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1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 07 00:00:01 2014
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <drno> that’s what I expected when I saw your edits :)
4. # [00:00] <drno> but anyway I don’t really care that much
5. # [00:00] <RyanVM> I guess I settled on keeping them because it makes it a bit easier at a glance to see that the two are tied together
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7. # [00:00] <RyanVM> (B2G debug)
8. # [00:00] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6502442e6133 - Wes Kocher - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 1021312, bug 1020460) for apparently causing jsreftest orange on a CLOSED TREE
9. # [00:01] <squib> have there been any changes to how javascript objects are passed between different contexts in the past day or so?
10. # [00:01] <RyanVM> drno: but I'm happy to remove them if you prefer, your opinion is more relevant than mine
11. # [00:01] <RyanVM> KWierso: err, the xpcshell change could have stayed....
12. # [00:01] <RyanVM> KWierso: please re-land that
13. # [00:01] <RyanVM> it affects an aurora uplift
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16. # [00:02] <drno> RyanVM: makes sense. But as I said I don’t really care that much. We have bigger fish to fry ;)
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18. # [00:02] <RyanVM> drno: yeah, hopefully they all go away in a couple weeks' time anyway ;)
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20. # [00:03] <RyanVM> btw, did you see jwwang's investigation showing huge gc times on b2g debug?
21. # [00:03] <RyanVM> ~10s IIRC?
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24. # [00:03] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/a5967705754e - Bobby Holley - Bug 1021312 - Wrap strings in CloneNonReflectors. r=mccr8, a=sledru
25. # [00:03] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/68ee1d33fc83 - Bobby Holley - Bug 1021312 - Use a fresh zone for xpcshell. r=mccr8, a=sledru
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27. # [00:03] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/b982a8afab52 - Bobby Holley - Bug 1021312 - Tests. r=mccr8, a=sledru
28. # [00:04] <drno> RyanVM: no I did not. where?
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34. # [00:06] <dholbert> bz, sgbowen is working on CSS Ruby implementation, and we're mapping out how to do frame construction to start out. Could we pick your brain about some frame construction stuff either today or on Monday (or some other time soon)?
35. # [00:06] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c0f0a8689dab - Bobby Holley - Bug 1021312 - Followup to fix incorrect test. r=me on a CLOSED TREE
36. # [00:07] <dholbert> bz, tl;dr, the outermost box is inline-level, and then there are several layers of helper-boxes inside of that, whose layout is defined by ruby
37. # [00:07] <RyanVM> firebot: bug 1012516
38. # [00:07] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012516 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, SpecialPowers.exactGC is very slow in content/media/test/manifest.js
39. # [00:07] <RyanVM> drno ^
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48. # [00:10] <drno> RyanVM: thanks a lot
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51. # [00:13] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/919000ed913e - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 4 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
52. # [00:13] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/f12611101467 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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54. # [00:13] <RyanVM|afk> drno: yw :)
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77. # [00:29] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/52204412c79b - Marcos Caceres - Bug 1009688 - Check that Cc["@mozilla.org/wifi/monitor;1"] returns an object before it is used; r=jdm
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82. # [00:31] <seth> so is it me or should cp and the like support file:// urls?
83. # [00:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/abdb3afb7208 - Benoit Girard - Bug 1014815 - Add a delay stage for webgl on b2g to let frame resolve. r=jgilbert
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101. # [00:38] <walter> Does anyone know how the html <img> element works? What does "img.width *= 2;" accomplish (in the FF C++ code)? From what I can tell the underlying image is still the original size after that
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109. # [00:40] <seth> walter: what type is "img"?
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114. # [00:41] <walter> seth: in this test it's loading an SVG
115. # [00:41] <seth> walter: maybe a better way to ask the same question: *where* in the code are you trying to do this?
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118. # [00:41] <seth> walter: i meant the C++ type
119. # [00:42] <walter> seth: So I'm trying to track down a webgl conformance issue and in their test code they do "img.width *= 2;" and then reupload the texture. But in the texture upload code it's still the original size
120. # [00:42] <walter> seth: The class appears to be HTMLImageElement
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122. # [00:42] <seth> walter: ahh i see, i misread your original question. you're asking what "img.width *= 2" in *javascript* does on the C++ side, right?
