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  89. # [03:35] <MalditoDev> anybody have any idea why my nav drop down only works on opera mobile and no other browser (mobile)?
  90. # [03:43] <Ivybelle> I would assume there's a CSS item somewhere
  91. # [03:43] <Ivybelle> or a function doing a check on the browser type and disabling that if not opera
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  106. # [04:50] <Globalirc> hello what it's mean This URL must end with a '/' or have a '?' in the path. ?
  107. # [04:52] <Ivybelle> the server is running a check against the request. I would assume the server is using sub folders to house pages.
  108. # [04:52] <Ivybelle> the ? is usually a delimiter for passing values for stuff though.. so - that's weird if it's requiring that.
  109. # [04:52] <Ivybelle> Where are you seeing this?
  110. # [04:54] <Globalirc> in a facebook add template
  111. # [04:54] <Globalirc> were he ask for https
  112. # [04:54] <Globalirc> on my site i dont have https
  113. # [04:55] <Globalirc> how i can enable ssl on my site ??
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  116. # [04:58] <demophoon> Globalirc: depends on how you are running your website
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  118. # [05:02] <Globalirc> on my own host just apache2
  119. # [05:02] <Globalirc> OVH
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  121. # [05:04] <demophoon> you will need to find a trusted CA and purchase a certificate from them and add that CA cert, private ssl key, and public ssl cert to your apache configuration
  122. # [05:05] <Globalirc> ahh ok sound very eassy ;))
  123. # [05:05] <demophoon> unless you just want to go the self-signed way which will give you ssl but a nasty error will show up in users browsers. Now if you are the only user that might not be an issue but if you have more than just yourself using the service/website going with a trusted CA would be the way to go
  124. # [05:07] <demophoon> and its not too terrible, when it is something you do daily it becomes second nature to ya ;)
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  127. # [05:07] <Globalirc> yeah ok demophoon i will tink about it ;)
  128. # [05:07] <Globalirc> thanks
  129. # [05:07] <demophoon> sure thing
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  399. # [17:13] <persina> whats the deal with browsers adding margin to the body by default? everyone turns it off.
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  401. # [17:15] <moo-_-> persina: legacy
  402. # [17:15] <moo-_-> it was good idea by the time
  403. # [17:15] <persina> moo-_-: why was it a good idea at the time?
  404. # [17:15] <persina> seems like an odd feature
  405. # [17:15] <moo-_-> because the vision was that the browser devices how the pages look like, not the page author
  406. # [17:15] <moo-_-> s/devices/decides
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  408. # [17:17] <persina> moo-_-: So they added a single 8px margin to only the body tag?
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  410. # [17:18] <moo-_-> persina: they added a margin which is best for the browser
  411. # [17:18] <moo-_-> in this case it was usually 640x480 VGA screen running Windows 3.1
  412. # [17:18] <moo-_-> and the year was 1995
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  414. # [17:18] <moo-_-> and nobody had idea how the web will turn out
  415. # [17:18] <persina> moo-_-: so they felt taking up more of the screen with blank space was a good idea?
  416. # [17:19] <moo-_-> persina: no
  417. # [17:19] <moo-_-> most likely the idea was that if the text smears to the edge of your CRT screen it is unreadable
  418. # [17:19] <moo-_-> persina: think think think
  419. # [17:19] <moo-_-> persina: there is a reason for everything
  420. # [17:19] <moo-_-> people don't do just things to make our life miserable
  421. # [17:21] <persina> moo-_-: i guess that makes sense...either way I think it should have been done away with already.
  422. # [17:21] <moo-_-> one never breaks legacy, that's the promise of the web
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  424. # [17:21] <moo-_-> you can still open a HTML page from 1993
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  427. # [17:22] <moo-_-> persina: but you are free to addrses this issue with the browser authors
  428. # [17:22] <moo-_-> like opening an issue in the chromium issue tracker
  429. # [17:22] <moo-_-> or talking with WHATWG guys
  430. # [17:22] <persina> moo-_-: thats where backwards compatability comes in
  431. # [17:23] <persina> moo-_-: legacy code is not meant to stay forever
  432. # [17:23] <moo-_-> there are channels to change this, but it is a heavy process
  433. # [17:23] <moo-_-> and you need to be passionate it if you want to walk it all the way to the end
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  435. # [17:28] <persina> moo-_-: just bringing up the thought... don't have the time or passion to make a big deal out of it
  436. # [17:28] <moo-_-> persina: that's why I believe we are going to live with that margin forever :)
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  438. # [17:29] <persina> moo-_-: or until I become ceo of chrome
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  440. # [17:31] <moo-_-> persina: I'll send you beer when the issue becomes closed :)
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  444. # [17:35] <Ms2ger> persina, well, that way of thinking fortunately ensures you'll never get a job working on a browser
  445. # [17:36] <dahlfors> there was a time when the default background color was gray too. seemed like a good idea at the time for some reason
  446. # [17:36] <dahlfors> :)
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  448. # [17:44] <moo-_-> dahlfors: white burns too much phosphor
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  451. # [17:48] <dahlfors> could have gone with black as default bg and green text ;)
  452. # [17:48] <dahlfors> moo-_-: did you see my odd find some day ago?
  453. # [17:49] <moo-_-> dahlfors: yellow on blue
  454. # [17:49] <moo-_-> dahlfors: nope
  455. # [17:49] <dahlfors> moo-_-: in android chrome, if you use gif as backgrounds, they get *very* slow with position absolute. while if you use position: fixed - they run at normal speed
  456. # [17:52] <moo-_-> dahlfors: you can uncover this kind of magic by diving into chromium source code if you want to find out why :)
  457. # [17:52] <moo-_-> but some things are betten to keep in a closed box
  458. # [17:55] <dahlfors> moo-_-: yeah. was just such a weird bug... and it took quite a while until I found the issue
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  461. # [17:56] <dahlfors> I expected some scaling issue before that - or some kind of performance hit due to z-index and semi-transparent layers
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