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  80. # [00:51] <dpeach27> hi all
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  85. # [00:54] <dpeach27> is it okay to go ahead and use the <main> element now? (with shim of course)
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  110. # [01:12] <the_grugman> Hi. What would be the appropriate element to use for a user-specific info/control panel to be shown atop a sidebar?
  111. # [01:12] <the_grugman> It's can't be <header>, since it's not indicative of what's inside the rest of the block.
  112. # [01:12] <the_grugman> So what is it? DIV?
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  116. # [01:16] <the_grugman> Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp.
  117. # [01:16] <the_grugman> I'm stuck on semantics island.
  118. # [01:16] <the_grugman> Who's going to be my hero?
  119. # [01:16] <tw2113> divs are just fine and still valid
  120. # [01:17] <the_grugman> yeah
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  122. # [01:17] <the_grugman> but is that the correct element for the purpose i just mentioned
  123. # [01:17] <scottkellum> +1 div
  124. # [01:19] <tw2113> if the spec defined semantic tags don't fit
  125. # [01:19] <tw2113> then there is not "right" one
  126. # [01:19] <tw2113> so you go with the generic div
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  129. # [01:20] <the_grugman> Well
  130. # [01:21] <the_grugman> there's a standard and I'm trying to adhere to it
  131. # [01:21] <the_grugman> So what do you say about:
  132. # [01:21] <the_grugman> <aside><div id="user panel here">...</div><nav><ul><li>item 1 and so forth</li></ul></nav>
  133. # [01:21] <the_grugman> Good?
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  135. # [01:21] <the_grugman> Get me off this island.
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  137. # [01:22] <tw2113> looks fine to me
  138. # [01:22] <the_grugman> I'm gonna piss my pantaloons.
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  141. # [01:23] <scottkellum> Yeah its totally fine. no need to worry. Also, you shouldn’t have spaces in your ID
  142. # [01:23] <the_grugman> Yeah that was just an indication
  143. # [01:23] <the_grugman> nothing I'd put in the actual code
  144. # [01:23] <the_grugman> anyway, thanks guys
  145. # [01:23] <the_grugman> oh, and one more thing
  146. # [01:23] <scottkellum> I am happy you care about semantics but you shouldn’t worry about them.
  147. # [01:23] <the_grugman> I was never actually on an island. I'm well and at home.
  148. # [01:23] <the_grugman> Bwahaha. Suckers.
  149. # [01:23] <the_grugman> scottkellum: Why not? It's good to strive for perfection. No reason not too.
  150. # [01:23] <the_grugman> It helps sharpen one's skills IMO.
  151. # [01:24] <the_grugman> not to*
  152. # [01:24] <tw2113> i think spaces in your IDs invalidates them
  153. # [01:25] <the_grugman> Again, that was just me showing you what the DIV was about. Nothing that has anything to do with my code.
  154. # [01:25] <the_grugman> But yes you are right. :)
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  156. # [01:27] <scottkellum> the_grugman: If you want to worry I guess thats your right but it tends to get in the way of getting things done. Not saying I don’t care, but code isn’t written in stone.
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  158. # [01:28] <the_grugman> scottkellum: Well, that's a personal judgement call. I'd never tell someone not to care about semantics
  159. # [01:28] <the_grugman> but in this case, it's also especially importnat
  160. # [01:28] <the_grugman> important*
  161. # [01:28] <the_grugman> because it's a job test :)
  162. # [01:29] <tw2113> if you spend 30 minutes deciding if <aside> is correct for something, you're spending too much time on the topic
  163. # [01:29] <the_grugman> I disagree. I only need to learn it once, and it saves me the potential risk of someone scrutinizing my code.
  164. # [01:29] <the_grugman> And effectively it only takes me a couple of minutes to get on here and ask.
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  166. # [01:30] <the_grugman> Multitasking b*ch. Learn it.
  167. # [01:30] <the_grugman> Just kidding. Appreciate the help. :)
  168. # [01:30] <the_grugman> (really, you guys and gals are great: :) )
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  171. # [01:31] <tw2113> you'll always have someone scrutenizing
  172. # [01:31] <tw2113> comes with the territory
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  174. # [01:35] <the_grugman> Yeah but no reason not to avoid it.