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124. # [00:42] <walter> seth: yeah, sorry
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127. # [00:43] <seth> walter: well, you've answered the first part yourself. it does map to HTMLImageElement
128. # [00:44] <walter> seth: Right, but I guess I'm unclear how width, which is an attribute? works into this. And it seems like the underlying picture is kept untouched and only rendered a different size?
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130. # [00:44] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/63e728e2fe1c - Jim Chen - Bug 1013326 - Change js::RunScript to a JS pseudostack entry; r=djvj
131. # [00:44] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d904bd0d1cb5 - Jim Chen - Bug 1013326 - Move script principals APIs to jsfriendapi; r=luke
132. # [00:44] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/627405647ed0 - Jim Chen - Bug 1013326 - Distinguish chrome and content scripts in pseudostack; r=snorp
133. # [00:45] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e19217a1042 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 1021969, r=bholley,jaws
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136. # [00:46] <seth> walter: well, to get a detailed understanding of how the attribute setting code works you could try setting a breakpoint in HTMLImageElement::SetAttr. (it will eventually boil down to calling HTMLImageElement::SetWidth) but i suspect what you really care about is the behavior
137. # [00:47] <seth> walter: and the behavior you describe is what i'd expect
138. # [00:47] <seth> walter: what do you expect to happen?
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144. # [00:47] <walter> seth: Yeah, I really have no idea how the dom stuff works. I'm just trying to figure out if something fancier needs to happen in webgl (which seems likely) vs. something outside webgl
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146. # [00:48] <walter> seth: As if they change the image size, I would have to actually make a bigger picture for the GPU
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149. # [00:49] <walter> seth: I just wasn't sure if that was already happening
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152. # [00:50] <seth> walter: no, in the normal CSS drawing pathways we don't do that (for one thing, we could end up with a width that's a non-integer number of pixels, which is kinda hard to bake into a texture)
153. # [00:50] <walter> seth: yeah, it certainly makes more sense that way
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155. # [00:51] <seth> walter: well, i should qualify myself. we don't do that in an externally controllable way. the image may internally decide to scale itself using a high-quality scaling algorithm and store that texture to be used if the same size is requested again, but you have no way of controlling that externally
156. # [00:51] <walter> seth: ah, so this may be more complicated
157. # [00:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6cb512f1119 - Markus Stange - Bug 944938 - Add event structs and APZ event handling for pan gesture events that can be used for Mac touchpad scrolling. r=kats
158. # [00:51] <seth> walter: it would only do that in cases that are "reasonable" (scale not too extreme, we end up with an integer number of pixels, etc.)
159. # [00:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7eda6c9105c2 - Markus Stange - Bug 944938 - Add a 10.6 compatibility wrapper for event phases. r=smichaud
160. # [00:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cde19559da0f - Markus Stange - Bug 944938 - Add a 10.6 compatibility wrapper for hasPreciseScrollingDeltas and scrollingDeltaX/Y. r=smichaud
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162. # [00:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2dd8b0d9fc44 - Markus Stange - Bug 944938 - Pass scroll events to the APZC tree manager on the async event thread. r=smichaud
163. # [00:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec4f84a6cc5a - Markus Stange - Bug 944938 - Install the event tap only for wheel events. r=smichaud
164. # [00:52] <jesup> mccr8: ping
165. # [00:52] <mccr8> jesup: pong
166. # [00:52] <seth> walter: i don't think so unless you are trying to avoid copying the image
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168. # [00:52] <seth> walter: which i wouldn't bother doing
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170. # [00:52] <jesup> Hey, where do we stand with the audio buffer leak patch?
171. # [00:53] <jesup> I presumed you were looking at it earlier
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173. # [00:53] <seth> walter: even if the image HQ scales itself internally, it still keeps around the original texture, and that's necessary
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175. # [00:53] <mccr8> jesup: yeah I r+ed it. I haven't actually checked if it solves the leak in LSAN.
