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  17. # [01:12] <monteslu> I've been out of the consulting business for a long time. 100 bucks an hour for a tiny web project (2-3 hours) is on a day off is reasonable right?
  18. # [01:13] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/cd40.png
  19. # [01:13] <paul_irish> monteslu: yupppp
  20. # [01:14] <nimbupani> sylvain never reply me
  21. # [01:14] <monteslu> cool. I didn't know what to say, but I had to throw out a number
  22. # [01:15] <monteslu> think I overshot. Oh well, might as well spend my day off playing with my kids
  23. # [01:16] <paul_irish> nimbupani: it might be time to recommend moving to a 32x32 favicon http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg491740(v=VS.85).aspx
  24. # [01:16] <paul_irish> maybe
  25. # [01:16] <paul_irish> monteslu: dude its definitely not worth a holiday day if they want lower than 100
  26. # [01:16] <paul_irish> so good choice.
  27. # [01:17] <monteslu> yeah, you're right
  28. # [01:19] <nimbupani> o neet paul_irish
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  31. # [01:29] <paulrouget> Did you guys see that: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/12/firefox4b8/
  32. # [01:29] <paulrouget> The demo is supposed to work with Chrome as well (there's a work around for the Audio API)
  33. # [01:35] <l4rk> paulrouget: yeah those demos are sick
  34. # [01:35] <tw2113> i was thoroughly impressed
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  36. # [01:43] <tw2113> :O
  37. # [01:44] <tw2113> single page band profile
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  46. # [02:01] <nimbupani> paul_irish: I am coming around to your view of adding min-height: 100% on html selector
  47. # [02:01] <nimbupani> mainly for gradients :/
  48. # [02:01] <paul_irish> ;)
  49. # [02:02] <paul_irish> min-height eh? better than height?
  50. # [02:02] <nimbupani> not height tho
  51. # [02:02] <paul_irish> xplain
  52. # [02:03] <nimbupani> hmm i think mainly to avoid double scrollbars
  53. # [02:03] <nimbupani> in case there is another 100% height inside
  54. # [02:03] <nimbupani> i will mock it up to test.
  55. # [02:03] <paul_irish> OK
  56. # [02:03] <tw2113> http://notalwaysright.com/in-need-of-a-better-outlook/9202
  57. # [02:03] <paul_irish> also i set it on body tag too
  58. # [02:04] <nimbupani> but thats not necessary!
  59. # [02:04] <nimbupani> what if people have padding: 3em 0; on body
  60. # [02:04] <nimbupani> and then this 100% comes in.
  61. # [02:04] <nimbupani> it will become mess
  62. # [02:04] <nimbupani> but will mock up
  63. # [02:05] <paul_irish> so you're saying always put background treatment on the html tag instead of body
  64. # [02:05] <paul_irish> use body for padding/margin
  65. # [02:05] <paul_irish> i can get behind that
  66. # [02:06] <nimbupani> yeah
  67. # [02:06] <nimbupani> especially gradients shit
  68. # [02:06] <tw2113> i wonder how backwards compatible that is
  69. # [02:06] <nimbupani> it works on every standards mode.
  70. # [02:07] <nimbupani> as far as I know.
  71. # [02:07] * tw2113 wants to make a single page WordPress theme for musicians
  72. # [02:08] <tw2113> gallery shortcode for pictures, widgets for audio/video stuff, comments area is hopefully obvious
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  76. # [02:11] <tw2113> it'd likely be much more usable than Myspace these days
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  87. # [03:08] <paul_irish> lea <3 http://leaverou.me/demos/css3-patterns.html
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  90. # [03:09] <aj00200> paul_irish: thats cool :)
  91. # [03:10] <paul_irish> fullpost http://leaverou.me/2010/12/checkered-stripes-other-background-patterns-with-css3-gradients/
  92. # [03:12] <nimbupani> ha funny this paul_irish http://fiddle.jshell.net/vmwJ2/16/show/preview/
  93. # [03:12] <nimbupani> why is min-height not applying on body :/
  94. # [03:12] <paul_irish> cuz html doesnt have 100%
  95. # [03:13] <nimbupani> but it has min-height!
