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  13. # [00:12] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d21e0728967 - John Sullivan - Bug 1067679 - Call DnsQuery in addition to getaddrinfo to get DNS TTL on Windows r=sworkman
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  45. # [01:05] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fdf547a07616 - Steffen Michalke - Bug 1067377 - Use VPX_ prefixed defines in VP8TrackEncoder. r=giles
  46. # [01:05] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b34adefbcac - Steffen Michalke - Bug 1067377 - Use VPX_ prefixed defines in webrtc. r=rjesup
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  63. # [01:23] <NeilAway> huh, browser being very laggy, went to about:memory and minimised memory, working set halved, lagginess gone
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  260. # [05:44] <avih> in javascript, if i run setTimeout(f1, 1); setTimeout(f2, 1); is it guaranteed that f1 will be invoked before f2?
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  266. # [05:47] <seth> avih: I'd be astounded if it were
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  268. # [05:48] <avih> seth: if it _were_ guaranteed? why?
  269. # [05:49] <avih> and if the timeout for f2 was 2ms?
  270. # [05:49] <seth> avih: because that's a complex invariant to maintain, it would almost never have any benefit, and I'm not even sure I think it's intuitive
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  272. # [05:50] <seth> avih: I doubt that's guaranteed either
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  274. # [05:50] <avih> why not intuitive? the 2nd statement IS executed after the first, therefore 1ms later from the 2nd statement IS later than 1ms later from the first statement, no?
  275. # [05:51] <seth> avih: no, because the 1ms is not exact, it's best effort
  276. # [05:51] <avih> and tbh i don't think it's that hard to maintain this invariant
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  278. # [05:51] <avih> it does seem to work consistently though
  279. # [05:51] <avih> at least in node
  280. # [05:52] <avih> i've implemented promise/A+ and the (very long) test suite passes when i schedule the thenables using this method
  281. # [05:53] <seth> that's no proof of anything when it comes to concurrency
  282. # [05:53] <avih> sure. which is why i asked in the first place :)
  283. # [05:54] <jdm> the spec agrees with avih
  284. # [05:54] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c902ebaa8520 - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 1069063, bug 1062860) for mochitest-chrome and jsreftest bustage
  285. # [05:54] <jdm> Wait until any invocations of this algorithm that had the same method context, that started before this one, and whose timeout is equal to or less than this one's, have completed.
  286. # [05:54] <avih> and how does concurrency play a part here? i don't think f1 and f2 could execute concurrently
  287. # [05:54] <avih> (i.e. interleaved)
  288. # [05:54] <seth> jdm: fair enough
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  290. # [05:55] <seth> I wouldn't trust such a thing to work unless the system was specifically designed to guarantee it, but it sounds like it is
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  293. # [05:57] <avih> nice. i think i wrote the shortest ever fully compliant Promise/A+ implementation. less than 1000 bytes minimized, less than 500 bytes gzipped :p. and it has both the new interface (ctor) and the old interface (deferred()), and static resolved/deferred methods. inside that byte count...
  294. # [05:58] <seth> avih: yes, I was just referring to how f1 and f2 would be ordered with respect to each other when I mentioned concurrency
  295. # [05:58] <avih> and works at the browser or as a module. also within that byte count
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  301. # [06:06] <avih> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6568153
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  303. # [06:12] <seth> well, at any rate, thanks for the discussion folks. i said i would be astounded if that were true and i am, but now i know!
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  307. # [06:14] <avih> passing the test suite was hard... but with every more test (of 872) which i made it pass the implementation got refined :)
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  312. # [06:24] <avih> oops, one line slipped at the copy/paste https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6568254
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  468. # [11:24] <edulix> may I ask, is there a planning/willingness to support in the future .well-known URI ni suffixes as in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6920 in the awesome bar and in links? that'd be awesome and secure =) with support I mean, it would check the integrity and show some kind of information regarding that if integrity test fails. I'm sorry if this is not the right place to answer. if that's the case, please tell me where should I ask this question
  469. # [11:24] <edulix> if you know it
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  480. # [11:53] <Unfocused> edulix: afaik, there are no current plans. we are doing a lot of thinking around autocomplete at the moment, so it would be interesting to experiment with. want to file a bug?
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  489. # [12:07] <edulix> Unfocused: sure, I can promise that, to file a bug report around it =)
  490. # [12:07] <edulix> Unfocused: thanks for the answer by the way
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  565. # [14:08] <mdibaiee> Doh, my account is frozen online, how can I disconnect it? :|
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  567. # [14:09] <bolg> mdibaiee, your irc account?
  568. # [14:09] <bolg> if so, use the GHOST command
  569. # [14:10] <mdibaiee> mahdi
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  572. # [14:10] <mdibaiee> worked, thanks!
  573. # [14:10] <bolg> yw :)
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  622. # [15:44] <florent> Hello. Is there a way to listen for the "DOMContentLoaded" event of a <browser> XUL element with e10s enabled?
