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  1. # Session Start: Sun Jan 23 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  4. # [00:01] <phillipadsmith> ah, looks like data-vocabulary.org might be Google, yah?
  5. # [00:01] <nimbupani> it is google
  6. # [00:01] <tw2113> *shrugs*
  7. # [00:01] <nimbupani> ?g google microdata, rdfa
  8. # [00:02] <nimbupani> OH SHI
  9. # [00:02] <tw2113> T
  10. # [00:02] <tw2113> no worries nimbupani i got that typo for you
  11. # [00:02] <nimbupani> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=176035
  12. # [00:03] <paul_irish> ^
  13. # [00:03] <antonkovalyov> the world without bot-t is lame
  14. # [00:03] <nimbupani> the world without botty is no world at all
  15. # [00:03] * nimbupani is in mourning
  16. # [00:04] <phillipadsmith> Okay, so data-vocabulary is Google and those are "microdata" vs. microformats. Any preference in the HTML5 community?
  17. # [00:04] <nimbupani> microdata for me
  18. # [00:04] <nimbupani> you can use microformats in microdata too
  19. # [00:04] <phillipadsmith> (sorry if I'm asking redundant, bot-worthy, questions -- just trying to get my head around the "best practices" that people are actually using.
  20. # [00:04] <tw2113> i probably mix the two
  21. # [00:05] <nimbupani> http://html5doctor.com/microdata/
  22. # [00:05] <tw2113> microformats + the html5 stuff coming in
  23. # [00:05] <nimbupani> mmost authoritative
  24. # [00:05] <nimbupani> ^
  25. # [00:05] <phillipadsmith> nimbupani +1 (thanks)
  26. # [00:05] <phillipadsmith> just what I was looking for...
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  28. # [00:09] <tw2113> doh, firefox doesn't sync addons
  29. # [00:10] <tw2113> phillipadsmith do you use firefox?
  30. # [00:10] <phillipadsmith> tw2113: sometimes, yes.
  31. # [00:10] * phillipadsmith prefers Lynx.
  32. # [00:10] <tw2113> might not hurt to check out he operator addon
  33. # [00:10] <phillipadsmith> j/k
  34. # [00:11] <phillipadsmith> tw2113: ah, cool. Good suggestion...
  35. # [00:11] <phillipadsmith> Oh... nice. :)
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  38. # [00:14] <phillipadsmith> Is it pretty confusing, however. From the html5doctor site, it certainly makes it seem like microdata and microformats are competitng / overlapping standards.
  39. # [00:15] * phillipadsmith reads http://blog.foolip.org/2009/08/23/microformats-vs-rdfa-vs-microdata/
  40. # [00:16] <tw2113> i'm sure they are competing a bit, but i figure using any of it doesn't hurt youu
  41. # [00:16] <phillipadsmith> tw2113: true enough
  42. # [00:16] <tw2113> and as one starts becoming the defacto standard, you can easily go in and change your markup
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  48. # [00:30] <thatryan> anyone know how to make .html files not open in chrome on click?
  49. # [00:30] <thatryan> i set them to open in textmate, but chrome wont listen
  50. # [00:31] <nimbupani> i think you have not thatryan
  51. # [00:32] <nimbupani> especially if you set it as default browser or whatever
  52. # [00:32] <nimbupani> you need to change it again
  53. # [00:32] <paul_irish> cmd i on an html file
  54. # [00:32] <thatryan> chrome is my default browser
  55. # [00:32] <paul_irish> in there is where you set the default associations
  56. # [00:32] <thatryan> and i have paul
  57. # [00:32] <thatryan> yes
  58. # [00:32] <thatryan> i did that for everyohter file
  59. # [00:33] <thatryan> to TM, so it wouldnt open in freaking dreamweaver or something, but .html ones only stopped working when i switched to chrome for default, and resetting does not effect it...
  60. # [00:33] <thatryan> oh son of a bitch, now it works WTF
  61. # [00:34] <thatryan> done it like 30 times
  62. # [00:34] <thatryan> brb going to go kick a kitten for this
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  65. # [00:36] <tw2113> any of you ever heard of http://blekko.com
  66. # [00:37] <thatryan> yeh just now heard about it from tw2113
  67. # [00:37] <tw2113> :P
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  69. # [00:37] <tw2113> cool, i'm in the top 10 for searching my name
  70. # [00:38] <tw2113> both result 10 and 11 are actually me
  71. # [00:38] <tw2113> google has those same two results as 13 and 15
  72. # [00:40] <digitalfiz> so its another search engine?
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  74. # [00:40] <tw2113> yeah
  75. # [00:40] <tw2113> "blekko is a better way to search the web by using slashtags. slashtags search only the sites you want and cut out the spam sites. use friends, experts, community or your own slashtags to slash in what you want and slash out what you don't."
  76. # [00:41] <digitalfiz> we definately need another one of those :P
  77. # [00:41] <tw2113> based on what i've read, they know not to try and compete directly against google
  78. # [00:42] <digitalfiz> its an alternative concept
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  100. # [02:09] <antonkovalyov> hey people
  101. # [02:09] <antonkovalyov> are you in the bay area?
  102. # [02:09] <thatryan> yes
  103. # [02:09] <thatryan> duh
  104. # [02:09] <antonkovalyov> indoors?
