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  5. # [00:11] <DanC> ugh... everybody has lumped all their comments on mobileOK into one thread
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  16. # [01:35] * DanC recovers from machine crash. sigh.
  17. # [01:35] * DanC chucles @ photo of Chris W. on http://www.w3.org/People.html ... wanders off...
  18. # [01:40] <mjs> lotsa funny photos there
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  20. # [01:40] <sbuluf> Chris works on NCSA Mosaic and Windows NT Mosaic
  21. # [01:41] <sbuluf> Created May 1994
  22. # [01:42] <sbuluf> Roland Bouman's blog: What MySQL can do to enter the off-line Web
  23. # [01:42] <sbuluf> http://rpbouman.blogspot.com/2007/06/what-mysql-can-do-to-enter-off-line-web.html
  24. # [01:42] <sbuluf> mjs, dunno if zyou saw that, but if not, might interest you
  25. # [01:45] <mjs> sbuluf: interesting
  26. # [01:45] <sbuluf> mysql wants in
  27. # [01:46] <sbuluf> don't know if that man relevant in mysql organization, but perhaps you might want to contact him
  28. # [01:48] <sbuluf> mjs, were you ever interested in data stores?
  29. # [01:48] <sbuluf> did you follow the winfs story, for instance?
  30. # [01:48] <mjs> yes, though at the moment I'm dealing with response to the Safari 3 beta
  31. # [01:48] <mjs> so can't really think about it
  32. # [01:48] <sbuluf> i see, flaws reported
  33. # [01:48] <sbuluf> yep, i saw the news and understand
  34. # [01:49] <sbuluf> (btw, you should include a not saying if it can be run on win 2000)
  35. # [01:49] <sbuluf> *note
  36. # [01:50] <sbuluf> plenty of win 2000 users still out there
  37. # [01:51] <mjs> it's not officially supported on win2k
  38. # [01:51] <mjs> unofficially it more or less works
  39. # [01:51] <sbuluf> i assumed so, yes
  40. # [01:51] <sbuluf> likely due to security
  41. # [01:51] <sbuluf> but i mean you could include a note saying it can (unoficially) be done
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  101. # [19:26] <DanC> anne, are you around? you changed big-I Internet to internet. I'm curious as to why.
  102. # [19:26] <DanC> there's a noticeable gap around audio/video in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/results
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  109. # [20:31] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fhtml%2Fwg%2Fwhowhat.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F40318%2Ftasks83%2Fresults&content-type=&submit=transform
  110. # [20:31] <DanC> spec review schedule shaping up
  111. # [20:37] * Hixie tries to extricate himself from the terminology discussion he accidentally stepped into on public-html
  112. # [20:37] <Hixie> blimey. i tried explaining what the spec was saying and it turned into a philosophical discussion as to whether not saying something is requesting something, or just leaving it to the default
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  115. # [20:44] <DanC> and states are pretty tangential to the point that started the thread, I thought
  116. # [20:44] <DanC> I was going to reply in terms of testable/observable behavior, but I didn't get around to it before the thread took off
  117. # [20:45] <DanC> meanwhile, Hixie , I'm curious... any thoughts on the review schedule that's shaping up? http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fhtml%2Fwg%2Fwhowhat.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F40318%2Ftasks83%2Fresults&content-type=&submit=transform
  118. # [20:46] <DanC> I think I should volunteer to review the intro section, since it has a lot of liaison stuff in it... not sure what my hesitation is.
  119. # [20:49] <zcorpan_> on monday starts my job at opera
  120. # [20:50] <DanC> nifty
  121. # [20:53] * Hixie looks
  122. # [20:54] <Hixie> looks fine to me
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  124. # [21:15] <DanC> hmm... http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples seems to be evolving usefully. I like the examples mixed in.
  125. # [21:16] <DanC> "when possible" is noise. e.g. "should be solved, when possible". just leave it at "should be solved"
  126. # [21:19] <Hixie> That page hasn't changed since April
  127. # [21:19] <Hixie> feel free to fix the text though, it's a wiki page.
  128. # [21:29] <DanC> yeah... collecting a few thoughts 1st
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  132. # [22:23] <Hixie> DanC: you're going to want consensus on every single issue?
  133. # [22:24] <DanC> yes, that's our goal. It's likely that decisions will be made in bulk.
  134. # [22:25] <Hixie> hm
  135. # [22:25] <Hixie> we need some sort of state between "new" and "working group consensus"
  136. # [22:26] <Hixie> because otherwise hyatt and i will have no way of knowing what issues to look at, amongst the many duplicates, the many issues we've already dealt with, and the many issues other people have pointed out are bogus.
  137. # [22:26] <DanC> I proposed "resolved to the satisfaction of the editor" but you didn't seem interested in that. We could have "reviewed by some person on the planet and found to be OK" but I'm not sure how valuable that is.
  138. # [22:26] <Hixie> well, it's not just the editor
  139. # [22:26] <Hixie> i'm hoping other people deal with issues before hyatt and i do :-)
  140. # [22:28] <DanC> many duplicates? I don't see any duplicates on http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
  141. # [22:28] <Hixie> we only have 7 issues so far
  142. # [22:29] <Hixie> i'm assuming we'll have 1000s in due course
  143. # [22:29] <Hixie> certainly there have been 1000s reported to the whatwg over the last three years
  144. # [22:29] <DanC> let's cross that bridge when we come to it
  145. # [22:29] <DanC> I'd like to keep the issues list to <50 or so at a time.
  146. # [22:29] <Hixie> well, we have reached that bridge with two of the issues
  147. # [22:30] <Hixie> one requests something already in the spec, the other requests something that's already planned.
  148. # [22:31] <Hixie> afk for 20 minutes or so
  149. # [22:31] <DanC> already... yeah... RichTextInput03 ... that never should have reached the bar.
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  151. # [22:33] <DanC> RichTextInput03 has none of the stuff I like to see... no pointer to any spec sections, and no examples/test cases. I'd be happy to disqualify it on either of those grounds
  152. # [22:34] <DanC> the template http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTemplate doesn't suggest/require those, though
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  154. # [22:43] <DanC> ok, I demoted RichTextInput03
  155. # [22:46] <DanC> discussion of default stylesheet went meta almost immediately...
  156. # [22:46] <DanC> the question came from Asbjørn Ulsberg, and it was answered to his satisfaction. I don't see an issue.
  157. # [22:47] <DanC> oops; now I see lots more in the thread...
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  160. # [22:55] <Hixie> back
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