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  9. # [01:02] <karl> http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-doctypes
  10. # [01:02] <pimpbot> Title: W3C WD: HTML Dialects: Internet Media Types and SGML Document Types (at www.w3.org)
  11. # [01:03] <karl> "text/html; level=2 internet media type and the "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN" document type are defined"
  12. # [01:03] <karl> versioning in the mime-type
  13. # [01:03] <gsnedders> That was a great success.
  14. # [01:04] <karl> "The goal of any HTML specification should be to promote that confidence in the fidelity of communications using HTML."
  15. # [01:04] <karl> gsnedders: text/html was a great success even used for images by safari 4 even when the mime type is sent :p
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  17. # [01:06] <karl> I like the goal stated in the introduction
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  19. # [01:06] <gsnedders> :P
  20. # [01:07] <karl> btw gsnedders thanks for the question about RDF/SPARQL because it pushed me to write a short intro
  21. # [01:08] <karl> the document is talking about interop too
  22. # [01:08] <gsnedders> The more I play around with RDF the less purely theoretical (and useless) I think it is. There's just absolutely terrible documentation of it, and the specs aren't very well written (I posed a challenge in #whatwg a while back: find the normative definition of rdf:about in RDF/XML: nobody could find it).
  23. # [01:08] <karl> terrible doc: completely agreed.
  24. # [01:09] <Hixie> RDF is a great technology for certain fields
  25. # [01:09] <Hixie> just like xforms
  26. # [01:10] <gsnedders> SPARQL seems to be even worse documented than RDF
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  28. # [01:12] <karl> yes there are a lot of things missing for SPARQL. Answering your question, I was thinking "that would be cool to write a book about it." but then I thought "hmm books, long job, taking a lot of time, and giving peanuts in return and I'm not interested by fame." so :)
  29. # [01:12] <gsnedders> I did the same :)
  30. # [01:13] <gsnedders> It'd be an interesting way to learn it myself, though, trying to write instructional material
  31. # [01:14] <gsnedders> There again, I do have these projects due in on Monday…
  32. # [01:14] <gsnedders> :)
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  34. # [01:34] <karl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg-old/1995SepDec/0415.html
  35. # [01:34] <pimpbot> Title: Statistics on reusing request headers in persistent connections from Koen Holtman on 1995-10-30 (ietf-http-wg-old@w3.org from September to December 1995) (at lists.w3.org)
  36. # [01:34] <karl> The benefits of reusing request headers in persistent
  37. # [01:34] <karl> HTTP connections: A statistical analysis.
  38. # [01:35] <karl> "To make the statistics below, I took a set of proxy<->server HTTP
  39. # [01:35] <karl> transactions between the www.win.tue.nl proxy and off-campus servers
  40. # [01:35] <karl> (18 days worth of traffic, approximately 150Mb in 14501 HTTP
  41. # [01:35] <karl> transactions)
  42. # [01:35] <karl> "
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  55. # [03:21] <MikeSmith> snowing in Tokyo
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  58. # [03:39] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/ yay
  59. # [03:39] <pimpbot> Title: Web Forms 2.0 (at www.w3.org)
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  63. # [05:05] <MikeSmith> action-112?
  64. # [05:05] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-112
  65. # [05:05] <trackbot> ACTION-112 -- Michael(tm) Smith to update http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/ with placeholder doc from gsnedders -- due 2009-03-03 -- OPEN
  66. # [05:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/112
  67. # [05:05] <pimpbot> Title: Web Forms 2.0 (at www.w3.org)
  68. # [05:05] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-112 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  69. # [05:15] <MikeSmith> issue-72?
  70. # [05:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-72
  71. # [05:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Need to make it publicly clear that http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/ is obsoleted by HTML5 -- RAISED
  72. # [05:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/72
  73. # [05:15] <pimpbot> Title: Web Forms 2.0 (at www.w3.org)
  74. # [05:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  77. # [06:12] <Dashiva> MikeSmith: Snowing and gathering, or snowing and melting?
  78. # [06:12] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: melting
  79. # [06:12] <MikeSmith> pretty much all melted now
  80. # [06:13] <MikeSmith> and stopped falling
  81. # [06:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6628] New: WebSocket.URL and EventSource.URL should return the absolute URL" ( message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Feb/0050.html>
  82. # [06:26] <Dashiva> Figures
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  85. # [06:30] <Dashiva> Well, even a little snow is better than nothing
  86. # [06:31] * annevk wonders if Dashiva is on Oslo time
  87. # [06:31] <Dashiva> Only in theory
  88. # [06:31] <annevk> I see, fun party?