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177. # [00:53] <seth> walter: so copying is the normal way we do this stuff
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180. # [00:54] <jesup> mccr8: thanks! hadn't noticed the r+
181. # [00:54] <walter> seth: ah, so now I think the only thing I really need to change the code to use the width attribute vs the actual image (and copy+scale if necessary)
182. # [00:54] <mccr8> np
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185. # [00:55] <seth> walter: yeah, that's pretty much it. if scaling is required, you can create a new texture of the required size and draw the image into that texture. the drawing code will do the right thing
186. # [00:56] <seth> walter: the only tricky thing here is that you need to manage the lifetime of that texture in some way
187. # [00:56] <walter> seth: Well, I think webGL will handle that
188. # [00:56] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c2881dc6141 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 1018449: Don't opportunistically stretch flex items to container's cross-size if the container is multi-line. r=mats
189. # [00:57] <seth> walter: could be. i know about the image stuff but i know nothing about the webgl part =)
190. # [00:57] * ehsan_ shakes his fist at dholbert for winning the push race
191. # [00:57] <dholbert> \o/
192. # [00:57] * dholbert dusts off running shoes
193. # [00:57] * ehsan_ sneaks up on dholbert
194. # [00:57] <dholbert> impossible
195. # [00:57] <ehsan_> done
196. # [00:57] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f5232023af37 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 1021494 - Fix a compiler error with clang-cl in nsScriptableInputStream.cpp; r=froydnj
197. # [00:57] <ehsan_> :P
198. # [00:58] * froydnj curses stupid nonsensical compiler alignment rules
199. # [00:58] <walter> seth: Ha, well I'm not expert either. The next thing I have to learn is the surfaces. Which may be my problem? Maybe SurfaceFromElement() and SurfaceFromElementResultToImageSurface() should be auto-scaling an img element?
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201. # [00:59] <walter> seth: more digging!
202. # [00:59] <walter> seth: thank you for your help!
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211. # [01:02] <gps> rhelmer: y u send broadcast message on people?
212. # [01:02] <rhelmer> gps: I didn't start it!
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215. # [01:02] <gps> my irssi appears to be swallowing the message
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218. # [01:03] <gps> i'm surprised non-root users can do that
219. # [01:03] <rhelmer> gps: yeah if you ctrl-l it should go away
220. # [01:03] <seth> walter: sure. (and it's possible you're right about SurfaceFromElement, but better check what other callers, such as canvas, need)
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222. # [01:04] <KWierso> Gijs: bustage
223. # [01:04] <Gijs> KWierso: yes, already looking.
224. # [01:04] <Gijs> KWierso: this should be easy to fix, in theory
225. # [01:04] <KWierso> Gijs: just closed the tree, so push CLOSED TREE :)
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233. # [01:11] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/115ea0cc4b22 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 1021969 - fix bustage on a CLOSED TREE rs=firebot
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236. # [01:12] <Gijs> KWierso: done. I'm 99.99% certain this will fix it (reproduced warning after altering mozconfig, changed code, verified it goes away when recompiling), but it's now midnight here, so I'm going to be out soon - please back me out if there's more of the same. :(
237. # [01:13] <KWierso> Gijs: can do
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274. # [01:28] <seth> why are there two different firefox os logos when you boot a phone?
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277. # [01:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/7331dd991a5c - Richard Newman - Bug 1021443 - java.lang.IllegalStateException: Already registered Webapps:Postinstall under a different type. r=jchen
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288. # [01:44] <ckitching> Are there any known reasons why using hgwatchman with mozilla-central is a bad idea?
289. # [01:45] <ckitching> ie. Am I about to have a bad day having turned it on?
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293. # [01:46] <gps> ckitching: no. use it
294. # [01:46] <gps> ckitching: hgwatchman was created with large repos in mind
295. # [01:46] <ckitching> gps: Shouldn't that be added to a wiki somewhere for newcomers, then?
296. # [01:47] <gps> probably. the mercurial docs are horribly out of date
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298. # [01:47] <ehsan_> gps: can we assume bash in configure.in?
