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  36. # [00:31] <tw2113> i wonder if drule realizes this happens
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  55. # [00:50] <moo-_-> paul_irish: I am looking for something which is run when <body> is opened, not when it is closed
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  57. # [00:54] <digitalfiz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkrKq82M_QY
  58. # [00:54] <digitalfiz> WINNING!
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  60. # [00:57] <tw2113> first time i've actually looked at any footage of what he's said
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  66. # [01:04] <digitalfiz> tw2113, its pretty amazing he is someone ive wanted to study he's so crazy
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  93. # [02:10] <djQuery> this is a valid psudo selector isnt it? input:range {width: 50%;}
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  129. # [04:34] <uf0> should there be more than one <h1> on a page in general?
  130. # [04:34] <nimbupani> you could have more than 1
  131. # [04:34] <nimbupani> just dont have 100s
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  134. # [04:42] <Kitu> hello
  135. # [04:43] <uf0> i hear it's 1 according to mr. google/seo
  136. # [04:43] <Kitu> how to give 100% of height at my page ?
  137. # [04:44] <Kitu> all the content
  138. # [04:45] <Kitu> i'm going to go on #css3 rather
  139. # [04:46] <Kitu> -_-
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  182. # [06:59] <grantg> paul_irish: Finished and landed the video engine rewrite into github. :)
  183. # [07:00] <grantg> Some demos that show off the correct rendering now
  184. # [07:00] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/CrazyZone/
  185. # [07:00] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/shantae/
  186. # [07:01] <grantg> :)
  187. # [07:02] <grantg> no more weird transparency issues.
  188. # [07:02] <grantg> :D
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  192. # [07:08] <grantg> also high-color games no longer are slow
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  195. # [07:14] <grantg> gfx engine isn't perfect, better drink my own piss and rewrite it from scratch. :P
  196. # [07:21] <jetienne> grantg: how do i shoot in crazyzone
  197. # [07:21] <grantg> x is a
  198. # [07:21] <grantg> z is b
  199. # [07:21] <grantg> enter is start
  200. # [07:22] <grantg> d-pad is d-pad
  201. # [07:22] <jetienne> grantg: how do you handle sound ? i dont hear anything, is that normal ?
  202. # [07:23] <grantg> use firefox 4
  203. # [07:23] <grantg> or wait until chrome fixes its sound support in a few months
  204. # [07:23] <grantg> no sound in IE9 because of no wav support in <audio>
  205. # [07:24] <grantg> and audio is buggy in chrome and opera
  206. # [07:24] <jetienne> ok so you do <audio> with wav ?
  207. # [07:24] <jetienne> so latency issue ?
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  209. # [07:24] <grantg> because opera+chrome use my wav pcm audio fallback
  210. # [07:24] <grantg> jetienne: I convert the audio in real time to wav pcm
  211. # [07:25] <grantg> from audio buffer -> wav pcm binary string -> data uri -> audio tag
  212. # [07:25] <grantg> firefox 4 lets me send samples directly to the audio hardware though
  213. # [07:25] <grantg> via mozWriteAudio
  214. # [07:25] <jetienne> ok
  215. # [07:26] <grantg> and chrome's web audio to do the same thing as mozWriteAudio is broken right now (experimental about:flags thing)
  216. # [07:26] <jetienne> im doing a game too and had some latency issue with it
  217. # [07:26] <grantg> yeah
  218. # [07:26] <grantg> well that's from your browser pausing every x seconds or milliseconds to decode the base64'd wav pcm data
  219. # [07:27] <grantg> or to encode it for that matter to the data uri format, only to decode it later
  220. # [07:27] <grantg> or latency just from the classical hardware DMA delay
  221. # [07:27] <grantg> from your browser just taking too long
  222. # [07:28] <jetienne> grantg: ok thanks for the info
  223. # [07:28] <grantg> generating audio realtime in a cpu emulation entirely in javascript was never supposed to be done in JS+HTML5
  224. # [07:28] <grantg> :P
  225. # [07:28] <jetienne> grantg: your game fullscreen looks nice.. could you do a blur to smooth the pixel effect ?
  226. # [07:28] <jetienne> hehe :)
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  228. # [07:29] <grantg> using firefox 4 now?
  229. # [07:29] <grantg> doing a "blur" is too slow
  230. # [07:29] <jetienne> grantg: yep im on it. no sound
  231. # [07:29] <grantg> ?
