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  473. # [13:58] <Igor^> we browsers use utf8 decode characters and they display character references literally?
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  481. # [14:07] <moo-_-> Igor^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encodings_in_HTML
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  484. # [14:07] <Igor^> I am not sure if I use character reference in html file how it is saved on hard disk and how it is decoded with web browser then?
  485. # [14:07] <Igor^> moo-_-, ^
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  487. # [14:08] <moo-_-> Igor^: ok
  488. # [14:08] <moo-_-> HTTP headers take preference
  489. # [14:08] <moo-_-> then character set set in HTML file
  490. # [14:08] <moo-_-> files saved on hard disk don't have HTTP headers as it is a protocol level thing
  491. # [14:08] <Igor^> I know that but I don't know how character reference is saved on the disk
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  493. # [14:08] <Igor^> and how then is decoded with web browser
  494. # [14:09] <moo-_-> Igor^: see link above
  495. # [14:09] <moo-_-> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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  497. # [14:10] <Igor^> moo-_-, that website isn't showing that so that is why I am confused
  498. # [14:10] <Igor^> I am searching for this answer for about 2 months seriously
  499. # [14:10] <Igor^> please help me understand this man :S
  500. # [14:10] <Igor^> I know about encodings
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  502. # [14:11] <moo-_-> Igor^: please take your time and read the link above with thought
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  504. # [14:11] <Igor^> ok what I don't understand about encodings is if I use character reference for some character in html file how that character reference is encoded and saved on the hard disk ? and when that html file is sent to browser with web server how web browser will decode it
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  506. # [14:12] <Igor^> I have in the past moo-_- read that link
  507. # [14:12] <moo-_-> Igor^: good
  508. # [14:12] <Igor^> I still can't understand this :S
  509. # [14:13] <moo-_-> Igor^: the web browser does not encode or decode characters when the file is saved to the disk
  510. # [14:13] <moo-_-> it makes character encoding assumption based on <meta> tag when the file is read again
  511. # [14:13] <moo-_-> but when it downloads the file then it respects HTTP header
  512. # [14:14] <Igor^> no I mean if html file is save on the disk on the server
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  514. # [14:14] <Igor^> and then server sends it to browser on browser request
  515. # [14:14] <moo-_-> Igor^: then it depends on your server settings
  516. # [14:14] <Igor^> if I use utf in meta tag and no charset in server config
  517. # [14:14] <moo-_-> Igor^: it is a web server related question and you should either consult your server manual or community
  518. # [14:14] <moo-_-> Igor^: how your web server generates HTTP headeres
  519. # [14:15] <Igor^> I configured my web server to not send character encoding I set this in meta tag
  520. # [14:15] <Igor^> on page level
  521. # [14:16] <moo-_-> Igor^: I suggest you ask this question in your web server specific forum where they might be help you
  522. # [14:16] <moo-_-> like serverfault.com or stackoverflow.com
  523. # [14:17] <Igor^> hm
  524. # [14:17] <Igor^> ok then
  525. # [14:17] <Igor^> I think it msut be same for all servers
  526. # [14:17] <moo-_-> Igor^: it's not. every web server has its own configuration language and programming environment.
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  528. # [14:18] <Igor^> moo-_-, what you think?
  529. # [14:18] <moo-_-> Igor^: I don't know what web server you use (and in the case if it happens to Apache and PHP I don't really care)
  530. # [14:18] <Igor^> nginx
  531. # [14:18] <Igor^> default config
  532. # [14:20] <moo-_-> Igor^: nginx must somehow resolve file extensions from the disk to sent HTTP headers
  533. # [14:20] <moo-_-> Igor^: so I suggest you ask this on nginx specific forum
  534. # [14:20] <moo-_-> they know and people there don't need to guess
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  537. # [14:21] <Igor^> ok thanks moo-_- I will ask in nginx mailing list
  538. # [14:21] <moo-_-> Igor^: also, on serverfault.com you might get answers faster
  539. # [14:21] <moo-_-> it is really high volume q & a site for these kind of questions
  540. # [14:23] <Igor^> ok thanks
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  542. # [14:24] <Igor^> moo-_-, is that web site copy of stackoverflow?
  543. # [14:24] <moo-_-> Igor^: no, it's stackoverflow specific to server configuration questions
  544. # [14:24] <moo-_-> Igor^: same owner
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  547. # [14:25] <moo-_-> Igor^: in fact you can use the same user account
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  565. # [14:43] <HyperTurtle> Is it just me, or is this "HTML6" specification cringingly bad? http://html6spec.com/
  566. # [14:44] <Igor^> HyperTurtle, is that joke?
  567. # [14:44] <Igor^> or real html6 is coming?
  568. # [14:44] <moo-_-> mostly looks like a joke
  569. # [14:44] <moo-_-> or the author is just aligned with the reality
  570. # [14:45] <moo-_-> +not
  571. # [14:45] <Igor^> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahaahh
  572. # [14:45] <Igor^> not aligned with reality ^^
  573. # [14:47] <HyperTurtle> No, it's not a joke -_-
  574. # [14:48] <moo-_-> good luck for the author then
  575. # [14:49] <moo-_-> "yes I have this brilliant idea which will fix the web. only all the browser vendors in the world would need to side with me."
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  577. # [14:49] <HyperTurtle> Hey, don't laugh :O The guy who wrote it is the "fucking Justin Beiber of JavaScript" XD http://whothefuckisoscargodson.com/
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  580. # [14:51] <HyperTurtle> I tried to point out that the idea has some... err... minor... flaws, but nobody else seemed to agree with me. Glad to know I'm not losing my mind! :P
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  582. # [14:52] <Ms2ger> Looks like xhtml2
  583. # [14:52] <Ms2ger> And we know how that went
  584. # [14:54] <HyperTurtle> Lol.
