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  36. # [02:13] * niftylettuce crickets
  37. # [02:13] <paul_irish> Google Chrome extension lets you use IE9 pinned site actions on supported sites https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/foekkphhdncclpelbmngokikjnkikpad?hl=en-US
  38. # [02:14] <niftylettuce> thats pretty slick
  39. # [02:14] <niftylettuce> any extensions need developed?
  40. # [02:14] <key> any css geniuses? noone in #css can do what i need
  41. # [02:14] <niftylettuce> html5 related?
  42. # [02:14] <niftylettuce> sup key?
  43. # [02:14] <key> hey man, are you pretty good with css layout?
  44. # [02:15] <niftylettuce> html5 related was towards the extension conversation
  45. # [02:15] <niftylettuce> key, what are you trying to do
  46. # [02:15] <key> i have a menu + submenu in structured data or mark up. it's a UL within another UL
  47. # [02:15] <key> i need main menu (first UL) to be horizontal
  48. # [02:16] <key> then i need the sub menu to be horizontal, left aligned with main menu, but 40px below it
  49. # [02:16] <key> if you have an email i can send you a mockup
  50. # [02:18] <niftylettuce> niftylettuce@gmail.com
  51. # [02:18] <niftylettuce> but you should really just pastebin
  52. # [02:18] <tw2113> basically 2 horizontal menus, one below the other and only shown when hovering over the list item in the first menu
  53. # [02:18] <niftylettuce> http://pastebin.com
  54. # [02:18] <key> tw2113: no, not only shown when hovering
  55. # [02:18] <key> please allow me to speak for myself
  56. # [02:19] <tw2113> just saying how i took it :D
  57. # [02:19] <key> niftylettuce: i priv msg'd you a link to the mock up image and a link tothe html + more details
  58. # [02:19] <niftylettuce> key please keep discussion in #html5
  59. # [02:19] <key> http://www.pastie.org/private/xo1w15miulgzf3ho9oya
  60. # [02:19] <key> http://cl.ly/3y0Q3T2q143Z0l2p3G24
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  63. # [02:20] <niftylettuce> tw2113, want to take a look at that? I'm in middle of DNS setup
  64. # [02:21] <tw2113> not particularly
  65. # [02:21] <tw2113> but i can
  66. # [02:21] <niftylettuce> i could look in ~15
  67. # [02:21] <paul_irish> niftylettuce: https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/23
  68. # [02:21] <key> dude ill fucking pay whoever can actually build the css i need
  69. # [02:21] <key> maybe paul irish wants to make a little cash, i've heard he's pretty good
  70. # [02:21] <key> kroc camen too
  71. # [02:21] <paul_irish> i'm good yo
  72. # [02:21] <key> i emailed him
  73. # [02:23] <niftylettuce> key: if you want to go pro and build CSS in like 2 seconds then look into SASS and Compass (http://sass-lang.com) and (http://compass-style.org)
  74. # [02:24] <niftylettuce> key: I can take a look in ~10
  75. # [02:25] <key> ive spent enough days trying to get this to work. i have my design, and i have my structured data. now i just need it properly styled and ill pay for that
  76. # [02:25] <niftylettuce> paul_irish, I'll see if I can tackle that extension, never built one, wanted a project to get involved more with Google..
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  78. # [02:25] <niftylettuce> key: you don't have to pay me, I will help you
  79. # [02:25] <niftylettuce> key: your PNG looks simple
  80. # [02:26] <tw2113> ul li ul {display: none;}
  81. # [02:26] <niftylettuce> key: gimme a few mins bro, major DNS overhaul
  82. # [02:26] <key> niftylettuce: i will appreciate your help, and also pay you
  83. # [02:26] <key> ok np
  84. # [02:26] <tw2113> ul li:hover ul {display: block;}
  85. # [02:26] <niftylettuce> tw2113: http://jsfiddle.net
  86. # [02:26] <key> tw2113: how many more times do i have to tell you i dont want this hover thing you have an obsession with?
  87. # [02:26] <niftylettuce> key: be nice man he's trying to help
  88. # [02:26] <tw2113> are they both shown at the same time?
  89. # [02:27] <key> i'm not trying to be a dick, he's just not listening to me
  90. # [02:27] <key> it's frustrating
  91. # [02:27] <niftylettuce> key: "actually, I might have explained it better by saying ______"
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  93. # [02:27] <tw2113> or just the top one until you need the bottom one?
  94. # [02:27] <key> there will always be the main menu showing, every page. there will also always be A submenu showing, depending on which main menu section is selected
  95. # [02:28] <key> no dynamic anything. hover, mouseover, etc. all static
  96. # [02:28] <key> server side will move the nested submenu UL around
  97. # [02:28] <tw2113> ah, it's all conditional based on what page you're on
  98. # [02:28] <key> rather, section you're in
  99. # [02:28] <tw2113> it's all conditonal based on where you are
  100. # [02:28] <key> but yea
  101. # [02:28] <key> static page content
  102. # [02:28] <niftylettuce> paul_irish, I'll see if I can tackle that extension, wanted a project to learn how with, ty
  103. # [02:29] <paul_irish> :)
  104. # [02:29] <niftylettuce> paul_irish, to learn how to make an extension*
  105. # [02:29] <tw2113> then this is technically not much related to css
  106. # [02:29] <tw2113> it's all determining what area you're on and displaying the 2ndary code based on that
  107. # [02:29] <key> *sigh*
  108. # [02:29] <key> tw2113: i appreciate you trying to help but it isn't goign to work between us
  109. # [02:29] <niftylettuce> key, you basically want current page to show current section links?
  110. # [02:29] <key> yes
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  112. # [02:30] <tw2113> i challenge you to use css alone to conditionally show the menu based on where you are
  113. # [02:30] <niftylettuce> key, you using jQuery/JavaScript or a scripting language like PHP/Ruby/Python?
  114. # [02:30] <key> but go off of my material more than tw2113's misunderstandings please
  115. # [02:30] <key> it's just going to confuse this
  116. # [02:30] <key> no
  117. # [02:30] <key> scripting language, server side.
  118. # [02:30] <niftylettuce> what is the scripting language
  119. # [02:30] <key> tw2113: you aren't understanding, please stop
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  121. # [02:30] <key> it's irrelevant
  122. # [02:30] <tw2113> bs
  123. # [02:31] <niftylettuce> its not irrelevant you need code to pass either GET or POST or conditional most likely
  124. # [02:31] <key> i will handle that
  125. # [02:31] <key> please stay focused on the issue at hand
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  130. # [02:33] <tw2113> :D
  131. # [02:34] <niftylettuce> tw2113: i like your leave msg :)
  132. # [02:34] <niftylettuce> quit*
  133. # [02:34] <tw2113> i have no idea what it was
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  135. # [02:34] <tw2113> i think i have xchat with a plugin that randomizes it
  136. # [02:34] <niftylettuce> nice, i must find that plugin
  137. # [02:34] <tw2113> uberscript
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  139. # [02:36] <paul_irish> http://www.googleaxis.com/
  140. # [02:37] <niftylettuce> paul_irish, so slick!!!!!
  141. # [02:39] <jamescarr_> so slick I crapped my pants
  142. # [02:39] <jamescarr_> :-P
  143. # [02:41] <snover> oh, that’s a mrdoob thing isn’t it
  144. # [02:42] <paul_irish> might be. lots of global variables. :)
  145. # [02:44] <snover> I remember seeing it on his site
  146. # [02:44] <daleharvey> hey paul_irish, are you putting up the slides / etherpad from your talk last night? may have made a converter out of me
  147. # [02:47] <paul_irish> daleharvey: http://typewith.me/eIb34RTxaE here ya go
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  153. # [02:50] <niftylettuce> ooo SASS and Compass extensions
  154. # [02:50] <niftylettuce> many ideas!
  155. # [02:50] <daleharvey> awesome, cheers
  156. # [02:58] <paul_irish> http://jsdo.it/t02uk/yJS8
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  159. # [03:11] <key> tables for layout here i come!
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  163. # [03:13] <paul_irish> http://my.opera.com/karlcow/blog/index.dml/tag/web%20standards%20links are quite good
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  180. # [03:50] <gandoff> does the border factor in to the width of a box?
  181. # [03:50] <gandoff> or just content + padding?
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  183. # [03:53] <grantg> paul_irish: Firefox 4 no likey http://www.googleaxis.com/
  184. # [03:53] <grantg> :/
  185. # [03:53] <paul_irish> o rly
  186. # [03:53] <paul_irish> bummr
  187. # [03:53] <grantg> I'm seeing rendering artifacts in Firefox 4 definitely
  188. # [03:53] <paul_irish> saw you on the @font-face bugzilla bug
  189. # [03:53] <tw2113> all it's supposed to do is rotate the items on the page right?
  190. # [03:54] <paul_irish> when you search for shit its kinda neat
  191. # [03:54] <grantg> like the text is getting clipped wrong and firefox draws a black line on the right side of some characters.