  232. # [07:29] <grantg> sound on my mac
  233. # [07:29] <grantg> check your comp
  234. # [07:30] <jetienne> might be my local config tho. linux with 2 sounds card... and known issue between flash audio and normal alsa program
  235. # [07:30] <grantg> also, the pixelated effect is way faster, which is why I selected it
  236. # [07:30] <grantg> no flash audio though. :P
  237. # [07:30] <grantg> so it's firefox 4 then itself having issues with your comp
  238. # [07:31] <grantg> I wonder if my audio buffer is too large or small for some systems
  239. # [07:31] <grantg> it's not even a third of a second ling
  240. # [07:31] <grantg> *long
  241. # [07:31] <grantg> but it's 70khz audio
  242. # [07:31] <grantg> heh
  243. # [07:32] <grantg> linux drivers must hate my 70 khz audio
  244. # [07:32] <grantg> haters be haten
  245. # [07:32] <grantg> hipsters don't like to conform to 44.1 khz. xD
  246. # [07:33] <grantg> also try http://www.grantgalitz.org/DonkeyKongCountry/
  247. # [07:33] <grantg> :)
  248. # [07:33] <grantg> or http://www.grantgalitz.org/3DPocketPool/
  249. # [07:34] <jetienne> http://moztw.org/demo/audioplayer/ this is getting sound
  250. # [07:34] <jetienne> trying :)
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  252. # [07:34] <grantg> firefox 4 RC?
  253. # [07:35] <jetienne> grantg: yep. ubuntu 10.10. ff4 rc
  254. # [07:35] <grantg> the thing is that's probably a resource loaded into memory already via src'd in
  255. # [07:35] <grantg> I create my audio and pass it to a func on the fly
  256. # [07:35] <grantg> raw samples right through firefox 4
  257. # [07:36] <grantg> This isn't a classic html5 app that already has audio src'd in
  258. # [07:37] <grantg> though the demo you linked seems to grab data via the moz audio api as well
  259. # [07:37] <grantg> but not send to
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  435. # [16:24] <davidmurdoch> hola
  436. # [16:25] <davidmurdoch> so, any .net guys/gals in here know of a good extensible CMS system built on .net? I've used Contao (php) which is insanely robust and awesome...but I'm trying to stay away from PHP
  437. # [16:26] <davidmurdoch> (because I suck at it)
  438. # [16:27] <davidmurdoch> The worst part about living on the east coast is waiting for the guys on the west coast to wake up.
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  440. # [16:29] <chachan> davidmurdoch, that's not the worst for me. My boss is on the west coast :p
  441. # [16:29] <davidmurdoch> hahahaa
  442. # [16:29] <chachan> the worst for me are the evenings haha
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  444. # [16:31] <davidmurdoch> I've found that when evaluating CMS's I'm choosing my favorites by their website's design instead of features.
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  447. # [16:44] <speakman> How do I center a <div> vertically?
  448. # [16:45] <speakman> (mainly between a <div> above and bottom of the browser window)
  449. # [16:47] <davidmurdoch> the HTML5 way is using flexbox (aka box-flex)....but thats not crossbrowser and will likely break once flexbox is standardized (it is being rewritten now)
  450. # [16:47] <davidmurdoch> google around for webkit-box-flex
  451. # [16:48] <davidmurdoch> so, Umbraco's installation process is glorious. freaking a.
  452. # [16:49] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: what?? flexbox rewritten? :'( where?
  453. # [16:49] <hober> Neiluj: Tab Atkins is working on the flexbox draft
  454. # [16:50] <davidmurdoch> yup. lat i heard they may make it backwards compatible somehow
  455. # [16:50] <davidmurdoch> last*
  456. # [16:50] <hober> Neiluj: you can ask him about it in #css on irc.w3.org
  457. # [16:50] <davidmurdoch> apparently Umbraco's front-end developers don't know about CSSS spriting. ugh.... mouseover a button... button dissapear for a second....oh, THERE is the hover state.
  458. # [16:50] <Neiluj> hober: thx
  459. # [16:51] <davidmurdoch> Tab Atkins is a googler right?
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  463. # [17:00] <speakman> davidmurdoch: My app will run on a modern webkit browser only
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  467. # [17:07] <hober> davidmurdoch: yes
  468. # [17:08] <seivan> Does anyome know of a script to give firefox 3.x (and others) canvas support?
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  471. # [17:12] <paulrouget> seivan: firefox 3 supports canvas.