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  605. # [15:22] <Igorrrrr> in &lt; how is "lt" called?
  606. # [15:23] <moo-_-> less than
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  609. # [15:25] <Igorrrrr> haha
  610. # [15:25] <Igorrrrr> no I mean it has some definition
  611. # [15:25] <Igorrrrr> or in &#x003C; how is "#x003C" part called without the ambiguous ampersand
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  701. # [16:37] <sunbeam> Is there a way to change the default padding left/right in bootstrap?
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  703. # [16:46] <tw2113> yeah, find where it's defined by default, change the values
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  709. # [16:56] <patsToms> but it's might be easy if you use it with less
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  711. # [16:56] <tw2113> just override it with your own
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  713. # [16:56] <patsToms> yeah, just change values
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  848. # [19:02] <sunbeam> tw2113: patsToms
  849. # [19:02] <sunbeam> I just want to change it when the parent row has a certain class
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  852. # [19:03] <sunbeam> tw2113: what do I need to change apart from the .col-lg, .col-sm and col-s ?
  853. # [19:03] <tw2113> dunno, i don't use bootstrap ever
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  855. # [19:03] <sunbeam> You don't like it?
  856. # [19:03] <tw2113> but i imagine a selector of the specific parent class + child class would work
  857. # [19:03] <sunbeam> Wonder how come so much people request their designs coded to BS templates
  858. # [19:04] <tw2113> .parent .child { padding: 0 5px; }
  859. # [19:04] <tw2113> because it's trendy and hip
  860. # [19:04] <sunbeam> tw2113: works with percentages
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  865. # [19:04] <tw2113> then change it to percents instead of px
  866. # [19:04] <sunbeam> yea
  867. # [19:04] <tw2113> i'm not doing all the detail work for you
  868. # [19:06] <sunbeam> hehe its ok
  869. # [19:07] <sunbeam> Actually it takes some more work
  870. # [19:07] <sunbeam> But when you have a BS template working well it works pretty damn good
  871. # [19:07] <sunbeam> Not that it's not possible to do manually without any framework
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  873. # [19:07] <sunbeam> I mean when you have set it up right
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  929. # [20:31] <jm_> hi all
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  932. # [20:41] <HyperTurtle> Hey :)
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  937. # [20:45] <jm_> hi all
  938. # [20:46] <jm_> would someone mind helping me with jsfiddle?
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  941. # [20:46] <jm_> im trying to get divs inline for a mobile application
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  943. # [20:46] <jm_> http://jsfiddle.net/zugzwangle/QB2WT/
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  950. # [20:51] <jm_> hi all
  951. # [20:51] <jm_> would anyone mind helping me with a bit of css?
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  966. # [21:03] <HyperTurtle> What's the problem?
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  976. # [21:10] <MattCodr> hi everybody would anyone mind to test if it's working ok? http://mazeware.com/poc/princeofcanvas.html
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  979. # [21:14] <wolfgang42> MattCodr: It goes really slowly for me, but otherwise works OK.
  980. # [21:15] <wolfgang42> He's walking in slow motion, and sort of keeps gliding along after I let go of the key for about 1.5 seconds or so.
  981. # [21:15] <graphettion> He break dances if you keep running and press the opposite arrow.
  982. # [21:15] <graphettion> (like a turn dance)
  983. # [21:15] <graphettion> Cracks me up.
  984. # [21:16] <MattCodr> wolfgang42, please, what browser?
  985. # [21:16] <MattCodr> graphettion, strange here he turns right, it's slow too?
  986. # [21:16] <wolfgang42> Ubuntu, Firefox 22.0, but it's an old computer.
  987. # [21:16] <MattCodr> graphettion, what browser?
  988. # [21:17] <graphettion> I'm using Chrome.
  989. # [21:17] <wolfgang42> I see what graphettion means.
  990. # [21:17] <graphettion> Press and hold left for a little bit, then right quickly.
  991. # [21:17] <wolfgang42> I just timed it, and a jump takes about 3 seconds.
  992. # [21:18] <graphettion> It's like a little dance. I like it.
  993. # [21:18] <MattCodr> graphettion, I see what you mean,
  994. # [21:18] <MattCodr> yes this is a flaw
  995. # [21:18] <wolfgang42> Also, when he's climbing, his hands don't stay on the ledge. They float off of it and then back on.
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  997. # [21:19] <MattCodr> wolfgang42, yes I should improve more, this is my first Html5/Js experience.
  998. # [21:19] <MattCodr> wolfgang42, it's far from perfect
  999. # [21:20] <wolfgang42> How do you pick something up again? I've forgotten the controls.
  1000. # [21:20] <MattCodr> wolfgang42, unfortunately you can't
  1001. # [21:20] <wolfgang42> Oh. I thought I saw a control for that. Nvm then.
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  1006. # [21:22] <MattCodr> wolfgang42, I was running out of time in my personal deadline, so things were cutted off.
  1007. # [21:22] <wolfgang42> Yeah, my big issue is that it's so *slow*.
  1008. # [21:22] <MattCodr> hmm, well wolfgang42, graphettion thanks for testing and sharing comments.
  1009. # [21:23] <wolfgang42> Can I take a look at the un-minified JavaScript?
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  1014. # [21:25] <MattCodr> wolfgang42, sure, I'm just writing a postmortem where I'll put the code there. For now I'm don't have it on this computer. I'm at work.
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  1016. # [21:25] <MattCodr> But I tell you, it's a mess
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