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  8. # [02:48] * Topic is 'Pursuing conformance solutions for the N-body gravitational system known as "the Web", and in general, collectively performing various acts of unparalleled hubris (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/)'
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  11. # [03:13] <karl> done a few edits on html5/xhtml5
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  33. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> Hixie: about http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/browsers.html#origin
  34. # [08:53] <pimpbot> Title: 6 Web browsers HTML 5 (at www.whatwg.org)
  35. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> what's an "opaque identifier"?
  36. # [08:54] * MikeSmith noticed timeless_mbp was asking yesterday
  37. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> timeless_mbp: did Hixie or anybody reply to those questions you asked here yesterday?
  38. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> I would help if I actually knew the answers myself...
  39. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> which I don't
  40. # [08:54] <Hixie> an identifier from which you cannot derive meaning
  41. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> in reading the definition of origin before I guess I assumed "opaque identifier" in that context would be clear to implementors
  42. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> but if it's not clear to timeless_mbp ...
  43. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> Hixie: OK, I understand the general meaning
  44. # [08:55] <MikeSmith> if that's all that's necessary to understand about it, then I guess it's fine as-is and no clarification is needed in the spec text
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  46. # [08:57] <MikeSmith> Hixie: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20090708#l-140
  47. # [08:58] <pimpbot> Title: IRC logs: w3c / #html-wg / 20090708 (at krijnhoetmer.nl)
  48. # [08:58] <MikeSmith> timeless_mbp was also asking, "# [15:56] <timeless_mbp> what sort of "extra data" might appear in those tuples/"
  49. # [08:58] <MikeSmith> etc.
  50. # [09:00] <Hixie> the spec mentions ssl certs
  51. # [09:00] <Hixie> other than that, dunno
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  107. # [16:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7089] CDATA escapes need to close upon --\s*!> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0029.html> ** [Bug 7011] [in off-bug discussion] canvas accessible fallback provision is under specified <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0028.html>
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  118. # [17:03] <pimpbot> planet: jQuery Visualize: Updated accessible charts and graphs <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/6UUH9R8Pec8/jquery-visualize-updated-accessible-charts-and-graphs>
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  120. # [17:52] <DanC> can we clean up the tracker a bit before we start the telcon, folks? e.g. Julian, is it OK if I move your about: action back some weeks?
  121. # [17:53] <Julian> DanC: yes, that sounds good (me currently in anoher telco)
  122. # [17:54] <DanC> ACTION-103 due 30 July
  123. # [17:54] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-103.
  124. # [17:54] <trackbot> ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme due date now 30 July
  125. # [17:54] <DanC> action-86?
  126. # [17:54] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-86
  127. # [17:54] <trackbot> ACTION-86 -- Julian Reschke to review Thomas Broyer's IETF ID to see if we can postpone ISSUE-13 -- due 2009-07-02 -- OPEN
  128. # [17:54] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/86
  129. # [17:54] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-86 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  130. # [17:54] <DanC> how about that one, Julian?
  131. # [17:55] <DanC> action-96?
  132. # [17:55] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-96
  133. # [17:55] <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-07-08 -- OPEN
  134. # [17:55] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/96
  135. # [17:55] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  136. # [17:55] <Julian> Thomas is working on it, but I doubt we'll sess something new from him before the IETF meeting; thus += 2 weeks...
  137. # [17:56] <Julian> (related to ACTION-86, that is)
  138. # [17:56] <DanC> action-86 due 23 July
  139. # [17:56] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-86.
  140. # [17:56] <trackbot> ACTION-86 Review Thomas Broyer's IETF ID to see if we can postpone ISSUE-13 due date now 23 July
  141. # [17:57] * Lachy will dial in for the telcon today
  142. # [17:57] <Lachy> since Anne is on holidays
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  145. # [18:00] <pimpbot> masinter: Sent 2 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, and 18 minutes ago: <MikeSmith> there is dc:* metadata and a comment in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/att-0085/W3C_and_APIs.htm that seem to indicate how it was generated
  146. # [18:00] * DanC wonders about moving aria above summary
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  149. # [18:06] <rubys1> trackbot, start meeting
  150. # [18:06] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  151. # [18:06] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  152. # [18:06] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  153. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  154. # [18:06] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  155. # [18:06] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  156. # [18:06] <trackbot> Date: 09 July 2009
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  158. # [18:06] <Lachy> Zakim, passcode?
