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  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:02] <pimpbot> planet: Ogg (theora / vorbis) playback in Firefox 3.6 <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2420967/ogg-theora-vorbis-playback-in-firefox-3-6>
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  5. # [00:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9187] Need transparency in issue and bug status in databases & document." (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0104.html>
  6. # [00:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9187] Need transparency in issue and bug status in databases & document. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0106.html> ** [Bug 8896] Clarify that anyone who is dissatisfied with a bug resolution may reopen or escalate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0105.html>
  7. # [01:02] <pimpbot> planet: How should my application keep clients in sync with schema changes to HTML5 databases? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421400/how-should-my-application-keep-clients-in-sync-with-schema-changes-to-html5-datab> ** Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidation() method? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidation-method>
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  13. # [02:02] <pimpbot> planet: Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidity() method? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidity-method>
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  15. # [02:08] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Mention that non-conforming markup results in non-conforming DOMs in an example, by request. (whatwg r4839) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0089.html>
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  22. # [03:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8896] Clarify that anyone who is dissatisfied with a bug resolution may reopen or escalate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0107.html>
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  24. # [04:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 8896] Clarify that anyone who is dissatisfied with a bug resolution may reopen or escalate" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0108.html>
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  33. # [06:03] <pimpbot> planet: Dev.Opera: Everything you need to know about HTML5 video and audio <http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1531>
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  36. # [06:09] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: minor MIMESNIFf synchronisation (whatwg r4840) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0090.html>
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  43. # [07:03] <pimpbot> planet: Chrome/Webkit audio tag bug? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2422598/chrome-webkit-audio-tag-bug> ** Which technology is best to develop web2.0? Flex,JavaFX and html5 <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2406698/which-technology-is-best-to-develop-web2-0-flex-javafx-and-html5>
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  53. # [07:57] <MikeSmith> issue-80?
  54. # [07:57] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  55. # [07:57] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
  56. # [07:57] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  57. # [07:57] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  65. # [09:04] <pimpbot> planet: Conflict between display none and the scrolling text what can instead of using display none <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2423157/conflict-between-display-none-and-the-scrolling-text-what-can-instead-of-using-di>
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  70. # [09:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9224] It should be mentioned that setting playbackRate can be ignored. I.e. if playing backwards is not supported by the codec, if hardware acceleration does not support it, etc. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0110.html> ** [Bug 9224] New: It should be mentioned that setting playbackRate can be ignored. I.e. if playing backwards is not supported by the codec, if hardware acceleration does not support it
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  77. # [10:32] <MikeSmith> @tell mjs I'm around now, for a while
  78. # [10:32] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: You got it, player.
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  81. # [10:34] <pimpbot> mjs: Sent 1 minute ago: <MikeSmith> I'm around now, for a while
  82. # [10:35] <mjs> MikeSmith: I wanted to talk to you about bugs
  83. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> mjs: oK
  84. # [10:36] <mjs> MikeSmith: there are two potentially useful things you could help with
  85. # [10:36] * MikeSmith nods
  86. # [10:37] <mjs> (1) possibly you could do the monthly report of bug stats that I've been doing (though I actually kind of like doing that, because it makes me more aware of what is going on with bugs)
  87. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> OK.. maybe we could also set up a way to automate that
  88. # [10:38] <mjs> (2) in theory according to the decision policy, someone should be checking bugs in RESOLVED state to make sure they contain the required info (the Editor's Response, a link to the spec diff if there was actually a spec change, a rationale that is actually some sort of meaningful rationale)
  89. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> mjs: OK, I think we could automate that as well
  90. # [10:38] <mjs> and if the bug does have that stuff, it should be moved to VERIFIED, and if not it should probably be reopened
  91. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> I see
  92. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> yeah, that makes sense
  93. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> I can definitely help with that, one way or the other
  94. # [10:39] <mjs> it could be automated, but I think the idea was to do some level of human checking (though I suspect an automated tool could catch at least some obviously wrong cases)
  95. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> yes, true
  96. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> hey, I do want to talk about this more, but I got to drop off
  97. # [10:39] <mjs> sure, I have to go too
  98. # [10:39] <mjs> later!
