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  77. # [17:43] <tantek_> good morning
  78. # [17:51] <MikeSmith> tantek_: hey
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  84. # [18:07] <hober> Zakim, this will be html
  85. # [18:08] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0031.html
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  87. # [18:08] <paulc> I don't think Zakim is responding.
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  90. # [18:08] <hober> Zakim, this will be html
  91. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, hober, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  92. # [18:08] <glenn> zakim, who's here?
  93. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], [Microsoft], ??P0
  94. # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see joesteele, MFoladare, paulc, adrianba, hober, tantek_, dveditz, anne, myakura, miketaylr, plh, karl, ed, drublic, ArtB, glenn, icaaq, gsnedders, logbot, danielfilho,
  95. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... webben, hiro, heycam|away, krijnhuman, hober2, Dashiva, vimeo_joe, arronei, rektide, Hixie, kennyluck, MikeSmith, shepazu, Philip, hsivonen, lgombos, pingo, trackbot, inimino,
  96. # [18:08] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  97. # [18:09] <glenn> zakim, ??p0 is glenn
  98. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... [tm], jmb, CIA-1, paul___irish, johndrinkwater, jgraham, gavin
  99. # [18:09] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  100. # [18:09] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  101. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  102. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  103. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Mike
  104. # [18:09] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  105. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  106. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
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  108. # [18:10] <cyns> zakim, microsoft has me
  109. # [18:10] <Zakim> +cyns; got it
  110. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Kevin
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  112. # [18:11] <paulc> zadkim, who is on the phone?
  113. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  114. # [18:11] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  115. # [18:11] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], [Microsoft], glenn (muted), Mike, [Microsoft.a], Radhika_Roy, Kevin, [Microsoft.aa]
  116. # [18:11] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  117. # [18:11] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has cyns
  118. # [18:11] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
  119. # [18:11] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  120. # [18:11] <hober> Topic: action items due by Thursday, March 29
  121. # [18:11] <hober> paulc: there are none
  122. # [18:11] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week:
  123. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: there are none
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  125. # [18:12] <hober> ... one new tracker request
  126. # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P9
  127. # [18:12] <hober> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  128. # [18:12] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  129. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-193?
  130. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-193
  131. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open
  132. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
  133. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  134. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-194?
  135. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  136. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  137. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  138. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  139. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-195?
  140. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-195
  141. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- open
  142. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
  143. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  144. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-196?
  145. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-196
  146. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling behaviour -- open
  147. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196
  148. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  149. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-197?
  150. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-197
  151. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- open
  152. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197
  153. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  154. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-199?
  155. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-199
  156. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
  157. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
  158. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  159. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-201?
  160. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  161. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  162. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  163. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 21
  164. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-190?
  165. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  166. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
  167. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  168. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: Call for Consensus closed Mar 23
  169. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: severl 3/21 items were dealt with last week
  170. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  171. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-80?
  172. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  173. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open
  174. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  175. # [18:14] <hober> paulc: Call for Consensus closed Mar 28
  176. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-134?
  177. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
  178. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open
  179. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
  180. # [18:14] <hober> paulc: Revise Change Proposals closed Mar 28
  181. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-191?
  182. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-191
  183. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
  184. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
  185. # [18:14] <hober> paulc: Revise Change Proposals closed Mar 28
  186. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-200?
  187. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-200
  188. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
  189. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
  190. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closed Mar 28
  191. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-193?
  192. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-193
  193. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open
  194. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
  195. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-196?
  196. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-196
  197. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling behaviour -- open
  198. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196
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  200. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-197?
  201. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-197
  202. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- open
  203. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197
  204. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: those three issues have a Call for Consensus which closes Mar 29 (today)
  205. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Sam
  206. # [18:16] <hober> ... chairs are meeting after this call today, we will try to move issues along
  207. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  208. # [18:16] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  209. # [18:16] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  210. # [18:16] <hober> ISSUE-203?
  211. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  212. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
  213. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  214. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Plh
  215. # [18:16] <hober> paulc: Revise Change Proposals closes Apr 2
  216. # [18:16] <hober> ISSUE-198?
  217. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-198
  218. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy -- open
  219. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198
  220. # [18:16] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals closes Apr 3
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  222. # [18:16] <hober> ISSUE-194?