  96. # [03:13] <nimbupani> should it not inherit from min-height rather than height!
  97. # [03:13] <paul_irish> o i c
  98. # [03:13] <nimbupani> i am sure this is somewhere in the spec :/
  99. # [03:14] <paul_irish> weird shit
  100. # [03:14] <paul_irish> it needs the hard height on html
  101. # [03:14] <nimbupani> yeahh
  102. # [03:15] <paul_irish> course i'm just testing in webkit
  103. # [03:15] <nimbupani> height is a % of corresponding dimension of containing block
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  106. # [03:26] <nimbupani> this is so circular!
  107. # [03:26] <nimbupani> "If it has block-level children, the height is the distance between the top border-edge of the topmost block-level child box that doesn't have margins collapsed through it and the bottom border-edge of the bottommost block-level child box that doesn't have margins collapsed through it. However, if the element has a nonzero top padding and/or top border, or is the root element, then the content starts at the top margin edge of the topmost
  108. # [03:28] <monteslu> clear as mud
  109. # [03:32] <nimbupani> ha so Opera does it as we intuit
  110. # [03:32] <nimbupani> but not webkit
  111. # [03:33] <nimbupani> nor firefox :/
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  115. # [03:37] <nimbupani> HA https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14762
  116. # [03:37] <nimbupani> blasted browsers
  117. # [03:49] <monteslu> I've found that when I want something to be 100% height is because I'm trying to do a layout that I want to stretch and have its internals scrollable
  118. # [03:49] <monteslu> the dojo layout stuff helps with that so long as the outer most container has a bottom of 0
  119. # [03:49] <monteslu> but this is only helpful when I have control of the full page
  120. # [03:50] <monteslu> with things like portals and portlets, I'm still stuck setting a fixed height
  121. # [03:51] <nimbupani> oh well same issue in Ffox too.
  122. # [03:51] <monteslu> I'm sure there are people much smarter than me that know why things are the way they are, but it still seems to me that if you can specifiy width=100%, you should be able to just do the same with height
  123. # [04:00] <l4rk> monteslu: surely you can with position fixed
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  125. # [04:09] <monteslu> l4rk, height = 100% with position fixed?
  126. # [04:10] <monteslu> doesn't seem like that would be useful in a fixed position
  127. # [04:10] <monteslu> but then again, I just barely got my stuff to work, so I could be wrong
  128. # [04:10] <aj00200> http://videos.mozilla.org/serv/mozhacks/flight-of-the-navigator/ <- you need to enable webgl in a Firefox4 beta to view it (I think the latest beta has it enabled by default)
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  130. # [04:13] <l4rk> monteslu: i guess you've never seen a page that does a dim overlay
  131. # [04:13] <domochan> I'm trying to put a link on top of a <video> on an ipad but the link doesn't work. I see other people with similar issues on google, but none with a solution. Any suggestions?
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  142. # [05:21] <monteslu> l4rk, a dim overlay? You mean like a modal dialog?
  143. # [05:21] <monteslu> yeah, I've seen that before
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  145. # [05:34] <l4rk> monteslu: yeah useful there :)
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  147. # [05:37] <monteslu> why wouldn't you just have a div with a higher z-index, postion absolute, and bottom:0 ?
  148. # [05:37] <l4rk> have you tried that?
  149. # [05:37] <l4rk> fixed position
  150. # [05:38] <l4rk> ing in ie 6 would be a lot easier if that worked
  151. # [05:38] <monteslu> not fixed, absolute
  152. # [05:38] <monteslu> top 0, bottom 0
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  154. # [05:39] <monteslu> seems ok in IE8, and FF and chrome
  155. # [05:39] <monteslu> I'm doing it here: http://azpdemo.appspot.com/whiteboard with my border layout
  156. # [05:40] <monteslu> works like a java swing border layout
  157. # [05:40] <l4rk> not loading for me
  158. # [05:40] <l4rk> lemme try chrome dev
  159. # [05:40] <l4rk> yeah works in chrome dev
  160. # [05:41] <monteslu> I'm testing in latest released chrome, IE8 and FF 3.6 on windows, and FF & chrome on linux
  161. # [05:41] <l4rk> yeah chromium 8 in linux had some issue
  162. # [05:41] <l4rk> i just brought up dev in linxu
  163. # [05:41] <monteslu> error with layout?