299. # [01:47] <gps> ehsan_: yes
300. # [01:47] <ehsan_> \o/
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302. # [01:47] * ckitching uses zsh. Oh dear. :P
303. # [01:48] <gps> ehsan_: sorry - just sh
304. # [01:48] <gps> which is frequently bash in limited mode these days
305. # [01:48] <gps> ehsan_: specifically, we do /bin/sh
306. # [01:49] <ehsan_> :((
307. # [01:49] <ehsan_> gps: if I have a four letter string, how do I extract the first two chars?
308. # [01:49] <ehsan_> in bash ot
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310. # [01:49] <ehsan_> *it'd be "${var:0:2}"
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313. # [01:50] <ehsan_> I guess I can throw some perl at the problem
314. # [01:50] <ckitching> That seems annoyingly overkill.
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316. # [01:51] <ehsan_> ckitching: welcome to the build system ;)
317. # [01:51] <gps> ehsan_: i'm not a shell expert
318. # [01:52] <glandium> ehsan_: what are you trying to do?
319. # [01:52] <gps> i sadly don't event know string manipulation in shell
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321. # [01:52] <ehsan_> perl doesn't work :(
322. # [01:52] <gps> cut
323. # [01:52] <ehsan_> glandium: I have 1700, trying to get to 17
324. # [01:52] <ckitching> Oh, yes, `cut -d '' -f 0-2`
325. # [01:52] <ehsan_> oh that'd work
326. # [01:52] <glandium> cut -c 1-2
327. # [01:52] <ckitching> How did I forget cut.
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331. # [01:53] <gps> ckitching: because you are accustomed to languages that have nice things
332. # [01:53] <ehsan_> \o/
333. # [01:53] <ehsan_> glandium: ta
334. # [01:53] <glandium> ehsan_: but depending how you use that, you may not need it
335. # [01:53] <ckitching> gps: I'm accustomed to a language that sometimes takes 21 bytecode instructions to implement "++". :P
336. # [01:53] <ehsan_> glandium: ?
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338. # [01:54] <ehsan_> I roughly have MAJOR=`echo ${CC_VERSION} | cut -c 1-2`
339. # [01:54] <ehsan_> similar for minor version
340. # [01:54] <glandium> ehsan_: if the only use of that is something like test `echo $foo | cut -c 1-2` = 17, you can also write test $foo -ge 1700 -a $foo -lt 1800
341. # [01:55] <ehsan_> glandium: that is not the only use
342. # [01:55] <ehsan_> we also compare major versions of CC and CXX (!)
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345. # [02:00] <ehsan_> glandium: got a new patch for you!
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431. # [02:55] <nbp> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/src/malloc/prmalloc.c#38
432. # [02:55] <nbp> is that free as free beer?
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502. # [03:43] <tn> looks like the bustage on inbound is fixed, we should be able to re-open
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533. # [04:08] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/299ed3d227d4 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 1022033 - Disable NS_lroundup30 on clang-cl; r=jrmuizel
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535. # [04:10] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e2714481c419 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 1022043 - Remove EventStates' copy constructor and assignment operator to make it trivially copyable so that it builds with clang-cl; r=bzbarsky
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549. # [04:22] <@bz> Given a crash report like https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/26a13819-e135-4d66-aefc-a53922140531
550. # [04:22] <@bz> Can I find the actual hg changeset id?
