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  29. # [03:52] <marcos> Does anyone know how the IPR thing works when making a comment on the public mailing list?
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  37. # [08:10] <Hixie> marcos: don't ask, don't tell?
  38. # [08:10] <marcos> hixie, sounds reasonable :)
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  72. # [11:52] <Lachy> there seems to be a few mails missing from the URIs in HTML5 thread. The last 3 from Hixie at the top of this page are in reply to messages that aren't in the archive http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/
  73. # [11:55] <Philip> They might be replies to messages that only exist in uri@w3.org
  74. # [12:01] <Lachy> ah, ok
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  77. # [12:38] <hsivonen> Lachy: it seems that Sam's messages were sent to public-html-request instead of public-html nad didn't make it to public-html
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  94. # [16:14] <Julian> Do we have a telecon today? Didn't see an announcement...
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  98. # [16:20] <anne> I don't think so. Mike is in a meeting and Chris left early for 4th of July thingies
  99. # [16:20] <anne> (Well, Mike will be in a meeting.)
  100. # [16:23] <Julian> Ah, forgot about July 4 :-). Would be nice to have a public calendar (ICS) resource one could subscribe that contained the meeting dates.
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  112. # [18:07] <oedipus> is there a telecon today? no agenda posted to public-html-announce (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008AprJun/)
  113. # [18:08] <oedipus> under the "Phone Meetings" section of the HTML WG home page, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#telcon, it still reads: "Teleconferences happen Thursdays; to facilitate participation from the Americas, Europe, and Asia, the time alternates between 4pm Los Angeles time and 12noon Boston time." -- since this is no longer the case, this needs to be fixed
  114. # [18:09] <timeless> general consensus is no.
  115. # [18:09] <oedipus> no on meeting?
  116. # [18:09] <timeless> tomorro'ws a us holiday, and people are vacationing
  117. # [18:09] <oedipus> makes sense - too bad no one posted to public-html-announce to that effect...
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  119. # [18:12] * oedipus don't worry, i won't shoot the messenger!
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  123. # [18:24] * oedipus waves to julian and anne - no call today, eh?
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  128. # [18:54] <anne> I don't think so
  129. # [18:54] <anne> I guess it would've started an hour ago, so no :)
  130. # [18:55] <Philip> Perhaps it happened in a secret IRC channel
  131. # [18:55] <anne> You never know :p
  132. # [18:55] <takkaria> what's all this about secret IRC channels? I must have missed a memo
  133. # [18:55] <oedipus> nothing in public-html-wg-announce
  134. # [18:55] <Philip> takkaria: If there was a memo, it wouldn't be secret
  135. # [18:56] <oedipus> public-html-wg-announce is where the agenda and meeting notice should be posted at least 24 hours in advance of the meeting
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  137. # [18:56] <oedipus> also, mikeTMsmith isn't in the IRC channel, nor is ChrisW
  138. # [18:57] <oedipus> nor have they been since i joined about 2 (?) hours ago
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  159. # [20:42] <Laura> Hi Gregory. I think at the last teleference it was mentioned that there wouldn't be one this week.
  160. # [20:42] <Laura> But I don't see that reflected in the minutes.
  161. # [20:42] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html
  162. # [20:43] <oedipus> thanks, laura - would help if the chairs/staff contact would follow process and send out agenda or cancellation notices 24 hours in advance of a scheduled call -- AND it would help if the minutes were announced to the public-html-wg-announce list within 24-to-48 hours, as is the practice in W3C
  163. # [20:44] <Laura> Yes, that would be good.
  164. # [20:58] <oedipus> has anyone else noticed that there are now 10 HTML WG emailing lists? public-html, public-html-wg-announce, public-html-wg-issue-tracking, public-html-bugzilla, public-html-comments, public-html-commits, public-html-diff, public-html-mail, public-html-testsuite, and canvas-api
  165. # [21:03] <oedipus> not to mention: www-html@w3.org and www-html-editor@w3.org, www-html-testsuite@w3.org
  166. # [21:04] <Laura> No. I wasn't aware of all of those. That's a lot.
