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  4. # [00:09] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 2 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/60b14ce46867...89cddc0a8b8e
  5. # [00:09] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 2585695 ianh: [t] (2) Clarify hgroup's definition...
  6. # [00:09] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 89cddc0 ianh: [giow] (3) Match reality....
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  15. # [01:08] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 2 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/89cddc0a8b8e...54a6e319a810
  16. # [01:08] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg ccdc55f ianh: [giow] (3) Revert part of r5545 because bz changed his mind and this matches reality better. :-)...
  17. # [01:08] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 54a6e31 ianh: [e] (0) Be more explicit about what this means....
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  33. # [04:33] <MikeSmith> hober: dunno
  34. # [04:33] <MikeSmith> I guess probably not
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  63. # [10:06] <gitbot> [html-tools] none pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html-tools/compare/cf8795adde05...a47b0af385db
  64. # [10:06] <gitbot> html-tools/master c128e78 Robin Berjon: revert debugging code
  65. # [10:06] <gitbot> html-tools/master b87a420 Edward O'Connor: Add some srcset post-processing gobbledygook.
  66. # [10:06] <gitbot> html-tools/master a47b0af Edward O'Connor: Move more srcset='' content around in publish.py.
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  68. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> hober: ↑
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  70. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> working now
  71. # [10:14] * darobin_ wonders why his commit shows up in that log
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  73. # [10:15] <MikeSmith> darobin: that was just the result of me pushing the "Test hook" button
  74. # [10:16] <darobin> oh noes you pushed WHAT button??!!!??
  75. # [10:17] <MikeSmith> the "We are the world" button
  76. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> the "Turn your capital into a sea of fire" button
  77. # [10:19] <darobin> you have good buttons
  78. # [10:41] <Stevef> darobin: morning
  79. # [10:42] <Stevef> darobin: how do i get with the program editing wise?
  80. # [10:44] <Stevef> darobin: is there some flag we can set on edits to the spec that indicates a commit it should not be overwritten when silvia cherry picks?
  81. # [10:45] <darobin> Stevef: morning dear editor!
  82. # [10:45] <Stevef> :-)
  83. # [10:45] <darobin> I don't think there's a flag you can use for that, but you can coordinate with Silvia
  84. # [10:45] <Stevef> been busy already claiming bugs...
  85. # [10:46] <darobin> yeah I saw that!
  86. # [10:46] <Stevef> OK
  87. # [10:46] <Stevef> whats the deal with getting write access to w3c/html?
  88. # [10:47] <darobin> Stevef: I've just added you to team HTML WG on GitHub
  89. # [10:47] <darobin> you may now go forth and break everything
  90. # [10:47] <Stevef> darobin: cheers, do i pull a local copy or do I fork?
  91. # [10:47] <darobin> just clone your local copy
  92. # [10:48] <darobin> just be aware that you really can break stuff now :)
  93. # [10:48] <Stevef> darobin: i will try not to, and mike has been helping me to work out how to fix conflicts etc, so is starting to make a little sense
  94. # [10:48] <Stevef> yes will be cautious
  95. # [10:50] <darobin> don't be too scared though: you can usually break everything locally and then clone a clean copy
  96. # [10:51] <darobin> it's mostly when pushing that things can go wrong, e.g. if you rewrite history then push
  97. # [10:51] <darobin> note that you'll probably want the html-tools repo as well
  98. # [10:51] <darobin> so you can build stuff
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  100. # [11:04] <Stevef> OK thanks!
  101. # [11:06] <Stevef> darobin: i have a few current pull requests OK to accept those myself? and whats the process for changes do they require a bug?
  102. # [11:11] <Stevef> darobin: current requests are result of discussion on HTML list
  103. # [11:15] <darobin> if a result of discussions, then just do them
  104. # [11:15] <darobin> we don't have a strong process, but it's good to have some form of paper trail
  105. # [11:16] <darobin> so you can e.g. include a pointer to the mailing list discussion in your commit message if there happens to be no bug
  106. # [11:16] <Stevef> OK thanks!
  107. # [11:16] <Stevef> yeah agree about paper trail happy to follow
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  110. # [11:41] <gitbot> [validator] none pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/validator/validator/compare/b99ef0086bb9...933f5960be3e
  111. # [11:41] <gitbot> validator/master 7a295f8 Michael[tm] Smith: Remove MathML2 files now that we use MathMl3.