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553. # [04:24] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/397d00aa598f - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 1002992. Part 1. Don't bother to do text-overflow clipping when building display lists for image visibility. r=mats
554. # [04:24] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fabb6ff29cd - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 1002992. Part 2. Handle display ports and ignore viewport scrolling for image visibility display lists the same way we do for painting display lists. r=mats
555. # [04:25] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a95c4223dba7 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 1002992. Part 3. Don't build the caret when building a display list for image visibility. r=mats
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558. # [04:25] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3254fa7b1c51 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 1002992. Part 4. Factor out the code that gets the presshell to use for painting of subdocuments. r=mats
559. # [04:25] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce548c7d8fa2 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 1002992. Part 5. Use a custom frame tree walker to find visible and almost visible images instead of using the heavier weight display list infrastructure. r=mats
560. # [04:25] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47fcf180a0b9 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 1002992. Part 6. Rename ExpandRect to ExpandToNearlyVisibleRect. r=addressingreviewcomment
561. # [04:25] <tn> bz, the source links in the stack contain a changeset id. not sure where it comes form
562. # [04:26] <@bz> tn: ah, good point
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564. # [04:26] <@bz> That's good enough for me. ;)
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938. # [12:20] <jez> Why doesn't this documentation list anything about events that may be generated by the dialog, like onload?: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XUL/dialog
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945. # [12:32] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8de97fc223d2 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 973238 Part 4 -- Use prototype rather than reserved slot to uncover descriptor r=jandem
946. # [12:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/89bd60c2a4df - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 973238 Part 5 -- Remove private field from StructTypeDescr, which is unused r=sfink
947. # [12:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4903226b4f2f - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 973238 Part 6 -- Consult prototype rather than typed object addendum r=bhackett
948. # [12:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e9ea2740183 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 973238 Part 7 -- Remove type object addendum; leave the addendum mechanism in place r=bhackett
949. # [12:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/880fd861075f - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 973238 Part 8 -- Remove dead code (FillTypedArrayWithValue) r=sfink
950. # [12:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/731411eebd0a - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 973238 Part 9 -- Move kind to `type` namespace, insert some const qualifiers r=sfink
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1003. # [13:52] <jesup> Grrrr. Either I picked a bad time to grab inbound yesterday, or the JS team has been messing with gdb/exceptions again: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. js::SPSInstrumentation<js::jit::MacroAssembler, js::jit::Register>::leave (...) at /home/jesup/src/mozilla/asan-inbound/js/src/vm/SPSProfiler.h:448 if (enabled() && frame->script && frame->left++ == 0) {
1004. # [13:53] <jesup> Or perhaps more likely, it's the SPS profiler. Disabling...
1005. # [13:54] <padenot> jesup: so, I've been making some progress regarding making the tests green
1006. # [13:54] <jesup> padenot: great! what's left?
1007. # [13:55] <padenot> so, apparently, there is something wrong with the way I use WASAPI (windows vista+ low latency audio api)
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1009. # [13:56] <padenot> everything passes fine on my local machine
1010. # [13:56] <padenot> but stream creation fails on try
1011. # [13:56] <padenot> I'm currently enabling cubeb logs and pushing again
1012. # [13:56] <padenot> b2g desktop is fixed, it was a mismatch in alsa cubeb backend behavior compared to all the other backend
1013. # [13:57] <padenot> osx 10.8 is green (locally and try), linux is green (locally and try), winxp is green (don't have a local machine, but green on try)
1014. # [13:58] <padenot> that lefts osx 10.6 (I don't have a machine, so I'm debugging on try) and a little UAF on asan Linux, but I think I might know what's up with that
1015. # [13:59] <padenot> ha, this is #developers, sorry
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1028. # [14:22] <jez> Why doesn't this documentation list anything about events that may be generated by the dialog, like onload?: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XUL/dialog
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1050. # [15:02] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b68a8421c642 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 1021209 - Make QuoteString support Latin1 strings. r=bhackett
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1129. # [16:25] <@ehsan> I guess it's time for some backouts on inbound
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1131. # [16:26] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33ff7ab025d1 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset abdb3afb7208 (bug 1014815) for B2G reftest failures.
1132. # [16:26] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6932ea846a28 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 3 changesets (bug 1021114, bug 988486) for GC crashes on a CLOSED TREE.
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1134. # [16:26] <@ehsan> \o/
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1142. # [16:31] <bjacob> ehsan: do you know how i can run xpcshell self-tests like http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/xpcshell/selftest.py#364
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1146. # [16:32] <@ehsan> bjacob: make check in that dir
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1148. # [16:32] <@ehsan> bjacob: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/rules.mk#146
1149. # [16:32] <bjacob> ehsan: thanks!
1150. # [16:32] <@ehsan> np
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1155. # [16:33] <bjacob> ehsan: can i attach GDB automatically to the xpcshells started there ?
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1157. # [16:34] <@ehsan> bjacob: I don't think so... you need to copy the command from the make output and run it under gdb manually
1158. # [16:34] <bjacob> ehsan: ok thanks
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1208. # [17:30] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d64d17b8967 - Ryan VanderMeulen - No bug - Re-enable some media mochitests that no longer fail and disable a couple that fail frequently.
