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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 25 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <paul_irish> i recommend socket.io to everyone. totally awesome
  4. # [00:00] <Evet> paul_irish: are you using nodejs at back-end?
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  8. # [00:08] <paul_irish> Evet: lets go with.. yes
  9. # [00:09] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell masondesu http://docs.jquery.com/Getting_Involved
  10. # [00:09] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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  23. # [00:24] <jpin> Hi, is it possible to colorize words a textarea (something like css per work?)
  24. # [00:24] <franksalim> antonkovalyov, source for the cr-48 news?
  25. # [00:24] <jpin> (in html5 of course)
  26. # [00:25] <jpin> argh .. is it possible to colorize words in a textarea (something like css per word?)
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  30. # [00:29] <antonkovalyov> franksalim, http://twitter.com/#!/LuigiMontanez/status/29625344294133760
  31. # [00:29] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/enh9W4 @LuigiMontanez: Just got a CR-48 Chrome notebook along with a set of decals. Thanks Google! http://twitpic.com/3t2igl http://twitpic.com/3t2ioo
  32. # [00:29] <franksalim> thanks
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  34. # [00:32] <franksalim> paul_irish, is socket.io a pollyfill even though it doesn't use the standard API?
  35. # [00:35] <thatryan> yay just got a ton of tweets for my textmate site cause two big names tweeted it lol
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  42. # [00:48] <paul_irish> franksalim: no i would not consider it a polyfill
  43. # [00:49] <paul_irish> its a realtime communication library that uses the web-socket-js flash polyfill under the hood.. among other things
  44. # [00:49] <paul_irish> but its just so damn sweet i wouldnt do WS without it
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  46. # [00:50] <serio_> anybody see that nodejs + Kinect thing?
  47. # [00:50] <serio_> that's some sweetness
  48. # [00:50] <paul_irish> link plz
  49. # [00:51] <serio_> http://vimeo.com/18645886
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  51. # [00:51] <serio_> he uses flash as the front-end, but you could use just about anything.
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  53. # [00:54] <franksalim> paul_irish, i'm biased, since my day job is working on a WebSocket polyfill
  54. # [00:54] <paul_irish> franksalim: not a free one. :)
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  57. # [00:54] <franksalim> right
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  59. # [00:55] <Brodingo> possible to set up a websocket for a telnet MUD?
  60. # [00:55] <paul_irish> but hey if its a straightup polyfill and has the sort of browser compat that socket.io offers...
  61. # [00:55] <paul_irish> well that's quite compelling.
  62. # [00:55] <paul_irish> i could get behind that fo sho
  63. # [00:55] <serio_> nobody plays MUD's anymore.
  64. # [00:55] <Brodingo> HEY
  65. # [00:55] <serio_> NOBODY!
  66. # [00:55] <Brodingo> you shut your mouth
  67. # [00:55] <serio_> NERD!
  68. # [00:55] <Brodingo> NERRRRRDDDDD
  69. # [00:55] <serio_> ;)
  70. # [00:55] <franksalim> that's what it is. the transport list is different, and i think we have been more careful to preserve the security properties of websocket for each transport. (no jsonp!)
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  72. # [00:56] <serio_> NERD, says the nerd on the IRC channel
  73. # [00:56] <Brodingo> "hey buddy did you get a load of that nerd" "excuse me?"
  74. # [00:56] <paul_irish> franksalim: ah cool.
  75. # [00:56] <franksalim> Brodingo, you will not be able to connect directly to a telnet server. you can have a websocket gateway connect your websocket clients to telnet servers, though
  76. # [00:56] <paul_irish> is there a proper URL for the product?
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  78. # [00:57] <Brodingo> hmm ok
  79. # [00:57] <franksalim> kaazing.com or http://kaazing.com/products/html5-edition.html
  80. # [00:57] <franksalim> http://kaazing.com/download.html maybe
  81. # [00:59] <Brodingo> franksalim i found this: http://www.phudbase.com/webmud.php
  82. # [01:00] <franksalim> Brodingo, that looks like it does what you want
  83. # [01:01] <Brodingo> i wish i knew more about this stuff, kind of jumping into the deep end here trying to understand it
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  87. # [01:06] <paul_irish> franksalim: with your websocket gatework could i do this.. if (!window.WebSocket) getScript('wsgateway.js');
  88. # [01:06] <paul_irish> and have it work, more or less?
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  97. # [01:11] <franksalim> paul_irish, i can't swear that works without trying it
  98. # [01:11] <paul_irish> franksalim: thats the pattern i'm starting to evangelize more and more
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  100. # [01:12] <paul_irish> and where the power of polyfills really shows off
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  102. # [01:12] <franksalim> it seems like a reasonable pattern, although you incur some additional wait time if you do need to fetch more scripts
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  104. # [01:12] <paul_irish> because you dont ship code to the browsers that are modern enough to have the features
  105. # [01:13] <paul_irish> aye.
  106. # [01:13] <franksalim> seems like a straightforward bandwidth vs. latency trade
  107. # [01:13] <paul_irish> anyway... i added you to https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
  108. # [01:13] <paul_irish> it is.
  109. # [01:13] <paul_irish> based on my (and others research) it looks like its around 30k
  110. # [01:14] <paul_irish> for a average cable modem, avg latency
  111. # [01:14] <franksalim> cool, thanks
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  113. # [01:15] <paul_irish> but i'd love to pin down that 30k estimate more.. if you have any extra R&D cycles.. :) https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/5
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  116. # [01:17] <franksalim> that's a good discussion
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  122. # [01:27] <snover> paul_irish: that’s such an incredibly difficult question to answer authoritatively because there are so many mitigating factors :\
  123. # [01:27] <snover> Like, even on that lazyweb thread nobody has even mentioned TCP slow-start
  124. # [01:28] <snover> or how HTTP pipelining would affect things
  125. # [01:28] <franksalim> or SPDY :)
  126. # [01:28] <tw2113> boy, i wasn't that talkative today while i was at work
  127. # [01:28] <paul_irish> yah..
  128. # [01:28] <tw2113> did you guys enjoy the silence?
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  130. # [01:28] <paul_irish> tw2113: shh for a sec.
  131. # [01:28] <franksalim> but it would be good to have better data on the networks that people are actually using today
  132. # [01:32] <snover> It’s so sad that pipelining is disabled IE & Moz by default, and does not exist at all in Chrome
  133. # [01:32] <paul_irish> snover: what i dont want is what is happening.. "omg so i heard i should use script loaders.... " head.load('jqueryjs','jquery-corners.js','jquery-masonry.js','modernizr.js', 'jquery-infinite-scorll.js','jquery-currency.js','site.js')
  134. # [01:32] <snover> it exists, it solves basically every problem
  135. # [01:32] <paul_irish> i dont think anyone can tell me that ^ is correct
  136. # [01:33] <snover> that could work just fine if clients implemented pipelining :\
  137. # [01:33] <paul_irish> but there seems to be very little good advice that acommpanies the concept of async script loading that indicates how it should be used in practice
  138. # [01:33] <paul_irish> (for the moment, excluding require.js)
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  141. # [01:36] <franksalim> snover, most proxies don't implement pipelining. also, pipelining breaks comet. i think there are reasons why the clients don't have pipelining enabled
  142. # [01:36] <snover> pipelining breaks comet?
  143. # [01:36] <franksalim> sure. what if your resource request is pipelined after a long-polling request?
  144. # [01:37] <snover> it’s a resource request for a separate resource so the connection being held open waiting for the long-poll resource shouldn’t be closed
  145. # [01:37] <franksalim> it could be behind the long-poll request on the same TCP connection
  146. # [01:38] <snover> hum.
  147. # [01:40] <franksalim> so i don't think pipelining is a silver bullet. maybe a new protocol like SPDY that can handle pipelining and multiplexing would better solve these problems
  148. # [01:41] <snover> spdy is certainly an improvement
  149. # [01:41] <snover> we’ll see when anyone other than google implements it :)
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  151. # [01:43] <snover> franksalim: could still use pipelining with a comet request, just needs to be POST instead :\
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  153. # [01:44] <snover> httpbis has some draft to improve pipelining
  154. # [01:44] <snover> i feel like they ought to just do some spdy stuff
  155. # [01:45] <snover> ah well
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  157. # [01:46] <franksalim> ah well indeed. SPDY is still young. HTTP at least exists in a standard form
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  171. # [02:16] <xonecas> paul_irish: why the semicolon at the beguining of line 6 on this gist? https://gist.github.com/366184
  172. # [02:16] <bot-t> (1000 hours ago) <nimbupani> tell xonecas the partial pt-BR is now in html5-boilerplate-site: http://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site
  173. # [02:16] <paul_irish> ONE THOUSAND HOURS
  174. # [02:16] <paul_irish> ?wa 1000 hours / days
  175. # [02:16] <bot-t> paul_irish, 41.67 s/s (seconds per second)
  176. # [02:16] <paul_irish> ?wa 1000 hours in weeks
  177. # [02:16] <bot-t> paul_irish, 5.952 weeks
  178. # [02:17] <paul_irish> xonecas: it's optional. it's to protect against concatenation
  179. # [02:18] <xonecas> Yeah I went back to portugal for vacations. Glad to know I was gone for 1000 hours :-)
  180. # [02:18] <paul_irish> like if there was a (function(){ ... }) (function(){ ... })() and no semicolon between
  181. # [02:18] <paul_irish> it blows up
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  183. # [02:19] <xonecas> got it. smart stuff. by the way nice follow up on the jQuery source video, I had no idea that operators had a logical order of execution
  184. # [02:19] <xonecas> thanks for putting up the time to make such videos
  185. # [02:19] <xonecas> :-)
  186. # [02:19] <paul_irish> :)
  187. # [02:20] <xonecas> since we're in the topic, whats the difference between (function ()){} and (function (){}) ?
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  193. # [02:29] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, is there an irc channel for jquery-dev?
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  195. # [02:35] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: ;)
  196. # [02:36] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, is it jquery-dev? :)
  197. # [02:36] <antonkovalyov> ookay
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  207. # [02:47] <chromedFiz> bot-t: tell paul_irish he is awesome
  208. # [02:47] <bot-t> chromedFiz, Okay.