  192. # [03:54] <paul_irish> search for two separate things, tw
  193. # [03:54] <Pewpewarrows> based on the position of your cursor and its proximity to an interactive element
  194. # [03:54] <Pewpewarrows> ya
  195. # [03:54] <grantg> paul_irish: I believe honestly that the @font-face bug is not a bug, but purely an ambiguity
  196. # [03:55] <grantg> I think that there needs to be a CSS property to define how to handle loading the fonts
  197. # [03:55] <grantg> to define whether to do something like visibility: hidden while load, do a wait then show default, or show at all times
  198. # [03:55] <Pewpewarrows> I can't ever imagine anyone wanting the fallback font to flash onscreen
  199. # [03:56] <grantg> Pewpewarrows: Still, it's an ambiguity that NEEDS to get defined
  200. # [03:56] <paul_irish> yeah john kinda under-specced it
  201. # [03:56] <tw2113> *shrugs* i'm not seeing much for issues
  202. # [03:56] <Pewpewarrows> oh, in the spec itself
  203. # [03:56] <grantg> Some people might want their text displayed as soon as it's downloaded
  204. # [03:56] <Pewpewarrows> yeah I'd agree there
  205. # [03:56] <paul_irish> webkit has a patch waiting that has a 500ms timeout.. FF's is 3000ms
  206. # [03:56] <paul_irish> and IE9 has the full Firefox style FOUT
  207. # [03:56] <grantg> with the font-face being a designer-oriented extra to spice up the page
  208. # [03:56] <grantg> paul_irish: I believe the timeout could be a CSS property!
  209. # [03:56] <grantg> heh
  210. # [03:57] <Pewpewarrows> does the IE9 RC not have HTML5 history pushstate etc?
  211. # [03:57] <grantg> I think there needs to be two properties added
  212. # [03:58] <grantg> one to define whether to show at all time or to hide while downloading
  213. # [03:58] <grantg> and the other being a timeout if the first property has a "third" option specified for a delay
  214. # [03:58] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: nope
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  217. # [03:58] <grantg> seems appropriate to allow the web developer to control this
  218. # [03:58] <Pewpewarrows> dammit
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  220. # [03:59] <grantg> Since there seems to be general ambiguity and purpose here on the feature to include
  221. # [03:59] <Pewpewarrows> couildn't they have spent the time it took to program the jump lists feature and just added more spec items
  222. # [04:00] * grantg thinks that people can just do visibility: hidden on the text, and listen for the font to finish downloading to show the font
  223. # [04:00] <grantg> of course listening on the download might be a problem
  224. # [04:01] <grantg> doing some data uri hackery and dl'ing the font-face via ajax and applying it with some DHTML might cure any problems of flickery text in old FF
  225. # [04:01] <grantg> and then switch the text from visisbility: hidden to visible
  226. # [04:02] <paul_irish> window.applicationCache && applicationCache.addEventListener("progress", function(evt) {if (evt.loaded) {document.querySelector("#loading").innerHTML = "(" + Math.round((evt.loaded / evt.total) * 100) + "%)"}}, false);
  227. # [04:02] <grantg> too much though to ask for a developer to do
  228. # [04:03] <grantg> I think we should go with a CSS property defining this ambiguity
  229. # [04:03] <grantg> rather than making custom handling in each browser for it.
  230. # [04:05] <grantg> paul_irish: Found some more 'WTF' bugs with web audio. :/
  231. # [04:05] <grantg> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-audio/2011Feb/0049.html
  232. # [04:06] <grantg> not to mention firefox 4's audio data api has a bad bug with mozCurrentSampleOffset
  233. # [04:06] <grantg> For the LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT PUT A MACBOOK TO SLEEP WHILE RUNNING AN AUDIO DATA API DEMO IN FIREFOX 4!
  234. # [04:06] <grantg> that messes up mozCurrentSampleOffset
  235. # [04:07] <grantg> D:
  236. # [04:07] <grantg> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633796
  237. # [04:08] <grantg> Try to torture firefox by putting a macbook with it on to sleep and awakening it
  238. # [04:08] <grantg> http://audioscene.org/scene-files/yury/examples/piano.html
  239. # [04:09] <grantg> will cause over-buffering to hell
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  242. # [04:16] <grantg> WTF? http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/fkjkf/angrybirds_egypt/c1gmm3l?context=3
  243. # [04:16] <grantg> -5 points. :/
  244. # [04:17] <grantg> Yet I get 55 points for this: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/fkijj/signal_flares/c1gmlbh
  245. # [04:17] <paul_irish> hahahahaha grant.. -7 now
  246. # [04:18] <grantg> D:
  247. # [04:18] <grantg> I don't understand Reddit, b/c the comments I make without thought get upvoted all the way, while the ones I ask questions on seem downvoted to hell.
  248. # [04:19] <paul_irish> "angry birds" is a game that has consumed millions and millions of hours of people's lives.. pretty much wasted now.. all while you have been doing incredibly productive shit.
  249. # [04:19] <grantg> heh
  250. # [04:19] <grantg> nah, reddit is unproductive
  251. # [04:19] <tw2113> my question is which has consumed more time....angry birds or IE debugging
  252. # [04:19] <paul_irish> reddit too.
  253. # [04:19] <grantg> I filled the angry birds void with reddit time
  254. # [04:19] <paul_irish> tw2113: yeah well there is an actual useful result to IE debugging
  255. # [04:20] <tw2113> very true
  256. # [04:20] <grantg> paul_irish: After doing IE debugging for hours on end, you learn to hate IE and ask why the f**k you just spent 5 hours writing custom CSS for some P.O.S. for a customer used to some program they know nothing about.
  257. # [04:21] <tw2113> my favorite tweet regarding egypt was this, in verbatim "gawker launches their new design. Egypt, after seeing the design, requested that their internet be shut off again"
  258. # [04:21] <grantg> "It works with all these sites, so my site better work with it too." <--- Fuck this shit
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  265. # [04:27] <grantg> paul_irish: Do you think I should use the negative amplitude range as well for audio output?
  266. # [04:27] <paul_irish> yes.
  267. # [04:27] <grantg> Right now I have it as positive edge only
  268. # [04:27] <grantg> B/C pops and crackles are way more noticeable when the amplitude spans across positive and negative
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  270. # [04:28] <gandoff> if im making a horizontal menu using UL LI items, is it better to stylize the LI or the A within it?
  271. # [04:28] <grantg> since the audio itself is only positive oriented (only additive, meaning it only goes up, so the algo used is 2 * amplitude - 1)
  272. # [04:28] <gandoff> not sure which one i should make inline-block, etc
  273. # [04:29] <grantg> paul_irish: I reverted it from using both types of amplitude back to positive edge: https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/34da9caf817e95c6d6346752d52bb674e37075b4
  274. # [04:30] <gandoff> ??
  275. # [04:30] <grantg> b/c of the clicks and pops from firefox's GC stopping the audio being heard
  276. # [04:30] <grantg> since neutral then was -1 and not zero when the negative edge is utilized
  277. # [04:30] <paul_irish> gandoff: the A element
  278. # [04:30] <paul_irish> larger click targets == good
  279. # [04:30] <gandoff> paul_irish: ok, thank you!
  280. # [04:31] <tw2113> i've always done the li's inline and then the links block
  281. # [04:31] <gandoff> A inline-block you mean?
  282. # [04:31] <tw2113> nope, i don't use that one much
  283. # [04:32] * grantg lols at anyone trying to do inline-block in IE6
  284. # [04:32] <grantg> good luck with the workarounds and IE6's fuzzy logic
  285. # [04:33] <gandoff> but when i change my LI's A to display block, it goes back to vertical list
  286. # [04:33] <gandoff> vs horizontal
  287. # [04:34] <tw2113> try floating the li's
  288. # [04:36] <gandoff> keep the LI inline display?
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  290. # [04:37] <tw2113> yeah
  291. # [04:37] <tw2113> li {float: left; display: inline} li a {display: block;}
  292. # [04:37] <gandoff> nice, that closes the gap between them that was there too
  293. # [04:37] <gandoff> so mouse doesn't change
  294. # [04:37] <tw2113> ;)
  295. # [04:38] <gandoff> i just tried making my main menu's LI float and the A block, and it went vertical
  296. # [04:38] <gandoff> (the main menu's UL is position: relative)
  297. # [04:39] <gandoff> if that is relevant at all
  298. # [04:40] <tw2113> hmm
  299. # [04:40] <grantg> tw2113: Firefox just ate up a gig in 30 seconds. ಠ_ಠ
  300. # [04:40] * grantg doesn't think firefox even has a GC
  301. # [04:40] <tw2113> feed it on a regular schedule and it won't be ram hungry at the wrong times, grantg
  302. # [04:41] <gandoff> tw2113: why this happen?
  303. # [04:41] <tw2113> *shrugs* i can't see the code
  304. # [04:42] <gandoff> well it's pretty simple: UL is position: relative, LI is inline, A is inline-block. looks fine. change LI to float: left and A to display block, list goes vertical
  305. # [04:43] <gandoff> so the only change is i make LI float: left and change A to display block from display inline-block
  306. # [04:43] <tw2113> i'd be able to debug better if i could see it in action somehow
  307. # [04:43] <grantg> tw2113: Firefox in denial: http://imgur.com/rDh6V
  308. # [04:43] <gandoff> tw2113: k sec
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  310. # [04:45] <gandoff> http://www.jsfiddle.net/peqK5/
  311. # [04:45] <gandoff> the revision you had me to worked great for sub menu, it's all clean
  312. # [04:45] <gandoff> but main menu got fucke dup
  313. # [04:45] <gandoff> ill change back to how it was and you can see, sec
  314. # [04:45] <gandoff> http://www.jsfiddle.net/peqK5/1/
  315. # [04:48] <gandoff> (i have to make main menu relative position so i can slide it up 8px for the green top bar. also so the larger green submenu bar will extend beyond the nav element which contains the menus)
  316. # [04:49] <gandoff> so i have nav, then on it main menu which is positioned relatively, then submenu of main menu is floated
  317. # [04:50] <tw2113> aha, that may help, setting a width on the li's for the first level
  318. # [04:51] <gandoff> sec
  319. # [04:52] <tw2113> but it does look like the 2nd level would be constrained by that width too
  320. # [04:52] <gandoff> wtf
  321. # [04:52] <gandoff> but why would i need to add it to main menu LI and not sub menu LI ?
