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5. # [00:01] <sfink> efaust: not very different
6. # [00:02] <efaust> sfink: haters gonna hate
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31. # [00:10] <Callek|buildduty> RyanVM: I can agree with almost everything he wrote, fwiw.... except the fact that my workflow is wrong ;-)
32. # [00:10] <sfink> I keep hearing about this post. I should go read it.
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34. # [00:10] <RyanVM> Callek|buildduty: yeah, that's what scares me too
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37. # [00:11] <Callek|buildduty> the largest draw to me, for MQ is that it supports flat patches as I go, e.g. I can qnew/qref, and say "heres a patch to post" without needing to do a diff > foo
38. # [00:11] <Callek|buildduty> and without needing to remember to delete foo later
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41. # [00:12] <Callek|buildduty> or if I make revisions to said patch without needing to remember that I stored the new patch as a different name and thus accidentally post foo again
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43. # [00:13] <Callek|buildduty> almost makes me want to do a new-mq extension addressing gps's concerns but still doing things "right" and keeping the workflow the same
44. # [00:13] <Callek|buildduty> the problem with me and extension writing for hg, is windows, --- yea windows, since py2exe well just sucks for using any hg extensions
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71. # [00:26] <heycam> I'm not sure what I think of Ctrl+L in the devtools console clearing the console instead of focussing the location bar
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81. # [00:30] <jesup> Callek|buildduty: RyanVM: where is this post? IMHO, for most uses mq rocks. Biggest annoyance is pain of moving patches between qqueue's and between patch queues in separate repos (hg qimport ../inbound/.hg/patches-foo/bar)
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84. # [00:30] <RyanVM> jesup: http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2014/06/23/please-stop-using-mq/
85. # [00:30] <Callek|buildduty> jesup: http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2014/06/23/please-stop-using-mq
86. # [00:30] <Callek|buildduty> bah
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97. # [00:35] <mmcdonough> I'm trying to test playing an audio file through an HTML5 audio element, and it's being incorrectly recognized as "video/mp4". Is there something I can do to explicitly set the media type?
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106. # [00:39] <Callek|buildduty> mmcdonough: I never tried it, but using https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/source inside https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/audio sounds like its wha tyou want per both those pages
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113. # [00:43] <fox2mike> khuey: gavin: so I'm on the latest Aurora and everytime I login to Facebook it hangs aurora (beachball). known issues?
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115. # [00:43] <jesup> Callek|buildduty: While I've used multiple branches (even back in CVS days) extensively, and I even designed a bookmark-based import mechanism for WebRTC for mozilla (which failed because it exploded the history, though the concept is still good), I have yet to wrap my head around the way Git works, and mq works really well for me. Could bookmarks work as well? Maybe.... though I'm not...
116. # [00:43] <jesup> ...sure certain operations would work as well
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118. # [00:44] <Callek|buildduty> jesup: yea, I agree... I prefer hg highly
119. # [00:44] <jesup> Callek|buildduty: mq has some cruft in the design, sure - but it works. Most of that could easily be fixed with additions
120. # [00:44] <Callek|buildduty> I'm just barely starting to understand git (have to use it for some things in releng) --- so that side of my brain is getting better, hg is still my preferred though
121. # [00:44] <seth> smaug: take a look at this scope here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/document/src/ImageDocument.cpp#665
122. # [00:44] <jesup> Like splitting a queue, easier inter-queue transfers/copies, etc
123. # [00:44] <seth> smaug: is it me, or is that not actually doing anything?
124. # [00:45] <jesup> thus far git makes no sense to me.
125. # [00:45] <seth> smaug: at least, i don't see what the comment is talking about regarding the style context getting destroyed
126. # [00:45] <jesup> Callek|buildduty: http://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story
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129. # [00:46] <jesup> a repository system where you have to so-carefully isolate yourself seems counter-productive
130. # [00:46] <seth> smaug: perhaps the scope is useful in terms of ensuring that those pointers don't get used elsewhere, but the style context stuff seems to be out of sync with the code
131. # [00:46] <@smaug> seth: that comment looks like something old
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133. # [00:47] <RyanVM> jesup: yeah, I'm really not looking forward to basically having to re-learn my entire workflow with hg
134. # [00:47] <RyanVM> not to mention the mq-centric tools we use on a daily basis (like qimportbz)
135. # [00:47] <@smaug> seth: it was added in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389663
136. # [00:47] <seth> RyanVM/jesup: https://github.com/mozilla/moz-git-tools
137. # [00:48] <gps> RyanVM: qimportbz allows you to do `hg import bz://123456`
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139. # [00:48] <gps> `hg qimport` imports patches to Mercurial; qimport imports them to mq
140. # [00:48] <@khuey> fox2mike: not to me
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143. # [00:48] <gps> `hg export` is the equivalent of cat'ing an mq patch file
144. # [00:48] <RyanVM> gps: I'm sure some of this is "ZOMG CHANGE" on my part
145. # [00:48] <Callek|buildduty> jesup: yea I absolutely despise the "shoot your self in the foot" aspect of git
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147. # [00:49] <RyanVM> I find git to be a huge PITA personally
148. # [00:49] <RyanVM> and I do relatively simple things with it
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151. # [00:49] <seth> smaug: looks pretty clear that it's obsolete, based on the patch in that bug
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154. # [00:49] <RyanVM> gps: my thing is that it feels like dropping mq is going to add extra steps pretty much everywhere along the way
155. # [00:50] <jesup> I constantly am running into "how in the bleep do I <something simple>" with git
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158. # [00:50] <RyanVM> no longer can I just attach a file from my patches directory, now I need to explicitly export it somewhere first
159. # [00:50] <jesup> and I also have issues with github (and to a lesser extent git itself - see the article) with my security-group hat on
160. # [00:51] * seth honestly strongly dislikes the whole mq thing
161. # [00:51] <mmcdonough> Callek|buildduty: Yes, the `type` of the source element looks like exactly what I want. Thank you!
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165. # [00:51] <seth> working on branches is much better, at least for me. hg could do that though; we just don't use that workflow here
166. # [00:51] <gps> RyanVM: hg bzexport
167. # [00:51] <RyanVM> gps: I mean, ultimately I'm not unwilling to learn the "right" way to do things, I'm just not looking forward to having to do so
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169. # [00:51] <gps> why are you manually attaching files to bugs when there are tools to do it faster?
170. # [00:51] <cpeterson> I think the only argument that will make mq users take the time to learn hg bookmarks clear demonstrations of better merge algorithms and fewer merge conflicts.
171. # [00:52] <jesup> "right way to do things" wow, the number of times I've heard that over the years. Few if any of these ways still exist
172. # [00:52] <RyanVM> gps: keep in mind that I only even recently started using qimportbz :P
173. # [00:52] <Callek|buildduty> gps: I am manually attaching files to bugs, because I do find it faster than manually doing it with the command line
174. # [00:52] <gps> cpeterson: well, to be fair to mq users, they could get that today if they used `hg rebase` with mq patches instead of `qpush`
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176. # [00:52] <seth> cpeterson: for me a sufficient argument is that if you pull you now have to rebase all of the patches in all of your patch queues
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178. # [00:52] <@smaug> seth: and Bug 717143 removed the stylecontext stuff
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180. # [00:53] <gps> `hg push --exact && hg rebase -d qbase`
181. # [00:53] <Callek|buildduty> gps: fwiw I do frequently create new bugs, with many different flags, deps, etc, and I frequently use bmo's user-suggestion-feature. So having that all in browser is by far faster for me than manually typing it on command line, and if I think of one thing I want to add/change I don't have to arrow-through the whole line to do so
182. # [00:53] <gps> I /think/ that works
183. # [00:53] <seth> smaug: yeah, saw that. looks like the comment should've been updated at that point
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186. # [00:53] <gps> can't remember what the special name attached to the parent of the applied mq patch is
187. # [00:53] <jesup> I've used hg bookmarks. They're good, but had some issues, especially with history buildup. I had fancy scripts to manage imports and staged upstream patches using bookmarks
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191. # [00:53] <sfink> you mean the parent of the 1st mq patch? qparent
192. # [00:54] <@smaug> seth: yup
193. # [00:54] <gps> sfink: thanks
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197. # [00:54] <jesup> qparent I think
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206. # [00:57] <glandium> glob|away: did you change anything to how pgp'ed bugs are sent? my mutt doesn't recognizes them automatically anymore
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208. # [00:58] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: I don't have PGP set up, but secure bugs are showing up differently for me
209. # [00:58] <Sylvestre> pulsebot: uuid
210. # [00:58] <RyanVM> glandium: this isn't the bsmith changes I assume
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212. # [00:58] <Sylvestre> firebot, uuid
213. # [00:58] <firebot> 2c8fffb9-d8c2-4830-b91c-c570a3754b0b (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
214. # [00:58] <KWierso|sheriffduty> seems to include product/component now
215. # [00:59] <RyanVM> glandium: and by that, I mean bug 611752
216. # [00:59] <avih> dbaron: is this supposed to be working? the addon seems to have gone from addons.mozilla.org..
217. # [00:59] <avih> dbaron: http://dbaron.org/mozilla/leak-monitor/
218. # [00:59] <RyanVM> KWierso|sheriffduty: yeah, edmorley actually wrote that :)
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221. # [00:59] <avih> dbaron: and the hg repo shows last commit on 2011..
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225. # [01:00] <glandium> RyanVM: has to be something else. i'm not using TB to read my mail
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230. # [01:01] <RyanVM> gps: and fwiw, one of the big problems I have is that I have yet to find a tool I actually like using for resolving merge conflicts
231. # [01:01] <RyanVM> kdiff3 on windows is terrible IMO
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240. # [01:03] <gps> RyanVM: do you use the internal:merge tool?
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245. # [01:06] <RyanVM> on windows, I use kdiff3 (comes with mozillabuild), on my linux vm, yes (never configured something else)
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247. # [01:07] <RyanVM> honestly, I really find .rej files easy to work with
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250. # [01:07] <jduell> billm: ping
251. # [01:08] <billm> jduell: hey. have time now?
252. # [01:08] <jduell> yup
253. # [01:08] <RyanVM> but I also do see plenty of times with .rej files that a halfway-decent merge tool should be able to resolve the conflict without any interaction on my part
254. # [01:08] <RyanVM> gps ^
255. # [01:08] <billm> jduell: vidyo in my room?
256. # [01:08] <jduell> sure
257. # [01:08] <billm> jduell: ok, I'll be there in a minute
258. # [01:08] <RyanVM> gps: so certainly room for improvement :P
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261. # [01:09] <RyanVM> gps: I was also bummed that at least so far, I haven't seen any noticeable improvements in hg's merge conflict resolution with 3.x (since I thought it was supposed to be improved)
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268. # [01:13] <_6a68> RyanVM: hey, is there any chance bug 1020580 could get uplift today? I could merge it myself but thought it might be considered rude, since it was approved just today
269. # [01:16] <RyanVM> _6a68: Gaia's closed at the moment, so that's not going ot help your cause ;)
270. # [01:16] <_6a68> RyanVM: doh, last time I trust the topic in #gaia
271. # [01:17] <_6a68> RyanVM: do you have the closure bug #?
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273. # [01:17] <_6a68> I'll update the topic
274. # [01:17] <RyanVM> _6a68: there isn't one - I emailed dev-b2g/dev-gaia
275. # [01:17] <_6a68> :-(
276. # [01:17] <RyanVM> we're waiting on tbpl backlog to clear
277. # [01:17] <RyanVM> it's not a specific bustage
278. # [01:17] <_6a68> OK, I'll just refer to the email link in the topic
279. # [01:17] <RyanVM> just don't want a bunch of commits to hit b2g-inbound in one big shot once it reopens
280. # [01:17] <_6a68> thanks for the info!
281. # [01:17] <_6a68> right, absolutely
282. # [01:18] <RyanVM> sorry, I don't have the ability to edit the topic in #b2g/#gaia
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286. # [01:19] <_6a68> RyanVM: lol, that's rather annoying. I've updated it
287. # [01:20] <RyanVM> _6a68: all I can do is tell you to follow dev-b2g/dev-gaia I guess
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289. # [01:20] <_6a68> RyanVM: yeah, no worries
290. # [01:20] <RyanVM> we do email there
291. # [01:20] <_6a68> :-)
292. # [01:20] <_6a68> heh
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298. # [01:23] <NeilAway> gps: I couldn't work out how to get disqus to let me comment on your blog, but I just wondered whether you had some sort of mq <-> evolve conversion cheat sheet?
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300. # [01:23] <RyanVM> _6a68: and a little politely reaming in that bug while I'm at it
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302. # [01:24] <gps> NeilAway: http://www.gerg.ca/evolve/
303. # [01:24] <gps> those docs are still a work in progress
304. # [01:24] <gps> http://www.gerg.ca/evolve/from-mq.html
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306. # [01:25] <RyanVM> gps: anyway, what if I prefer .rej files over .orig and conflict markers?
307. # [01:26] <gps> RyanVM: I would tell you that you are crazy
308. # [01:26] <gps> .rej files are horrible
309. # [01:26] <RyanVM> well that's sure to win an argument ;)
310. # [01:26] <gps> you can install your own "mergetool" to do custom things during merge
311. # [01:27] <gps> you could produce .orig, .base, and .new files, for example
312. # [01:27] <NeilAway> gps: nice
313. # [01:27] <NeilAway> gps: all you need now is an mqevolve extension that accepts mq commands and performs the evolve equivalents ;-)
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315. # [01:28] <gps> NeilAway: have you seen Facebook's githelp extension? it translates git commands to mercurial. https://bitbucket.org/facebook/hg-experimental/
316. # [01:28] <NeilAway> gps: so far I've managed to avoid git
317. # [01:29] <@dbaron> avih, doesn't work anymore
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319. # [01:30] <avih> dbaron: k, thx. fwiw, terrence just told me on #js that "fitzgen and jimb are actively working on tools for this, but they are not done yet", so i guess this would be good news for addon devs.
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323. # [01:33] <jimb> avih: Yeah, we should be rolling out a series of related tools, starting in the next month or so.
324. # [01:33] <avih> dbaron: despite the obvious lack of updates on your page, might be worth adding an explicit note that it doesn't work anymore.
325. # [01:33] <avih> jmaher|afk: cool :) bug number i could cc on?
326. # [01:33] <avih> jimb: ^
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328. # [01:35] <@dbaron> avih, done
329. # [01:35] <avih> :)
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332. # [01:35] <jimb> avih: bug 960671 and its dependencies are probably what you're interested in.