  99. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> later man
  100. # [10:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9225] New: lax interpretation of legacy encoding decl allows attackers to change encoding of a page <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0111.html>
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  117. # [12:05] <pimpbot> planet: Need HTML5 XML-mode "Hello, World" trivial web page example <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2424157/need-html5-xml-mode-hello-world-trivial-web-page-example>
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  119. # [13:05] <pimpbot> planet: Pune and Mumbai <http://arunranga.com/blog/2010/03/pune-and-mumbai/> ** SVG Wow! <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/CgfloplT8cM/svg-wow>
  120. # [13:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9224] It should be mentioned that setting playbackRate can be ignored. I.e. if playing backwards is not supported by the codec, if hardware acceleration does not support it, etc. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0112.html>
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  128. # [14:05] <pimpbot> planet: Streaming via RTSP or RTP in HTML5 <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1735933/streaming-via-rtsp-or-rtp-in-html5>
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  135. # [14:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9226] New: The subcategories of form-associated elements should have consistent naming. Probably all of them should end in "elements". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0113.html>
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  142. # [15:05] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 video tag in chrome - wmv <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2425218/html5-video-tag-in-chrome-wmv>
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  151. # [17:06] <pimpbot> planet: Do HTML5 custom data attributes “work” in IE 6? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2412947/do-html5-custom-data-attributes-work-in-ie-6>
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  167. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  168. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  169. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  170. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  172. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  173. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  174. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  175. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2010
  176. # [18:01] <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  177. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  178. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  179. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  180. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Mike
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  182. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  183. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Sam
  184. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  185. # [18:02] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  186. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  187. # [18:02] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
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  191. # [18:02] <janina> zakim, call janina
  192. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
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  195. # [18:02] <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
  196. # [18:02] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  197. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Julian
  198. # [18:02] <cardona507> Good morning everyone
  199. # [18:03] * rubys waves
  200. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  201. # [18:03] * plh_ zakim, call plh-work
  202. # [18:03] * Zakim ok, plh_; the call is being made
  203. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Plh
  204. # [18:03] <Zakim> -??P0
  205. # [18:03] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  206. # [18:03] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  207. # [18:03] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0020.html
  208. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-11: decision policy, proposals, task forces from Sam Ruby on 2010-03-10 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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  210. # [18:03] <Zakim> -Janina
  211. # [18:03] * plh_ zakim, who is on the phone?
  212. # [18:03] * Zakim sees on the phone: MikeSmith, [Microsoft], Sam, Michael_Cooper, cardona507 (muted), Julian, [Microsoft.a], Plh
  213. # [18:03] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  214. # [18:03] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  215. # [18:03] <janina> zakim, drop janina
  216. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
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  218. # [18:03] <janina> zakim, call janina
  219. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  220. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Janina
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  224. # [18:04] <RobEnnals_> zakim, ??P0 is me
  225. # [18:04] <Zakim> +RobEnnals_; got it
  226. # [18:04] <Zakim> -Janina
  227. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, call janina
  228. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  229. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Janina
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  231. # [18:05] <paulc> scribe is paulc
  232. # [18:05] <janina> zakim, drop janina
  233. # [18:05] <Zakim> Janina is being disconnected
  234. # [18:05] <Zakim> -Janina
  235. # [18:05] <mjs> hi all
  236. # [18:05] <janina> zakim, call janina
  237. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  238. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Janina
  239. # [18:05] <rubys> scribe: paulc
  240. # [18:05] <rubys> scribenick: paulc
  241. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: Action Items Pending Review
  242. # [18:06] <paulc> None this week.
  243. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thu Mar 11
  244. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Matt
  245. # [18:06] <pimpbot> planet: Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidation() method? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidation-method>
  246. # [18:06] <Zakim> -Janina
  247. # [18:06] <paulc> Deferred to TF discussions.
  248. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Mjs
  249. # [18:06] <janina> zakim, drop janina
  250. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
  251. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: WG Decision Policy
  252. # [18:06] <janina> zakim, call janina
  253. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  254. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Janina
  255. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  256. # [18:07] <paulc> There is a recent dialogue between mjs and Larry Masinter.
  257. # [18:07] * Joins: Laura (lauracarls@131.212.98.217)
  258. # [18:07] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
  259. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  260. # [18:07] <paulc> Maciej is going to prepare a Editor's draft to deal with some of the bugs.
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  262. # [18:07] <paulc> Co-chairs will discussion which bugs to deal with and then the WG will have an opportunity to review and discuss.
  263. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Laura
  264. # [18:08] <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
  265. # [18:09] <paulc> Timeframe for Editor's draft: in two weeks.
  266. # [18:09] <Zakim> rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (9%), Sam (47%), Mjs (27%), MikeSmith (29%)
  267. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute Mike
  268. # [18:09] <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
  269. # [18:09] <rubys> topic: Call For Consensus that close by Mar 4
  270. # [18:09] <paulc> None this week.