  322. # [04:52] <gandoff> which is working fine
  323. # [04:52] <tw2113> one habit i formed was adding borders around elements, so i can see what they're covering
  324. # [04:53] <gandoff> but dude, you asked to see the code and i showed you
  325. # [04:54] <tw2113> i'm not an expert and would likely have to fiddle around a bit myself to get it he way you're wanting :)
  326. # [04:54] <gandoff> so what gives?
  327. # [04:54] <gandoff> oh
  328. # [04:54] <gandoff> well this sucks
  329. # [04:54] <gandoff> css seems like such a hack
  330. # [04:54] <gandoff> im not even doing sophisticated things
  331. # [04:55] <tw2113> some people still think css is hacky
  332. # [04:55] <tw2113> so you're not alone with that thought
  333. # [04:55] <gandoff> what do they do for layout? tables still?
  334. # [04:56] <tw2113> dunno, i don't talk with them
  335. # [04:57] <gandoff> my design is so close to working, but at the same time, it's like, so what? it still wouldn't work on probably 50% of browsers
  336. # [04:57] <gandoff> not that i really care, but it's like, what am i fighting for?
  337. # [04:57] <gandoff> i can do pixel perfect table layouts
  338. # [04:57] <gandoff> i can also do them in 1/10 the time
  339. # [04:58] <tw2113> http://www.jsfiddle.net/peqK5/11/
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  341. # [04:59] <gandoff> margin-left: -200px;
  342. # [04:59] <gandoff> what's that do?
  343. # [04:59] <tw2113> sends the li's left 200px
  344. # [04:59] <tw2113> from the origin
  345. # [04:59] <tw2113> aka out of the container
  346. # [05:00] <tw2113> sup carlos
  347. # [05:00] <gandoff> well, thank you, but yea fuck css
  348. # [05:00] <gandoff> im done trying
  349. # [05:00] <gandoff> gave it a week
  350. # [05:00] <gandoff> back to table layout
  351. # [05:00] <gandoff> that'll give css more time to mature
  352. # [05:00] <gandoff> (that's why i left web dev back in late 90s)
  353. # [05:00] <gandoff> nice to see it's 10x more complex yet still a total hack job
  354. # [05:01] <tw2113> *shrugs*
  355. # [05:02] * grantg loves how the firefox devs just completely broke adobe flash in the latest nightly
  356. # [05:02] <grantg> woo hoo
  357. # [05:03] <gandoff> *sigh*
  358. # [05:03] <tw2113> i have noticed some quirky nature to flash items in FF4
  359. # [05:03] <daleharvey> remote debugging is cool, what would be more cool is remote debugging mobile webkit
  360. # [05:03] <gandoff> such a pile of shit technology
  361. # [05:03] <gandoff> flash was good before MM sold out to adobe
  362. # [05:03] <tw2113> css3 is supposed to bring in methods for layout that don't involve floats and clearing elements etc
  363. # [05:03] * gandoff curses the day
  364. # [05:04] <grantg> youtube is broken in the latest 64 bit firefox nightly for snow leopard
  365. # [05:04] <grantg> FTW
  366. # [05:04] <tw2113> not the best support yet in the immediate browsers
  367. # [05:05] <gandoff> what % of browsers support the basic table features? (TD background colors, % and finite widths mixed, etc)
  368. # [05:06] <gandoff> (using spacer gifs for heights ;)
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  370. # [05:06] <tw2113> *shrugs* i don't pay much attention to making table layouts in 2011
  371. # [05:06] <gandoff> just like to fight with or be limited by CSS then?
  372. # [05:06] <tw2113> sadly i had to do it for html email templates
  373. # [05:06] <tw2113> nope, i just make it work with the css
  374. # [05:07] <tw2113> but i do have a good friend who agrees with you about "fuck css"
  375. # [05:07] <tw2113> she sends her love
  376. # [05:11] <gandoff> girls do web dev now?
  377. # [05:11] <gandoff> when'd that happen
  378. # [05:12] <tw2113> while you were off bemoaning css from 1999
  379. # [05:12] <gandoff> clearly
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  384. # [05:18] <gandoff> bam. fully scalable pixel-perfect layout using tables done in < 15 min
  385. # [05:18] <gandoff> and probably closer to 6 min
  386. # [05:18] <gandoff> not bad vs a fucking week and counting with css
  387. # [05:21] <tw2113> whatever ends up floating your boat
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  390. # [05:24] <gandoff> don't you dare say float to me
  391. # [05:24] <gandoff> ever
  392. # [05:24] <gandoff> fucking css garbage
  393. # [05:25] <tw2113> whatever flogs your log?
  394. # [05:26] <gandoff> there we go
  395. # [05:26] <gandoff> heh heh, you log flogger
  396. # [05:26] <tw2113> float float float
  397. # [05:29] <gandoff> what's a nice font for menu items?
  398. # [05:30] <tw2113> comic sans
  399. # [05:30] <gandoff> suck meh balls
  400. # [05:31] <tw2113> helvetica
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  403. # [05:37] <gandoff> any of you gusy use Acorn for graphics?
  404. # [05:39] <tw2113> can't say i have, i stick to gimp and inkscape when i need graphics at home
  405. # [05:39] <tw2113> photoshop when at work
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  407. # [05:41] <boaz> im having trouble with window.webkitNotifications.requestPermission();
  408. # [05:41] <boaz> window.webkitNotifications exists, but, window.webkitNotifications.requestPermission() seems to return undefined
  409. # [05:41] <boaz> in
  410. # [05:41] <boaz> anyone used this before?
  411. # [05:45] <boaz> er, maybe returning undefined is the expected behavior, but, it's not causing the browser to request perm from me.
  412. # [05:45] <tw2113> *shrugs* i dunno what you're trying to do :)
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  414. # [05:48] <boaz> tw2113: use window.webkitNotifications
  415. # [05:49] <tw2113> ?g window.webkitNotifications
  416. # [05:49] <bot-t> tw2113, Ajaxian Desktop Notifications with Webkit - http://ajaxian.com/archives/desktop-notifications-with-webkit
  417. # [05:50] <tw2113> ah
  418. # [05:50] <tw2113> gotcha
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  424. # [06:09] <gandoff> hm this is great. when my table's border is 1, safari renders properly. when it's 0, safari right aligns the table
  425. # [06:09] <gandoff> wtf
  426. # [06:09] <gandoff> even CAMINO renders the page properly
  427. # [06:12] <gandoff> mm, 4x4 spacer gifs to the rescue!
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  435. # [06:37] <grantg> paul_irish: Look what you made me do: https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/318a840ce10e90d87391d83d0b0a84dbb1290518
  436. # [06:37] <grantg> I reverted a revert in response to the yes. :/
  437. # [06:37] <paul_irish> reversion ftw
  438. # [06:38] <grantg> "Reverted a revert (I must not go derper)."
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  440. # [06:39] <grantg> Now I use -1 to 1 of the amplitude range
  441. # [06:39] <grantg> instead of 0 to 1
  442. # [06:40] * danheberden is now known as danheberden|away
  443. # [06:40] <grantg> I had used 0 to 1 previously because drop-offs were less noticeable with that range
  444. # [06:40] <grantg> but utilizing -1 to 0 doubles the volume/ :D
  445. # [06:41] <grantg> though this is not what real gameboy hardware does
  446. # [06:41] <grantg> Gameboys only have a positive scale amplitude
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  448. # [06:41] <grantg> but this doesn't matter, because computer speakers are much way better quality
  449. # [06:42] <grantg> so the low pass attribute natural to a positive scale is unrelated even to when I was using it
  450. # [06:42] <grantg> and computer OSes apply such a filter anyhow usually
  451. # [06:42] <grantg> I hope. :P
  452. # [06:43] * danheberden|away is now known as danheberden
  453. # [06:44] * grantg notes instead of the amplitude going from 0 to 1, it now goes from -1 to 1, which means natural filter effects from speakers themselves apply differently in this case.
  454. # [06:44] <grantg> so the sound may marginally be different if you have shitty speakers
  455. # [06:44] <tw2113> let me know when it goes to 11 :D
  456. # [06:44] <grantg> or your OS does weird shit
  457. # [06:45] <grantg> tw2113: ^_^
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  459. # [06:45] * grantg notes that for most of the time, the amplitude will actually be somewhere between -1 and 0 now
  460. # [06:46] * grantg is throwing your computer speakers' magnets in reverse
  461. # [06:46] <tw2113> nooooo
  462. # [06:46] <tw2113> ok
  463. # [06:47] <grantg> tw2113: Because each audio channel (total of 4) gets at most an amplitude of 0.5
  464. # [06:47] <tw2113> ahh
  465. # [06:48] <grantg> And I adjust by subtracting -1 from the running total
  466. # [06:48] <tw2113> well then.....technically make it 10, but label it 11 :D
  467. # [06:48] <tw2113> theoretically
  468. # [06:48] <grantg> so it goes from 0-2 to -1-1
  469. # [06:48] <tw2113> even if it's technically 1
  470. # [06:48] <tw2113> yeah, i'm just being dumb, don't mind me
  471. # [06:48] <grantg> tw2113: I don't even know why I'm discussing this here. :/
  472. # [06:49] <grantg> paul_irish: I might into a floating point problem
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  474. # [06:49] <tw2113> sunday night an bored?
