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  11. # [02:24] <MikeSmith> hober: no idea
  12. # [02:24] <MikeSmith> but could be installed I think
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  65. # [17:07] <glenn> zakim, who's here?
  66. # [17:07] <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I don't know what conference this is
  67. # [17:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see joesteele, adrianba, davidb, Lachy, ksweeney, glenn, plh, ArtB, nonge_, drublic, arronei_, hober, slightlyoff, karl, kennyluck, anne, Dashiva, MikeSmith, hsivonen,
  68. # [17:07] <Zakim> ... lgombos, pingo, Jedi, ed, Philip, trackbot, heycam|away, hiro, webben, inimino, [tm], jmb, krijnh, CIA-1, rektide, gsnedders, paul___irish, johndrinkwater, jgraham, gavin,
  69. # [17:07] <Zakim> ... Hixie
  70. # [17:07] <glenn> zakim, this is html
  71. # [17:07] <Zakim> html matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM, glenn
  72. # [17:07] <glenn> zakim, this is html_wg
  73. # [17:07] <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
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  75. # [17:07] <glenn> zakim, who's here?
  76. # [17:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0
  77. # [17:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see eliot, Zakim, joesteele, adrianba, davidb, Lachy, ksweeney, glenn, plh, ArtB, nonge_, drublic, arronei_, hober, slightlyoff, karl, kennyluck, anne, Dashiva, MikeSmith,
  78. # [17:08] <Zakim> ... hsivonen, lgombos, pingo, Jedi, ed, Philip, trackbot, heycam|away, hiro, webben, inimino, [tm], jmb, krijnh, CIA-1, rektide, gsnedders, paul___irish, johndrinkwater, jgraham,
  79. # [17:08] <Zakim> ... gavin, Hixie
  80. # [17:08] <glenn> zakim, ??p0 is glenn
  81. # [17:08] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  82. # [17:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  84. # [17:08] <eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  85. # [17:08] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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  89. # [17:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  90. # [17:09] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  91. # [17:09] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  92. # [17:09] <Zakim> +??P22
  93. # [17:09] <Zakim> +Joe_Steele
  94. # [17:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  95. # [17:09] <Clarke> zakim, ??P22 is me
  96. # [17:09] <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
  97. # [17:09] <Zakim> +Sam
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  100. # [17:10] <glenn> i can scribe
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  102. # [17:11] <glenn> go ahead adrian
  103. # [17:11] <glenn> zakim, mute me
  104. # [17:11] <Zakim> glenn should now be muted
  105. # [17:11] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  106. # [17:11] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  107. # [17:11] <adrianba> Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
  108. # [17:12] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0024.html
  109. # [17:12] <Zakim> +Wayne_Carr
  110. # [17:12] <glenn> trackbot, start meeting
  111. # [17:12] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  113. # [17:12] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-html-wg-irc
  114. # [17:12] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  115. # [17:12] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  116. # [17:12] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  117. # [17:12] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  118. # [17:12] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  119. # [17:12] <trackbot> Date: 15 March 2012
  120. # [17:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, March 15
  121. # [17:12] <adrianba> mjs: there are none
  122. # [17:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  123. # [17:13] <adrianba> mjs: there are none - there is still a trackerrequest for a post-LC bug
  124. # [17:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  125. # [17:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-170?
  126. # [17:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-170
  127. # [17:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- open
  128. # [17:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
  129. # [17:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-192?
  130. # [17:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-192
  131. # [17:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
  132. # [17:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
  133. # [17:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-204?
  134. # [17:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  135. # [17:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  136. # [17:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  137. # [17:13] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  138. # [17:14] <adrianba> mjs: for 204 we received a proposal and counter proposal
  139. # [17:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  140. # [17:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-187?
  141. # [17:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-187
  142. # [17:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
  143. # [17:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
  144. # [17:14] <adrianba> mjs: proposal for amicable resolution - only one proposal remains
  145. # [17:14] <adrianba> ... closed with no objections
  146. # [17:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-80?
  147. # [17:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  148. # [17:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open
  149. # [17:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  150. # [17:14] <adrianba> mjs: did not receive a counter proposal so likely to go to CfC soon
  151. # [17:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-131?
  152. # [17:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  153. # [17:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  154. # [17:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  155. # [17:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-158?
  156. # [17:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  157. # [17:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- open
  158. # [17:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  159. # [17:15] <Zakim> +hober
  160. # [17:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-205?