333. # [01:35] <avih> jimb: cheers.
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338. # [01:38] <jimb> avih: Our immediate priority is census-like tools, that describe aggregate consumption. But we also have in mind more focussed tools: something can explain why a given object or compartment is being retained, for example. Like ochameau's cool hack.
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342. # [01:39] <avih> jimb: i'm unfamiliar with these tools, but the prospect sounds very interesting indeed. would it be able to support scope limited to a single addon+derivative leaks? as far as addon devs go, this kind of perspective will probably be the most useful to have imo.
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347. # [01:40] <jimb> avih: Well, we always need to make our tools able to focus on a particular web page; sometimes we're able to use that sort of focus to narrow in on a single add-on, too.
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350. # [01:41] <jimb> avih: But add-ons aren't as well bounded as pages, so it's not always easy.
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352. # [01:42] <avih> jimb: yeah, but they're the most likely to cause ugly leaks, so they maybe deserve more efort from this. fwiw, this is how i got looking for such tool. i have an addon with complex referencing and even intentional loops, which i break on unload, but i'd have preferred to have some tool to validate my code.
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354. # [01:43] <avih> or rather, that my objects are not leaked
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357. # [01:43] <avih> s/most likely/meaningful enough vector/
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359. # [01:45] <avih> jimb: in fact, this kind of perspective would be so useful for addon devs (who care), that i bet that if there was some API they could actively hook to to help your side of the code get a clearer scope, they would.
360. # [01:46] <avih> jimb: 100% automation is great, but sometimes hinting could cover a lot places which are really hard to cover automatically.
361. # [01:47] <jimb> avih: Most of our work starts with a JS-accessible API. Then we build the devtools UI on top of that.
362. # [01:47] <avih> jimb: ah. nice :)
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397. # [02:12] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4b46f6800f8 - Mike Hommey - Bug 1027497 - Move Gtest startup after Qt/Gtk initialization. r=BenWa
398. # [02:12] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49cadfcde709 - Mike Hommey - Bug 1027890 - Reject builds with pymake. r=gps
399. # [02:12] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcd694f0e95d - Mike Hommey - Bug 1027890 - Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake. r=gps
400. # [02:12] <gps> \o/
401. # [02:12] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/eea5fc3a7f36 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 3 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
402. # [02:12] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/59185786215f - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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404. # [02:13] <RyanVM> yay :)
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406. # [02:13] <@khuey> may it rest in peace
407. # [02:14] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b1b527abe47 - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 1028559 - Flatten xpcom/string/{public,src}/ directories. r=dbaron
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409. # [02:14] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62ad3254903e - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 1028565 - Part 2: Flatten editor/txmgr/{idl,public,src}/ directories. r=ehsan
410. # [02:14] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3510bcdba3fc - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 1028565 - Part 3: Flatten editor/txtsvc/{public,src}/ directories. r=ehsan
411. # [02:14] <@ehsan> poor pymake
412. # [02:14] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5e9777d38052 - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 1028565 - Part 4: Flatten editor/libeditor/base/ directory. r=ehsan
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414. # [02:14] <RyanVM> ehsan: it was fun while it lasted
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433. # [02:26] <@njn> is there a way to make mochitests run on a port other than 8888? I have another program using that port...
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436. # [02:28] <jesup> njn: edit the automation.py.in or whatever?
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438. # [02:29] <@njn> jesup: I don't know which file to modify; 8888 appears many times in our codebase...
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440. # [02:30] <jesup> 8888: the number of the tree
441. # [02:30] <@njn> jesup: changing the port for my other program might be easier...
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445. # [02:30] * jesup decries the lack of forethought with the way port numbers work
446. # [02:30] <jesup> Though at the time the system seemed sane
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449. # [02:31] <jesup> Everything goes through portmap/imapd/etc, right? ;-)
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458. # [02:35] <jesup> gps: "my mq queue grew to over 100 patches with patches belonging to dozens of bugs" -- so why weren't you using hq qqueue to have one queue for each bug? (i.e. each qqueue ~= an hg bookmark)
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464. # [02:37] <jesup> The workflow without changeset evolution leaves some important cases unexplained that I think would cause a lot of problems (like building multi-patch changesets for larger features); with evolution it's more equal to mq's/qcrecord's ability there (though does it have something equivalent to qcrecord? If not, that's a problem)
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523. # [03:05] <@ehsan> baku: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/ui/#/jobs
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542. # [03:17] <KWierso|sheriffduty> poiru: ping
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549. # [03:26] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/0a15f881d837 - Nick Alexander - Bug 929865 - Part 1: Reference org.mozilla.gecko directly when handling application/webapp intent. r=myk
550. # [03:26] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: ping
551. # [03:26] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/457213f9d867 - Nick Alexander - Bug 929865 - Part 2: Use <activity-alias> to wrap activities in generated namespace. r=bnicholson,myk
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554. # [03:26] <rillian> gps: how do I run mach's self-tests?
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565. # [03:35] <YonggangLuo> Hi , anyone familiar with mach here?
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582. # [03:46] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
583. # [03:46] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: backed you out
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585. # [03:47] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/c7e9cd887d3d - Victor Porof - Bug 1029097 - ViewHelpers.Prefs should have a way of clearing the cached preferences, r=rcampbell
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587. # [03:47] <KWierso|sheriffduty> b2g desktop windows didn't like the "no pymake" thing https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42399092&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
588. # [03:47] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/9ab9f3f22d1c - Victor Porof - Bug 1020541 - JS Stacks no longer reported in the profiler, r=benwa,djvj
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590. # [03:47] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: :(
591. # [03:47] <KWierso|sheriffduty> yeah
592. # [03:48] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/pushloghtml?changeset=d6590786c8f2 - 86 changesets
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594. # [03:48] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: the weird thing is that it *is* using mozmake
595. # [03:48] <KWierso|sheriffduty> I clobbered and retriggered it just for giggles, but I dunno
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598. # [03:49] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: i know what's wrong from the log. sucks :(
599. # [03:50] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: can you reland 1027497, though?
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601. # [03:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/pushloghtml?changeset=facfd4c4d77b - 84 changesets
602. # [03:52] * glandium can't help seeing this as pymake shouting "I'm not dead" like in the "bring out your dead" scene from Holy grail
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605. # [03:54] <rillian> gps: nevermind, the problem is further along
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610. # [03:57] <froydnj> glandium: only mostly dead!
611. # [03:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4eaf3ac3704e - Mike Hommey - Bug 1027497 - Move Gtest startup after Qt/Gtk initialization. r=BenWa
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613. # [03:58] <glandium> "I feel happppppyyyyy!"
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641. # [04:10] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c055d3168355 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 1028588 - Fix dangerous public destructors in libjar/ - r=aklotz
642. # [04:10] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e12602a71d8f - Benoit Jacob - Bug 1028588 - Fix dangerous public destructors in content/ - r=khuey
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645. # [04:11] <timdream> KWierso: ping
646. # [04:12] <KWierso> timdream: pong
647. # [04:12] <timdream> KWierso: hi :)
648. # [04:12] <timdream> KWierso: regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1027604
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650. # [04:12] <timdream> KWierso: what’s the next step here? have we determined if the cause of the crash is indeed caused by content?
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655. # [04:16] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/8b9006887332 - Nick Alexander - Bug 1029232 - Part 1: Reference generated Java sources correctly. r=trivial
656. # [04:16] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/0a0f495093d9 - Nick Alexander - Bug 1029232 - Part 2: Include rather than reference Fennec Eclipse resources. r=trivial
657. # [04:16] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/0edc7c486fec - Nick Alexander - Bug 1029232 - Part 3: Call Eclipse builder plugin before Android build steps. r=bnicholson
658. # [04:16] <KWierso> timdream: looks like the failures stopped happening once that change with the revert got merged around this morning
659. # [04:16] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/e37a137812f5 - Nick Alexander - Bug 1014247 - Build omni.ja from within Eclipse. r=rnewman
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661. # [04:16] <timdream> KWierso: ah, ok.
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663. # [04:16] <timdream> KWierso: so what’s the next step here? Do we leave-open the bug and wait for graphic team to fix it?
664. # [04:17] <timdream> KWierso: or i need to create another bug
665. # [04:18] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57852745f33b - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 598615 - Rename HAVE_64BIT_OS to HAVE_64BIT_BUILD. r=ted
666. # [04:18] <KWierso> timdream: I'll comment in the bug with what I think is happening, and we'll see how it goes from there
667. # [04:18] <timdream> KWierso: ok
668. # [04:18] <timdream> KWierso: I am very suprised a JS code change in web content can crash graphics!
669. # [04:19] <KWierso> timdream: you're clearly less jaded than the sheriffs :P
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672. # [04:20] <timdream> KWierso: right, thanks for the help.
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679. # [04:23] <KWierso> mattwoodrow: any ETA on responding to that needinfo in bug 1027604? :)
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728. # [05:01] <nalexander> sheriffs: I see my latest push to fx-team has broken some Python tests (that only run on certain trees). I'll work up a fix and push follow-up.
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733. # [05:06] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/c1e1dcb83aa3 - Nick Alexander - Bug 1029232 - Follow-up: Fix busted test. r=bustage
734. # [05:06] <nalexander> sheriffs: that should fix the trivial problem (others may remain). I'll check back in after my run, about 45-60 minutes.
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878. # [07:12] <tn> anybody hear about ctrl-t and clicking the plus for a new tab not working after upgrading to firefox 30? had a friend complain about it
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883. # [07:14] <nigelb> morning
884. # [07:15] <glob> nigelb, howdy!
885. # [07:15] <nigelb> Hello glob!
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901. # [07:22] <nigelb|sheriffduty> meh. mgith as well.
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915. # [07:32] <glandium> glob: did something change in secure bugmail?
916. # [07:32] <glob> glandium, only the subject changed
917. # [07:32] <glob> glandium, no changes to encryption etc
918. # [07:32] <glandium> aaah
919. # [07:32] <glandium> now istr i have a filter on the subject
920. # [07:32] <glob> glandium, https://wiki.mozilla.org/BMO/Recent_Changes
921. # [07:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b9f82ca8547 - Lars T Hansen - Bug 1026931 - factor the fallible initialization code, and capture and propagate errors. r=shu
922. # [07:33] <glob> glandium, ahh. mutt?
923. # [07:33] <glandium> indeed, i have a message-hook to set check-traditional-pgp
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925. # [07:33] <glandium> glob: yup
926. # [07:33] <glandium> glob: i was wondering why those messages suddenly stopped being considered gpged
927. # [07:34] <glandium> i had forgotten about that setup
928. # [07:34] <glob> glandium, sorry about breaking that
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930. # [07:35] <glandium> glob: so that'd be 1027638
931. # [07:35] <glob> glandium, yessir
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935. # [07:39] <glandium> glob: ok, fixed my mutt config :)
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938. # [07:42] <nigelb|sheriffduty> glandium: do you run multiple accounts on mutt?
939. # [07:42] <nigelb|sheriffduty> I still haven't managed that one :(
940. # [07:42] <glandium> nigelb|sheriffduty: i don't have multiple accounts
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942. # [07:43] <nigelb|sheriffduty> Oh?
943. # [07:43] <glandium> nigelb|sheriffduty: i have everything forwarded to a single place
944. # [07:43] <nigelb|sheriffduty> Right!
945. # [07:43] <glandium> nigelb|sheriffduty: and i fetchmail from there
946. # [07:43] <nigelb|sheriffduty> I'm contemplating doing that.
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949. # [07:47] <gaston> glandium: fetchmail ? :) you should try fdm ..
950. # [07:47] <gaston> (which does fetchmail+procmail in a single binary, with a really neat configuration syntax)
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954. # [07:48] <glandium> gaston: i need to move away from my current config somehow, because my mail server is now too far from me, and POP is really not a protocol designed to overcome latency
955. # [07:49] <gaston> you use mutt locally against a pop server far away ?
956. # [07:49] <glandium> yes
957. # [07:49] <gaston> so far, using mutt directly on the mail server against the ~/Maildir has been perfect for me
958. # [07:49] <glob> eww
959. # [07:50] <gaston> but that depends how good your connection to the server is..
960. # [07:50] <glandium> gaston: yeah, no, i don't want to do that either
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963. # [07:52] <glandium> i think i'll just make things automatically forward mail home, and i'll fetch from there, which will be better
964. # [07:52] <glandium> anyways, well offtopic here
965. # [07:53] <glob> glandium, developer productivity shouldn't be offtopic :)
966. # [07:53] <glandium> glob: i doubt many developers have the kind of crazy setup i have
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969. # [07:54] <glandium> which is crazy partly because of the fact i moved 10000km east
970. # [07:54] <glob> glandium, you should have moved west instead :P
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972. # [07:57] <glandium> glob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SezoGW_z9w0 ?
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1008. # [08:19] <Honza> What is the best way to see whether XML (XUL documents) or HTML parser is used in the current document?
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1011. # [08:20] <Honza> Should I just check type of the documentElement? (and if it's XULElement than assume that XML parser is used?)
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1027. # [08:32] <glandium> Honza: document.contentType ?
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1029. # [08:33] <Honza> glandium: so, is XUL contentType always set to "application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml" ?
1030. # [08:34] <glandium> Honza: i think so
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1033. # [08:35] <glandium> Honza: but the type of the documentElement would work too
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1035. # [08:37] <Honza> glandium: what if i just check if there is a body element?
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1107. # [09:25] <gaston> i mean wikipedia could have wk by default, etc....
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1160. # [10:12] <bbouvier> gps: nice blog post about mq issues
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1164. # [10:15] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7c792ae3ab21 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 1028866 part 5 - Make NewString deflate to Latin1 if Latin1 strings are enabled and add NewStringDontDeflate. r=luke
1165. # [10:16] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b19674e5222c - Jan de Mooij - Bug 1028867 - Add a --latin1-strings shell flag. r=luke
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1169. # [10:18] <bbouvier> gps: how do you keep track of the remote repo tip commit? (in other words, what's the equivalent of |hg qpop -a|)
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1176. # [10:32] <NeilAway> Honza: I would just check the type of the document - if (document instanceof HTMLDocument)
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1182. # [10:38] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, Honza: bad idea, the set of documents for which that tests true is far from set in stone at this point
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1188. # [10:39] <padenot> /b 3
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1196. # [10:43] <shepazu> hi, mikedeboer
1197. # [10:43] <shepazu> this is Doug
1198. # [10:44] <mikedeboer> shepazu: hey Doug :)
1199. # [10:44] <Ms2ger> Hi shepazu
1200. # [10:44] <shepazu> hey, Ms2ger :)
1201. # [10:46] <shepazu> long time no see, Ms2ger… I've been bouncing around other parts of the web stack recently
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1204. # [10:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, it's at least as good as inspecting the root element :-P
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1206. # [10:48] <mikedeboer> shepazu: so you pinged to let me know your nick or would you like to meet now?
