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  13. # [01:01] <DanC> hmm... so Laura pointed me at http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H43.html ; I took that and put it in http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/tblh.html ... validator.nu says: Error: Attribute headers not allowed on element th at this point.
  14. # [01:02] <Hixie> yeah html5 doesn't have the concept of chained headers
  15. # [01:02] <Hixie> a cell is either a data cell with headers, or a header cell
  16. # [01:02] <DanC> <anne> It's in http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular.html#headers for instance
  17. # [01:03] <DanC> "The td element may have a headers content attribute specified." -- http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular.html#headers
  18. # [01:03] <DanC> oh. td. hm.
  19. # [01:03] * DanC hopes his ignorance about this stuff isn't too bothersome...
  20. # [01:04] <Hixie> not to me :-)
  21. # [01:04] <DanC> ok, so validator.nu agrees with the spec w.r.t <th id="e1" headers="e">1</th>
  22. # [01:05] <DanC> and lo, when I take @headers of the th's and leave it on td's, I get: The document validates according to the specified schema(s).
  23. # [01:06] <DanC> though I also get: Warning: The character encoding of the document was not declared.
  24. # [01:07] <DanC> that warning seems like overkill given this document doesn't go outside US-ASCII, but maybe the world is too big a place to special-case US-ASCII any more
  25. # [01:07] <Hixie> hm, yeah, i thought the spec said it was ok to not declare an encoding if you only used US-ASCII
  26. # [01:09] <DanC> are there complete-document examples in the spec? does the hello-world example have a charset? let's see...
  27. # [01:10] <Hixie> if there are any complete-document examples in the spec that don't have an encoding declared, i'm going to claim the encoding is given in the HTTP headers, which aren't shown. :-)
  28. # [01:10] <DanC> (ah... nice light-weight http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/Overview.html#contents ... no more browser-busting monster ...)
  29. # [01:10] * Philip even found an RFC on ietf.org that wasn't US-ASCII
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  32. # [01:11] * DanC finds one in 3.3.1 Semantics ... nope... no charset. good.
  33. # [01:12] <DanC> re encoding in the HTTP headers, it reminds me that I'm not quite clear on what the spec defines an HTML document to be: a sequence of bytes plus a charset? or a sequence of characters? or more than that?
  34. # [01:12] <Philip> DanC: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/ is itself a complete-document example of HTML5 :-)
  35. # [01:12] <DanC> (this is aside from the concept of dom tree)
  36. # [01:13] <DanC> hmm... validator.nu is happy with http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/ ...
  37. # [01:13] <DanC> ah...
  38. # [01:13] <DanC> p$ curl -I http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
  39. # [01:13] <DanC> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
  40. # [01:14] <DanC> anyway... I think I now have my test case for table headers
  41. # [01:14] <DanC> at least the input...
  42. # [01:15] <DanC> gotta review that JSON harness hsivonen sent mail about... I hope it's pretty simple
  43. # [01:15] <Hixie> DanC: an HTML Document is a DOM object. It can be serialised to a stream of bytes either using the HTML syntax or the XML syntax, which can be further labelled using HTTP headers and has to be labelled in a particular way depending on which you use.
  44. # [01:15] <Philip> Testing erroneous input seems possibly as useful as testing correct input
  45. # [01:17] <DanC> ok, Hixie ... does the spec give a name to a serialized HTML document?
  46. # [01:17] <Hixie> i don't think so... a text/html resource, maybe
  47. # [01:18] * DanC finds "store or transmit a document" in 3.7.5.4. Specifying the document's character encoding
  48. # [01:19] <DanC> that's consistent with "a document is a DOM object" ... but this one is harder to reconcile: "If the document does not start with a BOM,
  49. # [01:21] * DanC wanders off to celebrate wedding anniversary...
  50. # [01:21] <Hixie> "document" in lowercase is used very loosely in the spec
  51. # [01:21] <Hixie> i should probably go through and tighten that up
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  84. # [10:03] <anne> MikeSmith, got an e-mail earlier that my reboot.dk talk was accepted btw; not sure when I'll give it
  85. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> anne: I recommend repurposing Lachy slides from @media
  86. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> some brilliant use of images in those
  87. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> who knew that Lachy was so clever?
  88. # [10:04] <anne> It's not directly about HTML5
  89. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> anne: what's it about?
  90. # [10:05] <anne> The Free Web, it seems :)
  91. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> the cornerstone of the Free Web of tomorrow is HTML5
  92. # [10:05] <anne> view source, free information, advancements in browsers such as free fonts, Web Applications with HTML5, etc.
  93. # [10:05] * Hixie is sad MikeSmith hasn't replied to roland yet
  94. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> Hixie: in due course
  95. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> drafting a response at this very moment in fact
  96. # [10:06] <MikeSmith> serendipity
  97. # [10:06] <Hixie> yay
  98. # [10:06] <anne> Also, I want to do my presentation in HTML
  99. # [10:06] <Hixie> of course then we'll have to wait for them to have another virtual F2F or something
  100. # [10:06] <MikeSmith> we have some kind of psychic bond
  101. # [10:06] <Hixie> what a disturbing idea
  102. # [10:06] <MikeSmith> or psycho bond
  103. # [10:06] <anne> (agreed that the images are nice)
  104. # [10:06] <MikeSmith> heh
  105. # [10:06] <MikeSmith> I don't understand the whole virtual f2f thing
  106. # [10:07] <anne> we have a virtual f2f all the time
  107. # [10:07] <anne> it's called IRC
  108. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> aye
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  138. # [15:04] <Lachy> aargh! Our first dupe. http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5776
  139. # [15:04] <Lachy> MikeSmith, can you resolve that as a dupe?
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