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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 12 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  4. # [00:01] <tw2113> is it bad that i still shrug when I see others complaining about a massive email inbox? and i sit here waiting to receive a reply?
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  6. # [00:05] <davidmurdoch> tw2113: me too. I guess we aren't popular enough?
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  8. # [00:06] <Noxxy> me three lol
  9. # [00:06] <nimbupani> or not subscribed to enough mailing lists
  10. # [00:06] <tw2113> i did that with one of my gmail accounts
  11. # [00:06] <tw2113> technically i'm talking about my work account :D
  12. # [00:06] <davidmurdoch> I was on the web perf mailing list...but they kept going in circles.
  13. # [00:07] <davidmurdoch> did you know that gmail will unsubscribe from some mailing lists for you?
  14. # [00:07] <antonkovalyov> what browser is in the windows phone?
  15. # [00:07] <antonkovalyov> so far it is some piece of shit
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  17. # [00:08] <jus101> isn't it some crappy implementation of IE7?
  18. # [00:08] <davidmurdoch> some crippled version of IE 7, right?
  19. # [00:08] <davidmurdoch> * wins
  20. # [00:08] <antonkovalyov> hm
  21. # [00:08] <antonkovalyov> it does not understand base64 encoded images
  22. # [00:08] <antonkovalyov> ie7 understands them afaik
  23. # [00:09] <tw2113> gotta love Microsoft trying to jump into the modern smartphone game with an even worse version of their flagship browser, nearly 2 versions back
  24. # [00:09] <davidmurdoch> Is there a script out there that detects IE6 and redirects to a website that displays a giant middle finger center-screen? j/k
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  27. # [00:11] <davidmurdoch> who should I follow on twitter?
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  29. # [00:12] <craigbarnes> antonkovalyov: IE7 doesn't support data URIs
  30. # [00:12] <craigbarnes> only IE8+
  31. # [00:12] <antonkovalyov> craigbarnes, oh really. i must have mixed it then
  32. # [00:12] <antonkovalyov> well
  33. # [00:12] <antonkovalyov> fuck :)
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  35. # [00:14] <tw2113> antonkovalyov, i think that's what most people say when they picture IE
  36. # [00:17] <dgathright> "MHTML – when you need data: URIs in IE7 and under" http://www.phpied.com/mhtml-when-you-need-data-uris-in-ie7-and-under/
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  41. # [00:20] * craigbarnes นอนหลับ
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  47. # [00:24] <HAITI> html5 is so sexy
  48. # [00:24] <HAITI> love love love
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  50. # [00:25] <Jayflux> what do you like best about it HAITI
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  52. # [00:25] <Neiluj> Jayflux: the doctype
  53. # [00:25] <Neiluj> :)
  54. # [00:25] <Jayflux> lol
  55. # [00:25] <HAITI> yes! haha
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  57. # [00:25] <tw2113> i challenge someone to not memorize the doctype
  58. # [00:26] <Jayflux> lets see the doctype
  59. # [00:26] <tw2113> <!DOCTYPE html>
  60. # [00:26] <Noxxy> too long.
  61. # [00:26] <Noxxy> it should be shortened next revision.
  62. # [00:26] <Neiluj> <!>
  63. # [00:26] <HAITI> Jayflux: canvas might be my favorite
  64. # [00:26] <HAITI> but ...
  65. # [00:26] <tw2113> i likely have hair that's longer than that doctype
  66. # [00:26] * Noxxy seeps with sarcasm
  67. # [00:27] <Jayflux> man thats a short doctype
  68. # [00:27] <davidmurdoch> <!doctype html>
  69. # [00:27] <Jayflux> why is it so short
  70. # [00:27] <davidmurdoch> lowercase, fools!
  71. # [00:27] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: +1
  72. # [00:28] <dgathright> HTML6 is not impressed with your shortened doctype, and has decided to use <!>
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  74. # [00:28] <Jayflux> lol
  75. # [00:28] <antonkovalyov> #!html
  76. # [00:28] <Jayflux> all about html 7 dgathright
  77. # [00:28] <Jayflux> i heard thats gonna be good
  78. # [00:28] <davidmurdoch> #!html ties my fingers up
  79. # [00:29] <dgathright> +1 to #!html
  80. # [00:29] <davidmurdoch> though so does "<?= ?>". I always screw that up
  81. # [00:29] <davidmurdoch> #!html = nevergunnahappen
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  83. # [00:30] <tw2113> damn, i think i ran out of places to use hcard on this client site already
  84. # [00:30] <davidmurdoch> HTML5 spec won't be finalized until 2020 or something. Lets revisit the HTML 6 doctype declaration then.
  85. # [00:30] <tw2113> html4 spec isn't even done
  86. # [00:30] <tw2113> and finalized
  87. # [00:30] <Jayflux> lol
  88. # [00:31] <Jayflux> whats taking them so long?
  89. # [00:31] <Jayflux> on a serious note
  90. # [00:31] <tw2113> these things take time
  91. # [00:31] <tw2113> lots of haggling and debating
  92. # [00:32] <davidmurdoch> lots of it
  93. # [00:32] <Jayflux> aye
  94. # [00:32] <davidmurdoch> I thought i'd be interested to be involved on the mailing lists. that got annoying.
  95. # [00:33] <dgathright> haha
  96. # [00:33] <tw2113> personal interest probably pegs it as too slow of process to pay that close of attention to
  97. # [00:34] <davidmurdoch> so, what version will Chrome be on when HTML5 is finalized?
  98. # [00:34] <davidmurdoch> :-p
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  100. # [00:34] <Jayflux> 15
  101. # [00:34] <Jayflux> 15.1.2
  102. # [00:34] <dgathright> O/U at version 87
  103. # [00:35] <thatryan> anyone have cache manifest working on ipad?
  104. # [00:35] <dgathright> let the betting begin
  105. # [00:35] <davidmurdoch> O/U?
  106. # [00:35] <tw2113> opera will be at version 24
  107. # [00:36] <tw2113> internet explorer will be at version 11 by the time html5 is fully finalized
  108. # [00:36] <tw2113> and there will be 1 single IE6 user left and everyone would cater to him
  109. # [00:36] <davidmurdoch> hahahaa
  110. # [00:37] <antonkovalyov> haha
  111. # [00:37] <Jayflux> lol so true tw2113
  112. # [00:37] <davidmurdoch> In sci-fi movies, monitors are almost never perfect rectangles. When are we going to get odd-shaped monitors?
  113. # [00:38] <davidmurdoch> monitors should have rounded corners, right?
  114. # [00:38] <Jayflux> when will we pull the standards plug on ie6
  115. # [00:38] <tw2113> isn't that why we have widescreen?
  116. # [00:38] <Jayflux> i mean surely the only people using that browser are ones who havent heard of an update
  117. # [00:38] <tw2113> the sooner people stop catering to it
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  119. # [00:38] <Jayflux> and don't deserve a good web experience anyway
  120. # [00:38] <davidmurdoch> lets I checked my widescreen monitor was a rectangle.
  121. # [00:38] <tw2113> what is a perfect rectangle?
  122. # [00:38] <dgathright> a perfect rectangle? Wouldn't that be a square? And all imperfect squares are rectangles?
  123. # [00:39] <davidmurdoch> Jayflux. the corporate world still uses IE6.
  124. # [00:39] <tw2113> i've read the argument about if someone is browsing the internet with IE6 and javascript disabled...they are likely very miserable
  125. # [00:39] <davidmurdoch> hm. I think a perfect rectangle means no round corners.
  126. # [00:39] <Jayflux> really davidmurdoch, aren't IE now on 9 or something, how are they even getting it?
  127. # [00:39] <Neiluj> the real question is about screen resolution. When HTML5 will be finalized, we won't care about IE6 anymore but will we still make website for 1024px screens... ?
  128. # [00:40] <tw2113> Jayflux, it's called IT departments with software built on that version
  129. # [00:40] <tw2113> and sysadmins who hate change
  130. # [00:40] <tw2113> and argue "it's not broken for us, why upgrade?"
  131. # [00:40] <Neiluj> I think we will... for the iWatch
  132. # [00:40] <davidmurdoch> Probably, 1024px is nice with for easy reading.
  133. # [00:40] <davidmurdoch> what tw2113 said.
  134. # [00:40] <davidmurdoch> *is a nice width for easy reading*
  135. # [00:41] <davidmurdoch> I can't type
  136. # [00:41] <tw2113> i say leave them in the dirt
  137. # [00:41] <davidmurdoch> chromeframe to the rescue.
  138. # [00:41] <tw2113> make browsing anything but their own intranet a complete misery liable to send people into a depression spiral
  139. # [00:41] <Jayflux> tw2113 i don't bother catering for em
  140. # [00:41] <tw2113> "i'm sorry, but the internet is not willing to wait for your feet dragging asses to get with 2011"
  141. # [00:41] <Jayflux> if they use it its their own fault
  142. # [00:42] <dgathright> YUI's graded browser support for IE6 is soon dropping to a degraded-level, so if Yahoo will soon not give 2 shits about IE6, that means most other people can stop caring too.
  143. # [00:43] <Jayflux> dgathright other people should have stopped caring years ago
  144. # [00:43] <tw2113> from what i understand, some people are like "yahoo is still relevant?"
  145. # [00:43] <dgathright> Oddly enough, I say that as I'm working on an IE6 bug
  146. # [00:43] <tw2113> or "oh yeah, yahoo is still around"
  147. # [00:43] <dgathright> Jayflux: Not going to disagree with you there.
  148. # [00:43] <davidmurdoch> I haven't worked on IE6 since march. \o/
  149. # [00:43] <HAITI> ie6: Initial release August 27, 2001 from wikipedia
  150. # [00:44] <dgathright> <--- is a Yahoo
  151. # [00:44] <dgathright> tw2113: ^
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  153. # [00:44] <tw2113> :P
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  155. # [00:45] <davidmurdoch> I wish unchecked checkboxes would send an "off" value.
  156. # [00:45] <Jayflux> who actually uses yahoo
  157. # [00:45] <Jayflux> how is it still making money lol
  158. # [00:45] <Jayflux> apart from flickr etc
  159. # [00:47] <tw2113> i kind of want to get back into using their mail setup, which i've heard is getting ready for an overhaul
  160. # [00:47] <davidmurdoch> alot of people still use yahoo mail.
  161. # [00:47] <tw2113> i really want to find a good use for yql
  162. # [00:47] <Jayflux> yql?
  163. # [00:47] <tw2113> ?g yql
  164. # [00:47] <bot-t> tw2113, Yahoo! Query Language - YDN - http://developer.yahoo.com/yql/
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  166. # [00:47] <davidmurdoch> yahoo query language
  167. # [00:47] <Jayflux> oh right
  168. # [00:48] <davidmurdoch> how does the bot work?
  169. # [00:48] <tw2113> ?g bot-t
  170. # [00:48] <bot-t> tw2113, Christian Talk Radio | Bott Radio Network - http://www.bottradionetwork.com/
  171. # [00:48] <dgathright> Jayflux: Yahoo's main source of revenue is from display advertising.