  159. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, Lachy, I don't know what conference this is
  160. # [18:06] <DanC> Zakim, this will be HTML
  161. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, DanC, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  162. # [18:06] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  163. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  164. # [18:06] <Lachy> Zakim, passcode?
  165. # [18:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Lachy
  166. # [18:06] <Zakim> +DanC
  167. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
  168. # [18:06] <masinter> zakim, who's on the phone
  169. # [18:07] * masinter hmmms
  170. # [18:07] <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  171. # [18:07] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', masinter
  172. # [18:07] * masinter didn't see +masinter
  173. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aaaa
  174. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, ??P5, Matt_May, Masinter, Murray_Maloney, DanC, +49.251.280.aaaa
  175. # [18:07] <Lachy> Zakim, I am 49.251.280.aaaa
  176. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  177. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P30
  178. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, Lachy, I do not see a party named '49.251.280.aaaa'
  179. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  180. # [18:07] <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is Lachy
  181. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aabb
  182. # [18:08] <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
  183. # [18:08] <johndrinkwater> I guess I might be ??P5- no mic though..
  184. # [18:08] <DanC> Topic: Convene, take roll, review agenda
  185. # [18:08] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-32 (table-summary)
  186. # [18:08] <Lachy> Zakim, I am ??P30
  187. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Lachy; got it
  188. # [18:08] <masinter> i suggest calling this a "straw poll" rather than a "vote"?
  189. # [18:08] <DanC> regrets+ Joshue
  190. # [18:09] <DanC> LMM: i suggest calling this a "straw poll" rather than a "vote"
  191. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P36
  192. # [18:10] <DanC> DanC: that would make it non-binding
  193. # [18:10] <DanC> LMM: yes, but it would predict the results of a binding vote pretty well
  194. # [18:10] <Stevef> zakim,??P30 is Stevef
  195. # [18:10] <Zakim> I already had ??P30 as Lachy, Stevef
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  198. # [18:10] * Lachy damn, I'm not sure which caller is me if Zakim thinks ??P30 is Stevef
  199. # [18:10] <Stevef> zakim, ??P36 is Stevef
  200. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
  201. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  202. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  203. # [18:11] <Laura> +Laura
  204. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Mike
  205. # [18:11] * Zakim wonders where Laura is
  206. # [18:11] <DanC> DanC: there's a possibility that a vote will be avoided consensus?
  207. # [18:11] <DanC> LMM: but a straw poll would help in any case; it eliminates possibilities that noone supports
  208. # [18:11] <Lachy> I would prefer a straw poll
  209. # [18:12] <DanC> MM: I have my doubts [about a straw poll]
  210. # [18:12] <DanC> Laura: we could do a straw poll and then a vote
  211. # [18:12] <masinter> wouldn't need to review "good standing" of wg members who haven't been active
  212. # [18:12] <DanC> DanC: I think a straw poll is a good idea
  213. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> action-59 due 2009-07-03
  214. # [18:13] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-59.
  215. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-59 Track progress on edits related to issue-38 style-attr-syntax in section html5/#style0 due date now 2009-07-03
  216. # [18:13] <DanC> MM: on research... I'm in contact with Jutta Trev. [sp?] at [u. toronto?]; perhaps next week I can give more info on usability studies
  217. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> oops
  218. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-59?
  219. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-59
  220. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-59 -- Should the HTML WG produce a separate document that is a normative language reference and if so what are the requirements -- OPEN
  221. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/59
  222. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-59 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  223. # [18:14] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-59 (normative-language-reference)
  224. # [18:14] <DanC> action-109?
  225. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-109
  226. # [18:14] <trackbot> ACTION-109 -- Michael(tm) Smith to hand out work to reviewers of H:TML -- due 2009-06-25 -- OPEN
  227. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/109
  228. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  229. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> action-109 due 2009-07-23
  230. # [18:14] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-109.
  231. # [18:14] <trackbot> ACTION-109 hand out work to reviewers of H:TML due date now 2009-07-23
  232. # [18:15] <masinter> question about whether document compliance ("authoring requirements") might be better handled here
  233. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> action-110 due 2009-07-23
  234. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-110.
  235. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-110 Add note to H:TML draft about what's currently missing and planned to be added due date now 2009-07-23
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  237. # [18:15] <DanC> LMM: there was a bugzilla bug and such about authoring requirements...
