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  1. # Session Start: Wed Feb 01 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <Fyrd> Also I'm still fairly new to github, so not necessarily sure what a gh-page is.
  4. # [00:00] <JonathanNeal> Well, sometimes you can create github pages for your projects that live @ your-username.github.com
  5. # [00:02] <JonathanNeal> it acts like a branch of your git project. the difference between them is the way the content is served. some browsers throw a fit when reading raw data from github (<script src="//github.com/raw/somefile.js"></script>) because the content type is wrong.
  6. # [00:02] <JonathanNeal> btw, thank you for sharing your work.
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  23. # [00:07] <JonathanNeal> Fyrd: so I take it I may use your data, but you would prefer if I got it from git vs your website?
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  27. # [00:09] <JonathanNeal> divya: you around?
  28. # [00:10] <JonathanNeal> Fyrd: what do you use the 'supported' object for?
  29. # [00:10] <divya> here JonathanNeal
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  31. # [00:12] <JonathanNeal> re: my issue about pulling in this data
  32. # [00:12] <JonathanNeal> above ^
  33. # [00:12] <Fyrd> Sorry, was called away.
  34. # [00:13] <JonathanNeal> I could also fork the project for our own purposes *if we want to make a jsonp version for 3rd party sites to directly use*
  35. # [00:13] <Fyrd> Let me catch up. :)
  36. # [00:13] <JonathanNeal> Fyrd: awesome, and thank you for coming here to help us out!
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  38. # [00:14] <divya> JonathanNeal: I think you can work on your fork
  39. # [00:14] <divya> and when it is awesome
  40. # [00:14] <divya> and Fyrd thinks it is relevant
  41. # [00:14] <divya> we can merge it in :)
  42. # [00:15] <Fyrd> The main reason I'd prefer people access through github is that I can keep better track of what's going on and don't have to worry about my server being overloaded with requests.
  43. # [00:15] <divya> yes
  44. # [00:15] <divya> agreed.
  45. # [00:15] <divya> i think you can request the json file from github JonathanNeal
  46. # [00:15] <divya> if I am not wrong.
  47. # [00:15] <Fyrd> If I can setup a github page to make that easier I'd be happy to do that.
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  49. # [00:15] <Fyrd> Yeah, that was my assumptions, divya.
  50. # [00:16] <JonathanNeal> divya: and the mime type won't throw any browsers?
  51. # [00:16] <divya> i think not.
  52. # [00:16] <divya> but i dont know >_>
  53. # [00:17] <JonathanNeal> okay
  54. # [00:17] <Fyrd> JonathanNeal: And the "supported" object is really just used for searches people do so the site can say all modern browsers support those. :)
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  56. # [00:17] <divya> JonathanNeal: worst case we can set up pages as you said.
  57. # [00:17] <Fyrd> Basically they were common searches that I didn't feel required detailed tables.
  58. # [00:17] <Fyrd> Probably not much use to others.
  59. # [00:18] <divya> example Fyrd?
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  61. # [00:18] <Fyrd> Oh and people would search for "jQuery" so I wanted to explain to people that jQuery isn't a web tech in itself. :)
  62. # [00:19] <divya> lolol
  63. # [00:19] <divya> omg
  64. # [00:19] <Fyrd> divya: "z-index","text-transform","margin","letter-spacing"
  65. # [00:19] <divya> ah k k.
  66. # [00:19] <divya> i think thats a good idea.
  67. # [00:19] <Fyrd> Currently the most popular "unfound" search is "zoom". Still trying to figure out why.
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  70. # [00:19] <Fyrd> May the the CSS zoom-in and zoom-out cursors, not sure.
  71. # [00:20] <Fyrd> Hopefully not the IE prop.
  72. # [00:20] <divya> unlikely just zoom: 1 thing
  73. # [00:20] <divya> sadly that is what my money is on :/
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  75. # [00:20] <Fyrd> But then why see if other browsers support that?
  76. # [00:20] <divya> you should write a post with all these funny things you see
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  78. # [00:20] <Fyrd> I should.
  79. # [00:21] <Fyrd> Any other questions/suggestions, JonathanNeal?
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  81. # [00:21] <Fyrd> I know I need to write an explanation for the JSON object.
  82. # [00:21] <Fyrd> And add it to the README or something.
  83. # [00:21] <divya> hehe yes that would be great!
  84. # [00:21] <divya> but i think this is a good start already i think
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  86. # [00:22] <JonathanNeal> Fyrd: still exploring the awesomeness.
  87. # [00:22] <Fyrd> :)
  88. # [00:23] <JonathanNeal> I'm building model airplanes with this data object :D
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  90. # [00:24] <JonathanNeal> But really, I've forked your code and I'm having a great time making something very usable.