  167. # [21:04] <oedipus> all listed on: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
  168. # [21:04] <oedipus> and then factor in the whatwg fora...
  169. # [21:07] <Laura> Thanks for the link.
  170. # [21:07] <oedipus> no problem - the problem is monitoring all those lists!
  171. # [21:08] <Hixie> yeah the number of lists is insane
  172. # [21:08] <Hixie> most have no traffic
  173. # [21:08] <oedipus> yeah, and i think shepazu and i are the only subscribers to canvas-api!
  174. # [21:08] <shepazu> heh
  175. # [21:08] <oedipus> at least that i know of
  176. # [21:09] <shepazu> no, dean edwards is too :)
  177. # [21:09] <gsnedders> We have a canvas-api list? Oh.
  178. # [21:09] <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/canvas-api
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  181. # [21:10] <Hixie> that coems up 404 for me
  182. # [21:10] <oedipus> sorry - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/
  183. # [21:10] <Hixie> oh
  184. # [21:10] <Hixie> i'm on _that_ one
  185. # [21:10] <oedipus> have to sometimes remember to rely on bookmarks, not memory
  186. # [21:11] <Hixie> not that it has mattered :-)
  187. # [21:11] <oedipus> are the www-html, www-html-editor and www-html-testsuite still HTML-centric, or are they split between the HTML WG and the XHTML2 WG?
  188. # [21:14] <gsnedders> As far as I can tell they're mainly XHTML2 WG
  189. # [21:14] <oedipus> mikeTMsmith, can you clarify this from the HTML WG home page: "Note that www-html, a mailing list created in 1994 to discuss HTML, is still available for discussions related to HTML but not in the scope of this Working Group."
  190. # [21:15] <oedipus> what kind of discussions are outside of the WG's scope -- HTML4x issues?
  191. # [21:15] <gsnedders> for example
  192. # [21:15] <takkaria> oedipus: if you want to call something to his attention, MikeSmith might be a better way, since his IRC client will automatically highlight that
  193. # [21:15] <gsnedders> oedipus: XHTML2 WG owns the HTML 4 spec
  194. # [21:15] <oedipus> thanks, takkaria - old habits die hard
  195. # [21:16] <MikeSmith> oedipus: public-html is the mailing list for the HTML WG, www-html is a mailing list for whoever wants to use it, for whatever they want to use it for
  196. # [21:16] <oedipus> so it's essentially an orphan?
  197. # [21:16] <MikeSmith> it has connection to the HTML WG
  198. # [21:16] <MikeSmith> whatever else it may have a connection to, I don't know
  199. # [21:17] <oedipus> same with all the www-html-foo lists?
  200. # [21:17] <MikeSmith> yeah
  201. # [21:18] <oedipus> ok - can you make it a bit clearer that there is NO connection between the www-html-foo lists and the WG - the current verbiage on the HTML WG homepage struck me as ambiguous
  202. # [21:18] <oedipus> but that could just be me ;)
  203. # [21:20] <Laura> oedipus, you said that problem is monitoring all those lists. Is it information overload? Or information fragmentation? Something else?
  204. # [21:20] <oedipus> both
  205. # [21:20] <oedipus> something to the effect: "Note that www-html, a mailing list created in 1994 to discuss HTML, is still available for discussions related to HTML but is not affiliated with this Working Group, which conducts its business through its own mailing lists." -- with "its own mailing lists" being a link to the list of HTML WG lists?
  206. # [21:22] <oedipus> just trying to help concentrate my (and others') attention where it is most pertient/appropriate
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  208. # [21:26] <Laura> That is a good suggestion, Gregory. Clear verbiage. And page with our lists would be great.
  209. # [21:29] <oedipus> "real life" is calling - need to step away for a while
  210. # [21:30] * oedipus is now known as oedipus[away]
  211. # [21:30] <oedipus[away]> I am now away. Reason: "attempting to attend to my "real" life" E-mail: not specified Left At: Thursday 03 July 2008 - 3:25 PM (tIRC away system)
  212. # [21:30] <Laura> Bye.
  213. # [21:30] * oedipus[away] bye laura
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