  209. # [02:54] <paul_irish> shh!
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  211. # [02:54] <xonecas> Where can I find the drag n drop html5 api spec?
  212. # [02:55] <xonecas> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dnd.html is this it?
  213. # [02:56] <antonkovalyov> http://www.cocktailtyper.com/
  214. # [02:57] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: awesome :-)
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  220. # [03:05] <jamesgolick> JohnBaku: sup
  221. # [03:05] <JohnBaku> jamesgolick: yo dog!
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  227. # [03:08] <JohnBaku> Stupid question... I am using media queries for a project of ours and we want to basically have the following layout, left being mobile (1 column) and right being web (2 column): https://skitch.com/kopanas/rmyfx/sketch-2011-01-24-at-08.32.24-pm.png
  228. # [03:09] <JohnBaku> Half my brain says it can't be done with floats but my other half of my brain wants to be able to do it... somehow...
  229. # [03:09] <JohnBaku> the other hack is to make carbon copy of certain sections and show and hide them based on wihch layout... mobile or web...
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  231. # [03:10] <JohnBaku> alright... ignore the new guy... I understand! :-p
  232. # [03:11] <xonecas> JohnBaku: you can provide for that using specific classes
  233. # [03:11] <xonecas> when its mobile add a .mobile class to the wrapper or body
  234. # [03:11] <xonecas> then on the media queries you overwrite the web layout, with the new layout for mobile
  235. # [03:12] <JohnBaku> xonecas: I hear you in theory but in practive I am not sure how to take section 6 and 7 abd move them above and to the right of section 5
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  237. # [03:13] <nimbupani> xonecas: yes the portuguese translation seems to be ready, but I would appreciate if you can take a look and see if anything can be fixed
  238. # [03:14] <nimbupani> (in reply to your message :))
  239. # [03:14] <xonecas> nimbupani: will do :-) (i'm actually doing that right now) can you point me to the drag and drop html5 spec I think its this one but not sure: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dnd.html
  240. # [03:14] <nimbupani> yes it is that one xonecas
  241. # [03:15] <xonecas> JohnBaku: This might sound crazy but you can use js to change the order of the document, but if you don't want to cheat, give section 5 a top margin to allow room for 6 and 7 and position these with position relative/absolute (whiever you like better)
  242. # [03:16] <xonecas> nimbupani: thanks
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  245. # [03:20] <JohnBaku> xonecas: interesting... hmm... have you ever tried using JS to move around sections in the dom on a mobile device did you notice a performance hit? (Android/iPhone)
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  249. # [03:25] <xonecas> JohnBaku: not really, if you keep the code as simple as you can it should be quick
  250. # [03:26] <xonecas> this is valid for android, I haven't tryed in iOS
  251. # [03:27] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: couldn't you just put them in the mobile order in the dom no matter what, and for larger screen media queries apply float right to them?
  252. # [03:28] <jamesgolick> Pewpewarrows: sure, but 6 and 7 will float below 5
  253. # [03:28] <Pewpewarrows> hmm
  254. # [03:29] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: thats actually smart, no they won't if you place them before 5
  255. # [03:29] <jamesgolick> but if you place them before 5, then they're before 5 in the mobile version
  256. # [03:29] <JohnBaku> jamesgolick: exactly! :-)
  257. # [03:29] <xonecas> oh yeah... ahah
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  260. # [03:30] <JohnBaku> xonecas: I think we prefer doubling up some of the HTML and doing some display and hide in the media queries...
  261. # [03:31] <JohnBaku> there must be a solution where we don't have to compromise for either the mobile or web version... or maybe not
  262. # [03:31] <Pewpewarrows> I'm hacking away at this problem instead of my deadline due tomorrow JohnBaku, we'll find something!
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  264. # [03:31] <jamesgolick> hahaha
  265. # [03:31] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: I kind of love you! :-)
  266. # [03:32] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: unless you are being sarcastic... in that case I would hate me! :-)
  267. # [03:32] <Pewpewarrows> quite serious
  268. # [03:32] <Pewpewarrows> I needed a break anyway
  269. # [03:34] <xonecas> JohnBaku: adding duplicate code should never be the solution. In the past I've used js to change the document order with success. As an after tought I would code the html for mobile and adjust the document order for the web, since you're safer expecting better js performance on the desktop
  270. # [03:36] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: I'm assuming 3,4,6,7 need flexible height for inner content, so you can't position absolute those suckers
  271. # [03:36] <JohnBaku> xonecas: the problem is with people with very old browsers... I think!?!?
  272. # [03:36] <xonecas> Even on ie 6 I'm sure you can do this with very little code
  273. # [03:36] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: on this page in specific that I am working on some are fixed and some need to be flexible....
  274. # [03:37] <Pewpewarrows> I'd actually argue the opposite, since you're more likely to find desktop browsers with js disabled
  275. # [03:37] <Pewpewarrows> but I'm conviced there's a css only solution
  276. # [03:37] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: if they have JS disabled then that is there problem Ithink
  277. # [03:37] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: I hope you are right!
  278. # [03:37] <jamesgolick> either way, with tons of different pages (like 30-50), it's pretty ugly to have a bunch of javascript around for swapping sections around
  279. # [03:37] <Pewpewarrows> there was a presentation recently regarding the future of css beyond the box model
  280. # [03:38] <Pewpewarrows> and the guy mentioned that we'll eventually be able to specify out-of-order dom elements with css
  281. # [03:38] <Pewpewarrows> obv that doesnt help us now :P
  282. # [03:41] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: which might mean it can't be done right now! :-/
  283. # [03:41] <Pewpewarrows> nope I did it, just getting the jsfiddle link for you now
  284. # [03:44] <paul_irish> nimbupani: did anton talk to you
  285. # [03:44] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/1/
  286. # [03:44] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, not yet
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  288. # [03:45] <paul_irish> okay let me know when he does
  289. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> she was not here when i wanted to talk and then i forgot
  290. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> i will need a few minutes
  291. # [03:45] <Pewpewarrows> in the mobile version have the wrapper by a smaller width and make them all float left, in the desktop make the wrapper > 2x width of them, <3x width of them, and float shit right
  292. # [03:45] <Pewpewarrows> s/by/be
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  295. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> ahhh that makes sense
  296. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> if you float the left col, then you can float the right col
  297. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> lol!
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  299. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> overthinking for the win
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  302. # [03:46] <JohnBaku> jamesgolick: how does that solve the prolem... not sure it does...
  303. # [03:47] <jamesgolick> JohnBaku: it does
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  306. # [03:50] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows and JohnBaku: the problem I don't think is with 1 through 5 but 6 and 7... know what I mean?
  307. # [03:51] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: I'm modifying the fiddle for a better example
  308. # [03:52] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: thanks buddy!
  309. # [03:52] <nimbupani> paul_irish: no
  310. # [03:52] <nimbupani> what about?
  311. # [03:52] <paul_irish> new project.
  312. # [03:52] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, hey!
  313. # [03:52] <nimbupani> ooo
  314. # [03:53] <nimbupani> hey antonkovalyov!
  315. # [03:54] <paul_irish> nimbu i pushed dorwards commits live without looking at them
  316. # [03:54] <nimbupani> omg wai!
  317. # [03:55] <paul_irish> whynot
  318. # [03:55] <nimbupani> i will look tonite
  319. # [03:55] <nimbupani> iunno
  320. # [03:55] <paul_irish> :)
  321. # [03:55] <nimbupani> he seems slightly pedantic
  322. # [03:55] <paul_irish> slightly? loooool
  323. # [03:55] <nimbupani> :)
  324. # [03:55] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, we're doing a community-driven fork of jslint, called jshint. it will be not insane, will have helpful messages, etc. i was working on an actual library fork for a few days and now we're ready to go public. paul_irish's friend is even willing to contribute jshint.com to that project. we don't want to use jslint.com design since 1) it is very ugly and 2) we don't want to confuse people. so we need design help and though
  325. # [03:55] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, done. talked to nimbupani
  326. # [03:55] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
  327. # [03:55] <nimbupani> neet
  328. # [03:55] <paul_irish> well done antonkovalyov
  329. # [03:56] <nimbupani> where is at?
  330. # [03:56] <nimbupani> ?g github antonkovalyov
  331. # [03:56] <bot-t> nimbupani, Pull Request Bugfix for #7945 by antonkovalyov for jquery's ... - https://github.com/jquery/jquery/pull/181
  332. # [03:56] <nimbupani> O_O
  333. # [03:56] <paul_irish> whoops
  334. # [03:56] <paul_irish> github.com/jshint/jshint
  335. # [03:56] <antonkovalyov> ?g github jshint
  336. # [03:56] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, ryanmcgrath/wrench-js - GitHub - https://github.com/ryanmcgrath/wrench-js
  337. # [03:56] <antonkovalyov> damn
  338. # [03:56] <nimbupani> you will get there soon antonkovalyov
  339. # [03:56] <nimbupani> okayyy i see it
  340. # [03:57] <paul_irish> ?g jslint
  341. # [03:57] <bot-t> paul_irish, JSLint, The JavaScript Code Quality Tool - http://www.jslint.com/
  342. # [03:57] <nimbupani> OMG so horribs
  343. # [03:57] <paul_irish> it is a fork of that ^ people are used to that design.. fwiw
  344. # [03:57] <nimbupani> like my first website
  345. # [03:57] <nimbupani> okay
  346. # [03:57] <antonkovalyov> i didn't know that #7945 is the first result on "antonkovalyov github" search
  347. # [03:57] <nimbupani> now you do!
  348. # [03:57] <nimbupani> ?g nimbupani
  349. # [03:57] <bot-t> nimbupani, Nimbupani Designs | standards based web design - http://nimbupani.com/
  350. # [03:57] <nimbupani> thnz bot-t
  351. # [03:58] <nimbupani> okayy so obviously there is no markup yet and all
  352. # [03:58] <nimbupani> can u make this public domain? or u gotta obey crockford license? :/
  353. # [03:59] <antonkovalyov> the actual lib?