  105. # [02:09] <antonkovalyov> get the fuck out
  106. # [02:09] <thatryan> NO
  107. # [02:09] <antonkovalyov> beautiful day out there
  108. # [02:10] <thatryan> outside baaaaad
  109. # [02:10] <antonkovalyov> dude it is awesome
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  111. # [02:10] <thatryan> bot-t stepped outside...and was never seen again!
  112. # [02:10] <antonkovalyov> yeah because it is so awesome
  113. # [02:10] <nimbupani> its horrible in seattle
  114. # [02:10] <thatryan> lol
  115. # [02:10] <thatryan> i like the rain
  116. # [02:10] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, that's why i asked "are you in the bay area" :)
  117. # [02:10] <thatryan> ha
  118. # [02:10] <nimbupani> i know
  119. # [02:10] <antonkovalyov> i liked seattle when i visited
  120. # [02:10] <antonkovalyov> even though it was rainy
  121. # [02:10] <nimbupani> DONT MAKE ME JEALOUS
  122. # [02:11] <nimbupani> its awesome place
  123. # [02:11] <nimbupani> except when its raining for 3 days
  124. # [02:11] * jacine|afk is now known as jacine
  125. # [02:11] <antonkovalyov> that's how december was in the bay area
  126. # [02:11] <thatryan> we barely had any rain though
  127. # [02:12] <thatryan> few days hardcore, and few weeks sporadic at most
  128. # [02:12] <thatryan> weak sauce
  129. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> maybe in concord :)
  130. # [02:12] <thatryan> stupid concord
  131. # [02:12] <thatryan> :/
  132. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> it was terrible in berkeley and sf
  133. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> rains all week long
  134. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> meh
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  141. # [02:25] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov: is disqus in the bay area?
  142. # [02:25] <antonkovalyov> Pewpewarrows, ya san francisco
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  157. # [02:57] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: PING!
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  184. # [04:19] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, sup?
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  187. # [04:30] <tw2113> i'm irritated by smartphones
  188. # [04:30] <tw2113> i think by default they treat websites as the desktop size and accomodate accordingly
  189. # [04:30] <tw2113> do media queries limit the scrollable viewport?
  190. # [04:34] <tw2113> bbs i need noms
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  196. # [04:46] <antonkovalyov> oh bot-t is back!
  197. # [04:46] <antonkovalyov> bot-t: hi!
  198. # [04:46] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, .trigger() - Execute all handlers and behaviors attached to the matched elements for the given event type. http://api.jquery.com/trigger/
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  200. # [04:50] <tw2113> antonkovalyov's life is complete again
  201. # [04:50] <nimbupani> so is mine.
  202. # [04:51] * nimbupani hugs bot-t
  203. # [04:51] * bot-t hugs nimbupani back
  204. # [04:51] <tw2113> ?fmb
  205. # [04:51] <bot-t> who?!?
  206. # [04:56] <paul_irish> nimbupani: on github issues hit ? and learn those
  207. # [04:56] <paul_irish> they make it sooo much easier
  208. # [04:57] <paul_irish> j k o and i mostly
  209. # [04:57] <nimbupani> o
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  211. # [04:57] <nimbupani> yeah otherwise they take years to load right
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  213. # [05:09] <Isowerk> good morning
  214. # [05:10] <Isowerk> I just created something stupid that I wanted to share with you: http://www.isowerk.com/dev/ijs/minirpg/
  215. # [05:10] <nimbupani> OMG multi-col on ols remove the list numbering :/
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  219. # [05:16] <tw2113> i'm a moron...in my css...i had #body
  220. # [05:16] <tw2113> but nothing with an ID of that
  221. # [05:16] <tw2113> thus, my background wasn't applying like i thought it should
  222. # [05:17] <paul_irish> Isowerk: !!! COOOOL
  223. # [05:17] <paul_irish> using impact!! how do you like it?
  224. # [05:17] <Isowerk> thanks ^^
  225. # [05:18] <Isowerk> it's very good and very well structured
  226. # [05:18] <paul_irish> man thats awesome
  227. # [05:18] <paul_irish> i think its time to buy it then :)
  228. # [05:18] <Isowerk> here is another bizarre thing I did earlier: http://www.isowerk.com/dev/v1/src/examples/test1.html
  229. # [05:18] <Isowerk> and: http://www.isowerk.com/dev/v1/src/examples/test2.html
  230. # [05:19] <nimbupani> looks neet
  231. # [05:20] <nimbupani> like the second one!
  232. # [05:20] <nimbupani> can make isometric artworks!
  233. # [05:20] <Isowerk> you can use the mouse wheel to change the height :)
  234. # [05:25] <tw2113> you javascript junkies :P
  235. # [05:26] <nimbupani> nice!
  236. # [05:26] <tw2113> is there something going on with git today?
  237. # [05:26] <Isowerk> I could swear that the entire Internet is messed up today.
  238. # [05:26] <Isowerk> just ever so slightly
  239. # [05:27] <Pewpewarrows> has anyone ever had weird occurances of &nbsp; in selected text stored to localStorage?
  240. # [05:28] <Pewpewarrows> like it only seems to happen with newline characters in the selection, it'll randomly through an &nbsp; in there
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  242. # [05:29] <Isowerk> *throw. Sorry, never seen that before.