  472. # [17:12] <seivan> but not our
  473. # [17:12] <seivan> http://festivalseivan.heroku.com/friends#
  474. # [17:14] <paulrouget> seivan: only IE < 9 doesn't support canvas
  475. # [17:14] <paulrouget> seivan: http://sourceforge.net/projects/excanvas/
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  483. # [17:28] <paul_irish> ?g flashcanvas
  484. # [17:28] <bot-t> paul_irish, FlashCanvas.net - http://flashcanvas.net/
  485. # [17:28] <paul_irish> 33x better performance than excanvas
  486. # [17:29] <paulrouget> oh :)
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  497. # [17:55] <paulrouget> Hi.
  498. # [17:55] <paulrouget> I need some help.
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  500. # [17:55] <paulrouget> Can someone with Chrome 10 try this demo: http://mozillademos.org/demos/remixingreality/demo.html
  501. # [17:55] <seivan> Ok, can someone please help and see why I can't splatter colours on; http://festivalseivan.heroku.com/
  502. # [17:55] <paulrouget> and tell me if he sees the jumping ball
  503. # [17:55] <paulrouget> paul_irish: ^
  504. # [17:56] <paul_irish> dunno about 10 but its fine in 11. i've been showing it at sxsw :)
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  506. # [17:57] <paul_irish> also we have an FPS timer that you can turn on in about:flags now
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  508. # [18:01] <monteslu> paulrouget, that is the coolest web demo I've ever seen
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  511. # [18:01] <paulrouget> monteslu: thanks :)
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  514. # [18:01] <monteslu> I'm in awe
  515. # [18:01] <paulrouget> look at this now:
  516. # [18:01] <paulrouget> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/03/css3-planetarium/
  517. # [18:02] <paulrouget> and this:
  518. # [18:02] <paulrouget> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/03/runfield/
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  521. # [18:02] <davidmurdoch> my stupid graphics cards are too old for WebGl. dangi
  522. # [18:02] <davidmurdoch> t
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  526. # [18:04] <monteslu> paulrouget, is funfield yours too?
  527. # [18:04] <monteslu> rufield
  528. # [18:05] <paulrouget> monteslu: I'm not alone :)
  529. # [18:05] <monteslu> you're killing it though
  530. # [18:05] <monteslu> crazy stuff
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  532. # [18:06] <monteslu> here's my little 2d game. It needs some cleanup, and music like runfield :) http://azprogrammer.com/tge/di.html
  533. # [18:07] <paulrouget> monteslu: oh my god :)
  534. # [18:07] <paulrouget> monteslu: love it ^^
  535. # [18:07] <monteslu> I'm about halfway done with a level editor
  536. # [18:07] <monteslu> thanks!
  537. # [18:07] <paulrouget> monteslu: I love the gfx
  538. # [18:07] <monteslu> hehe, I used my son
  539. # [18:08] <monteslu> he's about 8 years older now. I wrote this in java long time about, but converted it to html5 about a year ago
  540. # [18:08] <monteslu> i mean i wrote the java version a long time ago
  541. # [18:10] <paulrouget> :)
  542. # [18:11] <monteslu> I need to figure out how to quickly draw images offset for my sprites so that I don't have to send multiple images for each animation
  543. # [18:12] <monteslu> if was css i could just use an offset on a single image
  544. # [18:12] <monteslu> maybe I can use on offscreen canvas to chop it up and create JS image objects with dataURL
  545. # [18:12] <monteslu> would save roundtrips, but my be slow
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  547. # [18:14] <speakman> When fetching remote JSON data on HTML5, is there a better way than using XMLHttpRequest?
  548. # [18:15] <weenaak> speakman: jquery or a similar tool.
  549. # [18:15] <moo-_-> speakman: no
  550. # [18:15] <weenaak> that would be easier, but not any better
  551. # [18:16] <moo-_-> speakman: unless you want to stream data over websockets
  552. # [18:16] <paulrouget> speakman: what's wrong with XHR?
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  556. # [18:22] <speakman> paulrouget: don't know, how about web sockets? or is XHR to prefer still?
  557. # [18:22] <paulrouget> speakman: why websockets? No no, XHR is the way to go.
  558. # [18:22] <speakman> It will ONLY be run on an HTML5 compatible browser
  559. # [18:22] <paulrouget> speakman: it's 2 different technologies.
  560. # [18:22] <speakman> paulrouget: okay, than XHR it is. Thanks :)
  561. # [18:23] <speakman> paulrouget: I know actually, but is there a collective term of HTML5 + ES5 + CSS3?
  562. # [18:23] <speakman> Is there even a ES5 channel on freenode?
  563. # [18:23] <weenaak> speakman: what's ES5?