  164. # [05:41] <l4rk> page didn't even load
  165. # [05:41] <monteslu> weird
  166. # [05:41] <l4rk> yeah i dunno what to say about that
  167. # [05:42] <monteslu> I'm using 9.0.5997.something on linux
  168. # [05:42] <l4rk> 9.0.597.19 (0)
  169. # [05:42] <l4rk> was dev last i compiled
  170. # [05:42] <l4rk> i don't plan on compiling the dev source again for like another month
  171. # [05:43] <monteslu> yeah, that one is worknig for me
  172. # [05:43] <monteslu> I'm about ready to ditch IE support on this. The abstraction layer to render on VML is slowing things down
  173. # [05:44] <l4rk> raphael?
  174. # [05:44] <monteslu> dojox.gfx
  175. # [05:44] <monteslu> its great for vector stuff
  176. # [05:44] <monteslu> but a raster is fine for a whiteboard
  177. # [05:44] <l4rk> hmm good to know
  178. # [05:45] <l4rk> i can't use raphael anymore
  179. # [05:45] <l4rk> burnt me too many times
  180. # [05:45] <monteslu> dojox.gfx also has flash, silverlight and SVG rendering paths
  181. # [05:45] <l4rk> that is slick
  182. # [05:45] <monteslu> very, very cool stuff. Just not as fast as direct canvas for what I'm doing I think :)
  183. # [05:46] <monteslu> keeping the scenegraph in memory isn't necessary for this
  184. # [05:46] <l4rk> i can't imagine that abstraction layer slows down normal canvas
  185. # [05:46] <l4rk> if it is, something is wrong
  186. # [05:47] <monteslu> well, dojox.gfx treats each primitive as a seperate object and renders everthing when it needs to update
  187. # [05:47] <monteslu> does it very efffectiently, but not as efficiently as not creating the objects :)
  188. # [05:48] <l4rk> i dunno i use arrays of objects when i did my particle physics stuff and it seemed to work fine in my update loop
  189. # [05:48] <l4rk> and that with like 5k-8k objects
  190. # [05:48] <monteslu> so it's probably the best tool to use for interactive charts and things like that
  191. # [05:48] <monteslu> maybe the objects are smaller
  192. # [05:48] <l4rk> yeah def
  193. # [05:48] <l4rk> just two vectors on them
  194. # [05:48] <l4rk> 2d vectors*
  195. # [05:48] <monteslu> lots of stuff in a dojo.Shape
  196. # [05:48] <monteslu> dojox.gfx.Shape i mean
  197. # [05:49] <l4rk> hows dojo and mobile doing lately?
  198. # [05:49] <l4rk> i can't imagine it has issues with modern devices
  199. # [05:49] <monteslu> pretty good. I have a demo of 1.5 here: http://louspot.com/mbgg
  200. # [05:49] <monteslu> it's a mobile version of boardgamegeek.com
  201. # [05:50] <monteslu> not quite up to jqtouch, but I like dojo better than $
  202. # [05:50] <l4rk> yeah i'm working on a mobile app with a desktop counterpart atm and decided to go with a scaled site using media queries
  203. # [05:50] <l4rk> i'm very strong with jquery, but i've dabbled in dojo
  204. # [05:50] <l4rk> i was writing an article using the dojo django template implementation
  205. # [05:50] <l4rk> which is phenomenal
  206. # [05:51] <monteslu> dojo is great when you need to build something big and need consistency
  207. # [05:51] <monteslu> seems like jquery is cool when you just need to add some quick functionality to another app
  208. # [05:51] <l4rk> i guess i don't understand that when several huge sites use jquery
  209. # [05:51] <l4rk> and function just fine
  210. # [05:52] <monteslu> depends on what they use it for
  211. # [05:52] <monteslu> dojo is great as a cohesive set of form widgets with internationalization and accesiblity and stuff like that
  212. # [05:53] <monteslu> no knock on jquery
  213. # [05:53] <l4rk> jquery would probably say thats cool, but we have 500 plugins that do that
  214. # [05:53] <l4rk> the core code is solid in jquery and they don't deviate from that core competency
  215. # [05:53] <monteslu> agreed
  216. # [05:54] <l4rk> seems like everyone writes jquery plugins, dojo doesn't get much love on the interwebs