  89. # [06:32] <Dashiva> No, just really bad sleeping habits
  90. # [06:32] <Dashiva> I should probably go to sleep...
  91. # [06:33] <annevk> considering that most people wake up in a few hours...
  92. # [06:34] <Dashiva> Sleeping 9 to 5, what a way to make a living
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  109. # [11:21] <annevk> "CCing all groups involved always helps in getting everyone's attention." and then he doesn't cc the HTML WG? I'm not sure if I should be offended or pleased
  110. # [11:21] <annevk> re: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Feb/0273.html
  111. # [11:21] <pimpbot> Title: Re: [Fwd: Using XMLNS in link/rel] from Steven Pemberton on 2009-02-27 (www-tag@w3.org from February 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
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  124. # [14:19] <karl> eeek, henri went again with all the long emails about why it is bad in the DOM. That will not encouraged a peaceful debate :) tempest ahead.
  125. # [14:19] <karl> cf rdfa in the tag
  126. # [14:20] <hsivonen> karl: I tried hard to make this one calm, complete and not tempested. whereas some of the previous ones may have been unproductively tempested
  127. # [14:22] <karl> hsivonen: I see that, but the context is new with new players. Plus you went nuclear type "very long technical email".
  128. # [14:22] <karl> :) we will see
  129. # [14:22] <karl> let's hope it will not derail
  130. # [14:22] <hsivonen> karl: when I have written shorter emails, I have ended up having to write a zillion clarifications
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  132. # [14:23] <karl> hsivonen: write a web page summarizing your idea
  133. # [14:23] <karl> and point to it
  134. # [14:23] <hsivonen> karl: lists.w3.org has stable URIs :-)
  135. # [14:23] <karl> wooot not your web site ? ;)
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  137. # [14:24] <Philip> lists.w3.org is hard to update with inline clarifications
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  141. # [14:48] * gsnedders sighs at the number of unread emails in some threads
  142. # [14:55] <Philip> gsnedders: You can solve that problem with a single click
  143. # [14:56] <gsnedders> That is true.
  144. # [14:56] <Philip> (Well, maybe two or three clicks)
  145. # [15:01] <gsnedders> No, just one.
  146. # [15:03] <hsivonen> Mike(tm) and gsnedders rock: http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/
  147. # [15:03] <pimpbot> Title: Web Forms 2.0 (at www.w3.org)
  148. # [15:03] <gsnedders> Yeah, I already saw
  149. # [15:04] * gsnedders hopes his ability to write en-us-x-hixie is good enough
  150. # [15:04] <gsnedders> Actually, en-gb-x-hixie
  151. # [15:04] * gsnedders basically didn't change header-w3c
  152. # [15:04] <gsnedders> Not that there's really any text there :P
  153. # [15:07] <Philip> Sounds like language forgery to me
  154. # [15:09] * Philip wonders why he always forgets to add the shebang line to cron scripts
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  163. # [15:52] <annevk> seems HTML5 is that new recommendation Shane is looking for
  164. # [15:54] <jgraham> These are not the recommendations you are looking for ~waves hand~
  165. # [15:55] <annevk> hmm?
  166. # [15:56] <jgraham> Oh sorry I was having a Star Wars moment. No particular reason
  167. # [15:56] <annevk> I wonder what's that like
  168. # [15:56] <annevk> like, you suddenly wanna say, "I'm your father, <name>"?
  169. # [15:57] <jgraham> Isn't it <name>, I am your father
  170. # [15:57] * jgraham hasn't actually seen much star wars and none for years
  171. # [15:57] <annevk> that might be why I don't have these moments
  172. # [15:57] <Philip> annevk: Noooooooooooooooooo, it's what jgraham said
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  175. # [16:00] <Philip> (?)
  176. # [16:00] <annevk> nm, far fetched failed insult
  177. # [16:01] * karl is pondering if he should subscribed again to www-tag, he has unsubscribed since he left W3C.
  178. # [16:01] * Philip was just quoting Star Wars again
  179. # [16:01] <annevk> really? that's the place where the W3C makes all these great architectural advancements
  180. # [16:01] <annevk> oh wait
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  214. # [19:57] <pimpbot> planet: HTML 5 versus XHTML 1.0 Transitional? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/256953/html-5-versus-xhtml-1-0-transitional> ** Unicode Normalization <http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/02/unicode-normalization>
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  223. # [21:59] <pimpbot> planet: fallback options for the video tag <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ChristopherBlizzard/~3/KdCnjer-jAE/> ** This Week Day in HTML 5 - Episode 23 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-day-in-html-5-episode-23>
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