  238. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  239. # [18:16] <DanC> ... whether they belong in the same spec with how-to-build-a-browser...
  240. # [18:16] <DanC> ... so that's something to consider
  241. # [18:17] <DanC> Mike: not much news on my action; moved them back a couple weeks.
  242. # [18:17] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-60 (html5-xhtml-namespace)
  243. # [18:17] <rubys1> zakim, who is making noise?
  244. # [18:17] <DanC> Sam: I suggest that the recent announcement about the XHTML 2 WG addresses my action
  245. # [18:17] <Zakim> rubys1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (19%), Murray_Maloney (19%)
  246. # [18:18] <DanC> close ACTION-105
  247. # [18:18] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-105.
  248. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-105 Should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. closed
  249. # [18:18] <Lachy> yes, close this issue
  250. # [18:18] <DanC> LMM: there may be some follow-up
  251. # [18:19] <Lachy> XHTML 2.0 will end life as a WG NOTE
  252. # [18:19] <DanC> MM: does this announcement mean XHTLM 2.0 won't be produced?
  253. # [18:19] <DanC> Sam: I expect it'll become a Note
  254. # [18:20] <Julian> q+
  255. # [18:20] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  256. # [18:20] <DanC> ack Julian
  257. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  258. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> ack Julian
  259. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  260. # [18:20] <DanC> Julian: if XHTML 2 is published as a Note, which namespace woudl it use?
  261. # [18:20] * masinter thinks there still may be some review of the 'note'.
  262. # [18:20] <DanC> Lachy: It won't matter, as a Note isn't something people are likely to deploy/implement
  263. # [18:22] <DanC> MM: I'm a little confused... HTML 5 uses which namespace?
  264. # [18:23] <DanC> MM: does W3C have namespace policies?
  265. # [18:23] <Lachy> I suppose someone could take an ISSUE to contact the XHTML-WG and ask that their work be published as a NOTE using the previously used 2002/02/xhtml2 (I think) namespace from older working drafts
  266. # [18:23] <DanC> DanC: yes
  267. # [18:23] <Lachy> s/an ISSUE/an ACTION/
  268. # [18:23] <DanC> MM: is there a missing policy?
  269. # [18:25] <DanC> DanC: I don't think so; I think what we need re this issue is done; there were 2 WGs specifying the /1999/xhtml namespace and now there's one
  270. # [18:25] <masinter> Murray is still concerned about the continuity of the xhtml namespace
  271. # [18:26] <masinter> I will take an action item in 2 weeks to insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on this
  272. # [18:26] <masinter> OK?
  273. # [18:26] <DanC> ACTION: Larry insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on XHTML 2 interactions with the /1999/xhtml namespace
  274. # [18:26] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  275. # [18:26] * RRSAgent records action 1
  276. # [18:26] <trackbot> Created ACTION-129 - insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on XHTML 2 interactions with the /1999/xhtml namespace [on Larry Masinter - due 2009-07-16].
  277. # [18:26] <DanC> action-129 due 23 July
  278. # [18:26] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-129.
  279. # [18:26] <trackbot> ACTION-129 insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on XHTML 2 interactions with the /1999/xhtml namespace due date now 23 July
  280. # [18:26] <masinter> i think there needs to be another action to review any "Note" that comes out about XHTML2 to make sure that it doesn't contain text redefining 1999/xhtml incompatibily
  281. # [18:27] <Lachy> Murray, XHTML5 retains compatibility with existing XHTML 1.0 namespaced documents.
  282. # [18:27] <masinter> this 'issue' was an administrative one, there's likely a technical one too
  283. # [18:27] <DanC> MM: I'm concerned that if HTML 5 use the /1999/xhtml namespace it'll upset compatibility expectations
  284. # [18:28] <DanC> Sam: if HTML 5 used a different namespace it would break existing content on the web
  285. # [18:29] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)
  286. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> action-96?
  287. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-96
  288. # [18:29] <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-07-08 -- OPEN
  289. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/96
  290. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  291. # [18:29] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)
  292. # [18:29] <DanC> LMM: the TAG discussed this in a recent ftf... [see www-tag for minutes]... I expect the document discussed will be revised w.r.t. that discussion...
  293. # [18:30] <DanC> ... my hope was to relate some well-understood principles to the doctype/versioning issue... I'm optimistic
  294. # [18:31] <DanC> ACTION-108 due 23 July
  295. # [18:31] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-108.