  172. # [00:48] <tw2113> nope, that's not right
  173. # [00:48] <davidmurdoch> lol
  174. # [00:48] <Jayflux> yeah i guessed dgathright i just mean its barely used in comparison to back in the day
  175. # [00:48] <Jayflux> although that statement could be wrong
  176. # [00:49] <tw2113> it's seen better days
  177. # [00:49] <dgathright> tw2113: YQL is badass. Allows for some really cool stuff.
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  179. # [00:49] <tw2113> ?8ball is YQL a bad mofo that should be used daily?
  180. # [00:49] <bot-t> Most likely.
  181. # [00:49] <dgathright> example - OAuth securely in JS. http://derekville.net/2010/how-to-secure-oauth-in-javascript/
  182. # [00:49] <tw2113> bot-t is rather smart
  183. # [00:50] <dgathright> Though some people just say my example is trading a self hosted proxy for a YQL proxy, but still... concept is the same, client code is all JS.
  184. # [00:50] <davidmurdoch> so, more info on bot-t please.
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  186. # [00:50] <tw2113> ?help
  187. # [00:50] <bot-t> Get FREE A++ HELP - http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
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  189. # [00:50] <tw2113> nope, that's not right either
  190. # [00:51] <davidmurdoch> bot-t: who are you? lol
  191. # [00:51] <bot-t> davidmurdoch, .animate() - Perform a custom animation of a set of CSS properties. http://api.jquery.com/animate/
  192. # [00:51] <davidmurdoch> wtf?
  193. # [00:52] <davidmurdoch> well, I do love jQuery's animate().
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  195. # [00:55] <tw2113> i emailed this to my boss earlier, with the subject of "time killer" or so
  196. # [00:55] <tw2113> http://www.phoboslab.org/ztype/
  197. # [00:55] <tw2113> and in the subject i was like "not that we have time to sacrifice"
  198. # [00:55] <tw2113> he ended up wasting a little bit of time on it
  199. # [00:57] <davidmurdoch> I did that up to level 18 today.
  200. # [00:57] <davidmurdoch> haha
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  203. # [01:01] <davidmurdoch> ?eval [1,2,3].forEach(function(item){ print(item); });
  204. # [01:01] <bot-t> davidmurdoch: 123
  205. # [01:01] <davidmurdoch> fancy!
  206. # [01:02] <alcuadrado> wow
  207. # [01:02] <alcuadrado> that crashed my chrom
  208. # [01:02] <alcuadrado> e
  209. # [01:02] <davidmurdoch> ?fpi
  210. # [01:02] <bot-t> fucking paul irish!
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  212. # [01:04] <paul_irish> heh :)
  213. # [01:05] <antonkovalyov> hahaha
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  216. # [01:07] <davidmurdoch> I just discovered http://docs.jquery.com/JQuery_bot_commands
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  218. # [01:07] <tw2113> level 22
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  220. # [01:08] <paul_irish> you can also /msg bot-t help -- for some more
  221. # [01:08] <paul_irish> his ?translate hasnt been documented though.
  222. # [01:08] <tw2113> forgot about /msg
  223. # [01:09] <tw2113> gotta go
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  226. # [01:09] <davidmurdoch> darn you and your darn limitations
  227. # [01:09] <davidmurdoch> ?darn you and your darn limitations
  228. # [01:09] <bot-t> Stop talking to me that way, I'm a lady, goddamnit!
  229. # [01:09] <paul_irish> yeah... looooots in here: see ?factoids
  230. # [01:09] <bot-t> factoid list: http://bot-t.com/factoids/
  231. # [01:10] <paul_irish> mr bot-t is our bot from #jquery, obv so he has quite a backlog of inside jokes inside.
  232. # [01:10] <paul_irish> ?ajpiano
  233. # [01:10] <bot-t> ajpiano wants to make come
  234. # [01:10] <paul_irish> hahahaha wat
  235. # [01:10] <davidmurdoch> I've been browsing teh factoids for a couple minutes now.
  236. # [01:11] <ajpiano> ?ajpiano paul_irish
  237. # [01:11] <bot-t> ajpiano wants to make paul_irish come
  238. # [01:11] <davidmurdoch> I'm cracking up. I need sleep.
  239. # [01:11] <paul_irish> ah right. :)
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  242. # [01:12] <paul_irish> jochen__: i know you. :)
  243. # [01:15] <Noxxy> Anyone have a must have list of iOS apps for web devs/designers? :p
  244. # [01:15] <dgathright> Interesting implications for <video>, Chrome dropping h.264. Yay. http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
  245. # [01:17] <dgathright> My $0.02 = Never should have supported it in the first place, but I guess better late than never.
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  247. # [01:19] <antonkovalyov> what was the problem with h.264 again?
  248. # [01:19] <alcuadrado> IP
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  250. # [01:22] <dgathright> h.264 isn't a free (as in freedom) codec. Baking something that isn't free into the web stack is a bad idea. We've already gone through it once with Flash
  251. # [01:22] <dgathright> I would say Java (applets) as well, but that idea fell flat on its face.
  252. # [01:23] <antonkovalyov> ah yeah i remember now.
  253. # [01:23] <alcuadrado> I think google, with youtube, has the final world in this discussion
  254. # [01:23] <alcuadrado> word*
  255. # [01:24] <paul_irish> apple's final word on flash seems to be pretty significant
  256. # [01:24] <paul_irish> i think their opinion on video is comparable in significance
  257. # [01:24] <alcuadrado> if flash starts supporting webm, then, youtube can remove it's h264 library, and leave webm only
  258. # [01:25] <alcuadrado> so apple would have to support webm
  259. # [01:25] <dgathright> that was the last browser the open camp needed. Now with Firefox & Chrome, as well as installable codecs in IE, Safari is left all alone.
  260. # [01:25] <alcuadrado> although taht'll never happen, as they loose mose mobile marketshare :P
  261. # [01:26] <dgathright> As long as iOS only support h.264, YouTube will always need h.264 versions.
  262. # [01:26] <alcuadrado> don't forget the ipod, iphone and ipad dgathright :(
  263. # [01:26] <alcuadrado> that's it
  264. # [01:27] <dgathright> yeah, I'm just most interested in web technologies here. I don't view apps as part of the web. Internet, yes. Web, no.
  265. # [01:27] <alcuadrado> what?
  266. # [01:30] <dgathright> Apple can do whatever they want inside their own devices. I'm fine with them limiting it to h.264 only inside apps. But, anything browser-based on mobile or desktops/laptops should support WebM.
  267. # [01:30] <dgathright> Or theora
  268. # [01:30] <dgathright> I don't care as long as it is free
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  271. # [01:31] <dgathright> Reading through the comments of that blog post, wow, lots of angry people.
  272. # [01:32] <alcuadrado> I see
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  275. # [01:32] <Brodingo> theora is ogg and webm is mkv.. ?
  276. # [01:32] <Noxxy> you'd have to consider mobile safari as well though, its a pretty large part of the browser stats of most large websites lol
  277. # [01:33] <alcuadrado> it's a pretty radical movement, so obviously there would be angry people
  278. # [01:33] <alcuadrado> is paul_irish work to calm them down (?)
  279. # [01:34] <alcuadrado> Brodingo, AFAIK, yes
  280. # [01:34] <dgathright> Noxxy: Right. IMO, all browsers should support a free codec. Apple will eventually have to cave.
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  282. # [01:36] <dgathright> I don't have anything against h.264, I just don't want it the defacto standard of the web. Reminiscent of when that patent holding group tried to sue just about everyone on the web for using jpgs.
  283. # [01:37] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: i dont think i'm gonna do that. :)
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  285. # [01:38] <alcuadrado> I know, just joking :P
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  295. # [02:02] <dgathright> Hmm... doesn't Chrome support MP3? If so, how is that situation different from h.264 (aside from everyone on the planet ignoring MP3 IP restrictions)
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  297. # [02:09] <alcuadrado> it maybe the same situation
  298. # [02:09] <alcuadrado> but they don't promote an alternative to mp3
  299. # [02:09] <alcuadrado> at least yet
  300. # [02:09] <alcuadrado> so it makes no sence, IMHO, to drop support for mp3 now
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  303. # [02:11] <dgathright> Yeah, I think we're a little late with the whole MP3 thing at this point. Just wondering if there was something I was missing.
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  307. # [02:27] * paul_irish shrugs.
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  310. # [02:34] <antonkovalyov> not to be on anybody's side but i think the logic "if we have to support a couple of proprietary formats let's support even more" is flawed
  311. # [02:34] <antonkovalyov> cc alcuadrado
  312. # [02:34] <antonkovalyov> cc dgathright
  313. # [02:35] <alcuadrado> sure it is
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  315. # [02:40] <paul_irish> here is my tweet that i am not going to tweet
  316. # [02:40] <paul_irish> This h.264 news changes nothing. When webm debuted, I told everyone to encode in webm&ogv&h264. When FF4 shipped, drop ogv. Nothing changed.
  317. # [02:51] <ben_c> I'm going back to animated gifs and wavs
  318. # [02:52] <dgathright> Animated gifs > 1080p HD video.
  319. # [02:53] <tw2113> mmm ogg
  320. # [02:54] <ben_c> can someone please make a 1080p animated gif?
  321. # [02:57] <tw2113> i need to dick around a bit more with <video>
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  323. # [02:58] <dgathright> My "dick around weekend" with <video>. http://html5hitler.com/
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  325. # [02:59] <dgathright> probably the funniest > http://html5hitler.com/58
  326. # [02:59] <dgathright> (need to clean up the dupes people created)
  327. # [03:02] <ben_c> owies ogg only?
  328. # [03:04] <dgathright> Was the easiest thing to get set up w/ FFMPEG during a hackday event. Didn't have enough time to work out all the kinks w/ h.264 support.
  329. # [03:07] <tw2113> i should join archive.org for video conversion stuff
  330. # [03:07] <paul_irish> dgathright: my favorite is messages to your fans in the source code.
  331. # [03:08] <paul_irish> "why hello there."
  332. # [03:08] <paul_irish> :)
  333. # [03:09] <dgathright> Anytime I visit a site that has html5 in the domain name, usually first thing I do is ctrl+u, so I figured (apparently rightfully so) there are plenty of others like me as well. =D
  334. # [03:10] <ben_c> I think I spend more time looking at the source of webpages than the actual page!
  335. # [03:10] <paul_irish> dgathright: omg. firefox user! >:|
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  337. # [03:11] <tw2113> chrome at work, firefox at home opera on the go
  338. # [03:17] <dgathright> I tried the whole "develop in one, use the other for casual browsing" thing, but having a split history was too big of a headache. I'll concede that Chrome is superior in most every way, but I don't think I'd ever ditch FF. Mozilla FTW. A man's gotta have his principles. :)
  339. # [03:22] <alcuadrado> dgathright, I'm with you
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  341. # [03:22] <alcuadrado> but my FF installation is broken, so I have been using chrome lately
  342. # [03:22] <alcuadrado> and what I miss THE MOST
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  344. # [03:22] <alcuadrado> is the awosome bar
  345. # [03:23] <alcuadrado> which is REALLY awosome
  346. # [03:23] <alcuadrado> chrome's bar suck in comparison to it
  347. # [03:23] <dgathright> Oh man, yeah, with you on that one.
