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  58. # [01:41] <sunbeam> when i edit an input field with a slider, the script doesn't detect a "change"
  59. # [01:41] <sunbeam> but when i manually change the input field value, it does
  60. # [01:41] <sunbeam> any idea how come or what i should trigger?
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  92. # [03:11] <xSmurf> wow, I wanna rip whom ever wrote the CORS specs
  93. # [03:12] <xSmurf> there seems to be no way to know if a server is actually requesting HTTP auth or not
  94. # [03:12] <xSmurf> if I just pass the credentials that's great, but otherwise I get some BS error about the origin not being in Allow-Origin (which is a lie, like the cake)
  95. # [03:13] <xSmurf> not even a 401 status code somewhere
  96. # [03:13] <xSmurf> nothing
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  98. # [03:13] <xSmurf> and the body of the request is not accessible either
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  102. # [03:22] <xSmurf> ok part of it is just me, I failed to see that when using add_header nginx on returns the header on certain status codes
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  106. # [03:28] <cryptopsy> i have <img>'s in a file (thats it), but they don't get placed next to each other (it seems like theres a border around them) - is this normal?
  107. # [03:29] <cryptopsy> i'd like to put 5 square images next to each other in a row with no space between them
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  109. # [03:38] <xSmurf> cryptopsy: look at the css, img have some odd base css
  110. # [03:38] <xSmurf> use a reset or normalizer css
  111. # [03:38] <xSmurf> or make sure img { margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline-block}
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  115. # [03:44] <cryptopsy> tnx
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  118. # [03:44] <cryptopsy> margin and padding are default=0
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  120. # [03:50] <cryptopsy> xSmurf: doesn't wor
  121. # [03:51] <cryptopsy> display isn't even an attribute for img
  122. # [03:51] <xSmurf> huh whut?!
  123. # [03:51] <xSmurf> css, not attributes
  124. # [03:52] <cryptopsy> here's the image i'm using, maybe you can emulate it on your end? http://i.imgur.com/7iI2x.png
  125. # [03:52] <cryptopsy> its a 100x100px square
  126. # [03:53] <xSmurf> well inline-block is default for img anyway
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  128. # [03:53] <xSmurf> so you might have something else overwriting it
  129. # [03:53] <xSmurf> or overwriting the width
  130. # [03:53] <xSmurf> cause it works just as expected http://jsfiddle.net/pmLTd/
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  133. # [03:57] <cryptopsy> xSmurf: im using webkit, maybe its different
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  135. # [03:57] <xSmurf> so am I
  136. # [03:57] <xSmurf> did you see the fiddle?
  137. # [03:57] <xSmurf> what did it look like in there?!
  138. # [03:58] <cryptopsy> the images aren't loading but there's no spaces between them
  139. # [03:58] <cryptopsy> i see little squares with ? in them
  140. # [03:59] <xSmurf> well that's an issue on your end budyd
  141. # [03:59] <xSmurf> the link is the one you gave me
  142. # [03:59] <xSmurf> and it loads fin
  143. # [03:59] <xSmurf> e
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  148. # [04:07] <cryptopsy> n
  149. # [04:07] <cryptopsy> html have to be compliant with webkit-gtk
  150. # [04:07] <cryptopsy> the simulator is wrong
  151. # [04:08] <cryptopsy> btw, ive never had problems with images on any public website
  152. # [04:12] <xSmurf> it's not a simulator man
  153. # [04:12] <xSmurf> it renders in the DOM
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  155. # [04:12] <cryptopsy> u wan c example that werkz?
