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  4. # [00:00] <zewt> restart ff4 and it works now--"fun"
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  36. # [00:31] <alystair> is there a way for canvas to pull rendered material from 'under' it?
  37. # [00:31] <alystair> so you can easily blur a part of a webpage
  38. # [00:31] <alystair> or can it only blur known bitmap stuff
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  40. # [00:33] <alystair> since there is no CSS blur effect, I was hoping that canvas could somehow do it while being backwards compatible....
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  48. # [00:42] <jacobfogg> I am interviewing 3 candidates for a DBA/Programmer position tomorrow and am looking for some good html questions... any thoughts?
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  82. # [01:55] <tw2113> nimbupani just saw you in the latest .Net Magazine issue :)
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  84. # [01:57] <nimbupani> yay
  85. # [01:57] <nimbupani> reminds me i should probably buy it as a keepsake.
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  88. # [01:59] <tw2113> glad i could remind
  89. # [01:59] <tw2113> i should strive for getting in there :D
  90. # [01:59] <nimbupani> sure contribute to html5bp or modernizr :)
  91. # [01:59] <tw2113> :O
  92. # [01:59] <tw2113> i'm in this issue too
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  97. # [02:00] <tw2113> part of their twitter chatter area
  98. # [02:00] <nimbupani> haha
  99. # [02:00] <nimbupani> naice :)
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  102. # [02:02] <tw2113> https://twitter.com/tw2113/status/42473361875542016
  103. # [02:02] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/fc6mpx @tw2113: always fun to look back through old @netmag issues and find stuff that I'm now interested in that I glossed over at the time.
  104. # [02:02] <tw2113> the status listed
  105. # [02:07] <tw2113> and to think i almost didn't read that section
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  116. # [02:38] <digitalfiz> there was a site posted in here a few weeks ago that was like a modified version of rumpetroll does anyone know what site that was?
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  118. # [02:47] <danbeam> if anybody had to guess - which do you think would be faster on an empty (leaf) node? 1) setting the background-color of a node and changing it's opacity, 2) using rgba() with an alpha channel?
  119. # [02:48] <Neiluj> on an empty... I would say opacity
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  121. # [02:50] <danbeam> Neiluj: why?
  122. # [02:50] <Neiluj> intuition
  123. # [02:50] <danbeam> Neiluj: the empty part does make a difference as the opacity doesn't have to applied on the whole tree (well, it is, but there's nothing other than the 1 node)
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  125. # [02:51] <Neiluj> yeah I know, that's why I guess opacity would be "faster" in this case, but that's a guess
  126. # [02:51] <biv> hi
  127. # [02:52] <biv> what's the best way to create a sub-menu that will look like - Save | Search | Another Option - ?
  128. # [02:52] <biv> it's just a simple sub menu which is already sitting beneath a set of tabs
  129. # [02:52] <danbeam> Neiluj: I think you're right (at least according to initial benchmarking, :D)
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  418. # [11:45] <Zeddy> is it possible to get some kind of unique device ID using html5?
  419. # [11:46] <Zeddy> doesn't really matter if its a MAC address or something like that, as long as its something unique to a specific device and does not change over time
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  461. # [13:40] <Zeddy> given i have a SQLite file, is it possible to load this database from the file using HTML5?
  462. # [13:40] <Dorward> Zeddy: IIRC: No. The only SQLite stuff HTML 5 does is to internet databases with access rights limited to the site that created it.
  463. # [13:41] <Dorward> s/internet/internal/
  464. # [13:43] <Zeddy> what
  465. # [13:43] <Zeddy> why?
  466. # [13:45] <Zeddy> I dont get it, doesn't the storage api create a sqlite file on the hard disk
  467. # [13:45] <Zeddy> why couldn't this be replaced by an existing one?
  468. # [13:45] <Zeddy> i have a SQLite database file containing map tile images, which i would want to be opened and parsed by a map viewer
  469. # [13:46] <Dorward> Zeddy: That's an implementation detail. If it is implemented that way, then the user could shut down their browser, overwrite the file with a different one, then fire their browser up again. A website couldn't.