  296. # [18:31] <trackbot> ACTION-108 Report back on the TAG's work on versioning wrt HTML due date now 23 July
  297. # [18:31] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-35 (aria-processing)
  298. # [18:32] <DanC> Cynthia: we put out a WD 8 Jun
  299. # [18:32] <DanC> q+
  300. # [18:32] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  301. # [18:32] <DanC> ... things are on track...
  302. # [18:32] <DanC> ... I have a TF participant from Opera; still hoping for particpation from Apple
  303. # [18:32] <DanC> acton-114 due 1 Aug
  304. # [18:33] <DanC> Cynthia: the draft is "aria implementation guide"
  305. # [18:34] <masinter> (re versioning, TAG discussed it at its F2F meeting, http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda.html, based on document http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-html/versioning-html-20090611.html ). Minutes forthcoming, but update to document based on discussion should be out in 2 weeks
  306. # [18:34] <pimpbot> Title: About http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda.html (at www.w3.org)
  307. # [18:34] <DanC> DanC: does the draft have examples, sorta seeds of test cases?
  308. # [18:34] <DanC> Cynthia: perhaps... it does have some examples
  309. # [18:35] <DanC> ack danc
  310. # [18:35] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  311. # [18:35] <DanC> Topic: TPAC 2009 admin
  312. # [18:36] <DanC> Mike: I did it... interested to know if the chairs are OK with it
  313. # [18:36] <DanC> Sam: OK by me; go ahead
  314. # [18:36] <DanC> [pointer?]
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  316. # [18:36] <DanC> action-115?
  317. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-115
  318. # [18:36] <trackbot> ACTION-115 -- Michael(tm) Smith to set up WBS for HTML WG participants to attend HTML WG f2f during TPAC 2009 -- due 2009-05-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  319. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/115
  320. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-115 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  321. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> action-115?
  322. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-115
  323. # [18:36] <trackbot> ACTION-115 -- Michael(tm) Smith to set up WBS for HTML WG participants to attend HTML WG f2f during TPAC 2009 -- due 2009-05-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  324. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/115
  325. # [18:36] <DanC> draft seems to be http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/2009-11-f2f/
  326. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
  327. # [18:37] <MikeSmith> DanC, yep
  328. # [18:37] <DanC> action-123 due 23 July
  329. # [18:37] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-123.
  330. # [18:37] <trackbot> ACTION-123 Discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5 due date now 23 July
  331. # [18:38] <DanC> Topic: URI/URL issue @@
  332. # [18:38] <masinter> action-125?
  333. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-125
  334. # [18:38] <trackbot> ACTION-125 -- Julian Reschke to coordinate with LMM and DanC to get an Internet Draft that addresses some HTML 5 href issues -- due 2009-07-02 -- OPEN
  335. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/125
  336. # [18:38] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-125 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  337. # [18:39] <DanC> Julian: we're organizing a BOF at the next IETF, and Larry is working on updating the IRI spec
  338. # [18:39] <DanC> Larry: I started from the IRI spec, thinking this is a new protocol element, separate from IRIs and and LEIRIs, but I think this [?] is a change to the mapping from IRI to URI...
  339. # [18:40] <DanC> ... but I think the mapping needs another parameter, i.e. the encoding of the document character set, which defaults to utf-8...
  340. # [18:40] <DanC> ... also, space handling should be tweaked...
  341. # [18:41] <Julian> q+
  342. # [18:41] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  343. # [18:41] <Julian> q-
  344. # [18:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  345. # [18:41] <DanC> (yup, sounds right to me)
  346. # [18:42] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  347. # [18:42] <DanC> Larry: that's the design I have in mind ... I haven't gotten around to soliciting review by email
  348. # [18:43] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  349. # [18:43] <DanC> Julian: hmm... that's not the case in Atom documents... have to be careful about that default
  350. # [18:43] <DanC> Larry: ah; right... yes.
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  352. # [18:44] <Julian> (need to be careful about to which document formats the new encoding consderations apply - HTML5 would, Atom not (?))
  353. # [18:44] <DanC> ACTION-125 due 1 Aug
  354. # [18:44] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-125.
  355. # [18:44] <trackbot> ACTION-125 Coordinate with LMM and DanC to get an Internet Draft that addresses some HTML 5 href issues due date now 1 Aug
  356. # [18:45] <DanC> Topic: Overdue actions
  357. # [18:45] <DanC> ACTION-38 due 30 July
  358. # [18:45] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-38.