1207. # [10:48] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, no, it isn't
1208. # [10:48] <shepazu> mikedeboer, just saying hi
1209. # [10:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: example?
1210. # [10:49] <mikedeboer> shepazu: cool :) hi!
1211. # [10:49] <bbouvier> gps: (nevermind, i found my answer: hg up tip, of course. So elegant)
1212. # [10:49] <shepazu> mikedeboer, but if now works better for you, we could meet
1213. # [10:49] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, the HTML spec right now requires your test to be true for all documents
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1216. # [10:50] <mikedeboer> shepazu: not quite... got some check-ins to do, catch up with bugmail, put up a patch, etc.
1217. # [10:50] <Honza> Ms2ger: so, what do you think about checking existence of the body element?
1218. # [10:50] <shepazu> mikedeboer, yeah, let's meet tomorrow
1219. # [10:50] * Ms2ger opens the logs
1220. # [10:50] <mikedeboer> shepazu: ah, I understand you'd welcome a context switch ;)
1221. # [10:51] <bbouvier> gps: wait, actually it's not enough, so my question still stands, when you're around :)
1222. # [10:51] <shepazu> mikedeboer, I would, but it's best if I do complete this...
1223. # [10:51] <glandium> yay, there are now *three* matches for :ted in bugzilla
1224. # [10:51] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: and just how exactly does the HTML spec apply to non-HTML documents?
1225. # [10:51] <NeilAway> /forcenick ted luser
1226. # [10:51] <NeilAway> problem solved!
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1228. # [10:51] <shepazu> NeilAway, depends on the document :)
1229. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> Honza, what's your use case?
1230. # [10:52] <shepazu> NeilAway, it does set some implicit groundrules for SVG docs, for example
1231. # [10:52] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: or is this the Oprah version of the spec? "You're an HTML document, You're an HTML document, Everyone's an HTML document!"
1232. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, the HTML spec requires Document === HTMLDocument
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1234. # [10:53] <Honza> Ms2ger: I need to check if given doc is XUL or HTML. I am setting innerHTML into <table> element and HTML documents create <tbody> element automatically (xul doc doesn't)
1235. # [10:54] <Ms2ger> Honza, add the tbodys explicitly? They don't cause harm in HTML
1236. # [10:55] <Honza> Ms2ger: ok, sounds like the simplest solution after all
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1238. # [10:56] <Ms2ger> Honza, I think so, yes :)
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1279. # [11:33] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: where's the doc that says what you need to do on a patch for checkin-needed so that whoever lands doesn't have to do much?
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1281. # [11:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: you mean something like this https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sheriffing/How:To:Landing_checkin-needed_patches
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1283. # [11:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: and maybe https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#How_can_I_generate_a_patch_for_somebody_else_to_check-in_for_me.3F
1284. # [11:34] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yeah, thanks its the FAQ page I wanted
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1287. # [11:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also there is https://www.mail-archive.com/dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org/msg08484.html
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1302. # [11:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mstange: ping
1303. # [11:51] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: pong
1304. # [11:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mstange: test bustage on inbound from your push
1305. # [11:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> from 73c6b1fcd058 i guess
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1307. # [11:53] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: oops
1308. # [11:53] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I can see the bug in the test, I have no idea how that got in there
1309. # [11:53] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: my I push a fix to the test?
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1311. # [11:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah sure :)
1312. # [11:53] <mstange> thanks
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1314. # [11:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> just add the CLOSED TREE to your commit message - i closed inbound so you can do the fix :)
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1319. # [11:56] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: pushed
1320. # [11:56] <mstange> sorry about that
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1322. # [11:57] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/990efda77488 - Markus Stange - Bug 1024473 - Fix the test. CLOSED TREE
1323. # [11:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thx :)
1324. # [11:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> np :)
1325. # [11:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> m-i reopened :)
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1345. # [12:11] <bbouvier> C++ heroes, is there a way to avoid the prefixing by A:: in main's code: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5469065
1346. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> A* x_ = &x; x->func(1)
1347. # [12:13] <padenot> arguably a reference would be cleaner
1348. # [12:13] <padenot> A& a = x; a.func(1);
1349. # [12:14] <padenot> also I refuse to be called a C++ hero, I know nothing.
1350. # [12:14] <bbouvier> you know nothing, jon padenot
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1356. # [12:20] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/3b6149f227d6 - Jessica Jong - Bug 1021424 - Verify network.type and network.state before applying mms settings. f=btseng r=vicamo
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1358. # [12:22] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/3988c3177983 - Joe Walker - Bug 1023233 - Add getSpec to union type; f=gl, r=mratcliffe
1359. # [12:22] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/5def913879a7 - Joe Walker - Bug 1028234 - Allow command buttons to use target; r=bgrins
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1361. # [12:23] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f30467ecd82c - Tim Taubert - Backed out changeset b15db5d459d3 (bug 1029559)
1362. # [12:23] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/295196af061b - Hsin-Yi Tsai - Bug 1030030 - [B2G] follow-up of Bug 1028099 - use call.id.number. r=aknow
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1374. # [12:35] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85760b5abe33 - Olli Pettay - Bug 1029866 - Rename InitUsingWin(...) to Init(...), r=bobowencode
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1376. # [12:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: ping, do you know why suddenly all marionette tests fail after your push ?
1377. # [12:37] <Optimize1> how to use metro firefox in current nightlies ?
1378. # [12:38] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: bah, looking
1379. # [12:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> there is "AssertionError: 1 failure(s) encountered: " but no idea what this assertion failure is
1380. # [12:40] <Standard8> its the second line below that
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1382. # [12:41] <Standard8> huh
1383. # [12:41] * Standard8 looks at code
1384. # [12:41] * Standard8 is puzzled
1385. # [12:41] <@ted> glandium: huh
1386. # [12:41] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: lets back it out, you or me?
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1388. # [12:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: i can do it
1389. # [12:41] <@ted> that third guy isn't even named ted
1390. # [12:41] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok, I'll explain on the bug
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1392. # [12:41] <Standard8> feels like it needs a second bug as well
1393. # [12:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
1394. # [12:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh fun also lightning storms approaching here :)
1395. # [12:42] <Standard8> to do a TEST_UNEXPECTED_FAIL on the error line
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1397. # [12:43] <Standard8> hmm, that might be interesting
1398. # [12:45] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6cbfe5dd1a1d - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset b30d5443b70e (bug 1023507) for marionette test failures on a CLOSED TREE
1399. # [12:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok backout pushed
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1402. # [12:46] <Standard8> commented on bug
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1406. # [12:48] <Standard8> filed bug 1030062 for making those failures clearer
1407. # [12:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/37bb0bac9d57 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 1 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
1408. # [12:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/fd5d8b41c4da - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
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1442. # [13:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mstange: ping
1443. # [13:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> seems https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42436798&tree=Mozilla-Inbound is still failing
1444. # [13:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> that from the backout build
1445. # [13:39] <badescunicu> Hello! How can I get permission to modify bugs?
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1447. # [13:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> badescunicu: you mean things like canconfirm and edit bugs on bugzilla ?
1448. # [13:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=get_permissions.html helps
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1450. # [13:44] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: looking
1451. # [13:45] <badescunicu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yes, that's what I meant. Thanks for the link.
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1454. # [13:47] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I'm 99% sure that this failure is due to bug 1000722 which has landed on b2g-inbound but not been merged to mozilla-inbound yet
1455. # [13:47] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I can disable the test on B2G until the merge happens and re-enable it afterwards
1456. # [13:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mstange: oh the merge should be done in around 100 minutes (at least thats the time when the pgo builds finish) so i can do a comment on that one failure :)
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1458. # [13:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> that this should be fixed bu this other bug :)
1459. # [13:49] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: oh cool
1460. # [13:49] <mstange> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yes I'd prefer that
1461. # [13:49] <mstange> I just hope I'm right about it :)
1462. # [13:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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1467. # [13:52] <jdm> badescunicu: if you send me your email I can grant the permission
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1469. # [13:55] * Gijs wonders if anyone's around at this time of day who knows about gfxPrefs (gfx/thebes)
1470. # [13:56] <Gijs> Bas: ping? :)
1471. # [13:56] <mstange> Gijs: what's your question?
1472. # [13:57] <Gijs> mstange: so it adds lots of pref caches.
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1474. # [13:57] <Gijs> mstange: but in gtests, we actually create and destroy that singleton lots of times, afaict
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1476. # [13:58] <Gijs> pref caches are nice because you tell the pref system "update this bool/int/float for me when the pref changes"
1477. # [13:58] <Gijs> it works because it gets a raw pointer to the address it needs to update
1478. # [13:58] <Gijs> pref caches are not so nice because there's no API to destroy them
1479. # [13:58] <Gijs> and the gfxPrefs singleton just delete's itself
1480. # [13:59] <Gijs> now, my C++ skills are limited, but that story doesn't sound very nice to me
1481. # [13:59] <Gijs> if anyone decides to go and change a pref that gfxPrefs cares about
1482. # [13:59] <Gijs> and the observer gets called
1483. # [13:59] <Gijs> it'll dutifully go and update your variable for you...
1484. # [14:00] <tbsaunde> I'd imagine you just aren't supposed to change gfx prefs after that singleton goes away
1485. # [14:00] <Gijs> right
1486. # [14:00] <Gijs> and on regular Firefox that's probably OK because we only destroy it from gfxPlatform's destructor, AFAICT
1487. # [14:00] <tbsaunde> and presumably it goes away late in shutdown if at all outside of gtest I guess
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1489. # [14:01] <Gijs> :)
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1491. # [14:02] <mstange> Gijs: hmm, I don't know much about the shutdown process. The gfxPrefs singleton is deleted in gfxPlatform::Shutdown, which is called from LayoutModuleDtor() - does that one get called multiple times during gtest?
1492. # [14:02] <Gijs> mstange: no, the gtests call it themselves
1493. # [14:02] <mstange> Gijs: call what?
1494. # [14:02] <Gijs> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/tests/gtest/TestAsyncPanZoomController.cpp#33
1495. # [14:03] <mstange> huh
1496. # [14:03] <Gijs> ditto in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/tests/gtest/TestGfxPrefs.cpp
1497. # [14:03] <mstange> yeah that sounds not so good
1498. # [14:03] <Gijs> it's breaking my code which fatally asserts if you reuse a pref cache address
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1500. # [14:04] <Gijs> (which actually confuses me because I don't understand why the address at which the pref storage is would stay the same between init/destroy cycles for gfxPrefs)
1501. # [14:04] <mstange> I think I can answer that one
1502. # [14:04] <mstange> one sec
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1505. # [14:06] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec2988de3971 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 1029627 - Remove unused string variable and member variable in WinUtils code. r=jmathies
1506. # [14:06] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f1afdcec1927 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 1025553, part 2 - Change gfxMatrix from a struct to a class. r=Bas
1507. # [14:06] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2b57ebbe690 - Jonathan Watt - Add some documenting comments to the image encoders; no bug
1508. # [14:06] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/723f393bbf44 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 940625 - Discard the surfaces for SVG images that are in the ImageLib SurfaceCache when the app theme changes. r=seth
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1513. # [14:09] <Gijs> mstange: cc'd you on bug 1029509 ;)
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1517. # [14:14] <mstange> Gijs: ok I have no explanation for the address being the same
1518. # [14:14] <Gijs> mstange: interesting!
1519. # [14:14] <Gijs> maybe my code is broken :)
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1521. # [14:15] <Gijs> ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=1029509&attachment=8445813 )
1522. # [14:15] <mstange> Gijs: well, it may be the case that the new singleton is allocated at the same address as the old one
1523. # [14:15] <Gijs> mstange: right...
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1525. # [14:15] <Gijs> that sounds like coincidence, though
1526. # [14:16] <mstange> Gijs: yeah
1527. # [14:16] <mstange> Gijs: though if the address is only similar, the PrefTemplate objects inside might overlap
1528. # [14:16] <Gijs> mstange: so what's the right fix here? Seems to me like those tests should only create / get the singleton once, and maybe not bother destroying it?
1529. # [14:16] <mstange> Gijs: I mean, a new PrefTemplate object could be at the same position as an old one, but not necessarily the same
1530. # [14:16] <mstange> Gijs: that sounds sensible, yes
1531. # [14:17] <Gijs> right, but in my local testing on OS X, at least, the preference that fails is the first one that's declared
1532. # [14:17] <mstange> oh ok
1533. # [14:17] <Gijs> which I guess is not super conclusive, it could still be 'halfway through' the space occupied by the previous singleton
1534. # [14:17] <mstange> true
1535. # [14:17] <Gijs> oh well
1536. # [14:18] * Gijs tries to remember how gtests work and how to make this plan work...
1537. # [14:19] <mstange> bjacob: do you have an opinion or suggestions for this?
1538. # [14:19] <mstange> bjacob: since you were the one who reviewed the initial gfxPrefs patch, and you probably know more than I do about shutdown
1539. # [14:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> btw had to close m-i for bustage in gfxmatrix
1540. # [14:20] <Gijs> I mean, the alternative is to add code to mozilla::Preferences to allow you to clean up pref caches, and to do that for all the ones gfxPrefs adds...
1541. # [14:20] <bjacob> mstange: reading scrollback
1542. # [14:20] <Gijs> but that sounds less attractive to me unless it's necessary
1543. # [14:21] <bjacob> mstange: Gijs: sorry, hard to pick up this conversation, can you tell me what the question is?
1544. # [14:22] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a047458b7eab - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset f1afdcec1927 (bug 1025553) for bustage on a CLOSED TREE
1545. # [14:22] <Gijs> bjacob: a lot of gfx-related GTests create and destroy gfxPrefs themselves
1546. # [14:22] <Gijs> bjacob: that means pref observers get added multiple times because of how pref caches work
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1548. # [14:22] <Gijs> bjacob: that's not good :)
1549. # [14:23] <Gijs> (also because the old ones stick around and point to memory which may or may not be freed now)
1550. # [14:23] <bjacob> Gijs: please point me to one such test?
1551. # [14:23] <Gijs> bjacob: so, my suggestion was to make the gtests feel free to grab a gfxPrefs singleton, but never to destroy it.