  354. # [03:59] <nimbupani> yeah :)
  355. # [03:59] <antonkovalyov> i asked paul, he said that we need to have crock's license block
  356. # [03:59] <antonkovalyov> very lame, i know
  357. # [03:59] <nimbupani> sucks
  358. # [03:59] <paul_irish> his is MIT. we can't public domain a deriv of MIT
  359. # [04:00] <nimbupani> ya ya ya
  360. # [04:00] <nimbupani> anyone asked crock about it? :)
  361. # [04:00] <paul_irish> course not.
  362. # [04:00] <antonkovalyov> i don't want to email him :)
  363. # [04:00] <nimbupani> someone should!
  364. # [04:00] <xonecas> nimbupani: just sent the pull request, fixed small things that didn't made sense.
  365. # [04:00] <paul_irish> i mean.. actually yes.
  366. # [04:00] <antonkovalyov> he is mean
  367. # [04:00] <antonkovalyov> i am scared
  368. # [04:00] <paul_irish> http://wonko.com/post/jsmin-isnt-welcome-on-google-code
  369. # [04:00] <paul_irish> read that if you REALLY care about jslint's licensing
  370. # [04:01] <paul_irish> which you shouldnt
  371. # [04:01] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: I see what you mean, running into some weird float issues when the heights are messed with
  372. # [04:01] <nimbupani> ok ok ok
  373. # [04:01] <xonecas> paul_irish: better watch out, or the crock will get you :-)
  374. # [04:01] <paul_irish> ?crock @ xonecas
  375. # [04:01] <bot-t> xonecas, Your sadly pathetic bleatings are harshing my mellow.
  376. # [04:02] <nimbupani> o neet xonecas!
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  378. # [04:02] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: and what happens when you don't define height?
  379. # [04:02] <xonecas> :-)
  380. # [04:02] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: well I'm defining height just to mimic variable-sized height content in them
  381. # [04:02] <Pewpewarrows> not as a styling tool
  382. # [04:02] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: ahh... ok
  383. # [04:02] <nimbupani> Pewpewarrows: what are you attempting to do?
  384. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: https://skitch.com/kopanas/rmyfx/sketch-2011-01-24-at-08.32.24-pm.png
  385. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> left mobile, right desktop
  386. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> pure css
  387. # [04:03] <antonkovalyov> sooo nimbupani you in?
  388. # [04:03] <nimbupani> yeah thats not even a q antonkovalyov
  389. # [04:03] <antonkovalyov> cooooool
  390. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> closest I've gotten is: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/5/
  391. # [04:04] <Pewpewarrows> take out the desktop class to make it into the mobile version
  392. # [04:04] <nimbupani> what do I do next antonkovalyov? just put a wireframe like thing?
  393. # [04:04] <nimbupani> i think putting 3/4 and 2 like that is not an issue
  394. # [04:05] <nimbupani> but 6/7 is not smthing that immediately comes to mind.
  395. # [04:05] <jamesgolick> Pewpewarrows: JohnBaku: adding a clear: left; seems to fix the height problem
  396. # [04:05] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: oh snap
  397. # [04:05] <jamesgolick> to #a, #c, #e
  398. # [04:06] <nimbupani> thats almost close Pewpewarrows!
  399. # [04:06] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, ya; jshint.com should have the same functionality as jslint.com — you put your code, we check it with jshint and show you messages (with explanation!)
  400. # [04:06] <antonkovalyov> i will do the coding part
  401. # [04:06] <nimbupani> neet obv
  402. # [04:06] <antonkovalyov> i think we decided to use jekyll
  403. # [04:07] <nimbupani> oh kay i have worked with that before
  404. # [04:07] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: that works almost perfectly, except that when the 3 & 4 have small height there's a big gap between 4 & 6
  405. # [04:07] <jamesgolick> hmm
  406. # [04:07] <jamesgolick> send me what you're working on?
  407. # [04:07] <jamesgolick> can you update that jsfiddle?
  408. # [04:08] <Pewpewarrows> yeah
  409. # [04:08] <antonkovalyov> ya jekyll is awesome
  410. # [04:08] <nimbupani> can you not min-height it Pewpewarrows
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  412. # [04:08] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, we need a separate repo for site
  413. # [04:08] <Pewpewarrows> latest version: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/9/
  414. # [04:08] <antonkovalyov> ?tell paul_irish create jshint-site repo please
  415. # [04:08] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Okay.
  416. # [04:08] <nimbupani> yes, we could have it within jshit account antonkovalyov?
  417. # [04:08] <paul_irish> btw if anyone's curious.. logs of this channel are at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
  418. # [04:08] <bot-t> (4 secs ago) <antonkovalyov> tell paul_irish create jshint-site repo please
  419. # [04:09] <nimbupani> hint*
  420. # [04:09] <nimbupani> ADD ME paul_irish
  421. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish owns jshint account
  422. # [04:09] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: do we? why cant it be in the same folder
  423. # [04:09] <paul_irish> same repo rather
  424. # [04:09] <nimbupani> keep it clean paul_irish
  425. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, because it sucks when the lib has site's code
  426. # [04:09] <nimbupani> yeah
  427. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> most of the people don't care about site's code
  428. # [04:09] <nimbupani> its not like modernizr's site code exists
  429. # [04:09] <nimbupani> in same repo
  430. # [04:09] <paul_irish> but it'll just be a single index.html file
  431. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> when was the last time you cared about jslint.com source? :)
  432. # [04:10] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: I would, but I think JohnBaku would prefer it to work regardless of content height in each block
  433. # [04:10] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, not necessarilly
  434. # [04:10] <nimbupani> paul_irish: 2 of 3 people prefer separate repo
  435. # [04:10] <antonkovalyov> since it is community driven we might want to have some changelog shit at some point
  436. # [04:10] <paul_irish> 1 of 1 who owns the acct
  437. # [04:11] <paul_irish> doesnt
  438. # [04:11] * nimbupani pffts
  439. # [04:11] <paul_irish> ?cc @ nimbupani
  440. # [04:11] <bot-t> nimbupani, CASE CLOASED >: |
  441. # [04:11] <Pewpewarrows> lol
  442. # [04:11] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: this is an outrage
  443. # [04:11] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, stop pulling crock on us
  444. # [04:11] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
  445. # [04:11] <xonecas> LOL
  446. # [04:11] <xonecas> paul_irish: you seem to get along with bot-t
  447. # [04:11] <paul_irish> we're best friends.
  448. # [04:11] <xonecas> I can see that!
  449. # [04:12] <nimbupani> botty is everyone's friend
  450. # [04:12] <nimbupani> bot-t: are you my friend?
  451. # [04:12] <bot-t> nimbupani, Don't count on it.
  452. # [04:12] <nimbupani> :'(
  453. # [04:12] <xonecas> ahaha
  454. # [04:12] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: alllllright but .. keeping the jshint.js up to date in the site repo is your problem :)
  455. # [04:12] <xonecas> if I can help with coding for the jshint, i would love to, sounds like an great project
  456. # [04:12] <nimbupani> obvvvv
  457. # [04:12] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, ya
  458. # [04:13] <nimbupani> dinner tyme
  459. # [04:13] <antonkovalyov> ya; going home time :)
  460. # [04:13] <antonkovalyov> laters
  461. # [04:13] <paul_irish> jshint/site ? yeah i think so
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  463. # [04:14] <paul_irish> k. both yall added.
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  465. # [04:15] <jamesgolick> Pewpewarrows: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/10/
  466. # [04:15] <antonkovalyov> sweet thx paul_irish
  467. # [04:16] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: on reflection i want site separate so that the commit history for /jshint is clean
  468. # [04:16] <nimbupani> ON REFLECTION
  469. # [04:17] <antonkovalyov> i knew that you will see the truth paul_irish
  470. # [04:17] <paul_irish> ?shiftkey
  471. # [04:17] <bot-t> http://paulirish.com/i/shiftkey.jpg
  472. # [04:17] <antonkovalyov> i never stopped believing in you
  473. # [04:17] <nimbupani> oops :x
  474. # [04:17] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: same issue with tall left-side ones and short right-side ones
  475. # [04:17] <jamesgolick> I don't see the issue
  476. # [04:17] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/9/
  477. # [04:17] <Pewpewarrows> wait
  478. # [04:18] <Pewpewarrows> http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/11/
  479. # [04:18] <jamesgolick> http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/12/
  480. # [04:18] <jamesgolick> err ^?
  481. # [04:19] <jamesgolick> oh, I didn't try making 2 bigger
  482. # [04:19] <Pewpewarrows> yeah that's the issue
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  491. # [04:34] <chromedFiz> paul_irish: do you have one of the cr48's?
  492. # [04:36] <paul_irish> if i said i did i'm afraid people would jump me for it. so ummm.. let's just say i'm _on_ the chrome team.
  493. # [04:36] <chromedFiz> hehe
  494. # [04:37] <chromedFiz> i loooove mine :P
  495. # [04:37] <chromedFiz> once i get cloudeide setup ill be set for on the road dev :D
  496. # [04:37] <chromedFiz> cloud9ide i mean
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  498. # [04:45] <xonecas> chromedFiz: I got one awesome little thing
  499. # [04:45] <chromedFiz> ?
  500. # [04:45] <chromedFiz> oh
  501. # [04:45] <chromedFiz> nm
  502. # [04:45] <xonecas> the cr48
  503. # [04:46] <xonecas> what do you mean the cloud9ide ?