  564. # [18:24] <paulrouget> ECMAScript 5.
  565. # [18:24] <paulrouget> speakman: I use "HTML5 & Friends"
  566. # [18:24] <speakman> paulrouget: /join #html5andfriends :)
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  568. # [18:25] <speakman> I see there's alot of interresting news in ES5 as well (objects and properties). Looks like there's lots to learn.
  569. # [18:26] <paulrouget> speakman: there is.
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  571. # [18:27] <speakman> is there any "common practice" regarding XMLHttpRequest?
  572. # [18:27] <speakman> best practice even
  573. # [18:27] <jetienne> XMLHttpRequest is still with same origin policy, correct ?.
  574. # [18:28] <speakman> yep, but I've got it disabled currently
  575. # [18:28] <speakman> --disable-web-security to chromium
  576. # [18:28] <paulrouget> jetienne: not if you allow Cross-domain server side
  577. # [18:29] <jetienne> paulrouget: how do i mark my server as "crossdomain"
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  579. # [18:30] <speakman> there's CORS too
  580. # [18:30] <paulrouget> a simple header
  581. # [18:30] <paulrouget> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
  582. # [18:30] <paulrouget> speakman: ^
  583. # [18:30] <speakman> http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest2/
  584. # [18:31] <tw2113> paulrouget keep up the good work showing off awesome tech :)
  585. # [18:31] <jetienne> so the browser does the request, and if the header is not in it, then the response is discareded?
  586. # [18:31] <paulrouget> tw2113: ^^ thx
  587. # [18:31] <paulrouget> jetienne: more or less, yes
  588. # [18:32] <paulrouget> there's a preflight exchange first
  589. # [18:32] <jetienne> paulrouget: but the request is done anyway
  590. # [18:32] <paulrouget> jetienne: of course
  591. # [18:32] <jetienne> ok
  592. # [18:32] <jetienne> thanks
  593. # [18:32] <speakman> Which seems weird imo...
  594. # [18:32] <paulrouget> speakman: why?
  595. # [18:32] <weenaak> I just read up a little ECMAScript. Am I to understand that JavaScript is a type of ECMAScript? Or are they essentially the same thing? Also, if JS is a type, then what are some other types?
  596. # [18:32] <paulrouget> speakman: you can't know until you talked to the server
  597. # [18:32] <speakman> Because the damage might already been done when the request is sent
  598. # [18:33] <paulrouget> speakman: what kind of damage?
  599. # [18:33] <speakman> paulrouget: DoS?
  600. # [18:33] <paulrouget> speakman: oh :)
  601. # [18:33] <paulrouget> well, you don't need XHR do to a DoS
  602. # [18:33] <paulrouget> speakman: just put the URL in an <img> tag :)
  603. # [18:34] <paulrouget> speakman: or a <script> tag
  604. # [18:34] <jetienne> about permission stuff, if i get the index.html from one domain, and an <img> from another domain, can i still do a ctx.drawImage(img) ?
  605. # [18:35] <jetienne> i tried yesterday and got a lot of 17 error... like permission denied
  606. # [18:36] <paulrouget> jetienne: no
  607. # [18:36] <paulrouget> your canvas is tainted
  608. # [18:36] <paulrouget> I have to go
  609. # [18:36] <paulrouget> time for a beer
  610. # [18:36] <paulrouget> ++
  611. # [18:37] <jetienne> hmm so i have to proxy the image :(
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  616. # [18:45] <benv_> nimbupani: what was that http perf tool you used the other day
  617. # [18:46] <nimbupani> benv_: i dont recall :/
  618. # [18:46] <benv_> aw
  619. # [18:46] <nimbupani> what was it about?
  620. # [18:46] <benv_> the graph one
  621. # [18:46] <benv_> like, it was a web-based version of firebug's net graph
  622. # [18:47] <nimbupani> what was that in answer to?
  623. # [18:47] <benv_> boilerplate website
  624. # [18:47] <nimbupani> OHH
  625. # [18:47] <nimbupani> yeah
  626. # [18:47] <nimbupani> lemme get it.
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  628. # [18:48] <nimbupani> http://www.5o9mm.com/har/viewer/
  629. # [18:48] <benv_> merci
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  631. # [18:50] <benv_> *has no idea how to use this*
  632. # [18:50] <benv_> :)
  633. # [18:50] <nimbupani> me neither :)
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  644. # [19:07] <tw2113> anyone in here ever done "web design" summer teaching?
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  702. # [20:29] <salazr> hey guys, question regarding the html5boilerplate build script.. can it update .php files ?