  161. # [17:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-205
  162. # [17:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open
  163. # [17:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
  164. # [17:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-179?
  165. # [17:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  166. # [17:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
  167. # [17:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
  168. # [17:15] <Zakim> +??P8
  169. # [17:15] <adrianba> mjs: call for amicable resolution closes mar 15 - only single change proposal remains
  170. # [17:16] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  171. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-193?
  172. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-193
  173. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open
  174. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
  175. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-194?
  176. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  177. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  178. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  179. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-195?
  180. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-195
  181. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- open
  182. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
  183. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-196?
  184. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-196
  185. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling behaviour -- open
  186. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196
  187. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-197?
  188. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-197
  189. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- open
  190. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197
  191. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-199?
  192. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-199
  193. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
  194. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
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  196. # [17:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call mike
  197. # [17:16] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  198. # [17:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-201?
  199. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  200. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  201. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  202. # [17:17] <Zakim> +Mike
  203. # [17:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-190?
  204. # [17:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  205. # [17:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
  206. # [17:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  207. # [17:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  208. # [17:17] <adrianba> mjs: there are none
  209. # [17:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
  210. # [17:17] <adrianba> mjs: there are none
  211. # [17:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  212. # [17:17] <adrianba> mjs: also none
  213. # [17:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  214. # [17:17] <MikeSmith> for the record mikeSmith is on the cal
  215. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> *call
  216. # [17:18] <adrianba> mjs: several other topics to discuss
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  219. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> q?
  220. # [17:18] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  221. # [17:18] <adrianba> ... first CfC to publish heartbeat drafts - there were 2 objections but we believe the correct thing to do is to proceed over those objections - this is a WD and does not require consensus
  222. # [17:19] <adrianba> ... working out how to get these published
  223. # [17:19] <MikeSmith> q+ to talk
  224. # [17:19] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  225. # [17:19] <paulc> The Chairs decision on the heartbeat publication is in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0221.html
  226. # [17:19] <adrianba> MikeSmith: we had some private discussions about the publications
  227. # [17:19] <Zakim> -glenn
  228. # [17:19] <adrianba> ... the chairs were asking me as team contact for the WG to prepare the WDs
  229. # [17:19] <adrianba> ... for publication today
  230. # [17:20] <adrianba> ... i spent a lot of time doing that
  231. # [17:20] <Zakim> +??P0
  232. # [17:20] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  233. # [17:20] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  234. # [17:20] <glenn> zakim, ??p0 is glenn
  235. # [17:20] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  236. # [17:20] <Zakim> +Plh
  237. # [17:20] <adrianba> ... but we had some disagreement about two issues
  238. # [17:20] <adrianba> ... around Hixie spec'ing out the behaviour for dialog element
  239. # [17:20] <adrianba> ... change proposal open for 3 months or more
  240. # [17:21] <adrianba> ... all agree that we need to add that
  241. # [17:21] <adrianba> ... second is for allow-popups on iframe sandbox
  242. # [17:21] <adrianba> ... again no disagreement because webkit and IE are already implementing support for that feature
  243. # [17:21] <adrianba> ... don't have much choice but to spec the behaviour that is implemented
  244. # [17:21] <adrianba> ... we don't have the spec for that behaviour because the implementers didn't provide a spec for it
  245. # [17:22] <adrianba> ... and expect that Hixie is supposed to reverse engineer their implementation
  246. # [17:22] <adrianba> ... I think that that is a significant amount of work - not a matter of adding a paragraph of spec text
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  248. # [17:22] <adrianba> ... requires testing and attempting to document what they implemented
  249. # [17:22] <Zakim> +??P11
  250. # [17:23] <adrianba> ... that's a significant amount of work
  251. # [17:23] <janina> zakim, P11 is Janina
  252. # [17:23] <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
  253. # [17:23] <adrianba> ... WG has decided the spec should include a feature but not assessed the amount of work involved
  254. # [17:23] <adrianba> ... we can't do that and publish today or a week from now
  255. # [17:23] <janina> zakim, ??P11 is Janina
  256. # [17:23] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  257. # [17:24] <adrianba> ... we have to decide when to publish with that
  258. # [17:24] <adrianba> ... same with dialog - CP is not sufficient for implementers to add the dialog in their browsers
  259. # [17:24] <adrianba> ... so there's a large amount of additional work required to implement those decisions
  260. # [17:24] <adrianba> ... it's not going to happen in a week or two weeks
  261. # [17:25] <adrianba> ... not sure how much time it will take to do this given the other work such as canvas Path work
  262. # [17:25] <adrianba> ... i would love to be able to give a date when we can do that
  263. # [17:25] <paulc> The Chairs are planning to meet after this meeting to discuss this status from Mike.
