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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jul 22 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  7. # [00:09] <riffina> Hi Guys
  8. # [00:09] <riffina> I have an IE compability problem. can somebody help me here?
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  10. # [00:10] <monteslu> sure, use dojo or jquery :)
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  12. # [00:10] <monteslu> oh, and post the problem
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  14. # [00:12] <riffina> well... My page shows correctly and good on all the browsers that exist EXCEP internet explorer
  15. # [00:12] <riffina> I tried to fix it but it doesn't stay good for the other browsers
  16. # [00:13] <riffina> I tried everything
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  47. # [01:07] <xonecas> o/
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  100. # [03:17] <gavacho> i can give it a look
  101. # [03:17] <gavacho> got a url?
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  189. # [06:46] <niftylettuce__> ?tell tw2113 I found it =) http://eldapo.lembobrothers.com/2008/07/16/gedit-plugins-split-screen/
  190. # [06:46] <bot-t> niftylettuce__, Okay.
  191. # [06:46] <niftylettuce__> xonecas: yt?
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  279. # [10:22] <paul_irish> http://nelm.io/images/shop/wear/jsmofo/douglas-big.jpg
  280. # [10:23] <jetienne> i like the smile ):
  281. # [10:23] <manuchill> paul_irish, there is more where that came from
  282. # [10:23] <paul_irish> http://nelm.io/shop/ yessss
  283. # [10:23] <manuchill> paul_irish, indeed
  284. # [10:24] <dr0id> racistr
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  298. # [10:55] <c_nick> I am making a Phonegap App which will load a html5 page (header footer and content div with the webpage in it) Now one of my colleagues suggested that because of the different sections the scroll.js JS is loaded every time and it has to analyze the content div and work so basically it ends up slowing down the user interface Is the Since Google is using V8 Engine does it handle better than Squirelfish currently in Apple
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  359. # [13:23] <kozmonaut> hey guys
  360. # [13:24] <kozmonaut> anyone have any experience with html5 based ebooks like the one google did on 20 things i learned about the internet?
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  374. # [14:07] <monteslu> Today's google doodle only works on safari I think
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  377. # [14:10] <monteslu> doodle does nothing on mobile webkit for android, mobile firefox, and samsung chromebook
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  379. # [14:15] <Ms2ger> Does something on desktop Fx nightly, at least
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  383. # [14:17] <jetienne> monteslu: you got samsung chromebook ? can you go there http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/misc_lookat.html and tell me how much fps you got ? read the number in up/left
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  391. # [14:35] <monteslu> jetienne, webgl on chromebook is abysmal
  392. # [14:36] <monteslu> ~4 to 5 fps
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  394. # [14:36] <monteslu> probably less than half of that on the cr-48
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  396. # [14:36] <jetienne> monteslu: ouch.... ok thanks
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  400. # [14:39] <monteslu> I have no idea what graphics chip they have, but i'm hoping its just a software problem
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  407. # [14:43] <jetienne> monteslu: http://webglreport.sourceforge.net/ this page will tell you
  408. # [14:44] <monteslu> yikes Mesa renderer
  409. # [14:44] <monteslu> figures
  410. # [14:44] <jetienne> oh ok :)
  411. # [14:44] <monteslu> guess they couldn't just leave it completely broken
  412. # [14:45] <jetienne> sw support is clearly better than no support at all
  413. # [14:45] <monteslu> true
  414. # [14:46] <monteslu> the samsung site just says "integrated graphics" on its spec page for the chromebook
  415. # [14:46] <monteslu> dont know if that's intel or something better or worse
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  418. # [14:52] <monteslu> Looks like its an intel GMA 3150. Good enough to run ~quake3
  419. # [14:52] <monteslu> Cool, so it's a software issue :)
  420. # [14:52] <monteslu> hopefully they update that soon
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  440. # [15:17] <monteslu> jetienne, make a little twitter post linking to detailed output of that webglreport http://twitter.com/monteslu
  441. # [15:17] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/nYt4Wg @monteslu: #WebGL on the #Chromebook doesn't have to be slow: http://t.co/DAfzeB8
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  443. # [15:17] <monteslu> jinx?