  175. # [01:36] * Joefish is now known as Joefish]off
  176. # [01:36] <the_grugman> Also, gotta say, love your name frankstallone.
  177. # [01:36] <the_grugman> Best IRC username thus far in my years of using IRC.
  178. # [01:36] <the_grugman> Congrats.
  179. # [01:36] <the_grugman> Anyway, see ya.
  180. # [01:36] <the_grugman> and thanks again
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  214. # [02:03] <frankstallone> sad part is it really is my name
  215. # [02:03] <frankstallone> lol
  216. # [02:03] <frankstallone> that is quite a compliment. =)
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  256. # [02:51] <ajbeaven> why does the current version of modernizr work like this:
  257. # [02:51] <ajbeaven> $(function () { Modernizr.load([ { test: Modernizr.json, nope: ['js/vendor/polyfills/json3.js'], complete: function() { alert('fires 2nd')); } }, { complete: function () { alert('fires 1st')); } } ]); });
  258. # [02:51] <ajbeaven> damn....
  259. # [02:52] <ajbeaven> the complete() callback on Modernizr.Load is called before individual complete() callbacks on each loaded script
  260. # [02:53] <ajbeaven> I think this is perhaps screwing up my json3 polyfill on ie7
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  262. # [02:55] <rupl> ajbeaven: why not use callback and put your complete on the same load?
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  264. # [02:57] <rupl> ajbeaven: put your "fires 2nd" into callback and then move your "fires 1st" into complete on the same test object
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  268. # [02:58] <ajbeaven> I guess my question is more asking why they are called in this order
  269. # [02:58] <ajbeaven> the code was just showing what happens
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  271. # [02:59] <rupl> ajbeaven: I'm not sure why it's malfunctioning, but you're right in assuming that they execute in order. I'd give the callback/complete thing a try
  272. # [02:59] <ajbeaven> in reality I have multiple polyfill scripts being loaded and need to call app.init() or something like it when they have finished loaded. I thought this was what the callback on modernizr.load was supposed to do
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  274. # [02:59] <ajbeaven> so that solution doesn't work
  275. # [03:00] <ajbeaven> but yeah, I can work around it, I just wonder if it's a bug
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  277. # [03:01] <rupl> ajbeaven: you are only using complete in your example code
  278. # [03:01] <rupl> not callback
  279. # [03:01] <ajbeaven> especially confusing as this doesn't happen in Modernizr 2.0.6
  280. # [03:01] <rupl> also you don't need a closure around Modernizr.load
  281. # [03:01] <ajbeaven> complete is the callback function?
  282. # [03:02] <rupl> unless your callbacks depend on whatever $ is, which could potentially slow things down a bunch if you wait til it inits
  283. # [03:02] <rupl> ajbeaven: there are two ways of invoking code when assets load via yepnope: http://yepnopejs.com/#testObject
  284. # [03:02] <rupl> callback and complete do diff things
  285. # [03:03] <rupl> callback gets fired each time an asset arrives, complete executes after *everything* arrives
  286. # [03:03] <rupl> plus callback can be an array of the same length as your yep/nope arrays
  287. # [03:03] <rupl> complete can be only one function
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  289. # [03:03] <ajbeaven> how do you mean "complete can be only one function"?
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  292. # [03:04] <ajbeaven> can you not have different complete functions run after individual scripts are completed
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  294. # [03:05] <ajbeaven> this doesn't seem to be the case: "callback gets fired each time an asset arrives, complete executes after *everything* arrives"
  295. # [03:05] <rupl> ajbeaven: yes, you absolutely can, and the specific word which would do that is not the word "complete", that word is "callback"
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  297. # [03:06] <ajbeaven> sorry lets go back a step, I think we're confusing semantics
  298. # [03:07] <rupl> I'm not :)
  299. # [03:07] <ajbeaven> haha
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  301. # [03:07] <rupl> so check out the docs I linked above
  302. # [03:07] <ajbeaven> so there are two callbacks available, "callback" and "complete"
  303. # [03:07] <rupl> if you look at the anatomy of a test object, there are the following options: yep, nope, load, both, callback, complete
  304. # [03:07] <rupl> there's six total
  305. # [03:07] <ajbeaven> yeah, unimportant
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  307. # [03:08] <ajbeaven> so can you explain why the complete functions are called in that order I specified?
