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  149. # [18:11] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the call?
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  178. # [20:08] <MikeSmith> kenneth, what is the frequency_
  179. # [20:08] <ChrisWilson> 31.25kHz.
  180. # [20:09] <MikeSmith> heh
  181. # [20:09] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson is alive
  182. # [20:09] <ChrisWilson> "It lives!"
  183. # [20:12] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson, I'm wondering if you have been following the aria-syntax issue (aria-colon versus aria-dash) and if you can provide any insight on what the likelihood is of you guys changing your aria implementation in IE8
  184. # [20:12] <MikeSmith> also wondering if you are going to be in the IE-team-chat thing tomorrow
  185. # [20:13] <MikeSmith> and if you might be able to convince those in charge of that to try to make it more accessible to those who aren't actually running MS Windows as their OS
  186. # [20:14] <ChrisWilson> On the latter question, yes, I will be in the IE team chat, immediately following the HTML WG call (I'm presuming Dan is chairing one.)
  187. # [20:14] <MikeSmith> cool
  188. # [20:14] <ChrisWilson> on the followup question - is the web interface inaccessible on FF/Safari on MacOS?
  189. # [20:15] <ChrisWilson> The question management of the software is incredibly helpful to those of us answering questions, so I'd rather not junk it and go, say, to just an IRC channel.
  190. # [20:15] <MikeSmith> dunno. will need to check again. I remember that last time I tried, the only way that it seemed to be accessible to me was through my Windows VM
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  192. # [20:16] <ChrisWilson> On the former question, no, I hadn't been following the aria discussion. I don't know what the feasibility is of changing our implementation, but it's probably possible; IIRC, MS was amenable to colons to begin with in that discussion.
  193. # [20:17] <ChrisWilson> in fact, I seem to recall personally saying it made a lot more sense as it was portable across schema, and having a few other people in the WG shout me down. :)
  194. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: if that is still the case, I hope you can be prepared to say as much in response to the TAG
  195. # [20:19] <ChrisWilson> Because I'm short of issues on which to appear on the opposite side of, say, our editor? ;)
  196. # [20:19] <MikeSmith> heh
  197. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> well, also be prepared to explain how we could do it without risk of breaking existing content and/or to give other UA implementors an incentive to incur additional costs to change their text/html parsers to support it
  198. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> assuming that is is even practical
  199. # [20:23] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: btw, remind me when it is that we can reasonably expect your implementation to actually support XHTML served as application/xhtml+xml (or other XML MIME type)?
  200. # [20:23] * DanC wonders why MikeSmith is putting ChrisWilson in the position of defending the aria: proposal
  201. # [20:24] <MikeSmith> .. that is, to implement the existing mechanism we have for supporting namespaced content]
  202. # [20:25] <MikeSmith> DanC: I'm clearly not doing that
  203. # [20:25] <Philip> MikeSmith: As far as I'm aware, IE parses colonic attributes exactly the same as any other browser (i.e. the same as non-colonic attributes, just with a colon in its name), so it wouldn't be different for any other UA to support (where 'support' presumably means parsing in a namespacey way)
  204. # [20:25] <DanC> yes, you are, MikeSmith . " also be prepared to explain ..."
  205. # [20:25] <Philip> MikeSmith: ...although actually I'm not sure you were implying it would be different for other UA implementors
  206. # [20:26] * MikeSmith snickers at "colonic"
  207. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> DanC: no I'm not
  208. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> so there
  209. # [20:26] <smedero> ahh, it feels just like the mailing list in here.
  210. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> Philip: I'm not implying much of anything
  211. # [20:27] <MikeSmith> it's 3am here where I am, and it could be imagined that I might possibly have a belly full of cheap gin
  212. # [20:27] * smedero hopes that people realizes he's joking.
  213. # [20:27] * DanC took it as ha-ha-only-serious
  214. # [20:27] * ChrisWilson turned his attention to his other screen for a few, but is back.
  215. # [20:27] <Philip> MikeSmith: Ah, fair enough :-)
  216. # [20:28] <ChrisWilson> MikeSmith: on XHTML: I'm not commenting on future feature requests for IE, as per policy.
