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  3. # [00:02] <pimpbot> planet: Reddit: Browsers: H.264 HTML5 Video Firefox Plug-in (by MS) <http://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/emfmx/h264_html5_video_firefox_plugin_by_ms/>
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  5. # [00:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10750] [WebSRT voice] Step 6 of "collect WebSRT cue voice and text" modified the "raw text of the cue" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0473.html> ** [Bug 10746] [WebSRT voice] What's the point of failing in "collect WebSRT cue voice and text"? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0472.html> ** [Bug 11445] [WebSRT] "The WebSRT formata" s/a// <http://lists.w3.org/Arc
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  17. # [00:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11431] should mention that .toDataURL() for image/jpeg acts as if the image was composited against black" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0477.html> ** [Bug 10619] [WebSRT voice] Allowing A WebSRT voice declaration when the cue payload is WebSRT metadata text does not make sense, I think. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0475.html> ** "[Bug
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  28. # [02:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10723] support for media fragment URIs in relevant HTML5 elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0478.html>
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  40. # [05:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11559] New: User agent should not be required to filter suggestions from datalist <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0479.html>
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  43. # [06:03] <pimpbot> planet: Jesper Kristensen: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-12-15 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/456>
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  54. # [08:11] <CIA-1> htmlr: Michael(tm) Smith gh-pages * rc13d5d1 / (17 files in 2 dirs): added explanation of implied start and end tags - http://bit.ly/i6erJN
  55. # [08:11] <pimpbot> Title: Commit c13d5d1bd3f9adbe29a3665681adb4948f5b3de9 to sideshowbarker's htmlr - GitHub (at bit.ly)
  56. # [08:48] <pimpbot> changes: mike: added explanation of implied start and end tags <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0055.html>
  57. # [08:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11560] New: object width="600" height="409"> <param name="movie" value="http://fpdownload.adobe.com/strobe/FlashMediaPlayback.swf"></param><param name="flashvars" value="src=http%3A%2F%2Fosmf.org%2Fvideos%2Fcathy2.flv"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="tru <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0480.html>
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  60. # [09:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10723] support for media fragment URIs in relevant HTML5 elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0481.html>
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  62. # [10:04] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: I know I'm *supposed* to say it, but O11 is the best yet. I'm delighted with the new Mail panel (much tidier for me), extensions. And #html5 <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/15321539490611200> ** brucel: Opera 11 is out and you can build extensions for it using HTML5, JS, CSS... http://goo.gl/Dtqji is the place to start. <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/15317246964408320> ** brucel: Opera 11 is out: extensions, tab stacki
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  70. # [11:04] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: .@smiffy More a la Chrome: HTML, CSS, JS, SVG: packaged as W3C Widget, talking to page via HTML5 postmessage. Docs: http://bit.ly/gXGRgF <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/15326456582246400>
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  73. # [12:05] <pimpbot> planet: stevefaulkner: be aware when using the #W3C or validator.nu to check #HTML5 docs containing #ARIA the validation rules are out of date #a11y <http://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/statuses/15348807055179776>
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  91. # [14:05] <pimpbot> planet: Doctype.com: Why is Floated Sidebar Inheriting CSS Formating From Another Element <http://doctype.com/floated-sidebar-inheriting-css-formating-from-another-element>
  92. # [14:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11554] :read-write selector spec is ambiguous on editable input/textarea fields <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0483.html> ** [Bug 11562] New: address tag definition has no relation to it's name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0482.html>
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  94. # [14:49] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Remove extraneous close tag <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0057.html> ** sam: Remove extraneous character <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0056.html>
  95. # [14:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7727] legacy doc type does not need to be discouraged by "SHOULD NOT" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0485.html> ** "[Bug 11554] :read-write selector spec is ambiguous on editable input/textarea fields" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0484.html>
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  98. # [16:06] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: Chums over the pond: Opera 11 is out. Build extensions for it using HTML5, JS, CSS: http://goo.gl/Dtqji is place to start RT @andreasbovens <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/15408740777861121> ** zcorpan: @souders http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/apis-in-html-documents.html#document.write() maybe? <http://twitter.com/zcorpan/statuses/15402689865191424>
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  110. # [17:06] <pimpbot> planet: cheilmann: Spirit of Indiana (Jones) – syncing HTML5 Video with Maps <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/12/spirit-of-indiana-jones-syncing-html5-video-with-maps/>
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  118. # [17:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11326] A proposal to add web application access to home network A/V devices and content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0487.html> ** [Bug 11562] address tag definition has no relation to it's name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0486.html>
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  121. # [17:50] <pimpbot> changes: eliot: Added missing <tbody> element in second table example in sample page code, per bug 11525. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0058.html>
  122. # [17:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11525] Missing tbody element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0488.html>
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  132. # [18:02] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  133. # [18:02] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  134. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  135. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  137. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  138. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  139. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  140. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2010
  141. # [18:03] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  142. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  143. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Sam
  144. # [18:03] <Zakim> -Sam
  145. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Sam
  146. # [18:03] <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  147. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  148. # [18:04] <mjs> ScribeNick: mjs
  149. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Apple]
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  154. # [18:05] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba,krisk
  155. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  156. # [18:05] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0144.html
  157. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-16: status of actions, calls, new decisions, task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-12-15 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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  159. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who is here?