1209. # [17:30] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/932fa3b9e974 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 1019315 - Disable test_viewsource_forbidden_in_iframe.xul on all platforms for frequent intermittent failures.
1210. # [17:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99167e1d9ec5 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 953208 - Disable test_tcpserversocket.js on OSX for frequent failures.
1211. # [17:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b924bbee94d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 891840 - Disable test_pixel_lengths.html on all platforms for intermittent crashes.
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1217. # [17:34] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e62ac37ca662 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 984274 - Disable test_sandbox_permission.html for frequent failures on a CLOSED TREE.
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1219. # [17:39] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2ff4cebbcd43 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 88a641ee5cbe (bug 1007057) for frequent test timeouts.
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1221. # [17:41] <Optimizer> isn't 32 bit Firefox supposed to go only till 2gb memory on windows 7 64 bit ?
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1223. # [17:41] <padenot> 4GB
1224. # [17:42] <padenot> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wz223b1z.aspx
1225. # [17:44] <Optimizer> yeah, i just saw it go 4 gb
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1472. # [21:21] * @smaug needs to get better with feedbacks.
1473. # [21:21] <@smaug> currently f? and ni? are guaranteed to be processed slower than r?
1474. # [21:22] <@smaug> not that I quite understand the reason for f?
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1479. # [21:27] <froydnj> smaug: I think of f? as "I don't completely understand this bug; is this patch going in the right direction?"
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1481. # [21:31] <sfink> I think they're both pretty general, and get used for various things
1482. # [21:31] <sfink> f? is a patch-specific ni?
1483. # [21:31] <sfink> and I agree with froydnj
1484. # [21:32] <@smaug> hmm, right
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1487. # [21:32] <sfink> I normally use it for "I have this patch, but if I asked for r? right now I'm afraid you'd spit in my coffee because I'm not sure whether this even makes sense"
1488. # [21:32] <@smaug> I guess I'm just bad at prioritizing various queues
1489. # [21:33] <sfink> yeah, I keep my r? queue clear as much as I can, and tend to ignore ni?
1490. # [21:33] <sfink> or rather, answer the easy ones and forever procrastinate on the rest
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1495. # [21:36] <sfink> f? will work for me too. I tend to be pretty good about those. And I've done exactly what you describe -- I've submitted a totally uncompilable pseudocode patch and requested f? on it
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1544. # [22:18] <jesup> smaug: ping
1545. # [22:18] <@smaug> jesup: pong
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1547. # [22:20] * @smaug isn't sure if those dictionaries can be used by content
1548. # [22:20] <@smaug> in webrtc
1549. # [22:20] <jesup> smaug: jib put up a patch (ok, two alternate patches) earlier; I un-obsoleted the earlier one (discussion as to why is in the bug/r? to you)
1550. # [22:20] <jesup> Ah, I see you're looking
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1553. # [22:21] <@smaug> jesup: oh wait, what should I look at
1554. # [22:21] <@smaug> there are two patches called Part 3
1555. # [22:22] <jesup> I'd prefer the earlier patch3
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1557. # [22:22] <@smaug> so are those dictionaries exposed to web content?
1558. # [22:22] * jesup 's Fedora system is locking every minute for 30 seconds.... argh (not browser, system - lots of "migration/etc" processes)
1559. # [22:23] <jesup> The're used for the stats calls on mozRTCPeerConnection (also used to build about:webrtc)
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1562. # [22:24] <@smaug> jesup: and the stats calls are exposed to web?
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1565. # [22:25] <@smaug> why we need moz prefix in those dictionaries ?
1566. # [22:25] <jesup> stats API is very much in flux but also being used. yes, the stats calls are used by apps today to report things, and they desparately want framerate/bitrate etc. We're hoping to finish the MediaCapture and WebRTC 1.0 specs by the end of the year; stats and constraints are the most in flux still
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1569. # [22:26] <@smaug> but if mozRTCPeerConnection itself is prefixed, why do those dictionaries need prefixes too
1570. # [22:26] <jesup> Right now stuff that's in the spec is plain, stuff not in is goog* (lots and lots of them) or moz* (a smaller number; we're just starting to really dig into stats and try to come to agreement on them.