1552. # [14:23] <Gijs> bjacob: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/tests/gtest/TestAsyncPanZoomController.cpp#33
1553. # [14:24] <bjacob> Gijs: what are the bad symptoms that you want to avoid?
1554. # [14:24] <Gijs> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/tests/gtest/TestGfxPrefs.cpp does some bits as well
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1556. # [14:25] <Gijs> bjacob: my motivation is that I want to make debug builds crash and burn when they create multiple pref caches against the same memory address because that's a bad idea. :)
1557. # [14:25] <Gijs> so currently, my patch makes gtests crash and burn
1558. # [14:26] <bjacob> Gijs: but as gfxPrefs is a singleton, how do you possibly end up with multiple pref caches at the same time ?
1559. # [14:26] <Gijs> bjacob: the fact that these tests free up memory that they've handed out pointers to also doesn't seem sensible
1560. # [14:26] <Gijs> bjacob: because those gtests destroy the singleton?
1561. # [14:26] <Gijs> and then call getsingleton again
1562. # [14:26] <Gijs> which will duly create a new one
1563. # [14:27] <bjacob> Gijs: i think this conversation would go way faster over phone or skype. What works for you?
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1565. # [14:27] <Gijs> skype, I guess :)
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1575. # [14:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: np :)
1576. # [14:40] <jwatt> why has Chatzilla taken to showing me as connected when I'm not?
1577. # [14:40] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I see from the logs that you didn't get any of my messages here - sorry about that :/
1578. # [14:40] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: since there are no commits between my broken push and your backout I cancelled the builds for my push
1579. # [14:40] <jwatt> (save cycles)
1580. # [14:40] <jwatt> or at least I tried to - it doesn't seem to be having much of an effect
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1583. # [14:41] * mihaelav has a simple test for Geolocation that needs review. Does anyone care to review/mentor?
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1586. # [14:43] <@smaug> mihaelav: dougt perhaps
1587. # [14:44] <@smaug> (who will be awake probably in 3-4 h)
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1589. # [14:45] <mihaelav> ok, thanks smaug :)
1590. # [14:49] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7834122e3262 - André Bargull - Bug 920484 - Use empty objects when initialising Intl prototypes. r=waldo
1591. # [14:49] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c8adcd39585a - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 1023787 - Make Task.jsm stack rewriting play nicely with xpcshell and mochi tests. r=paolo, r=mikedeboer
1592. # [14:49] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/16bba8cfb818 - Martin Stransky - Bug 1028913 - Fix bustage when --disable-dbus is set. r=karlt
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1598. # [14:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: oh you cancled too much builds :)
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1620. # [15:07] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: huh, seems like the self serve Cancel button cancels the changeset you request to cancel and all existing subsequent builds, then?
1621. # [15:08] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: i only pressed it once, and off the self-serve page from my push
1622. # [15:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok :) yeah its no problem i retrigger the cancled builds for the backout push :)
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1625. # [15:09] <jwatt> I don't think that's what that button should do :/
1626. # [15:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
1627. # [15:09] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but it were also only a few builds not all on the backout push
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1629. # [15:10] <jwatt> wierd
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1638. # [15:16] <whimboo> jwatt: hey! would you mind to take a look at bug 1016305 if you have a couple of minutes time?
1639. # [15:17] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: that issue we had with marionette test failures earlier, would an output such as https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5469776 be sufficient?
1640. # [15:18] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: possibly some duplication, but I don't think I can get around that
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1642. # [15:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Standard8: i think for me it would be ok. RyanVM, edmorley ^
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1648. # [15:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: RyanVM its about the mn bustage we had earlier - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42432328&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - Standard8 filed bug 1030062 for making those failures clearer
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1650. # [15:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm jwatt there seems to be another test bustage
1651. # [15:22] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42442717&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
1652. # [15:22] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i guess thats 723f393bbf44
1653. # [15:22] * jwatt looks
1654. # [15:22] <Standard8> Tomcat|sheriffduty: RyanVM|mtg: edmorley: so UNEXEPECTED was, of course, a deliberate mistake ;-)
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1656. # [15:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: closing m-i to check that
1657. # [15:24] <Alessar> Hello. Did anybody analize crash reports of FF ?
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1661. # [15:26] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I changed DiscardAllVectorImages to DiscardAll as per a review request
1662. # [15:26] <jwatt> DiscardAll doesn't have the fix it seems though - let me check that in
1663. # [15:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: yeah sure
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1668. # [15:28] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty: done
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1670. # [15:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: cool thanks
1671. # [15:30] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8e069ea10ef1 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 940625 follow-up to fix bustage from changing from DiscardAllSurfacesForVectorImages to DiscardAll. CLOSED TREE
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1704. # [15:47] <edmorley> Standard8: I'm missing context, could you sum up? :-)
1705. # [15:48] <Standard8> edmorley: I thought Tomcat|sheriffduty had….
1706. # [15:48] <Standard8> "ts about the mn bustage we had earlier - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42432328&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - Standard8 filed bug 1030062 for making those failures clearer"
1707. # [15:49] <edmorley> Standard8: (I haven't read all the backscroll, in the middle of quite a few things that I'm trying to get done before I take over sheriffduty from Tomcat, so avoiding irc reading whilst I'm not on duty)
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1710. # [15:50] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/pushloghtml?changeset=21331c695f14 - 85 changesets
1711. # [15:50] <Standard8> edmorley: oh so probably the only other bit of context you need is "that issue we had with marionette test failures earlier, would an output such as https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5469776 be sufficient?"
1712. # [15:51] <edmorley> Standard8: yeah looks good, just with only 3 parts (between the pipe delimiter) rather than 4? (yey unstructured logging \o/)
1713. # [15:51] <edmorley> Standard8: thank you for filing that
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1715. # [15:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/5d4554c35f09 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 3 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
1716. # [15:52] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/7c14ef161295 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
1717. # [15:52] <Standard8> edmorley: hmm, I guess I could change the last | to a -
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1720. # [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> grr i hate mcmerge, now it locked my bugzilla account again
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1722. # [15:55] <glob> Tomcat|sheriffduty, confirmed
1723. # [15:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and not even wrong password dialog came up
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1734. # [15:59] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/048db75140c6 - Ed Morley - Bug 1023341 - Disable test_networkstats_alarms.html on B2G for too many intermittent test failures. a=test-only
1735. # [15:59] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: use a password manager? :-)
1736. # [16:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: yeah i guess i have too :)
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1741. # [16:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also i guess would help if i had not some kind of static ip :)
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1743. # [16:01] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yeah the UX could be improved, but in lieu of someone writing a patch (and it comes lower down compared to a lot of other stuff at the moment), it seems like the best way to avoid issues. Password managers have many other advantages too (unique strong password per site etc - every password I use is unique)
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1745. # [16:02] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: yeah good point
1746. # [16:04] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: LastPass, 1Password, KeePass are a few places to start looking, if you are interested :-)
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1751. # [16:06] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hmmmm
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1753. # [16:06] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: merge bustage on m-i
1754. # [16:06] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: with s-s bug access, using a strong, _unique_ Bugzilla password is really a must (and unless one's disk is encrypted, not storing it in the weak-encryption browser password store also advisable)
1755. # [16:06] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I'll take over, seeing the time :-)
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1760. # [16:07] <jesup> edmorley: it's a complex tradeoff: higher-sec passwords per site (good), single-point of failure (bad, loss of DB, sec bug in manager, etc), single-point-of-attack (bad, anything that compromises your password manager gets *all* your passwords immediately), loss of device means no ability to get to anything without going through (multiple) password reset sequences, especially if you don't...
1761. # [16:07] <jesup> ...have access to your email.
1762. # [16:07] * rail_away is now known as rail
1763. # [16:08] <jesup> And yes, some shouldn't be stored anywhere ... though those are only as safe as the password-reset sequence (including access to email)
1764. # [16:08] <jesup> Oh, and don't use WinXP if you have s-s access.... ;-)
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1766. # [16:09] <Ms2ger> s/if you have s-s access//
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1768. # [16:09] <jesup> True. But that adds an exclamation point to it
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1770. # [16:10] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jesup: agreed, but I think password re-use is still the biggest enemy of the lot (not saying that Tomcat does re-use, but to a point if you can remember your password to each site, then unless you use an elaborate morphing algorithm [eg based on site name] that has minimal overlap between sites, then it's unlikely they are unique per site)
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1772. # [16:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley|sheriffduty: pretty sure its bugs 958782 but not sure why this is breaking m-i
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1778. # [16:11] <jesup> edmorley|sheriffduty: Yes. And too many sites require passwords where I could care less. I don't waste brain cells on remembering those
1779. # [16:11] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jesup: it's also such a mental relief to switch to a "I don't know my passwords so don't have to try and remember them and often get them wrong" model
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1787. # [16:13] <catlee> sticky notes FTW
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1789. # [16:13] <Tomcat> hrm i always write it on the keyboard :P
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1793. # [16:15] <jesup> edmorley|sheriffduty: the biggest pain is syncing said password managers...online password managers raise big red flags to me. Syncing hard-encrypted stores over a cloud with the private keys never being in the cloud (local/hand transfer only) seems to only viable option
1794. # [16:15] <jesup> catlee: Nah, password==sitename. No note required
1795. # [16:15] <jesup> and hope they don't change their domain ;-)
1796. # [16:17] <catlee> hehe
1797. # [16:17] <catlee> yeah, I use dropbox to sync my locally encrypted password file around
1798. # [16:17] <catlee> and hope it never gets corrupted
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1810. # [16:25] <jesup> catlee: yup. You are trusting that there are no (serious) bugs in the manager; that nothing that compromises your browser can get it to divulge all or most of your passwords without your knowing, etc. (evil/compromised extension or 0-day (or external vector) causes the manager to decrypt the store or fill in the passwords to a bunch of hidden site logins, etc) TANSTAFL :-/
1811. # [16:25] <catlee> well, at least it's not integrated with my browser
1812. # [16:25] <jesup> That said, it's likely a reasonable tradeoff.
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1814. # [16:25] <Gijs> kats: would you mind answering a stupid question about your comment on bug 1030115 ? :)
1815. # [16:25] <catlee> separate app that I copy/paste passwords out of
1816. # [16:26] <kats> Gijs: sure
1817. # [16:26] <Gijs> kats: I'm confused because nsDisplayList defines its own static variable where it caches the pref.
1818. # [16:26] <Gijs> kats: are you saying the compiler/linker lumps them together?
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1820. # [16:26] <kats> Gijs: maybe i misunderstood the problem
1821. # [16:26] <kats> let me re-read
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1823. # [16:27] <Gijs> (your solution is probably still correct regardless, but I'm just wondering if I misunderstand how the code works)
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1827. # [16:28] <testman> I come here after half a year to ask same question again: Is anything being done to remove giant titlebar on Linux (mostly GNOME, but also other DEs) version of Firefox? How can Chrome do it?
1828. # [16:28] <jesup> catlee that cuts the vector, but anything that compromises the browser may be able to manipulate the mouse and keyboard to suck out all the passwords, at least in theory, while you're not watching (I'm assuming you don't have to re-enter the master for each access once it's running)
1829. # [16:28] <Gijs> testman: we need to move to gtk3, AIUI, and work on that is ongoing but not complete yet.
1830. # [16:28] * jesup has to stop paranoia-bikeshedding and do some real work
1831. # [16:29] <Yoric> bsmedberg: I'm setting up my Q3 objectives. Do you agree that AsyncShutdown for C++ would be useful?
1832. # [16:30] <Gijs> sfink: would you take a patch for bzexport that warns you about bzexport'ing a patch with "try:" in the summary ?
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1834. # [16:30] <catlee> jesup: yeah, it locks itself after a few minutes
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1837. # [16:30] <catlee> and clears the clipboard after ~30s
1838. # [16:30] <Gijs> sfink: or even patches with 0 content?
1839. # [16:30] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: I think we should do it when there's a specific client that needs it but not before
1840. # [16:30] <armenzg> sfink, there are some conflicts merging mozharness to ash-mozharness
1841. # [16:30] * Gijs semi-regularly accidentally ends up sticking his "try push" changesets on bugs :(
1842. # [16:30] <@bsmedberg> not sure it's "Q3 objectives" worthy in general.
1843. # [16:30] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Well, you're probably in the best position to know whether this is the case.
1844. # [16:31] <armenzg> sfink, they are related to spidermonkey; would you be able to help to resolve the conflicts?
1845. # [16:31] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: do you know what's up with the project to _exit after profile-do-shutdown ?
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1847. # [16:31] <Yoric> No, I remember setting out to investigate and not finding anything.
1848. # [16:31] <Yoric> I seem to remember that vladan was heading it until we was appointed to manager and I'm not sure someone took over the mantle.
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1852. # [16:32] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: I think it got stuck on the late-write stuff. But that's the thing which would be pretty valuable.
1853. # [16:33] <jesup> bsmedberg: one of the biggest offenders on late-write IIRC was logging
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1855. # [16:33] <kats> Gijs: sorry, got pulled away for a minute. so yeah it appears that the constructor is getting called twice, which shouldn't be happening
1856. # [16:33] <Yoric> jesup: PRLOG?
1857. # [16:33] <@bsmedberg> jesup: well if we're going to _exit, logging doesn't exactly matter
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1859. # [16:33] <kats> Gijs: so that's a separate bug that i can look into. but the solution i suggested should fix the pref caching issue either way
1860. # [16:34] <Gijs> kats: it looks like it's happening for new windows/dialogs/things ?
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1862. # [16:34] <Gijs> kats: do you want me to file it separately or will you? :)
1863. # [16:34] <Gijs> (the re-creation of the tree manager, I mean)
1864. # [16:34] <kats> Gijs: yeah it might make sense for dialogs. i'd have to think about it. i can file the bug and look into it
1865. # [16:34] <Gijs> sweet, thanks!
1866. # [16:34] <kats> Gijs: do you want to be CC'd on it?
1867. # [16:35] <Gijs> kats: sure! I might learn a thing or two. :)
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1869. # [16:35] <kats> ok, will do
1870. # [16:36] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Well, I can discuss with vladan and see if he needs someone to get this moving again.
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1872. # [16:37] <Yoric> Although that looks a little too large if we look at stuff I have already planned for Q3.
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1879. # [16:39] <jesup> bsmedberg: I think there are some separate logging mechanisms (webrtc_trace, mtransport/nICEr logs, etc)
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1906. # [16:54] <reuben> infinite "reticulating splines" loop?
