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  53. # [11:54] <Loqi> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=48864&oldid=48850&rcid=64955 * Sharonjames * (-6390)
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  57. # [12:22] <iSRAELi> http://schema.org/Person
  58. # [12:22] <iSRAELi> whats this
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  60. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> can anyone help with w3c
  61. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> who gives me errors for dublin core :(
  62. # [12:36] <Loqi> aww, cheer up
  63. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> it says keyword not registerd :S
  64. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> Error Line 15, Column 47: Bad value DC.creator for attribute name on element meta: Keyword dc.creator is not registered.
  65. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> <meta name="DC.creator" content="Amir Shahar">
  66. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> Syntax of metadata name:
  67. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> A metadata name listed in the HTML specification or listed in the WHATWG wiki. You can register metadata names on the WHATWG wiki yourself.
  68. # [12:36] <iSRAELi> its actually exact copy paste from dublin core website
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  85. # [15:59] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/drumwork :: Patriotic Christmas - Holiday Cards by http://www.HolidayCardWebsite.com/hcards/ http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/Default.aspx
  86. # [16:12] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/FreeWSOdownload :: Free download: WSO - WP Author hReview (Plugin) http://www.freewso.info/wp-author-hreview-plugin/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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  88. # [16:16] <Loqi> [[User:Labrajohn]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Labrajohn&rcid=64956 * Labrajohn * (+383) New page: The [http://ourvirtualsociety.com/ Outsourcing bookkeeping Services] People go into company for themselves for many aspects, such as freedom, control and of course, to probably generate mo...
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  96. # [17:52] <Loqi> [[Odeio cãibra x Afinal quem gosta driving lessons in redditch]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Odeio_c%C3%A3ibra_x_Afinal_quem_gosta_driving_lessons_in_redditch&rcid=64957 * GussieGamble1 * (+1283) New page: [[Image:driving_lessons_in_redditch_4133.jpg|thumb|]] Brum Driving School offer driving lessons in Redditch at great prices. Some of the best pass rates in the area
  97. # [17:55] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/drumwork :: Playing Around - Holiday Cards by http://www.HolidayCardWebsite.com/hcards/ http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/Default.aspx
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  104. # [18:50] <Loqi> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=48867&oldid=48864&rcid=64958 * Tantek * (+6390) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Sharonjames|Sharonjames]] ([[User talk:Sharonjames|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:ChiefRA|ChiefRA]]
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  110. # [18:59] <@tantek> iSRAELi - not sure how useful dublin core is - what are you trying to do?
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  112. # [19:24] <MikeD_> firefox plugin Operator has a Add to Google Calendar action... but i don't get a calendar entry created... is it because the dtend value is only 1 hour later than the start?
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  115. # [20:01] <Loqi> [[Luminess Air: Have you been Understanding the Proper Information Via Other folks?16837]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Luminess_Air:_Have_you_been_Understanding_the_Proper_Information_Via_Other_folks%3F16837&rcid=64964 * MargetagtorvjfsvAbramowitz * (+2154) New page: If you want to really make the best option on how to receive an airbrush bronze, you will be considering
  116. # [20:02] <MikeD_> nope, it was because the microformat expects the title attribute to contain the data
  117. # [20:02] <@tantek> MikeD_ that depends on the element
  118. # [20:02] <@tantek> or if you're using the value-title feature
  119. # [20:02] <@tantek> what's the page with the problem?