  271. # [18:09] <rubys> topic: Call for Proposals that close by Thu Mar 11
  272. # [18:10] <rubys> ISSUE-66?
  273. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  274. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  275. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  276. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  277. # [18:10] <paulc> Issue-66: there are 2 counter proposals which means we have a total of 3 proposals.
  278. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-66.
  279. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 image analysis heuristics notes added
  280. # [18:10] <rubys> ISSUE-79?
  281. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-79
  282. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-79 -- Meta/@name=keywords should be specified (and made conforming) -- OPEN
  283. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/79
  284. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-79 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  285. # [18:10] <paulc> Chairs will review status and will decide how to proceed.
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  289. # [18:10] <paulc> No objections to proposal and at the end of this meeting will declare that we have consensus on Issue-79.
  290. # [18:10] <rubys> topic: Items that close next week
  291. # [18:11] <paulc> Issue-79 would then be moved to Pending Review until WG can verify editor's changes.
  292. # [18:11] <paulc> No items close next week.
  293. # [18:11] <rubys> topic: New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
  294. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  295. # [18:11] <paulc> None this week.
  296. # [18:11] <rubys> topic: New Calls for Counter Proposals this Week
  297. # [18:11] <paulc> None this week.
  298. # [18:12] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
  299. # [18:12] <paulc> None this week.
  300. # [18:12] <rubys> topic: Task Force Status Reports
  301. # [18:12] <paulc> Testing TF report: Kris K
  302. # [18:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8646] Private communication exception <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0114.html>
  303. # [18:12] <krisk> Meet as planned on 3/9/2010
  304. # [18:12] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Mar/0006.html
  305. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: [minutes] 20100309 HTML Test Suite Task Force from Philippe Le Hegaret on 2010-03-09 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  306. # [18:12] <krisk> Working on the submission/approval procedures
  307. # [18:12] <paulc> TF is working on test case submission and approval procedures.
  308. # [18:13] <plh_> --> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/ Mercurial repository for the HTML Test Suite
  309. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: html: shortlog (at dvcs.w3.org)
  310. # [18:13] <paulc> TF is successfully using Mercurial repository.
  311. # [18:13] <paulc> TF needs more direct involvement in their work.
  312. # [18:13] <paulc> Accessibility TF report:
  313. # [18:13] <rubys> ACTION-138?
  314. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-138
  315. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2010-03-11 -- OPEN
  316. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
  317. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-138 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  318. # [18:14] <paulc> In progress. This ACTION is generating new bugzilla entries.
  319. # [18:14] <paulc> Will be actioned in two weeks at the TF F2F.
  320. # [18:15] <paulc> New target date for ACTION-138 is Mar 25
  321. # [18:15] <rubys> action-138 due mar 25
  322. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-138.
  323. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work due date now mar 25
  324. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-9?
  325. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  326. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- RAISED
  327. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  328. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  329. # [18:16] <paulc> TF discussed today and there is a lot of email discussion. Not currently sure of progression.
  330. # [18:17] <paulc> Hoping to make progress at F2F. May be divide between implementers and accessibility needs.
  331. # [18:17] <paulc> Delivery no earlier than after the A11Y TF F2F in two weeks.
  332. # [18:18] <rubys> issue-30?
  333. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  334. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- OPEN
  335. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  336. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  337. # [18:18] <paulc> TF expects to resolve this at the F2F in 2 weeks. Arrival at the WG is expected for Apr 22.
  338. # [18:19] <rubys> issue-31?
  339. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-31
  340. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
  341. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
  342. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  343. # [18:19] <paulc> TF has a change proposal that needs time and review since it is a biggy.
  344. # [18:19] <paulc> We HAVE to be discussed at the F2F.
  345. # [18:19] <Laura> HTML5 Change Proposal: Replace img Guidance for Conformance Checkers
  346. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  347. # [18:19] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126
  348. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126 - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
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  350. # [18:20] <paulc> May have a proposal for the WG on Apr 22 but this less sure thatn for Issue-30 (previous item).
  351. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-32?
  352. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  353. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
  354. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  355. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  356. # [18:20] <rubys> s/thatn/than/
  357. # [18:20] <paulc> TF thought they were ready 2 weeks ago but were surprize by new counter proposals.
  358. # [18:21] <paulc> Janina has discussed to some authors and Janina is proposing a separate teleconference to resolve possible misunderstandings.