  156. # [04:13] <xSmurf> the result is an iframe
  157. # [04:13] <cryptopsy> http://moock.org/blog/imagegrid/imagegrid.html displays correctly in my end
  158. # [04:13] <xSmurf> well the fiddle works too
  159. # [04:13] <xSmurf> so it'd be more useful if you had an example that DIDN'T
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  161. # [04:15] <cryptopsy> the one we tried didn't
  162. # [04:15] <xSmurf> yes it does
  163. # [04:16] <xSmurf> http://fiddle.jshell.net/pmLTd/4/show/
  164. # [04:16] <cryptopsy> that last example worked locally
  165. # [04:16] <xSmurf> look at the source
  166. # [04:17] <xSmurf> I can't make a simpler example
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  168. # [04:19] <cryptopsy> hey
  169. # [04:19] <cryptopsy> something is really fucked here
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  171. # [04:19] <cryptopsy> this code
  172. # [04:19] <cryptopsy> http://i.imgur.com/819vb.jpg
  173. # [04:20] <cryptopsy> produces this:
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  175. # [04:20] <cryptopsy> http://i.imgur.com/5wB9C.jpg
  176. # [04:20] <rking> cryptopsy: In the first one you have a space between the > and the < of the first pair of images.
  177. # [04:20] <rking> That gap is expected.
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  179. # [04:21] <cryptopsy> is there css to stop it from doing that?
  180. # [04:22] <rking> Good question, but I doubt it.
  181. # [04:22] <rking> I can't imagine there being CSS to stop the rendering of space beween "foo bar", so I don't see why it would be different for "<img/> <img/>"
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  219. # [05:35] <mgeary> hi folks
  220. # [05:35] <xSmurf> anyone knows of an issue with XMLHTTPRequest discarding username/password set on xhr.open?? If I set he Authorization header manually it works
  221. # [05:35] <xSmurf> maybe cause the OPTION request doesn't return WWW-Authenticate?!
  222. # [05:36] <mgeary> i am going crazy over a canvas/image cross-domain "taint" issue. I've found a lot of web pages that touch on it, but nothing that has gotten me where i need to be. Has anyone here dealt with this? Specifically trying to get pixel data from an image that has been loaded from a foreign (but friendly) domain?
  223. # [05:37] <xSmurf> I thought you could get the src of an image as data with the BlobBuilder or something like that
  224. # [05:38] <xSmurf> yeah
  225. # [05:38] <mgeary> xSmurf: BlobBuilder? got a link with more details?
  226. # [05:38] <xSmurf> canvas.drawImage(img) then canvas.toDataUrl()
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  228. # [05:39] <xSmurf> https://gist.github.com/960542
  229. # [05:39] <mgeary> well, what i specifically need is getPixelData
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  231. # [05:39] <mgeary> i am doing some pixel ops based on the color of the pixels
  232. # [05:39] <xSmurf> getImageData I believe is what you wan
  233. # [05:40] <xSmurf> but should be the same behavior
  234. # [05:40] <xSmurf> just replace getDataUrl with getImageData (with the proper params)
  235. # [05:40] <mgeary> sorry, yeah
  236. # [05:41] <mgeary> hmm. that link actually works? i don't see anything there at gets around the security blocks
  237. # [05:42] <xSmurf> img.src shouldn't complain about same origin policys
  238. # [05:43] <mgeary> no, it doesn't, but when you then draw that image to a canvas, you can't generally get imageData on it
  239. # [05:43] <mgeary> trying that code as-is
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  242. # [05:44] <mgeary> yeah. sure enough. I get the error
  243. # [05:44] <xSmurf> what's the error?
  244. # [05:45] <mgeary> Safari says, "SECURITY_ERR: DOM Exception 18: An attempt was made to break through the security policy of the user agent."
  245. # [05:45] <mgeary> Firefox says, "SecurityError: The operation is insecure."
  246. # [05:45] <mgeary> Chroms says "Uncaught Error: SECURITY_ERR: DOM Exception 18 "
  247. # [05:46] <mgeary> that's taking that code verbatim from that link and sticking it onto my server with a test image from another domain
  248. # [05:46] <xSmurf> I see
  249. # [05:46] <xSmurf> wow I'm not surprised they fixed that hole, though I didn't think they had
  250. # [05:46] <xSmurf> stupid same origin
  251. # [05:46] <mgeary> and i can confirm that the image is being delivered with the "Access-Control-Allow-Origin:*" header
  252. # [05:46] <mgeary> so it SHOULD work :S
  253. # [05:46] <xSmurf> and it works when from the same origin?!