  470. # [13:47] <Dorward> A website could provide some data expressed in (for example) JSON that some JavaScript could use to create and populate a client side database.
  471. # [13:47] <Zeddy> so on first run, i could fetch the data from an online database, parse and insert it into a local database?
  472. # [13:48] <Dorward> Yes
  473. # [13:52] <Zeddy> wouldn't that be kinda time craving seeing as i have around 30 - 50 000 tiles in the database :P
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  476. # [13:54] <Dorward> Zeddy: It would take a while, yes. You could show the user a "Sorry for the delay, this is a one time only thing, now processing dataset x of y"
  477. # [13:55] <Zeddy> hmm, ok
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  479. # [13:57] <tonyjansen> riven: .class1.class2.class3 is quite buggy in ie < 8 and ff < 4
  480. # [13:58] <tonyjansen> wc pardon me
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  513. # [17:24] * Topic is 'Welcome, amigos :: Ask any question about html5 & Friends. || Author Spec: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ || Full spec: http://whatwg.org/html5 || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR http://html5homi.es'
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  518. # [17:27] <jetienne> !!window.WebGLRenderingContext <- this is no more a good way to detect webgl availability correct ? chrome 12 got this function but fails on it (when no webgl is available)
  519. # [17:28] <zot--> only way to know if it'll actually work is to create a context, in practice, afaik...
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  521. # [17:34] <miketaylr> what's modernizr do?
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  523. # [17:35] <tw2113> I should put a QR code on my resume page for the pdf copy
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  535. # [17:50] <tw2113> ooh, QR code to download my vcard vcf :D
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  546. # [18:02] <paul_irish_> miketaylr: i think it modernizes your page and makes all your css3 and html5 work.
  547. # [18:02] <miketaylr> sounds magical
  548. # [18:03] <tw2113> fairy tale web dev?
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  550. # [18:03] <zewt> if the dumb vowl fad ever ends, will modernizr automatically add them back in
  551. # [18:03] <miketaylr> i know i already tweeted it, but this tutorial is awesome: http://www.html5rocks.com/tutorials/file/dndfiles/
  552. # [18:03] <miketaylr> zewt: >:|
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  554. # [18:04] <tw2113> vowels pffffffffffffffffft
  555. # [18:04] <paul_irish_> :)
  556. # [18:04] <tw2113> overrated
  557. # [18:04] <zewt> :P
  558. # [18:04] <danbeam> I think modernizr starts a time machine and fast forwards until 2019 when IE6-8 are dead, no?
  559. # [18:04] * danbeam wishes
  560. # [18:04] <tw2113> IE6 won't die :P
  561. # [18:04] <paul_irish_> ie6 will die. ie8 wont
  562. # [18:04] <zewt> i guess the next logical step is to verbs
  563. # [18:05] <tw2113> they're both like the keith richards of browsers
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  565. # [18:06] <miketaylr> i'm pretty sure ie8 runs on cocaine and hookers yeah
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  570. # [18:09] <Michael> Wow. That was an awesome conference from Adobe.
  571. # [18:09] <Michael> Very cool stuff in the pipeline
  572. # [18:09] <miketaylr> such as?
  573. # [18:12] <Michael> They kept saying "This information cannot leave this room" lol
  574. # [18:13] <paul_irish_> Booo.
  575. # [18:13] <miketaylr> d'oh
  576. # [18:13] <Michael> But I can tell you that WebGL is in for serious competition.
  577. # [18:13] <paul_irish_> fuck molehill
  578. # [18:13] <miketaylr> so the flash 3d stuff then
  579. # [18:13] <Michael> lol
  580. # [18:13] <paul_irish_> i'm jk. it's actually really impressive.
  581. # [18:13] <zewt> but it was a conference call, aren't you still in the same room
  582. # [18:13] <Michael> miketaylr, That was the only thing they didn't say was confidential
  583. # [18:13] <paul_irish_> ?g molehill zombies youtube
  584. # [18:13] <bot-t> paul_irish_, YouTube - Adobe Flash "Molehill" demo video by Frima Studio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrArtYuEkEI
  585. # [18:14] <Michael> Well I'm thinking since IE won't support WebGL yet that automatically gives Flash the edge
  586. # [18:14] <miketaylr> but the 4D is totally confidential. got it.