  217. # [05:54] <l4rk> wish it wasn't like that
  218. # [05:54] <l4rk> i feel any project i start that i want to get some attention, it needs to be jquery
  219. # [05:54] <monteslu> the barrier to entry is smaller because you dont look at it as a huge toolkit, its more of a pick and choose things you need
  220. # [05:55] <monteslu> double edged sword
  221. # [05:55] <tw2113> .g who's line is it anyway
  222. # [05:55] <tw2113> !g who's line is it anyway
  223. # [05:55] <tw2113> !help
  224. # [05:55] <tw2113> what's the freaking command !?!?! :)
  225. # [05:55] <l4rk> `help
  226. # [05:55] <l4rk> i dunno
  227. # [05:55] <tw2113> damn it, i'm going to have to access google through a browser now
  228. # [05:56] <l4rk> i feel like if i were to seriously start using dojo, i'd have to take a year off and just read into the internals of how it does certain things
  229. # [05:56] <tw2113> THE HORROR!
  230. # [05:56] <monteslu> hah
  231. # [05:56] <monteslu> its not that bad :)
  232. # [05:56] <l4rk> its just much bigger
  233. # [05:56] <monteslu> but it's pretty consistent
  234. # [05:57] <monteslu> once you get the modules, loader, and widget set figured out, the rest makes sense
  235. # [05:57] <l4rk> do you ever localize dojo to a smaller variable like $?
  236. # [05:58] <monteslu> I've seen people do that to make it act quite a bit like jquery
  237. # [05:58] <monteslu> but I think its' more like var $ = dojo.query
  238. # [05:58] <l4rk> well i don't want it to act like jquery, i just don't know if i'd like seeing dojo everywhere
  239. # [05:58] <monteslu> dojo is the global namespace but it does have some things not query related
  240. # [05:58] <l4rk> much like i don't really like seeing jQuery everywhere
  241. # [05:59] <l4rk> also the camel casing is killing me
  242. # [05:59] <l4rk> dojo.addOnLoad, dojo.load(function() { }) would have been too much!!!
  243. # [05:59] <monteslu> yeah, its just a global object so can rename it. But you still need to give the full namespace to the modules you're loading. Like you can have var d = dojo, but you'd still have do do something like d.require("dojo.myotherpackage");
  244. # [06:00] <monteslu> most of the camel case stuff is deprecated in favor of the jquery names like .ready
  245. # [06:00] <monteslu> so addOnLoad really just calls ready()
  246. # [06:00] <l4rk> oh beautiful
  247. # [06:00] <l4rk> wish the docs reflected that
  248. # [06:01] <monteslu> yeah, docs could use work still
  249. # [06:01] <monteslu> but getting better
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  295. # [09:21] <paul_irish> i finished the first go at mothereffinghsl
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  297. # [09:22] <paul_irish> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39519/hsla/index.html
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  328. # [12:18] <nunson> Hi there
  329. # [12:18] <nunson> Do WebSockets fall under html5 and friends?
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  335. # [12:29] <sean`> nunson, websockets are part of html5 apis
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  337. # [12:31] <nunson> Good
  338. # [12:32] <nunson> I have this problem with the PHPWebSocket client and server implementation. My client never seems to receive the first message sent by my server. (the onmessage event never fires)
  339. # [12:32] <nunson> Any subsequent messages are received just fine
  340. # [12:33] <nunson> Even if they're right after the first
  341. # [12:37] <nunson> The server says it's sent.
  342. # [12:37] <nunson> Has anyone got an idea where I could look to fix this?
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  405. # [19:01] <BrianBlakely> I just found out "background-clip: content-box;" was taken out of the CSS spec!
  406. # [19:01] <BrianBlakely> WTS!