  254. # [05:46] <mgeary> if i understand CORS at all (which i don't, really)
  255. # [05:47] <mgeary> yes. but i'll test again
  256. # [05:47] <xSmurf> (just checking all possibilities you know)
  257. # [05:47] <xSmurf> yeah I'm in the middle of it too
  258. # [05:47] <mgeary> yep. works like a charm
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  261. # [05:47] <mgeary> driving me freakin' crazy
  262. # [05:47] <xSmurf> Access-Control-Allow-Origin should be enough, but I'm not sure if it applies to resources that are already loaded
  263. # [05:47] <xSmurf> try making an XHR request for the img instead
  264. # [05:47] <mgeary> right. i think that's the right path to go down
  265. # [05:48] <xSmurf> set the responseType to "blob" or "arraybuffer" depending on what you need
  266. # [05:48] <mgeary> but i don't know how to make that request and NOT get text data back
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  268. # [05:48] <xSmurf> responseType is your friend :)
  269. # [05:48] <mgeary> googling that
  270. # [05:48] <xSmurf> jQuery doesn't support it yet :/
  271. # [05:48] <mgeary> my original code isn't using jquery currently
  272. # [05:48] <xSmurf> let me paste that for you ;)
  273. # [05:49] <mgeary> that'd be awesome
  274. # [05:49] <xSmurf> give me a sec
  275. # [05:50] <xSmurf> http://pastie.org/private/13ha5e3xrcpdni6p0tvaa
  276. # [05:51] <xSmurf> I should have just typed it ;/ I had more saniization to do than it was worth :p
  277. # [05:51] <xSmurf> I had that code opened as we talk hehe :)
  278. # [05:51] <mgeary> heh
  279. # [05:52] <mgeary> so how do i then use the responseType as canvas fodder?
  280. # [05:52] <xSmurf> the important bit is xhr.responseType
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  282. # [05:52] <mgeary> canvas.draw(response)...
  283. # [05:52] <xSmurf> I'm not sure which one but canvas take arraybuffers or blobs as data someone
  284. # [05:52] <mgeary> and is it still xhr.responseText ?
  285. # [05:52] <xSmurf> (I don't play with canvas really)
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  287. # [05:53] <xSmurf> no, use this.response
  288. # [05:53] <JonathanNeal> What are the pros and cons of dropping the <ul> and </li> in an HTML structure like <nav><a href="1">1</a><a href="2">2</a><a href="3">3</a></nav>?
  289. # [05:53] <xSmurf> I sanitized too much apparently :P
  290. # [05:53] <xSmurf> JonathanNeal: backwards compatbility?!
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  292. # [05:54] <tw2113> i see no real difference JonathanNeal
  293. # [05:54] <tw2113> one is done in a list, one is done in a bunch of anchor links
  294. # [05:55] <JonathanNeal> semantically, I think they mean the same thing, especially when the nav has no other forms to content.
  295. # [05:55] <JonathanNeal> But I really appreciate outside perspective.
  296. # [05:56] <tw2113> i don't even see much difference for semantics
  297. # [05:56] <tw2113> except for those who firmly believe navigation is a list of links
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  302. # [05:58] <mgeary> xSmurf: still trying to figure out how to pass an arraybuffer to a canvas....
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  305. # [06:07] <JonathanNeal> VoiceOver has a superior experience without <ul> and <li>
  306. # [06:08] <xSmurf> mgeary: waitup
  307. # [06:08] <xSmurf> JonathanNeal: nice good to know!