  587. # [18:14] <Michael> miketaylr, No, 3D was just one piece of the 2 hour conference :P
  588. # [18:14] <Michael> New tools are coming out for HTML5 that look very awesome
  589. # [18:14] <miketaylr> sweet
  590. # [18:14] <Michael> yess
  591. # [18:14] <miketaylr> hopefully above and beyond a crappy dreamweaver update pack
  592. # [18:14] <Michael> Yes :D Definitely
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  594. # [18:15] <Michael> Although I kind of want to learn DW now after seeing how they use it. I've had CS5 installed but I use vim
  595. # [18:15] <miketaylr> dreamweaver is a pretty decent ftp client
  596. # [18:15] <miketaylr> can it edit text?
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  598. # [18:16] <Michael> I'm going to take the lynda.com course on it today probably
  599. # [18:16] <Michael> bbiab
  600. # [18:17] <danbeam> paul_irish_: it's pretty funny that a user on that mohehill demo page mentioned HTML5 and it instantly got down-voted and hidden by default, lol
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  605. # [18:32] <tw2113> lols @ all the mullets shown in Wrestlemania 10 circa 1994
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  618. # [19:06] <miketaylr> heh
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  627. # [19:14] <Michael> tw2113, lol
  628. # [19:14] <tw2113> i couldn't help but notice 3 in one match
  629. # [19:14] <tw2113> but i need to get going and get some stuff done here soon :D
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  631. # [19:15] <Michael> mullets and mizstaches
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  639. # [19:34] <rgervais> paulrouget: you guys need to implement this ASAP
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  641. # [19:34] <rgervais> text-overflow: ellipsis;
  642. # [19:34] <rgervais> all browsers support that minus firefox
  643. # [19:35] <rgervais> i'm not sure why, it's pretty essential CSS3
  644. # [19:35] <snover> because moz like to complain about the ambiguities in the spec rather than implement something
  645. # [19:36] <rgervais> http://caniuse.com/#search=text-overflow
  646. # [19:36] <rgervais> literally all including IE7
  647. # [19:36] <rgervais> i find that ironic
  648. # [19:36] <snover> it’s really not :)
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  650. # [19:37] <rgervais> it really is :)
  651. # [19:37] <djQuery> does select not support place holder?
  652. # [19:37] <matijsb> no
  653. # [19:37] <moo-_-> text-overflow: ellipsis has bugs on iPhone :P
  654. # [19:37] <moo-_-> at least
  655. # [19:37] <matijsb> input and textarea do
  656. # [19:37] <moo-_-> or strange behavior regarding pads and margins
  657. # [19:37] <snover> ?define irony
  658. # [19:37] <rgervais> ok iphone is different story
  659. # [19:37] <bot-t> snover, irony - (noun) A statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, notably as a form of humor.
  660. # [19:38] <rgervais> thanks snover
  661. # [19:39] <rgervais> it still doesn't change the fact that all browsers support it
  662. # [19:39] <rgervais> minus firefox
  663. # [19:39] <rgervais> and that's not good.
  664. # [19:39] <snover> I don’t think anyone has disputed that :)
  665. # [19:39] <rgervais> i was looking forward to it working in ff4
  666. # [19:40] <rgervais> and then I try it, and sadly nada
  667. # [19:40] <rgervais> i have to resort to JS for firefox for something like this
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  670. # [19:44] <zewt> (also: the dictionary is slowly but surely drifting from the real-world use of the word "irony"; human language is defined by actual usage, not by dictionaries :)
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  687. # [20:16] <rgervais> zewt: haha you're funny
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  765. # [22:19] <Michael> Honey Badger doesn't care.
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  782. # [22:38] <Amnesia> hi
  783. # [22:38] <Amnesia> its not really a html5 related question..