  120. # [20:02] <MikeD_> oh, there's an option? i really don't like the UI impact of cramming a datetime into title
  121. # [20:03] <MikeD_> it's not published yet
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  123. # [20:03] <MikeD_> i could copy it out though
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  125. # [20:03] <@tantek> yes - there are a bunch of options
  126. # [20:03] <@tantek> depending on what kind of markup you're already using
  127. # [20:04] <@tantek> the value-title pattern is described here:
  128. # [20:04] <MikeD_> http://jsfiddle.net/sCJ5q/
  129. # [20:04] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute
  130. # [20:05] <@tantek> ah - you're already using the <time> element - good
  131. # [20:05] <@tantek> I think then that might be an outstanding enhancement request with Operator
  132. # [20:05] <@tantek> to get it to recognize the <time> element
  133. # [20:05] <MikeD_> that's what I used to test the integration to google :)
  134. # [20:06] <MikeD_> i didn't get much feedback on the semantic #html channel, care to comment on the way I used two time tags to show the start/end behavior of the event?
  135. # [20:07] <@tantek> hmm - for some reason I left the #html channel years ago - is there much (interesting?) discussion there any more?
  136. # [20:07] <MikeD_> since html5 there have been a few interesting academic conversations
  137. # [20:07] <@tantek> hmm
  138. # [20:07] <MikeD_> mostly "what's the difference between section and div" for example
  139. # [20:08] <@tantek> oh - yeah, that problem ;)
  140. # [20:08] <MikeD_> what's an "article" :)
  141. # [20:08] <@tantek> lol
  142. # [20:08] <@tantek> using two time elements is good
  143. # [20:08] <@tantek> I would include the 1:00 PM inside the *first* time element, since it's part of that data
  144. # [20:09] <@tantek> and then *not* include the " - " between the times
  145. # [20:09] <@tantek> in the second time element
  146. # [20:09] <MikeD_> what style hook do i use to force the 1:00 onto the 'line' following the date?
  147. # [20:10] <@tantek> I think that would require another element
  148. # [20:15] <@tantek> I'm guessing your goal is to put the date in its own block, so I'd wrap a span just around the date and style it to display block
  149. # [20:16] <MikeD_> yup, that's where i was going (thanks for the validation)
  150. # [20:16] <@tantek> alternatively you could put a <br/> after the date
  151. # [20:16] <MikeD_> when you said not include the "-" between the times, you mean not inside the time tag? or not at all
  152. # [20:17] <MikeD_> use something clever like time + time:before { content: "-"; }
  153. # [20:18] <@tantek> not inside the time tag
  154. # [20:18] <@tantek> heh - I wouldn't use CSS for it because it is still plain text content you want readers to see regardless of styling
  155. # [20:19] <MikeD_> yeah, so just between the begin and end time tags
  156. # [20:22] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern-tests]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern-tests&diff=48869&oldid=42172&rcid=64967 * Tantek * (+67) /* inline examples from Microformation */ to do value-title test pages
  157. # [20:22] <MikeD_> if this snippet of markup is reused elsewhere (copy/paste) but the end-time isn't meant to be displayed the dash looks weird and should also be not displayed - so do you wrap it in an element that is styleable? or do i have to keep track of removing the content... in which case I might have no end time on the hCalendar ?
  158. # [20:22] <MikeD_> or vevent... or whatever part of the spec I'm trying to talk about
  159. # [20:22] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=48870&oldid=47802&rcid=64968 * Tantek * (+96) /* limited use of value-title */ note todo
  160. # [20:23] <@tantek> right
  161. # [20:23] <@tantek> hmm - that's an interesting argument for including the dash inside the dtend element
  162. # [20:23] <@tantek> yes you're talking about hCalendar :)
  163. # [20:24] <@tantek> btw note that there's now a microformats2 version of hCalendar also for generic parsers - feel fee to use both for better forward compat: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-event
  164. # [20:24] <@tantek> and yes - the naming question/dilemma you point out has been fixed in microformats2
  165. # [20:24] <@tantek> all microformats2 vocabularies are named the same thing as their root elements
  166. # [20:24] <@tantek> e.g. h-event
  167. # [20:30] <MikeD_> so p-name supercedes "summary" ? is that suggested because summary doesn't meaningfully convey the "name" content? I was confused by that, I assumed summary was what description actually is
  168. # [20:30] <MikeD_> so if I made the vevent class also include h-event and summary include p-name, that would cover both parser implementations? (conceivably)
  169. # [20:35] <@tantek> and the dt properties became dt- properties
  170. # [20:35] <@tantek> e.g. dt-end and dt-start
  171. # [20:35] <@tantek> also p-description
  172. # [20:35] <@tantek> p-name is a unification of various name-like properties including "fn" from hCard and "summary" from hCalendar
  173. # [20:36] <@tantek> also, no matter how many times we explained it, "fn" confused people, especially new people. it's just a name right? right.