  407. # [19:10] <Dorward> BrianBlakely: It's still there in the 8 day old editor's draft
  408. # [19:11] <BrianBlakely> :tilt's head: Oh, CSS3.info >.<
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  410. # [19:11] <BrianBlakely> tilts!
  411. # [19:11] <BrianBlakely> Well, thanks for correcting me Dorward
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  414. # [19:27] <BrianBlakely> I did notice that border-radius doesn't respect background-clip: content-box
  415. # [19:27] <BrianBlakely> Well, in Safari
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  417. # [19:27] <BrianBlakely> Let's check the other guys...
  418. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> Ah
  419. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> It's a Webkit problem
  420. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> Firefox is cruisin' along sweetly
  421. # [19:29] <BrianBlakely> I should file this bug… somewhere...
  422. # [19:35] <BrianBlakely> Ah, OK, this bug is 2 years old
  423. # [19:35] <BrianBlakely> And documented by the blog-o-sphere!
  424. # [19:35] <BrianBlakely> http://stefsullrewis.tumblr.com/post/1303111216/inner-border-content-or-padding-edge-quirk-in-webkit
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  428. # [19:44] <Pewpewarrows> anyone here have experience dogfooding their api?
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  435. # [19:53] <BrianBlakely> Does any browser use Webkit2 yet?
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  437. # [19:55] <BrianBlakely> I suppose not, since last anyone spoke of it was early April
  438. # [19:56] <BrianBlakely> I guess Safari 6 will have it, but unsure if Chrome will adopt, as the new engine essentially duplicates their own features
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  443. # [20:27] <BrianBlakely> Ridiculously cool WebGL demo: http://videos.mozilla.org/serv/mozhacks/flight-of-the-navigator/
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  445. # [20:28] <BrianBlakely> (Must run Chromium or Minefield)
  446. # [20:31] <prgmrBill> oh neat it's loading today
  447. # [20:31] <prgmrBill> yesterday it just didn't load
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  450. # [20:44] <pa7> hey all
  451. # [20:45] <BrianBlakely> Hiya!
  452. # [20:45] <BrianBlakely> prgmrBill: I was just checking it out in Minefield.. later, going to see whether it or Chromium perform better..
  453. # [20:46] <danielfilho> and they said: "Oh, it's the last day of work on this year. It's going to be chill."
  454. # [20:46] <danielfilho> MY ASS.
  455. # [20:46] <prgmrBill> BrianBlakely: didn't actually load today either - it was loading some xml file for about 3 minutes before I figured it froze
  456. # [20:46] <prgmrBill> using chrome 9
  457. # [20:46] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: Silly you, for believing them ;P
  458. # [20:47] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: pm me your email
  459. # [20:47] <BrianBlakely> prgmrBill: Oh, does Chrome 9 have WebGL enabled?
  460. # [20:47] <prgmrBill> idk!
  461. # [20:47] <pa7> oha hackernews christmas style *g*
  462. # [20:47] <danielfilho> You know what? I didn't. It's just to proof my point. So I came and Pantera is giving me the pace for my rhythm. Hahaha
  463. # [20:52] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: What kind of company?
  464. # [20:52] <danielfilho> internet portal
  465. # [20:52] <danielfilho> calm down, I'M FRON THE INTERNET, BRO!
  466. # [20:53] <danielfilho> from. fat fingers sux.
  467. # [20:53] <BrianBlakely> hehe
  468. # [20:53] <danielfilho> does it exists in US yet?
  469. # [20:53] <danielfilho> internet portals?
  470. # [20:54] <danielfilho> haha
  471. # [20:54] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: More apt Q: Does it exist in the US *anymore*?
  472. # [20:54] <BrianBlakely> :P
  473. # [20:54] <BrianBlakely> (the answer is no)
  474. # [20:55] <danielfilho> good. need to get my engRish trained. You guys have to be useful for something.
  475. # [20:55] <BrianBlakely> (unless you consider Facebook a portal)
  476. # [20:56] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: From where do you hail?
  477. # [20:56] <danielfilho> BrianBlakely: Sao Paulo, Brazil
  478. # [20:57] <danielfilho> BTW, I was shocked with Social Network movie. To have ten zeros on your account, you have to walk on flip-flops the whole time in US?
