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  86. # [22:57] <knittl> hi.
  87. # [22:58] <knittl> is it possible to specify the telephone type without visibly adding it to the markup?
  88. # [23:06] <@tantek> no point in publishing invisible data - it will likely rot
  89. # [23:06] <@tantek> so just leave it out
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  91. # [23:17] <knittl> hrm
  92. # [23:17] <knittl> tantek: i only have one phone number, so i'd like to give it type mobile
  93. # [23:17] <knittl> but i don't need it written on my page
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  95. # [23:21] <@tantek> the point is, you might eventually transfer that number to Google Voice etc. and then it is no longer strictly a mobile number, however, because that information is not visible whereever you're publishing, you're not likely to notice that the information is out of date and thus it rots.
  96. # [23:21] <@tantek> so no, you don't really want to bother wasting time giving it an invisible type
  97. # [23:21] <@tantek> or if the type matters to you, then it deserves to be visible
  98. # [23:21] <@tantek> and then the likelihood that you'll fix it goes way up
  99. # [23:21] <knittl> ok
  100. # [23:22] <knittl> thanks :)
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  102. # [23:29] <knittl> still: is it possible? :D – without the use of css
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  104. # [23:40] <chl> Hi guys, this is Chris Lea from (mt) Media Temple
  105. # [23:40] <chl> I've just downgraded PHP on the (mt) server to 5.2.6 so mediawiki should be working.
  106. # [23:40] <chl> if people can test that would be tremendous.
  107. # [23:44] <Loqi> [[admin-how-to]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-how-to&diff=44250&oldid=44205&rcid=57378 * Tantek * (+786) drafted some server transition testing bits / stubs
  108. # [23:45] <Loqi> [[admin-how-to]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-how-to&diff=44251&oldid=44250&rcid=57379 * Tantek * (+67) /* server transition testing */ current servers being tested
  109. # [23:46] <@tantek> chl - it looks like http://mt.microformats.org/ just redirects to http://microformats.org/ - defeating testability
  110. # [23:47] <@tantek> folks, adminhelp (benward, Phae et al), I've drafted up some key aspects of the site to test in a transition scenario (such as we have) - would really appreciate your contributions here: http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-how-to#server_transition_testing
  111. # [23:47] <chl> I'd recommend pinning your hosts file so that microformats.org points to the (mt) IP. that's the only way to *really* be sure you're seeing what you'll see when DNS moves.
  112. # [23:47] <chl> adding this line should do it
  113. # [23:47] <chl> 64.207.154.205 www.microformats.org microformats.org
  114. # [23:47] <@tantek> chl - we're not ready to throw that switch yet though - we should test everything we can first (instead of breaking, reverting, and repeating)
  115. # [23:48] <chl> if you're using os x, you'll probably have to run this to flush the local dns cache
  116. # [23:48] <chl> dscacheutil -flushcache
  117. # [23:48] <@tantek> adding to wiki
  118. # [23:49] <chl> @tantek yeah, i'm not implying we shoudl switch dns back over. just saying that changing your hosts file is a better way to test than using mt.microformats.org, in case there's any stuff that's wired to just microformats.org in the code.
  119. # [23:51] <Loqi> [[admin-how-to]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-how-to&diff=44252&oldid=44251&rcid=57380 * Tantek * (+296) /* server transition testing */ DNS flush tips, irc bots
  120. # [23:52] <@tantek> chl - for those of us that aren't entire sure what you mean by "pinning your hosts file" - let's be more specific - it sounded like you wanted someone to edit the hosts file on the old server
  121. # [23:52] <@tantek> which doesn't make sense
  122. # [23:52] <chl> sorry, no, i meant to edit your hosts file on your local computer.
  123. # [23:53] <chl> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27350/beginner-geek-how-to-edit-your-hosts-file/
  124. # [23:53] <chl> that article shows how to do it for windows, os x, and linux.
  125. # [23:54] <chl> (sorry, i do this all the freaking time, i forgot not everybody does :) )
  126. # [23:54] <chl> if if you add the line I put above to the hosts file on your local machine, and do the flush cache thing in os x, then restart your browser, it will be have *exactly* as if you'd switched actual DNS. so that's why it's the best way to test.
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