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  349. # [03:23] <alcuadrado> I understand that chrome's one is more centered int searching in google
  350. # [03:24] <alcuadrado> but I find searching in the history much MUCH useful
  351. # [03:25] <tw2113> it took a few days to figure out how to use chrome's bar for searching more than just google
  352. # [03:25] <dgathright> I don't like the mixed search/URL bar. It's good UX for most people out there, but I prefer them to be separate.
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  356. # [03:30] <dgathright> OH in #javascript "Tempus2: javascript doesn't support ===" Looks like another w3schools victim.
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  359. # [03:34] <paul_irish> oh god.
  360. # [03:35] <paul_irish> ?g w3schools javascript equality
  361. # [03:35] <bot-t> paul_irish, JavaScript Comparison and Logical Operators - http://w3schools.com/js/js_comparisons.asp
  362. # [03:35] <paul_irish> phew.
  363. # [03:36] <antonkovalyov> does anybody use node.js here on mac?
  364. # [03:37] <antonkovalyov> build failed for me, macports tries to install openssl for whatever reason
  365. # [03:37] <antonkovalyov> any other simple ways to install it?
  366. # [03:38] <antonkovalyov> i really don't want to spend an hour trying to figure out why build breaks
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  368. # [03:41] <dgathright> antonkovalyov: I do. you are trying to install it via macports? I've always done it just by checking out the git repo.
  369. # [03:41] <antonkovalyov> i tried to check out git repo and ./configure && make
  370. # [03:41] <antonkovalyov> got this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/9t8l4jiftenv.png
  371. # [03:41] <antonkovalyov> now trying to install via macports
  372. # [03:41] <dgathright> I gave up on macports a while back. Sooooo friggin buggy. I prefer Brew now. https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
  373. # [03:42] <antonkovalyov> if only i could port all the stuff i've already installed via macports :)
  374. # [03:42] <antonkovalyov> i really like virtualenv in python
  375. # [03:43] <antonkovalyov> i wish there was virtualenv for everything
  376. # [03:43] <dgathright> Yeah, that could be a dealbreaker. I only had a dozen or so things I only used occasionally.
  377. # [03:43] <dgathright> regarding the git method, I'd try a different version and see if you get the same results
  378. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/s52kfv5prvoj.png
  379. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> fuuuu
  380. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> ok, trying git again :)
  381. # [03:47] <antonkovalyov> tried 0.3.4, same thing
  382. # [03:47] <antonkovalyov> dgathright, are there any hidden depencies for node?
  383. # [03:48] <antonkovalyov> nvm
  384. # [03:48] <antonkovalyov> gonna ask in #node.js
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  389. # [03:56] <Neiluj> paul_irish: hey paul, I got a few questions about css3please
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  393. # [03:57] <Neiluj> first, did you/somebody write the cssMath object from scratch or is it from another project ?
  394. # [03:59] <Neiluj> I'm not comfortable with regexp, but I need to port some of them in PHP
  395. # [03:59] <paul_irish> Neiluj: jon neal wrote it from scratch
  396. # [04:00] <paul_irish> Neiluj: you should use whats in https://github.com/paulirish/css3please/blob/master/test_math.js
  397. # [04:00] <paul_irish> as its more correct and handles more cases.
  398. # [04:00] <paul_irish> right now the site sucks with rgb and hsl
  399. # [04:00] <Neiluj> oh ok
  400. # [04:00] <paul_irish> and test_math will fix that
  401. # [04:00] <Neiluj> nice :)
  402. # [04:00] <paul_irish> once integrated....
  403. # [04:01] <Neiluj> ok
  404. # [04:01] <thatryan> hey paul_irish I love you!
  405. # [04:01] <thatryan> wait, I mean
  406. # [04:01] <thatryan> did you get my tweet? :D
  407. # [04:01] <paul_irish> what was it again
  408. # [04:02] <thatryan> In that screenshot you posted to firefox, what was that toolbar in the top most image
  409. # [04:02] <paul_irish> web console
  410. # [04:02] <paul_irish> mozilla is making their own Firebug
  411. # [04:02] <paul_irish> slowly.
  412. # [04:02] <thatryan> ahhh
  413. # [04:03] <thatryan> will it be any good?
  414. # [04:03] <paul_irish> no idea.
  415. # [04:03] <thatryan> do you dev solely in chrome?
  416. # [04:03] <paul_irish> its out of labs, which is the same people who rewrote bespin 5 times.
  417. # [04:03] <paul_irish> if that helps give you context.
  418. # [04:03] <paul_irish> :p
  419. # [04:03] <Neiluj> hahaha
  420. # [04:03] <thatryan> lol
  421. # [04:03] <Neiluj> :)
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  423. # [04:04] <paul_irish> thatryan: i dev primarily in chrome but i make shit work in FF / Opera when it can.
  424. # [04:04] <paul_irish> working on an device orientation demo now so i want to test FF but i have zero working dev tools there.
  425. # [04:04] <tw2113> paul_irish if you don't already, leave IE support for others to work out
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  427. # [04:04] <paul_irish> i'll let msft work that out.
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  429. # [04:05] <thatryan> paul_irish: ha gotcha. more of that fun shit from the state of HTML5 demo ;)
  430. # [04:06] <shichuan> hi paul
  431. # [04:06] <Neiluj> paul_irish: May I ask you the same question I asked earlier here about -browser's- prefixes ?
  432. # [04:06] <shichuan> i was writing a build tool tutorial recently
  433. # [04:06] <paul_irish> shichuan: ! :) hey
  434. # [04:06] <Neiluj> 1° do we know when browsers will care about real css3 rules names instead of prefixes one ??
  435. # [04:06] <shichuan> hey!
  436. # [04:07] <paul_irish> shichuan: yeah! i saw.. did you see that big build.xml patch that's waiting to land?
  437. # [04:07] <paul_irish> i think i want to land that before 1.0..
  438. # [04:07] <paul_irish> which means.. soon.
  439. # [04:07] <paul_irish> but i've been scared of it for a little bit.. i need to dive in
  440. # [04:07] <paul_irish> Neiluj: in general, when a css3 module spec goes to Candidate Reccomendation, it's time to drop prefixes.
  441. # [04:08] <Neiluj> (talking about h5bp 1.0 ?)
  442. # [04:08] <shichuan> i will check the patch out
  443. # [04:08] <paul_irish> (yes)
  444. # [04:08] <paul_irish> shichuan is on the boilerplate dev team.
  445. # [04:08] <Neiluj> got to say : nice work guys...
  446. # [04:08] <paul_irish> :)
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  448. # [04:08] <Neiluj> I use a "lite" version everyday
  449. # [04:09] <Neiluj> delete-key friendly right :p
  450. # [04:09] <paul_irish> Neiluj: well we are incorporating a builder/generator tool
  451. # [04:09] <paul_irish> to make it easier for you
  452. # [04:09] <Neiluj> yeah I heard of that recently
  453. # [04:09] <paul_irish> cool
  454. # [04:09] <Neiluj> that's a great idea
  455. # [04:11] <paul_irish> shichuan: nimbupani and i both looked at the document you sent and it looked great
  456. # [04:12] <Neiluj> still about css3 prefixes, do you really use css3please for every concerned rules ? I mean, switching from your text editor just to not copy-pasting ?
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  459. # [04:13] <Neiluj> I'm asking you this because I wrote something last night for my little team and wondered about something similar already exists...
  460. # [04:14] <paul_irish> i use it yeah
  461. # [04:14] <paul_irish> if i had textmate macros i would probably use those instead
  462. # [04:14] <Neiluj> which texteditor are you using ?
  463. # [04:14] <paul_irish> (textmate)
  464. # [04:14] <Neiluj> ok, I use coda...
  465. # [04:14] <paul_irish> once you learn the syntax of transform or whatever, you dont really need to go back to css3please each tim
  466. # [04:14] <paul_irish> but its handy at the start
  467. # [04:15] <Neiluj> and the css guy here is on window... so no textmate
  468. # [04:16] <Neiluj> so my idea was to transform css on the fly, with php...
  469. # [04:16] <Neiluj> only when coding
  470. # [04:16] <paul_irish> sounds like SASS + Compass
  471. # [04:16] <paul_irish> they help HUGELY with css3 and repetition
  472. # [04:16] <Neiluj> yep, sounds like except you don't write anything but css
  473. # [04:16] <nimbupani> well scss is almost css
  474. # [04:16] <paul_irish> yeah sass 3.0 has scss which is the jAM
  475. # [04:17] <Neiluj> does scss "extends" css ?
  476. # [04:17] <nimbupani> yeah
  477. # [04:17] <Neiluj> I mean every css code is valid in scss ?
  478. # [04:17] <nimbupani> yes
  479. # [04:17] <Neiluj> mmh...
  480. # [04:18] <jgv> And it adds variables and mixins. It rules
  481. # [04:18] <Neiluj> so sad it requires ruby :-l
  482. # [04:18] <Neiluj> we don't have it on our servers, damn it
  483. # [04:18] <nimbupani> it needs smthing
  484. # [04:19] <shichuan> cool :) i am trying to add in more details based on the change and also structure it in clearer way :)
  485. # [04:19] <nimbupani> woot shichuan
  486. # [04:19] <shichuan> is this the patch u referring to? https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/pull/207#diff-0
  487. # [04:19] <alcuadrado> Neiluj, you don't need ruby in your servers
  488. # [04:20] <alcuadrado> you can compile it in your desktop befor deploying
  489. # [04:20] <Neiluj> alcuadrado: we're coding directly servers
  490. # [04:20] <Neiluj> onto servers
  491. # [04:20] <alcuadrado> w00t?
  492. # [04:21] <shichuan> hey divya!
  493. # [04:21] <alcuadrado> really?
  494. # [04:21] <Neiluj> we don't work on local
  495. # [04:21] <alcuadrado> are you coding in a live server?
  496. # [04:21] <Neiluj> not the production one ;)
  497. # [04:21] <Neiluj> our development one
  498. # [04:21] <thatryan> cheater ;)
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  500. # [04:21] <Neiluj> well, the same server actually but not the same dns :P
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  502. # [04:22] <Neiluj> it's easier to share at work and at home...
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  504. # [04:22] <alcuadrado> did you hear about git/svn/mercurial?:s
  505. # [04:22] <Neiluj> :) yes
  506. # [04:23] <Neiluj> but... how can I say...
  507. # [04:23] <paul_irish> shichuan: i think https://github.com/craigbarnes/html5-boilerplate/commits/roblarsen has the latest and greatest.
  508. # [04:23] <alcuadrado> and why not just use one CVS
  509. # [04:23] <Neiluj> I'm not the man in charge :D
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  511. # [04:23] <paul_irish> omg craigbarnes is gonna make his own now! https://github.com/craigbarnes/html5-kickstart
  512. # [04:23] <paul_irish> nimbupani: ^
  513. # [04:23] <nimbupani> ha ha
  514. # [04:23] <paul_irish> *watch* ;) ;)
  515. # [04:23] <thatryan> its empty!!