  308. # [03:08] <rupl> no I can't, except that perhaps your code is faulty in a very minor way
  309. # [03:08] <ajbeaven> I have a testcase if you want to take a look
  310. # [03:09] <ajbeaven> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3389877/testcase.zip
  311. # [03:09] <ajbeaven> just open up index.html
  312. # [03:09] <ajbeaven> and download the keylogger (kidding)
  313. # [03:11] <rupl> ajbeaven: better idea :) https://gist.github.com/rupl/5417438
  314. # [03:11] <rupl> I have retained the alerts that you used in your example
  315. # [03:12] <rupl> to demo how the code should be shifted around
  316. # [03:12] <rupl> check the original revision to see your code untouched
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  318. # [03:13] <rupl> ajbeaven: ok I just updated it again I accidentally a line of code
  319. # [03:14] <ajbeaven> sorry we're still on the wrong page. I have a function I want to run after everything from modernizr has been loaded
  320. # [03:14] <ajbeaven> where do I put that?
  321. # [03:15] <ajbeaven> keep in mind that my example is only showing one test, but I have multiple tests in reality
  322. # [03:16] <rupl> ah so that's a really important distinction, your example code isn't representative of your problem
  323. # [03:16] <rupl> I gotcha now
  324. # [03:17] <ajbeaven> no, it was descriptive on the order in which in is called
  325. # [03:17] <ajbeaven> sorry
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  336. # [03:26] <ajbeaven> rupl: again, please note that this has changed since Modernizr 2.0.6
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  348. # [03:33] <rupl> ajbeaven: yeah I can't repro but since you seem to be able to I'd recommend hopping on github because that does sound weird
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  350. # [03:33] <ajbeaven> did you take a look at that example?
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  383. # [04:26] <goddamnit> Hi.
  384. # [04:27] <goddamnit> I want to create a three-step header indicating which step the user is currently on.
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  386. # [04:27] <goddamnit> But since you can't use text for styling (which this essentially is), how the hell am I suppose to arrange the markup?
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  444. # [05:46] <ankurk> hello peeps
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  446. # [05:47] <ankurk> I have a question, is it possible to create a flowchart in which the elements are editable & draggable?
  447. # [05:47] <ankurk> moreover, using a simple button user should be able to add an element
  448. # [05:48] <ankurk> I need just need some pointers in right direction
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  481. # [06:50] <Stendeck_> anyone here
  482. # [06:50] <Stendeck_> ?
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  484. # [06:51] <llamapixel> out the back smoking funny stuff
  485. # [06:51] <ankurk> That's why I am wondering
  486. # [06:51] <ankurk> my question still has not been answered by anyone
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  488. # [06:52] <llamapixel> Perhaps a mindmap repo will solve a lot of questions for you ankurk https://github.com/mindmup/mapjs
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  490. # [06:54] <llamapixel> The demo seems to be like all the others ankurk http://imgur.com/am90bQS
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  493. # [06:56] <ankurk> Is it possible to integrate it in a site?
  494. # [06:56] <llamapixel> yeah
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  496. # [06:56] <llamapixel> play with the demo
  497. # [06:57] <ankurk> I am asking that because I am trying to make kind of flowchart generator which a user can edit and save
  498. # [06:57] <llamapixel> That above repo has everything you want in that context
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  501. # [06:58] <llamapixel> http://www.mindmup.com
  502. # [06:58] <llamapixel> http://www.mindmup.com/map/default
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  506. # [07:00] <mokush> has anybody used http://hood.ie/?
  507. # [07:00] <ankurk> I can't find any info on how to use it on a third party site
  508. # [07:01] <mokush> ankurk: what do you mean by 3rd party?
  509. # [07:01] <llamapixel> ankurk: read the github slowly
  510. # [07:02] <ankurk> By third party I mean, I want to use it on my site
  511. # [07:03] <llamapixel> https://github.com/mindmup/mapjs/blob/master/README.md
  512. # [07:03] <ankurk> though I would like to avoid the solutions like this, and make my own. I guess it is possible using <canvas> tag
  513. # [07:03] <llamapixel> derp my derp
  514. # [07:04] <llamapixel> If you can't find the read me then things are going to sadface on you pretty much soon.
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  517. # [07:04] <ankurk> I read that one
  518. # [07:05] <ankurk> but it doesn't tell me 'how' to use that or where is the documentation?