  475. # [06:49] <grantg> yesh
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  477. # [06:49] <gandoff> he's trying to show off to get you in the sack
  478. # [06:50] <grantg> gandoff: huh?
  479. # [06:50] <grantg> Any talk like that belongs in #reddit
  480. # [06:50] <gandoff> or #bearcave on EFnet
  481. # [06:50] <grantg> I wonder how you know...
  482. # [06:50] <grantg> Even I didn't know that chan existed
  483. # [06:50] <tw2113> i have no idea who's talking aout what
  484. # [06:51] <grantg> tw2113: good
  485. # [06:51] <tw2113> freaking keyboard
  486. # [06:51] <tw2113> about*
  487. # [06:51] <grantg> #html5 != #reddit != what ever #bearcave is
  488. # [06:53] <grantg> paul_irish: There might be a decimal point round up problem potentially causing volume for one of my audio channels to just barely get over 0.50 amplitude
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  490. # [06:53] <grantg> and if all channels do 0.50 with the one with "a little extra from FPU round up" then I might get an amplitude like 1.00000000000000001
  491. # [06:53] <grantg> I doubt that will mess up webkit audio
  492. # [06:54] <grantg> Because I believe these audio apis clip any amplitude beyond -1-1
  493. # [06:54] <grantg> so anything above 1 equals 1
  494. # [06:54] <grantg> etc
  495. # [06:55] <gandoff> grant, why did you switch from 0 1 to -1 1
  496. # [06:55] <grantg> gandoff: double the maximum volume
  497. # [06:55] <grantg> ;)
  498. # [06:56] <gandoff> is this one of those american "bigger must be better" things?
  499. # [06:56] <gandoff> aka eP33n
  500. # [06:56] <grantg> So I can blast gameboy music at double the volume as from before
  501. # [06:57] <grantg> gandoff: I think your other tab right now is youjizz and you're carrying on a conversation here while multitasking with that site. D:
  502. # [06:57] <grantg> just a guess
  503. # [06:57] <grantg> ...
  504. # [06:59] <gandoff> no
  505. # [06:59] <gandoff> gandoffsnaughtycloset.org.cn
  506. # [06:59] <gandoff> but close
  507. # [07:00] <grantg> heh
  508. # [07:02] <tw2113> how's things otherwise grantg
  509. # [07:02] <grantg> nothing much
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  511. # [07:02] <grantg> what's going on in tw2113-ville?
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  513. # [07:03] <grantg> I've held off some of my code projects for the time being due to massive amounts of karma-seeking on reddit. :/
  514. # [07:03] <tw2113> thinking i should consider sleep before too long, and know we're moving offices before the end of february
  515. # [07:03] <tw2113> so that'll be fun
  516. # [07:03] <grantg> moving always gets you out of a rut for some time
  517. # [07:04] <tw2113> it'll be to a more proper office too, instead of a couple rooms in an older building
  518. # [07:04] <tw2113> right next to train tracks :\
  519. # [07:04] <grantg> nice
  520. # [07:05] <tw2113> the current place is next to tracks, the new place won't be :D
  521. # [07:05] <tw2113> i can't wait, i'm anxious for it all
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  530. # [07:16] * grantg forgot to mention a gameboy does additive channel mixing, not averaging
  531. # [07:17] <grantg> So the voltages add up
  532. # [07:17] <grantg> hence the 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5
  533. # [07:17] <grantg> and no division
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  535. # [07:21] <tw2113> time to crash for the night
  536. # [07:21] <tw2113> cya grantg
  537. # [07:21] <grantg> nn
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  542. # [07:39] <grantg> nn
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  547. # [08:08] <paul_irish> Moo-_: that's you, right? ;)
  548. # [08:14] <paul_irish> nope. french moo and finish moo.
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  552. # [08:21] <franksalim> Microsoft is running IE9 ads inside of Quake Live
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  555. # [08:28] <gandoff> i'd like to see how low that ctr is :P
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  559. # [08:33] <WRA> franks: IE9 ads everywhere
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  561. # [08:33] <WRA> supposedly it has "Hardware accelerated canvas"
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  563. # [08:33] <WRA> but it runs just as fast as FF
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  565. # [08:35] <alcuadrado> are forms without action valid html5?
  566. # [08:43] * Moo-_ doesn't know any French
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  569. # [08:49] <gandoff> in absolute positioning, is that for the screen per se? or is there, hopefully, some way to get a handle on something more dynamic. eg, to get the left edge of my element's containing block
  570. # [08:49] <gandoff> i was thinking, if CSS isn't currently able to gracefully handle my site design's layout, i could fall back to gangster ass absolute positioning
  571. # [08:50] <gandoff> i spent a week trying to get the css for this design together, close, not quite. whipped up the table layout version in 20 min, pixel perfect and resizes
  572. # [08:50] <gandoff> heh
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  574. # [08:51] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I might buy this, you want one too? PM me your address. http://bit.ly/hO9yUc
  575. # [08:51] <paul_irish> sexyhot
  576. # [08:52] <Neiluj> alcuadrado: w3's validator said yes
  577. # [08:52] <gandoff> you KNOW that was MS PR intentionally marketing to the hoards of homosexual techies
  578. # [08:52] <gandoff> assholes
  579. # [08:52] <gandoff> "dragonfruit pink" i mean c'mon!
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  581. # [08:55] <niftylettuce> ?...
  582. # [08:55] <bot-t> event.timeStamp: This attribute returns the number of milliseconds since January 1, 1970, when the event is triggered. http://api.jquery.com/event.timeStamp/
  583. # [08:58] <paul_irish> gandoff: css is pretty off topic for this channel, so i wouldnt expect much assistance here.
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  587. # [09:01] <gandoff> paul_irish: the thing is, my design has actually proven to be an extremely difficult case for CSS. i'd like to suggest we tackle it as a group for the intellectual challenge if nothing else
  588. # [09:02] <paul_irish> why do you keep changing your nick?
  589. # [09:02] <gandoff> keep? key is my regular and gandoff is when i'm gaming
  590. # [09:02] <gandoff> it's so my friends know when i'm in game
  591. # [09:02] <niftylettuce> gandoff: type /topic
  592. # [09:03] <gandoff> long story, but basically key was a restricted username back on this MUD i played long ass time ago, so i made a gaming alt
  593. # [09:03] <gandoff> i have read it. yes?
  594. # [09:04] <gandoff> i spent a week brushing up on html, researching html 5, and have my data structure right. remember you guys saying now just make the damn thing? that's been the past week, styling that structured data
  595. # [09:05] <gandoff> i've stumped a couple of friends who are CSS professionals and tried to help me build it
  596. # [09:05] <gandoff> so i figured i'd throw it to the only other bad asses i know
  597. # [09:05] <Neiluj> gandoff: your case is not an extremely diffcult one, I solved it
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  601. # [09:08] <franksalim> WRA: yeah. I was amused to see that during my video game time.
  602. # [09:08] <danbeam> paul_irish: I lol'ed at the dragonfruit pink
  603. # [09:08] <paul_irish> :) forreal
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  612. # [09:36] <WRA> @fank: yeah I just wish they got a better JavaScript engine as their HW accelerated canvas rendering is just as fast as FF software render ;)
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  631. # [11:16] <mokush> anybody worked with javascriptmvc?
  632. # [11:16] <Neiluj> nope currently coding with backbone
  633. # [11:17] <mokush> man these build scripts are driving me nuts, I'm considering becoming a baker
  634. # [11:21] <Neiluj> code generators ?
  635. # [11:26] <jetienne> any advice on a common js require() implementation in browser ?
  636. # [11:26] <WRA> hmm, what are some of the benefits of using JavaScriptMVC
  637. # [11:27] <mokush> Neiluj: no, these production build systems, like the requirejs build script, or the javascriptmvc build script.
  638. # [11:27] <mokush> WRA: well I just wanted the build script and the dependency manager
  639. # [11:27] <mokush> and they just hate me
  640. # [11:29] <WRA> the build script is nice
  641. # [11:31] <mokush> WRA: well, it doesn't bloody work with the templates
  642. # [11:31] <WRA> hah
  643. # [11:31] <mokush> or I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what
  644. # [11:32] <WRA> know any JavaScript compilers (rofl) I have a HUGE project and I want to "compile" it into one file and maintain the classes in their own
  645. # [11:32] <WRA> just to maintain my sanity
  646. # [11:33] <WRA> I think I'm at 2,000+ lines of code
  647. # [11:34] <mokush> WRA: well mvc's script does this pretty good.
  648. # [11:34] <mokush> it's just the template embeding that doesn't seem to work.
  649. # [11:34] <WRA> I may just make a NodeJS server that auto minimizes/compiles from a directory
  650. # [11:34] <Neiluj> WRA: what about closure compiler ?
  651. # [11:35] <Neiluj> or uglifier ?
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  653. # [11:37] <WRA> will it take multiple files and compile them together?
  654. # [11:45] <gandoff> is it possible to center text if you make an A a block and set a large width?
  655. # [11:47] <WRA> text-align center yo
  656. # [11:47] <WRA> would be cleaner to wrap it in a div tho
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  658. # [11:47] <gandoff> wrap the A?