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  92. # [00:25] <JonathanNeal> Fyrd: so y means yes, n means n, and u means untested?
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  94. # [00:25] <JonathanNeal> is there one for prefixed?
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  96. # [00:25] <JonathanNeal> "x" ?
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  98. # [00:26] <JonathanNeal> i'm guessing "y" means yes, "n" means no, and "x" means prefix.
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  100. # [00:27] <JonathanNeal> and "u" means unknown.
  101. # [00:28] <divya> sounds like it
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  106. # [00:35] <Fyrd> Yes, correct. :)
  107. # [00:35] <Fyrd> and "a" means partial support.
  108. # [00:35] <Fyrd> and "p" means polyfill.
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  111. # [00:37] <Fyrd> Need to get back to work now, but will hang out here in case you have any more questions, JonathanNeal.
  112. # [00:37] <JonathanNeal> Thanks Fyrd, so much.
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  114. # [00:38] <Fyrd> Glad to be of service!
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  164. # [01:18] <mightym> does someone have a hint dealing with this cache manifest issue http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8985913/html5-offline-online-app ?
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  197. # [02:01] <yamahaalex37> please help, shopping cart icon in top right is being clipped in half: http://entbiz.eternaware.com/
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  204. # [02:10] <carminec> yamahaalex37: not in FF10 - although your background img took some time to load, maybe make it lighter?
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  206. # [02:11] <yamahaalex37> i just fixed it carminec , had to display: block the <a>
  207. # [02:11] <yamahaalex37> and yeah bg is horrible, just a placeholder from stockxchang, i haven;t localized it yet
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  216. # [02:19] <carminec> yamahaalex37: nice
  217. # [02:19] <JonathanNeal> We need shorthand names for caniuse properties
  218. # [02:19] <bot-t> (47 mins 50 secs ago) <paul_irish> tell jonathanneal caniuse api: https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/test/js/unit-caniuse.js
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  221. # [02:19] <JonathanNeal> oh yea, paul_irish, i forked it, beaufied it, tested it in php, just working on it between work work.
  222. # [02:20] <paul_irish> coolness
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  224. # [02:23] <tw2113> you crazy kids and all your forking
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  227. # [02:24] <tw2113> pretty soon you're going to have yourself a little clone
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  230. # [02:25] <steppy2> how do i affect the class of a certain div id
  231. # [02:26] <tw2113> affect how?
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  233. # [02:26] <steppy2> like
  234. # [02:26] <steppy2> i need to write style on the html page for a particular div id
  235. # [02:27] <steppy2> div id's class
  236. # [02:27] <steppy2> so it can only overwrite the class
  237. # [02:27] <steppy2> for that div id
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  258. # [02:48] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: http://paulirish.com/i/2cb8f0.png
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  306. # [03:53] <ryanseddon> oh I'm not seeing that in canary? paul_irish
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  363. # [05:13] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: nope. requires a cmd line flag
  364. # [05:13] <paul_irish> --enable-devtools-experiments (i think)
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  366. # [05:13] <paul_irish> and then settings cog
  367. # [05:14] <ryanseddon> not in about:flags?
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  369. # [05:14] <paul_irish> nope
  370. # [05:14] <paul_irish> so hidden.
  371. # [05:15] <paul_irish> /Applications/Google\ Chrome\ Canary.app/Contents/MacOS/Google\ Chrome\ Canary --enable-devtools-experiments
  372. # [05:15] <ryanseddon> well its cool anyway that this problem has been addressed
  373. # [05:15] <paul_irish> yah
  374. # [05:15] <ryanseddon> already did that
  375. # [05:15] <ryanseddon> except windows
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  377. # [05:17] <paul_irish> right
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  379. # [05:18] <paul_irish> and enable in settings at the bottom
  380. # [05:18] <ryanseddon> i'm not seeinf an option for it in the cog settings
  381. # [05:18] <paul_irish> huh
  382. # [05:18] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: http://paulirish.com/i/3a17a0.png
  383. # [05:19] <ryanseddon> derp it didn't launch with the flag
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  472. # [07:41] <Ou42> hello
  473. # [07:50] <Ou42> just starting out w/ HTML5 canvas. found some great tuts.
  474. # [07:50] <Ou42> I'm liking the KinectJS guy's tuts, but don't feel ready to use KinectJS just yet.
  475. # [07:50] <Ou42> is there a "simple" way to do mouseover for shapes? there won't be many so speed might not be too much of a concern.
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  482. # [07:56] <JonathanNeal> http://jsperf.com/html5shiv-createelement#chart=bar !!!