  359. # [18:45] <trackbot> ACTION-38 Chairs to review need for amending charter with Director due date now 30 July
  360. # [18:45] <DanC> Sam that was pending on the XHTML 2 stuff.
  361. # [18:46] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-7 video-codecs
  362. # [18:48] <masinter> DanC: two minds, like image -- don't need to spec it, other hand, might be important
  363. # [18:48] <masinter> q+
  364. # [18:48] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  365. # [18:49] <DanC> LMM: I think the factors affecting the choice of codec are largely outside the control of this WG: perceptions about licensing, quality, etc. ...
  366. # [18:50] <DanC> ... I'm more concerned with the perception that some decision got made when it didn't
  367. # [18:50] <DanC> ... my suggestion is: the issue is still open...
  368. # [18:52] <DanC> LMM: one idea is a note on the small number of choices and why we haven't chosen
  369. # [18:52] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  370. # [18:52] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  371. # [18:52] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  372. # [18:53] <DanC> LMM: is it possible to move the <video> tag to a separate document, with its own schedule?
  373. # [18:54] <DanC> Sam: I'm interested in volunteers
  374. # [18:54] <DanC> DanC: video is feature #1 in community discussion of HTML 5; separating its schedule would be a challenge
  375. # [18:55] <DanC> Sam: I'm calling for volunteers to take an active position on this issue; Ian has stated his.
  376. # [18:55] * masinter thinks DanC says that <video> without codec is harmful
  377. # [18:55] <DanC> Sam: I note Rob Sayer's start
  378. # [18:55] * masinter thinks that's a 'separate position'
  379. # [18:55] <DanC> ACTION: Sam review status of video codec positions
  380. # [18:55] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  381. # [18:55] * RRSAgent records action 2
  382. # [18:55] <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Review status of video codec positions [on Sam Ruby - due 2009-07-16].
  383. # [18:56] <DanC> action-130 due 30 July
  384. # [18:56] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-130.
  385. # [18:56] <trackbot> ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions due date now 30 July
  386. # [18:56] <Julian> q+
  387. # [18:56] * Zakim sees masinter, Julian on the speaker queue
  388. # [18:56] <masinter> q-
  389. # [18:56] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  390. # [18:56] <DanC> Cynthia: a deadline helps some people
  391. # [18:56] <DanC> ack next
  392. # [18:56] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  393. # [18:56] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  394. # [18:57] <DanC> Julian: the diff between April and the current draft is that he took out the "it would be nice..." [requirements] text. The actual text to remove the Theora codec was a year ago or so.
  395. # [18:57] <Stevef> q+
  396. # [18:57] * Zakim sees Stevef on the speaker queue
  397. # [18:58] * masinter thinks IMG does have 'common formats'
  398. # [18:58] <rubys1> zakim, who is making noise?
  399. # [18:58] <DanC> Julian: I'm not sure why the statement of desired codec was removed
  400. # [18:58] <Julian> the text that was removed recently is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090423/video.html#video-and-audio-codecs-for-video-elements
  401. # [18:58] <pimpbot> Title: HTML 5 (at www.w3.org)
  402. # [18:58] <Zakim> rubys1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Masinter (41%), +1.218.340.aabb (5%)
  403. # [18:58] <shepazu> Zakim, who's noisy?
  404. # [18:58] <Julian> Zakim, who's making noise
  405. # [18:58] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', Julian
  406. # [18:58] <DanC> Zakim, mute aabb
  407. # [18:58] <Zakim> +1.218.340.aabb should now be muted
  408. # [18:58] <Zakim> shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (15%), Cynthia_Shelly (25%), Masinter (9%), Julian (14%), Stevef (52%)
  409. # [18:58] <DanC> Zakim, unmute aabb
  410. # [18:58] <Zakim> +1.218.340.aabb should no longer be muted
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  413. # [19:00] <Julian> Rob's mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0267.html
  414. # [19:00] <pimpbot> Title: proposed audio/video codec text from Rob Sayre on 2009-07-07 (public-html@w3.org from July 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  415. # [19:00] * masinter wants to ask whether anyone on the call thinks that the change -- removing the wording about desirability of a common codec -- was appropriate or they agree with it
  416. # [19:01] <DanC> Doug: didn't Rob S. already take a position?
