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  4. # [00:00] <grantg> I might just give up on further JS emulator projects and keep it all in Java/C++ until JS engines get their shit straightened out.
  5. # [00:01] <grantg> At least chrome's GC is comparable to Java's...
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  92. # [02:02] <daleharvey> anyone think of an easy way to be able to opaquely read and write things like background attributes - http://pastebin.me/d616f84b269b0e1deb8321437000602f
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  142. # [04:43] <deeprogram> hey ? where can I get canvas API reference ?
  143. # [04:44] <csmrfx> google
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  149. # [05:16] <obert-> i get a weird beauvier using a font via @font-face
  150. # [05:19] <obert-> why ask here though
  151. # [05:24] <tw2113> because you can?
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  156. # [05:27] <jarek> what's the most elegant way to insert DOM element as a first child of another element?
  157. # [05:27] <jarek> parentElement.insertBefore() looks a bit ugly
  158. # [05:28] <jarek> is there something like element.prependChild()?
  159. # [05:30] <obert-> tw2113: not sure, but seems that my font havent those àòè chars so it'll be not rendered
  160. # [05:30] <tw2113> my first guess is slight corruption in the font file
  161. # [05:30] <obert-> the weird thing is why it havent them
  162. # [05:30] <obert-> http://ramacciotti.altervista.org/test.png
  163. # [05:31] <jarek> s/parentElement.insertBefore()/parentElement.firstChild.insertBefore()
  164. # [05:33] <obert-> hehe am i on #html5 or #js?
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  201. # [07:05] <tw2113> anyone in here have BigCommerce.com experience?
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  218. # [08:12] <tw2113> I'm growing fairly certain that we can soon ditch serving ttf for @font-face, since woff seems to be taking over for everything except for IE6-8
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  229. # [08:33] <tw2113> Each @font-face font kit come with: TrueType Fonts for Firefox 3.5+ , Opera 10+, Safari 3.1+, Chrome 4.0.249.4+
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  368. # [12:40] <aitiba> hi
  369. # [12:41] <aitiba> on appCache what means that manifest has changes?
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  411. # [13:47] <pocopina> muay-guy: it depends. read this... http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/docs/pages/page-scripting.html
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  416. # [14:02] <doritoDan> Should nav be used in conjunction with ul's?
  417. # [14:02] <doritoDan> Or should it just contain anchors?
  418. # [14:07] <Pomax> <nav> is semantic, you wrap it around your navigation code. If that code involves a ul, that's perfectly fine
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  427. # [14:37] <doritoDan> Pomax: The questino is whether the code *should* include ULs
  428. # [14:37] <doritoDan> considering I'm making a link bar
  429. # [14:38] <Ms2ger> I'd personally use a ul, but not using one is fine too
  430. # [14:39] <doritoDan> Well, from what I understand using a UL is preferable
  431. # [14:39] <doritoDan> but won't it be superfluous when wrapped by a nav tag?
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  433. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> Not really
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  435. # [14:44] <doritoDan> Ok.
  436. # [14:44] <doritoDan> Cool, thanks.
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  441. # [14:51] <aitiba> what is wrong here http://pastebin.com/xNMcsZ3q. I get "missing ) after argument list" on line 16 only on firefox
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  492. # [15:51] <aitiba> I fix the problem of updating the manifest :-D
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  528. # [16:48] <mantas322> hello
  529. # [16:48] <mantas322> anyone here?
  530. # [16:48] <mantas322> I'm tryign to save xml into local storeage
  531. # [16:49] <mantas322> anyone have any advice on how to handle quotes and whatnot, or how I can convert my XML variable into something thats approriate for html5 storeage???