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  664. # [11:52] <gandoff> WRA: thanks bro that worked
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  667. # [11:57] <gandoff> what mark up do you guys suggest for the copyright/legal notice in the footer?
  668. # [11:57] <gandoff> naturally smaller, but i'm sure there's some kind of semantic tag specific for it now :P
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  674. # [12:04] <Evet__> adobe going to add "export as html5" feature to flash \o/
  675. # [12:04] <gandoff> really?
  676. # [12:04] <Evet__> yep
  677. # [12:05] <gandoff> url?
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  679. # [12:05] <gandoff> btw, wra, my vertical-align: bottom isn't working. know why?
  680. # [12:05] <Evet__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69S22ZBBqA
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  684. # [12:08] <gandoff> cool
  685. # [12:08] <gandoff> http://htmlhelp.com/reference/css/text/vertical-align.html
  686. # [12:08] <gandoff> that says it only works on inline elements
  687. # [12:08] <gandoff> but what about this A that i stylized to be 'box size'
  688. # [12:08] <gandoff> much larger than myt ext, like a button
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  691. # [12:15] <Neiluj> Evet__: it's not really a flash to html5 export, it's more like a vector to <canvas> export
  692. # [12:19] <Neiluj> Evet__: I mean it does Flash animation conversion but I don't think it will do more, could be great if it will but I have no hope
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  695. # [12:21] <Evet__> Neiluj: how much do you pay for a flash to html5 conversion (everything, even webgl too) software?
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  701. # [12:26] <gandoff> what should you mark up copyright text with?
  702. # [12:26] <gandoff> for the footer
  703. # [12:27] <benschwarz> <small> is good
  704. # [12:28] <benschwarz> small isn't as in size, its as in its of little relevence to the content
  705. # [12:29] <benschwarz> @gandoff
  706. # [12:29] <gandoff> oh
  707. # [12:29] <gandoff> ok, thanks!
  708. # [12:32] <gandoff> what if you have 2 lines of small test? 1 for copyright, 2nd for basic string of links/sitemap. how do i get the line break in there?
  709. # [12:32] <gandoff> @benschwarz
  710. # [12:32] <benschwarz> p br? up to you
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  712. # [12:33] <gandoff> isn't <BR> bad to use now?
  713. # [12:34] <benschwarz> not when you use it as its intended
  714. # [12:34] <gandoff> which is how?
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  716. # [12:37] <gandoff> is there any css to space inline elements from each other? i have some LIs inline
  717. # [12:38] <gandoff> i want a gap between them and i don't wanna use border-right
  718. # [12:39] <benschwarz> gandoff margin-right
  719. # [12:40] <gandoff> benschwarz: ah that will work, thank you. yet, isn't there some kind of "spacing" property on UL's?
  720. # [12:40] <benschwarz> also http://developers.whatwg.org/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element
  721. # [12:40] <gandoff> *reading*
  722. # [12:40] <gandoff> excellent doc, thank you!
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  729. # [12:44] <gandoff> back
  730. # [12:44] <gandoff> member:benschwarz: ah that will work, thank you. yet, isn't there some kind of "spacing" property on UL's?
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  753. # [14:10] <Neiluj> any compass user here ?
  754. # [14:10] <nimbupani> yep
  755. # [14:11] <Neiluj> hey nimbupani :) do you know why compass isn't vendor-prefixing my css3 properties like sass does normally ?
  756. # [14:11] <nimbupani> u didnt use css3 mixin?
  757. # [14:11] <nimbupani> ?paste
  758. # [14:11] <bot-t> Please paste your code at http://jsfiddle.net/ . If that is down then you may use: http://paste.pocoo.org/+js , or http://fixee.org/
  759. # [14:11] <Neiluj> no didn't use the css3 mixins since I knew sass would care about them
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  761. # [14:12] <jquerier> hello it seems like css3 is supported by the most browsers and HTML5 not am i right?
  762. # [14:12] <nimbupani> what do u mean sass would care about them?
  763. # [14:13] <Neiluj> jquerier: HTML5 is a lot of features actually, some browsers support some features
  764. # [14:13] <Neiluj> nimbupani: it does vendors prefixing by default, am I right ?
  765. # [14:13] <nimbupani> not that i know of!
  766. # [14:13] <daleharvey> http://caniuse.com
  767. # [14:14] <Neiluj> nimbupani: oh! I thought it was... but I had a non-common use of sass :D
  768. # [14:14] <nimbupani> wat
  769. # [14:14] <Neiluj> nimbupani: (don't tell : a PHP port...)
  770. # [14:14] <nimbupani> ugh
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  772. # [14:15] <Neiluj> yeah yeah, just to see if I can do it on server, I couldn't install ruby
  773. # [14:15] <Neiluj> now I'm working on local where I have ruby and just tested compass, not sass alone
  774. # [14:16] <Neiluj> mixins are great but would have been greater if prefixing have been automatic :(
  775. # [14:19] <Neiluj> nimbupani: no mixin about appearance property ?
  776. # [14:20] <nimbupani> but how else can u prefix?
  777. # [14:20] <nimbupani> automatically how?
  778. # [14:20] <Neiluj> just like normal css writing ? border-radius: 5px;
  779. # [14:21] <nimbupani> but that wont work.
  780. # [14:21] <Neiluj> PHamlP is doing this
  781. # [14:21] <Neiluj> no it doesnt
  782. # [14:21] <nimbupani> well then u should use PHamIP
  783. # [14:21] <nimbupani> :)
  784. # [14:21] <Neiluj> that's why I'm asking ;)
  785. # [14:21] <nimbupani> its not a usecase for Sass
  786. # [14:21] <Neiluj> nah don't like it :)
  787. # [14:21] <Neiluj> yeah, it gets me wrong
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  800. # [14:45] <Neiluj> nimbupani: I forked compass and added the appearance mixin, I'm not a rubyist but do you know how could I build "my" compass to test ?
  801. # [14:46] <nimbupani> me neither Neiluj
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  803. # [14:46] <Neiluj> ok, I'll wait for chriseppstein ;)
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  818. # [15:34] <Peter`> psh mike5w3c. I bet you tweeted that with @w3c
  819. # [15:34] <Peter`> about ten seconds before I tweeted :)
  820. # [15:35] <mike5w3c> I had one of secretaries tweet that
  821. # [15:36] <mike5w3c> i am too busy tweeting about this wacky snow here in tokyo tonight
  822. # [15:36] <Peter`> sounds like it's quite bad
  823. # [15:36] <Peter`> ?weather Tokyo
  824. # [15:36] <bot-t> Peter`, Tokyo - Time: 23:33 Monday (JST), Weather: Rain, 2C / 36F
  825. # [15:37] <mike5w3c> walking in my neighborhood, I see some jackass taking a corner in the snow in one of these three-wheeled scooter things we have here
  826. # [15:37] <mike5w3c> and dude lays it down
  827. # [15:37] <mike5w3c> which normally wouldn't be funny
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  829. # [15:37] <mike5w3c> if he got hurt
  830. # [15:37] <mike5w3c> but he didn't
  831. # [15:37] <Peter`> hah
  832. # [15:38] <mike5w3c> because he actually was going really slow
  833. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> but what was REALLY funny was, right after dude gets back on, he hits the throttle and right away does it AGAIN
  834. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> except this time backwards
  835. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> or, I mean he spun the whole bike around
  836. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> so by this time I'm doing bellylaughs
  837. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> tears coming down my eyes
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  839. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> because this like a comedy show
  840. # [15:39] <mike5w3c> for free
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  863. # [16:25] <Benvie> soooooo
  864. # [16:26] <Benvie> how many h1's per page?
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  866. # [16:26] <Benvie> 1 or n
  867. # [16:31] <tw2113> well since articles and whatnot can now have them....
  868. # [16:31] <tw2113> however, i think it's intended that at the root level of the page structure, only 1 h1
  869. # [16:31] <Benvie> excellent, makes sense
  870. # [16:31] <Benvie> the only discussion I saw in favor of using more was on multi-article pages
  871. # [16:33] <cgcardona> but more than 1 validates
  872. # [16:33] <Benvie> yeah just talking on a semantic level
  873. # [16:33] <tw2113> structure matters
  874. # [16:33] <cgcardona> how many h1s depends on the situation
  875. # [16:35] <tw2113> reasons to not look at twitter today: vday gushing
  876. # [16:36] <cgcardona> haha
  877. # [16:36] <BrianBlakely> Benvie: h1 count definitely depends on the structure. HTML5 allows infinite h1s
  878. # [16:37] <BrianBlakely> This may clash with search spiders, it may not
  879. # [16:37] <Benvie> initially discussions i saw a year or two back had people citing Google that there should only ever be a single h1 on a page
  880. # [16:37] <Benvie> but then the more recent discussions were one per article
  881. # [16:37] <Benvie> no idea what Google thinks currently
  882. # [16:37] <tw2113> google is always going to adapt their searching
  883. # [16:37] <BrianBlakely> Benvie: That's not entirely true. Google just wants to see a focused topic
  884. # [16:38] <tw2113> i've seen quotes stating that they're going to see how people use the new tags and go based on that for adding meaning to them in their results
  885. # [16:38] <BrianBlakely> If your article's h1 is "Food", and another few h1s "Apples", "Steak", "Celery", Google will know this is a post about various food products
  886. # [16:38] <tw2113> meaning, if we don't use those tags, their adaption will be slower
  887. # [16:38] <BrianBlakely> Then, of course, cross-linking plays into the equation
  888. # [16:39] <BrianBlakely> If you do the "right" thing, and have good content, you will be ranked well
  889. # [16:39] <BrianBlakely> Trust the system
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  898. # [16:44] <ruben-> I've got a div that's draggable, with 2 divs in it - is it possible to disable dragging when the second div is clicked?