  444. # [15:17] <monteslu> or is socialhapy a bot?
  445. # [15:17] <monteslu> oh, duh a bot
  446. # [15:18] <peol> monteslu: hehe yeah
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  450. # [15:19] <peol> monteslu: it's just a helper for all those common social dev links, like twitter and github: https://github.com/jquery/jquery/commit/28b470d7d38c5c3d7d478f9c3f3b743bdae57b1b
  451. # [15:19] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/oDz8r5 Krinkle (2 weeks ago) on jquery: Landing pull request 433. Fix testswarm test cases. Fixes #9555.
  452. # [15:19] <socialhapy> More Details:
  453. # [15:19] <socialhapy> - https://github.com/jquery/jquery/pull/433
  454. # [15:19] <socialhapy> - http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/9555
  455. # [15:19] <monteslu> peol, what is it looking for in a post?
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  457. # [15:20] <peol> regex matching commit links from github, and various twitter link syntaxes
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  459. # [15:20] <peol> .tweet paul_irish
  460. # [15:20] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/oMn7uW @paul_irish: @jruderman very nice :)
  461. # [15:20] <peol> .tweet 93201387604803584
  462. # [15:20] <peol> etc
  463. # [15:20] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/qbfg74 @peolanha: Chromium gave me a cupcake for breakfast! http://t.co/oaNLPH6 /cc @ChromiumDev
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  465. # [15:21] <monteslu> very cool
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  467. # [15:21] <stockz> .tweet supbro
  468. # [15:21] <socialhapy> Twitter says there's no such user. Don't blame me. :|
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  481. # [15:34] <OzDave_mbp> all ogg files or just one?
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  483. # [15:37] <wirehack7> OzDave_mbp, found error
  484. # [15:37] <wirehack7> it was a sever fault
  485. # [15:37] <OzDave_mbp> phew
  486. # [15:37] <wirehack7> gave the file false
  487. # [15:38] <wirehack7> but, ff has to support webm :( <video> shows how trollish browser developers are again, why does every browser supports a different codec?
  488. # [15:38] <wirehack7> why not just webm :/
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  491. # [15:40] <OzDave_mbp> competing standards will smooth out, eg h264 mp4 ogg etc
  492. # [15:41] <wirehack7> but on the other side, i am suprised how css3 shows up in different browsers
  493. # [15:41] <monteslu> jetienne, I might be wrong. Mesa DRI is not the same as the old Mesa. The Mesa project claims to have hardware acceleration on intel
  494. # [15:41] <wirehack7> in the modern browsers
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  496. # [15:41] <monteslu> You'd think living in Mesa (AZ) I'd know more about Mesa :)
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  498. # [15:42] <jetienne> monteslu: removing the retweet then :)))
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  502. # [15:45] <monteslu> good idea
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  504. # [15:46] <monteslu> i pulled the original tweet, might be gone already.