  112. # [11:41] <gitbot> validator/master 189761b Michael[tm] Smith: Update presets to say "MathML 3.0".
  113. # [11:41] <gitbot> validator/master 933f596 Michael[tm] Smith: Missed null check in input-attrs elaboratin code.
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  127. # [13:05] <Stevef> darobin: when you have some time would like a little help with accepting pull requests
  128. # [13:08] <Stevef> darobin: the pull request has lots of commits from my side https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/10 , but only want to use 1 https://github.com/stevefaulkner/html/commit/9ba534a3ab26814553f8694aa23f636003ca0abb
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  130. # [13:27] <Stevef> stommepoes: hi!
  131. # [13:29] <stommepoes> hi... for the lawlz tried the irc address in Opera and this... thing... opened. Not sure how it works
  132. # [13:29] <stommepoes> So sitting at work with very strange windows all over
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  134. # [13:30] <Stevef> think opera has built in irc client
  135. # [13:31] <stommepoes> must have; normally I'd use Xchat
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  164. # [17:57] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  165. # [17:57] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  169. # [17:57] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  170. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  172. # [17:57] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  173. # [17:57] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  174. # [17:57] <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
  175. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  176. # [17:57] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  177. # [17:57] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  178. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  179. # [17:58] <Zakim> +Sam
  180. # [17:58] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  181. # [17:58] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  182. # [17:58] * hober runs off to get a coffee between calls
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  184. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  185. # [17:59] <krisk> * krisk dialing in...
  186. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  187. # [17:59] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  188. # [17:59] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  189. # [17:59] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  190. # [17:59] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  191. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Plh
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  194. # [18:00] <Zakim> +ddorwin
  195. # [18:00] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  196. # [18:00] <rubys> not clear to me who (if anybody) volunteered last time to scribe
  197. # [18:01] <rubys> the scribe for last meeting recorded "krisk: I can help" (krisk was the scribe)
  198. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  199. # [18:01] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
  200. # [18:01] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  201. # [18:01] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa is me
  202. # [18:01] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  203. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  204. # [18:01] <krisk> Yes I can scribe if need be
  205. # [18:01] <Eliot> Zakim, microsoft.a is me
  206. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  207. # [18:01] <adrianba> i don't mind scribing
  208. # [18:01] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  209. # [18:02] <adrianba> Chair: Sam Ruby
  210. # [18:02] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, February 7
  211. # [18:02] <adrianba> rubys: none
  212. # [18:02] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  213. # [18:02] <adrianba> rubys: none
  214. # [18:02] <adrianba> ... 3 tracker requests down from 5 last week
  215. # [18:02] <adrianba> ... still hoping to reduce that number
  216. # [18:03] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  217. # [18:03] <adrianba> rubys: CfC for the EME spec
  218. # [18:03] <adrianba> ... certainly got lots of feedback on that
  219. # [18:03] <adrianba> ... chairs working with W3C Management on that
  220. # [18:03] <adrianba> plh: yes, we're working on that - weather in Boston might cause a delay
  221. # [18:04] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  222. # [18:04] <adrianba> rubys: the new calls this week close - get to that later
  223. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.626.379.aaaa
  224. # [18:04] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  225. # [18:04] <adrianba> rubys: none
  226. # [18:04] <hober> Zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Austin
  227. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin; got it
  228. # [18:04] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  229. # [18:05] <adrianba> rubys: there are four
  230. # [18:05] <adrianba> rubys: CfC on Entity Resolution - close yesterday - yet to post conclusion on that
  231. # [18:06] <adrianba> ... CfC on picture element and on srcset attribute - two separate calls - both close tomorrow
  232. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  233. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  234. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Mike
  235. # [18:06] <adrianba> hober: the one objection that was raised was withdrawn
  236. # [18:06] <adrianba> rubys: for srcset
  237. # [18:06] <adrianba> hober: yes
  238. # [18:07] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Feb/0106.html
  239. # [18:07] <adrianba> rubys: CfC for Use Cases for standardizing responsive images closes Feb 11
  240. # [18:07] <adrianba> rubys: CfC for minimum period of microdata passed
  241. # [18:07] <adrianba> paulc: [clarifies this is for minimum period - to publish was more than 10 days ago]
  242. # [18:07] <adrianba> rubys: any other questions or comments?