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  711. # [20:41] <jetienne> opera got webgl by default ?
  712. # [20:42] <nimbupani> nope
  713. # [20:42] <nimbupani> there is a sepate build.
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  715. # [20:42] <nimbupani> salazr: should not be an issue as far as i know
  716. # [20:42] <miketaylr> ?g opera labs webgl @ jetienne
  717. # [20:42] <bot-t> jetienne, WebGL and Hardware Acceleration - Opera Labs - http://labs.opera.com/news/2011/02/28/
  718. # [20:43] <jetienne> miketaylr: this mean yes ?
  719. # [20:43] <miketaylr> it means what nimbupani said
  720. # [20:43] <miketaylr> jetienne: there's a labs build with webgl, but it won't be default for a while
  721. # [20:44] <jetienne> miketaylr: ok thanks
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  744. # [21:10] <kevindank> Hello, im having issues with my site at http://www.kevindankowebdesign.com/phillysportsblog/ the sidebar on the rightside is showing at the bottom instead of up top
  745. # [21:10] <kevindank> i went into css and they told me to validate my html
  746. # [21:11] <kevindank> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevindankowebdesign.com%2Fphillysportsblog%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=1&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2
  747. # [21:11] <kevindank> all the errors say something about duplicates
  748. # [21:11] <kevindank> can anyone help?
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  750. # [21:20] <rgervais> IE9 was released yesterday
  751. # [21:20] <rgervais> cheers!
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  754. # [21:23] <tw2113> now to make people upgrade
  755. # [21:23] <tw2113> oh wait, they have to get off XP first
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  760. # [21:34] <rgervais> tw2113: what are your thoughts?
  761. # [21:34] <tw2113> dunno, haven't been able to touch IE9
  762. # [21:34] <tw2113> i either run linux or XP
  763. # [21:35] <rgervais> well two stay ahead as developers we need to run all latest browsers
  764. # [21:35] <rgervais> so this has me thinking because I have XP as well..
  765. # [21:35] <rgervais> but I need IE9
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  767. # [21:36] <tw2113> i figure let IE9 render whatever it can, and if it can't handle that feature still...too bad
  768. # [21:36] <tw2113> i test in the browsers i have at least "D
  769. # [21:36] <tw2113> :D
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  771. # [21:37] <rgervais> i don't that's a good mindset but anyway
  772. # [21:37] <tw2113> as i put it to twitter a day or two ago, IE9...finally IE catches up to a year ago
  773. # [21:38] <tw2113> unless they completely refactor their release policy, they're always going to be playing catchup
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  775. # [21:38] <rgervais> well that's obvious
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  777. # [21:38] <rgervais> but in a general a developers should have the latest technology when testing their sites
  778. # [21:39] <rgervais> but is sux cuz it's not an option for XP
  779. # [21:39] <tw2113> meh @ windows in general
  780. # [21:39] <rgervais> meh @ windows... but guess what
  781. # [21:39] <tw2113> and i can't afford a 2nd laptop that'd have Win7 right now
  782. # [21:39] <rgervais> it's still the most popular browser
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  784. # [21:39] <rgervais> it's facts
  785. # [21:39] <tw2113> i realize that
  786. # [21:40] <tw2113> and still give them the tall finger
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  793. # [21:53] <paul_irish> salazr: it can. you have to whitelist .php in the configuration file
  794. # [21:57] <salazr> paul_irish: i've been playing with the config files... i've included my files in file.pages of the project properties, but i'm not having much luck. i assume i haven't whitelisted php by doing that.. any pointers as to where the whitelist would be?
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  797. # [21:58] <salazr> paul_irish:
  798. # [21:59] <salazr> err.. sorry about that. was just going to say that infact, that does seem to whitelist it, as the script references are updated, i'm just having issues getting the html minified..
  799. # [21:59] <salazr> which may be due to my own environment and java issues.. which i'm working on
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  815. # [22:10] <paul_irish> salazr: to be honest i dont know anyone who has done it yet
  816. # [22:10] <paul_irish> but it should be totally doable.
  817. # [22:10] <paul_irish> maybe sorta.
  818. # [22:10] <salazr> i'll keep playing with this.. ;)
  819. # [22:10] <paul_irish> dunno how the HTML minifier likes php
  820. # [22:10] <paul_irish> kay
  821. # [22:11] <paul_irish> let me know how you end up
  822. # [22:11] <paul_irish> i'm curious. .and would love to get some documentation
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  845. # [23:25] <KucukMubasir> wow, there is a html5 channel!
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