  160. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Sam, [Apple], [Microsoft.a]
  161. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  162. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  163. # [18:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see dpenkler, adrianba, krisk, Zakim, Julian, paulc, rubys, mjs, Lachy, V1R, Stevef, miketayl_r, DougJ, Norm, plh, MikeSmith, aroben, anne, webr3, heycam, homata, arronei,
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  165. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... sideshow, Hixie, jmb, Philip, RRSAgent
  166. # [18:06] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: Oi, @mrlastweek - where's your blog gone?!?!?! #html5 <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/15431572459102208>
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  169. # [18:06] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  170. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  173. # [18:07] <janina> zakim, call janina
  174. # [18:07] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  175. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Janina
  176. # [18:07] <eliot> zakim, [microsoft.aa ] is me
  177. # [18:07] <Zakim> I don't understand '[microsoft.aa ] is me', eliot
  178. # [18:07] <eliot> zakim, [microsoft.aa] is me
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  182. # [18:07] <eliot> zakim, mute me
  183. # [18:07] <Zakim> eliot should now be muted
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  188. # [18:08] * MichaelC a11y tf call was packed agenda
  189. # [18:08] <mjs> Topic: action items due this week
  190. # [18:08] <mjs> Paul: ACTION-190
  191. # [18:08] <mjs> ACTION-190?
  192. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-190
  193. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-190 -- Michael(tm) Smith to fix pubrules problems with "author-only" view of the HTML5 specification -- due 2010-12-10 -- OPEN
  194. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/190
  195. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-190: Fix pubrules problems with "author-only" view of the HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  196. # [18:09] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  197. # [18:09] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  198. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Plh
  199. # [18:09] <mjs> Paul: short summary, Mike said this was hard because the document is autogenerated
  200. # [18:09] <paulc> ACTION-190 on Jan 7, 2011
  201. # [18:09] * janina I'm back ...
  202. # [18:10] <mjs> Paul: he thinks he can fix it before our next publication date
  203. # [18:10] <paulc> ACTION-190 is due on Jan 7, 2011
  204. # [18:10] <rubys> ACTION-190 due on Jan 7, 2011
  205. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-190.
  206. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-190 Fix pubrules problems with "author-only" view of the HTML5 specification due date now on Jan 7, 2011
  207. # [18:10] <mjs> Paul: next action item - ACTION-193, co-chairs to follow up on standardization of WebSRT
  208. # [18:10] <mjs> ACTION-193?
  209. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-193
  210. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Paul Cotton to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2010-12-16 -- OPEN
  211. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
  212. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-193: And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  213. # [18:11] <paulc> ACTION-193 is due on Jan 7, 2011
  214. # [18:11] * rubys hint: don't use the word "is"
  215. # [18:11] <paulc> ACTION-193 due on jan 7, 2011
  216. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-193.
  217. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now on jan 7, 2011
  218. # [18:11] <mjs> Topic: new issues this week
  219. # [18:12] <mjs> Paul: none, but we do have TrackerRequests
  220. # [18:12] <mjs> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  221. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at w3.org)
  222. # [18:12] <mjs> Topic: Items closed last week
  223. # [18:13] <mjs> Paul: 6 items on my original list
  224. # [18:13] <mjs> Paul: first one is ISSUE-128, straw poll for objections
  225. # [18:13] <mjs> ISSUE-128?