  243. # [05:30] <paul_irish> oh my god Isowerk
  244. # [05:30] <Isowerk> what's up?
  245. # [05:30] <paul_irish> this is super rad
  246. # [05:30] <Isowerk> which one? minirpg or the isometric thing?
  247. # [05:31] <paul_irish> both
  248. # [05:32] <Isowerk> :) Thanks
  249. # [05:49] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: BAM! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pndagpledjgjncipdopblecbhjehgkgi
  250. # [05:50] <Pewpewarrows> I have more plans for it, but that should suffice
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  252. # [05:51] <Pewpewarrows> oh definitely some html encoding issues, dammit
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  255. # [06:01] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: nice!
  256. # [06:01] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, the guy who took your awesome portrait is not in the city, is he?
  257. # [06:01] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: he's in .no
  258. # [06:01] <antonkovalyov> i though maybe he moved :)
  259. # [06:02] <antonkovalyov> oh well
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  262. # [06:19] <tw2113> paul_irish i have an image to add to the cool story bro command http://imgfave.com/view/1098381
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  264. # [06:26] <hangfromthefloor> Where is the best place to ask about using canvas?
  265. # [06:27] <thatryan> bot-t: is back?
  266. # [06:27] <bot-t> thatryan, You may rely on it.
  267. # [06:27] <thatryan> YAY!
  268. # [06:27] <nimbupani> here hangfromthefloor
  269. # [06:28] <paul_irish> iunno i like the basic csb better
  270. # [06:28] <paul_irish> girls have no ability to deliver csb appropriately
  271. # [06:30] <hangfromthefloor> Is the channel logged?
  272. # [06:30] <hangfromthefloor> For public viewing?
  273. # [06:30] <nimbupani> WTF paul_irish?
  274. # [06:31] <nimbupani> but i do like original csn
  275. # [06:31] <nimbupani> csb*
  276. # [06:31] <nimbupani> nothing to do with girls tho! >_<
  277. # [06:32] <paul_irish> hangfromthefloor: yes. http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
  278. # [06:33] <tw2113> was an option is all
  279. # [06:34] <paul_irish> :)
  280. # [06:34] <paul_irish> tw hows your frieday
  281. # [06:35] <tw2113> you mean saturday?
  282. # [06:35] <tw2113> watching some Duck Tales at the moment :D
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  286. # [06:37] <paul_irish> hahah whooops. cool!
  287. # [06:37] <antonkovalyov> what is the current image?
  288. # [06:38] <antonkovalyov> ?csb
  289. # [06:38] <bot-t> cool story, bro. http://goo.gl/m4706
  290. # [06:38] <antonkovalyov> http://i56.tinypic.com/ae2lmv.gif
  291. # [06:38] <antonkovalyov> i like this one
  292. # [06:38] <paul_irish> hahah that's a good one
  293. # [06:38] <paul_irish> let me get coldhead's signoff
  294. # [06:39] <tw2113> guess i forgot it had an image already
  295. # [06:39] <tw2113> my bad
  296. # [06:40] <paul_irish> it's done.
  297. # [06:40] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: FINE SUGGESTION
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  299. # [06:42] <antonkovalyov> ?csb
  300. # [06:42] <bot-t> cool story, bro. http://i56.tinypic.com/ae2lmv.gif
  301. # [06:42] <antonkovalyov> I CONTRIBUTED!
  302. # [06:42] <Pewpewarrows> :)
  303. # [06:43] <nimbupani> ?hi5 antonkovalyov
  304. # [06:43] <bot-t> ⁵ antonkovalyov
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  308. # [07:08] <paul_irish> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/bill-maher-lashes-teabaggers-misconception-founding-fathers/
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  310. # [07:12] <antonkovalyov> i loved a bit about settlement offer
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  312. # [07:15] <tw2113> hmm, dreamhost must have sneezed
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  315. # [07:19] <antonkovalyov> meh http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-21/bank-of-america-reports-1-24-billion-loss-on-faulty-loans-mortgage-unit.html
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  317. # [07:23] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://humanstxt.org
  318. # [07:25] <tw2113> interesting idea
  319. # [07:25] <nimbupani> o neet
  320. # [07:25] <nimbupani> yeah
  321. # [07:25] <nimbupani> we should use it
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  323. # [07:35] <antonkovalyov> "How does it feel to be among the greats of literature such as Stephen King, Tolkien, Rowling and Snooki as a best selling author?" hahaha
  324. # [07:35] <antonkovalyov> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/f73ma/iama_5_time_nyt_best_selling_novelist_author_of/
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  326. # [07:55] <tw2113> any preferred domain registrars in here? besides godaddy
  327. # [07:59] <tw2113> fark it, i'll just go through godaddy and transfer right away
  328. # [08:00] <thatryan> i buy mine through mt
  329. # [08:00] <thatryan> easiest since i host there
  330. # [08:01] <tw2113> do they do .me domains?
  331. # [08:01] <thatryan> nope!
  332. # [08:01] <thatryan> :)
  333. # [08:01] <thatryan> lol
  334. # [08:01] <thatryan> helpful yes?