  223. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  224. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  225. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  226. # [18:16] <hober> paulc: Call for Counter Proposals extension closes Apr 5
  227. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
  228. # [18:17] <hober> paulc: there are none
  229. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
  230. # [18:17] <hober> paulc: there are none
  231. # [18:17] <Zakim> +??P14
  232. # [18:17] <hober> ... chairs expect to issue a straw poll on ISSUE-158
  233. # [18:17] <Clarke> zakim, ??P14 is Clarke
  234. # [18:17] <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
  235. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
  236. # [18:17] <hober> ISSUE-190?
  237. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  238. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
  239. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  240. # [18:17] <hober> paulc: Closed by Amicable Consensus
  241. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  242. # [18:18] <hober> paulc: CfC to publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs
  243. # [18:18] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html
  244. # [18:18] <hober> Scheduled to be published today
  245. # [18:18] <hober> MikeSmith: working on getting everything published
  246. # [18:18] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  247. # [18:18] <hober> MikeSmith: about half of the documents are staged, working on the other half
  248. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Zakim: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html5-20120329/
  249. # [18:18] <tantek_> Zakim, IPcaller is me
  250. # [18:18] <Zakim> +tantek_; got it
  251. # [18:18] <tantek_> Zakim, tantek is me
  252. # [18:18] <Zakim> +tantek_; got it
  253. # [18:19] <tantek_> Zakim, I am tantek
  254. # [18:19] <Zakim> ok, tantek_, I now associate you with tantek_.a
  255. # [18:19] <hober> MikeSmith: waiting on the webmaster to create symlinks after checking for broken links etc.
  256. # [18:19] <hober> MikeSmith: we plan to have them all done by EOD (Eastern Time)
  257. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: your efforts are well appreciated
  258. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: we'll point the wg to the news item on the w3c home page when publication happens
  259. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: Revert request r7023
  260. # [18:20] <hober> ... that was done
  261. # [18:20] <hober> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/2dcontext/Overview.html?rev=1.133;content-type=text%2Fhtml
  262. # [18:21] <hober> paulc: this was blocking publication
  263. # [18:21] <Zakim> -tantek_.a
  264. # [18:21] <hober> paulc: Extension request for issue 200 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0641.html
  265. # [18:22] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  266. # [18:22] <hober> ... extension request granted
  267. # [18:22] <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  268. # [18:22] <tantek_> Zakim, IPcaller is tantek
  269. # [18:22] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  270. # [18:22] <hober> paulc: two extension requests for issue 194
  271. # [18:22] <hober> one: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0633.html
  272. # [18:22] <hober> two: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0653.html
  273. # [18:22] <hober> paulc: in some cases people are writing multiple CPs and we should give them time away from their day jobs to do so
  274. # [18:22] <hober> paulc: Review of issue change proposals
  275. # [18:23] <hober> ISSUE-184?
  276. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  277. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
  278. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
  279. # [18:23] <hober> chair feedback: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0737.html
  280. # [18:23] <hober> ISSUE-185?
  281. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-185
  282. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
  283. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
  284. # [18:23] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0738.html
  285. # [18:23] <hober> ISSUE-189?
  286. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  287. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
  288. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  289. # [18:23] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0739.html
  290. # [18:23] <hober> ISSUE-204?
  291. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  292. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  293. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  294. # [18:23] <hober> early chair feedback on 204: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0766.html
  295. # [18:24] <hober> paulc: since we already had 2 CPs, we provided early feedback
  296. # [18:24] <hober> ... feedback was taken up by the a11y TF on their call today
  297. # [18:24] <hober> ... reqested revisions to the counter proposal
  298. # [18:24] <hober> paulc: Upcoming straw poll for objections for ISSUE-158
  299. # [18:24] <hober> ISSUE-158?
  300. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  301. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- open
  302. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  303. # [18:25] <hober> paulc: chairs sent out notification to CP authors
  304. # [18:25] <hober> ... minor changes made to one of the CPs
  305. # [18:25] <hober> ... we'll be issuing a straw poll next week
  306. # [18:25] <glenn> q+ re: encrypted media tf
  307. # [18:25] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  308. # [18:25] <hober> ... should go out on monday
  309. # [18:25] <hober> ... polls last for one week
  310. # [18:26] <hober> ... chairs are not counting votes; looking for arguments against the positions taken
  311. # [18:26] <hober> ... no need to +1 after an argument has been put forward
  312. # [18:26] <hober> paulc: any other business?