  226. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  227. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  228. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  229. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  230. # [18:13] <mjs> Paul: ISSUE-124 on rel-limits, we asked for alternate proposals, and received two total
  231. # [18:13] <mjs> ISSUE-124?
  232. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
  233. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- open
  234. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
  235. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124: nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  236. # [18:14] <mjs> Paul: next item, ISSUE-130
  237. # [18:14] <mjs> ISSUE-130?
  238. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  239. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- open
  240. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
  241. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  242. # [18:14] <mjs> Paul: Chairs declared it closed without prejudice, but we received a Change Proposal, so it has been reopened
  243. # [18:14] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0132.html
  244. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Issue 130 from Richard Schwerdtfeger on 2010-12-15 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  245. # [18:15] <mjs> Paul: next item is ISSUE-132, drop-color-input
  246. # [18:15] <mjs> has been losed without prejudice
  247. # [18:16] <Julian> s/losed/closed/
  248. # [18:16] <mjs> ISSUE-132?
  249. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-132
  250. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-132 -- Drop the color input type -- closed
  251. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/132
  252. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-132: Drop the color input type - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  253. # [18:16] <mjs> Paul: going on to 133
  254. # [18:16] <mjs> ISSUE-133?
  255. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  256. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- closed
  257. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  258. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  259. # [18:17] <mjs> Paul: modal attribute; no Change Proposal received, has been closed without prejudice
  260. # [18:18] <mjs> Janina: original 133 author dropped out, now assigned to Cynthia
  261. # [18:19] <mjs> Paul: (advises Cynthia to simply submit the Change Proposal once ready)
  262. # [18:19] <mjs> Cynthia: ok
  263. # [18:19] <mjs> Paul: just request for it to be reopened once ready
  264. # [18:19] <mjs> Paul: moving on to issue 137 case-insensitive
  265. # [18:19] <mjs> ISSUE-137?
  266. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-137
  267. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] -- closed
  268. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/137
  269. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-137: Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  270. # [18:19] <mjs> Paul: also closed without prejudice for lack of proposals
  271. # [18:19] <mjs> paul: any questions?
  272. # [18:19] <mjs> Topic: items closing this week
  273. # [18:20] <mjs> Paul: ISSUE-118 broken-link-types, closes today
  274. # [18:20] <pimpbot> changes: eliot: changed <mathml> --> <math> per bug 11522 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0059.html>
  275. # [18:21] <mjs> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-118-objection-poll/results
  276. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-118 Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - Straw Poll for Objections - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  277. # [18:21] <mjs> Paul, see poll link above
  278. # [18:22] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0085.html
  279. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118: broken-link-types - Straw Poll for Objections from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-12-09 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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  282. # [18:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11563] New: asdasdasdasdasd asdasdasd aads asdas asdasdasda dasd asdasd <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0496.html> ** [Bug 11529] inferred start tags <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0492.html> ** [Bug 11526] newlines in attribute values <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0493.html> ** [Bug 11524] valid XML documents. <htt
  283. # [18:23] <mjs> Topic: items closing next week
  284. # [18:23] <mjs> Paul: there are none, due to the upcoming holiday period
  285. # [18:23] <mjs> Topic: new calls this week
  286. # [18:23] <mjs> Paul: four this week, ending January 26th
  287. # [18:24] <paulc> ACTION-142?
  288. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-142
  289. # [18:24] <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to look into some questions we have about how the W3C Patent Policy obligations would apply to a joint TF. -- due 2009-09-17 -- CLOSED
  290. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/142
  291. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-142: Look into some questions we have about how the W3C Patent Policy obligations would apply to a joint TF. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  292. # [18:24] <mjs> Paul: first is ISSUE-142 poster-alt
  293. # [18:24] <mjs> Janina: there doesn't seem to be unanimity on this one; much discussion
  294. # [18:24] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  295. # [18:24] <mjs> Paul: next issue
  296. # [18:25] <mjs> Paul: ISSUE-144 conforming-u
  297. # [18:25] <mjs> ISSUE-144?