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  336. # [08:02] <tw2113> drat
  337. # [08:03] <tw2113> i don't want to have to sign up for an account just to register a domain
  338. # [08:03] <tw2113> if possible
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  349. # [08:31] <digitalfiz> i like namecheap.com
  350. # [08:31] <digitalfiz> my company buys 30+ domains from them a week and never has problems
  351. # [08:31] <digitalfiz> been using them for 4 years
  352. # [08:31] <digitalfiz> godaddy however has raped me a few times
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  354. # [08:44] <antonkovalyov> http://tacomaconfidential.typepad.com/the_murder_book_2008/2010/10/hans-reiser-former-genius-convicted-murderer-and-future-mad-scientist.html
  355. # [08:45] <antonkovalyov> jesus, hans reiser gone mad
  356. # [08:47] <tw2113> i am not happy with godaddy right now
  357. # [08:52] <digitalfiz> nodaddy.com
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  359. # [08:54] <tw2113> i'm sure i didn't register for hosting and even put my dreamhost DNS in during the process
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  362. # [08:54] <digitalfiz> they try to sneak all that crap in there on the check out
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  371. # [09:05] <antonkovalyov> i use networksolutions
  372. # [09:06] <antonkovalyov> they are more expensive and they used to have normal interface
  373. # [09:06] <antonkovalyov> but lately they started to add all this godaddy-like crap
  374. # [09:06] <antonkovalyov> so i am thinking about moving
  375. # [09:06] <tw2113> i managed to get in finally, i must have typo'd my password somehow
  376. # [09:06] <tw2113> got a reset done
  377. # [09:07] <tw2113> took them 30 minutes to even send an email
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  379. # [09:17] <tw2113> antonkovalyov turns out i need to wait 60 days before i can transfer anyway
  380. # [09:20] <digitalfiz> yes
  381. # [09:20] <digitalfiz> godaddy puts "holds" on the domains when you update whois information or renew and just about whatever else they can think to use to put a hold on your domains
  382. # [09:22] <tw2113> this was a statement on dreamhost though, i imagine they do it for the same reasons
  383. # [09:22] <digitalfiz> dont wanna be a salesman but ive never had to deal with any extra crap on checkout at namecheap and they give you whoisgaurd and a free year of ssl for each domain you buy
  384. # [09:22] <digitalfiz> and did i mention no checkout sales bull :P
  385. # [09:23] <tw2113> i said no to everything, put the dreamhost dns info in
  386. # [09:23] <digitalfiz> 15 pages of "no thanks"
  387. # [09:23] <tw2113> added the domain through my DH admin, i'm set up
  388. # [09:23] <tw2113> just have the registration over on HoDaddy
  389. # [09:27] <digitalfiz> Number of domains in your account 1824
  390. # [09:27] <digitalfiz> :D
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  461. # [14:51] <craigbarnes> Mustache vs. Django Templates..any opinions?
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  466. # [15:00] <gattuso> craigbarnes: HAML?
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  476. # [15:29] <KDN> Hello, I'm already on the whatwg working group email list and was looking up membership stuff for w3.org. Is there a way to get more involved than a public account for a freelancer in the w3 HTML WG?
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  484. # [15:48] <Pewpewarrows> craigbarnes: isn't mustache client-side and django temps server-side?
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  488. # [15:52] <KDN> kennyluck: Thank you, just what I was looking for.
  489. # [15:59] <Pewpewarrows> hmm, I wonder when we'll start seeing device support through the html5 spec
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  493. # [16:08] <OpenSourcedNick> is there a possibility to record and play (especially record) sound with html5? otherwise the only solutions I see are Flash (never gonna happen) and Java applet (please don't make me)..
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  496. # [16:14] <Pewpewarrows> OpenSourcedNick: not that I know of, streaming and recording are still the weakpoints of html5 video/audio iirc
  497. # [16:14] <daleharvey> OpenSourcedNick: not yet, its a work in progress through the device api I believe
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  499. # [16:17] <craigbarnes> Pewpewarrows, no, they're both just template engines, they can be implemented on either side
  500. # [16:18] <obert-> kids..
  501. # [16:18] <craigbarnes> I'm considering both for a static generator project
  502. # [16:18] <Pewpewarrows> oh, ok
  503. # [16:18] <OpenSourcedNick> daleharvey: a work in progress means I should hold on my development project in this area for a couple of months or seek solution at redundant flash/java code?
  504. # [16:18] <Pewpewarrows> idk, having used the django one for a while now I would never use it over anything else, but I'm a bit biased
  505. # [16:19] <obert-> def Jazz
  506. # [16:19] <craigbarnes> Yeah I've been mostly using Django myself too
  507. # [16:19] <craigbarnes> but I like the idea of logic-less templates
  508. # [16:19] <craigbarnes> as in Mustache
  509. # [16:19] <Pewpewarrows> OpenSourcedNick: I really doubt we'll see the device spec fleshed out in a couple of months, nevermind browser implementations
  510. # [16:20] <craigbarnes> was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on it
  511. # [16:20] <daleharvey> well I would expect browser implementations before the spec is fleshed out, I have been surprised at how slow the device stuff is going though
  512. # [16:21] <obert-> luckily it is slow:P
  513. # [16:21] <Pewpewarrows> well I guess it's just a matter of whether you prefer logic in the controller rendering the template, or in the template itself
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  515. # [16:21] <craigbarnes> I prefer as little logic in the template as possible but so Mustache wins on that point
  516. # [16:22] <obert-> $myTheme = new Theme;
  517. # [16:22] <Pewpewarrows> I personally think it's cleaner to just build a data structure of variables you want, and sending that all off to the template
  518. # [16:22] <craigbarnes> but I'm not too familiar with Mustache and I was to lazy to do a little research :)
  519. # [16:22] <craigbarnes> s/to lazy/too lazy/
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  530. # [17:00] <Evet> which framework for mobile device development?