  516. # [04:23] <nimbupani> expect nothing less :D
  517. # [04:24] <paul_irish> well.. he was boilerplate's 2nd biggest external contributor
  518. # [04:24] <paul_irish> maybe his patches waited too long
  519. # [04:24] <nimbupani> :)
  520. # [04:24] <nimbupani> or he was too over-eager :P
  521. # [04:24] <thatryan> kickstart eh? hmmm
  522. # [04:24] <thatryan> names not as cool :p
  523. # [04:25] <thatryan> how about HTML5-MOTHER-FUCKING-IGNITION!
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  525. # [04:26] <mikew3c> HTML asskick
  526. # [04:26] <nimbupani> :D :D
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  529. # [04:31] <paul_irish> thatryan: i like it.
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  532. # [04:32] <shichuan> so we may eventually use this https://github.com/craigbarnes/html5-boilerplate/blob/roblarsen/build/build.xml ?
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  534. # [04:33] <paul_irish> yup.
  535. # [04:34] <paul_irish> i think its likely. both craig and rob were fans.
  536. # [04:36] <shichuan> cool :)
  537. # [04:36] <shichuan> the structure looks better :)
  538. # [04:39] <paul_irish> yeah. the first was very .. mishmashy
  539. # [04:39] <paul_irish> enough to make it work
  540. # [04:39] <paul_irish> using XML for something procedural is very foreign still.. :)
  541. # [04:41] <shichuan> yea, i also just looked into it about a month ago
  542. # [04:42] <shichuan> but once i started exploring it, find it really very useful
  543. # [04:45] <paul_irish> good :)
  544. # [04:45] <mikew3c> oh man
  545. # [04:45] <mikew3c> that smells like ant
  546. # [04:46] <mikew3c> that stuff will whack you up
  547. # [04:46] <shichuan> i know the feeling, i felt strange at first, but it's really easy to configure and one actually dont need to know much about programming to customize it!
  548. # [04:46] <mikew3c> like anisette
  549. # [04:46] <shichuan> that's the nice part
  550. # [04:46] <mikew3c> yeah, it drinks easy
  551. # [04:47] <mikew3c> but then you wake up naked 18 hours later at somebody else's apartment and can't remember how you go there
  552. # [04:48] <alcuadrado> nor the sex of the aparment's owner (?)
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  556. # [04:56] <paul_irish> i glass of pernod with a bunch of ice, crushed mint, and simple syrup is pretty damn amazing
  557. # [04:56] <Neiluj> found a PHP scss port : http://code.google.com/p/phamlp/
  558. # [04:57] <Neiluj> that's great, tomorrow I'll try to convince my colleague...
  559. # [04:57] <paul_irish> sweet
  560. # [04:58] <Neiluj> the project name is awful
  561. # [04:58] <paul_irish> forreal
  562. # [04:58] <Neiluj> but it's working
  563. # [04:58] <Brodingo> you cant event say it
  564. # [04:58] <Brodingo> famulp
  565. # [04:59] <Neiluj> you can, after being hit in your mouth
  566. # [04:59] <Neiluj> and losing one teeth
  567. # [05:01] <Neiluj> it can be configured so it prefixes every css3 rules I need but it doesn't by default
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  570. # [05:06] <Neiluj> damn 5AM here, time to go back home and sleep ;)
  571. # [05:07] <thatryan> 5AM? damn where are you
  572. # [05:07] * jacine|afk is now known as jacine
  573. # [05:08] <Neiluj> Paris
  574. # [05:08] <Neiluj> ;)
  575. # [05:09] <Neiluj> btw there's a famous french song which says "it's 5AM, Paris is waking up...'
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  577. # [05:13] <Neiluj> http://www.deezer.com/listen-540432
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  582. # [05:15] <thatryan> lol I cant read the song names
  583. # [05:15] <Neiluj> hehe
  584. # [05:16] <Neiluj> thx for your help guys, bye !
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  591. # [05:31] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, http://twitter.com/Quakeprediction/status/25023954921979904
  592. # [05:31] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/elFCbS @Quakeprediction -- 11 HR EARTHQUAKE WARNING; Berkeley, Concord, CA 5.0 to 6.6 earthquake is likely in the next 11 hrs; http://www.quakeprediction.com/
  593. # [05:31] <antonkovalyov> we're fuuuucked :)
  594. # [05:31] <thatryan> holy crapppp
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  596. # [05:31] <thatryan> 6.6, that would be a shaker!
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  598. # [05:32] <antonkovalyov> i hope my building is good enough :)
  599. # [05:34] <thatryan> is it old or new?
  600. # [05:34] <antonkovalyov> new
  601. # [05:35] <thatryan> should be good then :D
  602. # [05:35] <thatryan> is this the one that knocks us into the ocean? lol
  603. # [05:35] <antonkovalyov> i guess, we'll see in the next 11 hours
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  605. # [05:37] <thatryan> dang wish it was before work
  606. # [05:37] <antonkovalyov> why?
  607. # [05:37] <antonkovalyov> i wish it was when i am not around here :)
  608. # [05:37] <thatryan> stay home day! hah if only
  609. # [05:38] <thatryan> have you not been here for one?
  610. # [05:38] <antonkovalyov> nope
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  612. # [05:38] <antonkovalyov> or i didn't feel it :)
  613. # [05:39] <thatryan> how long have you lived here?
  614. # [05:40] <antonkovalyov> 2.5 years
  615. # [05:41] <antonkovalyov> we have a fair amount of quakes back in tashkent so i am used to them and don't feel minor earthquakes
  616. # [05:41] <thatryan> aaahhh. damn sorry man, didn't mean to make all light of the situation. It can be nerve wrecking yeah
  617. # [05:41] <thatryan> ah
  618. # [05:41] <thatryan> well youll be fine here :D
  619. # [05:42] <antonkovalyov> :D
  620. # [05:42] <thatryan> if it is 6.6, you will feel it though
  621. # [05:42] <thatryan> the 1989 one was brutal, that was 6.9-7.1
  622. # [05:43] <antonkovalyov> the one that broke bay bridge?
  623. # [05:43] <thatryan> yeah
  624. # [05:43] <thatryan> i was like 12
  625. # [05:44] <antonkovalyov> we had 7.5 in 1966
  626. # [05:44] <antonkovalyov> destroyed like half of city
  627. # [05:44] <thatryan> ah dang, well before my time
  628. # [05:44] <antonkovalyov> well before my time as well :)
  629. # [05:44] <thatryan> heh, how old are you
  630. # [05:44] <antonkovalyov> 24
  631. # [05:44] <thatryan> tashkent, is that Russia?
  632. # [05:45] <antonkovalyov> uzbekistan
  633. # [05:45] <antonkovalyov> ex. part of soviet union
  634. # [05:45] <thatryan> right gotcha
  635. # [05:45] <thatryan> what language is spoken there
  636. # [05:45] <antonkovalyov> russian and uzbek
  637. # [05:45] <antonkovalyov> but i don't know the latter
  638. # [05:45] <antonkovalyov> only russian
  639. # [05:45] <antonkovalyov> (and well english)
  640. # [05:46] <thatryan> ah, well privet!
  641. # [05:46] <thatryan> i think
  642. # [05:46] <thatryan> :p
  643. # [05:46] <antonkovalyov> privet :)
  644. # [05:46] <thatryan> zdrastvuytye
  645. # [05:46] <thatryan> harder to phonetic ha
  646. # [05:46] <antonkovalyov> nice nice :)
  647. # [05:46] <antonkovalyov> russian friends?
  648. # [05:46] <thatryan> was trying to teach mysefl russian actually
  649. # [05:46] <thatryan> tough one :D
  650. # [05:47] <antonkovalyov> oh wow
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  652. # [05:47] <antonkovalyov> yeah, russian is hard
  653. # [05:47] <thatryan> i like the language though
  654. # [05:47] <antonkovalyov> you learn rules for 4 years
  655. # [05:47] <thatryan> in school?
  656. # [05:47] <antonkovalyov> than you spend 2 years to learn exceptions from those rules
  657. # [05:47] <thatryan> HA
  658. # [05:47] <antonkovalyov> yeah
  659. # [05:47] <antonkovalyov> we basically study russian for 11 years in school :)
  660. # [05:48] <thatryan> lots of variations between formal/informal I see. and messing up can be insulting yes?
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  662. # [05:48] <antonkovalyov> not really
  663. # [05:48] <thatryan> well thats good to know lol
  664. # [05:48] <antonkovalyov> :-)
  665. # [05:48] <antonkovalyov> kk, time for dinner
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  667. # [05:48] <thatryan> well if i ever catch ya at a conference you will have to brush up my russian ;)
  668. # [05:49] <antonkovalyov> and prepare food for berkeley/concord earthquake apocalypsis
  669. # [05:49] <thatryan> lol good, ill be hungry :D
  670. # [05:49] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, ok :) we can also meet at http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-JavaScript-Pub-Night/
  671. # [05:49] <antonkovalyov> you are not too far away
  672. # [05:49] <thatryan> oh cool, totally ill check it out
  673. # [05:49] <thatryan> SF not far at all
  674. # [05:50] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish with friends was at the last one. dunno if he is coming to the next one but anyway it is usually fun
  675. # [05:50] <antonkovalyov> k, food
  676. # [05:50] <thatryan> i bet
  677. # [05:50] <thatryan> enjoy
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  679. # [06:00] <thatryan> hey dude
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  683. # [06:12] <paul_irish> LOVE THIS http://www.zachleat.com/bigtext/demo/
  684. # [06:14] <noxxten> Awesome.
  685. # [06:14] <noxxten> A lot of these css3/html5 websites are pretty nicely designed lately.
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  688. # [06:16] * noxxten is now known as noxxy
  689. # [06:16] <noxxy> :c
  690. # [06:16] <noxxy> someone registered the noxxy nickname.
  691. # [06:17] <thatryan> was it you
  692. # [06:17] <thatryan> ;)
  693. # [06:17] <noxxy> nope. not unless its automatic.
  694. # [06:18] <thatryan> no
  695. # [06:18] <noxxy> just tried to change my name to it and it told me it's restricted... though it seems i'm using it anyway lol.
  696. # [06:18] <thatryan> you can until someone with the password logs in with it, then youll be bumped off
  697. # [06:19] <noxxy> ahh. oh well.
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  699. # [06:21] <tw2113> paul_irish any preferred place in the fork that you want me to put that info from earlier?
  700. # [06:21] <thatryan> that sounds dirty...
  701. # [06:22] <tw2113> only to the dirty minded
  702. # [06:22] <tw2113> ........oh wait
  703. # [06:22] <thatryan> lol
  704. # [06:22] <paul_irish> tw2113: somewhere.
  705. # [06:22] <paul_irish> somewhere where it belongs.
  706. # [06:23] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, was the "hey dude" to me?