  298. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  299. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- raised
  300. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  301. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  302. # [18:25] <mjs> Paul: next new call is ISSUE-145 codecs-vs-octet; also closes January 26th
  303. # [18:25] <mjs> ISSUE-145?
  304. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  305. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- raised
  306. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  307. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  308. # [18:25] <mjs> Paul: and finally, ISSUE-146, video-content-muted
  309. # [18:25] <mjs> ISSUE-146?
  310. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  311. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- raised
  312. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
  313. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  314. # [18:26] <mjs> Paul: any comments?
  315. # [18:26] <mjs> Topic: New surveys this week
  316. # [18:26] <mjs> Paul: none this week
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  318. # [18:26] <mjs> Topic: decisions this week
  319. # [18:26] <mjs> Paul: two double-issue decisions
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  321. # [18:26] <mjs> Paul: first was ISSUE-4 / ISSUE-84
  322. # [18:27] <mjs> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-118-objection-poll/results
  323. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-118 Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - Straw Poll for Objections - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  324. # [18:27] <mjs> ISSUE-4?
  325. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-4
  326. # [18:27] <trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- HTML Versioning and DOCTYPEs -- closed
  327. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/4
  328. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-4: HTML Versioning and DOCTYPEs - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  329. # [18:27] <mjs> ISSUE-84?
  330. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-84
  331. # [18:27] <trackbot> ISSUE-84 -- Should spec discourage use of "legacy" doctypes? -- closed
  332. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/84
  333. # [18:27] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0135.html
  334. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-84: Should spec discourage use of "legacy" doctypes? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  335. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-4 (html-versioning) and ISSUE-84 (legacy-doctypes) from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-15 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  336. # [18:27] <mjs> Paul: any comments?
  337. # [18:27] <mjs> Paul: next is ISSUE-74 / ISSUE-105
  338. # [18:27] <mjs> ISSUE-74?
  339. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  340. # [18:27] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- closed
  341. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  342. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74: How accessibility works for is unclear. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  343. # [18:27] <mjs> ISSUE-105?
  344. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-105
  345. # [18:27] <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- closed
  346. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
  347. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105: allow image maps on the canvas element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  348. # [18:27] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0136.html
  349. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-74 canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-12-15 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  350. # [18:28] <mjs> Paul: any comments?
  351. # [18:28] <mjs> Topic: task force reports
  352. # [18:28] <mjs> Paul: Testing task force first
  353. # [18:28] <mjs> Kris: hello
  354. # [18:28] <mjs> Kris: it's gotten slow on the list
  355. # [18:28] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Dec/0011.html
  356. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 12/14/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-12-14 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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  358. # [18:28] <mjs> Kris: we met this week; a few people from Opera showed up
  359. # [18:28] <mjs> Kris: list discussion is mostly from Mozilla/Google people about the harness
  360. # [18:29] <plh> I wasn't able to attend the testing call this week, sorry Kris.
  361. # [18:29] <krisk> thread about harness http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Dec/0012.html
  362. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: RE: Request for Feedback On Test Harness from Kris Krueger on 2010-12-14 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  363. # [18:29] <mjs> Paul: anything else?
  364. # [18:29] <mjs> Kris: people are looking at Philip Taylor's canvas tests
  365. # [18:29] <mjs> Paul: whoah, bad echo
  366. # [18:30] <mjs> PLH: we are going to approve a bunch of tests
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  368. # [18:30] <mjs> Paul: how many on deck?
  369. # [18:30] <mjs> Kris: about 500
  370. # [18:30] <mjs> PLH: what about the audio/video tests from Mark Pilgrim?
  371. # [18:31] <mjs> Kris: tests have feedback; need revision
  372. # [18:32] <krisk> here is philip taylor's canvas tests http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/
  373. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: Index of /html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor (at test.w3.org)
  374. # [18:32] <mjs> Paul: what is the approval date?
  375. # [18:32] <mjs> Kris: I sent it to the list
  376. # [18:32] <krisk> jan 3rd
  377. # [18:32] <krisk> see -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Dec/0011.html
  378. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 12/14/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-12-14 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  379. # [18:32] <mjs> Paul: looking for feedback by January 3rd
  380. # [18:33] <mjs> Paul: any questions for Kris?