  504. # [04:46] <xonecas> I just used the Luigi bootloader to install archlinux
  505. # [04:46] <chromedFiz> its a really nice ajax.org project
  506. # [04:46] <chromedFiz> web based IDE
  507. # [04:47] <chromedFiz> i had ubuntu on mine but im trying to stick to chromos so i can be the best pilot tester i can be :P
  508. # [04:47] <xonecas> eheh
  509. # [04:48] <xonecas> I still use chrome os, I only bring out the arch for heavy lifting
  510. # [04:48] <chromedFiz> you can osx on it too but it dont have video acceleration
  511. # [04:48] <xonecas> (like when I need a native app, or to access/manipulate external drives)
  512. # [04:48] <chromedFiz> you can put
  513. # [04:48] <xonecas> osx ports are always kind of shady imho
  514. # [04:49] <chromedFiz> no native osx
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  517. # [04:49] <xonecas> and my fav sys is arch linux so I'm happy
  518. # [04:49] <chromedFiz> with a few kext and the chameleon bootloader
  519. # [04:49] <xonecas> I would think its really slow thou
  520. # [04:49] <chromedFiz> it is kinda
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  522. # [04:50] <xonecas> yeah, I had to use xmonad wm on linux for a more responsive ui
  523. # [04:50] <xonecas> dwm is a good option to
  524. # [04:50] <xonecas> too
  525. # [04:50] <chromedFiz> but even linux is slow unless you use the chromos kernel
  526. # [04:50] <xonecas> I don't notice that much, but then again I did compile the kernel for the cr48
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  533. # [05:03] <paul_irish> anyone have feedback on this proposed humans.txt ?
  534. # [05:03] <paul_irish> http://oksoclap.com/fhl41FrKNb
  535. # [05:07] <chromedFiz> that going to be the default in boilerplate?
  536. # [05:07] <paul_irish> ya
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  538. # [05:07] <chromedFiz> wow is that live editing
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  540. # [05:08] <xonecas> paul_irish: you nailed it, now I want to see that start everywhere :-)
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  542. # [05:09] <xonecas> do you think that there is a need for a drag and drop shim?
  543. # [05:09] <paul_irish> for who
  544. # [05:09] <paul_irish> it's got good coverage
  545. # [05:09] <paul_irish> http://caniuse.com/#feat=dragndrop 95%
  546. # [05:09] <xonecas> yeah from every other library, but in the pollyfills page you list none
  547. # [05:09] <paul_irish> s'true
  548. # [05:10] <paul_irish> i think it's okay.. wouldnt be super useful
  549. # [05:10] <xonecas> what would be super useful at this point (I need something to do)
  550. # [05:10] <paul_irish> pm.
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  555. # [05:33] <thatryan> anyone have foodz? gimme
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  557. # [05:48] <chromedFiz> i had pizza tonight :D
  558. # [05:48] <thatryan> damn you
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  562. # [05:53] <chromedFiz> it was good too
  563. # [05:54] <chromedFiz> from what i was told anyways im sick so my taste buds are dead
  564. # [05:57] <NiftyLettuce> h264 oh noez
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  568. # [06:09] <thatryan> too sick to taste pizza??? that is so not fair man i am sorry! :p
  569. # [06:14] <thatryan> what are you peoples working on
  570. # [06:14] <chromedFiz> im working on boring crap for a client
  571. # [06:14] <thatryan> blah
  572. # [06:14] <chromedFiz> can javascript reverse dns a domain?
  573. # [06:15] <thatryan> thats beyond me, i would think no though
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  581. # [06:22] <tw2113> can i speak again yet?
  582. # [06:22] <tw2113> :D
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  586. # [06:23] <thatryan> NO!
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  589. # [06:25] <tw2113> paul told me to shhh earlier, i listened
  590. # [06:25] <thatryan> were you put in timeout?
  591. # [06:25] <tw2113> try that with a female! ha!
  592. # [06:25] <thatryan> lol
  593. # [06:26] <tw2113> except jacine, she would listen
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  596. # [06:26] <nimbupani> wut?
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  598. # [06:27] <tw2113> nimbupani too would listen
  599. # [06:27] <tw2113> other than that, just being a chauvinistic pig
  600. # [06:28] <thatryan> wait there are TWO GIRLS in here?
  601. # [06:28] <thatryan> wwwhoooaaa
  602. # [06:29] <tw2113> crikey...no wonder i was warm. turns out it's 80 in here and my heater is working
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  604. # [06:32] <tw2113> don't mind me in those moments nimbupani i don't actually mean it, and am always just playfully ribbing
  605. # [06:34] <nimbupani> http://rel.ly/2011/01/24/unfunny/
  606. # [06:36] <tw2113> well played
  607. # [06:36] <tw2113> i better listen more
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  610. # [06:46] <tw2113> aye, i should probably learn some javascript more sooner than later
  611. # [06:46] <thatryan> yes
  612. # [06:46] <thatryan> do that
  613. # [06:46] <thatryan> :D
  614. # [06:46] <tw2113> if anything, more jquery
  615. # [06:46] <tw2113> but probably the first
  616. # [06:47] <tw2113> i have general logic down at least thanks to php, just a matter of syntax
  617. # [06:47] <thatryan> word
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  621. # [07:07] <antonkovalyov> shit, github is down
  622. # [07:08] <tw2113> zomg!
  623. # [07:08] <tw2113> the apocalypse is here! save yourself!
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  626. # [07:13] <nimbupani> ?down github.com
  627. # [07:13] <bot-t> nimbupani, It's not just you! - http://github.com looks down from here.
  628. # [07:13] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: would have been funnier had you said "git, shithub is down"
  629. # [07:13] <nimbupani> O NO
  630. # [07:14] <thatryan> :)
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  632. # [07:18] <xonecas> https://github.com/blog/776-scheduled-maintenance-tonight-at-22-00-pst
  633. # [07:23] <antonkovalyov> GITHUB HAS NO RIGHT FOR DOWNTIME ANYMORE. THEY ARE TOO IMPORTANT
  634. # [07:24] <antonkovalyov> sorry for the caps, people. got confused
  635. # [07:24] <Pewpewarrows> is their blog really on their main server
  636. # [07:24] <antonkovalyov> google never has schedule maintenance
  637. # [07:24] <Pewpewarrows> I can't even read the schedule maintenance post
  638. # [07:24] <Pewpewarrows> BAWWWWWW
  639. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> like tumblr using tumblr for their status page
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  641. # [07:25] <Pewpewarrows> I thought google code had pretty regular scheduled maintenance
  642. # [07:25] <tw2113> madness sans-sparta?
  643. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> nobody cares about google code
  644. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> :)
  645. # [07:25] <Pewpewarrows> :P
  646. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> i am talking search and gmail
  647. # [07:26] <Pewpewarrows> search and gmail have transcended the idea of servers, they just 'exist'
  648. # [07:27] <Pewpewarrows> so github and reddit's down, now wtf am I supposed to do
  649. # [07:27] <nimbupani> WORK Pewpewarrows
  650. # [07:27] <Pewpewarrows> I REFUSE
  651. # [07:27] <nimbupani> or do some lazyweb requests
  652. # [07:27] <nimbupani> oops :|
  653. # [07:27] <nimbupani> you cant
  654. # [07:27] <tw2113> tweet your frustration
  655. # [07:27] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, exactly :)
  656. # [07:27] <Pewpewarrows> rofl
  657. # [07:28] <nimbupani> then Pewpewarrows I recommend the excellent w3 specs for your perusal
  658. # [07:29] <Pewpewarrows> well I have like 2 dozen things I should be working on
  659. # [07:29] <Pewpewarrows> but I'm talking about procrastination here
  660. # [07:29] <nimbupani> yes clearly have you tried popsugar.com?
  661. # [07:29] <nimbupani> excellent cure for it.
  662. # [07:30] <Pewpewarrows> wtf is this
  663. # [07:30] <tw2113> looks like celebrity gossip
  664. # [07:30] <nimbupani> obviously
  665. # [07:30] <nimbupani> it makes me sick
  666. # [07:30] <nimbupani> so i get to work quicker
  667. # [07:31] <Pewpewarrows> excellent strategy :)
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  669. # [07:33] <antonkovalyov> OMG Andrew Garfield and Shannon Woodward Make Time For Movie Night
  670. # [07:34] <antonkovalyov> i need to get more about this story
  671. # [07:34] <nimbupani> why are you even reading that shit O_O
  672. # [07:34] <nimbupani> https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/HTML%20Security%20Policy
  673. # [07:35] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, you linked to it
  674. # [07:35] <antonkovalyov> i trusted you
  675. # [07:35] <nimbupani> sry antonkovalyov
  676. # [07:35] <nimbupani> i betrayed your trust.
  677. # [07:36] <nimbupani> i hope i shall earn it back again smday
  678. # [07:37] <antonkovalyov> hah
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  680. # [07:37] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, is there anything interesting in seattle besides space needle?
  681. # [07:37] <nimbupani> lotsss
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  683. # [07:38] <nimbupani> depends on how hipster you are
  684. # [07:38] <tw2113> be a 90s hipster, hunt down grunge artifects
  685. # [07:38] <antonkovalyov> i dunno
  686. # [07:38] <nimbupani> coz i only know hipster stuff
  687. # [07:39] <tw2113> artifacts?
  688. # [07:39] <tw2113> that looks more right
  689. # [07:39] <nimbupani> all these clubbing, drinking places are unknown to me
  690. # [07:39] <antonkovalyov> seattle is just close enough to make it a weekend vacation; i did once but that was all the touristy shit like starbucks and needle
  691. # [07:39] <nimbupani> o noes yeah those are terrible
  692. # [07:39] <antonkovalyov> what is hipster stuff?
  693. # [07:40] <nimbupani> farmers markets/ restaurants/ live-music/indie coffee/museums/book readings/ walking in parks/cycling
  694. # [07:40] <antonkovalyov> you just described berkeley
  695. # [07:40] <antonkovalyov> i live here :)
  696. # [07:40] <nimbupani> yes :|
  697. # [07:40] <nimbupani> all hipster hoods are same
  698. # [07:40] <nimbupani> EXCEPT
  699. # [07:40] <nimbupani> seattle is surrounded by snow capped mountains
  700. # [07:40] <nimbupani> cant beat that
  701. # [07:40] <nimbupani> ever
  702. # [07:41] <nimbupani> especially on a clear day unlike today
  703. # [07:41] <nimbupani> plus seattle coffee rawk
  704. # [07:41] <nimbupani> no other place everr for best coffee
  705. # [07:41] <nimbupani> everr
  706. # [07:41] <antonkovalyov> hmm
  707. # [07:42] <antonkovalyov> you sure have lots of starbucks spots :)
  708. # [07:42] <nimbupani> GROSS
  709. # [07:42] <antonkovalyov> hey i have gold membership there :)
  710. # [07:42] <nimbupani> only non-hipsters there
  711. # [07:42] <nimbupani> GEEZ antonkovalyov
  712. # [07:42] <nimbupani> thats the worst you could possibly have done
  713. # [07:42] <nimbupani> everr
  714. # [07:42] <nimbupani> gold membership at starbucks!!!