  707. # [06:23] <tw2113> i was eying right before the "awful examples" pseudo heading
  708. # [06:23] <tw2113> *shrugs* sure, as long as it wasn't something offensive
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  710. # [06:23] <tw2113> aka no idea what you're talking about at the moment, sorry :D
  711. # [06:23] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: quakeprediction is some bullllshit
  712. # [06:23] <paul_irish> that's what i think.
  713. # [06:24] * noxxy is now known as noxxten
  714. # [06:24] <tw2113> almost like predicting who will open fire on someone
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  716. # [06:24] <tw2113> damn it! still too soon for that!
  717. # [06:24] <thatryan> paul_irish: if you get shaken in half i got dibs on your tech ;)
  718. # [06:24] * tw2113 storms off to go fork and pull request
  719. # [06:24] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/-cih7jsg2r0f.png
  720. # [06:24] <antonkovalyov> oh wait
  721. # [06:24] <antonkovalyov> i bet somebody joined the channel around this time?
  722. # [06:24] <antonkovalyov> i have those notifications turned off
  723. # [06:24] <antonkovalyov> :)
  724. # [06:25] <thatryan> lol that was me who said hey dude
  725. # [06:25] <antonkovalyov> oops
  726. # [06:25] <thatryan> was right as ajpiano came in
  727. # [06:25] <tw2113> yeah i haven't been in here for an hour or more
  728. # [06:26] <antonkovalyov> i typed t and pressed tab :)
  729. # [06:26] <thatryan> yeah it happens ;)
  730. # [06:26] <tw2113> i find it appropriate in times like this, where men be men
  731. # [06:26] <tw2113> and say
  732. # [06:27] <tw2113> hey dude, antonkovalyov :)
  733. # [06:27] <antonkovalyov> hah
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  735. # [06:27] <antonkovalyov> bigtext wizard is great
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  739. # [06:38] <tw2113> pull request sent
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  741. # [06:39] <paul_irish> uh oh.
  742. # [06:39] <paul_irish> tw2113: you should re-add that to index.html
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  744. # [06:41] <tw2113> got it
  745. # [06:42] <tw2113> i was going to say "for developers, the markup in this one is crap"
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  747. # [06:43] <paul_irish> heh
  748. # [06:46] <tw2113> just re-request?
  749. # [06:47] <tw2113> nope, looks like it detects the changes automatically after i pushed back to my copy of the fork
  750. # [06:47] <tw2113> sweet :D
  751. # [06:48] <tw2113> crap, forgot the closing li
  752. # [06:48] <thatryan> haha
  753. # [06:48] <thatryan> :p
  754. # [06:49] <tw2113> i'm a 2 beer bitch tonight D:
  755. # [06:50] <paul_irish> just re-req.
  756. # [06:50] <paul_irish> ah there it is.
  757. # [06:50] <paul_irish> nvm
  758. # [06:51] <tw2113> dynamic updating :D
  759. # [06:52] <tw2113> my first time forking
  760. # [06:54] <paul_irish> its merged.
  761. # [06:55] <thatryan> paul_irish: I thought I saw somewhere before but cant find it. docs on using the profling in boilerplate?
  762. # [06:55] <paul_irish> i deleted the profiling.
  763. # [06:55] <paul_irish> ?g yui profiling
  764. # [06:55] <bot-t> paul_irish, YUI 2: Profiler - http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/profiler/
  765. # [06:55] <paul_irish> docs ^
  766. # [06:56] <thatryan> deleted? ah guess i dont have the latest version then heh
  767. # [06:57] <paul_irish> nope
  768. # [06:57] * tw2113 makes off like an innocent bystandard in the night before he can get added to the contributor list in the index
  769. # [06:58] <thatryan> ah the github version says 0.95 so does the website
  770. # [07:00] <tw2113> mmm MDN
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  775. # [07:04] <paul_irish> thatryan: welllllll whats in github is NEW NEW
  776. # [07:04] <thatryan> lol I see that :) just grabbed it
  777. # [07:06] <tw2113> why do i picture that paul_irish reads through this file any time he needs to hulk up?
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  779. # [07:09] <tw2113> i wonder how easily i could block that site from google results at work :D
  780. # [07:09] <thatryan> paul_irish: why put the links to the favicon and apple-icon in index just to say delete the references? I never got that part
  781. # [07:10] <paul_irish> thatryan: where else would you put that.
  782. # [07:10] <thatryan> no, i mean why mention it
  783. # [07:10] <paul_irish> without looking tell me the name of the apple-icon file name
  784. # [07:10] <thatryan> apple-touch-icon.png
  785. # [07:11] <paul_irish> oh you dont want -precomposed ?
  786. # [07:11] <paul_irish> you know it wont work on android without that
  787. # [07:11] <paul_irish> the source is the primary documentation
  788. # [07:11] <paul_irish> so.. things get documented there.
  789. # [07:11] <thatryan> nope dont know what that means )
  790. # [07:11] <thatryan> :) ah ok i getcha
  791. # [07:12] <thatryan> I have not seen -precomposed before
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  793. # [07:15] <tw2113> heh, it already shows how to filter out, i just wish i could make it permanent
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  795. # [07:17] <paul_irish> wat
  796. # [07:18] <tw2113> i wish google offered a way to permanently filter out websites from your search results
  797. # [07:18] <tw2113> so i wouldn't have to tack on -w3schools each time
  798. # [07:19] <tw2113> i could live with having that tied to my google account...i'd add experts-exchange.com or whatever too
  799. # [07:22] <paul_irish> https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/eidhkmnbiahhgbgpjpiimdogfidfikgf?hl=en
  800. # [07:23] <techrush> i think those experts exchange pages have started losing their ranking in google pretty bad lately
  801. # [07:23] <techrush> their is also an organized effort to out SEO w3schools to get #1 in google for a lot of common stuff
  802. # [07:23] <paul_irish> it's not working.
  803. # [07:24] <paul_irish> FYI.
  804. # [07:24] <thatryan> links are not working yeah
  805. # [07:27] <tw2113> it takes a second, but they get removed, sweet :D
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  807. # [07:30] <tbranyen> asking here since css3 has one guy in it
  808. # [07:30] <tbranyen> is there no way to animate gradients using css3?
  809. # [07:31] <tw2113> i haven't heard anything about gradient animating
  810. # [07:34] <tbranyen> hmm best i can do is with js then
  811. # [07:42] <paul_irish> tbranyen: i dont believe so. i think there's a webkit ticket on it
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  813. # [07:43] <tbranyen> yeah not having much luck setting the gradient dynamically with js either
  814. # [07:44] <tbranyen> $("#content")[0].style["background"] = "-webkit-gradient(radial, 118 "+ evt.clientY +", 162, 100 44, 40, from(#0B256E), to(#102245), color-stop(.6,#252D70));";
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  841. # [09:01] <jochen__> paul_irish: uuuh, possible
  842. # [09:01] <paul_irish> jochen__: we're sharing Nico's buzz thread
  843. # [09:02] <paul_irish> :)
  844. # [09:04] <jochen__> yeah, we totally own it
  845. # [09:04] <jochen__> it's an easy way to get read by lots of people - post comments on nico's buzzes
  846. # [09:05] <paul_irish> hehe yeah for sure. him and evan's.
  847. # [09:05] <paul_irish> mandatory reading. :0
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  860. # [09:33] <antonkovalyov> NODEJS Y U SO HARD TO INSTALL
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  862. # [09:35] <ACTRAiSER> morning
  863. # [09:36] <sean`> sup antonkovalyov ?
  864. # [09:36] <antonkovalyov> i decided to experiment with rewriting our selenium tests using node.js+soda.js
  865. # [09:37] <sean`> cool
  866. # [09:37] <antonkovalyov> four hours, conversation with ryah in #node.js and a ticket on v8 bug tracker later i am still nowhere
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  868. # [09:40] <antonkovalyov> yesterday i decided to write some code to gather stats from our pages
  869. # [09:41] <antonkovalyov> and that resulted in http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/7945
  870. # [09:41] <antonkovalyov> something is wrong with a universe :-(
  871. # [09:41] <antonkovalyov> err
  872. # [09:41] <antonkovalyov> not a universe, our universe
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  880. # [09:59] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: okay maybe you were right. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/FaultMaps/122-37.html
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  882. # [10:00] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, oh wait it already happened?
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  884. # [10:00] <antonkovalyov> not here
  885. # [10:00] <antonkovalyov> good
  886. # [10:00] <antonkovalyov> :)
  887. # [10:01] <antonkovalyov> i did not know that berkeley is on a fucking fault zone
  888. # [10:01] <antonkovalyov> i suck at picking places to live
  889. # [10:02] <paul_irish> hahahah
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  893. # [10:02] <paul_irish> i dont think it's easy to miss a fault zone in this area.
  894. # [10:03] <antonkovalyov> yeah
  895. # [10:03] <antonkovalyov> san jose
  896. # [10:03] <antonkovalyov> but nobody lives there, boring
  897. # [10:04] <alrra> ?time san francisco
  898. # [10:04] <bot-t> alrra, San Francisco, CA - Time: 1:00am Wednesday (PST), Weather: Cloudy, 9C / 48F
  899. # [10:04] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, by the way i really love that email from google (don't know if you heard about it) saying "hey heads up, this email is to tell you that tomorrow we will email you again about the conference "
  900. # [10:06] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: nowhere does that email say google on it
  901. # [10:06] <paul_irish> oh shit. it says it in ONE TINY LITTLE SPOT
  902. # [10:06] <antonkovalyov> :-D
  903. # [10:06] <antonkovalyov> if something is at google headquarters
  904. # [10:06] <paul_irish> its not from google
  905. # [10:06] <antonkovalyov> i assume it is from gooel
  906. # [10:06] <antonkovalyov> google*
  907. # [10:06] <antonkovalyov> sorrrry
  908. # [10:06] <juha_> nice, it's +9c there, it's -9000c here
  909. # [10:06] <paul_irish> a lot of GTUG meetings and other shit is hosted at google headquarters
  910. # [10:07] <paul_irish> @1marc asked to do his conf there.
  911. # [10:07] <paul_irish> they said yes
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  914. # [10:08] <antonkovalyov> sorry i pissed you off, paul_irish :)
  915. # [10:08] <paul_irish> WHAT THE EFF ANTON
  916. # [10:08] <antonkovalyov> i am a member of EFF, wtf paul_irish
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  918. # [10:16] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, how your car story worked out?
  919. # [10:16] <antonkovalyov> they never called?
  920. # [10:17] <paul_irish> the car was back this morning
  921. # [10:18] <paul_irish> i guess its ok
  922. # [10:18] <antonkovalyov> good
  923. # [10:19] <mikew3c> I think paul_irish was using it under his other personality, to do some fight club in the after hours
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  934. # [10:37] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: hey :)
  935. # [10:37] <paul_irish> what is it????