  359. # [18:21] <Laura> ISSUE 32 table-summary: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status#summary
  360. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: Accessibility Change Proposal Status - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  361. # [18:21] <paulc> s/to/with/
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  363. # [18:22] <paulc> Interesting to Janina and others that breakdown is between TF participants that participate in the TF calls and those that don't.
  364. # [18:22] * Julian wishes good luck with that.
  365. # [18:22] <paulc> No predicted arrival date - depends on scheduling said teleconference.
  366. # [18:23] <paulc> Janina suggested proposal for Issue-32 no earlier than 29 April
  367. # [18:23] <rubys> issue-66?
  368. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  369. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  370. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  371. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  372. # [18:24] <paulc> TF would probably be okay with the heuristics going away.
  373. # [18:24] <paulc> Proposals are a) go way b) leave as is c) add more text.
  374. # [18:24] <paulc> Janina thinks tF would prefer a).
  375. # [18:24] <rubys> issue-74?
  376. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  377. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
  378. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  379. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  380. # [18:24] <paulc> s/tF/that TF/
  381. # [18:25] <paulc> GOOD NEWS!
  382. # [18:25] <paulc> TF thinks they may have a 1/3 to 1/2 solution.
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  384. # [18:25] <Laura> Provide accessibility implementation information for focus rectangle and caret : http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibility
  385. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibility - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  386. # [18:25] <paulc> TF telcon approved part of a solution today and this is going out for 48 hours approval.
  387. # [18:25] <paulc> TF expects to forward to WG early next week.
  388. # [18:26] <paulc> A separate proposal on "focus" is being worked on.
  389. # [18:26] <Laura> Improve image maps, don't use @adom: Improve image maps, don't use @adom
  390. # [18:26] <paulc> Opera wants area maps from HTML4 to be added into the proposal.
  391. # [18:26] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/Map4NotAdom
  392. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/Map4NotAdom - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  393. # [18:26] <paulc> This is being suggested as an addendum and is a third part.
  394. # [18:28] <paulc> The "focus" 2nd proposal are considered mandatory to resolve the issue.
  395. # [18:28] <rubys> issue-80?
  396. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  397. # [18:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
  398. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  399. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  400. # [18:28] <paulc> The TF thinks the third proposal may be optional to some TF members.
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  402. # [18:29] <paulc> Issue-80 will be discussed at the F2F and the ETA at the WG is Apr 22.
  403. # [18:29] <rubys> issue-85?
  404. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  405. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- OPEN
  406. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  407. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  408. # [18:30] <paulc> ISSUE-85 will be disccused at the PF F2F and the next update will occur on the Mar 25 WG call.
  409. # [18:30] <paulc> This covers ACTION-170.
  410. # [18:31] <Laura> Accessibility Issues and Change Proposal Status
  411. # [18:31] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
  412. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: Accessibility Change Proposal Status - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  413. # [18:31] <paulc> We will close ACTION-170 and future A11Y TF reports should probably be structured as an issue review like this week.
  414. # [18:31] <Laura> Accessibility Issues and Change Proposal Status
  415. # [18:31] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
  416. # [18:31] <Laura> Minutes from HTML5 Accessibility Task Force Teleconferences
  417. # [18:31] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Meetings/Minutes
  418. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: Meetings/Minutes - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  419. # [18:31] <rubys> topic: Note teleconference time next two weeks due to US DST changes
  420. # [18:32] <paulc> close action-170
  421. # [18:32] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-170.
  422. # [18:32] <trackbot> ACTION-170 Update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues closed
  423. # [18:32] <rubys> topic: Scribe for next meeting
  424. # [18:32] * adrianba will volunteer
  425. # [18:32] <paulc> USA goes on DST this weekend which will cause times for next two weeks to be different in non-NA locations.
  426. # [18:32] <paulc> Adrian will scribe next week.
  427. # [18:32] <paulc> Ready to adjourn?
  428. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  429. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  430. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Matt
  431. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Julian
  432. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Sam
  433. # [18:33] <cardona507> Thanks everyone
  434. # [18:33] <Laura> bye
  435. # [18:33] <paulc> Adjourned at :30 after the hour.
  436. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Plh
  437. # [18:33] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  438. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop MIke
  439. # [18:33] <cardona507> bye
  440. # [18:33] <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
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  448. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  449. # [18:33] <Zakim> -cardona507
  450. # [18:33] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  451. # [18:33] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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