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1915. # [16:57] <RyanVM> smaug: ping
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1918. # [16:57] <@smaug> RyanVM:
1919. # [16:57] <@smaug> pong
1920. # [16:57] <@smaug> did I break something
1921. # [16:57] <Gijs> kats: so looking at your suggestion, because we need a pointer for the ConditionOnLog call at http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/a19e0434ea52/gfx/layers/apz/src/APZCTreeManager.cpp#l50 , I'm not sure switching to gfxPrefs is viable. :(
1922. # [16:57] <RyanVM> smaug: looks like the merge from m-c isn't playing nicely with bug 1029866
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1924. # [16:57] <@smaug> hrm
1925. # [16:57] <RyanVM> smaug: probably something from b-i
1926. # [16:57] <@smaug> what is there
1927. # [16:57] <RyanVM> my guess is a simple spot fix is all that's needed
1928. # [16:57] <Gijs> (at least, my attempts to find a magic incantation to get something to pass to ConditionOnPref have failed)
1929. # [16:58] <kats> Gijs: hmm good point
1930. # [16:58] <RyanVM> smaug: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42444592&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
1931. # [16:58] <Gijs> along the lines of 0:21.67 /Users/gkruitbosch/dev/fx-team/gfx/layers/apz/src/APZCTreeManager.cpp:46:32: error: cannot take the address of an rvalue of type 'bool'
1932. # [16:58] <Gijs> so yeah :)
1933. # [16:58] <@smaug> remove UsingWin
1934. # [16:58] <@smaug> it should be just Init(
1935. # [16:58] <kats> Gijs: we could change ConditionOnPref to take a function pointer maybe
1936. # [16:58] <@smaug> not InitUsingWin(
1937. # [16:58] <kats> Gijs: and pass in the function from GfxPrefs
1938. # [16:58] <Gijs> hrm
1939. # [16:59] * Gijs looks
1940. # [16:59] <kats> Gijs: that's the only place ConditionOnPref is used i think
1941. # [16:59] <kats> so it should be easy to change if we want to do that
1942. # [16:59] <Gijs> kats: how would that help, though?
1943. # [16:59] * Gijs is a little confused
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1945. # [16:59] <Gijs> oh
1946. # [17:00] <Gijs> I see
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1948. # [17:00] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty ^ want to push a spot fix?
1949. # [17:00] <kats> Gijs: presumably you added something in GfxPrefs for this pref
1950. # [17:00] <RyanVM> looks like a 1-liner
1951. # [17:00] <Gijs> kats: yeah. Are you saying that instead of having an mPref pointer it can have a function pointer which it calls every time it now reads the end of the pointer?
1952. # [17:00] <kats> Gijs: yeah
1953. # [17:00] <Gijs> kats: OK. I'll give that a shot. Thanks :)
1954. # [17:01] <edmorley|sheriffduty> smaug: would you mind landing that?
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1957. # [17:01] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: from #b2g - 11:01:35 AM - vicamo: RyanVM: four lines I think
1958. # [17:01] <RyanVM> 11:01:59 AM - vicamo: there are also three in dom/mobileconnection
1959. # [17:02] <RyanVM> so we're probably better having vicamo push a spot fix
1960. # [17:02] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: sgtm
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1962. # [17:02] <edmorley|sheriffduty> smaug: yeah sorry vicamo will do it, thank you :-)
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1965. # [17:02] <@smaug> edmorley|sheriffduty: thanks
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1974. # [17:06] <mwargers> ferjm, ping?
1975. # [17:06] <ferjm> mwargers, hi
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1980. # [17:08] <mwargers> ferjm: hi, you fixed bug 988469 (msisdn api) ,right? Is that code in mxr or somewhere else? Are there currently any tests for it?
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1984. # [17:08] <vicamo> RyanVM: I’m supposed to push a patch directly to m-i, right?
1985. # [17:08] <mwargers> ferjm: I'm supposed to get a test strategy out for this (manual and automated)
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1987. # [17:09] <ferjm> mwargers, yes, that's in mxr already and I am still working on the tests. I am finding several issues with mochitests in b2g :(
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1989. # [17:09] <mwargers> ferjm, ok, thx, I guess the mochitests are not checked in yet, right?
1990. # [17:10] <RyanVM> vicamo: yes please :)
1991. # [17:10] <ferjm> mwargers, no, not yet
1992. # [17:10] <RyanVM> vicamo: you'll need CLOSED TREE in the commit message too
1993. # [17:10] <vicamo> working on it
1994. # [17:10] <ferjm> mwargers, if you want to test the API I can send you an app to test
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1996. # [17:11] <mwargers> ferjm, that would be great, my mail is mwargers@mozilla.com
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2000. # [17:12] <RyanVM> vicamo: thanks!
2001. # [17:12] <vicamo> compiling. Run! Lola! Run!
2002. # [17:13] <RyanVM> heh
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2008. # [17:17] <ferjm> bz, ping
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2019. # [17:20] <catlee> bbondy: ben is PTO
2020. # [17:20] <bbondy> ah ok
2021. # [17:20] <bbondy> maybe you know the answers?
2022. # [17:20] <catlee> yeah, but they're not firm
2023. # [17:20] <bbondy> that's ok
2024. # [17:20] <bbondy> just want best guess to move forward with
2025. # [17:21] <catlee> I think current plan is to include the new data in the existing AUS response
2026. # [17:21] <catlee> so, a single update ping
2027. # [17:22] <catlee> I know rob had some concerns about that
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2029. # [17:22] <bbondy> will it be in xml format?
2030. # [17:22] <catlee> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1009816#c4 is the schema so far
2031. # [17:22] <catlee> yes
2032. # [17:22] <bbondy> or a giant blob of json embeddedin the xml?
2033. # [17:22] <bbondy> k
2034. # [17:22] <bbondy> xml
2035. # [17:23] <catlee> is there a good reason not to?
2036. # [17:23] <catlee> nice serialization format you've got there...how about embedding another one inside?
2037. # [17:23] <bbondy> xml makes the most sense to me, but I was looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1013354#c1
2038. # [17:24] <catlee> ah
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2040. # [17:24] <catlee> I'd assume XML for now
2041. # [17:24] <vicamo> RyanVM: pushed
2042. # [17:25] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/f57d24c3e843 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 1027125 - set sync signup pref for button test, r=ttaubert
2043. # [17:25] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8e1d53f295a - Vicamo Yang - Bug 958782: follow-up for bug 1029866, rename AutoJSAPI::InitUsingWin() to Init(). CLOSED TREE
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2045. # [17:25] <vicamo> RyanVM: and my local build succeeded, too
2046. # [17:25] <RyanVM> vicamo: thank you very much
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2048. # [17:25] <vicamo> RyanVM: sorry for the inconvence made :(
2049. # [17:26] <RyanVM> vicamo: not your fault! Just bad timing :)
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2055. # [17:28] <mstange> RyanVM: did you see the star on the "B2G ICS Emulator Opt" R7 on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=990efda77488 ?
2056. # [17:29] <RyanVM> mstange: good to know
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2058. # [17:29] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty ^
2059. # [17:29] <bbondy> catlee: so I assume the only media addons returned will be the ones for the OS matching the ping request. Also can we just return the versions that are applicable? If so I think the version field in that schema is just extra info and will not be used for anything meaningful on the client side.
2060. # [17:29] <edmorley|sheriffduty> vicamo: thank you :-)
2061. # [17:30] <vicamo> edmorley: no, thank you :)
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2063. # [17:30] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: heh, I was just going to deal with it in the same bug, hence leave-open
2064. # [17:30] * Gijs already has a patch
2065. # [17:30] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: but thanks anyway - I'll just stick it in on the new bug you filed. ;)
2066. # [17:30] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: sorry had missed that
2067. # [17:31] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: happy either way
2068. # [17:31] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: no worries!
2069. # [17:31] <Gijs> bugs are cheap
2070. # [17:31] <bbondy> catlee: I guess latest version can always be returned only and I can check if that's already installed locally from the last installed version.
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2078. # [17:32] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: and there's like half a dozen places it needs to be added, depending on how pre-emptive we want to be :-)
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2081. # [17:32] <Gijs> wait what?
2082. # [17:32] <Gijs> I thought just prefs_general.js was enough?
2083. # [17:32] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1023483#c0 \o/
2084. # [17:33] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: although this one is quite specific, so we are presumably unlikely to hit it in many suites
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2086. # [17:33] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: I would expect this to be unnecessary for js and reftests, yeah
2087. # [17:33] * Gijs looks at the list again
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2089. # [17:34] <Gijs> or talos
2090. # [17:34] <Gijs> what's using profile.py ?
2091. # [17:34] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: in related news, until this week talos was submitting to telemetry.m.o, since it doesn't use prefs_general.js \o/
2092. # [17:34] * Gijs cries
2093. # [17:34] <Gijs> yay, skewed data
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2095. # [17:35] <edmorley|sheriffduty> speaking of which I should file the bug for figuring out if it has skewed things
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2099. # [17:36] <glob> edmorley|sheriffduty, haha
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2101. # [17:36] <edmorley|sheriffduty> it might be filtered out server side (or by releng ACLs), I don't know
2102. # [17:36] <edmorley|sheriffduty> but it still seems suboptimal
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2104. # [17:36] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: so what tests use mozprofile.py and don't use prefs_general.js ?
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2106. # [17:36] * Gijs has tried to get MXR to answer this question and it sucks at doing that
2107. # [17:37] * jmaher wonders if mozmill tests use prefs_general.js
2108. # [17:37] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: I don't know, sorry #ateam might
2109. # [17:37] <whimboo> jmaher: what's that?
2110. # [17:37] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Gijs: perhaps just change the obvious places and I'll leave it to bug 1023483 to sync them all up as part of pulling into a central location
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2112. # [17:37] <jmaher> whimboo: what preferences does mozmill use?
2113. # [17:38] <whimboo> jmaher: all stuff which is in mozprofile for Firefox
2114. # [17:38] <jmaher> edmorley|sheriffduty: once we get the safebrowsing issue fixed, we can deploy a new talos to fix the remaining issues
2115. # [17:38] <whimboo> jmaher: so what is it doing?
2116. # [17:38] <jmaher> whimboo: but what preferences? mochitest relies on prefs_general.js in the tree
2117. # [17:38] <jmaher> whimboo: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/profiles/prefs_general.js
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2119. # [17:38] <Gijs> edmorley|sheriffduty: don't see any other URI stuff in mozprofile... although it does disable telemetry wholesale
2120. # [17:39] <Gijs> oh
2121. # [17:39] <Gijs> that was a lie
2122. # [17:39] <Gijs> it has a URI for FHR
2123. # [17:39] * Gijs looks for a wall to bash his head against
2124. # [17:39] <whimboo> jmaher: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mozbase/mozprofile/mozprofile/profile.py#312
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2127. # [17:40] <jmaher> Gijs: did you see that link ^ from whimboo
2128. # [17:40] <Gijs> yes
2129. # [17:40] <Gijs> but that still doesn't answer whether it uses prefs_general or not
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2131. # [17:41] <Gijs> ie, both of those, or only that list?
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2133. # [17:41] <Gijs> that list is a lot smaller than prefs_general.js
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2135. # [17:41] <jmaher> Gijs: I don't believe it does- these preferences are hard coded in mozprofile for specific application defaults
2136. # [17:41] * Gijs grumbles
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2141. # [17:42] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/bc4990836201 - Panos Astithas - Bug 931315 - Don't fail test_dbgsocket.js in case the socket connections time out. a=test-only
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2146. # [17:43] <Gijs> most of what's in mozprofile is subsumed by prefs_general anyway
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2148. # [17:43] <Gijs> should just get that file to be the default. :\
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2154. # [17:44] <catlee-lunch> bbondy: yeah, the plan was to always return the latest version
2155. # [17:44] <bbondy> k
2156. # [17:44] <catlee-lunch> rather than having the server do verison comparisons
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2163. # [17:47] <jmaher> Gijs: in the mozmill case it is a tool run outside of m-c
2164. # [17:48] <Gijs> jmaher: maybe so, but I'm sure we can work something out... :)
2165. # [17:48] <jmaher> :)
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2167. # [17:49] <drs> how do you get firebot in a new channel?
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2169. # [17:50] <glob> drs, you invite it
2170. # [17:50] <obsvr> m-c tpbl broken ? Hovering over completed builds (Green complete, i.e. hourly or 'N' Nightly is opening the buildlog not the ftp link
2171. # [17:50] <glob> drs, or ask me :)
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2173. # [17:50] <drs> glob: if I invite it, will it stick when it restarts?
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2175. # [17:50] <@bz> man
2176. # [17:50] <glob> drs, it should. i can check the config if you like
2177. # [17:50] <@bz> why is it that creating HTML changelogs is rocket science?
2178. # [17:50] <gregglind> on osx, is firefox 'selected text' styling handled by cocoa, and thus not really stylable?
2179. # [17:50] <@bz> These people are clearly even processing their changelog!
2180. # [17:50] <drs> glob: would you add it to #fxos-dialer please?
2181. # [17:51] <gregglind> (in input boxes for example, like find. etc.)
2182. # [17:51] <@bz> But just wrong
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2192. # [17:53] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/817b472a4354 - Ting-Yu Lin - Bug 951654 - Fix unable to locate element box0 intermittently. r=automatedtester, a=test-only
2193. # [17:53] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1b1a6e6a78ad - Yury Delendik - Bug 1027130 - Prevent font error when no preferred cmap table is found. a=sledru
2194. # [17:53] <RyanVM> obsvr: that's the regular behavior, no?
2195. # [17:53] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/44872d625d21 - Camilo Viecco - Bug 1015973 - Improve cert error decoding. r=keeler, a=abillings
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2197. # [17:53] <RyanVM> obsvr: you need to click the "go to build directory" link to go to the FTP
2198. # [17:53] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cbba93da839d - Douglas Crosher - Bug 1027476 - IonMonkey: (ARM) remove an unnecessary no-pool region in buildOOLFakeExitFrame(). r=jandem, a=sledru
2199. # [17:54] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a2a6f95c88c4 - Panos Astithas - Bug 931315 - Don't fail test_dbgsocket.js in case the socket connections time out. a=test-only
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2202. # [17:54] <obsvr> oh crap - nm, just came in from hot sun from mowing - must be brain dead - :P
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2205. # [17:55] <RyanVM> obsvr: thanks for the ping, though. Never hurts to check :)
2206. # [17:56] <obsvr> np
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2241. # [18:15] <mconley> bsmedberg: ping
2242. # [18:15] <@bsmedberg> mconley: pong
2243. # [18:16] <mconley> bsmedberg: hey - IPC / IPDL question for you, if you have a second; at the point of construction of some PFooParent, is its Manager() set yet? Or do I have to wait until construction is completed, or some later point?