  417. # [19:01] <masinter> q+
  418. # [19:01] * Zakim sees Stevef, masinter on the speaker queue
  419. # [19:01] <DanC> Sam: I read it as a "what if...?" sort of thing but I'll check
  420. # [19:01] <DanC> Zakim, who's noisy?
  421. # [19:01] <DanC> ack next
  422. # [19:01] * Zakim sees Stevef at the head of the speaker queue
  423. # [19:01] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  424. # [19:01] * Zakim hears Cynthia_Shelly's hand up
  425. # [19:01] * Zakim sees masinter, Cynthia_Shelly on the speaker queue
  426. # [19:01] <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (6%), Cynthia_Shelly (23%), Stevef (66%)
  427. # [19:02] <DanC> SteveF: I'd like canvas accessibility to be a tracker action
  428. # [19:02] <DanC> (er... issue)
  429. # [19:02] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/AddedElementCanvas
  430. # [19:02] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/AddedElementCanvas - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  431. # [19:02] <DanC> issue: canvas accessibility
  432. # [19:02] * trackbot noticed an ISSUE. Trying to create it.
  433. # [19:02] <trackbot> Created ISSUE-74 - Canvas accessibility ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74/edit .
  434. # [19:02] <DanC> issue-74: see also http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/AddedElementCanvas
  435. # [19:03] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-74.
  436. # [19:03] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 Canvas accessibility notes added
  437. # [19:03] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/AddedElementCanvas - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  438. # [19:03] * Julian thinks that the removal of that text (about codecs) created confusion and bad press, and probably should be undone for now
  439. # [19:03] <DanC> ACTION: Stevef report on canvas accessibility
  440. # [19:03] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  441. # [19:03] * RRSAgent records action 3
  442. # [19:03] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Stevef
  443. # [19:03] <rubys1> ack stevef
  444. # [19:03] * Zakim sees masinter, Cynthia_Shelly on the speaker queue
  445. # [19:03] * DanC wonders if MikeSmith has spare bandwidth to add stevef to the issue tracking part of the DB
  446. # [19:03] <DanC> ack next
  447. # [19:03] * Zakim sees masinter at the head of the speaker queue
  448. # [19:03] * johndrinkwater agrees with Julian
  449. # [19:03] * Zakim sees Cynthia_Shelly on the speaker queue
  450. # [19:03] <masinter> q-
  451. # [19:03] * Zakim sees Cynthia_Shelly on the speaker queue
  452. # [19:04] <DanC> ack next
  453. # [19:04] * Zakim sees Cynthia_Shelly at the head of the speaker queue
  454. # [19:04] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  455. # [19:04] * MikeSmith DanC, yep
  456. # [19:04] <pimpbot> planet: Which browser has the best support for HTML 5 currently? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/150577/which-browser-has-the-best-support-for-html-5-currently>
  457. # [19:04] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-31 (missing-alt)
  458. # [19:04] <DanC> issue-31?
  459. # [19:04] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-31
  460. # [19:04] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
  461. # [19:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
  462. # [19:04] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  463. # [19:04] <DanC> Cynthia: what happened to the change request?
  464. # [19:04] <DanC> [anybody got a pointer to the change request?]
  465. # [19:05] <Zakim> -??P5
  466. # [19:06] <Laura> WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5
  467. # [19:06] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/Text-Alternatives-in-HTML5
  468. # [19:06] * DanC is having trouble for minuting this discussion
  469. # [19:06] <pimpbot> Title: WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5 (at www.w3.org)
  470. # [19:06] <Lachy> Is this the WAI CG mail being discussed? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0070.html
  471. # [19:06] <pimpbot> Title: WAI-CG Consensus Recommendations on Alternative Text in HTML 5 from Janina Sajka on 2009-06-11 (www-archive@w3.org from June 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  472. # [19:07] <DanC> Cynthia: what's the process for getting traction on this?
  473. # [19:07] <Lachy> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/att-0070/Text-Alternatives-in-HTML5.html
  474. # [19:07] <pimpbot> Title: WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5 (at lists.w3.org)
  475. # [19:07] <DanC> Sam: I'll try to clarify by email...
  476. # [19:08] <DanC> ... I'm working with people getting CVS access, helping them produce documents...