  784. # [22:38] <Amnesia> but I want to get html by default with youtube with cookies disabled
  785. # [22:38] <Amnesia> does anyone know how to do this?
  786. # [22:39] <diamonds> Amnesia: try #google
  787. # [22:39] <Amnesia> already did that:)
  788. # [22:40] <diamonds> my guess is "no"
  789. # [22:40] <Amnesia> hm bummer
  790. # [22:40] <Amnesia> flash sucks donkeyballs
  791. # [22:40] <diamonds> you want youtube to recognize you but you don't want it to put a marker on you
  792. # [22:40] <diamonds> how is it supposed to recognize you?
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  794. # [22:41] <Amnesia> hm some parameter or w/e
  795. # [22:41] <Amnesia> &webm=1 doesnt work though
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  809. # [22:57] <grantg> hey
  810. # [22:57] <bot-t> (17 hours 30 mins ago) <paul_irish_> tell grantg all my colleagues are really looking forward to xaudiojs
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  813. # [22:57] <grantg> I heard opera supports fileReader. :)
  814. # [22:58] <CodenameKT> grantg Yeah, latest update.
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  816. # [22:58] <grantg> opera folks out there: http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ finally can load in ROMs from your comp in Opera 11.10
  817. # [22:58] <grantg> shit finally works in opera now
  818. # [22:58] <grantg> now file loading works in firefox, webkit nightlies, chrome, and opera
  819. # [22:59] <grantg> paul_irish: ok, I'll get back to XAudioJS
  820. # [22:59] <grantg> paul_irish: It's basically the audio engine in my emu.
  821. # [22:59] <grantg> well, the output portion
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  823. # [23:03] <miketaylr> grantg: yay!
  824. # [23:03] <nimbupani> yay grantg!
  825. # [23:03] <grantg> wut?
  826. # [23:04] <miketaylr> your shit works in opera now
  827. # [23:04] <miketaylr> SO YAY ALRIGHT
  828. # [23:04] <grantg> heh
  829. # [23:04] <grantg> CAPS LOCK DAY EVERY DAY
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  831. # [23:05] <grantg> YOU GOTTA MAINTAIN YOUR "CLASS"
  832. # [23:05] <grantg> :/
  833. # [23:05] <tw2113> FUCK CAPS LOCK. WINNERS USE SHIFT KEYS.
  834. # [23:06] <CrashTest_> SO DO CR-48 USERS
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  837. # [23:06] <grantg> YOU JELLY CR-48 USERS?
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  839. # [23:07] <CrashTest_> YEP
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  846. # [23:15] <grantg> meanwhile, an increase in shift key breakage is occurring for netbook users.
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  848. # [23:17] <grantg> WOFall: Stay classy HTML5 - http://www.grantgalitz.org/bomberman/
  849. # [23:17] <grantg> :P
  850. # [23:17] <grantg> damnit, wrong tab
  851. # [23:17] <grantg> :P
  852. # [23:18] <tw2113> i have a reddit comment with 80 karma :D
  853. # [23:19] <tw2113> all i said was "Opera....forever alone"
  854. # [23:20] <gde33> Opera software would be so cool if they had a lot of money :P
  855. # [23:20] <Peter`> Opera is cool!
  856. # [23:20] <gde33> Nothing is ever finished
  857. # [23:21] <nimbupani> thats true for everything that exists
  858. # [23:21] <grantg> Peter`: Opera is cool at leaving a bunch of rendering bugs inside itself.
  859. # [23:21] <gde33> it has this cool irc client but it lacks just the few features to make it useful
  860. # [23:21] <grantg> IE6 logic... but in opera
  861. # [23:21] <gde33> same for the news groups
  862. # [23:22] <Peter`> grantg, every engine has its problems. Presto does, WebKit does, Gecko does, Trident does.
  863. # [23:22] <grantg> heh
  864. # [23:22] <gde33> opera is always within inches of the cigar
  865. # [23:22] <grantg> Peter`: Opera does pretty bad on CSS opacity
  866. # [23:22] <Peter`> Did you file a bug for that?