  715. # [07:43] * nimbupani is disappoint
  716. # [07:43] <tw2113> my city here in SD has 2 starbucks on an intersection
  717. # [07:43] <nimbupani> omg
  718. # [07:43] <nimbupani> i can understand SD tw2113
  719. # [07:43] <nimbupani> not berkeley
  720. # [07:43] <nimbupani> no wai
  721. # [07:43] <tw2113> there's one in a Barnes N Noble, across the diagonal street, a standalone
  722. # [07:43] <antonkovalyov> i do much less starbucks since i moved here though
  723. # [07:44] <nimbupani> you should do NONE
  724. # [07:44] <antonkovalyov> why, they have decent coffee
  725. # [07:44] <antonkovalyov> plus, almost all indie coffee shops still buy starbucks coffee :)
  726. # [07:44] <tw2113> it's all about the Caribou Coffee
  727. # [07:44] <antonkovalyov> starbucks is the biggest coffee beans producer/reseller in the country
  728. # [07:44] <nimbupani> WTF
  729. # [07:44] <nimbupani> who does
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  731. # [07:45] <antonkovalyov> they might not be branded starbucks
  732. # [07:45] <nimbupani> you have the wrong indie shops then
  733. # [07:45] <antonkovalyov> but it's like seattles best coffee still the same shit :)
  734. # [07:45] <nimbupani> thats disgusting
  735. # [07:45] <nimbupani> who the eff goes there
  736. # [07:45] <nimbupani> or tullys
  737. # [07:45] <nimbupani> or peets even
  738. # [07:45] <nimbupani> dare i say
  739. # [07:45] <tw2113> i rotate between coffee shops actually
  740. # [07:45] <tw2113> one called Black Sheep Coffee that does a lot of their own roasting
  741. # [07:46] <tw2113> Dunn Bros has a location
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  743. # [07:46] <antonkovalyov> i fucking hate peets
  744. # [07:46] <tw2113> a bakery below where our office is at the moment
  745. # [07:46] <nimbupani> well antonkovalyov i have to investigatae this starbucks thing but I dont think hipsters i know would allow it
  746. # [07:46] <antonkovalyov> same shit, just pretentious
  747. # [07:46] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
  748. # [07:46] <tw2113> and a small drive up shack named Cappuccino Cabin
  749. # [07:46] <nimbupani> neet tw2113
  750. # [07:47] <antonkovalyov> real hipsters must drink turkish coffee
  751. # [07:47] <nimbupani> i agree
  752. # [07:47] <nimbupani> we have good turkish coffee at pike place
  753. # [07:47] <tw2113> REALLY real hipsters roast their own
  754. # [07:47] <nimbupani> which has good shit for non-tourits
  755. # [07:47] <antonkovalyov> pike place? where the first STARBUCKS is? :)
  756. # [07:47] <nimbupani> toursits even
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  758. # [07:47] <nimbupani> who the eff goes there
  759. # [07:47] <nimbupani> except bloody tourists
  760. # [07:47] <nimbupani> but usually the best buskers are outside that shop
  761. # [07:48] <nimbupani> coz they get most money there.
  762. # [07:48] <antonkovalyov> but if i drink the same amount of turkish coffee as i do with american, i'll be dead in a week
  763. # [07:48] <nimbupani> always good music ouotside.
  764. # [07:48] <antonkovalyov> ya music is awesome there
  765. # [07:48] <tw2113> drink drip coffee, save $3/round
  766. # [07:48] <nimbupani> i only drink coffee twice a day, double shot lattes
  767. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> oookay
  768. # [07:49] <nimbupani> i am not dead yet
  769. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> lattes is the same in starbucks as everywhere
  770. # [07:49] <nimbupani> NO WAI
  771. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> it is so fucking hard to make a latte bad
  772. # [07:49] <nimbupani> NO NO NO
  773. # [07:49] <nimbupani> it is possible
  774. # [07:49] <nimbupani> then u havent had good lattes!
  775. # [07:49] <nimbupani> EVER
  776. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> we also have free redbull in the office
  777. # [07:49] <nimbupani> thats the only coffee i like O_O
  778. # [07:50] <antonkovalyov> but i stopped drinking it recently :)
  779. # [07:50] <antonkovalyov> i had my fair amount of latte
  780. # [07:50] <antonkovalyov> lattes*
  781. # [07:50] <nimbupani> the only time i attempted redbull was when i was in university and it didnt blasted work
  782. # [07:50] <tw2113> i haven't touched an energy drink since august, i believe
  783. # [07:50] <nimbupani> :/ how can u say then people can do latte the same way?!!
  784. # [07:50] <tw2113> and that was when i was up and at work by 6am for 12 hours at a time
  785. # [07:50] <nimbupani> its espresso + milk
  786. # [07:51] <nimbupani> how how can it be made uniformly!
  787. # [07:51] <antonkovalyov> exactly
  788. # [07:51] <antonkovalyov> espresso + milk
  789. # [07:51] <nimbupani> pardon me but americano is the suckiest way to drink coffee
  790. # [07:51] <nimbupani> espresso is not eassyy!
  791. # [07:51] <tw2113> ratio
  792. # [07:51] <antonkovalyov> when i meant american, i meant normal coffee (black coffee) not americano :)
  793. # [07:52] <tw2113> wow my twitter stream died, i haven't seen an update in 23 minutes
  794. # [07:52] <nimbupani> black coffee is when i am dead and need rescue
  795. # [07:52] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, you kidding? :) most espresso machines don't even require human intervention
  796. # [07:53] <nimbupani> WATT
  797. # [07:53] <nimbupani> coffee grounds matter!
  798. # [07:53] <nimbupani> and when they are ground!
  799. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> ya just ground just before you make a drink
  800. # [07:53] <nimbupani> coffee shops here GRIND it before they make those coffees IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES
  801. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> and you're good
  802. # [07:53] <nimbupani> yeahhh
  803. # [07:53] <shichuan> tw2113, twitter site is dman slow, i am wondering if they actually have a engineering team
  804. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> err grind
  805. # [07:53] <nimbupani> quite unlike bloody starbucks
  806. # [07:53] <shichuan> *damn
  807. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> starbucks grind like every 5-10 minutes
  808. # [07:54] <nimbupani> not the same
  809. # [07:54] <chromedFiz> all coffee taste like dirt i dunno why people spend so much money on dirt
  810. # [07:54] <nimbupani> O_O
  811. # [07:54] <nimbupani> coz we are hipsters
  812. # [07:54] <tw2113> it's an acquired taste
  813. # [07:54] <tw2113> much like beer
  814. # [07:54] <antonkovalyov> much like everything
  815. # [07:54] <antonkovalyov> except for chocolate
  816. # [07:55] <nimbupani> o yet to acquire any taste for it O_O
  817. # [07:55] <tw2113> i grew a taste for expensive beer :D
  818. # [07:55] <chromedFiz> lol
  819. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> chocolate is awesoooome
  820. # [07:55] <nimbupani> only dark chocolate
  821. # [07:55] <tw2113> don't pester me with budlight
  822. # [07:55] <chromedFiz> stimulants are bad emmm kay
  823. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> just for you nimbupani i am gonna find the most hipsterish place in berkeley
  824. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> with the best coffee
  825. # [07:55] <nimbupani> OKAY
  826. # [07:55] <nimbupani> yes
  827. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> and i will make a blind taste, starbucks v. indie
  828. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> we'll see
  829. # [07:55] <nimbupani> and report back!
  830. # [07:56] <nimbupani> yes
  831. # [07:56] <nimbupani> it WILL BE BETTEr
  832. # [07:56] <tw2113> blog post it
  833. # [07:56] <antonkovalyov> hm
  834. # [07:56] <antonkovalyov> how do you find hipster places?
  835. # [07:56] <tw2113> with a hipster compass
  836. # [07:57] <antonkovalyov> yelp has the best rating for peet's
  837. # [07:57] <nimbupani> o gross
  838. # [07:57] <nimbupani> follow the college crowd
  839. # [07:57] <nimbupani> or where homeless-like but clean people hang out
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  841. # [07:57] <tw2113> hate mainstream things
  842. # [07:57] <xonecas_> anyone able to clone repos?
  843. # [07:57] <antonkovalyov> hmm
  844. # [07:57] <xonecas_> from git?
  845. # [07:57] <nimbupani> is github not down?
  846. # [07:57] <tw2113> github is down
  847. # [07:57] <xonecas_> its back up
  848. # [07:57] <xonecas_> I guess somewhat
  849. # [07:58] <antonkovalyov> github is up!
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  851. # [07:58] <xonecas_> if not, thats the loguest 20m maintenance I've seen
  852. # [07:58] <antonkovalyov> woohoo
  853. # [07:58] <tw2113> antonkovalyov look for people who look like these http://www.latfh.com/
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  855. # [07:58] <nimbupani> no no no
  856. # [07:58] <antonkovalyov> haha
  857. # [07:59] <tw2113> if they're carrying anything pabst blue ribbon related...it's a good bet
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  859. # [07:59] <antonkovalyov> i know how hipsters look like
  860. # [08:00] <antonkovalyov> i live in berkeley and work in san francisco
  861. # [08:00] <tw2113> good point
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  863. # [08:00] <nimbupani> o its not too far
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  865. # [08:00] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: should come to hayward, and see the gangsta hipsters ahah
  866. # [08:01] <tw2113> lol http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0grrxPzKC1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg
  867. # [08:02] <tw2113> oh yeah, i love hipsterhitler.com
  868. # [08:02] <nimbupani> i hope you visited the sci-fi museum antonkovalyov
  869. # [08:02] <nimbupani> best thing ever
  870. # [08:02] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, oh yeah it was awesome
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  872. # [08:02] <nimbupani> i h ear some star wars exhibit is gonna come
  873. # [08:02] <nimbupani> ?g scifi museum star wars
  874. # [08:02] <bot-t> nimbupani, Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame, Seattle, Washington - http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/22516
  875. # [08:02] <antonkovalyov> i actually was looking for the ghost in the shell poster
  876. # [08:02] <nimbupani> did you find one?
