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  3. # [00:00] <newz2000> right. ;-)
  4. # [00:00] <Pomax> and it's not exactly recommended
  5. # [00:01] <Pomax> from what I know it's mostly in there for compelteness. "It an be inferred, therefore if it's missing it should be, therefore it's technically optional"
  6. # [00:01] <newz2000> Think of all the bandwidth we'd save if we left off the starting head, body and colgroup tags!
  7. # [00:01] <Pomax> *completeness
  8. # [00:01] <Pomax> done.
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  12. # [00:02] <Pomax> but I'd rather think of all the bandwidth we'd save if emails were protocol-level tracable to their origin
  13. # [00:02] <newz2000> yeah, that'd be awesome
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  16. # [00:04] <Alice^> bonsoir
  17. # [00:04] <Pomax> for another minute.
  18. # [00:04] <Alice^> oups
  19. # [00:04] <Alice^> sorry
  20. # [00:04] <Pomax> then it'll be bonmercredi
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  28. # [00:11] <xonecas> o/
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  96. # [02:21] <jadew> any idea how to set a js object in the dataTransfer object?
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  120. # [03:17] <niftylettuce> paul_irish_: stayin' on top of gists from february, WORD
  121. # [03:18] <boogyman> don't hate ;)
  122. # [03:19] <niftylettuce> xonecas: \o
  123. # [03:19] <tw2113> don't hate...regulate
  124. # [03:20] <niftylettuce> speculate the hate for what you ate is gonna make you mate with a hot date who specializes in $ ./make
  125. # [03:20] <niftylettuce> err umm
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  128. # [03:21] <tw2113> i was about to bust a beat for you
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  132. # [03:34] <niftylettuce> TOTES STRAIGHT BRO
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  134. # [03:43] <danielfilho> see you on saturday, new yorkers :D
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  137. # [03:43] <niftylettuce> /s/yorkers/yorkahs\'s
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  513. # [14:21] <Raynos> Is it ready yet?
  514. # [14:21] <dr0id> no
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  517. # [14:35] <Raynos> What are we wating for?
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  522. # [14:44] <Moo^_^> Raynos: you
  523. # [14:44] <Moo^_^> Raynos: it's a living document
  524. # [14:45] <Moo^_^> Raynos: asking a question "is it ready yet?" does not make sense
  525. # [14:45] <Moo^_^> it means that you completely miss the point of HTML5
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  529. # [14:50] <dr0id> I thought he was talking about Breakfast
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  533. # [14:56] <Moo^_^> dr0id: :P
  534. # [14:56] <Moo^_^> I hope he was :D
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  536. # [14:59] <Raynos> I guess it doesnt make sense
  537. # [14:59] <Raynos> It depends what you call "html5"
  538. # [15:00] <sean`> My clients call everything that isn't flash html5
  539. # [15:00] <Raynos> silverlight is html5?
  540. # [15:00] <sean`> "Oh, it's on the iPad. That's HTML5 right?"
  541. # [15:00] <sean`> Raynos, my clients don't know about silverlight.
  542. # [15:00] <xec> no, silverlight is flash, riiiight? :D
  543. # [15:01] <sean`> I haven't told them about that little gem
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  547. # [15:03] <Moo^_^> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7332479/not-indexing-parts-of-html bummer
  548. # [15:03] <dr0id> I think you are one of those who should go and diaf
  549. # [15:04] <Moo^_^> sean`: microsoft is abandoning silverlight in favour of HTML5
  550. # [15:04] <Moo^_^> :)
  551. # [15:05] <dr0id> very soon they will do the same for .net and node.js
  552. # [15:05] <dr0id> .net in favour of node.js*
  553. # [15:06] * Moo^_^ will hope to live to see that day
  554. # [15:08] <Raynos> dr0id: not going to happen
  555. # [15:10] <dr0id> which one ? .net in favour of node.js ? or you diaf'in ?
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  557. # [15:11] <Raynos> node.js in favour of .net
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  559. # [15:13] <Raynos> Wait what, me diaf :( people these days
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  704. # [18:44] <samy^> hallo
  705. # [18:45] <cheilmann> hey
  706. # [18:45] <samy^> those flash people were right, you guys are distant
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  708. # [18:45] <samy^> what's up cheilmann
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  710. # [18:46] <cheilmann> opposite of down
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  712. # [18:48] * paul_irish gets all close and intimate with samy.