  479. # [20:57] <danielfilho> Even when snows? And when you're going to do that with a girl in a night-party's bathroom?
  480. # [20:57] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: To add 10 zeros to your account, you have to make a film that grossly exaggerates actual events :)
  481. # [20:58] <danielfilho> Oh. I'm an atheist but, THANK GOD.
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  483. # [20:59] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: Though Zuck really did wear flip-flops all the time. I don't know about pub bathrooms… I don't want to know.
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  485. # [20:59] <danielfilho> Hahaha... me too :)
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  487. # [21:00] <danielfilho> But, if it is a tip to get wealthy, well, I do. :D
  488. # [21:02] <danielfilho> ok, just kidding. as usual.
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  490. # [21:02] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: I think the secret to being a wealthy entrepreneur is to just not stop working, ever. Note: This does not apply if you are working for someone else
  491. # [21:02] <danielfilho> my opinion about the movie was: how the hell could the brazilian be the nice guy on the story?
  492. # [21:04] <BrianBlakely> Who was Brazilian? Was it Zuck's CFO?
  493. # [21:05] <danielfilho> Eduardo Saverin
  494. # [21:05] <danielfilho> he's brazilian
  495. # [21:08] <BrianBlakely> Ah
  496. # [21:08] <BrianBlakely> Are Brazilians too cold-hearted to be "nice guy"s? :P
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  498. # [21:12] <danielfilho> BrianBlakely: no, but we're world-wide famous for trying to be more "clever" than others, if you can understand me.
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  500. # [21:14] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: I think I do. We have a saying in America about Brazil: "He who controls the rainforest, controls the world."
  501. # [21:14] <BrianBlakely> (that isn't actually a saying)
  502. # [21:16] <danielfilho> ooh.
  503. # [21:16] <danielfilho> I love when we don't talk about coding here.
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  505. # [21:21] <BrianBlakely> It's the holidays, it's time to be goofy
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  511. # [21:25] <pa7> omg just spoke with a CTO about html5 and realized he thought JS animations equal html5.. funny guy
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  513. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> pa7: That's the sentiment of 95% of the digital industry
  514. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> pa7: An incorrect one, but all the same
  515. # [21:31] <BrianBlakely> pa7: I gave an all-staff talk at my agency, to educate on buzz-vs-fact
  516. # [21:33] <pa7> BrianBlakely: that's a nice idea
  517. # [21:33] <danielfilho> pa7: I tweeted this week "HTML5 is the new Ajax"
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  520. # [21:34] <BrianBlakely> danielfilho: It's absolutely true
  521. # [21:34] <BrianBlakely> In every sense
  522. # [21:34] <pa7> danielfilho: haha or HTML5 is the new SOA
  523. # [21:36] <pa7> is buzzwording the result of bad technology introduction strategies?
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  525. # [21:37] <pa7> or is this just the fault of some marketing guys ^^
  526. # [21:38] <paul_irish> hey man i'll still use "ajax" if i'm XHR'ing in json or html
  527. # [21:38] <paul_irish> drawing the line in the sand on the term "html5" is reallllly tough
  528. # [21:38] <BrianBlakely> pa7: It's the fault of an overly-wordy tech lexicon
  529. # [21:39] <danielfilho> paul_irish: we all do. I hope. But the buzzword now is "web apps" and "HTML5".
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  531. # [21:41] <paul_irish> aint nuttin wrong with that.
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  536. # [21:52] <BrianBlakely> HTML5 = "New cool tech AS WELL AS a renaissance-shift in output from the community and industry at large"
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  538. # [21:54] <pa7> "I don't care what it is but all our sites need html5 support because HTML5 rocks and our clients like it"
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  542. # [22:00] <mokush> what's the best way for cross-domaining around?
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  544. # [22:03] <danielfilho> mokush: jsonp?
  545. # [22:03] <danielfilho> lolz
  546. # [22:04] <mokush> danielfilho: I need to post a form, so it won't work
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  548. # [22:06] <danielfilho> you're in domain A, and need to post on domain B, right?
  549. # [22:06] <danielfilho> so you want to post cross-domain
  550. # [22:06] <danielfilho> not to retrieve?