  381. # [18:33] <mjs> Paul: next up is Accessibility TF
  382. # [18:34] <mjs> Paul: I hope you can cover the ISSUE-122 status
  383. # [18:34] <mjs> Janina: that and a couple of related issues, namely 80 and 31, we did indeed talk about
  384. # [18:34] <mjs> Janina: we worked on resolving why we are stuck
  385. # [18:34] <mjs> Janina: we thought we had agreement at TPAC
  386. # [18:35] <mjs> Janina: but we had another proposal forwarded by someone very involved in the TF but not at TPAC or on the telecons
  387. # [18:35] <mjs> Janina: we didn't think it was a good use of the WG's time to ask the WG to resolve between competing proposals
  388. # [18:35] <mjs> Janina: trying to arrange identified small group to get together over the holidays
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  390. # [18:36] <mjs> Janina: a key person has a conflict with the usual telecon time
  391. # [18:36] <mjs> Janina: hoping to resolve by end of the year, but there may just be two proposals
  392. # [18:36] <mjs> Paul: previously promised a proposal in 48 hours
  393. # [18:37] <mjs> Paul: can we record a date for when we can expect a proposal?
  394. # [18:37] <mjs> Janina: January 7th
  395. # [18:38] <mjs> Paul: that covers the status of ISSUE-122
  396. # [18:38] <mjs> Paul: any other task force related items?
  397. # [18:38] <mjs> Janina: promising summary overview of comparison between TTML and WebSRT
  398. # [18:38] <mjs> Janina: thought we had it a week ago
  399. # [18:38] <mjs> Janina: we thought we were ready, but there is some dispute over neutrality
  400. # [18:39] <janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Comparison_Overview
  401. # [18:39] <pimpbot> Title: TextFormat Comparison Overview - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  402. # [18:39] <mjs> Janina: 36-hour consensus call; Friday afternoon we can forward it
  403. # [18:40] <mjs> Paul: (recaps category breakdown)
  404. # [18:40] <mjs> Paul: you are presenting an analysis of the captioning format requirements
  405. # [18:40] <mjs> Janina: yes, related to the captioning format spec
  406. # [18:41] <mjs> Paul: what is the WG intended to do with this analysis?
  407. # [18:42] <mjs> Paul: this is probably input for the captioning format related groups
  408. # [18:42] <mjs> Janina: that may be so
  409. # [18:42] <mjs> Janina: WebSRT doesn't cover all requirements, but set of work items is contained
  410. # [18:42] <mjs> Janina: TTML may need a profile
  411. # [18:42] <mjs> Paul: make sure to let the WG know what they should do with this document
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  414. # [18:45] <mjs> Janina: we may need to do a two hour call
  415. # [18:45] <mjs> Paul: I want to encourage the TF to make sure you are aware of the January 22nd date; make sure to do a triage
  416. # [18:46] <mjs> Topic: other business
  417. # [18:46] <mjs> Paul: we had a CfC to publish
  418. # [18:46] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0135.html
  419. # [18:46] <pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-4 (html-versioning) and ISSUE-84 (legacy-doctypes) from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-15 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  420. # [18:46] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Dec/0078.html
  421. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Publish eight heartbeat drafts as WDs from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-12-08 (public-html@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  422. # [18:47] <anne> (FWIW, I asked Mike and since we're not publishing today I have not updated html5-diff.)
  423. # [18:48] <mjs> Paul: plan is to publish ASAP in January
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  425. # [18:49] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  426. # [18:49] <mjs> Paul: can we have a volunteer to scribe next time?