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  575. # [08:22] <vitozev> hello, guys! i am trying to build html5 motion tracker, something like this: https://github.com/claus/experiment_MotionTracker
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  579. # [08:23] <vitozev> the main difference is that my injected content (on followed items) should be inserted into DOM, so for example later I want to catch jQuery's click event for example
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  583. # [08:25] <llamapixel> I do tracking with software as a general video user and never seen it so nice and smooth on html5 video content, does it look ahead many frames?
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  698. # [10:19] <gumble> hey, what is html5_boilerplate? just read the first time about it, and as I undestand it is just a set of tools?
  699. # [10:22] <dahlfors_> check the video at http://html5boilerplate.com/
  700. # [10:22] <gumble> did that, somehow didn't help me much. but i also needed ages to understand what frameworks do :D
  701. # [10:22] <dahlfors_> oh. it's changed
  702. # [10:22] <dahlfors_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDlsOyPKUTM
  703. # [10:23] <dahlfors_> basically, a clever starting place for your html5 docs
  704. # [10:28] <gumble> dahlfors_, thanks!
  705. # [10:29] <gumble> thats a really really good vid
  706. # [10:30] <dahlfors_> that one used to be on the html5 boilerplate website some year ago as intro video if I remember correctly
  707. # [10:31] <dahlfors_> but yes, better as an intro to what it is, than the one there right now telling about what updates there's been
  708. # [10:31] <gumble> now they are only using some 1-2 min vid, that one really was better
  709. # [10:31] <gumble> yes right
  710. # [10:31] <gumble> I'll watch the whole thing now
  711. # [10:31] <gumble> thanks again!
  712. # [10:31] <dahlfors_> np
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  721. # [10:37] <hellyeah> anything wrong here http://jsfiddle.net/33E92/
  722. # [10:38] <hellyeah> http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/base-css.html#forms i read this tutorial
  723. # [10:38] <hellyeah> it doesnt seem like the link show me
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  725. # [10:39] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: naturally, you need to load Bootstrap CSS to use it in your HTML code
  726. # [10:39] <Moo-_-> it's a library
  727. # [10:41] <hellyeah> http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/
  728. # [10:41] <hellyeah> you mean this right
  729. # [10:41] <hellyeah> it is library or framework
  730. # [10:41] <hellyeah> ?
  731. # [10:42] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: I suggest you study Twitter Bootstrap tutorial material before using it
  732. # [10:42] <hellyeah> sure i just checked it ouyt
  733. # [10:43] <hellyeah> do i need to put that bootstrap into /var/www
  734. # [10:46] <hellyeah> hmm i got it how it goes
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  746. # [11:00] <daanavitch> does anyone have experience with the google maps API?
  747. # [11:00] <daanavitch> is it possible to use a different marker image on the iphone?
  748. # [11:01] <daanavitch> also, how can I let an element fill up the rest of the parent div?
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  750. # [11:01] <daanavitch> like <div><span></span><span></span></div>
  751. # [11:02] <daanavitch> parent is 300px, first span contains text, and second span should fill up the rest of the div
  752. # [11:02] <daanavitch> is this possible?
  753. # [11:02] <hellyeah> how can i use select with input
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  756. # [11:04] <hellyeah> i will do htmlbox for gender
  757. # [11:04] <hellyeah> male and female
  758. # [11:04] <hellyeah> can i use select statement for that
  759. # [11:05] <hellyeah> now i hjave <label>Gender</label><br> <input type="text" id="gender" name="gender"placeholder ="erkek/kız" required><br>
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  762. # [11:11] <frekt> hellyeah, you probably want to use a <select> tag and use <option> tags for each gender instead of an <input> tag
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  765. # [11:12] <frekt> hellyeah, http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_select.asp
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  792. # [11:42] <hellyeah> what is pattern for email
  793. # [11:42] <hellyeah> does it exist
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  816. # [12:09] <daanavitch> does anyone know of a tool that lets me draw vector shapes visually and export it to canvas?
  817. # [12:10] <Ms2ger> Canvas doesn't do vector shapes
  818. # [12:11] <Ms2ger> Just use SVG, that's what it's for
  819. # [12:11] <llamapixel> inkscape should export svg
  820. # [12:11] <Ms2ger> It does
  821. # [12:12] <llamapixel> nods
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  853. # [12:51] <daanavitch> is it possible to play an svg animation only when the user is scrolling?