  531. # [17:03] <Evet> *web gui development for mobile browsers.
  532. # [17:10] <Trisox> jQuery Mobile 1.0a2 http://jquerymobile.com/
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  562. # [18:26] <alrra> does anyone know how can i make google closure compiler leave some comments (e.g copyright stuff ) after compression ?
  563. # [18:27] <snover> ?g closure compiler jsdoc @ alrra
  564. # [18:27] <bot-t> alrra, Annotating JavaScript for the Closure Compiler - Closure Compiler ... - http://code.google.com/closure/compiler/docs/js-for-compiler.html
  565. # [18:28] <alrra> tnx :D
  566. # [18:29] <Pewpewarrows> TNT has played thus far this weekend: Kill Bill vol 1&2, The Dark Knight, the Matrix trilogy, and they're now playing the LOTR trilogy
  567. # [18:29] <Pewpewarrows> how the hell do they expect me to get any work done
  568. # [18:29] <Pewpewarrows> ugh
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  572. # [18:43] <paul_irish> mokush: yah if (window.Object.keys){
  573. # [18:45] <mokush> paul_irish: but isn't this tha same as just Object.keys, without the window? or is there an advantage to using window. ?
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  575. # [18:45] <Pewpewarrows> I find it's better to explicitly say "window." when referring to global vars
  576. # [18:45] <paul_irish> i think its fine
  577. # [18:45] <paul_irish> either way
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  579. # [18:46] <Pewpewarrows> for readability and debugging, I don't think there's any real performance hits
  580. # [18:46] <paul_irish> you just dont wanna do a non-dotted like if (Object)
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  592. # [19:04] <mokush> paul_irish, Pewpewarrows thanks guys
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  598. # [19:09] <cgcardona> me likey chrom
  599. # [19:09] <cgcardona> *chrome
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  608. # [19:51] <mokush> cgcardona: so does paul_irish
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  610. # [19:52] <cgcardona> mokush: and u?
  611. # [19:52] <cgcardona> tw2113: !!
  612. # [19:52] <tw2113> sore?
  613. # [19:52] <cgcardona> <(O_o)>
  614. # [19:53] <cgcardona> my feet are bloody nubs
  615. # [19:53] <cgcardona> we did the last 6 miles in the complete dark with one flashlight and three people :-/
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  617. # [19:53] <cgcardona> it bordered on insane and brutal
  618. # [19:53] <mokush> cgcardona: I like lynx better
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  620. # [19:54] <cgcardona> wow - hard cre
  621. # [19:54] <cgcardona> *core
  622. # [19:54] <cgcardona> how you doin tw2113 ?
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  624. # [19:56] <tw2113> i pulled my hair out for about 30 minutes when HOdaddy was slow with sending out emails
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  626. # [19:56] <tw2113> all that trouble just for a domain name
  627. # [19:56] <cgcardona> i'm so over HoDaddy
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  629. # [19:56] <cgcardona> it's like someone puked up sale all over my screen
  630. # [19:57] <tw2113> but i finally got my first/last name with a suffex
  631. # [19:57] <cgcardona> url?
  632. # [19:58] <tw2113> michaelbeckwith.me
  633. # [19:58] <cgcardona> nice dude - congrats
  634. # [19:59] <cgcardona> i can finally put a face with a name - cool
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  636. # [19:59] <tw2113> you like doing that too?
  637. # [19:59] <tw2113> my twitter avatar is me btw :P
  638. # [20:00] <cgcardona> yeah but your twitter avatar has a hat on and is from an odd angle - unlike this shot
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  640. # [20:01] <tw2113> yeah, this is one of those i likely took for the sake of dating site profile pictures
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  647. # [20:27] * NiftyLettuce hotpink, you know what it is
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  651. # [20:30] <fiz_> you guys know if there is a way to specify the numbers a numbered list uses?
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  657. # [20:36] <NiftyLettuce> ndimatteo: hi there
  658. # [20:37] <ndimatteo> NiftyLettuce: what's up
  659. # [20:38] <paul_irish> fiz_: use the value attribute on the li
  660. # [20:39] <fiz_> :D
  661. # [20:40] <fiz_> that will allow me to set each li's number?
