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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 26 00:00:00 2007
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  37. # [03:34] <karl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Jul/att-0045/implementreportFx15-20070725.html
  38. # [03:34] <karl> Selectors implementation report for Firefox 1.5
  39. # [03:36] <karl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Jul/att-0046/implementreportFx15-20070725.html
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  47. # [04:14] <karl> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070725&mode=classic
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  76. # [07:57] <karl> http://twitter.com/conoro/statuses/164140172
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  78. # [08:00] <karl> http://www.xmlpitstop.com/XML/re-33078_James_McParlane_Parsing_XHTML_and_XML_vs_IE_and_Microsoft_Expression_Web.aspx
  79. # [08:05] <Zeros> that's one really wide page
  80. # [08:13] <karl> Zeros: it is because it is a long URIs
  81. # [08:13] <karl> wide URIs, wide pages
  82. # [08:13] <karl> logical... no? :p
  83. # [08:13] <Zeros> :p
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  87. # [09:22] <karl> hmmm opening two titles in Safari, makes the full DOM empty
  88. # [09:22] <karl> I made a typo
  89. # [09:22] <karl> <!DOCTYPE html>
  90. # [09:22] <karl> <html xml:lang="en">
  91. # [09:22] <karl> <head>
  92. # [09:22] <karl> <title>Example RDFa</title>
  93. # [09:22] <karl> </head>
  94. # [09:22] <karl> <body>
  95. # [09:22] <karl> <img about="#me" rel="foaf:image" src="image" instanceof="foaf:Image" />
  96. # [09:22] <karl> </body>
  97. # [09:22] <karl> </html>
  98. # [09:23] <karl> I wanted this when I was trying
  99. # [09:23] <karl> <!DOCTYPE html>
  100. # [09:23] <karl> <html xml:lang="en">
  101. # [09:23] <karl> <head>
  102. # [09:23] <karl> <title>Example RDFa<title>
  103. # [09:23] <karl> </head>
  104. # [09:23] <karl> <body>
  105. # [09:23] <karl> <img about="#me" rel="foaf:image" src="image" instanceof="foaf:Image" />
  106. # [09:23] <karl> </body>
  107. # [09:23] <karl> </html>
  108. # [09:27] <Zeros> Safari puts the entire document in the title I think
  109. # [09:28] <Zeros> IE does too
  110. # [09:28] <Zeros> <title/> makes a document blank in IE
  111. # [09:29] <zcorpan> (which is per html5, fwiw)
  112. # [09:30] <Zeros> karl, <title>foo<title> is closing at the next element in Safari 3, is this Safari 2?
  113. # [09:30] <karl> yes safari 2
  114. # [09:30] <karl> Version 2.0.4 (419.3)
  115. # [09:30] <Zeros> ah yeah, I really need to uninstall it so I have a copy of 2
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  124. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> can somebody remind me what's the reason why <br /> and <hr /> can't work in the HTML serialization?
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  126. # [10:41] <mjs> I don't see why they can't
  127. # [10:41] <mjs> aren't they allowed?
  128. # [10:42] <mjs> I think the pseudo-XML syntax is allowed for any element that has a forbidden close tag
  129. # [10:42] <zcorpan> <br /> is allowed in text/html per html5
  130. # [10:43] <zcorpan> per sgml rules, using the sgml decl for html4, it means something different (<br>>)
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  132. # [10:50] <zcorpan> btw. i have now thought about it a bit more and i think createElement() in xml should create elements in the html namespace, but should not be case changing, for cinsistency with the other methods
  133. # [10:51] <zcorpan> but createElement() in xml is really something for dom core to define. not html5.
  134. # [10:51] <zcorpan> dom5 core anyone?
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  136. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> mjs, zcorpan - I see (about <br /> parsing). I was just mistaken
  137. # [10:55] <zcorpan> mjs: while you were away i mentioned that i think createElement() in xml should not be case changing
  138. # [10:55] <mjs> zcorpan: I'm pretty indifferent on that point
  139. # [10:56] <mjs> zcorpan: I would not mind changing it to be case-preserving for XML in Safari
  140. # [10:56] <mjs> zcorpan: the way it turned out is just kind of an accident (we moved the HTMLDocument createElement method down to Document)
  141. # [10:56] <mjs> zcorpan: otoh I'm not sure why it should be different
  142. # [10:56] <mjs> in XML you should really be using createElementNS anyway
  143. # [10:57] <zcorpan> for consistency with the other methods in xml
  144. # [10:57] <zcorpan> as an author, i would expect createElement("FOO") to be the same as <FOO/> in the markup
  145. # [10:58] <zcorpan> authors have learned that xml is case sensitive
  146. # [10:59] <zcorpan> createElement being an exception would be confusing imho
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  153. # [11:32] <anne> createElement is just an HTML method
  154. # [11:32] <anne> (although I'd also be in favor of making it work like it does in Opera)
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  210. # [23:56] <Sander> ... on the "formal recorded complaint"
  211. # [23:58] * Sander imagines having IRC discussions where every line has an appended disclaimer
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