  264. # [17:25] <adrianba> ... but i can't
  265. # [17:26] <adrianba> ... we have the heartbeat obligation to publish at 3 months and we have the obligation from the decision policy that the editor gets something done in time for us to publish an updated WD along with everything else
  266. # [17:26] <adrianba> ... such as the open accessibility issues
  267. # [17:26] <adrianba> ... i suggest we go ahead and publish without these 2 issues resolved
  268. # [17:26] <adrianba> q+
  269. # [17:26] * Zakim sees MikeSmith, adrianba on the speaker queue
  270. # [17:26] <adrianba> ack MikeSmith
  271. # [17:26] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to talk
  272. # [17:26] * Zakim sees adrianba on the speaker queue
  273. # [17:27] <adrianba> ... i think dialog is a HTML.next feature
  274. # [17:27] <mjs> q+
  275. # [17:27] * Zakim sees adrianba, mjs on the speaker queue
  276. # [17:27] <adrianba> ... i don't think anyone is demanding that we implement dialog for HTML5
  277. # [17:27] <adrianba> ... do we need it for stable HTML5?
  278. # [17:27] <paulc> q+
  279. # [17:27] * Zakim sees adrianba, mjs, paulc on the speaker queue
  280. # [17:27] <adrianba> ... same thing could be said for allow-popups
  281. # [17:28] <adrianba> ... i don't think this needs to be done in the next 2 months - could be pushed off to the next version of HTML
  282. # [17:28] <adrianba> ... in the meantime we have w3c obligation to publish at regular intervals and we've neglected that for last 6 months or more
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  284. # [17:29] <adrianba> ... could still publish WD with lack of dialog and sandbox allow-popups noted as known issues
  285. # [17:29] <adrianba> ... i think holding up publication is a bad idea
  286. # [17:29] <MikeSmith> q?
  287. # [17:29] * Zakim sees adrianba, mjs, paulc on the speaker queue
  288. # [17:29] <adrianba> mjs: like other people to comment
  289. # [17:30] <adrianba> ... chairs need to decide if we publish today without these changes or wait
  290. # [17:30] <adrianba> ... would like to hear input
  291. # [17:30] <Stevef> q+
  292. # [17:30] * Zakim sees adrianba, mjs, paulc, Stevef on the speaker queue
  293. # [17:30] <mjs> ack adrianba
  294. # [17:30] * Zakim sees mjs, paulc, Stevef on the speaker queue
  295. # [17:31] <MikeSmith> q+ to respond to adrian
  296. # [17:31] * Zakim sees mjs, paulc, Stevef, MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  297. # [17:31] <mjs> ack mjs
  298. # [17:31] * Zakim sees paulc, Stevef, MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  299. # [17:31] <adrianba> adrianba: i don't recall seeing a request for more information about the allow-popup sandbox proposal
  300. # [17:31] <adrianba> mjs: i talked to edward about the dialog proposal and i believe he would prefer to see publication without that for the time being
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  302. # [17:32] <adrianba> edward: the details missing that prevent the editor completing it are waiting for info from the css wg - i think in the interest of getting heartbeat doc out i'm in favour of publishing
  303. # [17:32] <mjs> ack paulc
  304. # [17:32] * Zakim sees Stevef, MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  305. # [17:33] <MikeSmith> q+ to say that the current dialog from proposal from ted+hixie is not fully implementable as specified due to ambiguity in the CP
  306. # [17:33] * Zakim sees Stevef, MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  307. # [17:33] <adrianba> paulc: the chairs have a meeting scheduled after this call to discuss this matter
  308. # [17:33] <adrianba> ... none of the points that mike or ted raised are blocking
  309. # [17:33] <adrianba> ... to tell us after this time that there is a need for more information is a problem
  310. # [17:34] <adrianba> ... suggest we move off this topic and move on
  311. # [17:34] <mjs> ack Stevef
  312. # [17:34] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  313. # [17:34] <adrianba> SteveF: i can't speak to the popup stuff
  314. # [17:35] <adrianba> ... i think we should publish the heartbeat but i disagree that this should be pushed off with no timeframe to html.next - would like to see in html5
  315. # [17:35] <wcarr> q+
  316. # [17:35] * Zakim sees MikeSmith, wcarr on the speaker queue
  317. # [17:35] <mjs> ack MikeSmith
  318. # [17:35] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to respond to adrian and to say that the current dialog from proposal from ted+hixie is not fully implementable as specified due to ambiguity in the CP
  319. # [17:35] * Zakim sees wcarr on the speaker queue
  320. # [17:35] <adrianba> s/this should/dialog should/
  321. # [17:36] <adrianba> MikeSmith: the current proposal from ted which was put forward in good faith ironically is not sufficient for dialog
  322. # [17:36] <adrianba> ... there are issues around how do we make this work with full screen for example
  323. # [17:36] <paulc> q+
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  325. # [17:36] <mjs> q+
  326. # [17:36] * Zakim sees wcarr, paulc, mjs on the speaker queue
  327. # [17:36] <adrianba> ... this is a proposed feature in the platform and we need to make it work with dialog
  328. # [17:36] <adrianba> ... and a number of other features
  329. # [17:37] <adrianba> ... that is blocking for dialog
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  331. # [17:37] <adrianba> ... that's a considerable amount of work
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  333. # [17:39] <paulc> I disagree with Mike's assertion that we cannot implement <dialog> due to the need to integrate with another feature. We should implement and then file bugs to gain that alignment.