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1573. # [22:27] <jesup> smaug: in theory they don't need to be. We could strip the moz*; it does serve to warn devs these may change (more than the ones already agreed to)
1574. # [22:27] <@smaug> jesup: well, in general we are trying hard to get rid of all the prefixes
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1576. # [22:28] <@smaug> since they have failed
1577. # [22:28] <@smaug> to be useful
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1579. # [22:28] <jesup> I'd be ok landing them without moz*; it's just so far neither we nor google have put non-standard stats in without it.
1580. # [22:28] <@smaug> aha
1581. # [22:28] <jesup> Yes, I know the arguments - though I'll also note webrtc was explicitly exempted when we agreed to move away from prefixes (along with webgl)
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1585. # [22:31] <jesup> We discussed it a bit in #content earlier. google for example has dozens of goog* stats (they have over a dozen just for delay)
1586. # [22:31] <jesup> but yes, we're trying to get away from them
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1588. # [22:32] <@smaug> google doing bad job with prefixes isn't necessarily a good argument ;)
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1592. # [22:32] <@smaug> jesup: what is the reason to expose some very unstable API to web ?
1593. # [22:32] <jesup> it's just very tricky to do in WebRTC given the launch-under-development aspect.
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1596. # [22:33] <jesup> first these are only really used for reporting and monitoring of performance
1597. # [22:33] <jesup> so an app can dump all the stats up for later analysis by a human if there's a problem
1598. # [22:33] <@smaug> my guess is that prefixes won't help here at all. people will just use mozFooBar || blinkFooBar
1599. # [22:33] <jesup> instead of playing 100 questions with a user
1600. # [22:34] <@smaug> fooBar || mozFooBar || blinkFooBar
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1602. # [22:34] <jesup> smaug: generally there's no overlap between our fooBar's
1603. # [22:34] <@smaug> hmm
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1605. # [22:34] <@smaug> now I'm lost
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1607. # [22:34] <@smaug> we want to expose some thing on dictionary which blink won't implement ?
1608. # [22:35] <jesup> they're browser-specific stats generally; if we agree one is useful we put it int he standard. (once we agree on the definition, which often changes from what one of us proposed.)
1609. # [22:35] <jgraham> Why are we shipping things that we don't expect to be standardised?
1610. # [22:35] <@smaug> (with different prefix or without prefix)
1611. # [22:35] <jesup> a) we use it internally to implement things like about:webrtc
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1613. # [22:35] <@smaug> I can understand internal stuff
1614. # [22:35] <@smaug> exposed to chromeonly callers or such
1615. # [22:36] <jesup> b) stats are often dumped for developers to figure out why a user's call didn't work
1616. # [22:36] <jesup> i.e. it creates a structured blob. In some cases, the app will display status to the user (but generally doesn't key on most of the values, just display). Think status display in Vidyo
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1619. # [22:37] <jgraham> Well if the data isn't being used, shipping fooBar seems better
1620. # [22:38] <jgraham> If people start to depend on the precise definition of fooBar you have to standardise that
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1622. # [22:38] <@smaug> yeah, I don't see any reason for moz prefix
1623. # [22:38] <jgraham> If they don't you are free to change it even without a prefix
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1625. # [22:38] <@smaug> right
1626. # [22:39] <jesup> we can. that's part of why we want to spec anything people depend on. We can go prefixless; it just increases the chance of namespace pollution - but we are behind mozRTCPeerConnection for now.
