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  16. # [00:30] <zettam> http://pastebin.com/0viMpRWT --- Hello channel. I have this "inf-trackbutton-text" element (which is the descriptive text for the "inf-trackbutton"). I need it to fade in from display:none. The CSS code that I'm using is in the pastebin, can anyone tell me what's wrong here, please ? Right now it does not fade in but instantly appears...
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  18. # [00:32] <Moo^_^> zettam: can you create a test case in jsfiddle.net
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  20. # [00:33] <zettam> sure, one sec Moo^_^
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  23. # [00:40] <zettam> Moo^_^: I'm about to send you the jsfiddle
  24. # [00:41] <zettam> one more minute
  25. # [00:41] <zettam> Clearing up the useless stuff
  26. # [00:42] <zettam> Moo^_^: http://jsfiddle.net/zettam/AQcYB/4/
  27. # [00:42] <zettam> here is the code, you can have a look
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  30. # [00:46] <Moo^_^> zettam: I see it
  31. # [00:48] <zettam> Do you have any sort of solution for something like that ?
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  33. # [00:48] <zettam> the reason I'm making the display:none is that otherwise the description text" is still clickable
  34. # [00:48] <zettam> which is not what I really want as you can see
  35. # [00:48] <zettam> Moo^_^:
  36. # [00:49] <Moo^_^> zettam: got it working http://jsfiddle.net/AQcYB/7/
  37. # [00:49] <Moo^_^> no idea how
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  39. # [00:49] <Moo^_^> zettam: you probably can't animate opacity if the source is display: none
  40. # [00:50] <Moo^_^> you need ot animate width or height
  41. # [00:52] <zettam> hmmm
  42. # [00:52] <zettam> Moo^_^: ok thank you very much
  43. # [00:52] <zettam> I guess I've found another solution
  44. # [00:52] <zettam> not a direct solution but a workaround, that will solve the problem in my case:
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  46. # [00:52] <zettam> pointer-events: none;
  47. # [00:52] <zettam>  cursor: default;
  48. # [00:52] <zettam> I apply these to the "text" element
  49. # [00:52] <zettam> and animate the opecity from 0 to 1
  50. # [00:52] <zettam> without using the "display: none;"
  51. # [00:53] <zettam> That solves the problem... Well, seemingly solves at least.
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  56. # [00:57] <aramis> Hi, is it possible to write html5 + css3 code (only, w/o js), and make a page like a frameset? Where a menu offers some links, and those are open into the "main" frame?
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  67. # [01:12] <Odra> aramis: Use frames.
  68. # [01:12] <Odra> Nobody likes frames but if you want frames use frames.
  69. # [01:13] <Odra> Though, what you should actually use are those inpage anchors
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  76. # [01:25] <aramis> i'm not willing to use frames. I want the same result, but whithout them.
  77. # [01:25] <aramis> using js i achieved my goal, but now i'm trying to get rid of js.
  78. # [01:25] <aramis> anyone knows if it is possible?
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  83. # [01:36] <dahlfors> your options are frames, iframes or using js for adding content into some element
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  89. # [01:45] <zettam> Channel, when I right align any span, the text inside is not "fully" right aligned. There is always like one "character" emptiness when there is letter spacing. How can I solve this issue ?
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  91. # [01:47] <dahlfors> that is the behaviour of inline elements that you are seeing most likely
  92. # [01:47] <dahlfors> display: inline-block; or display: block; will change that behaviour
  93. # [01:47] <dahlfors> but, will change a few other things as well
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  99. # [01:52] <zettam> dahlfors: http://jsfiddle.net/zettam/Z3XyP/1/ here is a link, maybe you can check this... it's already "block"
  100. # [01:52] <dahlfors> that is your letter spacing
  101. # [01:53] <dahlfors> set letter-spacing to 0 and it disappears
  102. # [01:53] <zettam> yes but when it is aligned to the left there is no leter spacing gap
  103. # [01:53] <zettam> I want to use letter-spacing, that's why I'm asking.