  662. # [20:41] <paul_irish> ?tias
  663. # [20:41] <bot-t> Try It And See
  664. # [20:41] <fiz_> yeah yeah
  665. # [20:41] <fiz_> :P
  666. # [20:42] <fiz_> im stuck on my netbook right now and i havent got cloud9 setup yet so im researching without being able to test
  667. # [20:42] <Peter`> data:text/html,<!doctype html><ol><li value="5">foo
  668. # [20:43] <fiz_> nice
  669. # [20:44] <fiz_> i dunno why i dont think about that
  670. # [20:44] <paul_irish> also jsfiddle.net
  671. # [20:45] <fiz_> i was about to ssh into my box and do things "the hard way"
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  674. # [20:46] <craigbarnes> ?g porn @ craigbarnes
  675. # [20:46] <bot-t> craigbarnes, Free Porn Videos & Sex Movies - Porno, XXX, Porn Tube and Pussy Porn - http://www.pornhub.com/
  676. # [20:47] <craigbarnes> pervbot
  677. # [20:47] <fiz_> jdfiddle fails
  678. # [20:47] <craigbarnes> shit that's going to look good in the chat logs
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  681. # [20:49] * craigbarnes admits he is childish
  682. # [20:49] * NiftyLettuce wow.. lol
  683. # [20:51] <craigbarnes> I was just trying it - I thought @ would make it a private msg
  684. # [20:51] <craigbarnes> oh dear
  685. # [20:51] <craigbarnes> perhaps not the best thing to test with
  686. # [20:52] <paul_irish> /msg bot-t ?g sexy html5
  687. # [20:52] <thatryan> what the hell did i walk into
  688. # [20:52] <craigbarnes> lol
  689. # [20:52] <craigbarnes> nothing much
  690. # [20:52] <thatryan> lol
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  693. # [20:53] <fiz_> we were disussing craigbarnes's obsession with porn
  694. # [20:53] <craigbarnes> it was just the first word that came to mind
  695. # [20:54] <craigbarnes> so I guess you are right
  696. # [20:54] <tw2113> ?g html5 vs html
  697. # [20:54] <bot-t> tw2113, HTML5 differences from HTML4 - http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/
  698. # [20:54] <fiz_> hence the need for intervention
  699. # [20:55] <tw2113> anyone else going to do the humanstxt.org idea? is it going into the boilerplate?
  700. # [20:56] <paul_irish> it is if people like it. i created an issue to see if people want it in.
  701. # [20:56] <Evet_> i wish to build gui completely in SVG
  702. # [20:56] <paul_irish> Evet_: hot
  703. # [20:56] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: i got some progress on one, if you'd like to collab
  704. # [20:57] <tw2113> i'll do it with my sites
  705. # [20:57] <Evet_> NiftyLettuce: building a framework, or for your use?
  706. # [20:57] <tw2113> the link will look hot next to the ascii firefox logo
  707. # [20:57] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: taking what I did for site and making it into framework, I see there is already svgboilerplate which I've been usin
  708. # [20:58] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: using physics engine for webapp, pretty nifty with SVG, espec for ipad
  709. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> ?g svgboilerplate
  710. # [20:58] <bot-t> craigbarnes, SVG Boilerplate a kick-arse default to put the wow back into the web - http://svgboilerplate.com/
  711. # [20:59] <Evet_> looks cool
  712. # [21:00] <Evet_> there is also, http://www.amplesdk.com/
  713. # [21:00] <NiftyLettuce> anyone know of a good alternative to box2d? something a little simpler?
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  715. # [21:01] <Evet_> NiftyLettuce: wow, its a c++ engine
  716. # [21:02] <Evet_> so you're rendering your gui in serverside?
  717. # [21:02] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: trying to get PHP to render it when user calls it, each user has different looking GUI
  718. # [21:04] <Evet_> NiftyLettuce: have you checked amplesdk
  719. # [21:05] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: never even heard of it till now
  720. # [21:05] <paul_irish> Evet_: you used ample?
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  722. # [21:07] <Evet_> paul_irish: not yet in the production
  723. # [21:07] <Evet_> testing atm
  724. # [21:07] <paul_irish> cool
  725. # [21:07] <antonkovalyov> does anybody know sean parker here?
  726. # [21:08] * paul_irish is working on http://oksoclap.com/w3foolspostmortem to send a letter to the MDC folks.
  727. # [21:09] <thatryan> paul_irish: when you sending it?
  728. # [21:09] <paul_irish> today.
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  730. # [21:09] <paul_irish> asap
  731. # [21:09] <thatryan> sweet
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  733. # [21:11] <Evet_> NiftyLettuce: you should also take a look at http://raphaeljs.com/
  734. # [21:11] <Evet_> but, its not SVG compatible
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  736. # [21:13] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: ? why
  737. # [21:13] <Evet_> it looks promising for vectoral drawing in js
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  739. # [21:13] <Evet_> and has a nice api
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  744. # [21:18] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: have you tested it in multi browser/devices?
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  746. # [21:20] <NiftyLettuce> wow, did you see this? http://raphaeljs.com/scape/
  747. # [21:20] <Evet_> NiftyLettuce: very low fps in ie
  748. # [21:20] <NiftyLettuce> screw IE
  749. # [21:21] <NiftyLettuce> Evet_: what bout mozilla/ipad/iphone/droid?
  750. # [21:21] <paul_irish> did you guys see creepy mouth?
  751. # [21:21] <Evet_> NiftyLettuce: its ok in mozilla. it said it doesnt work on mobile devices
  752. # [21:22] <NiftyLettuce> http://schepers.cc/linguistics/theCreepyMouth.svg
  753. # [21:22] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: epic
  754. # [21:22] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: slightly pink too
  755. # [21:22] <paul_irish> needs more hot
  756. # [21:22] <NiftyLettuce> creepymouth is pretty fluid
  757. # [21:23] <NiftyLettuce> Pharyngeal to Glottal transformation is slick
  758. # [21:23] <paul_irish> he has another version that uses SMIL. i wonder how perf differs
  759. # [21:27] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, letter looks good
  760. # [21:27] <paul_irish> thx
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  764. # [21:30] <NiftyLettuce> !urmom
  765. # [21:30] <NiftyLettuce> ahh bot-t you failed me!