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  900. # [16:50] <BrianBlakely> ruben-: You can remove the event handler on the draggable element when the 2nd div is clicked
  901. # [16:50] <ruben-> Tought of that workaround, but there is no native function to allow it to me?
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  903. # [16:52] <BrianBlakely> Hmm, not that I'm aware
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  906. # [16:53] <BrianBlakely> You might be able to leverage e.target in the dragging events
  907. # [16:54] <BrianBlakely> ruben-: Did you try this?
  908. # [16:54] <BrianBlakely> See if e.target within the dragging event matches the 2nd div, and then prevent the dragging from executing if that is the case
  909. # [16:54] <BrianBlakely> Could work
  910. # [16:55] <ruben-> target is the main div
  911. # [16:55] <ruben-> the container
  912. # [16:55] <ruben-> is there something like e.originalEvent or something?
  913. # [16:55] <ruben-> Because I think it's just cascaded to the container..
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  918. # [17:09] <BrianBlakely> ruben: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/event.type
  919. # [17:09] <BrianBlakely> ruben-
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  922. # [17:16] <ruben-> hmz
  923. # [17:16] <ruben-> dragstart isn't even called from my second div..
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  943. # [17:48] <BrianBlakely> Did anyone download the Spoon IEs while they were up on iecss.com?
  944. # [17:48] <BrianBlakely> I was foolish enough to wait out the weekend
  945. # [17:50] * bentruyman is now known as another_ben
  946. # [17:53] <nimbupani> ?tell antonkovalyov pinggg i wanna ask about RTL stuff :|
  947. # [17:53] <bot-t> nimbupani, Okay.
  948. # [17:57] <miketaylr> BrianBlakely: pm
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  954. # [18:04] <tw2113> interesting, "Belfast, Ireland" returns multiple lat/long coordinates while Belfast, UK returns 1
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  962. # [18:25] <ruben-> Is there a way with dragging to not make the "shadow" apear?
  963. # [18:25] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely:
  964. # [18:25] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/spoonapps/status/36526822585929728
  965. # [18:25] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/fGtZMg @spoonapps: The browsers at iecss are *not legal*. Pls do not use. Team has been working very hard on a sol'n. Pls respect and be patient a bit longer.
  966. # [18:25] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/spoonapps/status/36532065243643904
  967. # [18:25] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/fvxLqL @spoonapps: @palleman iecss.com is *not* affiliated in any way with Spoon, and their use of Spoon tech is not legal.
  968. # [18:25] <ruben-> I want to move my div I'm dragging realtime (so with ondrag), but the shadow keeps on showing..
  969. # [18:27] <paul_irish> some guy made this
  970. # [18:27] <paul_irish> feed reader (html5 offline capable) http://www.purplegene.com/reader
  971. # [18:27] <paul_irish> it's pretty noice
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  974. # [18:33] <Brodingo> aw she aint here :(
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  976. # [18:35] <nimbupani> here
  977. # [18:36] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely:
  978. # [18:36] <paul_irish> Brodingo: rather
  979. # [18:36] <Brodingo> oh i was curious about inspecting pseudo elements
  980. # [18:37] <Brodingo> i thought at least if you were inspecting an element their :after rules would be there
  981. # [18:37] <nimbupani> in which tool Brodingo
  982. # [18:37] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Heya Paul
  983. # [18:37] <Brodingo> right now im using safari
  984. # [18:37] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Misfire mention?
  985. # [18:37] <Brodingo> does it work in other inspectors ?
  986. # [18:38] <nimbupani> i think only Opera as far as I can tell
  987. # [18:38] <nimbupani> firebug still doesnt that i know for sure
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  989. # [18:38] <nimbupani> i mean dragonfly
  990. # [18:38] <Brodingo> right
  991. # [18:38] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Ah, the tweet. Yes, I saw that. I'm concurrently trying out the Utilu suite you mentioned
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  994. # [18:40] <paul_irish> cool. they're aiight but were a littttle more buggy
  995. # [18:40] <nimbupani> but webkit tools does show
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  997. # [18:40] <nimbupani> whats that u wish to know?
  998. # [18:40] <JSK_> I want to view my IndexedDB like I can my WebSQL lol.
  999. # [18:40] <JSK_> Console.Log is amazing but not good enough :P
  1000. # [18:41] <Brodingo> oh dangit theyre at the bottom :|
  1001. # [18:41] <Brodingo> my dumb
  1002. # [18:41] <nimbupani> yeah
  1003. # [18:41] <Brodingo> ty nimbu
  1004. # [18:41] <nimbupani> my pleasure Brodingo
  1005. # [18:42] <BrianBlakely> Getting IE6 working perfectly in Win7x64 seems impossible (Utilu's IE6 is unusable), so hopefully Spoon has something up their sleeves
  1006. # [18:43] <paul_irish> hope so
  1007. # [18:43] <paul_irish> they said somethigna bot march 4th
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  1012. # [18:52] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: yo i heard disqus sucks with RTL
  1013. # [18:52] <antonkovalyov> that would be true
  1014. # [18:52] <bot-t> (59 mins 30 secs ago) <nimbupani> tell antonkovalyov pinggg i wanna ask about RTL stuff :|
  1015. # [18:52] <paul_irish> lol
  1016. # [18:52] <nimbupani> :)
  1017. # [18:53] <antonkovalyov> we didn't have too many requests about rtl to dedicate any good amount of time on the support
  1018. # [18:53] <antonkovalyov> why? who needs it?
  1019. # [18:53] <nimbupani> its terrible antonkovalyov
  1020. # [18:53] <nimbupani> WE
  1021. # [18:53] <nimbupani> html5boilerplate!
  1022. # [18:53] <paul_irish> http://he.html5boilerplate.com
  1023. # [18:53] <nimbupani> i had to put dir=rtl on the div
  1024. # [18:53] <nimbupani> coz if i put it on the body or html
  1025. # [18:53] <nimbupani> the invisible iframe starts scrolling
  1026. # [18:54] <nimbupani> coz it uses pos: abs and left: -20000
  1027. # [18:54] <nimbupani> which upsets rtl (should use right: −20000 for rtl)
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  1029. # [18:54] <antonkovalyov> oh
  1030. # [18:54] <antonkovalyov> hm
  1031. # [18:54] <antonkovalyov> that would be easyxdm
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  1033. # [18:55] <nimbupani> okay :|
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  1035. # [18:55] <antonkovalyov> interesting
  1036. # [18:55] <paul_irish> blame the norwegian!
  1037. # [18:55] <nimbupani> buttttt can it be fixed?||
  1038. # [18:55] <nimbupani> hahaha
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  1040. # [18:55] <antonkovalyov> eh, i'll spend some time this week on that :-)
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  1043. # [18:56] <nimbupani> THNXXXXX antonkovalyov
  1044. # [18:56] <nimbupani> thats like min
  1045. # [18:56] <nimbupani> then we need rtf in comments also >_>
  1046. # [18:56] <antonkovalyov> btw can somebody do the display: box thingy on jshint/site?
  1047. # [18:56] <antonkovalyov> i completely inept at understanding css
  1048. # [18:56] <nimbupani> ORLY
  1049. # [18:56] <nimbupani> u mean u dont give a damn
  1050. # [18:57] <antonkovalyov> everytime i write some css, i start kicking my monitor
  1051. # [18:57] <antonkovalyov> dunno why
  1052. # [18:57] <paul_irish> nimbupani can u flexbox that shit
  1053. # [18:57] <antonkovalyov> basically, i did that display: box and everything else from the tutorial
  1054. # [18:58] <nimbupani> ok ok ok
  1055. # [18:58] <antonkovalyov> and my divs dissapeared :)
  1056. # [18:58] <paul_irish> did you use the prefixes?
  1057. # [18:58] <antonkovalyov> i said fuck it and went snowboarding
  1058. # [18:58] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, ya
  1059. # [18:58] <paul_irish> snowboardinggggg \o/
  1060. # [18:58] <paul_irish> do you have goggle sunburn?
  1061. # [18:58] <BrianBlakely> I'm going skiing for the first time this weekend. Fear.. >_>
  1062. # [18:58] <antonkovalyov> nah, i used sun screen
  1063. # [18:59] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, that was my first day of skiing and snowboarding
  1064. # [18:59] <antonkovalyov> snowboarding is so much more fun
  1065. # [18:59] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, and also i am not whitey so i dont get sunburned that easily :)
  1066. # [19:00] <paul_irish> hahaha good move.
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  1069. # [19:00] <nimbupani> WHITEY
  1070. # [19:00] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: i've only went skiing once. i was... okay.. not tremendously great.
  1071. # [19:01] <JSK_> Let's not blame the Norwegians. They're cool.