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  244. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: New surveys this week
  245. # [18:08] <adrianba> rubys: none
  246. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  247. # [18:08] <adrianba> rubys: the microdata minimum CR period was such a decision
  248. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  249. # [18:08] <adrianba> rubys: April F2F
  250. # [18:09] <adrianba> ??: i'm organising this - lots of groups meeting
  251. # [18:09] <adrianba> ... WebCrypto, WebAppSec, etc
  252. # [18:09] <hober> s/??/Daniel_Austin/
  253. # [18:09] <adrianba> ... a number of groups clustered around the HTML-WG meeting
  254. # [18:09] <plh> q+
  255. # [18:09] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  256. # [18:09] <adrianba> ... wondering about how much overlap there will be amongst attendees
  257. # [18:10] <rubys> ack plh
  258. # [18:10] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  259. # [18:10] <adrianba> plh: i don't think there is a lot with WebCrypto and WebAppSec with HTML
  260. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... WebApps WG will meet for 1.5 days because they realised they would lose people on Friday afternoon
  261. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... and 1.5 days would be enough
  262. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... chairs of WebApps will send their own email
  263. # [18:11] <adrianba> Daniel_Austin: wanted to mention HTML5 performance activities
  264. # [18:12] <adrianba> plh: not sure if this is the right forum
  265. # [18:12] <adrianba> ... if people are interested in what we should do to improve performance they should talk to me
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  267. # [18:12] <adrianba> Daniel_Austin: will there be test suites for perf? will this group need to do that?
  268. # [18:13] * ArtB notes to PLH: fyi, here is WebApps' announcement re April f2f meeting
  269. # [18:13] <adrianba> plh: the task force is just to look at options for what we might do - the TF will not solve the problem
  270. # [18:13] * ArtB … http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JanMar/0316.html
  271. # [18:13] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda has a spot for "Potential Topics"
  272. # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: Wiki page for F2F has a spot for topics
  273. # [18:13] <adrianba> ... good place if people are interested
  274. # [18:14] <adrianba> rubys: CfC for FPWD of HTML Templates
  275. # [18:14] <adrianba> ... this is in the WebApps WG - bringing it to this groups attention since it is a HTML Extension spec
  276. # [18:14] <adrianba> ... if you want to participate it is over in WebApps
  277. # [18:14] <adrianba> rubys: Inviting your review of IndieUI events
  278. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: WAI-ARIA in HTML ready for publication
  279. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: anybody who is interested can comment - no requirement to do so
  280. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: Steve Faulkner has been appointed as an editor
  281. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... welcome
  282. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: the Open Web Platform Summary has started up again
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  284. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/02/openweb-weekly-01.html
  285. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: any other business?
  286. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... news on longdesc?
  287. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: the minutes of last week's meeting suggested we would expect a WG CfC
  288. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... been delayed by one week
  289. # [18:17] <adrianba> rubys: anything else?
  290. # [18:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  291. # [18:17] <adrianba> rubys: any volunteers?
  292. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... mjs will probably chair
  293. # [18:18] <paulc> Strong possibility for regrets next week from Paul (on vacation)
  294. # [18:18] <adrianba> rubys: none heard
  295. # [18:18] <Zakim> -hober
  296. # [18:18] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  297. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
  298. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Plh
  299. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Mike
  300. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Sam
  301. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  302. # [18:18] <Zakim> -krisk
  303. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Eliot
  304. # [18:18] <Zakim> -ddorwin
  305. # [18:18] <adrianba> rubys: adjourned
  306. # [18:18] <Zakim> -jaymunro
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  310. # [18:18] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  311. # [18:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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  314. # [18:18] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  315. # [18:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
  316. # [18:19] <Zakim> -adrianba
  317. # [18:19] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0011.html
  318. # [18:19] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  319. # [18:19] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  320. # [18:20] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Radhika_Roy, Sam, hober, [Microsoft], adrianba, Plh, ddorwin, krisk, jaymunro, Eliot, +1.626.379.aaaa, Daniel_Austin, Mike
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  322. # [18:20] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  323. # [18:20] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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  357. # [21:06] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 7c4aeeb ianh: [giow] (3) Better match reality, however weird it is....
  358. # [21:06] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 4c33512 ianh: [e] (0) Cleanup...
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  388. # [23:51] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/892d445ed9e219832104657495ecf7c72947ed59
  389. # [23:51] <gitbot> html/master 892d445 stevefaulkner: Update boilerplate/header-w3c-html-core...
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  393. # [23:51] <gitbot> html/master d7e9251 stevefaulkner: Update boilerplate/header-w3c-html-core...
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