  308. # [06:09] <mgeary> well, it appears i can convert the array buffer to base64-encoded image data, but that just seems awful
  309. # [06:09] <mgeary> might be my only option, though
  310. # [06:09] <xSmurf> mgeary: this is where you parked you car http://pastie.org/private/ztnu3fvk5puzmev8iznlig
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  315. # [06:10] <xSmurf> but honestly there has to be a better way
  316. # [06:10] <mgeary> wth
  317. # [06:11] <mgeary> well, i found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8022425/getting-blob-data-from-xhr-request
  318. # [06:11] <mgeary> what's going on in that link you sent?
  319. # [06:11] <mgeary> saving it to local storage and then retrieving it?
  320. # [06:13] <xSmurf> yep
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  322. # [06:13] <xSmurf> that post is misleading
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  324. # [06:13] <xSmurf> xhr can take "blob" as responseType
  325. # [06:14] <mgeary> and then..?
  326. # [06:14] <mgeary> sorry. being dense
  327. # [06:14] <mgeary> that base64 approach does seem to work...
  328. # [06:15] <xSmurf> mgeary: btw maybe this is of interest to you "If the canvas element's origin-clean flag is set to false, throw a SecurityError exception and abort these steps."
  329. # [06:16] <mgeary> ?
  330. # [06:16] <JonathanNeal> With a basic example of a page with a <title>, an <h1>, <nav> (with three <a> links), and a <p> of text, VoiceOver reads...
  331. # [06:16] <xSmurf> and yes, it appears that the canvas object does not have a fromBlob method, only toBlob
  332. # [06:16] <JonathanNeal> "<title/> HTML content. Heading level 1 <h1/>. List 3 items. Link <a/>. link <a/>. link <a/>. <p/>." where each <x> would be the innerHTML of that element.
  333. # [06:17] <JonathanNeal> That's with the <ul> and <li> though. Without it, it's all the same except "List 3 items" isn't read.
  334. # [06:17] <xSmurf> mgeary: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#security-with-canvas-elements
  335. # [06:17] <tw2113> good to know there is real difference used JonathanNeal
  336. # [06:17] <mgeary> xSmurf: i can confirm i am now getting pixel data from a remote image
  337. # [06:18] <mgeary> using the b64 approach
  338. # [06:18] <tw2113> especially in accessibility stuff
  339. # [06:18] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: you mean there isn't a real difference?
  340. # [06:18] <xSmurf> mgeary: using which method?
  341. # [06:18] <mgeary> lemme pastebin
  342. # [06:18] <tw2113> well, if some VoiceOver is reading "list 3 items" or so, and not something similar with just anchor links
  343. # [06:18] <tw2113> that would be a difference
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  346. # [06:19] <mgeary> xSmurf: http://pastebin.com/fpSCKkVb
  347. # [06:19] <mgeary> the url has been changed, since it's a local DNS entry anyways
  348. # [06:20] <JonathanNeal> Yea, the difference is that it says "List 3 items", but I'm not sure if that's much of a difference.
  349. # [06:21] <JonathanNeal> But at least we know. I'm checking with and without <ul><li> in accessibility checkers now. A-Checker gives no warnings or errors.
  350. # [06:22] <JonathanNeal> WAVE detects no errors without them either.
  351. # [06:22] <tw2113> woo accessibility
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  353. # [06:24] <JonathanNeal> hahahaha, etre says I have an error.
  354. # [06:24] <JonathanNeal> I used <!doctype html> instead of <!DOCTYPE html>
  355. # [06:25] <JonathanNeal> And immediately after they tell me this, they tell me I could be sued.
  356. # [06:25] <xSmurf> mgeary: check out window.URL.createObjectURL
  357. # [06:25] <JonathanNeal> They tell me I should speak with a Etre accessibility expert.
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  361. # [06:30] <JonathanNeal> "Cynthia Says" says I'm good for accessibility.
  362. # [06:32] <Nautilus> I've found this 'tip' about include files for html5: <object name="foo" type="text/html" data="foo.inc"/> ... is that something that is a good practice? Or is it a hacky thing?