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  871. # [13:15] <hellyeah> is there anyone use bootstrap
  872. # [13:15] <hellyeah> i have a problem with that
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  892. # [13:38] <hellyeah> http://jsfiddle.net/XxvzV/
  893. # [13:38] <hellyeah> i am using bootstrap
  894. # [13:38] <hellyeah> supposedly it seems like something htmlbox
  895. # [13:38] <hellyeah> but it seems
  896. # [13:38] <hellyeah> something
  897. # [13:38] <hellyeah> htmlbox
  898. # [13:38] <hellyeah> why is it like that
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  900. # [13:39] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: you are misusing jsfiddle.net
  901. # [13:39] <Moo-_-> CSS text box is for writing CSS code
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  903. # [13:39] <Moo-_-> not adding links
  904. # [13:40] <hellyeah> it is html text box
  905. # [13:40] <hellyeah> jsfiddle link here
  906. # [13:40] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: there is separate option for External Resources on left
  907. # [13:40] <hellyeah> http://jsfiddle.net/XxvzV/
  908. # [13:41] <hellyeah> external resources? what do you mean
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  911. # [13:42] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: I am sorry, I am little short of time so I cannot now start explaining how you are supposed to put external resources like Twitter CSS to jsfiddle.net
  912. # [13:42] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: get some Twitter tutorial off the net and follow it
  913. # [13:42] <hellyeah> hmm okey
  914. # [13:43] <Moo-_-> it's too time consuming if you need to explain everything step by step and there are good, productized, self-study tutorials out there
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  916. # [13:43] <hellyeah> i didnt know i needed to read twitter tutorial sorry
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  918. # [13:44] <hellyeah> hmm i got it
  919. # [13:44] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: google twitter bootstrap tutorial and off you go
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  1642. # [23:36] <didiergm> Hi On a tablet, I need to take a series of pictures, save them in a localfilesystem (sandboxed) and later upload them to a web server all in one go. or at least w/o the user having to manually select each of them
  1643. # [23:37] <didiergm> Is it feasible or some steps are a no-no
  1644. # [23:37] <didiergm> I can capture images and save them (in Chrome) it is the upload bit which worries me.
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  1646. # [23:38] <didiergm> This is running on Android 4+
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  1655. # [23:46] <Jon471> it should be fine - Android 4+ is pretty reliable
  1656. # [23:46] <Jon471> although the bandwidth is always an issue
  1657. # [23:47] <Jon471> and if the user closes the tab or whatever before the uploading finishes, it won't just continue in the background I bet
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  1663. # [23:48] <didiergm> Will be using Wifi from hotel in teh evening; so this should be fine. What I am not sure about is can I pick each image captured during the day and do the upload w/o user intervention (apart from starting the transfer, no file selection)
  1664. # [23:48] <Jon471> i assume you're using the file api to get the user media
  1665. # [23:49] <didiergm> Jon471 yes - this places the image on a canvas; I am then planning to save the canvas as PNG
  1666. # [23:49] <Jon471> it's gonna have to be stored in memory - there might be an upper limit to how much the browser can handle, but that'll depend on the device you're using..
  1667. # [23:49] <didiergm> with toDataUrl()
  1668. # [23:49] <Jon471> just gotta try it out!
  1669. # [23:50] <didiergm> Jon471 - yes absolutely.
  1670. # [23:50] <didiergm> The only thing I am not sure where to start with the auto upload. I am a tad consusef;
  1671. # [23:50] <Jon471> check out XHR2
  1672. # [23:51] <Jon471> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/xhr2/
  1673. # [23:51] <didiergm> plenty of examples to upload file with user selecting or drag & drop; from localfilesystem - not quite
  1674. # [23:51] <didiergm> Will check XHR2
  1675. # [23:51] <didiergm> thanks
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  1677. # [23:51] <Jon471> from the outset it seems like something the browser should have no trouble with
  1678. # [23:51] <Jon471> good luck!
  1679. # [23:52] <didiergm> :)
  1680. # [23:56] <didiergm> Jon471 if you are regularly around, I'll report here my findings
  1681. # [23:59] <Jon471> i'm often around, and there are also many others who are wiser
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