  104. # [01:53] <dahlfors> no, since letter-spacing is aligned after the character, not before
  105. # [01:53] <zettam> Hmm, how can I "solve" this issue
  106. # [01:54] <zettam> I need the spacing, but alignment is also as important as that in my case
  107. # [01:54] <dahlfors> then you need to use some kind of wrapper element
  108. # [01:55] <dahlfors> or depends on where you need it
  109. # [01:55] <zettam> Hmm, like how
  110. # [01:56] <dahlfors> you will want to hide the overflow in the wrapping element
  111. # [01:57] <zettam> how will I do that dahlfors
  112. # [01:58] <dahlfors> zettam: http://jsfiddle.net/XbCDF/
  113. # [01:58] <dahlfors> overflow: hidden; and negative margin-right
  114. # [01:58] <zettam> dahlfors: with margin.. Thanks! Someone else in another channel just gave a similar reply
  115. # [01:59] <dahlfors> older versions of ie might be cranky about negative margins and might want to interpret differently, so if support there is important, you might want to check so it works
  116. # [01:59] <zettam> I thought ther could be a way of getting the content only
  117. # [01:59] <zettam> without empty space I mean
  118. # [02:00] <dahlfors> the letter-spacing happens in the text-rendering engine where you can't affect it through css directly. you'll need a workaround like this
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  152. # [03:14] <aramis> dahlfors: ok, understood. Thanks!
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  189. # [04:09] <lessthanzero> anyone know any decent reasons not to use <header> <section> and some of the other simple elements?
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  191. # [04:11] <lessthanzero> should I just google random spam articles?
  192. # [04:12] <asher^> any decent reason to use divs instead of headers and sections?
  193. # [04:12] <bluej774> When using context.drawImage and scaling the image up from its native dimensions, my images end up fuzzy. Is there a way I can change the scaling algorithm used?
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  196. # [04:15] <lessthanzero> asher^: heh, yeah I guess. I have this odd fear of html5, and I tend not to see it used much. so I tend not to implement html5 (as I should)
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  198. # [04:16] <lessthanzero> I couldn't think of any reasons not to but maybe someone had a legit reason ;)
  199. # [04:16] <lessthanzero> for certain circumstances.
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  419. # [10:26] <benjick> Hello. Voice chat in HTML5, is it doable?
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  424. # [10:31] <Moo^_^> benjick: webrtc
  425. # [10:31] <Moo^_^> webrtc.org
  426. # [10:32] <benjick> Cheers
  427. # [10:32] <Moo^_^> browser support is on its way
  428. # [10:32] <benjick> Oh, okay
  429. # [10:32] <benjick> Any est yet?
  430. # [10:32] <benjick> Or it's done when it's done?
  431. # [10:32] <Moo^_^> google chrome works
  432. # [10:32] <Moo^_^> FF "soon"
  433. # [10:32] <benjick> Ah, good enough
  434. # [10:32] <benjick> Did you try it?
  435. # [10:33] <Moo^_^> unfortunately not had a chance to play with webrtc ever
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  437. # [10:34] <benjick> Okay, cool
  438. # [10:34] <benjick> Thanks for the tip
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  637. # [15:55] <retrostyle|15> anyone know a secure way so store user credentials on a mobile client?
  638. # [15:55] <Moo^_^> retrostyle|15: secure as in?
  639. # [15:55] <Moo^_^> anything you write on the file system is user readable
  640. # [15:56] <Moo^_^> it is not your apps problem to protect the phone from accessing it unencrypted. It's mobile OS problem.
  641. # [15:56] <Moo^_^> but storing passwords in plain text is bad
  642. # [15:56] <Moo^_^> create a session cookie and store it
  643. # [15:57] <retrostyle|15> i have read that sessionstorage is ok
  644. # [15:57] <retrostyle|15> and than i would crypt it with hash and salt
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  648. # [15:58] <retrostyle|15> the first login i crypt it with hash and an salt and at backend i would like to check it and send an success code back
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  651. # [15:59] <Agamemnus> Who needs a job?
  652. # [15:59] <ryan_tait> 2Ru2eqaZ
  653. # [15:59] <Moo^_^> Agamemnus: where?
  654. # [15:59] <ryan_tait> is the magic number
  655. # [16:00] <Agamemnus> It's a salaried-job working online, with a minimum hours commitment of 100 hours. PHP/Javascript, and you'll need to work with frameworks occasionally. The compensation is decent, for US-based programmers.
  656. # [16:00] <Agamemnus> I'm not hiring; an associate of mine is.
  657. # [16:01] <Agamemnus> I can get the initial conversation if someone is interested.