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2245. # [18:16] <mconley> bsmedberg: I ask, because I'm trying to instantiate a PFooParent, and getting NULL for its Manager()...
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2250. # [18:17] <@bsmedberg> mconley: in the constructor the parent definitely isn't set yet
2251. # [18:17] <@bsmedberg> mconley: because we haven't sent or received the message for it
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2255. # [18:18] <mconley> bsmedberg: perhaps I should point you to a more concrete example - I have a WIP patch up for bug 1002354 - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8445891
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2257. # [18:18] <mconley> tl;dr - at roc's suggestion, I'm adding a proxy for nsIScreenManager for the content process, and creating PScreens that mirror the nsIScreens on the parent process side
2258. # [18:18] <@bsmedberg> mconley: really can't look now, sorry
2259. # [18:19] <mconley> bsmedberg: ok, no worries
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2274. # [18:30] <mmc> hey waldo, is MOZ_ALWAYS_TRUE the way to assert in non-debug builds?
2275. # [18:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/b7a8029273f5 - Chenxia Liu - Bug 1007130 - Add UI telemetry for 'Adding a new search engine' button. r=mfinkle
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2288. # [18:33] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/fbdfb0c35e8e - Martin Thomson - Bug 1021776 - Disable peerIdentity test on B2G. r=RyanVM, a=test-only
2289. # [18:34] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/de320a360e70 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 1005696 - Make sure test blocklist.xml isn't overwritten before use. r=Unfocused, a=test-only
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2345. # [18:57] <gps> bbouvier: see http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2013/11/08/using-mercurial-to-query-mozilla-metadata/ and http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2013/07/22/mercurial-extension-for-gecko-development/
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2347. # [18:57] <bbouvier> gps: oh thanks, finally i've found the mdn wiki page about mercurial and bookmarks, that helped a lot! made an alias as suggested, it works great
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2349. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f1531597f8e5 - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 991153: Move the FloatRegister structure to a per-architecture area. (r=jandem)
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2352. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9059eb73726 - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 991153: Split uses of temp allocations into explicit float32 and doubles (r=djvj)
2353. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/280c3dc518e3 - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 991153: Add machinery necessary for both register allocators to deal with aliased registers (r=bbouvier)
2354. # [18:58] <gps> bbouvier: great! my mozext extension does add a bit more magic though. I suggest you read up on it
2355. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edc3a023fafb - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 991153: Update LSRA to handle aliased registers (r=jandem)
2356. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/78b8c924d0ea - Marty Rosenberg - bug 991153: Update the backtracking allocator to handle aliased registers. (r=bhackett)
2357. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c35df65e8a75 - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 991153: Update the engine to be able to handle all 32 double registers on ARM (r=nbp)
2358. # [18:58] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4dbf6c8109d4 - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 991153: Make the types for sets of registers a per-type quantity (r=jandem)
2359. # [18:58] <bbouvier> gps: ha, will do for sure then
2360. # [18:59] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a7a5966a9672 - Marty Rosenberg - bug 991153: Add in code that lets safepoints work with up to 64 registers, specifically for VFP registers on ARM. (r=nbp)
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2437. # [19:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: inbound bustage
2438. # [19:28] <mjrosenb> uh-oh.
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2442. # [19:29] <efaust> froydnj, glandium: ping
2443. # [19:29] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|sheriffduty: wait... WHAT?
2444. # [19:29] <efaust> tbsaunde: ping
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2446. # [19:29] <tbsaunde> efaust: pong
2447. # [19:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: always my favorite ping response ;)
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2450. # [19:29] <efaust> tbsaunde: you did a bunch of constexpr work, right?
2451. # [19:29] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I'll get it fixed in like 2 minutes.
2452. # [19:30] <tbsaunde> efaust: yes
2453. # [19:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: I'm assuming the Hf and Windows bustage are both the same issue?
2454. # [19:30] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/a4b0020e343c - Mike de Boer - Bug 1022725: Rename BingTranslation to BingTranslator and allow overriding URLs. r=florian, a=gavin
2455. # [19:30] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/13c4804465d6 - Mike de Boer - Bug 1022725: add a mock httpd.js Translation provider for tests. r=florian,felipe, a=gavin.
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2457. # [19:30] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|sheriffduty: likely.
2458. # [19:30] <efaust> tbsaunde: OK, so I'm trying to add annotations to a bunch of things to remove statin initializers. Do you know if I need to MOZ_CONSTEXPR_VAR the instance, or just MOZ_CONSTEXPR the constructor?
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2461. # [19:32] <mkaply> It's been a while since I've done Mozilla C/C++, so please don't make fun of me. Is there a Mozilla way to convert a PRUInt32 to a CString?
2462. # [19:32] <tbsaunde> efaust: certainly the ctor needs to be MOZ_CONSTEXPR
2463. # [19:32] <mreavy> bz: ping
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2465. # [19:32] <tbsaunde> efaust: you may need MOZ_CONSTEXPR_VAR on the instance, but I think it kind of depends, maybe only if there's an assignment or something like that
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2467. # [19:33] <efaust> tbsaunde: hmm, do you know who would have this domain-specific knowledge?
2468. # [19:33] * efaust has weak C++ fu
2469. # [19:33] <tbsaunde> efaust: me, I'd just try first MOZ_CONSTEXPR, and see if that's enough and if not add the other
2470. # [19:33] <@bz> mreavy: ack
2471. # [19:34] <tbsaunde> efaust: froydnj probably , though I'd expect him to have to go read the spec
2472. # [19:34] <tbsaunde> at which point its easier to just try one and see what the compiler does
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2474. # [19:34] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|sheriffduty: whee, rebasing failure, *and* I only built debug shells to test my changes c.c
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2476. # [19:34] <efaust> tbsaunde: how do I even verify if a static initializer is running?
2477. # [19:34] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d89fd3f8f4dc - Marty Rosenberg - bug 991153: move definition of aliases out of #ifdef DEBUG (r=red) on a CLOSED TREE
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2479. # [19:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: thanks
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2481. # [19:36] <bjacob> efaust: in my limited understanding (i wondered about removal of static initializers for bug 987290) what you want is to ensure that your type is a literal type as in http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/type_traits/is_literal_type/
2482. # [19:36] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/e75326ce053e - Victor Porof - Bug 1029559 - The framerate front should have a means of clamping the generated values (relanded), r=pbrosset
2483. # [19:36] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/85c88938e520 - Victor Porof - Bug 1023525 - Make the canvas, webgl and webaudio actors also be global actors, r=jsantell
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2485. # [19:37] <bjacob> efaust: note that mfbt/tests/TestTypedEnum.cpp has a MOZ_HAVE_IS_LITERAL check
2486. # [19:37] <tbsaunde> efaust: if a fille.cpp has a static initializer there's _GLOBAL__sub_I_file.cpp in teh .o
2487. # [19:38] <bjacob> efaust: std::is_literal_type<T>::value tells you if your type is good
2488. # [19:38] <efaust> tbsaunde: OK, thanks. I'll look into it.
2489. # [19:38] <bjacob> tbsaunde: ah, good tip, did not know that
2490. # [19:39] <tbsaunde> bjacob: my standard way of dealing with static initializers is basically read that function
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2493. # [19:39] <efaust> bjacob: hmm, that might be hard to do. There's a destructor, but the thing's at global scope, and I really don't care if it's called at exit. I just don't want to pay constructor costs on b2g boot
2494. # [19:39] <bjacob> tbsaunde: that's a great way and guaranteed to work, thanks!
2495. # [19:39] <bjacob> efaust: i see
2496. # [19:40] <efaust> but I can check that thing and see where I am
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2498. # [19:40] <efaust> so that's a good first attempt
2499. # [19:40] <tbsaunde> efaust: if you have a non trivial dtor then you loose, because the compiler will always generate a static ctor to setup the static dtor
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2504. # [19:41] <efaust> tbsaunde: ah, but it's an assert-only dtor, so I should get the lack of ctor/dtor pair in opt builds
2505. # [19:41] <efaust> I don't care about static initializers in debug
2506. # [19:41] <tbsaunde> efaust: I think you might need to ifndef the dtor then, but yes
2507. # [19:42] <efaust> tbsaunde: the compiler isn't smart enough to know that the funciton body is empty? It just looks for a definition?
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2511. # [19:43] <tbsaunde> efaust: I think it may be that defining what the compiler would have defined for you makes it non trivial?
2512. # [19:43] <bjacob> tbsaunde: i think empty body is fine, though i would not swear it
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2514. # [19:43] <efaust> WE CAN TEST THIS!
2515. # [19:43] <efaust> and I shall
2516. # [19:43] <efaust> thanks so much for your help, tbsaunde :)
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2520. # [19:44] <tbsaunde> efaust: np
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2524. # [19:45] <tbsaunde> efaust: bjacob gcc certainly believes explicitly defining the empty dtor makes it non trivial, but I didn't check if it also made there be a static ctor
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2531. # [19:46] <tbsaunde> also note b2g probably doesn't have constexpr most of the time
2532. # [19:46] <bjacob> tbsaunde: rigtht, is_trivially_destructible is going to be affected by an empty body, but that doesnt imply anything about static initializers
2533. # [19:47] <efaust> tbsaunde: I just know froydnj came trying to do this a while ago, and I told him not to, so I'm fixing it a different way
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2535. # [19:47] <bjacob> tbsaunde: we mark constexpr as available on GCC >= 4.6 which means b2g JS/KK but not ICS
2536. # [19:47] <bjacob> er, JB
2537. # [19:48] <bjacob> see in mfbt/Attributes.h
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2551. # [19:52] <tbsaunde> bjacob: I know, I'm just under the impression b2g is mostly ics?
2552. # [19:53] <bjacob> tbsaunde: ICS is the majority of configs on TBPL and even more so in what we ship, yes
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2586. # [20:09] <froydnj> efaust: late pong
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2595. # [20:12] <efaust> froydnj: see discussion above. I think I have it figured out. I just want to make sure I annotate the right things.
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2598. # [20:15] <froydnj> efaust: looks right, I think; see also http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/StaticPtr.h#41
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2601. # [20:15] <froydnj> efaust: and companion http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/StaticPtr.h#79
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2605. # [20:16] <efaust> froydnj: awesome. I shouldn't need MOZ_CONSTEXPR_VAR, then?
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2607. # [20:17] <froydnj> efaust: shouldn't be necessary, no
2608. # [20:18] <efaust> perfect
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2619. # [20:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: not offhand, but it doesn't stand out in my memory as anything common either
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2709. # [20:51] <froydnj> do we have a specific list for nss issues? dev-security?
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2712. # [20:53] <@gavin> froydnj: https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/nss-dev ?
2713. # [20:53] <@gavin> froydnj: or https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-crypto ?
2714. # [20:53] <@gavin> not sure of difference
2715. # [20:53] <froydnj> gavin: aha, wasn't showing up on http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/
2716. # [20:54] <froydnj> "The current archive is only available to the list members."
2717. # [20:54] <froydnj> bleh
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2730. # [21:01] <dholbert> In C++, is there a way to prevent "delete" from being called on a pointer of a particular superclass type?
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2732. # [21:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: so this is happening on inbound - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42462424&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2733. # [21:01] <froydnj> dholbert: see bug 581204
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2737. # [21:02] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: argh
2738. # [21:02] <Waldo> froydnj: you're aware C++ says it's perfectly fine to fall off the end of int main(), right, with return-0 implied in that case?
2739. # [21:02] <froydnj> Waldo: boo for standards, then
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2741. # [21:03] <froydnj> wtf is sync doing digging around in NSS internals
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2745. # [21:05] <@bz> This concept of "internals" whereof you speak
2746. # [21:06] <tbsaunde> froydnj: the insides are the tastiest part!
2747. # [21:07] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok to try and land a hotfix, or are you itching to reopen?
2748. # [21:07] <dholbert> froydnj, hmm. So I'm wondering about a situation with e.g.:
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2750. # [21:07] <dholbert> concrete class Foo derives from abstract class Bar. We may have Bar* pointers, which point to an instance of class Foo, but we want to be sure that no one can call "delete" on those Bar*'s. [Motivation: this means Foo can have a non-virtual destructor, because we know it'll only be deleted via an explicit calls to "delete fooInstance" (in ::Release, in the case I'm looking at)]
2751. # [21:07] <Waldo> bz: the private fields inside the C structs, he means
2752. # [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: how sure of it are you?
2753. # [21:07] <Waldo> bz: and private inheritance too, of course
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2756. # [21:08] <dholbert> froydnj, the bug you referenced seems to be about preventing deletion of smart pointers (preventing the smart pointer from being implicitly cast to a normal pointer, for the purpose of a delete call?), but maybe its magic is applicable to the scenario I'm describing too?
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2759. # [21:09] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I'm sure it'd fix that error
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2761. # [21:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: k, push away then
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2763. # [21:11] <froydnj> dholbert: hm, I'm not sure it'd have quite the desired effect on non-pointer-wrapper classes
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2767. # [21:14] <NeilAway> dholbert: does protected destructor do what you want there?
2768. # [21:15] <dholbert> NeilAway, it helps, but isn't a guarantee
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2770. # [21:15] <dholbert> perhaps MOZ_DELETE on the superclass destructor will do what I want?
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2772. # [21:15] <NeilAway> dholbert: private operator delete?
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2777. # [21:16] <dholbert> NeilAway, (maybe; I imagine friend classes could still have access, though that may be over-worrying)
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2779. # [21:16] <dholbert> I think MOZ_DELETE might be a foolproof way to do it, but I'm not 100% sure
2780. # [21:16] <NeilAway> dholbert: yeah, perhaps you could delete operator delete
2781. # [21:17] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/ea786f80e0d0 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 1017806 - Record and report on optional branches of experiments, so that each experiment doesn't have to re-invent data collection. r=gfritzsche
2782. # [21:17] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcd72aabb661 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 1025998 - also export symbols groveled out of NSS by ctypes; r=me to reopen this CLOSED TREE
2783. # [21:17] <dholbert> froydnj, will MOZ_DELETE on ~Bar() turn "delete barPtr;" into a compile error? Or just a no-op?