  877. # [08:02] <antonkovalyov> need to look again
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  879. # [08:03] * tw2113 needs to manage to afford to leave SD from time to time
  880. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> nah i gave up after like a day :)
  881. # [08:03] <nimbupani> he he he
  882. # [08:03] <nimbupani> i got the tron poster from the film forum sale last june
  883. # [08:03] <nimbupani> new tron tho :/
  884. # [08:03] <thatryan> tw2113: dont worry, i drove to sf for meetup last week and that counted as my finally leaving the house this month ;)
  885. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> oh dont start me on tron
  886. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> HATE HATE HATE
  887. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> dumbest storyline ever
  888. # [08:04] <tw2113> thatryan you do realize that SD = South Dakota
  889. # [08:04] <nimbupani> ?slap antonkovalyov
  890. # [08:04] * bot-t slaps antonkovalyov around a bit with a large trout
  891. # [08:04] <antonkovalyov> :_D
  892. # [08:04] <nimbupani> how can you?
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  894. # [08:04] <nimbupani> who cares about the story line!?!
  895. # [08:04] <thatryan> tw2113: nope! lol in cali SD is San Diego dammit!
  896. # [08:04] <antonkovalyov> i do!
  897. # [08:04] <nimbupani> as tho TOS had any!
  898. # [08:04] <nimbupani> its just awes shit
  899. # [08:04] <xonecas_> ahah the new tron had a sucky story, but it was awesome in Imax 3d :-)
  900. # [08:04] <tw2113> yeah, i hate that part thatryan
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  902. # [08:04] <nimbupani> so cute and adorbs
  903. # [08:04] <tw2113> i heard (and saw) that the original tron had a weak storyline and awesome graphics
  904. # [08:05] <tw2113> at least for the early 80s
  905. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> YOD?
  906. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> err
  907. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> TOS?
  908. # [08:05] <thatryan> i have not seen any trons
  909. # [08:05] <nimbupani> ?w star trek TOS
  910. # [08:05] <bot-t> nimbupani, Star Trek: The Original Series - Star Trek is a science fiction television series, created by Gene Roddenberry, that was telecast in the United States of America and southern Canada by NBC-TV from September 8, 1966, through June 3, 1969. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series
  911. # [08:05] <thatryan> LONG LIVE TNG!
  912. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> ah
  913. # [08:05] <nimbupani> well i am happy tron exists
  914. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> tos has a better storyline
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  916. # [08:05] <nimbupani> it has literally none
  917. # [08:05] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: no yuo!
  918. # [08:05] <tw2113> star wars > star trek
  919. # [08:05] <xonecas_> nimbupani: I'm with you I like tron
  920. # [08:05] <tw2113> and even then, i'm no huge fan
  921. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> or the first star wars
  922. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> jesus, how dumb it is :)
  923. # [08:06] <thatryan> man we are dorks
  924. # [08:06] <xonecas_> thatryan: ahahahha
  925. # [08:06] <nimbupani> rllly antonkovalyov you have no taste
  926. # [08:06] <nimbupani> how dumb it seems
  927. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> on the other hand, look at ghost in the shell
  928. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> or blade runner
  929. # [08:06] <nimbupani> thats precisely the idea!
  930. # [08:06] <nimbupani> its just cheesy lovable shit you grow up with
  931. # [08:06] <nimbupani> even tho i watched tron for the first time last year
  932. # [08:06] <tw2113> nerdiest thing I tend to watch is Big Bang Theory
  933. # [08:06] <tw2113> at least in the traditional sense
  934. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> i watched tron for the first time a few weeks ago
  935. # [08:07] * xonecas_ is angry at github because its not letting me clone a repo :-(
  936. # [08:07] <nimbupani> but i can IMAGINE being nostalgic about tron
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  938. # [08:07] <antonkovalyov> nostalgic — yes
  939. # [08:07] <antonkovalyov> calling it a good movie — no :)
  940. # [08:07] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: but you can't call it a bad movie
  941. # [08:07] <antonkovalyov> xonecas_, it is not black and white :)
  942. # [08:07] <nimbupani> good movie is a matter of opinion
  943. # [08:07] <xonecas_> a bad movie is the attack of the killer tomatoes, thats a bad movie
  944. # [08:08] <tw2113> JAR JAR BINKS IS THE GREATEST EVA!
  945. # [08:08] <xonecas_> I'm sure there is an aceptable rating that will make everyone happy ahaha
  946. # [08:08] <tw2113> jk don't hurt me
  947. # [08:08] <nimbupani> boring only avatar is next on sfm
  948. # [08:08] <antonkovalyov> hackers forever!
  949. # [08:08] <thatryan> tw2113: go sit in the corner
  950. # [08:08] <antonkovalyov> i actually like hackers :)
  951. # [08:08] <xonecas_> anton me too
  952. # [08:08] <thatryan> i like angelina jolie
  953. # [08:08] <antonkovalyov> but the movie is dumb
  954. # [08:09] <tw2113> ick! thatryan go sit in te other corner
  955. # [08:09] <xonecas_> operation swordfish :-)
  956. # [08:09] <tw2113> the
  957. # [08:09] <thatryan> lol
  958. # [08:09] <nimbupani> ha ha ha
  959. # [08:09] <nimbupani> even i laughed at it
  960. # [08:09] <antonkovalyov> i also like the lawnmower man
  961. # [08:09] <thatryan> as long as she comes with me
  962. # [08:09] <antonkovalyov> and that movie is not dumb, as far as i remember
  963. # [08:09] <tw2113> as long as she stays away from me
  964. # [08:09] <thatryan> matrix part 3 what what! :/
  965. # [08:09] <tw2113> same with megan fox
  966. # [08:09] <xonecas_> ?w lawnmower man
  967. # [08:09] <bot-t> xonecas_, The Lawnmower Man - "The Lawnmower Man" is a short story by Stephen King, first published in the May 1975 issue of Cavalier, and later collected in King's 1978 collection Night Shift. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lawnmower_Man
  968. # [08:10] <xonecas_> thatryan: matrix one > matrix 2 && 3
  969. # [08:10] <antonkovalyov> too bad they never made a sequel to matrix
  970. # [08:10] <antonkovalyov> the first one was great
  971. # [08:10] <xonecas_> there shouldn't be an argument there :-P
  972. # [08:10] <tw2113> i'm slowly downloading The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai
  973. # [08:10] <nimbupani> animatrix was good too
  974. # [08:11] <thatryan> xonecas_: very very true
  975. # [08:11] <thatryan> but my last tweet beats them all bwahahaha
  976. # [08:11] <antonkovalyov> http://xkcd.com/566/
  977. # [08:11] <tw2113> mel brooks love?
  978. # [08:11] <thatryan> blazing saddles!
  979. # [08:12] <xonecas_> men in tights!
  980. # [08:12] <xonecas_> history of the world part 2
  981. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> nice
  982. # [08:13] <xonecas_> mel brooks fanboy here
  983. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> ghost in the shell poster 10 bucks
  984. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> with frame — 100 bucks
  985. # [08:13] <nimbupani> looters
  986. # [08:13] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: ikea in emeryville has poster size frames for $20
  987. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> xonecas_, orly
  988. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> will check it out thanks
  989. # [08:14] <xonecas_> my gf dragged me there yesterday... :-(
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  993. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> you can't live without a dresser, man
  994. # [08:14] <xonecas_> I'll never understand that, and where do all the clothes come from
  995. # [08:14] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: I agree but do I really need 3?
  996. # [08:14] <nimbupani> poor kids in china
  997. # [08:15] <antonkovalyov> xonecas_, sometimes ;)
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  999. # [08:16] <tw2113> i need to get the music playing in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqJ3iGBdOo
  1000. # [08:17] <xonecas_> tw2113 you can use ffmpeg to strip the audio from an flv, but thats rather complicated, you're better off using torrents to find the song
  1001. # [08:17] <tw2113> done that method before
  1002. # [08:19] <xonecas_> can someone try to clone a repo, so that I'm sure its not only me?
  1003. # [08:19] <tw2113> Permission denied (publickey).
  1004. # [08:19] <tw2113> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
  1005. # [08:20] <xonecas_> cool, its not only me. thanks.
  1006. # [08:20] <xonecas_> I guess I'll download the tar ball, then send to dropbox, then wget it from the server
  1007. # [08:21] <xonecas_> what a hassle
  1008. # [08:21] <xonecas_> :-p
  1009. # [08:21] <tw2113> or just do something else while github sorts their end out
  1010. # [08:22] <xonecas_> short of sleeping or working, playing with a canvas el is all I got :-P
  1011. # [08:23] <tw2113> sleep is what i'm doing soon
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  1241. # [17:16] <kopanas> Can one use <figure> and <figurecaption> for an example like this https://skitch.com/johnbaku/rmdrr/running-ahead-of-oneself-flickr-photo-sharing or because the image is apart of the main flow of the document you have to use divs or something else?
  1242. # [17:21] <miketaylr> s/<figurecaption>/<figcaption/
  1243. # [17:22] <miketaylr> Sure, just do <figure><img><figcaption>Runningahead of oneself</figcaption></figure>
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  1246. # [17:24] <kopanas> miketaylr: the spec just makes it sound like you can't use it in the context where the img is the focus of the page... or am I reading it wrong?
  1247. # [17:25] <miketaylr> you're probably reading it wrong
  1248. # [17:26] <miketaylr> ok, i see what you mean
  1249. # [17:26] <miketaylr> "but that could, without affecting the flow of the document, be moved away from that primary content, e.g. to the side of the page, to dedicated pages, or to an appendix."