  313. # [18:26] <hober> tantek_: question about CP iteration process
  314. # [18:27] <hober> tantek_: CP authors are given a chance to iterate based on chair feedback
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  316. # [18:27] <hober> tantek_: are there any deadlines or is it based on when the chairs decide to go to a poll?
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  318. # [18:27] <hober> paulc: there isn't a fixed set of rules; chairs are flexible
  319. # [18:27] <paulc> ISSUE-204 CP review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0766.html
  320. # [18:27] <hober> paulc: our feedback here was fairly strong
  321. # [18:28] <paulc> "Unless this flaw is corrected by April 18th, the chairs will not accept the ARIA_CORTHCWSR proposal, and will instead proceed to a call for consensus on the AllowAriaReferHidden proposal."
  322. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> q?
  323. # [18:28] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  324. # [18:28] <hober> paulc: gave fixed date for a change which would cause us to accept the CP
  325. # [18:28] <hober> paulc: in some cases we provide editorial feedback, or make suggestions to strengthen the case made
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  327. # [18:28] <hober> ... in other cases we're giving dates for going to survey
  328. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: we're trying to be as explicit as possible
  329. # [18:29] <rubys> We gave dates for ISSUE-134, ISSUE-191, and ISSUE-203. We have yet to give dates on ISSUE-183, ISSUE-184, ISSUE-185, ISSUE-189.
  330. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: if we give a deadline and it's unreasonable due to your other work or other relevant factors, you should respond right away
  331. # [18:29] <hober> tantek_: followup question
  332. # [18:30] <hober> tantek_: chairs said (204 feedback) "this statement must be backed up with evidence"
  333. # [18:30] <hober> tantek_: my cp for drop-pubdate asserts that there is sufficient hatom adoption
  334. # [18:31] <hober> tantek_: would referring to, say, default wordpress templates, wordpress.com, be sufficient?
  335. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: that's exactly the kind of evidence we're looking for
  336. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: if someone says "this feature isn't implemented in any browsers" and someone else says "this is implemented in two browsers", need evidence to back up claims
  337. # [18:32] <hober> ... if the counter proposal provides contrary evidence, you may want to raise the bar of your own data
  338. # [18:32] <hober> tantek_: i'm still trying to acheive wider consensus, it's not clear if i'll be able to acheive this
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  340. # [18:33] <hober> paulc: the fewer things we need to take to straw polls, the better
  341. # [18:33] <hober> q?
  342. # [18:33] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  343. # [18:33] <glenn> zakim, unmute me
  344. # [18:33] <Zakim> glenn should no longer be muted
  345. # [18:34] <hober> glenn: what is the status on the content encryption task force?
  346. # [18:34] <hober> paulc: it's in my work queue
  347. # [18:34] <hober> paulc: proposed plan to my co-chairs and wg
  348. # [18:34] <hober> paulc: now that the heartbeat drafts are being published, this is back at the top of my queue
  349. # [18:34] <hober> ... you'll probably see an announcement next week
  350. # [18:35] <hober> Topic: chair and scribe for next week
  351. # [18:35] <glenn> ack glenn
  352. # [18:35] <Zakim> glenn, you wanted to discuss encrypted media tf
  353. # [18:35] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  354. # [18:35] <hober> paulc: rubys will chair next week
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  356. # [18:35] <hober> ... no volunteers to scribe
  357. # [18:35] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
  358. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  359. # [18:36] <Zakim> -glenn
  360. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  361. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Mike
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  363. # [18:36] <Zakim> -??P9
  364. # [18:36] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  365. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Clarke
  366. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Kevin
  367. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Sam
  368. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Plh
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  370. # [18:36] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  372. # [18:36] <Zakim> -tantek
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  376. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  377. # [18:47] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  378. # [18:47] <Zakim> Attendees were hober, glenn, Mike, Radhika_Roy, cyns, Kevin, [Microsoft], adrianba, Sam, Plh, Clarke, tantek_, tantek
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