  623. # [15:44] <florent> it works with e10s disabled FWIW
  624. # [15:46] <The_8472> i think you have to do that on the global object in a frame script
  625. # [15:47] <The_8472> or rather, listen to the DOMWindowCreated event on the global object in a frame script and then attach the DOMContentLoaded to the content window
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  631. # [15:53] <florent> The_8472: Hmm, why not
  632. # [15:53] * florent looking at the DOMWindowCreated doc
  633. # [15:54] <The_8472> look at the message manager instead
  634. # [15:54] <The_8472> MM -> load frame script -> this.addEventListener("DOMWindowCreated", _ => this.content.addEventListener(....))
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  637. # [15:55] <florent> The_8472: Message Manager .
  638. # [15:55] <florent> ?*
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  640. # [15:56] <The_8472> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/The_message_manager
  641. # [15:56] <The_8472> hail your new e10s overlord
  642. # [15:57] <florent> The_8472: That might be the thing I missed so far :D
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  647. # [16:04] <florent> The_8472: oh, BTW, I forgot to mention I already listen to http-on-examine-response, and I get the tab and the <browser> from using the request context
  648. # [16:04] <The_8472> <browser> is in the parent process, the content window in the child process
  649. # [16:05] <florent> So is it useful anyway to track the DOMWindowCreated event and load frame script ?
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  652. # [16:05] <florent> right, but isn't the request event emitted from the content process ?
  653. # [16:05] <The_8472> i think the parent process does the networking
  654. # [16:06] <florent> Ah !
  655. # [16:06] <The_8472> and depending on what kind of request it is the dom window may already exist
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  657. # [16:07] <florent> the request is the load of the HTML document
  658. # [16:07] <The_8472> idk if it's already there during the initial html page load. but if it's something like scripts or stuff then the dom window will already exist
  659. # [16:07] <florent> Right
  660. # [16:07] <florent> I guess the window would not be initiated
  661. # [16:07] <The_8472> well, you can just check if this.content is null or not
  662. # [16:08] <The_8472> in the frame script
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  664. # [16:09] <The_8472> depending on what you want to do you can either tell the global message manager to preemptively instantiate a frame script for all tabs and then talk to them through messages or you can just load them for individual tabs on demand through the xulbrowser.frameLoader.messageManager
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  668. # [16:13] <florent> The_8472: this is my current work (without initiating the Message Manager stuff yet):
  669. # [16:13] <florent> https://github.com/fflorent/firebug.next/blob/c80b75e9191a0c99cbd4823818555fec3da9ce38/lib/console/remote/logging.js#L85
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  671. # [16:14] <florent> What I want to do is to log remote messages through response headers
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  674. # [16:15] <The_8472> you just do that to instantiate a console?
  675. # [16:15] <The_8472> errr
  676. # [16:15] <The_8472> i mean to get access to an existing console instance?
  677. # [16:15] <florent> The_8472: yeah. I want to access to the WebConsole console instance
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  679. # [16:15] <florent> I could use the Console Messages
  680. # [16:16] <florent> but these are not formatting the logs well (except using the Messages.ConsoleGeneric, but they are expecting a RDP-Grip Object)
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  683. # [16:17] <florent> anyway, I would just to support E10S as a first step (with a good formatting), then support RDP (the Remote Debugging Protocol of the DevTools) as a further step.
  684. # [16:18] <The_8472> sending observer messages might be easier
  685. # [16:21] <The_8472> but you probably should ask in #e10s or #devtools
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  687. # [16:22] <florent> The_8472: Hmm, I see
  688. # [16:22] <The_8472> a) there's something like Services.obs.notifyObservers(message, "console-api-log-event", null);
  689. # [16:22] <florent> The_8472: Thank you :)
  690. # [16:22] <The_8472> b) there also are WebConsoleUtils, but i can't find docs on it
  691. # [16:23] <florent> The_8472: I think they moved most of the formatting code into an XPCom Component
  692. # [16:23] <The_8472> so i *think* there should be a good way to send directly to the console without accessing the content process (which has performance penalties)
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  694. # [16:24] <florent> Ah !
  695. # [16:24] <florent> Right, that should be better
  696. # [16:24] <The_8472> i've found cross-process logging to have some severe performance impact when the console is open since it has to transfer the native objects as CPOWs
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  699. # [16:26] <florent> The_8472: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/devtools/Console.jsm#524
  700. # [16:26] <florent> The consoleEvent object is given the console ID =/
  701. # [16:27] <The_8472> maybe it's easy to compute for a window. extracting it once per tab and caching it might also be an option
  702. # [16:30] <The_8472> they're also working on it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1067576
  703. # [16:31] <The_8472> so yeah, you should ask the experts
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  709. # [16:36] <florent> The_8472: yeah, though the patch removes the Objects and the functions from the message
  710. # [16:36] <florent> Anyway, thanks :)
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  937. # [21:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e1f3be2c48f6 - Bobby Holley - Bug 1070696 - Rename xpc::GetNativeForGlobal to xpc::NativeGlobal and make it accept non-global JSObjects. r=smaug
  938. # [21:31] <pulsebot> Check-in: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cafe6d84215b - Bobby Holley - Bug 1070696 - Implement a JSObject* override to AutoJSAPI::Init(). r=smaug
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