  363. # [06:32] <tw2113> JonathanNeal, it should appreciate the time that you took out of your busy schedule to type "<!doctype html>"
  364. # [06:32] <tw2113> capitalized or not
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  367. # [06:40] <JonathanNeal> SortSite does a much more hardcore evaluation.
  368. # [06:41] <JonathanNeal> They get upset with me for having no copyright or privacy policy statement, they want me to have a link to the sitemap on every page as well as search, an xml sitemap, and they'd like to see some print css.
  369. # [06:41] <mgeary> xSmurf: success in the wild!
  370. # [06:42] <mgeary> whew
  371. # [06:42] <xSmurf> nice
  372. # [06:42] <mgeary> thanks for your help
  373. # [06:42] <mgeary> of course, this approach now appears to not benefit from any caching
  374. # [06:42] <mgeary> know of a way to influence that? also, i haven't yet checked out that createObjectURL. what's the quick benefit?
  375. # [06:43] <Nautilus> anyone with feedback for my Q above? New to HTML5 and I don't know if that's so good it's an idiom, and I just go with it, or if it's hacky.
  376. # [06:44] <mgeary> Nautilus: i do that frequently in complex web apps
  377. # [06:45] <mgeary> set arbitrary attributes that i can then query later
  378. # [06:45] <mgeary> fwiw, ymmv
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  383. # [06:56] <Nautilus> mgeary: ok. next Q... does that have server-side dependency or does it happen in the browser?
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  385. # [06:57] <mgeary> nothing would happen in the browser automatically. I've never actually done what you're proposing, as far as trying to "fill" a container with an include like that
  386. # [06:57] <mgeary> what i *have* done is create arbitrary attributes that hold useful info for javascript parsing later
  387. # [06:58] <JonathanNeal> WebThing reports "Element header is bogus. Element nav is bogus. Element footer is bogus."
  388. # [06:58] <mgeary> i suppose you could do something like what you're proposing, and then use jquery to pull that data attribute and hit that URI on the server, and replace the contents of your node with the result from the server, but i can't think why you'd want to do that
  389. # [06:58] <JonathanNeal> Methinks WebThing is bogus.
  390. # [06:58] <Nautilus> i am pondering how it works. browser calls an html file, the html file has an object file... browser then calls that file in?
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  392. # [06:59] <mgeary> it wouldn't automatically. And i don't know why you wouldn't just insert that data on the server before sending the response
  393. # [06:59] <Nautilus> there is no server ;)
  394. # [07:00] <mgeary> well, that's your first problem ;)
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  396. # [07:00] <mgeary> but yes, you could set up something like what i described above. do a $(your_div).load("data.inc")
  397. # [07:00] <Nautilus> It's jusy a local file
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  399. # [07:01] <Nautilus> yea i can do it with JS but I'm reading the html5 stuff and it seems like it would work. aveat: I'm new to html5.
  400. # [07:01] <Nautilus> caveat*
  401. # [07:01] <mgeary> you'd still need JS
  402. # [07:01] <mgeary> afaik
  403. # [07:02] <Nautilus> sounds like something for me to try/test
  404. # [07:05] <Nautilus> thanks for the info :)
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  419. # [07:32] <Nautilus> mgeary: Darn it. Almost works. In my (fairly current) Firefox, sure enough it included the file, but it didn't return to the calling html file :(
  420. # [07:32] <mgeary> huh
  421. # [07:32] <Nautilus> yea, might need to look at it some more
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  423. # [07:36] <Nautilus> looks like js will be a better plan for this task
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  438. # [08:04] <Nautilus> mgeary: if you have include code that's returning to the caller, I'd like to see it
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  440. # [08:04] <mgeary> how do you mean?
  441. # [08:04] <mgeary> ah
  442. # [08:05] <mgeary> are you familiar with Jquery?
  443. # [08:05] <Nautilus> i meant html5 side
  444. # [08:05] <mgeary> i don't know anything about includes via html5. Only server side and things like jquery.load()
  445. # [08:06] <Nautilus> ok, thanks :) I'mjust seeing what I can get it to do on it's own
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