  174. # [20:42] <MikeD_> cool
  175. # [20:42] <MikeD_> fwiw: also cool is that I would see your name on the wiki page, then come into this channel and you're actually here to talk to about it.
  176. # [20:58] <MikeD_> is the dt-start parseable by css as a classname?
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  178. # [21:01] <Cat4D> is there a directed graph lib with info boxes and css3/dhtml fallback ?
  179. # [21:06] <@tantek> MikeD_ yes - you can have hyphens in classnames and have it work with CSS as well
  180. # [21:06] <@tantek> and great to have you here as well!
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  182. # [21:12] <MikeD_> that was 15 minutes of struggle to find a space between time and .dt-start in the stylesheet
  183. # [21:14] <MikeD_> operator converts dt-start to zulu before feeding it to google.. that's interesting
  184. # [21:15] <MikeD_> is that due to a google requirement or a feature of Operator ?
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  186. # [21:20] <MikeD_> here's where I am at this point: http://jsfiddle.net/sCJ5q/
  187. # [21:22] <MikeD_> apparently that didn't update, try this: http://jsfiddle.net/m8fAz/
  188. # [21:23] <MikeD_> it's a bit unfortunate that there's an extra empty span just to keep the tooltip from popping up the datetime that's part of the time tag, but whatever
  189. # [21:23] <MikeD_> i think it's important that the content be machine readable
  190. # [21:26] <@tantek> the extra empty span is a transitional thing - as more software supports HTML5, we'll have to depend on fewer empty spans
  191. # [21:28] <@tantek> looks good. you can also add "u-url" into the class="url" for the h-event as well
  192. # [21:31] <MikeD_> oh yeah.. when i showed this to the other person i'm working with... (after many reminders about semantic class names) says, "class='url' ?!?"
  193. # [21:39] <MikeD_> should the h-event be first in the class attribute?
  194. # [21:44] <MikeD_> or does that fall under the category of rediculous microoptimization
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  199. # [22:58] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/drumwork :: 2013 Calendar - Flag with Greetings - Holiday Cards by http://www.HolidayCardWebsite.com/hcards/ http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/Default.aspx
  200. # [23:02] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/drumwork :: Waterfront Lights - Holiday Cards by http://www.HolidayCardWebsite.com/hcards/ http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/Default.aspx
  201. # [23:41] <@tantek> MikeD_ re: should the h-event be first in the class attribute - I think it should because it makes it easier to recognize that it (and perhaps the subsequent vevent class name) are part of a microformat. Similarly with class="dt-start dtstart", and class="p-name summary"
  202. # [23:41] <@tantek> mentioned a bit in the "Tips:" section here: http://microformats.org/wiki/2#backward_compatible
  203. # [23:42] <@tantek> but perhaps worthy of an FAQ
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  208. # [23:57] <Loqi> [[microformats2-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-faq&diff=48871&oldid=48410&rcid=64969 * Tantek * (+1211) when using both h-card and vcard which should be first and why
  209. # [23:58] <@tantek> MikeD_ wrote it up: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-faq#when_using_both_h-card_and_vcard_which_should_be_first_and_why - let me know if that makes sense and if I can improve it any further to help with such questions in the future.
  210. # [23:59] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=48872&oldid=48485&rcid=64970 * Tantek * (-3) /* backward compatible */ g
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