2784. # [21:18] <froydnj> dholbert: I'd expect it to be a compile error
2785. # [21:18] <dholbert> [no-op beyond the memory-freeing aspect, I mean]
2786. # [21:18] <dholbert> froydnj, cool, that might be what I want then
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2789. # [21:18] <froydnj> dholbert: I'm not sure how a MOZ_DELETE'd superclass destructor interacts with subclasses, though
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2792. # [21:18] <dholbert> froydnj, gotcha
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2810. # [21:23] <froydnj> seems like if you need that...
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2822. # [21:31] <Waldo> dholbert: deleting the destructor is not going to work
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2825. # [21:31] <Waldo> dholbert: you could delete operator delete, tho
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2844. # [21:40] <dholbert> Waldo, ok
2845. # [21:41] <dholbert> Waldo, I think we might want to do this sort of thing for all superclasses of concrete refcounted objects, generally
2846. # [21:41] <Waldo> basically if you delete the destructor, I think it's the case that you can't construct instances of that class at all unless they're never destroyed
2847. # [21:42] <dholbert> Waldo, makes sense, yeah. I was worried about that
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2868. # [21:48] <@bz> gps: do you have a sec for a merge/mq question?
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2875. # [21:52] <gps> bz: yes
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2878. # [21:52] <@bz> gps: so the background is that I am typically working on 3-4 separate things that might well interact with each other
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2880. # [21:53] <@bz> gps: But are not strictly sequenced in the sense that one _must_ land before the other.
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2882. # [21:53] <@bz> gps: So it's not uncommon for me to have self-conflicts
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2887. # [21:54] <@bz> gps: So in practice it's not uncommon for me to qpush and get conflicts.
2888. # [21:54] <gps> pretty common with mq
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2890. # [21:54] <gps> so, here's what you need to do
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2892. # [21:54] <@bz> gps: at which point I can either resolve them if the patch being qpushed is actually the one I need to deal with
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2894. # [21:54] <@bz> Let me finish!
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2896. # [21:54] <gps> :)
2897. # [21:54] * @bz is so not done presenting the problem. ;)
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2899. # [21:55] <@bz> Or if it's just incidentally there on the path to the thing I really want right this second I can qpop and reorder
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2902. # [21:56] <@bz> Fwiw, my typical workflow for resolving the conflicts involves opening up the patch file and the source I'm trying to apply it to and editing the former as needed.
2903. # [21:56] <@bz> I'll wait for you to finish crying now. ;)
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2905. # [21:56] <gps> :)
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2911. # [21:56] <@bz> Anyway, the upshot is that in the merge conflict case there is a trivial way for me to recover back to "clean source tree, patch not applied"
2912. # [21:56] <@bz> just qpop
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2915. # [21:57] <@bz> from there I can either update to a rev I know it applies to and then rebase or edit the patch file or qpush again and resolve the conflicts
2916. # [21:57] <gps> brb - phone call
2917. # [21:57] <@bz> Or some combination of these!
2918. # [21:57] <@bz> So in particular, I can edit the patch to get rid of some of the conflicts, then manually deal with the remaining rej bits
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2920. # [21:58] <@bz> So effectively what I get is a way to back out of a rebase entirely, or do only part of the rebase, save the state and back out
2921. # [21:58] <@bz> And then pick it up later as needed
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2923. # [21:59] <@bz> And I can (and do) apply several different stragies to resolving the conflicts
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2932. # [22:01] <gps> bz: there's a lot to tease out here
2933. # [22:01] <Waldo> bz: you don't just qpu them and deal with .rej bits manually? seems easier/less error-prone than editing patch files manually
2934. # [22:01] <@bz> gps: Sure
2935. # [22:01] <gps> first, you can avoid the stupid .rej files with mq altogether by using `hg qpush --exact`
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2938. # [22:02] <gps> --exact will apply the patch only to its known parent
2939. # [22:02] <@bz> gps: well, but I want to apply to tip
2940. # [22:02] <gps> by definition there shouldn't be a merge
2941. # [22:02] <gps> right
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2943. # [22:02] <@bz> gps: because usually it's just fine, and in general I do want to rebase my stuff forward as I go
2944. # [22:02] * bobowen|afk is now known as bobowen
2945. # [22:02] <gps> so, once you have all your mq patches applied, you can use `hg rebase` or `hg histedit` to reorder things
2946. # [22:02] <@bz> Sure
2947. # [22:02] <gps> but you were saying you want to reshuffling to be temporary?
2948. # [22:02] <@bz> Keep in mind that I have pretty negative past experiences with hg rebase... ;)
2949. # [22:03] * @bz therefore has a probably irrational fear of it.
2950. # [22:03] <@bz> But let's ignore that; I can sort that out.
2951. # [22:03] <gps> you should overcome that fear
2952. # [22:03] <gps> if you are just reordering, I'd use histedit
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2954. # [22:03] <@bz> The part I really care about is the ability to partially perform a merge, save the state, then back out of it
2955. # [22:03] <@bz> Then come back to it later
2956. # [22:04] <gps> if this is really common, we could probably come up with an alias or extension that made "move patch to base position" a one-liner
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2958. # [22:04] <gps> a ha
2959. # [22:04] <@bz> And ideally automate some things
2960. # [22:04] <gps> ok, this is where obsolescence and changeset evolution will save you
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2963. # [22:05] <@bz> so if my rebase is failing because someone renamed some function all over the place....
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2965. # [22:05] <@bz> Being able to just replace-string on mq patches is nice. ;)
2966. # [22:05] <@bz> (this happens pretty often)
2967. # [22:05] <gps> so, unless you have obsolesce enabled (the feature that tracks history rewriting), the default mercurial behavior on history rewriting is to strip the old commits and save them to a backup bundle
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2970. # [22:05] <gps> when obsolescence is enabled, those old changes persist in the local repo - they are just in a hidden state
2971. # [22:06] <gps> if you undo the *exact* reshuffling of patches, the sha-1 should be identical and the old changesets will become unhidden
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2973. # [22:07] * @bz is not sure how this relates to partial merges
2974. # [22:07] <gps> if you don't undo the exact content, you can "revive" old changesets by doing `hg touch`
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2977. # [22:08] * @bz also has some other workflow questions but wanted to get this one sorted first
2978. # [22:08] <gps> bz: you can always go to #mercurial on Freenode and ask the core team. they love hearing from Mozillians
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2981. # [22:09] <gps> or the mailing list - http://selenic.com/mailman/listinfo/mercurial
2982. # [22:10] <@bz> ok
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2984. # [22:10] <@bz> So the other two questions:
2985. # [22:10] <gps> can I grab lunch first?
2986. # [22:10] <@bz> Sure
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2988. # [22:10] * @bz will be here for another ~50 mins
2989. # [22:10] <gps> I should be back in 30
2990. # [22:11] * gps is super hungry
2991. # [22:11] <johns> ( should I describe how to do this all in git before he gets back? )
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2994. # [22:12] <@bz> Sure
2995. # [22:12] <@bz> My experience with git is that it takes 3-4 commands to get into a state where you need expert help for 30 minutes before they tell you to rm -rf the repo and reclone
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3000. # [22:14] <johns> the git ui is definitely less friendly, but it's usually pretty hard to actually lose any data without | rm .git/... |
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3003. # [22:14] <johns> I was partly trolling gps who has strong opinions on doing this in git :-P
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3005. # [22:14] <johns> but in git when you rebase a branch all the pre-rebase commits are still alive and recorded in the reflog
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3007. # [22:15] <johns> including partial/aborted rebases
3008. # [22:15] * qDot hugs the reflog
3009. # [22:15] <qDot> It's my best friend.
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3013. # [22:15] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/d41a6d09ccd6 - Shane Caraveo - Bug 1029098 support global sidebar state for users who do not turn on restore session state, r=felipe
3014. # [22:16] <@bz> johns: so my experience with rebase, in both git and mercurial, is that I get dropped back at my prompt with conflict markers all over my files
3015. # [22:16] <@bz> johns: and then what?
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3017. # [22:16] <johns> bz: You can configure a merge-tool in your .gitconfig, then type "git mergetool" to auto pass the conflicting files to one, e.g. emacs ediff-three-way-merge or vimdiff merge mode
3018. # [22:17] <@bz> Sure
3019. # [22:17] <@bz> That doesn't really address the code issue, though
3020. # [22:17] <johns> bz: I have it setup to launch meld with three tabs, showing the changes that happened under me, the changes the patch applies, and the three-way diff
3021. # [22:17] <johns> that makes it easy to fix the conflict, then resume the rebase
3022. # [22:17] <@bz> How do I address some of the merge conflicts, then save that work
3023. # [22:17] <@bz> then back out to a clean tip tree.
3024. # [22:17] <Mook_as> (for git, you might want to look into `git rerere` for tracking repeatedly resolving the same conflicts)
3025. # [22:17] <@bz> Then later when I have time resume the rebase work
3026. # [22:17] * gaye|bbiab is now known as gaye
3027. # [22:18] <@bz> Mook_as: ah, nice
3028. # [22:18] <johns> bz: gps would be better able to answer that for hg (i don't know) but in git you can either use git-rerere which records conflict resolutions, or even just commit your work-in-progress fix and |git rebase --abort|
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3030. # [22:19] <johns> |git reflog| would show the actions of e.g. "{2} rebase ... {1} committed WIP merge ... {0} aborted rebase"
3031. # [22:20] <johns> |git stash| is a convenience script for commiting a WIP as well
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3034. # [22:21] <@bz> OK
3035. # [22:21] * rail is now known as rail-mtg
3036. # [22:22] <@bz> So what's the equivalent of doing a sed search-and-replace on mq?
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3038. # [22:22] <@bz> (see rebasing across s/PRBool/bool/)
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3040. # [22:22] <nemo> hm. Anyone here have a reddit account? I wanna see if I can get a bz post to beat out some downvotes ☺
3041. # [22:22] <nemo> s/post/comment/
3042. # [22:22] * nemo ← fanboi
3043. # [22:23] <johns> bz: there's -G and -S to match commits that introduce/touch lines containing certain regexes, if you really want to just edit a raw patch file, you can do |git format-patch <commit>| to get a .patch, then just edit it and |git apply| it back
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3046. # [22:23] <johns> so for instance if you want to do a mq-style grep on all .patch files from a local branch, you could do |mkdir temp && git format-patch @{u}^.. -o temp| to get a .patch series
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3050. # [22:24] <@bz> johns: ah, that brings up another issue!
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3053. # [22:24] <@bz> johns: So right now I just have an alias for grepping all my mqs across all trees to find where I put the patch for a particular bug
3054. # [22:24] * @bz is not quite sure how to do that in either the git or hg-without-mq world.
3055. # [22:24] <johns> bz: Commit message or patch content?
3056. # [22:24] <@bz> I grep on the bug# typically
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3060. # [22:25] <johns> bz: So I'd make an alias like | git log --not central --branches --grep |
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3062. # [22:26] <johns> bz: Which would get log messages for all branches, excluding, say, central or any other local branch you have that isn't a work branch
3063. # [22:26] <@bz> johns: hmm
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3066. # [22:26] <johns> You can make aliases with shell scripts or just: git config alias.localfind "log --not central --branches --grep"
3067. # [22:26] <@bz> johns: how does that solve my problem?
3068. # [22:27] <johns> bz: well that alias would grep for your bug # in all local branches
3069. # [22:27] <@bz> johns: And output what?
3070. # [22:27] <nalexander> bz: johns: I use |git push-to-hg|; for some things, a pile of patches is the best option. sed s/// across many patches is one of them.
3071. # [22:27] * @bz thinks he didn't explain the problem clearly
3072. # [22:28] <@bz> I have a dozen trees
3073. # [22:28] <@bz> Each of which has several different patches against it
3074. # [22:28] * stephend is now known as stephend|mtg
3075. # [22:28] <@bz> In git parlance, multiple trees, each with several feature branches
3076. # [22:28] <johns> bz: oh, multiple actual trees
3077. # [22:28] <@bz> I can't keep track of which tree a particular patch is in
3078. # [22:28] <@bz> because there are just too friggin' many of them
3079. # [22:29] <johns> bz: Well you can have multiple trees that are all sharing an underlying repo in git, which is what I do for having multiple checkouts for not clobbering builds
3080. # [22:29] <Callek|Buildduty> bz: http://blog.drapostles.org/archives/126
3081. # [22:29] <Callek|Buildduty> bz: that may be helpful for you
3082. # [22:29] <nemo> bz: why does mozilla use separate repos instead of branches, anyway?
3083. # [22:29] <@bz> grep -r -l !:1 ~/mozilla/*/mozilla/.hg/patches*
3084. # [22:29] <johns> bz: or you could have a "meta" repo that sets all your trees as remotes, then do |git fetch --all && git log --remotes --grep ... |
3085. # [22:29] <@bz> is what I use to find the right tree
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3087. # [22:29] <@bz> it will print out the path to the mq file, which conveniently contains the path to the srcdir
3088. # [22:30] <@bz> johns: hmm
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3090. # [22:30] <@bz> johns: multiple trees against one underlying repo may be the way to go
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3092. # [22:30] <@bz> johns: maybe
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3094. # [22:30] <@bz> nemo: you mean for aurora/etc?
3095. # [22:30] <nemo> btw. this is currently on PMO http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2014/06/23/please-stop-using-mq/
3096. # [22:30] <johns> bz: Or a more crude solution for either hg or git: for tree in ~/mozilla/*/.git; do ( cd "$tree"/.. && if [ git log --grep $bug ]; then echo "found in $tree"; fi; ); done
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3098. # [22:31] <nemo> bz: yeah actually. that post brings it up
3099. # [22:31] <@bz> johns: Need to think on this
3100. # [22:31] <nemo> bz: he's a bit unfair on git vs mercurial branches. mercurial supports lightweight branches too these days
3101. # [22:31] <@bz> nemo: Yes, that post is why I brought this up.
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3103. # [22:32] <nemo> ah
3104. # [22:32] * @bz also has the "how do I back up things without backing up the entire huge repo" question....
3105. # [22:32] <nemo> I don't think I'm yet sold on rewriting history btw
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3108. # [22:32] <dholbert> nemo, it's ok; when you are sold, you can go back in time and erase the fact that you said that
3109. # [22:33] <johns> ^
3110. # [22:33] <nemo> haha
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3112. # [22:34] <nemo> anyway. I would love to have something like http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/GitConcepts#Branch_model in the other direction, to get me used to git
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3115. # [22:34] <nemo> I keep doing things like trying to do git diff -c somehash and not getting what I expect at all 'cause the history appears to be non-linear
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3125. # [22:37] <johns> bz: Back up which? unpublished commits/patches?