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  561. # [22:25] <mokush> danielfilho: yeah.
  562. # [22:26] <BrianBlakely> mokush: Wait, setting the action for another domain doesn't work?
  563. # [22:26] <mokush> I think I'm going to use some php proxy
  564. # [22:26] <mokush> BrianBlakely: what do you mean/
  565. # [22:26] <danielfilho> BrianBlakely: it depends on the web server configh
  566. # [22:26] <BrianBlakely> form action="some_other_domain_location"
  567. # [22:26] <mokush> well the server doesn't have the allow-origin stuff
  568. # [22:26] <danielfilho> there is an unclean way to do that with iframe
  569. # [22:27] <BrianBlakely> Weird, I thought that was in the brainless config for most servers (at least, I've never encountered a problem)
  570. # [22:28] <danielfilho> create 2 elements. an iframe and a form. set the form attributes action and method.
  571. # [22:28] <danielfilho> then you append the form on the iframe.
  572. # [22:28] <danielfilho> then you append the iframe on your document.
  573. # [22:28] <danielfilho> then you submit.
  574. # [22:29] <danielfilho> then you kill me for such a dirty solution.
  575. # [22:32] <danielfilho> you have to create the fields and values on the form inside your iframe too.
  576. # [22:32] <danielfilho> \
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  579. # [22:37] <pa7> dirty but nice
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  581. # [22:37] <mokush> danielfilho: have to try that out
  582. # [22:38] <BrianBlakely> There's an AIM password phishing scheme that's running rampant at the moment
  583. # [22:39] <BrianBlakely> Be careful of IMs or emails, especially those landing on Chinese websites!
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  585. # [22:39] <BrianBlakely> links in IMs or emails*
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  587. # [22:39] <BrianBlakely> I was almost duped, several coworkers were not so lucky
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  591. # [22:40] <pa7> BrianBlakely: thanks for the tip
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  604. # [23:35] <danielfilho> DUDES
  605. # [23:35] <danielfilho> see you all next year, ok?
  606. # [23:36] <danielfilho> I hope you all can survive withou me next week. You have to promise you'll eat all your meals. And vegetables. And coffee. And whisky and beer and caipirinhas.
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  608. # [23:36] <doonie> how does one center the <header> tag in ie? margin: 0 auto; doesn't seem to work weird enough ;p
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  610. # [23:39] <danielfilho> doonie: you could ask Santa, to make margin works on IE. (a.k.a. I didn't had this problem. Yet.)
  611. # [23:39] <danielfilho> :D
  612. # [23:39] <doonie> others seem to do this on the body tag hmm
  613. # [23:39] <mokush> danielfilho: you going to a skiing caban or what?
  614. # [23:40] <danielfilho> hahaha
  615. # [23:40] <danielfilho> will go to a farm
  616. # [23:40] <danielfilho> from my family
  617. # [23:40] <doonie> kewl works, go figure. santa never delives ;>
  618. # [23:40] <doonie> delivers*
  619. # [23:41] <danielfilho> doonie: it's because Santa doesn't use SCRUM.
  620. # [23:41] <doonie> hehe
  621. # [23:41] <danielfilho> he probably chooses lean. or kanban.
  622. # [23:41] <doonie> that scum ;p
  623. # [23:41] <danielfilho> hahaha
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  625. # [23:41] <danielfilho> well, gotta go for real, now.
  626. # [23:42] <danielfilho> behave yourself.
  627. # [23:42] <doonie> btw yer nick is very.. kinky when read a.. slow way ;p
  628. # [23:42] <danielfilho> why?
  629. # [23:43] <doonie> ho ho ho
  630. # [23:43] <danielfilho> will figure it out next year. bye!
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  632. # [23:44] <XmasMoo> hey
  633. # [23:44] <XmasMoo> doonie: here is santa for IE
  634. # [23:44] <XmasMoo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkyqODDF-LU
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  636. # [23:47] <BrianBlakely> For margin: 0 auto; to work, your <header> must have a display type capable of accepting margins, and then make sure the width is not 100% of the parent
  637. # [23:47] <BrianBlakely> PEEEACES
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