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  534. # [16:53] <Michael> use json :D
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  536. # [16:56] <mantas322> I cant :(
  537. # [16:56] <mantas322> I have 3,500 articles in xml format
  538. # [16:57] <mantas322> Now i'd like to give the user the ability to "SAVE FOR OFFLINE USE" and all i really need to do is save the article key as the key and the xml content as the value
  539. # [16:58] <Michael> I guess you'll have to like encapsulate it in single quotes after escaping single quotes in the content
  540. # [16:58] <mantas322> I hope the double quotes are the only exception
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  579. # [17:55] <Pomax> doritoDan, the <nav> element is not a replacement so much as a new, semantics-only element, so there are no rules on what it should be around, or what should be in it. If you add it, clients that understand "intention" expressed with things like <nav> and <section> etc. will be able to understand you better, but that's all they do. So no rules on what should, or should not, be in them in terms
  580. # [17:55] <Pomax> of HTML. Only on what they should contain in terms of "what the data represents"
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  584. # [17:56] <doritoDan> Pomax: Yeah but there's always a common consensus on what's considered good practice.
  585. # [17:56] <Pomax> true. I think a list apart did a good job establishing that your nav menu as a ul makes more sense than as a collection of anchors =)
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  587. # [18:00] <rhelic> I'm having a bizarre issue with iOS viewing an encrypted site, it's throwing an error about the cert
  588. # [18:00] <rhelic> but yet on the desktop, the cert is fine https://wartburg.webfood.com/m/
  589. # [18:00] <Pomax> is it using one of the recently recalled certificates?
  590. # [18:00] <rhelic> it's a *.webfood.com cert
  591. # [18:00] <Pomax> The site's security certificate is not trusted!
  592. # [18:00] <Pomax> You attempted to reach wartburg.webfood.com, but the server presented a certificate issued by an entity that is not trusted by your computer's operating system. This may mean that the server has generated its own security credentials, which Google Chrome cannot rely on for identity information, or an attacker may be trying to intercept your communications. You should not proceed, especially if
  593. # [18:00] <Pomax> you have never seen this warning before for this site.
  594. # [18:01] <rhelic> that recalled one, iirc, was updated in my browsers awhile ago, my iOS is only 5.0.0 which is older than my desktop
  595. # [18:01] <rhelic> nope
  596. # [18:01] <Pomax> Chrome doesn't like this certificate either
  597. # [18:01] <rhelic> really, my chrome isn't complaining at all
  598. # [18:02] <rhelic> nor IE9
  599. # [18:03] <Pomax> ust-in-digicert-certificates-178092
  600. # [18:03] <Pomax> ...no
  601. # [18:03] <Pomax> http://www.infoworld.com/d/security/mozilla-microsoft-withdraw-trust-in-digicert-certificates-178092
  602. # [18:03] <Pomax> and this is a 2010 digicert certificate.
  603. # [18:03] <Pomax> I expect they've been blacklisted or flagged by others too
  604. # [18:04] <rhelic> nor FF9
  605. # [18:04] <rhelic> ahh
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  607. # [18:05] <mcnesium> can i use input type file and type radiobutton together in one namespace, so that i have either checked that radiobutton or selected a file to upload?
  608. # [18:05] <rhelic> Pomax: ahh thanks!
  609. # [18:05] <mcnesium> without using javascript to check it, that is
  610. # [18:07] <Pomax> mcnesium: namespace?
  611. # [18:08] <mcnesium> well, having the same name="thisismynamespace" attribute
  612. # [18:08] <mcnesium> so that they know they belong together
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  614. # [18:08] <mcnesium> providing an either-or decision
  615. # [18:08] <Pomax> ah
  616. # [18:09] <Pomax> wonder what the actual name for that is, since namespace traditionally refers to the markup language element namespace.
  617. # [18:09] <mcnesium> i want to have an option to either upload a new image or the option to not change the picture
  618. # [18:09] <Pomax> hmm, I'm not sure you can do that without some js, but let's finnd out
  619. # [18:09] <Pomax> *finnd
  620. # [18:09] <Pomax> ...