1627. # [22:39] <jesup> it does open the question that we *are* going to hoz moz-specific things we want to be part of the stats blob, and that only apply to us
1628. # [22:39] <jesup> because they're tied to the impl
1629. # [22:39] <jgraham> Well the alternative is that people depend on mozFooBar and there is wailing when Google implement it (or we implement googFooBar because people depend on it)
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1636. # [22:40] <jesup> right now the devs just want stats, period. THey have no visibility into why things work or don't when they get a complaint, or for monitoring the population as a whole
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1638. # [22:41] <jesup> also: loop (and the fxos app that will implement loop) badly want to be able to see stuff like this
1639. # [22:41] <@smaug> those are reasoning for having some new property/API
1640. # [22:41] <@smaug> but not reasons to use prefix
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1646. # [22:45] <jesup> The reason to use prefix is to make it clear it isn't standardized, and avoid polluting the namespace for later if it is. If we put in bitrate in kbps under "bitrate", and the WG wants it in bps, it's more painful. Not impossible, of course. and as I said, many or most of the moz* and goog* will never even be suggested for standardization; they are intimately tied to the internals of the impl
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1650. # [22:46] <jesup> Alternatively, we could have in the stats (each stats object) a custom-vendor-stats section
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1656. # [22:47] <@smaug> jesup: stuff that will never be suggested for standardization should never be exposed to web
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1662. # [22:49] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/71494b7a518a - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 1017566 - Clear animation before setting visibility to GONE for Gingerbread compatibility. r=mfinkle
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1665. # [22:50] <jesup> Ok, since they're behind mozRTCPeerConnection, lets just drop the moz on these stats. we can discuss the process going forward later and get everyone on the same page (and get the other WG people in too). Can I have r=smaug for the patch without the moz*'s? I need to land something for the b2g 2.0 uplift; this is needed there.
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1669. # [22:52] <@smaug> jesup: r+ for such, I think
1670. # [22:52] <sawrubh|ib> I'm getting this error when trying to build TB : http://pastebin.instantbird.com/731773
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1672. # [22:52] <@smaug> jesup: r+ smaug on irc
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1674. # [22:53] <jesup> smaug:: thanks.
1675. # [22:53] <@smaug> not still quite happy putting random stuff we think might be useful...
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1678. # [22:54] <@smaug> though, at least without prefix it is even a stronger hint we think the API is good and should be exposed to web
1679. # [22:56] <jesup> smaug: These are definitely needed by FxOS and important apps on it need. I'll push for standardization. (and desktop devs as well - not for functioning, but for debugging field problems.)
1680. # [22:57] <jesup> We should have a larger conversation about how to best handle things that are inherently linked to implementation, especially debugging/status type stuff. I'll try to start such a conversation and think about it
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1687. # [23:01] <@smaug> jesup: for someone not too familiar with webrtc implementations would be good to see a list of things which are for some reason implementation dependent, and reasoning why they are such
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1690. # [23:04] <@smaug> Has anyone looked at speedometer benchmark? Is it sane?
1691. # [23:04] <@smaug> or useful
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1693. # [23:08] <jgraham> smaug: I haven't looked, but something that rniwa was working on before seemed similar and somewhat sane
1694. # [23:08] <jgraham> At a very high level
1695. # [23:09] <jgraham> Assuming this is an extension of the same idea, it's basically automation of real web apps, which is a pretty sound strategy
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1697. # [23:13] <jgraham> smaug: I read the blog post, it seems like the thing I previously saw. Which, as I said, seems sensible at a high level
1698. # [23:14] <jgraham> Pretty sure we should try importing it
1699. # [23:15] <@smaug> at least Nightly on linux gets quite a bit better runs/minute than chromium
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1701. # [23:15] <@smaug> but that doesn't still mean the test is useful
1702. # [23:16] <@smaug> hmm, but where do I actually see the tests
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1710. # [23:18] <jgraham> smaug: https://github.com/WebKit/webkit/tree/master/PerformanceTests/Speedometer
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1712. # [23:21] <@smaug> still hard to see what the whole thing is testing
1713. # [23:21] <@smaug> tests.js doesn't give the context...
1714. # [23:21] <@smaug> but looks like plenty of event handling
1715. # [23:22] <@smaug> or event dispatch at least
1716. # [23:22] <@smaug> we should be pretty good on that one
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1745. # [23:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/bd7b9f17f566 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
1746. # [23:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/f5011ddbd906 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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1751. # [23:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57f5fad40670 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 1021378 - Add support for clang-cl to the build system; r=glandium
1752. # [23:59] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d4ed44d5913 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 1021670 - Enable using non-wrapper-cached objects in unions; r=bzbarsky
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