  483. # [07:56] <JonathanNeal> html5shiv makes document.createElement faster than native.
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  490. # [08:10] <Viduthalai> is there any way to get html5 features in older blackberry versions?
  491. # [08:11] <smplstk> Viduthalai what features, specifically?
  492. # [08:11] <smplstk> and how old are we talkin'... The answer is most likely no
  493. # [08:11] <Viduthalai> video and local storages
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  496. # [08:12] <Viduthalai> im asking the version below 5.0
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  498. # [08:12] <smplstk> what's the current os build, I'm more familiar with devices
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  500. # [08:13] <smplstk> if it's pre torch, you're pretty much out of luck
  501. # [08:13] <smplstk> since browser versions before that were rather horrid
  502. # [08:14] <smplstk> (even that one is bad)
  503. # [08:15] <smplstk> Viduthalai: check here for shims: https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-Browser-Polyfills
  504. # [08:15] <smplstk> you can have LocalStorage and SessionStorage fall back to cookies
  505. # [08:17] <Viduthalai> thanks dude, i'm not aware of the blackberry os versions, i need to know especially below 5.0 os version
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  858. # [17:33] <philihp> seriously, <![CDATA[ is one of the most awkward things to type in any xml document.
  859. # [17:33] <philihp> it's like the QWERTY of programming
  860. # [17:33] <philihp> </random-thought-that-should-have-been-a-tweet>
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  875. # [17:48] <Conexion> Wooh, Firefox finally rolled out 3D CSS Transformations
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  888. # [17:59] <JonathanNeal> hiya
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  912. # [18:26] <paulcoup> wrote this or whatever http://paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/
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  915. # [18:32] <xec> paulcoup: nice: ) maybe add a warning against applying it to existing sites, could potentially break a lot of carefully calculated css
  916. # [18:32] <paulcoup> true
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  918. # [18:34] <xec> definetely something i'll try in my next fresh layout though
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  924. # [18:37] <xec> paulcoup: also, the link to "use border-box for a lot of form elements" appear to be broken
  925. # [18:38] <paulcoup> xec fixing that too
  926. # [18:39] <paulcoup> thx xec :D
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  931. # [18:40] <xec> no, thank you, big fan of your contributions, learned a lot from your posts - without getting bored, and i am easily bored ;)
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  937. # [18:43] <carminec> paulcoup: your site made my mba go nuts. Is that the background drawing thing?
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  939. # [18:43] <paulcoup> YUP
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  941. # [18:43] <paulcoup> it's a website and a space heater.
  942. # [18:43] <paulcoup> you're welcome
  943. # [18:44] <divya> new meaning to 'big fan'
  944. # [18:44] <xec> lol
  945. # [18:44] <xec> apparently the fans aren't doing a good job in cooling the site
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  948. # [18:45] <carminec> lol
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  978. # [19:05] <ryan_tait> boo I cant scribble all over your pic and put like horns and a moustache on ya face
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  984. # [19:15] <paulcoup> ?mustache http://paulirish.com/avatar.jpg @ ryan_tait
  985. # [19:15] <bot-t> ryan_tait, http://mustachify.me/?src=http:%2f%2fpaulirish.com%2favatar.jpg
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  988. # [19:15] <ryan_tait> paulcoup: haha yup
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  990. # [19:16] <ryan_tait> lol thanks
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  992. # [19:16] <ryan_tait> that will suffice
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  1014. # [19:42] <ryan_tait> hmm trying to sign up for google adsense for a client but it just goes to a blank page :(
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  1016. # [19:44] <ryan_tait> New to Google AdSense? Sign Up Now ... Button just goes to a blank page :(
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  1020. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> I've got great data coming from the caniuse api.
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  1022. # [19:51] <divya> wooo
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  1026. # [19:53] <JonathanNeal> divya: have you seen the urls?
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  1030. # [19:57] <divya> nope!
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  1032. # [20:00] <JonathanNeal> json: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/apng+json.json ... js: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/apng+json.js ... js with callback: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/apng+json.js?callback=holla ... xml (for old people): http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/apng+json.xml
  1033. # [20:00] <JonathanNeal> and if we had a design for an html version, divya, we could export that too.