  936. # [10:37] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: hey
  937. # [10:38] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: It's not going to be in competition with the boilerplate
  938. # [10:38] <paul_irish> but what isssss it
  939. # [10:38] <craigbarnes> It's just a concept at the moment
  940. # [10:38] <paul_irish> o_O
  941. # [10:39] <craigbarnes> I'm working on a static site generator
  942. # [10:39] <craigbarnes> the HTML5 is just for buzzword compliance
  943. # [10:39] <paul_irish> SMART MOVE
  944. # [10:39] <paul_irish> :D
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  946. # [10:39] <craigbarnes> but the default template will be the boilerplate
  947. # [10:40] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: did you see the generator we just added to the -site repo?
  948. # [10:40] <craigbarnes> Yeah I took a quick look
  949. # [10:40] <craigbarnes> Nice idea
  950. # [10:40] <craigbarnes> It's a little.....
  951. # [10:40] <craigbarnes> over engineered....
  952. # [10:40] <craigbarnes> lol
  953. # [10:40] <paul_irish> messy.. written by a noob....
  954. # [10:41] <craigbarnes> I don't dig the database
  955. # [10:41] <craigbarnes> doesn't mix with GitHub very well
  956. # [10:42] <paul_irish> not at all.
  957. # [10:42] <paul_irish> welll
  958. # [10:42] <craigbarnes> I fallen out of love with databases
  959. # [10:42] <craigbarnes> and in love with GitHub :P
  960. # [10:42] <paul_irish> i guess we'll iterate on its smellyness
  961. # [10:42] <paul_irish> and watch what you're doing.
  962. # [10:43] <paul_irish> but we definitely want to have a builder for boilerplate.. so if we can find a way to make your shit work as that.
  963. # [10:43] <craigbarnes> I tried something similar a while back
  964. # [10:43] <paul_irish> we might start stealing it
  965. # [10:43] <paul_irish> god.. okay i gotta go to sleep
  966. # [10:44] <craigbarnes> okay, sleep well
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  970. # [10:58] <mikew3c> for anybody in Boston area, way cool course this week at MIT
  971. # [10:58] <mikew3c> https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jgoulie
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  973. # [10:58] <mikew3c> dunno if it's open/free or what
  974. # [10:59] <mikew3c> but some big guns
  975. # [10:59] <mikew3c> Boris Zbarsky, Dave Herman, Chris Heilmann, more
  976. # [11:04] <paul_irish> shit. today was boris.
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  1045. # [14:30] <Radi> good day
  1046. # [14:30] <Radi> can anyone give me a clue what is the easiest way to create a nav or sidebar with html5 ?
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  1054. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> Radi, <nav>...</nav> and <aside>...</aside>
  1055. # [15:01] <Radi> Ms2ger, so all i have to do is to put the list into nav and aside tags ?
  1056. # [15:01] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  1057. # [15:01] <Ms2ger> That's what they're for
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  1059. # [15:01] <Radi> great, thanks
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  1073. # [15:34] <felcom> should the placeholder attribute replace a <label> or is it still better to have both?
  1074. # [15:35] <mikew3c> felcom: they have different purposes
  1075. # [15:35] <mikew3c> either or neither or both depending on what you're doing
  1076. # [15:35] <mikew3c> I guess
  1077. # [15:36] <felcom> ok so for example a login form
  1078. # [15:36] <felcom> i guess my question is what are their individual purposes then
  1079. # [15:37] <felcom> it just feels wrong abandoning the labels
  1080. # [15:37] <mikew3c> for some cases, the placeholder can be some kind of hint about what the microsyntax of a particular field shouldbe
  1081. # [15:38] <felcom> oh ok that makes more sense
  1082. # [15:38] <felcom> so a label would be 'email:' and placeholder would be 'email@example.com'
  1083. # [15:38] <mikew3c> e.g., if it's a username field but the username takes the form of an e-mail address, it can show and e-mail address
  1084. # [15:38] <mikew3c> yeah
  1085. # [15:38] <felcom> gotcha
  1086. # [15:38] <mikew3c> like that
  1087. # [15:39] <felcom> so really, if theres no extra explanation necessary there shouldn't be a need for any placeholder
  1088. # [15:39] <Ms2ger> Right
  1089. # [15:39] <felcom> cool thanks!
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  1096. # [15:47] <mkwst> It's also important to note that the placeholder is generally not read out by assistive software.
  1097. # [15:47] <mkwst> screen readers will read the label when you focus on a form element.
  1098. # [15:47] <mkwst> they generally ignore the placeholder at the moment.
  1099. # [15:47] <lukegalea> hi everyone! I'm trying to use a cache-manifest just to cache jquery, jquery-mobile, images, etc.. and keep all html served remotely. It seems like any page that references the manifest file is automatically cached regardless of the "NETWORK" option in the manifest. Is that the general consensus? Is there no way around this?
  1100. # [15:47] <felcom> ok thats what I was thinking, and why I was uneasy about skipping labels
  1101. # [15:47] <mkwst> that will eventually change, i suspect, but please don't leave off labels.
  1102. # [15:47] <felcom> i wont =)
  1103. # [15:48] <mkwst> :)
  1104. # [15:48] <tw2113> do both...labels and placeholders
  1105. # [15:48] <tw2113> you'll have well formed forms
  1106. # [15:48] <mkwst> do both _if you need to_. :)
  1107. # [15:49] <mkwst> lukegalea: according to a note in the spec "Authors are encouraged to include the main page in the manifest also, but in practice the page that referenced the manifest is automatically cached even if it isn't explicitly mentioned."
  1108. # [15:49] <mkwst> right at the end of http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/offline.html#introduction-3
  1109. # [15:50] <mkwst> it's debatable whether or not that's a bug.
  1110. # [15:51] <lukegalea> hmm.. that's difficult.. I'm trying to use it as a work around for the cache limits on iphones... if I can use a cache manifest to store large js, etc taht would be a big help.
  1111. # [15:53] <lukegalea> mkwst: thanks though ;)
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  1127. # [16:10] <tw2113> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/the-daily-show-reacts-to-verizon-iphone-jon-stewart-gets-a-litt/
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  1130. # [16:13] <grantg_> still cold outside. :|
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  1137. # [16:17] <tw2113> according to my mac widget, it's -6F here
  1138. # [16:18] <tw2113> and that'd be without wind
  1139. # [16:18] <grantgalitz> 56 F here
  1140. # [16:19] <grantgalitz> Americans trolling Europeans on this channel FTW.
  1141. # [16:19] <mduncan> got 2ft of snow here last night and still coming down .. no joke
  1142. # [16:20] <mduncan> (connecticut)
  1143. # [16:22] <tw2113> this is a normal winter for me
  1144. # [16:22] <tw2113> the southern states may be learning what snow looks like though
  1145. # [16:23] <grantgalitz> Florida bitches!
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  1178. # [17:21] <paul_irish> Michael: v
  1179. # [17:21] <paul_irish> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5734&to=5735
  1180. # [17:22] <danielfilho> paul_irish: check your pvt msg :D
  1181. # [17:24] <paul_irish> danielfilho: fuhgeddaboutit
  1182. # [17:24] <danielfilho> ?
  1183. # [17:24] <paul_irish> nevermind about that
  1184. # [17:24] <danielfilho> just wanna know what was. i'm a curious guy. hahah
  1185. # [17:24] <danielfilho> but ok.
  1186. # [17:25] <tw2113> i should look into installing those mac updates....that way i could have access to the app store that i wouldn't use
  1187. # [17:25] <tw2113> except for the free apps
  1188. # [17:26] <danielfilho> haha, mee too.
  1189. # [17:27] <thatryan> morning guys :)
  1190. # [17:27] <danielfilho> i just got twitter, mindnode, chopper2(bought) and sketchboxexpress
  1191. # [17:27] <danielfilho> thatryan: hey :D
  1192. # [17:27] <tw2113> well, there's the reason why it smelled a bit in here, thatryan is here, and you know he's the poo
  1193. # [17:27] <thatryan> POOO
  1194. # [17:27] <thatryan> :D
  1195. # [17:27] <danielfilho> poo?
  1196. # [17:27] <danielfilho> eewl.
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  1198. # [17:27] <thatryan> indeed
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  1200. # [17:33] <tw2113> what about that antonkovalyov guy?
  1201. # [17:33] <tw2113> ah crap, he's here
  1202. # [17:33] <tw2113> remember, i didn't mean a thing i said people
  1203. # [17:33] <thatryan> you meant it all!
  1204. # [17:33] <tw2113> lies! i tell you! bloody hooker lies!
  1205. # [17:33] <thatryan> lol the worst kind
  1206. # [17:34] <antonkovalyov> morning :)
  1207. # [17:34] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: mornin'
  1208. # [17:34] <antonkovalyov> why the hell it is so freezing
  1209. # [17:34] <thatryan> you needz more coffee!
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  1213. # [17:36] <tw2113> coffee makes the world a better place, and your innards like a fireplace
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  1215. # [17:36] <thatryan> poetic
  1216. # [17:36] <tw2113> if i go bye bye soon, it's just the mac update restarting me
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  1218. # [17:40] <antonkovalyov> tell me that
  1219. # [17:41] <antonkovalyov> i have little blood in my coffee stream inside of my body
  1220. # [17:41] <antonkovalyov> kk, time to go to work. see you all later.
  1221. # [17:41] <thatryan> see ya
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  1223. # [17:43] <antonkovalyov> btw, thatryan i am still alive, no earthquake :)
  1224. # [17:43] <antonkovalyov> there was a small one somewhere down south
  1225. # [17:43] <thatryan> lol way to go! knew you'd survive :D
  1226. # [17:44] <mduncan> wierd, laptops in my house are showing https crossed out in red in chrome, but pc is fine .. this is on all https sites, gmail, banks, etc
  1227. # [17:44] <mduncan> wireless timestamp funk perhaps?
  1228. # [17:45] <mikesusz> maybe chrome is dropping support for ssl certificates also
  1229. # [17:46] <mduncan> ha
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  1239. # [17:53] <tw2113> http://tpdsaa.tumblr.com/
  1240. # [17:54] <tw2113> i like this one best http://tpdsaa.tumblr.com/post/2640097130
  1241. # [18:03] <danielfilho> just created a shopping function here, that maks a thing that I call shoppingLayer.
  1242. # [18:03] <danielfilho> is and ad space on the page.
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  1244. # [18:03] <danielfilho> the function is shoppingLayer()
  1245. # [18:03] <danielfilho> the file will be called slayer.min.js
  1246. # [18:03] <danielfilho> \o/
  1247. # [18:03] <danielfilho> lml
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  1249. # [18:04] <mikesusz> layers? netscape4!
  1250. # [18:04] <danielfilho> HAHAHA lulz
  1251. # [18:04] <danielfilho> not THAT layers :D
  1252. # [18:04] <tw2113> cool, somehow i acquired $10 credit with my landlord, so I get to take that off my next rent check
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  1254. # [18:05] <tw2113> i like how Alex Sexton did some poker based js library and named it gaga.js
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  1257. # [18:06] <ben_c> haha
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  1259. # [18:07] <danielfilho> tw2113: creative! :D
  1260. # [18:07] <thatryan> ever used sass and comass?