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  780. # [21:45] <Evet_> Don't ipad, iphone, android browsers have native support for SVG?
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  784. # [21:49] <Pewpewarrows> Evet_: http://www.caniuse.com/#agents=mobile&cats=SVG
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  796. # [22:11] <Pewpewarrows> whatever happened to TestSwarm?
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  799. # [22:15] <paul_irish> didn't get too documented.
  800. # [22:15] <paul_irish> so only like 5 people installed it themselves
  801. # [22:16] <paul_irish> didn't have a fun time.. and never contributed back
  802. # [22:16] <paul_irish> code rot.
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  804. # [22:17] <antonkovalyov> ?TestSwar,
  805. # [22:17] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, John Resig - Test Swarm Alpha Open - http://ejohn.org/blog/test-swarm-alpha-open/
  806. # [22:17] <antonkovalyov> ?TestSwarm
  807. # [22:17] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, 9 months - Timeline jQuery Core - Bug Tracker - http://bugs.jquery.com/timeline?from=2010-03-25T12:25:39Z&precision=second
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  809. # [22:17] <antonkovalyov> hm
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  812. # [22:19] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: ?g
  813. # [22:19] <paul_irish> without the g its like a jquery planet search
  814. # [22:19] <antonkovalyov> ya keep forgetting
  815. # [22:20] <antonkovalyov> ?g TestSwarm
  816. # [22:20] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, TestSwarm - GitHub - https://github.com/jeresig/testswarm/wiki
  817. # [22:20] <antonkovalyov> much better
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  819. # [22:23] <Pewpewarrows> that's a shame, I remember hearing about it back in the day and thinking that crowdsourced javascript testing would be neat
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  823. # [22:35] <alrra> paul_irish: did chromium changed something about the speech stuff or is it just me ?
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  827. # [22:44] <paul_irish> shrug
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  830. # [22:45] <antonkovalyov> time to get some delicious louisiana fried chicken for lunch
  831. # [22:45] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, will you be here later today? wanted to talk about jshint
  832. # [22:47] <paul_irish> yes i will be.
  833. # [22:47] <paul_irish> let's talk about it.
  834. # [22:47] <antonkovalyov> kk
  835. # [22:47] <paul_irish> i think we should launch via badass_js
  836. # [22:47] <paul_irish> maybe get a few big names on board beforehand
  837. # [22:47] <paul_irish> but i can wait until you're back to figure out the rest.
  838. # [22:47] <antonkovalyov> like... crockford
  839. # [22:47] <paul_irish> lol
  840. # [22:48] <antonkovalyov> k, i'll be back in a couple of hours
  841. # [22:48] <antonkovalyov> people if you are in berkeley, check out angeline's cafe. the best buttermilk fried chick in the world.
  842. # [22:48] <paul_irish> mmmmm
  843. # [22:48] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, me and david cramer are going there for lunch. :) if you'll make it in 20 minutes, feel free to join
  844. # [22:49] <paul_irish> im good :) homegirl is getting me a chicken/avo/chipotle crepe
  845. # [22:50] <antonkovalyov> homegirl? what's that?
  846. # [22:50] <paul_irish> it's complicated.
  847. # [22:50] <thatryan> lol
  848. # [22:50] <antonkovalyov> i already googled the definition
  849. # [22:51] <thatryan> ha, i doubt the google def. covers it ;p
  850. # [22:51] <antonkovalyov> "a girl who is a friend to the end no matter what goes down you know SHE GOT YOUR BACK"
  851. # [22:51] <antonkovalyov> seems fine to me
  852. # [22:51] <antonkovalyov> ok, afk
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  857. # [23:03] <paul_irish> ?ud homegirl
  858. # [23:04] <paul_irish> cool thx bottty.
  859. # [23:04] <thatryan> lol
  860. # [23:04] <thatryan> thought you and bot were cool?
  861. # [23:05] <chipotle> paul_irish: mmm, chi[potle :)
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  863. # [23:05] <thatryan> what the hell
  864. # [23:05] <thatryan> lol
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  866. # [23:07] <digitalfiz> that fiz dude is really weird
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  868. # [23:07] <tw2113> fizzy lifting drink?
  869. # [23:07] <digitalfiz> him and his netbook using a cloud irc app
  870. # [23:07] <digitalfiz> so weird
  871. # [23:07] <fiz_> shut your face digitalfiz
  872. # [23:07] <digitalfiz> no you!
  873. # [23:07] <fiz_> no you!
  874. # [23:08] <digitalfiz> ok you win
  875. # [23:08] <fiz_> thats what i thought
  876. # [23:08] <tw2113> fighting with yourself again?