  621. # [18:09] <Pomax> I guess that n really wants to be there
  622. # [18:09] <mcnesium> to much coffee ;)
  623. # [18:10] <mcnesium> i tried setting the same name attribute, but it doesnt recognize that here
  624. # [18:10] <mcnesium> i set the radiobutton to checked in the first place
  625. # [18:10] <Pomax> I'm almost sure that you can't do that across different types, but I'm looking it up
  626. # [18:11] <mcnesium> but when i add a file to the file input, the checking of the radio button still stays
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  628. # [18:15] <Pomax> I radio button group behaviour does not apply to anything that's not a radio button, so if you have an input type="file" name="thesameastheradiobutton", the radiobutton state will have no effect on the file input element.
  629. # [18:15] <Pomax> -I
  630. # [18:15] <Pomax> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#radio-button-state-type-radio
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  632. # [18:17] <rhelic> Pomax: further investigation is that there are two companies called DigiCert
  633. # [18:18] <rhelic> Pomax: I'm not sure if the cert for our other domain is the same DigiCert or not, but it's still legit
  634. # [18:18] <rhelic> kind of funny since the one is question is 256bit and the one that's ok is 128bit
  635. # [18:22] <Pomax> weird
  636. # [18:22] <daleharvey> does anyone know if its possible to get the image data when you drag an image from a browser to browser
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  638. # [18:23] <daleharvey> I am not seeing the data in the drop event, its certainly different from when you drop from a filebrowser
  639. # [18:23] <daleharvey> and failing that, is there anything in the newer browsers that lets me access the clipboard
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  644. # [18:34] <mcnesium> thx Pomax
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  811. # [22:05] <infid> does html5 use quotes around the charset value? i've seen it written as both: <meta charset="UTF-8"> and <meta charset=utf-8>, which is it?
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  813. # [22:06] <Jon47> infid - html is very forgiving
  814. # [22:07] <Jon47> you can use http://mothereff.in/unquoted-attributes to help determine when you *need* to add quotes
  815. # [22:08] <infid> ok
  816. # [22:08] <Jon47> i think in the charset example you gave, quotes are not required
  817. # [22:08] <infid> also is it valid to not have a lang attribute in the html tag
  818. # [22:08] <infid> or should html5 have <html lang="whatever">
  819. # [22:08] <Jon47> check html5 validity here: http://validator.w3.org/
  820. # [22:09] <Pomax> any attribute with special characters requires quoting, single words don't
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  822. # [22:09] <infid> Jon47: i tried that but it says its experimental and ignores charset and lang
  823. # [22:09] <Jon47> ah! my bad
  824. # [22:10] <Jon47> i think it's a good idea to include the charset and the language
  825. # [22:10] <infid> yeah
  826. # [22:10] <Jon47> oh hey
  827. # [22:10] <Jon47> this is kind of a fun page
  828. # [22:10] <Jon47> http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/minimal-html
  829. # [22:10] <Pomax> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/syntax.html#syntax-attr-unquoted
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  832. # [22:11] <Pomax> because you use a -, you must quote it
  833. # [22:11] <Jon47> suggests that the minimum valid html does not require charset or lang
  834. # [22:11] <infid> good point
  835. # [22:11] <infid> the book 'head first html5' just says that charset="UTF-8" is required
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  839. # [22:14] <Pomax> browsers are supposed to default to utf8 as charset, but they always try to guess, so to be correct you generally want to stick in a <meta charset="utf-8">
  840. # [22:15] <infid> cool
  841. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> Browsers aren't actually supposed to default to utf8
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  861. # [22:53] <Che-Anarc> If I define a class > .thslide_list div { } & already have parent <div class="thslide_list"> how I refer to div therein?
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  866. # [22:57] <tw2113> eh? Che-Anarc
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  869. # [22:58] <Che-Anarc> I trying to understand in CSS whne you define that how 1 references it... is it even valid? I would to create a div within .thslide_list
  870. # [22:59] <tw2113> so you have <div class="thslide_list><div>something</div></div> ?
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  877. # [23:07] <aitiba> hi
  878. # [23:07] <tw2113> yo
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