  867. # [23:22] <grantg> try mixing scrollable areas within an opacity-set area
  868. # [23:23] <grantg> scrollbars are rendered BELOW the containing div
  869. # [23:23] <grantg> Peter`: I think I did
  870. # [23:23] <grantg> same bug with plugins
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  872. # [23:23] <grantg> for opacity rendering in opera, at least on mac
  873. # [23:23] <tw2113> i have yet to give Opera desktop a long shake
  874. # [23:23] <nimbupani> grantg: do you have a bug ticket number?
  875. # [23:23] <tw2113> Opera mobile on the other hand...i find quality
  876. # [23:24] <nimbupani> or if you have a test page
  877. # [23:24] <nimbupani> i can track it here.
  878. # [23:24] <grantg> nimbupani: from a long time ago
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  880. # [23:24] <nimbupani> maybe its fixed in the recent builds then grantg :P
  881. # [23:24] <grantg> I remember my site would run into it
  882. # [23:24] <grantg> grantgalitz.org
  883. # [23:25] <grantg> it would be like the flash content and the GUI elements of the OS are rendered separately when opacity is applied to a containing DIV
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  886. # [23:25] <grantg> and the described content is rendered below the containing DIV
  887. # [23:25] <grantg> like opera can't handle it
  888. # [23:26] <grantg> similar bug with old firefox on mac
  889. # [23:26] <grantg> :/
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  893. # [23:27] <nimbupani> there is no difference in opera 11.10 and chrome grantg
  894. # [23:27] <nimbupani> it is likely you did not check since you did your site
  895. # [23:27] <gde33> Firefox sure blends in nicely with the windows os the way it keeps cycling between error dialogs
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  897. # [23:28] <gde33> Firefox is having trouble recovering your windows and tabs. This is usually caused by a recently opened web page.
  898. # [23:28] <gde33> usually?? <shrug>
  899. # [23:28] <grantg> nimbupani: I last checked for this bug in Opera 10.6X
  900. # [23:29] <grantg> So I hope they fixed it in Opera 11
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  902. # [23:29] <nimbupani> i dont see any bug on your website at least grantg so I am guessing it was.
  903. # [23:29] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/
  904. # [23:29] <grantg> yes
  905. # [23:29] <grantg> the bug is still there in opera
  906. # [23:30] <grantg> check the youtube load-in
  907. # [23:30] <grantg> if it's greyed out, then it's been rendered wrong
  908. # [23:30] <grantg> As that means the flash is being composited in separately from the DIV and under it
  909. # [23:31] <grantg> let me imgur it
  910. # [23:31] <nimbupani> i see it
  911. # [23:32] <nimbupani> but you have opacity set to 0.85 on the parent div
  912. # [23:32] <tw2113> bah flash
  913. # [23:33] <grantg> nimbupani: you see, the flash view should not be greyed out
  914. # [23:33] <grantg> the flash looks like .15 opacity
  915. # [23:33] <grantg> ;)
  916. # [23:33] <grantg> What it looks like in Firefox 4
  917. # [23:33] <grantg> http://imgur.com/t3j5V
  918. # [23:34] <grantg> What it looks like in Opera
  919. # [23:34] <grantg> http://imgur.com/i67sm
  920. # [23:34] <nimbupani> omg and no way to turn down the sound in your website?
  921. # [23:34] <nimbupani> :|
  922. # [23:35] <grantg> nimbupani: On the emu page?
  923. # [23:35] <nimbupani> on the homepage
  924. # [23:35] <grantg> oh
  925. # [23:35] <grantg> what ever the flash app provides
  926. # [23:35] <grantg> damn, my feed has not been updated in ages
  927. # [23:35] <grantg> it still has the haiti earthquake crap
  928. # [23:35] <grantg> :O
  929. # [23:36] <nimbupani> well grantg the spec clearly states this
  930. # [23:36] <nimbupani> " If the object is a container element, then the effect is as if the contents of the container element were blended against the current background using a mask where the value of each pixel of the mask is <alphavalue>"
  931. # [23:37] <nimbupani> so it seems like other browsers are not according to spec with opacity.
  932. # [23:37] <grantg> wait, what?