  877. # [23:08] <digitalfiz> he's my evil self
  878. # [23:08] <fiz_> no he's the evil on im ll good
  879. # [23:08] <digitalfiz> whateva
  880. # [23:09] <fiz_> shut up before i tell your mom about that one thing you did in the closet
  881. # [23:09] <digitalfiz> :E
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  883. # [23:10] <tw2113> reasons to keep twitter closed: football playoffs
  884. # [23:10] <digitalfiz> ugh
  885. # [23:10] <fiz_> i really hate
  886. # [23:10] <digitalfiz> football
  887. # [23:11] <digitalfiz> a buncha dudes
  888. # [23:11] <fiz_> smackin
  889. # [23:11] <digitalfiz> each others asses
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  892. # [23:12] <tw2113> stop looking for the ass smacking
  893. # [23:13] <digitalfiz> lol
  894. # [23:15] <digitalfiz> http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agreements/verisign/registry-agmt-appg-com-16apr01.htm
  895. # [23:15] <digitalfiz> back in 2001 max registrars could charge for domains was $6 lol
  896. # [23:15] <digitalfiz> now its up over $10
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  898. # [23:21] <Pewpewarrows> I keep football on occasionally to watch for all the mistakes that my friends' favorite teams/players make, and then poke fun at them for later
  899. # [23:21] <Pewpewarrows> my friends put up with alot ^^
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  901. # [23:23] <hkjels> Hi. How can I prevent an element inside of a Canvas from scaling along with the canvas itself?
  902. # [23:24] <hkjels> Will I have to do it onResize or is there a parameter I can switch
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  904. # [23:25] <thatryan> any textmate fans here
  905. # [23:26] <digitalfiz> coda ftw :P
  906. # [23:26] <thatryan> booooo ;)
  907. # [23:26] <hkjels> I am a textmate user
  908. # [23:27] <thatryan> yay
  909. # [23:27] <thatryan> :)
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  911. # [23:27] <hkjels> sufficient for most tasks
  912. # [23:27] <thatryan> I made this fun site last night, http://textmateuser.com/
  913. # [23:27] <thatryan> wanted something light to make :)
  914. # [23:28] <cgcardona> didn't someone in here the other day have a comment that said something like <-- if IE FUCK YOU!! --> ?
  915. # [23:28] <cgcardona> the comment got sent out over twitter
  916. # [23:28] <cgcardona> i would like to see the actual code
  917. # [23:28] <thatryan> lol
  918. # [23:28] <thatryan> that was me
  919. # [23:28] <cgcardona> cool
  920. # [23:29] <cgcardona> can I see the url?
  921. # [23:29] <thatryan> its in my homepage didnt expect anyone to go through the source :p
  922. # [23:29] <thatryan> http://thatryan.com/
  923. # [23:29] <cgcardona> never doubt the open source trolls my friend
  924. # [23:30] <thatryan> its cool, its fun thats why its there :D
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  928. # [23:33] <cgcardona> I think I'm gonna reuse this code if it's cool with you thatryan
  929. # [23:33] <cgcardona> i love that jquery notify bar
  930. # [23:33] <thatryan> hells yes go for it ;)
  931. # [23:33] <cgcardona> fuck IE and all
  932. # [23:33] <cgcardona> :)
  933. # [23:33] <thatryan> lol
  934. # [23:34] <digitalfiz> neat site
  935. # [23:34] <thatryan> thnx
  936. # [23:35] <fiz_> ive been tempted to redo my blogs template in html5
  937. # [23:35] <digitalfiz> but im lazy
  938. # [23:36] <cgcardona> speaking from two accounts? nice
  939. # [23:36] <Pewpewarrows> thatryan: omg those comments are gold
  940. # [23:36] <Pewpewarrows> I'm crying here
  941. # [23:36] <thatryan> mission accomplished :p
  942. # [23:39] <Pewpewarrows> does @anywhere really need to be in the head, there's no other way?
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  944. # [23:41] <tw2113> only the cool people use view source
  945. # [23:44] <thatryan> Pewpewarrows: i dont think so... when I first used it twitter said it did, and i moved it to foot and it failed
  946. # [23:44] <thatryan> but
  947. # [23:44] <thatryan> i saw it used in the footer on another site, so i am sure there is a way
  948. # [23:45] <Pewpewarrows> hmm
  949. # [23:46] <tw2113> so much rage in your source thatryan
  950. # [23:46] <thatryan> BAMPOW!
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  952. # [23:46] <digitalfiz> you need to wrap your twitter function with $(document).ready(function(){ twitter deal here });
  953. # [23:47] <digitalfiz> the problem is twttr.anywhere is being called before the js is being included
  954. # [23:48] <thatryan> ahhhh
  955. # [23:48] <thatryan> DUH wow
  956. # [23:48] <thatryan> thanks
  957. # [23:48] <digitalfiz> :P
  958. # [23:48] <Pewpewarrows> that would make sense
  959. # [23:48] <thatryan> i love working at 3am, then fun stuff like that happens lol
  960. # [23:50] <digitalfiz> lol
  961. # [23:52] <tw2113> i was piecing together little bits of michaelbeckwith.me at that time
  962. # [23:58] <chipotle> hello
  963. # [23:59] <tw2113> yo
  964. # [23:59] <chipotle> i'd like to learn html4/5 and css. i have been doing backend web development for quite some time but i'd like to learn the design side (not graphic design, but to take the wireframes and turn into html/css/php) for php-based CMS' (drupal)... how difficult is this to learn, and how do i begin?
  965. # [23:59] <thatryan> tw2113: whos that dude
  966. # [23:59] <thatryan> :p
  967. # [23:59] <tw2113> just some dude
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