  1072. # [19:01] <JSK_> For shame paul_irish
  1073. # [19:01] <JSK_> :P
  1074. # [19:02] <paul_irish> i ♥ .no
  1075. # [19:02] <antonkovalyov> we should all do snowboarding
  1076. # [19:02] <antonkovalyov> and it looks much cooler
  1077. # [19:04] <BrianBlakely> I did go snowboarding once… mostly with my nose, rather than the board
  1078. # [19:04] <nimbupani> hahahahah BrianBlakely
  1079. # [19:04] <BrianBlakely> t'was a good time, but I think I'll definitely be taking lessons before hitting the slopes this weekend
  1080. # [19:05] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, haha
  1081. # [19:05] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: Sounds like you fared better, that's great
  1082. # [19:05] <antonkovalyov> i got a lesson and it was so awesome, i upgraded the ticket to two more lessons — level 2 and 3
  1083. # [19:05] <BrianBlakely> Smart!
  1084. # [19:06] <antonkovalyov> the deal is awesome, $35 for 2.5h lesson, gear rent and lift ticket
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  1086. # [19:06] <JSK_> I'm not Norwegian so I dont actually care that much. :P
  1087. # [19:07] <JSK_> But I am of German descent.
  1088. # [19:07] <JSK_> lol
  1089. # [19:07] <JSK_> I drink like one on occasion.
  1090. # [19:08] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: That is a great deal
  1091. # [19:08] <BrianBlakely> http://wp.arcticstartup.com/2010/12/08/rocket-pack-launches-html5-cross-platform-social-game-warimals-in-alpha/
  1092. # [19:08] <BrianBlakely> First HTML5 Facebook game
  1093. # [19:09] <BrianBlakely> It's awesome that the game's homepage doesn't work in Chr9
  1094. # [19:09] <JSK_> Anyone happen to know where the github/svn/whatever for Chrome's indexeddb is?
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  1097. # [19:10] <JSK_> Lookin for the testcases.
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  1099. # [19:11] <BrianBlakely> JSK_: http://codesearch.google.com/codesearch?as_q=indexeddb&btnG=Search+Code&hl=en&vert=chromium&filesuggest=&as_lang=&as_filename=&as_class=&as_function=&;as_case=
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  1101. # [19:12] <JSK_> Now why couldn't I find that. I kept getting .tw spam sites that were pissing off my corp proxy.
  1102. # [19:12] <JSK_> lol
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  1105. # [19:17] <paul_irish> oh my this is so fantastic http://laserey.es/
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  1108. # [19:18] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: This is the kind of thing that skuh-reams for <device>
  1109. # [19:18] <JSK_> That is pretty cool paul_irish
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  1112. # [19:21] <nimbupani> sooon BrianBlakely
  1113. # [19:22] <BrianBlakely> I wait patiently but eagerly nimbupani
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  1127. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> Want to get my augmented reality on. And Minority Report interfaces.
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  1141. # [20:01] * JSK_ gets angry at IndexedDB again.
  1142. # [20:03] <paul_irish> IE9 will be available for Windows Phone 7 in the second half of 2011, offering "a dramatically enhanced mobile Web browser experience." \o/
  1143. # [20:05] <jetienne_> BrianBlakely: do you have a ref on the fact that warimals is the first
  1144. # [20:07] <antonkovalyov> yo paul_irish is there video/slides of your jsbbq talk? did you talk about something i might not know about devtools?
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  1149. # [20:10] <niftylettuce> \o/
  1150. # [20:11] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: yeah definitely captured a lot of new shit
  1151. # [20:11] <paul_irish> i'm getting a video of it tonight
  1152. # [20:11] <paul_irish> but will probably rerecord anyway
  1153. # [20:11] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I started working on https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/23
  1154. # [20:11] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, SHIT, i want it now
  1155. # [20:11] <antonkovalyov> i want to know everything
  1156. # [20:11] <paul_irish> niftylettuce: hot shit
  1157. # [20:11] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: shoulda come.
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  1159. # [20:12] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, was in tahoe
  1160. # [20:12] <niftylettuce> it sucks for people like me living in PA...
  1161. # [20:12] <miketaylr> niftylettuce: we're probably gonna do an event in Philly this spring
  1162. # [20:12] <paul_irish> \o/
  1163. # [20:12] <miketaylr> s/we're/Opera/
  1164. # [20:12] <niftylettuce> slick thats like 3 hrs away
  1165. # [20:13] <niftylettuce> lmk
  1166. # [20:13] <miketaylr> should be cool, open web stuff :)
  1167. # [20:13] <niftylettuce> opera?
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  1169. # [20:13] <miketaylr> yep
  1170. # [20:14] <miketaylr> i think it's still being planned tho, hopefully have some more details soon
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  1174. # [20:18] <niftylettuce> anyone recommend good mice/mouse for non-Mac?
  1175. # [20:18] <niftylettuce> *nix based
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  1181. # [20:20] <BrianBlakely> ?tell jetienne_ Only their own claim that it is, indeed, the first. And the fact that Facebook only recently reached out to say "Hey, start making HTML5 games!"
  1182. # [20:20] <bot-t> BrianBlakely, Okay.
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  1184. # [20:22] <BrianBlakely> NYC Folk: Doing a talk at TheLadders for Refresh NYC on March 2nd: http://www.meetup.com/refreshnyc/events/16247095/
  1185. # [20:23] <BrianBlakely> Please attend and provide pointed questions/scathing corrections
  1186. # [20:24] <Moo-_> http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-212fb25b7c8c9732bee73f8a543382c7
  1187. # [20:24] <BrianBlakely> Seems like it'll be a good crowd, these talks are usually productive
  1188. # [20:27] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell grantg https://github.com/jussi-kalliokoski/audiolib.js heads up b
  1189. # [20:27] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
  1190. # [20:28] <niftylettuce> bot-t: tell niftylettuce to work harder, smarter, faster
  1191. # [20:28] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Okay.
  1192. # [20:28] <danbeam> lol
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  1196. # [20:35] <daleharvey> heh few quick updates to pastebin.me - http://pastebin.me/e17057134b134eefcf58f464ad03a6e4
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  1204. # [20:51] <BrianBlakely> Anyone have some favorite Chrome Experiments or HTML5 demos that aren't related to Canvas or games?
  1205. # [20:51] <BrianBlakely> Putting together an inspiration piece for the company
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  1207. # [20:52] <Peter`> With the danger of promoting the Web Audio API to be part of HTML5: http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/index.html
  1208. # [20:52] <Peter`> together with WebGL that is, in my opinion, one of the more exciting changes
  1209. # [20:53] <daleharvey> BrianBlakely: http://slides.html5rocks.com/#landing-slide has the kitchen sink in there
  1210. # [20:53] <BrianBlakely> Peter`: This is on my list already. I agree, it's huge :)
  1211. # [20:54] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: Thanks, this will be helpful when I can't find less theoretical demos for certain things.
  1212. # [20:56] <BrianBlakely> The focus of the piece is — in a sentence — "HTML5 allows us to turn away from magazine-driven design through data-driven interaction"
  1213. # [20:56] <BrianBlakely> I added http://laserey.es/ in there earlier today
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  1215. # [21:02] <BrianBlakely> http://newyork.interhoods.org/ is a nice example of data-driven and software-like design
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  1224. # [21:12] <BrianBlakely> http://www.monocubed.com/2010/10/29/make3d-native-drag-drop-in-browser/
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  1226. # [21:13] <BrianBlakely> This fellow's demos are really terrific when it comes to using modern tech in convincingly innovative ways
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  1233. # [21:19] <JSK_> I wish there was a way to view DB contents in Firebug or Chrome Dev Tools on IndexedDB.
  1234. # [21:21] <jetienne_> es5 shim work in server side too ? in nodejs for example ?
  1235. # [21:21] <bot-t> (1 hour 1 min 10 secs ago) <BrianBlakely> tell jetienne_ Only their own claim that it is, indeed, the first. And the fact that Facebook only recently reached out to say "Hey, start making HTML5 games!"
  1236. # [21:21] <jetienne_> ?
  1237. # [21:22] <BrianBlakely> Oh, you asked "How do you know it's the first HTML5 Facebook game?" but you bailed before I could respond
  1238. # [21:22] <jetienne_> BrianBlakely: ah ok
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  1249. # [21:57] <tw2113> yay! it's monday
  1250. # [22:00] <masondesu> hooray
  1251. # [22:01] <masondesu> is anybody experiencing weirdness in the latest Chrome update? I feel like images just "don't load" sometimes, and then refuse to load when I refresh. Shift + Cmd + R is the only cure...
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  1253. # [22:03] <jetienne_> masondesu: got some of that today ye
  1254. # [22:04] <masondesu> jetienne_: I thought it was just my machine, but I'm seeing on separate machine... fresh install of Snow Leopard and latest Chrome. weird!
  1255. # [22:09] * jacine is now known as jacine|afk
  1256. # [22:11] <BrianBlakely> masondesu: Was checking out an Engadget gallery last night, I was having something like this, but I assumed it was their implementation. The image loaded the first time, but subsequent visits required a hard refresh
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  1258. # [22:12] <masondesu> brianblakely: I tried to replicate on some sites in FF and couldn't do it... I guess it must be Chome. hmm...
  1259. # [22:12] <jetienne_> 3 distinct personns at the same date... not a random thing
  1260. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> Were you guys also receive mysterious visitors a couple hours before?
  1261. # [22:14] <BrianBlakely> M…Maybe that was just me >_>
  1262. # [22:14] <masondesu> Yes, a man in a black suit with a Ukranian accent came to my door and demanded that I hand over some ancient statue... I told him go to hell, I don't have you statue
  1263. # [22:15] <masondesu> I got beat up... and Chrome is still doing that weird image thing
  1264. # [22:18] <jetienne_> masondesu: fill a bug ? http://new.crbug.com ?