  933. # [23:37] <nimbupani> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#transparency
  934. # [23:38] <grantg> then what about the text and images?
  935. # [23:38] <nimbupani> "the effect" is as if
  936. # [23:38] <nimbupani> thats how it will appear
  937. # [23:38] <grantg> see http://www.grantgalitz.org/about.php
  938. # [23:38] <nimbupani> everything will have opacity.
  939. # [23:38] <grantg> the image isn't greyed out there
  940. # [23:39] <grantg> nimbupani: You see, the way I have opacity done, the background image of the site is what everything gets masked to
  941. # [23:39] <grantg> not masked to the grey
  942. # [23:40] <tw2113> from everything i've tended to hear, Opera is really set to follow the standards stuff
  943. # [23:41] <tw2113> but in consequence I think they tend to lag in other areas like css stuff
  944. # [23:41] <grantg> I doubt they're getting this right
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  946. # [23:41] <grantg> Since opacity is done differently on scrollbars and flash
  947. # [23:41] <grantg> than images next to such
  948. # [23:41] <nimbupani> but it does grantg http://gyazo.com/1526bbfa4db40ebb6c00f4717292f4f0.png
  949. # [23:41] <grantg> and text
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  951. # [23:42] <nimbupani> you should not be using opacity
  952. # [23:42] <nimbupani> for this.
  953. # [23:42] <grantg> nimbupani: Then why is it not nearly as masked out?
  954. # [23:42] <grantg> you'll notice the bg shows through
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  956. # [23:42] <grantg> rather than the grey
  957. # [23:43] <grantg> the thing with the flash plugin is, the gray background is 85% shown, 15% flash..
  958. # [23:44] <grantg> when I think it should be 85% flash plugin, 15% bg image
  959. # [23:45] <nimbupani> hmm i get what you mean it is too faded that is.
  960. # [23:45] <nimbupani> omg this song is so annoying
  961. # [23:45] <grantg> what song?
  962. # [23:45] <nimbupani> whatever plays when you load your site
  963. # [23:45] <nimbupani> "you got a real good feeling" or smthing
  964. # [23:45] <grantg> nimbupani: I'm not playing a song on my site
  965. # [23:46] <nimbupani> are you sure :|
  966. # [23:46] <grantg> yes
  967. # [23:46] <grantg> nimbupani: Maybe you've spent too much time on geocities
  968. # [23:46] <grantg> :P
  969. # [23:47] <grantg> The compositing model seems wrong in Opera when Opera encounters flash
  970. # [23:47] <grantg> like I said
  971. # [23:47] <nimbupani> OMG sorry grantg
  972. # [23:47] <zewt> heh
  973. # [23:47] <grantg> It renders the flash below the container
  974. # [23:47] <zewt> #1 reason i want sites using browser-native video instead of flash video
  975. # [23:47] <zewt> so the browser can tell me which tab is making noise
  976. # [23:47] <tw2113> cool, facebook.com is sending me to localhost
  977. # [23:47] <grantg> zewt: lol
  978. # [23:47] <nimbupani> it was some random site i have too many tabs open and the music coincidentally started everytime i refreshed
  979. # [23:48] <zewt> nothing more fun than having a session with 50+ windows open, one of them decides to start playing a video, and you can't figure out which one
  980. # [23:48] <nimbupani> oh geez seriously.
  981. # [23:48] <nimbupani> :/
  982. # [23:49] <nimbupani> kay grantg i think i understand the issue
  983. # [23:49] <nimbupani> even though I think your usage of opacity is not what it should be.
  984. # [23:50] <grantg> nimbupani: My site does need a redesign
  985. # [23:50] <nimbupani> better done with with rgba rather than opacity.
  986. # [23:50] <grantg> :P
  987. # [23:50] <tw2113> rgba ftw
  988. # [23:50] <nimbupani> or hsla
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  990. # [23:53] <grantg> Or a minimalistic site redesign
  991. # [23:53] <grantg> ^
  992. # [23:53] <grantg> :P
  993. # [23:53] <nimbupani> haha
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