  658. # [16:01] <asher^> 100 hours total? sounds like contract work rather than a job
  659. # [16:01] <Moo^_^> Agamemnus: PHP - I'd rather go to farm turtles in Thailand
  660. # [16:01] <Agamemnus> no, it's 100 hours minimum. She said she won't work people to death but I'm leery of it.
  661. # [16:02] <Agamemnus> per month.
  662. # [16:02] <Agamemnus> I mean.
  663. # [16:02] <asher^> oh, ok
  664. # [16:02] <Agamemnus> oh, it could be Ruby on Rails too.
  665. # [16:02] <asher^> out of curiosity, whats it pay?
  666. # [16:02] <Agamemnus> Well, she was willing to hire me, and I charge $50 an hour. You'll have to negotiate that with her.
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  668. # [16:03] <Agamemnus> She's very demanding though, and I can't commit even 100 hours much less crunch-time-hours so that's why I declined
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  671. # [16:04] <Agamemnus> ok, well, it's not exactly 100 hours minimum I guess, I lied
  672. # [16:04] <Agamemnus> It's 100 hours of compensation a month.
  673. # [16:04] <Agamemnus> Sometimes the work is less and sometimes it is more, but it averages out, she says.
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  675. # [16:05] <Agamemnus> But again, I can't work like that, but someone might.
  676. # [16:05] <asher^> heh
  677. # [16:05] <Agamemnus> she has 23 people on her staff and they all work like this
  678. # [16:05] <asher^> i wonder what the odds are that the first month will be more than 100 hours...
  679. # [16:06] <Agamemnus> No idea, really.
  680. # [16:06] <Agamemnus> I worked with her on a contract-project but I couldn't tell you still.
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  682. # [16:06] <Agamemnus> I would tend to trust her but still can't work on that basis.
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  703. # [16:36] <todd_dsm> hey guys, I'm (a newb) experimenting with @font-face and 4 fonts; 2 fonts work and 2 won't : http://pastebin.com/hRHZAmzr
  704. # [16:36] <todd_dsm> the css validator found a few errors but not having to do with fonts so now I'm confused. Can someone help with a sanity check?
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  706. # [16:36] <todd_dsm> sorry it this message is duplicated, still wrastling with my IRC client.
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  708. # [16:39] <yousaf> hi all
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  712. # [16:42] <yousaf> Is <header> being used in the proper context here? http://pastebin.com/4j0TN60u
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  751. # [17:23] <dooduh_> whaz the differenz between the GET and POST Method in the FORM tag
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  753. # [17:26] <dooduh_> whaz the differenz between the GET and POST Method in the FORM tag?????
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  781. # [17:55] <LumberCartel> I just upgraded Opera and their list of new features included a link to this HTML5 demonstration that uses WebSockets -- users can control a kitten and see other kittens: http://hungry-kittens.jit.su/
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  825. # [18:51] <zettam> Hello channel
  826. # [18:52] <zettam> I'm trying to create a fade-out to white, here is my script: http://jsfiddle.net/zettam/pUVkA/11/
  827. # [18:52] <zettam> as you can see, it never fades out to white
  828. # [18:52] <zettam> always stays at gray
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  830. # [18:54] <zettam> Hello channel, I'm trying to create a fade-out effect with canvas. Here is my approach http://jsfiddle.net/zettam/pUVkA/14/ ---- as you can see it never fades out to fully white but always stucks at some point -- do you have any idea on why this might be happening ?
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  914. # [19:49] <zettam> can anyone help me out with this case please ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13349623/canvas-fade-out-case
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  974. # [20:42] <zettam> can anyone help me out with this case please ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13349623/canvas-fade-out-case
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  1038. # [21:51] <Moo^_^> andrew91841: flowplayer is pretty popular
  1039. # [21:51] <Moo^_^> and GPL'ed
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  1067. # [22:26] <Extreminador> guys theoricaly the a cube movement with canvas is the coordinate movement beetween the draw lines correct ?
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  1109. # [23:28] <chee> anyone any stats on what's the least likely kinda thing to have javascript enabled?
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  1111. # [23:29] <chee> it doesn't seem right to be handing these folks "img/picture-small.jpg" just 'cause they be <noscriptin'>
  1112. # [23:29] <chee> paul_irish: ^?
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