  1261. # [18:07] <danielfilho> but i'm really in love with my slayer.js
  1262. # [18:08] <danielfilho> will use my slayer sneakers tomorrow, when presenting it :D
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  1266. # [18:13] <tw2113> ooh good idea....browse Apple App Store...go download native versions instead of the ones in the store
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  1271. # [18:18] <Michael> paul_irish
  1272. # [18:18] <paul_irish> >:|
  1273. # [18:18] <Michael> v?
  1274. # [18:18] <Michael> Sorry I'm training 2 noobs.
  1275. # [18:19] <paul_irish> look at the link under it
  1276. # [18:19] <Michael> Oh wow
  1277. # [18:19] <Michael> So no more undo manager
  1278. # [18:19] <paul_irish> only in w3c spec. still in whatwg spec
  1279. # [18:19] <paul_irish> :)
  1280. # [18:19] <Michael> Oh, okay.
  1281. # [18:19] <Michael> I still don't see a huge purpose for it. It can be pretty easily implemented in JS
  1282. # [18:21] <tw2113> i must admit, i'm impressed by google goggles' ability to solve sudoku puzzles
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  1284. # [18:21] <tw2113> it got me into the 1 percentile on an "evil" level puzzle
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  1300. # [18:52] <danielfilho> tw2113: google goggles solves puzzles?
  1301. # [18:52] <danielfilho> wow.
  1302. # [18:52] <tw2113> yeah
  1303. # [18:52] <tw2113> just scan the puzzle, double check that it got all the numbers in there
  1304. # [18:53] <danielfilho> need to confess something. my huge frustration in life is NEVER had solved a rubik's cube.
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  1306. # [18:53] <felcom> remove and replace stickers
  1307. # [18:53] <felcom> imo
  1308. # [18:53] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
  1309. # [18:53] <danielfilho> good.
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  1312. # [18:53] <tw2113> damn buttons
  1313. # [18:53] <danielfilho> tw2113: you don't need to quit just because I dont know to solve the cube, bro
  1314. # [18:53] <danielfilho> :D
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  1316. # [18:54] <tw2113> i can't either
  1317. # [18:54] <tw2113> my brother can though
  1318. # [18:54] <noxxten> i can :D
  1319. # [18:54] <noxxten> with a hammer and some superglue...
  1320. # [18:54] <danielfilho> everyone can. in the world. EVERYONE but me.
  1321. # [18:54] <tw2113> they can be frustrating enough to make you want to quit life too
  1322. # [18:55] <danielfilho> i'll take a picture of the desk of the guy who seats beside me
  1323. # [18:55] <danielfilho> 1 sec
  1324. # [18:55] <noxxten> at the end you're just like "I SOLVED IT!......now what was the entire point of this?!"
  1325. # [18:55] <danielfilho> to say that you've solved
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  1327. # [18:57] <noxxten> lol
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  1329. # [18:58] <tw2113> mmm buy one get one free burrito from taco johns
  1330. # [18:59] <danielfilho> http://cl.ly/0h39221M1S3J2J44082H
  1331. # [18:59] <danielfilho> he solves any of this in less than 1.5 minutes.
  1332. # [19:00] <danielfilho> and i hate him for this.
  1333. # [19:00] <tw2113> i'd like to think i could handle the 2x2
  1334. # [19:00] <daleharvey> ugh dumb question but in a rush, how to I start chrome with webgl on osx, I know --enable-webgl but dunno where the exe is
  1335. # [19:01] <paul_irish> daleharvey: get the chrome beta or dev channel
  1336. # [19:01] <paul_irish> also... see ?g kronos wiki webgl browser
  1337. # [19:01] <bot-t> paul_irish, Getting a WebGL Implementation - WebGL Public Wiki - http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation
  1338. # [19:02] <tw2113> cool #css has a bot command against w3schools
  1339. # [19:02] <daleharvey> yeh I am on the beta channel, but they disabled it by default again recently
  1340. # [19:03] <danielfilho> it's the same as the 3x3, tw2113
  1341. # [19:03] <paul_irish> realllly
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  1343. # [19:03] <paul_irish> daleharvey: werid
  1344. # [19:03] <paul_irish> daleharvey: also you're active on HN right?
  1345. # [19:03] <paul_irish> hi!
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  1349. # [19:05] <paul_irish> "Great work on the HTML5 Boilerplate. I was wondering what your thoughts would be on someone maintaining an XHTML 1.0 validating project in parity with with your current releases."
  1350. # [19:06] <daleharvey> yup, got here via your twitter as well
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  1355. # [19:13] <antonkovalyov> yes! https://twitter.com/cgcardona/status/25240506405494784
  1356. # [19:13] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/gOXtjs @cgcardona -- RT @sundarpichai: @bryantdunivan Yes we will have another batch that will ship out this month. Should be an exciting few months ahead.
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  1359. # [19:17] <tw2113> cgcardona, don't you know anything about Apple....if it doesn't have a $ next to it, it's not THAT important
  1360. # [19:17] <cgcardona> i guess not
  1361. # [19:18] <cgcardona> i am wondering what this means for the future of the mac
  1362. # [19:18] <tw2113> given the cult of mac....not much
  1363. # [19:18] <cgcardona> i disagree
  1364. # [19:18] <cgcardona> most developers I know use macs
  1365. # [19:19] <cgcardona> on this progression what happens if in a couple of years you can't run GPL on your mac (super doubtful I know)
  1366. # [19:19] <cgcardona> just thinkin
  1367. # [19:19] <tw2113> doesn't mean that the Apple-run stores have to play along perfectly
  1368. # [19:19] <danielfilho> i love scrum, but i hate scrum rats.
  1369. # [19:20] <tw2113> they've already removed VLC from the iphone stuff i believe
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  1371. # [19:20] <danielfilho> ppl with dinosaur arms
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  1376. # [19:21] <daleharvey> ahhh
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  1379. # [19:23] <cgcardona> has anyone put anything in the chrome app store?
  1380. # [19:23] <cgcardona> i have been reading conflicting reports of the success levels
  1381. # [19:23] <cgcardona> or I have just been reading stories about apps from the head and apps from the tail
  1382. # [19:23] <tw2113> i lack apps
  1383. # [19:25] <tw2113> the more i read about this arizona shooter person, the more i think he was a complete moron who got lucky in his task
  1384. # [19:25] <tw2113> also, this is classic "Oulda Sisters (Shoulda, Coulda and Woulda)". completely unrelated to the arizona stuff
  1385. # [19:26] <cgcardona> I created one app just to try it out https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/apfdpmecfcnnppoifngcmigbhjffofae
  1386. # [19:26] <cgcardona> but this was before the chrome app store
  1387. # [19:26] <paul_irish> TWO STARS
  1388. # [19:26] <paul_irish> sucks.
  1389. # [19:26] <cgcardona> this was about 6 months ago
  1390. # [19:26] <cgcardona> :p
  1391. # [19:26] <cgcardona> i'm surprised that it has even 2 stars
  1392. # [19:27] <paul_irish> left you a comment :)
  1393. # [19:27] <paul_irish> or a review, rather.
  1394. # [19:28] <cgcardona> 1+1 isn't 2?
  1395. # [19:28] <tw2113> no, it's 11
  1396. # [19:29] <Michael> Is there a droid app that lets you control powerpoint via bluetooth?
  1397. # [19:29] <Michael> Having a heck of a time searching
  1398. # [19:29] <paul_irish> 1+1 is 10, bro
  1399. # [19:29] <Michael> +1 is 100
  1400. # [19:29] <Michael> er
  1401. # [19:29] <Michael> 011
  1402. # [19:29] <Michael> N/M
  1403. # [19:30] <Michael> paul_irish, Do you know of any blue-tooth remote control apps for droid?
  1404. # [19:30] <paul_irish> i dont know android too well
  1405. # [19:30] <Michael> ah np
  1406. # [19:31] <Michael> Everyone one I see is wifi
  1407. # [19:31] <Michael> but our powerpoint is on a vpn
  1408. # [19:34] <cgcardona> I'm still unclear what you mean by your comment paul_irish :-/
  1409. # [19:35] <paul_irish> its a binary joke.
  1410. # [19:35] <cgcardona> right
  1411. # [19:35] <cgcardona> i get that part
  1412. # [19:35] <cgcardona> but did i have it on the page somewhere?
  1413. # [19:35] <paul_irish> nope
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  1416. # [19:36] <paul_irish> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/12/ketchup-dispensing-m.html
  1417. # [19:37] <tw2113> ha! "Things are so bad with the dollar, Ke$ha is now spelling her name with the pound symbol."
  1418. # [19:37] <cgcardona> that is epic
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  1420. # [19:38] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, haha, i just pasted the same tweet in our corp irc :)
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  1422. # [19:38] <tw2113> :D
  1423. # [19:39] <tw2113> "Instead Google is throwing its hat in with Firefox and Opera, choosing to support the open, royalty-free WebM codec."
  1424. # [19:39] <tw2113> except the fact that Google is the one that bought and released the webm codec
  1425. # [19:39] <tw2113> unless i'm mistaken somehow
  1426. # [19:41] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, it does not mean that the codec is any less open or royalte-free just because google bought and released it
  1427. # [19:42] <tw2113> yeah, i'm not saying that
  1428. # [19:42] <tw2113> but i just figure it'd be an obvious thing they'd support
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  1430. # [19:43] <antonkovalyov> oh yeah
  1431. # [19:43] <Ms2ger> There's support and support here ;)
  1432. # [19:43] <tw2113> how lovely
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  1434. # [19:43] <tw2113> make a tweet about coke and pepsi, which was response to Dave Shea talking about video codec battles being like coke and pepsi
  1435. # [19:43] <tw2113> and i get this reply from spam
  1436. # [19:44] <tw2113> "XTREME WEIGHT LOSS SYSTEM FREE TRIAL HERE http://bit.ly/e8F6RN @tw2113 = @replies@mezzoblue pepsi is better, diet coke for the diet ones"
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  1438. # [19:44] <antonkovalyov> btw, i find it funny that people seem to be forgetting that apple is h264 patent holders. of course they have absolutely no problems with it, but not everybody is apple (fortunately)
  1439. # [19:45] <antonkovalyov> is among*
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  1442. # [19:48] <tw2113> antonkovalyov, this is perfect for this convo
  1443. # [19:48] <tw2113> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24374884@N08/5349656086/
  1444. # [19:48] <tw2113> good ole @brucel
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  1447. # [19:55] <alcuadrado> antonkovalyov, apple only holds parts of the patents of h264
  1448. # [19:55] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, awesome, tweeting :)
  1449. # [19:55] <alcuadrado> I think even m$ holds some
  1450. # [19:55] <antonkovalyov> alcuadrado, but based on those parts they can negotiate. and the rest of the world is pretty much screwed
  1451. # [19:55] <alcuadrado> yeah, of course :P
  1452. # [19:55] <alcuadrado> nice pic tw2113
  1453. # [19:56] <tw2113> we're only screwed as long as we use the codecs
  1454. # [19:56] <tw2113> IE6 is around only as long as people support it
  1455. # [19:57] <snover> We’re all screwed; H.264 might be patented but it’s also the superior technology
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  1457. # [19:58] <snover> Software patents: everyone loses
  1458. # [19:58] <snover> If you use them, you lose; if you don’t use them, you lose
  1459. # [19:59] <snover> If you’ve never heard of patents before and just want to watch some TV online, you lose
  1460. # [19:59] <Ms2ger> It isn't as superior as you make it out to be
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  1463. # [20:01] <snover> It’s faster and it generates superior image quality for a given bitrate
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  1465. # [20:02] <snover> Google could have introduced WebM and let people fiddle with it the bitstream for a while to improve these things, but they came out with a frozen bitstream format
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  1470. # [20:06] <cgcardona> why do you think they released it that way?
