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  47. # [11:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10657] New: integration of "aria-autocomplete" with the various autocompletion mechanisms in html5 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0816.html> ** "[Bug 10656] The spec says that for scripts the BOM overrides the HTTP charset" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0815.html> ** [Bug 10656] New: The spec says that @charset overrides the HTTP charset
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  53. # [12:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10656] The spec says that for scripts the BOM overrides the HTTP charset <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0817.html>
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  58. # [13:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10657] integration of "aria-autocomplete" with the various autocompletion mechanisms in html5 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0818.html>
  59. # [13:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10657] integration of "aria-autocomplete" with the various autocompletion mechanisms in html5" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0819.html>
  60. # [13:56] <pimpbot> planet: Video Conferencing with the HTML5 Device Element <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/h7GnY6IUKN4/video-conferencing-with-the-html5-device-element>
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  62. # [14:27] <anne> Julian, was the user warning issue supposed to be part of 160 or not?
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  66. # [14:47] <Julian> Anne, hi. No, that's another one...
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  68. # [14:48] <Julian> -> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/238
  69. # [14:48] <pimpbot> Title: #238 (Requirements for user intervention during redirects) – httpbis (at trac.tools.ietf.org)
  70. # [14:49] <anne> k thanks
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  72. # [14:50] <Julian> while we are at it: what are your thoughts about doing *less* rewriting (instead of no rewriting) on 301/302 (so rewrite *only* POST; that's what IE does)
  73. # [14:53] <anne> would IE implement <form method=PUT> that way too?
  74. # [14:53] <Julian> does anybody implement that right now?
  75. # [14:53] <anne> not sure where else custom methods are exposed to the platform
  76. # [14:53] <anne> I think Firefox and Opera do
  77. # [14:54] <anne> at least Minefield
  78. # [14:54] <Julian> hmm
  79. # [14:54] <Julian> which means it's time to make progress on that
  80. # [14:54] <Julian> does HTML5 say anything about redirect behavior here?
  81. # [14:55] <anne> I don't think so
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  83. # [14:55] <anne> does seem weird though if POST behaves completely different from PUT/DELETE
  84. # [14:56] <pimpbot> planet: Firefox 4: recent changes in Firefox <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/firefox-4-recent-changes-in-firefox/>
  85. # [14:56] <Julian> only if the current POSt behavior would be by design, but it is by accident I think
  86. # [14:57] <Julian> do you recall why HTML5 mentions PUT and DELETE specifically?
  87. # [14:58] <anne> not exactly, that was done five years ago
  88. # [14:58] <Julian> or why the GET action is called "mutate action"?
  89. # [14:58] <anne> maybe XForms compat?
  90. # [14:58] <Julian> hmm
  91. # [14:58] <anne> feature compat, that is
  92. # [14:58] <Julian> do we have test cases for this?
  93. # [14:59] <Julian> ouch
  94. # [14:59] <Julian> :-)
  95. # [14:59] <anne> Mozilla might have public tests
  96. # [15:00] <anne> I haven't really played much with this
  97. # [15:03] <Julian> ack
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  100. # [15:15] <Julian> Anne, I checked with Opera 10.63 and Minefield, and none of them supports methods other than GET and POST (nor IE9beta or Chrome)
  101. # [15:15] <Julian> (minefield as of ca 7 days afo)
  102. # [15:16] <anne> you should prolly upgrade
  103. # [15:17] <Julian> minefield?
  104. # [15:18] <anne> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583288
  105. # [15:18] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 583288 Authorize PUT and DELETE methods for method and formmethod (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
  106. # [15:19] <Julian> interesting
  107. # [15:19] <Julian> am I on the wrong branch?
  108. # [15:20] <anne> have you downloaded from http://nightly.mozilla.org/ ?
  109. # [15:20] <pimpbot> Title: Firefox Nightly Builds (at nightly.mozilla.org)
  110. # [15:21] <anne> otherwise you might on some beta program I suppose
  111. # [15:22] <Julian> I'm building it myself
  112. # [15:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10659] New: GET -> "Mutate action" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0820.html>
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  114. # [16:12] <Julian> Anne, thanks for the pointer to the Minefield change. It appears that change needs more work :-)
  115. # [16:15] <anne> did you test using file: or over http:?
  116. # [16:15] <anne> cause HTML5 assigns some different behavior iirc
  117. # [16:15] <anne> oh well
  118. # [16:16] <Julian> http
  119. # [16:16] <Julian> it appears Minefield doesn't follow POST redirects at all
  120. # [16:16] <Julian> anymore
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  122. # [16:17] <anne> and that went unnoticed for how long? whoa
  123. # [16:23] <Julian> 10 days?
  124. # [16:23] <Julian> Looking at the HTML spec, I'm not convinced that we currently have for PUT and DELETE is useful.
  125. # [16:23] <Julian> For DELETE, at least you can build a useful request.
  126. # [16:24] <Julian> But if the server responds with 200 or 204, then what?
  127. # [16:24] <Julian> For PUT, this would only be useful if you had full control over the payload.
  128. # [16:24] <Julian> PUTting form data seems like a feature with no use case to me...
  129. # [16:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10660] New: use < and > and not &#8592; and &#8594; to indicate previous and next <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0821.html>
  130. # [16:31] <anne> Julian, REST crowd really wanted it
  131. # [16:33] <Julian> since when was that a compelling reason? :-) (counting myself sort of to this group)
  132. # [16:36] <anne> good point
  133. # [16:36] <anne> we should prolly kill it again :)
  134. # [16:38] <Julian> I think it needs more work. Shipping this in FF4 the way it is IMHO would be a bad idea.
  135. # [16:38] <Julian> I just sent email to public-html asking for feedback...
  136. # [16:40] <anne> more seriously, I actually think it should probably be dropped for now
  137. # [16:40] <anne> if it's not implemented in Opera after all, works differently cross-origin, and is in general not that useful... well
  138. # [16:42] <Julian> +1
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  142. # [17:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10661] use an ISO 639-2 specified language for HTML5 documents <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0824.html> ** [Bug 10661] New: use an ISO 639-2 specified language for HTML5 documents <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0823.html> ** [Bug 10660] use < and > and not &#8592; and &#8594; to indicate previous and next <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bug
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  153. # [19:40] <thugbot> [localhost] MikeSmith: bugzilla problem: HTTP error 500
  154. # [19:40] <MikeSmith> yep
  155. # [19:57] <pimpbot> planet: Thanks @stefsull @robdolin for your @HTML5Now reviews http://tantek.com/html5now Looking fwd to your HTML5 sites! <http://tantek.com/2010/263/t1/html5now-reviews-html5-sites> ** Data theft with CSS <http://www.owlfolio.org/htmletc/css-data-theft/>
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  162. # [21:58] <pimpbot> planet: Last week: no more sarcasm, redesigned History UI and limiting freedom <http://peter.sh/2010/09/last-week-no-more-sarcasm-redesigned-history-ui-and-limiting-freedom/>
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  164. # [22:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9985] [parser] How to parse </foo </bar> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0825.html>
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