  1265. # [22:18] <masondesu> getienne_: good idea
  1266. # [22:21] <masondesu> looks like the ticket is already open http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=68622
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  1268. # [22:24] <paul_irish> weird shit
  1269. # [22:27] <paul_irish> added something to it, masondesu
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  1271. # [22:29] <masondesu> paul_irish: interesting... is ctr+shift+R the windows equivalent of Cmd + Shift + R, or was he talking about in os x?
  1272. # [22:29] <paul_irish> the first.
  1273. # [22:30] <masondesu> gotcha.
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  1276. # [22:32] <grantg> paul_irish: The JITs V8 and JSC still are deoptimizing my memory maps
  1277. # [22:32] <bot-t> (2 hours 4 mins 30 secs ago) <paul_irish> tell grantg https://github.com/jussi-kalliokoski/audiolib.js heads up b
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  1280. # [22:32] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/f7861b83b560ba9fa106ba778d66947193d953c3
  1281. # [22:32] <grantg> Was not good enough. :/
  1282. # [22:32] <grantg> V8 still plays stupid there
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  1285. # [22:34] <grantg> paul_irish: When the JITs fail to JIT my stuff correctly, V8 and JSC slow down 3x
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  1287. # [22:35] <grantg> instead of v8 coming in around 40% CPU usage, it goes full retard and takes 105% CPU (one core, plus "a little more")
  1288. # [22:35] <paul_irish> :(
  1289. # [22:35] <grantg> And *I KNOW* V8 can do it fullspeed when it JITs well
  1290. # [22:36] <grantg> it seems setting values through the pointer to the target array gets deoptimized in V8
  1291. # [22:36] <grantg> and JSC
  1292. # [22:36] <grantg> So my latest patch didn't speed up anything
  1293. # [22:37] <grantg> of course somehow firefox's jaegermonkey is a little smarter and JITs perfectly
  1294. # [22:37] <grantg> a slower JIT than V8, but it doesn't choke up on retarded shit like this.
  1295. # [22:37] <JSK_> Meh. I just give up on Chrome IndexedDB for now.
  1296. # [22:38] <JSK_> The things worked in Firefox Beta 11 since this morning.
  1297. # [22:38] <grantg> JSK_: I'm talking about creating and storing functions inside a 1d array
  1298. # [22:39] <grantg> so that I can basically do memory[address] to execute memory handling for my project
  1299. # [22:39] <JSK_> grantg: yeah, I wasn't commenting on that. Just expressing hatred for IDB
  1300. # [22:39] <JSK_> :P
  1301. # [22:39] <grantg> You use indexedDB?
  1302. # [22:40] <JSK_> grantg: yep, internal demos for HTML5.
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  1304. # [22:40] * grantg does storage like a boss and JSONs my data and stores it inside window.localStorage
  1305. # [22:40] <JSK_> I've done the standard if webkitIndexedDB in window crap.
  1306. # [22:40] <JSK_> Chrome just isn't playing nice with my IDB demo.
  1307. # [22:41] <grantg> I don't know why I hate DB stuff
  1308. # [22:41] <grantg> Maybe b/c I ran into WTF issues with mysql in PHP
  1309. # [22:41] <JSK_> Most of HTML5 folks seem to prefer IndexedDB rather than WebSQL. I preferred the latter.
  1310. # [22:42] <JSK_> Doesn't matter anyway, IndexedDB is winner.
  1311. # [22:43] <JSK_> :P
  1312. # [22:43] <JSK_> I say we blame paul_irish since he blamed the Norwegians.
  1313. # [22:43] <paul_irish> sounds fair
  1314. # [22:43] * grantg thinks if the custom memory functions are set directly, then the pointer referral method to an array of funcs won't JIT horribly in V8
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  1316. # [22:44] <grantg> paul_irish: My LCD controller handling is done as funcs in an array and V8 and JSC JIT that well
  1317. # [22:44] <JSK_> paul_irish: http://pastebin.com/GMWWjgPf am i missing some new reassignment webkit needs?
  1318. # [22:44] <grantg> So I'll try to make my RAM emulation closer to that.
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  1320. # [22:46] <grantg> and it's where there's a pointer variable used to either point to the handling funcs in an array, or to a blank func
  1321. # [22:46] <grantg> but that works, so I'm gonna try to pre-compile the memory funcs in an array differently
  1322. # [22:48] <grantg> JSK_: Make sure that the standard property access for indexedDB wasn't just added
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  1324. # [22:49] <grantg> B/C if the normal ones and webkit ones exist at the same time, there could be trouble
  1325. # [22:49] <grantg> I doubt it though
  1326. # [22:49] <JSK_> I watched them get assigned in the DOM.
  1327. # [22:49] <JSK_> And there's no errors regarding undefined methods
  1328. # [22:50] <JSK_> it seems to query just return undefined in chrome
  1329. # [22:50] <grantg> Maybe the API simply got messed up
  1330. # [22:50] <grantg> like it's getting garbage collected like webkit's web audio in the latest chrome dev builds
  1331. # [22:51] <grantg> where it works for a few milliseconds, but screws up shortly after
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  1333. # [22:51] <JSK_> maybe
  1334. # [22:51] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ plays native audio in chrome for a few seconds, but mysteriously stops thereafter
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  1337. # [22:52] <grantg> seems that web audio in chrome gets GC'd and the event handler gets unregistered by the GC
  1338. # [22:55] <grantg> paul_irish: I added a one-liner that hacks around the GC bug
  1339. # [22:55] <grantg> audioNode.onaudioprocess = audioOutputEvent;
  1340. # [22:55] <paul_irish> boom
  1341. # [22:55] <paul_irish> works around the jitting bug?
  1342. # [22:55] <grantg> So the event handler gets reassigned every time the audio plays
  1343. # [22:55] <paul_irish> no diff bug
  1344. # [22:55] <grantg> paul_irish: web audio bug is what I'm talking about
  1345. # [22:56] <grantg> for that one-liner
  1346. # [22:56] <paul_irish> k
  1347. # [22:56] <grantg> where the audio stops playing
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  1349. # [22:56] <grantg> oh wait
  1350. # [22:56] <grantg> never mind
  1351. # [22:57] <grantg> chrome still fricken GC'd my event handler for audio processing thru the audio javascript node
  1352. # [22:57] <grantg> :/
  1353. # [22:58] <antonkovalyov> does anybody have a link to the article about using // as a protocol to pick up whatever the host page uses (http or https)?
  1354. # [22:58] <antonkovalyov> can't find it :(
  1355. # [22:59] * grantg hears chrome's GC though trying to remove the event every so often thru clicks and pops
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  1357. # [23:00] <Peter`> antonkovalyov: http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/async-analytics-snippet
  1358. # [23:00] <Peter`> there's a bit under the "Use the protocol check only when its needed" heading
  1359. # [23:00] <antonkovalyov> thanks Peter`!
  1360. # [23:01] <grantg> V8: Y U GC something that's not garbage?
  1361. # [23:02] <grantg> paul_irish: What's necessary to tell the GC not to garbage collect something in V8?
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  1363. # [23:03] <grantg> 2+ weeks
  1364. # [23:03] <grantg> paul_irish: web audio now has been broken ever since it landed into chrome
  1365. # [23:04] <grantg> http://build.chromium.org/f/chromium/snapshots/Mac/74850/ is broken
  1366. # [23:04] <grantg> :/
  1367. # [23:06] <grantg> gtg
  1368. # [23:06] <Peter`> ...
  1369. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> This reads like a Fox News article
  1370. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> http://blog.millermedeiros.com/2011/01/ipad-is-the-new-ie6/
  1371. # [23:06] <Peter`> it's only enabled on Mac
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  1373. # [23:06] <Peter`> you have to enable the feature manually
  1374. # [23:06] <Peter`> the page screams that it's experimental
  1375. # [23:06] <Peter`> and still it isn't obvious
  1376. # [23:06] * Peter` shrugs
  1377. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> Peter`: That's because it screams it using the web audio API
  1378. # [23:07] <BrianBlakely> So nobody can hear it >_>
  1379. # [23:07] <Peter`> Chrome would scare the heck out of me if it'd suddenly start giving vocal warnings about spontaneously combusting
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  1382. # [23:19] <JSK_> I totally agree on the iPad. Or anything Apple really.
  1383. # [23:19] <JSK_> They're worse than Microsoft in many ways when it comes to support.
  1384. # [23:20] <JSK_> And Safari on Windows doesnt have the 3D stuff.
  1385. # [23:20] <JSK_> And is generally a worse experience with HTML5 (in my experience).
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  1388. # [23:28] <Evet> html5 could be done 13 years ago
  1389. # [23:28] <JSK_> Yeah, HTML5 is mostly a cleanup of XHTML in many ways.
  1390. # [23:29] <JSK_> The browser engines were ignoring most of the crap in tags.
  1391. # [23:31] <Evet> i just dont understand why browser developers are anal retentive about new features
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  1393. # [23:33] <daleharvey> because we went through this all 8 years ago probably
  1394. # [23:34] <daleharvey> yay, new blog post - http://arandomurl.com/2011/02/13/developing-with-couchdb-on-android.html
  1395. # [23:35] <Evet> it means erlang on android!?
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  1397. # [23:38] <JSK_> daleharvey: that's awesome.
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  1400. # [23:40] <daleharvey> it is :) its not quite as cool as it can get yet but still pretty awesome
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  1405. # [23:45] <JSK_> Alright off I go.
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