  505. # [15:46] <monteslu> ... just when I thought I stumbled upon something interesting
  506. # [15:46] <monteslu> strange that there's almost not info out there about webgl and chromebooks though
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  563. # [17:03] <Aric> I'm using this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nfcpfhebbbidgaeljpngbcpkgbdjpgai and was trying to figure out if there's a way to keep the extension running as if it was clicked on but to hide it when you unfocus it, so that it can run and maintain your chats etc, since the extension loses chats now. dev on that page says he's working on it and i emailed him to help but just figured if anyone knows much about it to help me brains
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  625. # [18:15] <xonecas> o/
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  663. # [18:50] <paul_irish> the google doodle has accellerometer funtimes today
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  677. # [19:13] <skim1776> hey
  678. # [19:13] <skim1776> \list
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  681. # [19:15] <monteslu> paul_irish, i can't find any accelerometer docs or get it work in any browser i own
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  683. # [19:16] <monteslu> chromebook, galaxy tab 10 webkit or firefox, tmobile g2 same
  684. # [19:17] <monteslu> i saw the demo at IO where it worked on a macbook, but that's the last I heard about it until today
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  687. # [19:20] <paul_irish> yeah
  688. # [19:20] <paul_irish> works on macbooks
  689. # [19:20] <paul_irish> and some w7 machines
  690. # [19:20] <paul_irish> and iphone4
  691. # 06[19:20] * tw2113 hands out coffee
  692. # [19:21] <kywebguy> anyone ever have a problem with navigations in mobile safari? The click event seems to happen way to fast. When a user puts their finger on the screen to scroll down and touches one of the links it activates the link insted of scrolling down.
  693. # [19:21] <snover> maybe you need to get a special dialing wand
  694. # [19:23] <jeremyselier> monteslu: if you want to take a look how it works: http://www.jeremyselier.com/s/demo/device_orientation.html
  695. # [19:24] <Jayflux> paul_irish what do you press on dev tools to get those shortcuts come up over the top?
  696. # [19:24] <paul_irish> ?
  697. # [19:25] <monteslu> my work dell latitude apparently must not have accelerometers
  698. # [19:25] <Jayflux> i thought there was a way on dev tools to get the short cuts to all come up? or did i dream this
  699. # [19:25] <monteslu> i know my phone and adroid tablet has them, but their browsers dont care :)
  700. # [19:27] <monteslu> jeremyselier, cool demo. the api looks pretty straight forward. Differnt that the stuff I used to do in phonegap, but i don't know if they just mimic the same api these days
  701. # [19:28] <kywebguy> anyone?
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  706. # [19:29] <monteslu> Jayflux, you sure you dont mean the shortcuts overlaying in ChromeOS?
  707. # [19:30] <monteslu> or maybe I dreamt that too :)
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  709. # [19:30] <Jayflux> im quite sure it was in dev tools from the reloaded video
  710. # [19:30] <Jayflux> it was an overlay though monteslu
  711. # [19:30] <nimbu> hey everyone, it is already 23rd july in some parts of the world, so we should all celebrate paul_irish day!!
  712. # [19:30] <paul_irish> :p
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  716. # [19:31] <jeremyselier> \o/
  717. # [19:34] <tw2113> isn't that every day except national holidays nimbu ?
  718. # [19:34] <bot-t> (12 hours 40 mins ago) <niftylettuce__> tell tw2113 I found it =) http://eldapo.lembobrothers.com/2008/07/16/gedit-plugins-split-screen/
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  720. # [19:34] <Jayflux> ahh found it
  721. # [19:34] <nimbu> well 23rd is extra special
  722. # [19:34] <Jayflux> its shift ?
  723. # [19:34] <tw2113> because he survived on earth 1 year more?
  724. # [19:34] <Jayflux> monteslu, paul_irish i wasnt dreaming it it is there lol
  725. # [19:34] <monteslu> cool!
  726. # [19:34] <Jayflux> i had to re-watch the video to find that
  727. # [19:35] <tw2113> nonetheless....woo Paul Irish Day
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  729. # [19:36] <monteslu> viva Paul Irish
  730. # [19:36] <nimbu> yes thats the spirit monteslu
  731. # [19:36] <monteslu> oh and thanks for the requestanimation shim code!
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  748. # [20:02] <hober> How's everyone enjoying the new Safari release?
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  752. # [20:05] <paul_irish> hober: no file api. :((
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  754. # [20:05] <paul_irish> webgl is still opt-in, too? thats a little funky.