  713. # [18:48] <paul_irish> better? :p
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  715. # [18:49] <cheilmann> I am worried
  716. # [18:49] <cheilmann> what did I do not to get that treatment?
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  718. # [18:50] <samy^> who needs actionscript when i get action from paul irish?
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  720. # [18:50] <Raynos> Thats creepy
  721. # [18:50] <samy^> this is irc, it's supposed to be creepy
  722. # [18:50] <tantek> samy - any relationship to the Evercookie person?
  723. # [18:51] <tantek> (speaking of creepy)
  724. # [18:51] <samy^> tantek, yup, he is the evil offspring of my mother
  725. # [18:52] <paul_irish> (its him, yup)
  726. # [18:52] <tantek> what's your preferred Chipotle burrito?
  727. # [18:53] <cheilmann> samy^: how long did all that research take you? Evercookie had some very bizarre fallbacks :)
  728. # [18:53] <samy^> steak burrito bol
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  730. # [18:53] <samy^> "asada" as they say in LA
  731. # [18:53] <cheilmann> tantek: is that your "let's catch a bot" question?
  732. # [18:53] <cheilmann> if so, it fails with people not from the US.
  733. # [18:53] <cheilmann> or vegetarians
  734. # [18:54] <samy^> just wait till we get some bot on bot action like on cnet the other day
  735. # [18:54] <tantek> cheilmann - no - it's a rough Samy identity challenge-response protocol
  736. # [18:54] <cheilmann> paul_irish: did you see the JSON wrapper for generating CSS animations? http://blog.joelambert.co.uk/2011/09/07/accessing-modifying-css3-animations-with-javascript/
  737. # [18:54] <paul_irish> yeah saw your tweet a bit ago
  738. # [18:54] <paul_irish> joe's got great stuff
  739. # [18:54] <cheilmann> I like when people do stuff like that as responses :)
  740. # [18:54] <tantek> cheilmann - search this page for "Chipotle" : http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2005-10-14-n81.html
  741. # [18:54] <paul_irish> ya
  742. # [18:55] <cheilmann> samy^: that bot on bot thing was on XKCD today
  743. # [18:55] <samy^> cheilmann: oh sweet!
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  745. # [18:56] <cheilmann> some of the responses to http://codepo8.github.com/CSS3-Rainbow-Dividers/ were amazing
  746. # [18:56] <cheilmann> "this can't be serious"
  747. # [18:56] <cheilmann> O RLY
  748. # [18:57] <samy^> damn it i hate when everything you say is actively displayed on the net http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html5/
  749. # [18:57] <samy^> i feel like we're in "we live in public"
  750. # [18:57] <samy^> or behind a well lit window in amsterdam
  751. # [18:58] <cheilmann> the well lit ones are OK
  752. # [18:58] <cheilmann> the red ones are a different story
  753. # [18:58] <Raynos> Those rainbow dividers are madness
  754. # [18:59] <cheilmann> I hate it when localhost is slower than the web
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  763. # [19:09] <Michael> Closing on a new house on the 26th :D
  764. # [19:10] <samy^> i need a JS API to create dubstep
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  766. # [19:10] <Pomax> so.. the audio API
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  771. # [19:12] <samy^> is just for listening, no? i assume creation would just be JS manipulation of the raw waveform
  772. # [19:12] <Pomax> dsp.js
  773. # [19:12] <Pomax> generate the hell out of those empty samples
  774. # [19:13] <Pomax> https://github.com/corbanbrook/dsp.js?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  775. # [19:13] <samy^> sweet
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  864. # [21:12] <dilvie> I found something interesting: If you bombard Chrome's audio element with position change calls (like, update on mouse move), it can crash the browser. Awesome. =) So, no audio scrubbing in Chrome.
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  868. # [21:13] <Pomax> file it.
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  870. # [21:13] <Pomax> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list
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  881. # [21:23] <dilvie> creating test case. =)
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  897. # [21:40] <paul_irish> Pomax: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Sep/0016.html etc
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  902. # [21:44] <Pomax> aha! very nice, thanks for the link
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  924. # [22:17] <tw2113> paul_irish comment on reddit regarding chris heilmann's and lea verou's rainbow dividers: "i can't believe Paul Irish isn't behind this."