  1471. # [20:07] <tw2113> ooh http://creative.mozilla.org/challenges/8
  1472. # [20:08] <tw2113> another ooh...you can request the logo in svg format
  1473. # [20:08] <snover> cgcardona: So that people could start implementing it immediately
  1474. # [20:08] <Moo--> does anyone know html5 based ebooks or ebook readers?
  1475. # [20:10] <tw2113> i wonder if they release the shirt with the browser launch, or after
  1476. # [20:10] <tw2113> if it's in conjunction, then it looks like march before FF4 official
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  1478. # [20:11] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, registration for the dayofjs is not open yet, is it?
  1479. # [20:11] <antonkovalyov> or am i just failing at finding the link?
  1480. # [20:11] <thatryan> opens tomorrow it looks like
  1481. # [20:11] <antonkovalyov> they sent an email saying that it will open today :)
  1482. # [20:12] <antonkovalyov> i thought google organizes it and pissed of paul_irish :P
  1483. # [20:12] <antonkovalyov> off*
  1484. # [20:12] <thatryan> ahh lol
  1485. # [20:12] <paul_irish> >:|
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  1488. # [20:16] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
  1489. # [20:16] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, i thought you're already following me
  1490. # [20:16] <antonkovalyov> why are you doing that again?
  1491. # [20:16] <paul_irish> ouch burn.
  1492. # [20:17] <paul_irish> o. nvm
  1493. # [20:17] <thatryan> dunno? lol guess I was not?
  1494. # [20:17] <antonkovalyov> how could you...
  1495. # [20:17] <thatryan> i fail regularly ;)
  1496. # [20:17] * tw2113 puts on his flood waders
  1497. # [20:17] <tw2113> his middle name is fail?
  1498. # [20:18] <tw2113> ryan fail olson?
  1499. # [20:18] <thatryan> lol that would suck
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  1506. # [20:36] <paul_irish> time to unfollow more people.
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  1511. # [20:40] <danielfilho> been on the candy store and saw a mint called "Oral Fixation"
  1512. # [20:40] <danielfilho> WTF
  1513. # [20:42] <danielfilho> http://cl.ly/38081d0C311x3d233E1F
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  1526. # [21:01] <paul_irish> http://blog.mozilla.com/devtools/2011/01/12/devtools-addons-framerate-monitor-workspace/
  1527. # [21:03] <tw2113> cool
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  1534. # [21:11] <dgathright> Microsoft, just stick to writing software, your jokes aren't that funny. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tims/archive/2011/01/11/an-open-letter-from-the-president-of-the-united-states-of-google.aspx
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  1536. # [21:13] <Pewpewarrows> dgathright: their jokes are about as good as the software they write
  1537. # [21:13] <dgathright> zing!
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  1539. # [21:21] <Michael> Do you guys know of any stereoscopic WebGL demos?
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  1558. # [21:48] <danielfilho> how could metallica becomes this shit. damn.
  1559. # [21:50] <danielfilho> dgathright: I don't know what's worst. metallica or this shit-letter.
  1560. # [21:50] <danielfilho> from ms.
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  1562. # [21:56] <dgathright> Correct answer is C) Nickleback
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  1564. # [21:58] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
  1565. # [21:58] <danielfilho> awesome
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  1572. # [22:12] <iamdanw> http://bieber.ly/ HTML5 COMPLIANT
  1573. # [22:15] <tw2113> why do i get the feeling that has boilerplate
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  1575. # [22:18] <paul_irish> :D
  1576. # [22:20] <paul_irish> peol: nice.
  1577. # [22:20] <paul_irish> iamdanw: good spot.
  1578. # [22:21] <peol> paul_irish: I doubt that'll bring any new visitors though with my mere 300-ish followers :)
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  1580. # [22:21] <paul_irish> peol: -1 so far.
  1581. # [22:22] <peol> paul_irish: I'm just hoping we're breaking even :)
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  1583. # [22:23] <peol> 0!
  1584. # [22:29] <antonkovalyov> does anybody know how ga.js was minified? i see a very interesting trick here
  1585. # [22:30] <antonkovalyov> they obfuscate even standard methods like toString
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  1588. # [22:34] <jus101> antonkovalyov: maybe closure compiler?
  1589. # [22:35] <antonkovalyov> jus101, i need to try it again, i don't remember seeing anything in docs about that
  1590. # [22:37] <paul_irish> lemme get you the twitter of the guy
  1591. # [22:37] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, who works on ga.js?
  1592. # [22:38] <paul_irish> mmhmm
  1593. # [22:38] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/briankuhn
  1594. # [22:38] <antonkovalyov> dude, you're awesome!
  1595. # [22:38] <paul_irish> ;)
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  1597. # [22:40] <tw2113> stop stroking irish's ego
  1598. # [22:40] <tw2113> :D
  1599. # [22:41] <paul_irish> tw2113: remind me to tell you to stop drooling next time christian comes in here
  1600. # [22:41] <tw2113> i already wrote that on my forehead
  1601. # [22:42] <tw2113> besides, considering moving onto Bruce next
  1602. # [22:43] <trave> I've implemented a CANVAS drawing tool, thats working great in firefox and chrome, but not in IE... (using a conditional load of excanvas.min.js for 8 and below..) anyone familiar with any specific 2d context methods that do not work through excanvas? Im using like drawImage and clearRect..
  1603. # [22:44] <tw2113> other than that, well played paul
  1604. # [22:45] <paul_irish> omg enough stroking my ego already. :p
  1605. # [22:45] <tw2113> :D
  1606. # [22:45] <paul_irish> trave: try out flashcanvas instead of excanvas
  1607. # [22:45] <paul_irish> it's faster and more compatible.
  1608. # [22:46] <trave> googlin, thanks!
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  1619. # [23:01] <danielfilho> does google have an option like "consider only and all words I type"
  1620. # [23:01] <danielfilho> ?
  1621. # [23:02] <danielfilho> it could be an * on the beginning of the string :~
  1622. # [23:02] <jjcollins> there should be
  1623. # [23:02] <jjcollins> theres a guide floating around on different things to add to your search queries in google for better results
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  1625. # [23:03] <jjcollins> http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=136861 maybe?
  1626. # [23:05] <jjcollins> would it be a bad idea to look at breifs from 99designs.com to get ideas for faux websites to create as a show of skill? I'm building a new portfolio and I'm in need of website ideas :p.
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  1631. # [23:08] <paul_irish> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/commit/4b67ea5cab
  1632. # [23:08] <paul_irish> this is some pretty esoteric html markup trivia but... you might find it interesting
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  1635. # [23:09] <tw2113> save the kittens!
  1636. # [23:09] <trave> heh, yay for kitten safety
  1637. # [23:10] <tw2113> or in the words of Jerry "The King" Lawler.....PUPPIES!
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  1641. # [23:17] <paul_irish> ho shit.. http://htmlify.info/ got an upgrade
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  1643. # [23:20] <trave> sweet man, thats awesome youve got it doing a generator now, last time i checked out the boilerplate, it felt overwhelming, being able to specify your level of browser support is freakin rad.
  1644. # [23:20] <paul_irish> yeah that seems to be the opnion on the street.
  1645. # [23:20] <trave> good work
  1646. # [23:21] <paul_irish> some other guy did all that.. Ryan Johnson.
  1647. # [23:21] <paul_irish> but we're gonna integrate it soonly
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  1650. # [23:21] <ben_c> guys what do you think about this.. Airplay in mobile safari requires an opt in:
  1651. # [23:21] <ben_c> <video controls width=640 height=368 x-webkit-airplay=allow src=content/side_with_the_seeds.mov> </video>
  1652. # [23:22] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, +1 for using disqus :)
  1653. # [23:22] <ben_c> just reading through the iOS 4.3 beta release notes
  1654. # [23:22] <trave> I got a few lines of: copy(template/js/libs/dd_belatedpng.js) [function.copy]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/htmlify/public_html/generate.php on line
  1655. # [23:22] <paul_irish> disqus is good times.
  1656. # [23:23] <trave> and other files it "failed to open stream" for.
  1657. # [23:23] <paul_irish> trave: yeah i think he's developing it *right now&
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  1659. # [23:23] <paul_irish> and doesnt know how to develop not on a production server..
  1660. # [23:23] <trave> template/.htaccess, template/js/libs/jquery-1.4.4.min.js, template/js/libs/jquery-1.4.4.js :]
  1661. # [23:23] <paul_irish> ben_c: whats airplay do
  1662. # [23:24] <ben_c> it streams web video / audio to an Apple TV from iOS
  1663. # [23:24] <paul_irish> cooooool
  1664. # [23:25] <paul_irish> but now evvvveryone's gonna put that in their video markup
  1665. # [23:25] <ben_c> but on video tags it only sends audio unless you opt in
  1666. # [23:25] <ben_c> it's icky!
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  1668. # [23:25] <paul_irish> sucky.
  1669. # [23:25] <ben_c> I'm going to try and make a bookmarklet that drops it in for sites that don't have it
  1670. # [23:26] <ben_c> *but* that depends when they check if it should be enabled
  1671. # [23:27] <paul_irish> ben_c: make a chrome extension
  1672. # [23:28] <paul_irish> you can use your same bookmarklet code. just do it as a userscript
  1673. # [23:28] <ben_c> can you get chrome on iOS :P
  1674. # [23:28] <trave> chrome extensions rock. i cant believe how easy they made it
  1675. # [23:29] <paul_irish> oh right... it has to be on the iOS browser.
  1676. # [23:29] <paul_irish> :x
  1677. # [23:30] <ben_c> for now at least!
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  1679. # [23:30] <ben_c> Reckon a jQuery plugin could be a nicer way of enabling support on your sites instead of ickfiy the video tag?
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  1681. # [23:33] <jamesarosen> what the heck are the three elements of a "sources" element? how do you calculate what options are available for the "status" source?
  1682. # [23:33] <jamesarosen> rar, wrong room
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  1692. # [23:38] <tw2113> i wish the "what's new" page for Firefox4beta would stop showing up whenever I open the browser
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  1696. # [23:42] <tw2113> nevermind, deleted a value from about:config
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  1698. # [23:43] <paul_irish> i wish that wasnt a default.
  1699. # [23:43] <paul_irish> tw2113: what is the setting
  1700. # [23:43] <skyler_brungardt> Might be worth a blog post somewhere
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  1703. # [23:44] <tw2113> i think i just filtered for the word "new"
  1704. # [23:44] <tw2113> startup.homepage_override_url
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