  1250. # [17:27] <miketaylr> in this instance, where the use case is flickr and the point of the page is in fact the image/figure...you might just have an <article> with a <h1> below the image. or something.
  1251. # [17:28] <kopanas> the spec is making me feel dirty...
  1252. # [17:29] <miketaylr> that'll pass
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  1261. # [17:41] <JonathanNeal> TL;DR means too long didn't read, right?
  1262. # [17:41] <JonathanNeal> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues#issue/289
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  1266. # [17:48] <miketaylr> yes
  1267. # [17:48] <mike5w3c> JonathanNeal: yeah
  1268. # [17:48] <JonathanNeal> mike5w3c ... same mike i knew from #whatwg?
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  1270. # [17:48] <mike5w3c> hai
  1271. # [17:49] <nimbupani> very same
  1272. # [17:49] <vokoda> is HTML5 local storage designed to be written/read from non-browser local applications? I know it's possible because I'm doing it right now, but is this intended?
  1273. # [17:52] <mike5w3c> vokoda: to the same local store that's being managed by a browser?
  1274. # [17:52] <vokoda> that's a correct
  1275. # [17:52] <vokoda> mike5w3c: essentially I want my local applications to be able to interact with webserver via the browser
  1276. # [17:53] <mike5w3c> I think that's something that's outside what the spec concerns itself with
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  1278. # [17:54] <mike5w3c> not that it's not intended
  1279. # [17:57] <chipotle> hello my favorite channel on freenode!
  1280. # [17:58] <chipotle> :)
  1281. # [17:58] <chipotle> anyone here have any proposals they have sent prospective clients that i could view?
  1282. # [17:58] <chipotle> a prospective client (non-profit NGO) has asked me to send a proposal (and bid) for phase 1 of their website, but i have never written one before!
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  1284. # [17:59] <thatryan> chipotle: just include all proceeds go to me and you are golden! :D
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  1286. # [18:00] <chipotle> thatryan: well, i actually need to work with a front-end designer, since i am not qualified... :)
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  1296. # [18:02] <paul_irish> Evet: look for ecmascript on the polyfills page
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  1298. # [18:04] <thatryan> chipotle: well hell then! :p
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  1320. # [18:29] <Michael> hears
  1321. # [18:29] <thatryan> lol
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  1325. # [18:33] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish since they're trying to get me to txjs I may try to get you down here in September or sometime for a wedding, cough.
  1326. # [18:33] <JonathanNeal> Not sure what the cough was for, but it felt right.
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  1328. # [18:35] <paul_irish> sounds fair to me
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  1331. # [18:37] <ACTRAiSER> morning
  1332. # [18:37] <ACTRAiSER> sunny day in San Francisco.. love it
  1333. # [18:37] * Michael waves
  1334. # [18:38] <Michael> Nice. I stayed in Benicia for a couple weeks. I loved it
  1335. # [18:38] <paul_irish> ?w benicia
  1336. # [18:38] <bot-t> paul_irish, Benicia, California - Benicia is a waterside city in Solano County, California, United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benicia,_California
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  1338. # [18:39] <danielfilho> ACTRAiSER: 11C in San Francisco... It is 30C in Sao Paulo.
  1339. # [18:39] <danielfilho> And it's NOT THAT HOT.
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  1353. # [19:04] <xonecas> paul_irish: I know you're new here, benitia is just across those 2 big ghettos: richmond and valejo...
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  1356. # [19:06] <paul_irish> Ooooh i see it now. :)
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  1359. # [19:06] <thatryan> lol all 3 are ghettos ;)
  1360. # [19:07] <xonecas> eheh thatryan shhhhhh! you ruined it :-P bot-t made it sound so nice :-P
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  1364. # [19:14] <thatryan> lol bot is a liar!
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  1369. # [19:24] <nimbupani> http://nimbupani.com/notes-from-html5-readiness-hacking.html#comment-3566 paul_irish
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  1371. # [19:25] <Nifty> Hey guys -- is it possible to make your app brick the android until you complete a certain objective/function?
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  1373. # [19:26] <Nifty> paul_irish: you ever do android stuff?
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  1375. # [19:26] <paul_irish> the internet just smited him for asking such a daft question.
  1376. # [19:27] <TheEmpath> I got HTML5 canvas to handle up to 2,000 animated sprites for over 8 hours with no memory leaks
  1377. # [19:27] <TheEmpath> :O :O :O
  1378. # [19:27] <paul_irish> nice!!
  1379. # [19:27] <paul_irish> hey TheEmpath.. i was wondering if i could get your help withs omething
  1380. # [19:27] <TheEmpath> sup
  1381. # [19:28] <paul_irish> TheEmpath: https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/21
  1382. # [19:28] <paul_irish> nimbupani: /me looks into our site traffic...
  1383. # [19:29] <TheEmpath> paul_irish: that's easy
  1384. # [19:30] <TheEmpath> 1.) Screw IE. Market share estimates are not reliable. 40%+ of browser doesn't mean anything, not when I've personally seen billion dollar companies have 9% of all transactions come from IE.
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  1386. # [19:31] <TheEmpath> Is it a 9% you wouldn't have gotten otherwise due to browser problems? That's about as measurable as saying you know precisely how many sales you've lost due to browser issues.
  1387. # [19:31] <paul_irish> lol
  1388. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> 2.) One of the head guys over at AS3, G. Skinner, has created a library in JavaScript that basically allows you to treat HTML5 canvas like coding Flash.
  1389. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> Easeljs.com
  1390. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> Bitmap, BitmapSequences, the works.
  1391. # [19:32] <paul_irish> yeah.. saw that. he built the piratesdaises game with it
  1392. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> i think that is a poor example of his engine
  1393. # [19:32] <paul_irish> you like it?
  1394. # [19:33] <TheEmpath> im coding a high power server in node.js, which can sustain like 200+ connections
  1395. # [19:33] <TheEmpath> pairing it with easeljs, which can handle 2000 png sequences
  1396. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> and lets say 2k is a top end number, and we bounce it down to 1k. doing basic math, the 30x30px grid that makes up a map would take up 660 pngs, leaving me with 340 surplus pngs to use.
  1397. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> if each png represents a player, and each player generates some additional special effect upon action, then thats 170 pngs
  1398. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> then you apply the Z layers above the map, that puts me at placing up to 100 players on a Canvas
  1399. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> without so much as a slow down on the client
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  1401. # [19:35] <TheEmpath> 100+ players on a f***ing screen at the same time!? are you serious!?
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  1403. # [19:35] <TheEmpath> easeljs meets my needs and since its alpha and open source, if i need to fine tune it, i can
  1404. # [19:36] <paul_irish> i like it.
  1405. # [19:36] <TheEmpath> the problem with pirateslovedaisies is that he has shadow support turned on, which bogs it all down
  1406. # [19:36] <paul_irish> so easel's API is very friendly to flash folks?
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  1408. # [19:36] <TheEmpath> its identical
  1409. # [19:36] <paul_irish> brill.
  1410. # [19:36] <TheEmpath> its just like AS3
  1411. # [19:37] <TheEmpath> shadows should be drawn into the pngs, imo, for now until better methods are figured out or until all browsers have direct access to GPUs
  1412. # [19:37] <TheEmpath> if you get rid of shadows, you'll have hundreds of more pngs you'll be able to draw
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  1416. # [19:42] <davidmurdoch> how can I fire a -webkit-animation (@-webkit-keyframes) via javascript?
  1417. # [19:42] <xonecas> TheEmpath: you seem to like the canvas el, do you know if you can use a @font-face familly within the canvas?
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  1419. # [19:45] <TheEmpath> xonecas: Not sure. I'll be trying to stay exclusively within canvas redraws and less on the DOM.
  1420. # [19:45] <TheEmpath> this includes interactives like buttons.
  1421. # [19:46] <xonecas> some google searches suggest that I have to force the browser to preload the font, such like <div style="font-family: new_font;">.</div>
  1422. # [19:46] <xonecas> but no cigar yet
  1423. # [19:47] <TheEmpath> with things like this http://29a.ch/2010/3/24/normal-mapping-with-javascript-and-canvas-tag The DOM is like a pair of crutches.
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  1427. # [19:49] <paul_irish> xonecas: you can. but yeah the asset has to be downloaded. also you should wait till window load to get the canvas rollnig
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  1431. # [19:51] <Michael> #zftalk people are assholes.
  1432. # [19:51] <Michael> I never would've thought php people to be elitists
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  1434. # [19:56] <paul_irish> html5 surfboard.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewmcvickar/5385919380/ literally.
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  1436. # [19:57] <thatryan> badass
  1437. # [20:01] <danielfilho> hahaha
  1438. # [20:01] <danielfilho> nice!
  1439. # [20:03] <xonecas> I miss Portugal, at least the water wasn't freezing...
  1440. # [20:03] <xonecas> I could surf back then :-(
  1441. # [20:04] <JonathanNeal> We're going to update Liferay dot com later this year.
  1442. # [20:04] <JonathanNeal> I think when we launched, we were one of a few corporate sites that went all HTML5 on everybody (on the site and in the product). Now we're totally in the midst.
  1443. # [20:04] <JonathanNeal> So let's hope I don't screw it up again.
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  1450. # [20:13] <xonecas> paul_irish: polyfill for canvasText? excanvas.js doesn't work :-(
  1451. # [20:14] <paul_irish> ?g modernizr polyfills
  1452. # [20:14] <bot-t> paul_irish, Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills - GitHub - https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
  1453. # [20:14] <xonecas> thanks I just saw it :-)
  1454. # [20:15] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/wiki/Current-development-status-
  1455. # [20:16] <pluma> Polyfills for IE6 seem to mostly break my CSS in weird places. I'd rather not rely on them. I like the Universal IE6 stylesheet for that.
  1456. # [20:17] <paul_irish> pluma: i mostly agree. i just like having the option available. i'll make the call whether its worth it
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  1459. # [20:18] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: nice, and they're using css3 page transitions? Good.
  1460. # [20:23] <JonathanNeal> I was worried they were using javascript animations.
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  1462. # [20:24] <paul_irish> they used to be
  1463. # [20:24] <JonathanNeal> jQTouch was pretty awful to work with, but it looked better than the jQuery mobile.