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  930. # [22:27] <dilvie> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=95708 - oops.. I only typed half of the title. Should say "crashes Chrome" on the end.
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  933. # [22:35] <paul_irish> dilvie: can you retest in canary
  934. # [22:38] <dilvie> paul_irish: Sure.
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  936. # [22:39] <dilvie> I've been having fun with the audio stuff.
  937. # [22:39] <dilvie> I found some other quirks I'll report when I have time to make test cases, too.
  938. # [22:40] <paul_irish> k
  939. # [22:40] <paul_irish> dope
  940. # [22:40] <dilvie> =)
  941. # [22:40] <paul_irish> canary's audio situation should be a lot better than stable's
  942. # [22:40] <dilvie> Is there a way to turn off js file caching?
  943. # [22:40] <dilvie> oh great!
  944. # [22:40] <paul_irish> in canary you can turn off the disk cache completely
  945. # [22:40] <dilvie> testing now...
  946. # [22:41] <dilvie> very cool.. thanks Paul!
  947. # [22:41] <paul_irish> its in the devtools settings menu
  948. # [22:41] <dilvie> I didn't know I could turn off cache in canary.
  949. # [22:41] <paul_irish> its new
  950. # [22:41] <dilvie> I need to pay more attention to these things. =)
  951. # [22:41] <paul_irish> ish
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  953. # [22:43] <dilvie> hi
  954. # [22:43] <JSManiacs> dilvie: I'm here
  955. # [22:43] <dilvie> hey, welcome to #html5
  956. # [22:44] <dilvie> paul_irish: JSManiacs is a new co-worker here at RootMusic. =)
  957. # [22:44] <paul_irish> sweet! wassup dude
  958. # [22:44] <JSManiacs> paul_irish: Hey Paul. This is my 3rd week in the city (moved from Bend, OR). I'm excited to plug into the local communities
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  961. # [22:46] <dilvie> paul_irish: My test case doesn't crash canary.
  962. # [22:47] <dilvie> Nice! =)
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  964. # [22:52] <JSManiacs> dilvie: so is there a setting in Canary that will force the browser to never cache
  965. # [22:54] <dilvie> JSManiacs: in the devtools settings menu.
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  987. # [23:22] <dilvie> is there a way to see if an audio/video element is playing without waiting for an event?
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  994. # [23:29] <cheilmann> dilvie: maybe reading currentTime. But why would you? Events are what make it safe
  995. # [23:30] <dilvie> to implement a non-async isPlaying()
  996. # [23:31] <dilvie> cheilmann: currentTime doesn't tell you if it's paused, does it?
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  998. # [23:34] <cheilmann> v.paused does
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  1002. # [23:37] <dilvie> ah. =)
  1003. # [23:39] <trave> so, ive got some html5 video with a swf fallback, on a page ... the m4v file works for me in Chrome, and the swf plays fine for IE ... but Firefox just gives me an X ... anybody mind taking a look at the site/code for me?
  1004. # [23:39] <trave> i used miro to convert the mov to a webm file as well, but firefox doesnt seem to like that either.
  1005. # [23:40] <cheilmann> which firefox for starters?
  1006. # [23:40] <cheilmann> got a url?
  1007. # [23:40] <trave> i guess im in the 7 beta. is that no good?
  1008. # [23:41] <trave> needle.com
  1009. # [23:41] <trave> the js that embeds the video tag is: needle.com/js/needle.min.js
  1010. # [23:41] <cheilmann> that doesn't help much
  1011. # [23:42] <cheilmann> got the page where the video fails to play?
  1012. # [23:42] <trave> needle.com
  1013. # [23:44] <cheilmann> seems to be a server issue
  1014. # [23:44] <cheilmann> the server sends the webm file as text/plain
  1015. # [23:45] <trave> ah, thanks man, I'll get on that.
  1016. # [23:45] <cheilmann> https://img.skitch.com/20110907-cxi6amkdixsjq8iigmumiycft8.gif
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  1019. # [23:49] <trave> cheilmann: Thanks, that fixed it :]
  1020. # [23:50] <cheilmann> servers
  1021. # [23:50] <cheilmann> those pesky things :)
  1022. # [23:50] <trave> heh
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