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3127. # [22:37] <johns> since in a rebase workflow those are all proper commits, you can have a github/bitbucket clone of m-c you can periodically push your working branches to
3128. # [22:37] <NeilAway> bz++
3129. # [22:37] <johns> or just a home PC or somesuch
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3138. # [22:40] <krit> bz: Hi. We used ArrayClass for DOMRectList in Geometry Interfaces before… which partly addresses some concerns raised… heycam|away asked us to remove [ArrayClass] again because there were some concerns… do you know more?
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3142. # [22:43] <KWierso|sheriffduty> froydnj: inbound tip is still failing in xpcshell :(
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3145. # [22:44] <@bz> krit: I have no idea
3146. # [22:44] <@bz> krit: Gecko has it as ArrayClass
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3148. # [22:45] <@bz> krit: and has since Firefox 27
3149. # [22:45] <krit> bz: yes, I know. I told heycam|away but he thought it would be more likely that Gecko changes the implementation
3150. # [22:45] <@bz> johns: yes, unpublished patches
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3152. # [22:45] <@bz> johns: across multiple trees
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3154. # [22:45] <@bz> johns: ideally with patch versioning, etc
3155. # [22:46] <@bz> krit: <shrug>
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3157. # [22:46] <@bz> krit: I think ArrayClass is a good idea here; I'd need to see what the concerns are to change anything
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3162. # [22:46] <briansmith> KWierso|sheriffduty: I think Android 4.0 xpcshell is broken for a different reason
3163. # [22:46] <@bz> johns: I don't want these patches in public on github/bitbucket
3164. # [22:47] <@bz> johns: where "public" includes github/butbucket seeing them
3165. # [22:47] <krit> bz: ok, thanks
3166. # [22:47] <briansmith> KWierso|sheriffduty: probably 8a3fb8fc4d29 Monica Chew – Bug 1029781
3167. # [22:47] <@bz> johns: and I don't have another pc to push to
3168. # [22:47] <@bz> johns: I mean, I can push to an external hard drive
3169. # [22:47] <@bz> johns: but that doesn't get me versioning and the like
3170. # [22:48] <johns> bz: Do you just want another copy of everything in case of hardware failure or rm * accidents, or are you worried about losing past versions of things?
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3174. # [22:48] <@bz> johns: "yes"
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3177. # [22:50] <johns> bz: well, for the latter, rebase workflows generally keep alive all previous versions of the commits in the tree in a way that is purposefully difficult to delete, which is one of the arguments against tracking patches as external manually-managed files
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3179. # [22:50] <johns> bz: For the former, I would say yes you would just clone your repo to another HDD or some such, but if space is a real concern there's ways around that
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3181. # [22:51] <@bz> repos
3182. # [22:51] <@bz> dozen or so of them
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3184. # [22:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/a01f75ad4fbe - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 1 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
3185. # [22:51] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/dd27c1a8e218 - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
3186. # [22:52] <johns> bz: well you can simply push all branches into a single "backup" repo and not duplicate the base repo 12 times
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3188. # [22:52] <johns> There's also an option to de-duplicate shared data between similar repos with hardlinks
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3191. # [22:53] <@bz> right
3192. # [22:53] <@bz> All of which is a lot more hassle. :(
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3195. # [22:53] * @bz is also not sure about multiple near-identical patches that need to live alongside and how to tell which is which, etc, with the one-repo setup...
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3198. # [22:53] <@bz> anyway
3199. # [22:53] <johns> bz: if you do e.g. | cd backup repo && git remote add ~/repos/a && git remote add ~/repos/b ... | and then |git fetch|, all local branches from all remotes are now preserved in the backup repo. Same with Hg
3200. # [22:53] <@bz> I guess more named branches is the answer
3201. # [22:54] <johns> and the path names would be remote/a/<branch> remote/b/<branch> etc
3202. # [22:54] <johns> or "ref names" or whathaveyou
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3204. # [22:55] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: sigh, going to back myself out
3205. # [22:55] <mbrubeck> smaug, kats, jimm: Trying to get organized on touch stuff; started a tracking page at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko/Touch
3206. # [22:55] <KWierso|sheriffduty> froydnj: thanks
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3208. # [22:56] <mbrubeck> I'm going to see if I can get mbest to drive some of this stuff...
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3211. # [22:57] <@smaug> mbrubeck: great, thanks!
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3216. # [22:58] <Gijs_away> KWierso|sheriffduty: froydnj: did you see briansmith's comment?
3217. # [22:58] <Gijs_away> (there's also windows orange, and I make no claim to know anything about what caused what here, but...)
3218. # [22:58] <froydnj> Gijs_away: no, where?
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3220. # [22:58] <Gijs_away> froydnj: 13 minutes ago
3221. # [22:58] <jimm> mbrubeck: another good reason why metrofx should have stayed around.. it's currently our most touch compliant browser. :)
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3223. # [22:59] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Gijs_away: android xpcshell failing for possibly some other reason is no reason not to back out windows xpcshell's continued failures :)
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3225. # [22:59] <Gijs_away> :)
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3227. # [22:59] <briansmith> Android 4.0 breakage probably is mmc's, the rest probably is froydnj's
3228. # [22:59] * Gijs_away points back to his no guarantee clause :P
3229. # [22:59] <Gijs_away> ok!
3230. # [22:59] <KWierso|sheriffduty> froydnj: android xpcshell is failing with https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=42470338&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
3231. # [22:59] <Gijs_away> just trying to make sure we don't back out for no reason
3232. # [22:59] * Gijs_away goes back to being away
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3238. # [23:01] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b124fea34d27 - Nathan Froyd - Backout bcd72aabb661, 1ed1c6212f4c, and 8d6f286139ef (bug 1025998) for xpcshell bustage leading to this CLOSED TREE
3239. # [23:01] <froydnj> KWierso|sheriffduty: ^ your call on what to do with the android bustage if that backout doesn't fix things
3240. # [23:01] <KWierso|sheriffduty> froydnj: okay, thanks
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3243. # [23:02] <gps> bz: and i'm back
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3248. # [23:03] <froydnj> KWierso|sheriffduty: sorry about that :(
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3250. # [23:03] <KWierso|sheriffduty> meh
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3259. # [23:05] <johns> gps is reading the backlog about git heresy as we speak
3260. # [23:05] * johns heads for cover
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3262. # [23:06] <gps> i didn't read the backlog
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3265. # [23:08] <gps> regarding the multiple trees comment, I've long wanted Mozilla to throw away inbound, fx-team, aurora, beta, etc and use a multi-headed tree
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3267. # [23:08] <gps> have branches for each gecko version. do releases from commits on that
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3269. # [23:08] <gps> have bookmarks track central, inbound, fx-team, etc
3270. # [23:08] <gps> over time, integration heads go away because autoland makes backouts a thing of the past
3271. # [23:09] <gps> without tree closures, we have no reason for integration repos/heads
3272. # [23:09] <gps> we have a mainline and old branches for tracking releases of old gecko/firefox
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3275. # [23:12] <@bz> gps: relevant part of the backlog...
3276. # [23:12] <@bz> gps: 1) I use grep over my patches to find which tree I put a given patch in
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3278. # [23:13] <@bz> gps: (multiple srcdirs against a single repo tree _might_ be a solution here, but would require adjusting a bunch of workflow)
3279. # [23:13] <@bz> gps: and it's not clear to me how to do what with hg anyway
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3281. # [23:13] <@bz> gps: 2) I've used sed over the patch files to deal with mass changes.
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3283. # [23:14] <@bz> gps: 3) I back up my various .hg/patches, but have no desire to back up entire repos, because those change a lot, all the time....
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3286. # [23:14] <gps> bz: did you see http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2013/11/08/using-mercurial-to-query-mozilla-metadata/ ?
3287. # [23:14] <@bz> gps: Yes.
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3289. # [23:15] <@bz> gps: How does that help the "find which tree" problem?
3290. # [23:15] <@bz> gps: unless the suggestion is to "hg log -r 'bug(N)'" on each of those trees
3291. # [23:16] <@bz> gps: in which case my next question is how fast that is
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3293. # [23:16] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/9ef3bd020eed - Chenxia Liu - Bug 1029834 - Make contextmenu/menu telemetry more consistent. r=mfinkle
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3298. # [23:16] <gps> bz: my extension uses a sqlite database - it is pretty fast
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3300. # [23:16] <@bz> gps: OK, let me rephrase
3301. # [23:17] <@bz> gps: how long does it take to run across a dozen local trees?
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3303. # [23:17] * @bz is not even worrying about the ones on the network share for now
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3305. # [23:17] <gps> -r 'not local()' is also useful for finding non-published changesets
3306. # [23:17] <gps> so, one of the biggest productivity wins I got was unifying my trees
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3308. # [23:18] <gps> managing multiple clones of the logical repo is wasteful
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3310. # [23:18] <gps> i didn't realize how bad it was until i switched away
3311. # [23:18] <gps> i really need to write a post on my workflow
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3315. # [23:19] <gps> for backup, I /think/ `hg export -r 'not public()'` should suffice
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3317. # [23:19] <josh> anyone else seeing two-finger scrolling on a MacBook Air occassionally cease working until Firefox is restarted?
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3319. # [23:21] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/8c6db88a9f9d - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
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3323. # [23:23] <poiru> josh: Yes, see
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3327. # [23:23] <poiru> josh: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1008365#c3
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3334. # [23:28] <gps> bz: or `hg bundle -r 'not public()'`
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3341. # [23:30] <mmc> KWierso|sheriffduty, just saw briansmith's comment
3342. # [23:31] <KWierso|sheriffduty> mmc: any chance that android failure is you?
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3344. # [23:31] <mmc> bug 1029781 may be the culprit
3345. # [23:31] <mmc> in fact, i think it is
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3347. # [23:32] <mmc> xpcshell/tests/image/test/unit/test_async_notification_404.js
3348. # [23:32] <@bz> gps: Can I use a single repo with multiple srcdirs?
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3350. # [23:32] <KWierso|sheriffduty> mmc: I'll back it out, then. Thanks for the confirmation :)
3351. # [23:32] <mmc> thanks kwierso, sorry i missed that message earlier
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3353. # [23:32] <@bz> gps: because what I really need are multiple srcirs/objdir, not necessarily multiple repo trees
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3357. # [23:33] <@bz> gps: more precisely I need multiple srcdirs and multiple objdirs per srcdir
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3360. # [23:34] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d4dcd761df9 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 8a3fb8fc4d29 (bug 1029781) for android XPCShell failures on a CLOSED TREE
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3362. # [23:34] <gps> bz: you can have multiple working copies from the same hg repo with the "share" extension
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3364. # [23:34] <gps> but if you use mq, you are going to have a bad time
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3367. # [23:36] <@bz> gps: well, if I use mq I can just have several repos; it's not an issue
3368. # [23:36] <@bz> gps: This would be in the hypothetical world when I stop using mq and totally change all my workflow somehow
3369. # [23:37] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/9f9f2b1a1cbf - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia revision(s) a=gaia-bump
3370. # [23:37] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/ffa21babf90c - B2G Bumper Bot - Bumping manifests a=b2g-bump
3371. # [23:37] <gps> bz: i haven't used share since giving up mq. I /think/ it will work. but you may want to ask in #mercurial on Freenode or on the mailing lists
3372. # [23:38] <gps> err, I haven't used share for multi-checkout scenarios where writing is involved
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3375. # [23:38] <gps> anything that deletes changesets has the potential to screw up share's state
3376. # [23:38] <gps> mq, rebase with obsolescence, etc
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3378. # [23:39] <gps> rebase w/o obsolescence
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3380. # [23:39] <gps> i should stop typing
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3382. # [23:39] <@bz> gps: mmm
3383. # [23:40] <@bz> gps: that's not ok for my purposes
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3385. # [23:40] <@bz> gps: multiple srcdirs is a must-have
3386. # [23:40] <@bz> gps: and obviously rebasing is a must-have
3387. # [23:40] <gps> unless you switch to changeset evolution, don't use share
3388. # [23:40] <@bz> ok
3389. # [23:40] <gps> and even then I'm not sure if it is safe yet
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3392. # [23:41] <@bz> So that means multiple repos
3393. # [23:41] <gps> yes
3394. # [23:41] <@bz> Which once again brings us back to sane automated encrypted off-site backups and finding which repo the fix for bug NN is in
3395. # [23:41] <@bz> Or rather which repos
3396. # [23:41] <@bz> since it might be in several
3397. # [23:41] <@bz> (in different forms)
3398. # [23:41] <gps> hmmm
3399. # [23:42] <@bz> I mean, right now I crashplan ~/mozilla/*/mozilla/.hg/patches
3400. # [23:42] <gps> you could write a hook that replicates local commits to a unified repo
3401. # [23:42] <@bz> which took about 2 mins to set up, and does what I want
3402. # [23:42] * rail is now known as rail_away
3403. # [23:43] <gps> not arguing with you :)
3404. # [23:43] <gps> i want to tell you to use share, but I don't think it is ready yet
3405. # [23:43] <@bz> Makes sense
3406. # [23:43] <@bz> Anyway
3407. # [23:43] <@bz> we'll see
3408. # [23:43] * @bz will probably hold on to his workflow until forced to change. ;)
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3410. # [23:43] <@bz> That's how it usually ends up working
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3412. # [23:44] <gps> path of least resistance
3413. # [23:44] <@bz> indeed
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3416. # [23:45] <@bz> ok, dinnertime
3417. # [23:45] <gps> i'll ask the hg community about the viability of share
3418. # [23:45] * bz is now known as bz_dinner
3419. # [23:45] <@bz_dinner> gps: Thanks!
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3421. # [23:47] <@khuey> it takes 8 minutes to run configure on my machine :(
3422. # [23:48] <shu> khuey: how long does it take to run "mach help"
3423. # [23:48] <gps> khuey: old machine or vm?
3424. # [23:48] <@khuey> gps: nope
3425. # [23:48] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/7a84bd4bb3da - Mike Habicher - Bug 1025197 - only clear the "recording hint" when switching to picture mode, r=dhylands
3426. # [23:49] <@khuey> shu: quite a while
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3428. # [23:50] <@khuey> shu: 28s
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3430. # [23:50] <shu> khuey: ouch
3431. # [23:50] <@khuey> admittedly there is a build running right now ...
3432. # [23:50] <shu> khuey: i remember that being unreasonably slow on windows
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