  755. # [20:05] <paul_irish> aside from that i think its hotttt
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  757. # [20:06] <hober> paul_irish: http://www.webkit.org/demos/mathml/MathMLDemo.xhtml :)
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  760. # [20:07] <paul_irish> saw that had dropped. :)
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  762. # [20:07] <paul_irish> hober: ya'll should release more often than IE.
  763. # [20:08] <hober> :)
  764. # [20:09] <paul_irish> hmm are there orientation events in desktop safari?
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  766. # [20:10] <paul_irish> guess not. funky.
  767. # [20:11] <kywebguy> does anyone know how to keep mobile safari from following a link when it is touched?
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  769. # [20:13] <paul_irish> hober: hw accel 2d canvas in 5.1 right?
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  771. # [20:13] <paul_irish> totally awesome :)
  772. # [20:13] <kywebguy> Im at my wits end with this thing. I've searched all over the web. And not being very familiar with mobile development I really have no idea how to properly ask my question. It is very frustrating
  773. # [20:14] <tw2113> kywebguy i wonder if in the markup, you could add some js to have it return false
  774. # [20:14] <tw2113> which, on limited knowledge, is one way that people add things to links without actually taking them to the url associated
  775. # [20:15] <tw2113> and sometimes, i believe, prevent hashtags from showing up in the url too
  776. # [20:15] <paul_irish> there isnt an 'easy' way per se
  777. # [20:15] <paul_irish> but you could measure the time between touchstart and touchend
  778. # [20:15] <paul_irish> and if it met some criteria
  779. # [20:15] <paul_irish> cancel the click event that fires on the <a> thus killing the navigation
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  781. # [20:17] <kywebguy> yea, im not sure of the proper thing to do here. When the user touches the screen to scroll past the nav mobile safari follows whatever link the user touched. This site http://m.digiti.be/ does not do this.
  782. # [20:18] <kywebguy> a user that touches a nav item on that site will not be instantly swept away to another page. Scroll happens first
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  788. # [20:33] <kywebguy> i give up :(
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  790. # [20:34] <xonecas> kywebguy: bind ev.preventDefault() to the link, and make a custom handler for it. using the pattern paul_irish mentioned earlier
  791. # [20:35] <xonecas> that way the link will only be followed if it matches your criteria
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  793. # [20:36] <kywebguy> xonecas: thanks. idk how to do that but ill learn :)
  794. # [20:38] <xonecas> What library are you using? jQuery?
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  800. # [20:47] <kywebguy> yes
  801. # [20:47] <kywebguy> xonecas: i have been looking at adding in jqtouch
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  805. # [20:56] <BrianBlakely> Is there a querySelector pseudo-class for a selected <option> ?
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  807. # [20:57] <BrianBlakely> I assume if it doesn't exist in CSS, I'm SOL
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  809. # [20:58] <paul_irish> sol, bro
  810. # [20:58] <paul_irish> jquery has one, css dont
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  812. # [21:01] <BrianBlakely> I came away with a comparatively clean alternative: elSelect[elSelect.selectedIndex]
  813. # [21:01] <BrianBlakely> It's good to analyze the properties of form elements
  814. # [21:02] <BrianBlakely> I'm not even completely sure why that works
  815. # [21:02] <BrianBlakely> So a <select> node can be seen as an array of <option>s … juh?
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  817. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> Somewhat, yes
  818. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> I'd suggest using select.options, though
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  838. # [21:30] <tw2113> *sad face* http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/ is down
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  843. # [21:48] <BrianBlakely> Ms2ger: Meh, I'm targeting mobile Webkit only, I feel pretty safe. Thanks for the suggestion
  844. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> Not for compat, pretty much everyone supports it, afaik
  845. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> Just because it's less magic
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  849. # [21:51] <BitVenture> hi
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  888. # [22:57] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/sgalineau/status/94506692431187968
  889. # [22:57] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/mXl700 @sgalineau: Blob jumping, as it turns out, is not an HTML5 File API hack http://t.co/jNBuKCE. But it looks almost as much fun as one.
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