  334. # [17:39] <mjs> ack
  335. # [17:39] <mjs> ack wcarr
  336. # [17:39] * Zakim sees paulc, mjs on the speaker queue
  337. # [17:39] <adrianba> wcarr: i hope we publish heartbeats as soon as possible and more quickly so they're not behind the ED
  338. # [17:40] <mjs> ack paulc
  339. # [17:40] * Zakim sees mjs on the speaker queue
  340. # [17:40] <adrianba> ... if we did it more quickly issues like this wouldn't be so important because another would be along within 6 weeks or so
  341. # [17:40] <adrianba> paulc: i disagree strongly with Mike that we can't implement a WG decision because some people think we need to decide how to solve the problem with another immature spec
  342. # [17:41] <adrianba> ... if people think there's a problem becuase it isn't aligned with another feature then they should file bugs
  343. # [17:41] <mjs> ack mjs
  344. # [17:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  345. # [17:41] <adrianba> ... but to say we shouldn't move forward is inappropriate
  346. # [17:41] <MikeSmith> q+ to say that many WG decisions are not implentable
  347. # [17:41] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  348. # [17:41] <adrianba> mjs: Mike and Ted , you mentioned some issues and Mike you've probably had conversations with Ian about clarifications
  349. # [17:42] <adrianba> ... if you think there are things needing clarification please get it onto the mailing list because people may be able to provide information
  350. # [17:42] <MikeSmith> q?
  351. # [17:42] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  352. # [17:42] <adrianba> ... i encourage you to communicate those to the group as a whole
  353. # [17:42] <Stevef> q+
  354. # [17:42] * Zakim sees MikeSmith, Stevef on the speaker queue
  355. # [17:42] <mjs> ack MikeSmith
  356. # [17:42] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say that many WG decisions are not implentable
  357. # [17:42] * Zakim sees Stevef on the speaker queue
  358. # [17:43] <adrianba> MikeSmith: as far as WG decisions being implementable i can say as someone who has made a good faith attempt to implement a decision that the CP often do not contain sufficient detail in order to implement anything unambiguously
  359. # [17:44] <adrianba> ... for example, Julian said he intended his proposal to be open-ended about how to make the spec better
  360. # [17:44] <adrianba> ... the CP does not unambigiously document what should be changed
  361. # [17:44] <adrianba> ... chairs agreed that they'll accept the CP because no one objected
  362. # [17:44] <adrianba> ... but it was never implementable
  363. # [17:45] <adrianba> mjs: this should be something to put in the mailing list
  364. # [17:45] <adrianba> MikeSmith: please do not put the responsibility on me for this
  365. # [17:46] <adrianba> mjs: i'm asking for examples on the list and if there are process changes you think would improve things please suggest that
  366. # [17:46] <adrianba> ... please get this in the mailing list
  367. # [17:46] <mjs> ack Stevef
  368. # [17:46] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  369. # [17:46] <adrianba> MikeSmith: thanks, i will do that
  370. # [17:46] <adrianba> SteveF: Hixie adds stuff to the spec all the time that is half formed or does not have agreement or consensus
  371. # [17:47] <adrianba> ... we have dialog that has some consensus so i don't see why it can't be added and then the details worked out
  372. # [17:47] <adrianba> ... chairs and the WG needs to work this out
  373. # [17:47] <adrianba> ... think the argument is spurious that it can't be added because it's not complete
  374. # [17:47] <paulc> +1 to SteveF points
  375. # [17:47] <adrianba> ... menu item for example is in there but hasn't been implemented (except context menu not according to spec)
  376. # [17:47] <adrianba> ... doesn't need to be fully formed to be in the spec
  377. # [17:48] <adrianba> ... not the way Hixie works, why should CPs have to be up to that standard
  378. # [17:48] <adrianba> mjs: thanks for the input on this topic
  379. # [17:48] <adrianba> ... moving on in the interests of time
  380. # [17:49] <adrianba> mjs: CfC on the F2F meeting - no objections on coordinated meeting with HTML and WebApps WG in May in Silicon Valley
  381. # [17:49] <adrianba> ... do intend to have interim meeting there
  382. # [17:49] <adrianba> ... any comments?