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  1037. # [20:01] <divya> omg JonathanNeal now what we need is yes exactly
  1038. # [20:01] <divya> a html version
  1039. # [20:01] <divya> JonathanNeal: we dont need a design just markup
  1040. # [20:01] <JonathanNeal> and all the work i'm doing is saved to git @ https://github.com/jonathantneal/caniuse
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  1043. # [20:01] <divya> <p> Supported in [{browser}++]+. </p>
  1044. # [20:01] <divya> with links to each browser
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  1046. # [20:02] <JonathanNeal> Sure, I can whip that up pretty quickly without any thought to content organization or style :)
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  1050. # [20:07] <WebDragon> http://tinypic.com/r/25s6eqt/5 <-- bug on HTML5rocks.com in Opera 11.61
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  1057. # [20:11] <miketaylr> WebDragon: i can't reproduce, but you can file a bug :) http://code.google.com/p/html5rocks/issues/entry
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  1059. # [20:11] <WebDragon> miketaylr: heya! you're not seeing the same thing in 11.61 on Linux ?
  1060. # [20:11] <WebDragon> (maybe I shoulda mentioned Linux)
  1061. # [20:11] <miketaylr> WebDragon: oh i'm on mac
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  1064. # [20:12] <WebDragon> I don't see a link up top for the html5boilerplate thingy
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  1078. # [20:25] <JonathanNeal> divya: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/caniuse/apng+json.html
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  1080. # [20:26] <JonathanNeal> it's a little broken at the moment, but it's getting there.
  1081. # [20:27] <JonathanNeal> need to make a master 'required' object that takes in the minimum requirements for the combined features.
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  1101. # [20:48] <JonathanNeal> done
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  1115. # [20:55] <WebDragon> some of the .woff's in diveintohtml5.info don't have :700-weight components, so when font-weight: 700; is applied to <strong> elements, the text disappears
  1116. # [20:56] <WebDragon> :/
  1117. # [20:57] <JonathanNeal> WebDragon: I can fix that.
  1118. # [20:57] <WebDragon> cheers :)
  1119. # [20:57] <JonathanNeal> Show me where it is?
  1120. # [20:58] <WebDragon> wait, looks like someone found it
  1121. # [20:58] <WebDragon> hold on lemme clear cache just to be sure
  1122. # [20:58] <JonathanNeal> well ... if someone did find it ... that means they have access to my server.
  1123. # [21:00] <WebDragon> “text/html” is called the “content type” or “MIME type” of the page. This header is the only thing <-- "only" was previously not visible
  1124. # [21:01] <WebDragon> maybe it was just having trouble loading the font temporarily
  1125. # [21:01] <WebDragon> was the 3rd ¶ under Mime Types on http://diveintohtml5.info/past.html
  1126. # [21:02] <WebDragon> seems to work fine now
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  1186. # [22:32] <David_Bradbury> paul_irish: It may also be good to mention that border-box will also include the border width but will not include any outline width specified - http://jsfiddle.net/MbKkD/
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  1189. # [22:35] <marten> Anyone ever encountered the bug that HTML5 audio and video suddenly starts skipping frames?
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  1192. # [22:38] <David_Bradbury> marten: Nope, but I imagine the bug is specific to a rendering engine and not the HTML5 spec
  1193. # [22:38] <David_Bradbury> What browser are you having an issue in?
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  1197. # [22:39] <marten> David_Bradbury: chrome and firefox
  1198. # [22:39] <marten> so i think it could also be OS specific
  1199. # [22:39] <marten> (ubuntu linux)
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  1201. # [22:40] <David_Bradbury> marten: What graphics card are you using?
  1202. # [22:41] <andrewjbaker> marten, are you running low on memory?
  1203. # [22:41] <marten> nvidia gt540m
  1204. # [22:41] <marten> andrewjbaker: 8gigs ram, barely half of it is in use
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  1207. # [22:42] <David_Bradbury> Well, my guess would be that it is an issue with the graphics card - Ubuntu can act funny with the Nvidia drivers sometimes
  1208. # [22:42] <David_Bradbury> And by the graphics card
  1209. # [22:42] <David_Bradbury> I mean the driver
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  1211. # [22:43] <marten> yeah, i know David_Bradbury the nvidia driver sucks on linux :(
  1212. # [22:43] <andrewjbaker> marten, given what David_Bradbury has said, you might wanna' try switching to software rendering on Firefox using Mesa3D.
  1213. # [22:43] <marten> wish i knew before i bought this laptop
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  1215. # [22:43] <andrewjbaker> Just to see if that has any effect.
  1216. # [22:43] <andrewjbaker> Besides obviously being considerably more processor intensive.^^
  1217. # [22:43] <David_Bradbury> marten: I wouldn't worry about it too much - The guys who work on the Nvidia drivers for Ubuntu are usually pretty fast about fixing glitches and the like
  1218. # [22:44] <marten> David_Bradbury: they better fix dual to single screen switching soon
  1219. # [22:44] <marten> its horrible
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  1240. # [23:12] <yamahaalex37> is <a> a valid child of <li> ?
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  1244. # [23:18] <moo-_-> yamahaalex37: yes
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