  427. # [18:50] <mjs> Paul: it will be Sam's turn
  428. # [18:50] <mjs> (to chair)
  429. # [18:50] <mjs> paul: I don't hear any volunteers
  430. # [18:50] <mjs> Topic: adjournment
  431. # [18:50] <mjs> RRSAgent: prepare minutes
  432. # [18:50] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'prepare minutes', mjs. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  433. # [18:51] <Zakim> -Plh
  434. # [18:51] <Zakim> -Julian
  435. # [18:51] <Zakim> -[HP]
  436. # [18:51] <Zakim> -Janina
  437. # [18:51] <mjs> RRSAgent: generate minutes
  438. # [18:51] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/16-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
  439. # [18:51] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  440. # [18:51] <Zakim> -eliot
  441. # [18:51] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  442. # [18:51] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
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  444. # [18:51] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  445. # [18:51] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  446. # [18:51] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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  449. # [18:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11554] :read-write selector spec is ambiguous on editable input/textarea fields <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0499.html> ** [Bug 11563] asdasdasdasdasd asdasdasd aads asdas asdasdasda dasd asdasd <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0498.html> ** [Bug 11562] address tag definition has no relation to it's name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzi
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  451. # [18:57] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
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  455. # [19:06] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: New #html5 support in Opera 11: &lt;progress&gt;, &lt;meter&gt;, placeholder, type=color, tel, search, wobbly bubbles http://bit.ly/htGHii <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/15447342085836800>
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  457. # [19:10] <plh> I wonder what opera 11 is doing with <input type=tel>
  458. # [19:10] <plh> it doesn't seem to be doing anything special
  459. # [19:11] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  460. # [19:11] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  461. # [19:11] * Zakim sees on the phone: Sam
  462. # [19:11] <plh> zakim, drop sam
  463. # [19:11] <Zakim> Sam is being disconnected
  464. # [19:11] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  465. # [19:11] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, paulc, [Apple], [Microsoft], adrianba, krisk, Julian, Janina, eliot, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper, dpenkler, Plh, Laura_Carlson, Radhika_Roy
  466. # [19:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11562] address tag definition has no relation to it's name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0500.html>
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  474. # [19:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11562] address tag definition has no relation to it's name" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0501.html>
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  479. # [20:07] <pimpbot> planet: nimbuin: HTML5 Reset Stylesheet is now in public domain! http://html5doctor.com/html-5-reset-stylesheet/ Thanks @rich_clark ! <http://twitter.com/nimbuin/statuses/15474388744802304>
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  481. # [20:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11563] asdasdasdasdasd asdasdasd aads asdas asdasdasda dasd asdasd <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0506.html> ** [Bug 11556] page updated twice <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0505.html> ** [Bug 11562] address tag definition has no relation to it's name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0504.html> ** [Bug 11559] User agent
  482. # [20:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11560] object width="600" height="409"> <param name="movie" value="http://fpdownload.adobe.com/strobe/FlashMediaPlayback.swf"></param><param name="flashvars" value="src=http%3A%2F%2Fosmf.org%2Fvideos%2Fcathy2.flv"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="tru <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0508.html> ** [Bug 11562] address tag definition has no relation to it's name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/P
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  484. # [21:07] <pimpbot> planet: stevefaulkner: RT @oedipusnj #W3C #HTML5 #Accessibility Task Force meeting minutes for 2010-12-16 http://is.gd/iQEx6 <http://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/statuses/15477141172916224>
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  487. # [21:10] <Othmane> Hello
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  496. # [22:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11259] Use "MUST" consistently to express normative requirements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0509.html>
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  501. # [22:30] <Othmane> Hello everyone !
  502. # [22:31] <Othmane> I'm a new HTML Working Group member
  503. # [22:31] <Othmane> I need some explanations, any one free Please !?
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  505. # [22:32] <plh> it depends on your questions I guess :)
  506. # [22:32] <Othmane> First, I wanna know how the working process going in this WG ! :)
  507. # [22:33] <plh> first, we have several mailing lists and a bugzilla
  508. # [22:33] <plh> and discussions are happening there
  509. # [22:34] <Othmane> Ah, Okay! thank's
  510. # [22:34] <plh> there is a weekly, which mainly there to make that things are moving forward
  511. # [22:34] <plh> weekly call
  512. # [22:34] <plh> which is
  513. # [22:35] <plh> for the difficult issues, there are listed in http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues
  514. # [22:35] <pimpbot> Title: Issues - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  515. # [22:35] <Othmane> Thank's again :)
  516. # [22:35] <plh> you'll see various call for proposals or counter proposals on public-html for them
  517. # [22:35] <Othmane> and Secondly I have a new proposal, how I can present it to the WG ?!
  518. # [22:36] <plh> you should start by sending it into the bugzilla
  519. # [22:36] <plh> if you want the editor to look at it
  520. # [22:37] <plh> if you're just looking for initial feedback, you can send to public-html first
  521. # [22:37] <plh> send it
  522. # [22:37] <Othmane> Okay, Thank's so much for your helpful answers :) !
  523. # [22:37] <plh> you're welcome
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