  383. # [17:49] <adrianba> paulc: registration page will be available soon
  384. # [17:49] <adrianba> ... possibly today or tomorrow
  385. # [17:49] <adrianba> ISSUE-183?
  386. # [17:49] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  387. # [17:49] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
  388. # [17:49] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  389. # [17:50] <adrianba> mjs: chairs noted 2 proposals agreed on one aspect, something already in the spec
  390. # [17:50] <adrianba> ... CfC to take that off the table so time wouldn't be spent on something everyone agrees on
  391. # [17:50] <adrianba> ... sent feedback on proposals asking to remove those points and justify everything else
  392. # [17:50] <adrianba> ... change was about time syntax
  393. # [17:51] <adrianba> mjs: Revert request for http+aes scheme was received
  394. # [17:51] <adrianba> ... several messages of agreement including original proposer - revert completed
  395. # [17:52] <adrianba> mjs: DST changes - links to email about DST changes
  396. # [17:52] <adrianba> ... W3C telcons are on north american time (US Eastern)
  397. # [17:52] <adrianba> ... your time may change
  398. # [17:52] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Mar/0081.html
  399. # [17:52] <adrianba> mjs: there is a new weekly summary
  400. # [17:52] <adrianba> http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/03/openweb-weekly-28.html
  401. # [17:53] <adrianba> mjs: decisions pending heartbeat drafts - lots of recently closed items that were CfC at various times that chairs haven't published yet
  402. # [17:53] <adrianba> ... may have to reassess that knowing that 2 decisions are not applied yet
  403. # [17:53] <adrianba> ... we have not overlooked them
  404. # [17:54] <adrianba> ISSUE-164?
  405. # [17:54] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-164
  406. # [17:54] <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
  407. # [17:54] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
  408. # [17:54] <adrianba> SteveF: what is the status here?
  409. # [17:54] <mjs> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-164
  410. # [17:55] <adrianba> paulc: this is in my queue to evaluate - there are 5 change proposals
  411. # [17:55] <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-164
  412. # [17:55] <adrianba> ... haven't got to it yet
  413. # [17:55] <adrianba> ... this work is in the chairs input queue to evaluate CPs and it is a work in progress
  414. # [17:56] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  415. # [17:56] <adrianba> mjs: volunteers?
  416. # [17:56] <glenn> i can scribe
  417. # [17:56] <adrianba> ... Sam will chair that meeting
  418. # [17:56] <adrianba> ... thanks glenn
  419. # [17:56] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  420. # [17:56] <adrianba> mjs: thanks for calling in - see you next week
  421. # [17:56] <Zakim> -Clarke
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  423. # [17:57] <Zakim> -Joe_Steele
  424. # [17:57] <Zakim> -Sam
  425. # [17:57] <Zakim> -Janina
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  431. # [17:57] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  432. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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  437. # [17:57] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  438. # [17:57] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  439. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
  440. # [17:57] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  441. # [17:57] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  443. # [17:57] <Zakim> -??P8
  444. # [17:57] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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  446. # [17:57] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  447. # [17:57] <Zakim> Attendees were glenn, eliot, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], adrianba, Joe_Steele, Clarke, Sam, +1.415.595.aaaa, Wayne_Carr, hober, Mike, Plh, Janina
  448. # [17:57] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  449. # [17:57] <adrianba> Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
  450. # [17:58] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0024.html
  451. # [17:58] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  452. # [17:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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