  217. # [20:29] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: thanks - that's real helpful to us
  218. # [20:29] <ChrisWilson> smedero: heheheheh
  219. # [20:29] <MikeSmith> my next question is about SVG
  220. # [20:30] * ChrisWilson wonders if MikeSmith is being sarcastic, but is prepared to believe the best. :)
  221. # [20:30] <MikeSmith> i'm never sarcastic... ask anybody
  222. # [20:31] <DanC> MikeSmith, friends don't let friends drink and chat. "remind me..." is clearly disingenuous; you know he has never said when they'd support it.
  223. # [20:31] <MikeSmith> DanC: thanks for the tip
  224. # [20:31] <ChrisWilson> Danc: worry not. Mike and I are fine. :)
  225. # [20:32] <MikeSmith> . me reminds us all of who the real enemies are here... namely, Flash, Silverlight, etc.
  226. # [20:33] <MikeSmith> I think we all share the common goal of trying to make sure that we have open standards for implementing all the features that we want to make available to Web developers
  227. # [20:33] <ChrisWilson> MikeSmith: Oh, no, I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Silverlight. Just ask anyone. (I, on the other hand, can be quite sarcastic. Just ask anybody. :) )
  228. # [20:34] <MikeSmith> heh
  229. # [20:34] * ChrisWilson agrees with Mike's last statement.
  230. # [20:34] * shepazu agrees with ChrisWilson's previous statement
  231. # [20:34] <Philip> MikeSmith: I don't want open standards - I just want things to work for me
  232. # [20:34] <shepazu> s/previous/penultimate/
  233. # [20:35] <Philip> That usually seems to coincide with open standards, but my goal is purely selfish
  234. # [20:35] <MikeSmith> fwiw, I watched a Silverlight presentation at XTech last week and was pretty impressed with what could be done with it
  235. # [20:36] <MikeSmith> the main lesson I took away was that we all need to get more motivated to get off our asses and provide a compelling alternative to that
  236. # [20:36] <MikeSmith> and to the other bad word
  237. # [20:36] <Philip> I made a shiny rotating monkey head with open standards
  238. # [20:37] <Philip> which is the kind of thing that compels at least me
  239. # [20:37] <ChrisWilson> Philip: that's a beautiful statement.
  240. # [20:37] <MikeSmith> Fl*sh
  241. # [20:37] <MikeSmith> compelling alternative for working developers,I mean
  242. # [20:37] <MikeSmith> other than "Do the right thing"
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  244. # [20:40] <Dashiva> MikeSmith: Was it accessible? :)
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  246. # [20:41] <MikeSmith> to get in one more statement before I finally shut up (pass out): We shouldn't have as our goal to completely displace any of the existing alternative solutions to delivering content to users. What we should be trying to do at a minimum is to provide a *choices* to developers
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  248. # [20:42] <MikeSmith> ... a choice that doesn't require them to sign in blood in any particular vendor
  249. # [20:43] <MikeSmith> s/blood in/blood with/
  250. # [20:44] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: some might say that accessibility is a mirage
  251. # [20:44] <Dashiva> Poetic
  252. # [20:45] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: you would never catch me saying that
  253. # [20:45] <MikeSmith> I was just speaking hypothetically
  254. # [20:46] <MikeSmith> as I often do
  255. # [20:46] <Dashiva> Isn't that bordering on poetic in itself?
  256. # [20:46] <Philip> Ah, so 'a friend of yours' say accessibility is a mirage?
  257. # [20:46] <Philip> s//s/
  258. # [20:48] <MikeSmith> Philip: dunno. If you are venturing into "a friend of ours" vs. "a friend of mine" territory, I would like to remind you to carefully consider the oath you took when we made you a "made man"
  259. # [20:48] * ChrisWilson wanders off to lunch...
  260. # [20:48] * Philip goes off to find a power supply that doesn't switch itself off unless the cable is twisted precisely right
  261. # [20:49] * smedero hopes MikeSmith CCs a case of his cheap gin to the html-wg mailing list
  262. # [20:49] * MikeSmith considers actually going to sleep
  263. # [20:50] <MikeSmith> smedero: I would love to find a way to actually do that
  264. # [20:50] <MikeSmith> because I really think it might be one of the very few practical solutions
  265. # [20:50] <smedero> distributed inebriation
  266. # [20:51] <MikeSmith> heh
  267. # [20:52] <MikeSmith> I think I prefer the sound of that over the other proposal
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  269. # [20:55] <Dashiva> I think you might get into legal trouble, though :)
  270. # [20:56] <Dashiva> Unless it's open-source gin
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