  477. # [19:09] <Lachy> It appears that that WAI CG text alternatives document was never sent to the HTML WG, only to www-archive and wai-xtech
  478. # [19:09] <DanC> Cynthia: the document WAI produced is more of a requirements list
  479. # [19:09] <DanC> SteveF: I'm interested to write the design part
  480. # [19:09] <Lachy> ... so I'm not surprised the HTMLWG haven't done anything with it
  481. # [19:09] <DanC> good point, Lachy
  482. # [19:09] * MikeSmith to DanC - Steve is still in the issue-tracking group n the DB
  483. # [19:09] <DanC> action: steve draft ALT spec
  484. # [19:09] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  485. # [19:09] * RRSAgent records action 4
  486. # [19:09] <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Draft ALT spec [on Steve Faulkner - due 2009-07-16].
  487. # [19:10] <DanC> action-131 due 7 Sep
  488. # [19:10] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-131.
  489. # [19:10] <trackbot> ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec due date now 7 Sep
  490. # [19:10] <Laura> I'll help with it Steve.
  491. # [19:10] <Zakim> -Lachy
  492. # [19:10] <DanC> ADJOURN.
  493. # [19:10] <Zakim> -Julian
  494. # [19:10] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  495. # [19:11] <Zakim> -Sam
  496. # [19:11] <Zakim> -Matt_May
  497. # [19:11] <Zakim> -Masinter
  498. # [19:11] <DanC> ACTION: Stevef report on canvas accessibility
  499. # [19:11] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  500. # [19:11] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Stevef
  501. # [19:11] * RRSAgent records action 5
  502. # [19:11] <DanC> ACTION: Steve report on canvas accessibility
  503. # [19:11] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  504. # [19:11] * RRSAgent records action 6
  505. # [19:11] <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Report on canvas accessibility [on Steve Faulkner - due 2009-07-16].
  506. # [19:11] <Zakim> -Mike
  507. # [19:11] <Stevef> lachy: it was forwarded to the html wg list by shelley powers (i think)
  508. # [19:11] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  509. # [19:11] <DanC> action-132 due 23 July
  510. # [19:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-132.
  511. # [19:11] <trackbot> ACTION-132 Report on canvas accessibility due date now 23 July
  512. # [19:11] <Laura> Zakim, aabb is Laura
  513. # [19:12] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  514. # [19:12] <Laura> bye
  515. # [19:12] <Zakim> -Laura
  516. # [19:12] <Zakim> -DanC
  517. # [19:12] <Lachy> Stevef, ok. I must have missed it. But for future reference, please make sure the WAI CG actually sends feedback to public-html if they intend us to do something abou tit
  518. # [19:13] <Stevef> forwarded 11th june http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/0391.html
  519. # [19:13] <pimpbot> Title: forwarding: WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5 from Shelley Powers on 2009-06-11 (public-html@w3.org from June 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  520. # [19:13] * DanC glues a few actions to issues
  521. # [19:14] <Stevef> lachy: janina missed putting the html wg on the list, i am sure she meant to as it was directed to the HTML WG
  522. # [19:15] <Zakim> -Stevef
  523. # [19:15] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  524. # [19:15] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, Matt_May, Masinter, DanC, Murray_Maloney, Julian, +1.218.340.aabb, Lachy, Stevef, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Shepazu, Laura
  525. # [19:17] * Quits: Stevef (chatzilla@82.44.69.8) (Ping timeout)
  526. # [19:17] <MikeSmith> jobs
  527. # [19:17] <DanC> sam, I wonder if your summary actions should be closed; they seem a little misleading
  528. # [19:18] * MikeSmith oops .. unix jobs command does not as well on irc channels as it does when you type it in bash
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  530. # [19:19] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  531. # [19:19] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/09-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  532. # [19:19] <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
  533. # [19:19] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, DanC
  534. # [19:20] <DanC> chair: Sam
  535. # [19:24] <DanC> action-114 due 1 Aug
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  563. # [21:20] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 09 Jul 2009 (at www.w3.org)
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  600. # [22:37] <pimpbot> changes: "mike: removed the restriction that tools can't generate the legacy doctype unless they are incapable for generating the non-legacy one" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0049.html>
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  609. # [23:19] <MikeSmith> http://my.opera.com/jax/blog/2009/07/07/an-xhtml-2-far
  610. # [23:19] <pimpbot> Title: Jonny Axelsson - An XHTML 2 far (at my.opera.com)
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