularly atop https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr24/rev/8c406adf76a0
# [23:32] <@smaug> hmm, mxr isn't the up-to-date
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# [23:33] <@smaug> s/the/then/
# [23:33] <Waldo> smaug: that landed about 3h ago
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# [23:35] <@smaug> and now I need to understand what UnwrapArray does
# [23:35] <Waldo> smaug: extracts out the actual object from a proxy, if necessary
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# [23:36] <Waldo> smaug: jstypedarray.cpp, js::Unwrap* and all
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# [23:36] <Waldo> and of course returns null if the object wasn't actually the requested thing, or if it was a proxy to something that wasn't the requested thing
# [23:36] <@smaug> Waldo: I think bz should look at this. (I'm not quite happy with that Init)
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# [23:37] <Waldo> feh
# [23:37] <@smaug> sorry
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# [23:37] <Waldo> given he reviewed the relevant portions of the tip patch he was going to be ideal, but he's dunno where exactly atm
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# [23:38] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> he's in TOR, isn't he?
# [23:38] <@smaug> Waldo: bz might remember the bug which changed the Init handling in codegen
# [23:38] <@smaug> (or you could check if that change was something trivial we should take to esr24)
# [23:38] <Waldo> smaug: bug 868799
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# [23:38] <Waldo> almost certainly, going from filelog
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# [23:39] <Waldo> changing Codegen.py is fairly clearly a worse change to take, I think
# [23:39] <@smaug> aha, I reviewed that one :)
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# [23:39] <Waldo> yeah, hence why I poked you just now
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# [23:39] <@smaug> Waldo: still, bz please
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# [23:39] <Waldo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: no idea, maybe
# [23:40] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Waldo: hopefully they haven't taken off doing fun stuff already
# [23:40] <Waldo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah, that's a worry
# [23:40] <Waldo> getting very tempting to push in advance of review, and treat green light as adequate verification :-\
# [23:41] <Waldo> maybe #toronto can flag him or so
# [23:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's a tough call
# [23:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ef52ec5569d - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 980178 - Clean up context loss handling code. - r=kamidphish
# [23:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lmandel: when are we looking to tag esr24 for the next release?
# [23:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/325caa2c0279 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 980178 - Hold a strong ref to the WebGLContext in the task. - r=kamidphish
# [23:42] <Waldo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: a couple hours ago when that push went green
# [23:42] <Waldo> or so I assume
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# [23:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> hrm, I thought we had more time on esr
# [23:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> beta -> release is the one that really needs to be today
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# [23:42] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Go to build 1 is going out when Waldo is done with a fix he has to push.
# [23:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f5e67f73ee03 - Hannes Verschore - Bug 1019224 - Fix tracelogger builds, r=bhackett
# [23:42] <Waldo> beta -> release happened cleanly
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# [23:43] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I don't have any other bugs queued up for this ESR cycle.
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# [23:43] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> how bad would it be if it waited until first thing tomorrow am?
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# [23:44] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I don't know of a reason to rush. Ping lsblakk for comment though as she has more experience here.
# [23:44] <Waldo> welp, might as well kick off try in the meantime :-\
# [23:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lmandel: Waldo: since it seems are options are shaping up to be either waiting until tomorrow for bz to take a look now or to push to esr24 without r+ and hope for the best
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# [23:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lsblakk ^
# [23:45] <lsblakk> lmandel: no reason to rush it - you can go tomorrow morning your time
# [23:45] <lmandel> I'd rather not hope for the best.
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# [23:45] <Waldo> okay, then
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# [23:45] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty, Waldo: What lsblakk said. Let's wait until tomorrow and be safe.
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# [23:46] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Waldo: lmandel: k, I'll close esr24 for safekeeping for now :)
# [23:46] <Waldo> hopefully bz will get back and I can push today, so tomorrow is go
# [23:46] <lmandel> RyanVM|sheriffduty: OK
# [23:46] <lmandel> Waldo: Thanks again.
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# [23:46] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Waldo: do you have treestatus access?
# [23:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> waldo: appears not
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# [23:47] <Waldo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: whether I do or not is irrelevant if I don't know how to use it :-)
# [23:47] <Waldo> or where it exists, etc.
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# [23:47] <Waldo> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f7570bfe9e06 for the try run
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# [23:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/5d9621220437 - Wes Johnston - Bug 1015421 - Don't queue up ButtonToasts. r=margaret
# [23:48] <Waldo> probably overgenerous on the requested builds, can always cancel once enough confirmation is in
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# [23:52] <Waldo> a certain bravo zulu has been successfully summoned! review to happen soon, all signs suggest
# [23:52] <vlad> dmajor: pong-ish
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# [23:52] <dmajor> vlad: are you still leading the win64 test fixing?
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# [23:53] <vlad> no
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# [23:53] <vlad> it's being worked on to turn it into an actual firefox team project
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# [23:54] <dmajor> vlad: I've been asked to help, who should I ping with questions?
# [23:55] <vlad> dmajor: ah!
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# [23:55] <vlad> dmajor: I think you've been tasked with basically doing it :)
# [23:55] <dmajor> fuuuu
# [23:55] <Waldo> heh
# [23:56] <jgilbert> hah, rough
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# [23:56] <vlad> dmajor: myself and ehsan can provide some guidance.. but there were failures in update service that rstrong knew about
# [23:56] <vlad> and Ithink those all got fixed
# [23:56] <vlad> the remaining failures, when running on physical hardware, were iirc minor
# [23:56] <jimm> doesn't that work include the slave offloading to amazon?
# [23:56] <dmajor> vlad: so for starters, are there any remaining that I can repro locally? or are they specific to the automation?
# [23:57] <vlad> dmajor: basically, where I would start is talk to taras and catlee to figure uot which branch has win64 test machines up (physical machines, not VMs), push a run, see what fails
# [23:57] <vlad> I honestly don't remember. When I was last fully involved in it, I was trying to get things working in a VM
# [23:58] <vlad> which had a bunch of virtual-GPU related issues (none fatal or hard, just things that had to be marked as fuzzy etc.)
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# [23:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38d3a91774e2 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 05ddfd9f4f09 (bug 815002) for hitting bug 1017634 again.
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# [23:59] <dmajor> vlad: alright, thanks
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# [23:59] <vlad> arrgrghghghg.... can I somehow tell NSS to just screw off? I don't ever want to see "make private_export" "There are no private exports"
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