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  1465. # [20:24] <JonathanNeal> I just got the GIT, do you know if they're using css3 on there yet?
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  1467. # [20:25] <JonathanNeal> *than the jQuery mobile demos I had been playing with
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  1471. # [20:34] <paul_irish> do not know
  1472. # [20:35] <TheEmpath> Michael: PHP people aren'y elitists per say. I would say they are protectors of limited knowledge.
  1473. # [20:36] <TheEmpath> I did php for 10 years and thought I was da man. Then I learned like 14 php frameworks, wrote 7 myself, learned AS3, Python, Node.js, jQuery, now HTML5... and i gotta say... php is dead to me
  1474. # [20:36] <Michael> I've done PHP before too. PHP people were always easy to get because they're cheap and plentiful
  1475. # [20:37] <TheEmpath> i'm tired of writing the same high-level solution over and over again. "Oh, your corporation hasn't figured out branching and tagging? ooooo"
  1476. # [20:37] <Michael> I've always tried to stay away from it after using it for 8 years, but that is Disney's new technology stack, so..
  1477. # [20:37] <TheEmpath> well, thats what happens when you go pure php!
  1478. # [20:38] <Michael> Beats the heck out of what we had which was a proprietary java-based templating system called TEA
  1479. # [20:38] <chromedFiz> php ftw!
  1480. # [20:38] <Michael> still I'd rather use ruby+rails or python+django
  1481. # [20:38] <chromedFiz> which are a bitch to get setup
  1482. # [20:38] <davidmurdoch> php FTL
  1483. # [20:38] <Michael> Rails is a lot nicer now
  1484. # [20:38] <chromedFiz> php "just works" :P
  1485. # [20:39] <danielfilho> java ppl thinks the same.
  1486. # [20:39] <Michael> psh not in Windows with xdebug and zend server ce
  1487. # [20:39] <danielfilho> boring.
  1488. # [20:39] <Michael> I'm having to do a lot of manual configuration
  1489. # [20:39] <TheEmpath> PHP a scripting language based on opportunism, not infrastructure.
  1490. # [20:39] <chromedFiz> im sure python will get there but i tried to waste some time doing some web dev in python i just didnt have tht much spare time to just try and get an invironment setup
  1491. # [20:39] <davidmurdoch> Program anything with *real* intellisense and you won't ever want to go back.
  1492. # [20:40] <franksalim> program anything with a *real* REPL, and you won't ever want to go back
  1493. # [20:40] <TheEmpath> python requires a totally different mindset
  1494. # [20:40] <chromedFiz> yeah
  1495. # [20:40] <TheEmpath> im a huge fan of node.js
  1496. # [20:40] <chromedFiz> i just couldnt get there
  1497. # [20:41] <TheEmpath> a server with callbacks that isn't C-based or Java.... great idea!
  1498. # [20:41] <chromedFiz> node.js is new to me but it looks sweet i just dont know how powerful it can be
  1499. # [20:41] <TheEmpath> and its single threaded, unlike python... also, great idea!
  1500. # [20:41] <chromedFiz> load wise
  1501. # [20:41] <TheEmpath> i have a 1.7ghz CPU, 256MB of RAM cloud server
  1502. # [20:42] <TheEmpath> ran node on it with my custom node server i wrote... handled 80+ connections while broadcasting 200 requests per second
  1503. # [20:42] <TheEmpath> took up 66% of one core of the CPU
  1504. # [20:42] <TheEmpath> php/apache would have hit RAM limitations trying to do that
  1505. # [20:43] <davidmurdoch> Program anything with *real* intellisense and REPL and you won't ever EVER want to go back.
  1506. # [20:43] <davidmurdoch> :-p
  1507. # [20:44] <chromedFiz> ive been in my own little php world for long time
  1508. # [20:44] <TheEmpath> i find async programming to be more natural anyways.
  1509. # [20:44] <TheEmpath> biggest problem with node is a javascript problem... its prototypical and inheritence doesn't operate like classic C++
  1510. # [20:44] <xonecas> so I'm trying to load a font face kit inside a canvas, and I know the font is loaded (I shouw the font first then wait 5secs then create the canvas, and set the font) you can see it here: xonecas.com:8888 Anyone knows whats wrong?
  1511. # [20:45] <TheEmpath> so things like "parents" and "children" aren't as prevelent
  1512. # [20:45] <snover> TheEmpath: use something like dojo
  1513. # [20:46] <TheEmpath> i've found that force fitting a convention on a language that never bothered with it has its drawbacksd
  1514. # [20:46] <TheEmpath> processor wise at least.
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  1516. # [20:46] <TheEmpath> doesn't dojo fire every constructor twice?
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  1521. # [20:48] <xonecas> whoohoo I got it :_)
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  1523. # [20:49] <chromedFiz> glad i could help
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  1529. # [20:57] <JonathanNeal> https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/issues/issue/876
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  1538. # [21:05] <chromedFiz> yay got node.js working on my server :P
  1539. # [21:05] <chromedFiz> http://digitalfiz.com:9000
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  1541. # [21:05] <chromedFiz> node_chat
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  1551. # [21:12] <chromedFiz> can anyone else connect?
  1552. # [21:13] <miketaylr> its hanging for me
  1553. # [21:13] <chromedFiz> interesting
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  1555. # [21:15] <chromedFiz> seems like its only accepting 1 client at a time
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  1562. # [21:28] <chromedFiz> girhub still flaking out a little? lol
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  1564. # [21:29] <chromedFiz> github
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  1572. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> announcing amazon simple email service
  1573. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> man google neds to step up and kill amazon
  1574. # [21:41] <mokush> is it possible to detect dom changes in a container?
  1575. # [21:41] <Evet> what is the best cdn ever?
  1576. # [21:42] <chromedFiz> right now i prefer amaon but google now has google storage i think will be better once its open to everyone
  1577. # [21:42] <chromedFiz> amazon
  1578. # [21:42] <Evet> google storage is a cdn?
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  1581. # [21:46] <tw2113> yes
  1582. # [21:46] <tw2113> as far as i know :D
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  1589. # [21:56] <Evet> i will use akamai \o/
  1590. # [21:56] <danielfilho> ?g HSLa color picker paul irish
  1591. # [21:56] <bot-t> danielfilho, RGBa & HSLa CSS Color | Trent Walton - http://trentwalton.com/2010/12/21/rgba-hsla-css-color/
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  1593. # [21:57] <danielfilho> ?g convert hexa to hsla
  1594. # [21:57] <bot-t> danielfilho, RGBa & HSLa CSS Generator for Internet Explorer | Journal | Kimili - http://kimili.com/journal/rgba-hsla-css-generator-for-internet-explorer
  1595. # [21:58] <paul_irish> ?g mothereffinghsl
  1596. # [21:58] <bot-t> paul_irish, Mothereffing HSL - http://mothereffinghsl.com/
  1597. # [21:58] <paul_irish> BITCHEZ
  1598. # [21:58] <danielfilho> i never remember the "mother effing"
  1599. # [21:58] <danielfilho> ever.
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  1604. # [22:00] <wiwms> hi
  1605. # [22:00] <danielfilho> hey :D
  1606. # [22:01] <Evet> is it good idea to put index.html to a cdn?
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  1608. # [22:05] <danielfilho> imo, it depends on the control you have to purge it.
  1609. # [22:05] <danielfilho> *to purge it's cache.
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  1612. # [22:06] <danielfilho> how often it is updated?
  1613. # [22:06] <Evet> danielfilho: never
  1614. # [22:06] <danielfilho> well. go for it, then.
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  1617. # [22:09] <Evet> danielfilho: im very excited that im gonna use Akamai \o/
  1618. # [22:09] <danielfilho> Akamai rules.
  1619. # [22:09] <danielfilho> for real.
  1620. # [22:09] <danielfilho> we use it for videos.
  1621. # [22:09] <danielfilho> it's amazing.
  1622. # [22:09] <danielfilho> I used it on my previous work too.
  1623. # [22:10] <Evet> hmm
  1624. # [22:11] <danielfilho> i think google uses akamai for live streaming (youtube live and stuffs)
  1625. # [22:12] <Evet> wow
  1626. # [22:16] <Evet> is akamai good for very few files under 100KB?
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  1662. # [23:02] <dgathright> http://twitter.com/#!/adjustafresh/statuses/29647780146323456
  1663. # [23:02] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/hfiXVQ @adjustafresh: Forget the @w3c HTML5 logo, I'm endorsing the @oatmeal Cheetah Balls version http://yfrog.com/h3dsovp Who's with me?
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  1676. # [23:13] <mike5w3c> http://code.google.com/p/phantomjs/
  1677. # [23:14] <mike5w3c> "PhantomJS is a minimalistic, headless, WebKit-based, JavaScript-driven tool. … It has native support for different web technologies: DOM handling, CSS selector, JSON, Canvas, SVG, and of course JavaScript. … source code is just 250 lines of Qt and C++."
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  1683. # [23:21] <Evet> danielfilho: what about internap?
  1684. # [23:21] <danielfilho> hm, don't know
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  1686. # [23:21] <danielfilho> be back later
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  1689. # [23:28] <chromedFiz> looks like my cat was typing again lol
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  1697. # [23:41] <tw2113> cgcardona, stop wetting yourself
  1698. # [23:41] <cgcardona> I'm cleaning up as we speak :D
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  1700. # [23:43] <cgcardona> you mess with rails or ruby at all tw2113 ?
  1701. # [23:43] <tw2113> ya
  1702. # [23:43] <cgcardona> your thoughts?
  1703. # [23:43] <tw2113> it's not good to wet yourself in public
  1704. # [23:43] <tw2113> oh you meant about rails?
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  1706. # [23:44] <cgcardona> of course :p
  1707. # [23:44] <tw2113> never touched it before
  1708. # [23:45] <cgcardona> i'm confused - didn't you just say "ya?"
  1709. # [23:45] <tw2113> oops
  1710. # [23:45] <tw2113> somehow i thought you said "mean"
  1711. # [23:46] <tw2113> it's not my day
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