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  1. # Session Start: Wed May 20 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:13] <tommorris> gRegorLove: I'm hoping at some point to add iCalendar output for h-event
  4. # [00:13] <tommorris> gRegorLove: ...to mf2py
  5. # [00:14] <gRegorLove> Cool
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  21. # [01:21] <worik> Is anybody here interested in "hCalendar Example 1". I have found some iCalendar errors I think
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  23. # [01:24] <@tantek> yes definitely. will be off for a bit but will check logs.
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  25. # [01:30] <worik> TEXT fields must escape ',' (section 3.3.11 RFC5545) "CATEGORIES:BUSINESS,HUMAN RESOURCES" should be "CATEGORIES:BUSINESS\,HUMAN RESOURCES"
  26. # [01:31] <worik> Time fields are HHMMSS not HHMM (RFC5545 3.3.12) "DTSTAMP:19970901T1300Z" should be "DTSTAMP:19970901T130000Z"
  27. # [01:32] <worik> I can be found at root@worik.org
  28. # [01:40] <worik> I am picking these up from http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples. The 'hCalendar' examples are labeled obsolete, but I am noting the iCalendar content
  29. # [01:41] <worik> URI must hafe a 'scheme' part (rfc3986 section 3) so "ORGANIZER:jsmith@host.com" should be "ORGANIZER:MAILTO:jsmith@host.com"
  30. # [01:44] <worik> The Example 5 journal entry is missing the initial space on the folded lines
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  36. # [02:49] <Loqi> [@suginoy] “MicroformatsとMicrodataの違いについて｜Web Design KOJIKA17” http://kojika17.com/2010/12/differences-microformats-and-microdata.html (http://twtr.io/zc99StBkd9)
  37. # [03:04] <Loqi> [@suginoy] “マイクロフォーマット(microformats) vs. マイクロデータ(microdata) - 檜山正幸のキマイラ飼育記” http://d.hatena.ne.jp/m-hiyama/20100412/1271032800 (http://twtr.io/zc9SmcdDyQ)
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  49. # [04:19] <Loqi> [@Cipherhouse] @JohnRingwould that file is for vcf microformats this e‘er for #ContactMe (http://twtr.io/zcGsFRgmjG)
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  53. # [04:34] <Loqi> [@ShayOlivarria] LOS ANGELES 5/23 CA African American Museum hosts a FREE day of literacy events!... http://www.caamuseum.org/hcalendar/index.php?eID=5992 (http://twtr.io/zcHfPaBECH)
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  84. # [11:49] <Loqi> [@fehler] @shiflett It must speak volumes about me that I enjoyed reading this – http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry – after seeing this tweet. Hope all’s well! (http://twtr.io/zcwjrVpcVb)
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  105. # [16:04] <Loqi> [@SmmMark] @Boostability read this: http://3dwebdesign.org/microformats-and-microdata - #microdata works only for recipes (http://twtr.io/zdLAWbMwgb)
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  142. # [19:49] <Loqi> [@PikBadaluk1] Existing (link) @rel values - http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values (http://twtr.io/zdf1NwtCbH)
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  157. # [21:18] <cweiske> Hi. I'd like to mark up my blog's index page with h-feed. Is it possible to simply add >class="h-entry u-url"< to the links? http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/
  158. # [21:19] <cweiske> or is u-url not necessary at all if it's an <a> tag anyway?
  159. # [21:21] <@tantek> unnecessary and actually incorrect too - as that u-url would apply to its parent h-* object
  160. # [21:21] <aaronpk> whoa, how does <a href="" class=
  161. # [21:21] <aaronpk> oops
  162. # [21:22] <aaronpk> how does <a href="" class="h-entry"> know to get the url property from the href?
  163. # [21:22] <aaronpk> i was surprised that it worked
  164. # [21:25] <cweiske> ok, done. so now the question is if readers can cope with such thin data and fetch the missing data from the detail page
  165. # [21:25] <cweiske> aaronpk, does monocle do this?
  166. # [21:25] <@tantek> aaronpk - see implied URL
  167. # [21:25] <@tantek> in microformats2-parsing
  168. # [21:26] <@tantek> cweiske: did you check the JSON output from a microformats2 parser to see what it finds?
  169. # [21:26] <aaronpk> cweiske: monocle actually *only* gets data from the permalink
  170. # [21:26] <aaronpk> i actually need to update it to first use data in the h-feed and enhance with data it finds on the permalink
  171. # [21:27] <cweiske> https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcweiske.de%2Ftagebuch%2F
  172. # [21:27] <cweiske> doesn't look that bad
  173. # [21:27] <aaronpk> also monocle won't do anything beyond the first fetch unless you support PuSH ;)
  174. # [21:27] <aaronpk> hey that's a pretty good minimal h-feed
  175. # [21:27] <cweiske> guess what I do
  176. # [21:28] <cweiske> wtf
  177. # [21:28] <cweiske> PubSubHubbub
  178. # [21:28] <cweiske> No PuSH hub was found
  179. # [21:28] <aaronpk> :/
  180. # [21:29] <cweiske> ah. only the atom feeds are push-enabled by my config
  181. # [21:29] <cweiske> my bad. all files are push-enabled
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  183. # [21:30] <cweiske> but aaronpk, the initial fetch did not seem to fetch details. I don't see any articles in monocle
  184. # [21:30] * aaronpk checks logs
  185. # [21:30] <aaronpk> oh dang
  186. # [21:31] <aaronpk> it's failing because there is no author :/
  187. # [21:31] <aaronpk> that's my fault, i should let it insert it anyway
  188. # [21:33] <@tantek> aaronpk: indeed - especially since you retrieve the info from the permalink anyway, that should include author info
  189. # [21:35] <cweiske> ok, hub is enabled
  190. # [21:37] <aaronpk> there it goes
  191. # [21:38] <cweiske> ah. nice
  192. # [21:38] <aaronpk> hm it's failing on some with spaces in the name
  193. # [21:38] <aaronpk> s/name/url
  194. # [21:38] <Loqi> aaronpk meant to say: hm it's failing on some with spaces in the url
  195. # [21:38] <cweiske> :)
  196. # [21:38] <cweiske> I see many 404s for files with spaces in the name
  197. # [21:38] <aaronpk> how's that happening?
  198. # [21:39] <cweiske> you have bugs in your code :)
  199. # [21:39] <cweiske> I switched to urls without spaces because many clients have issues with it
  200. # [21:39] <cweiske> my awstats pags still have thousands of 404 for partial urls with spaces
  201. # [21:39] <aaronpk> the parsed version of this has a bunch of URLs with spaces... http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcweiske.de%2Ftagebuch%2F
  202. # [21:40] <aaronpk> should the parser be converting those to %20?
  203. # [21:40] <cweiske> sure. the urls actually *have* spaces
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  205. # [21:40] <aaronpk> urls can't have spaces
  206. # [21:40] <@tantek> depends where
  207. # [21:40] * @tantek resists getting out The URL Diagram™ again ;)
  208. # [21:40] <aaronpk> href attributes can have spaces
  209. # [21:41] <aaronpk> is that something the php-mf2 parser should be handling?
  210. # [21:41] <cweiske> I'd say yes
  211. # [21:41] <@tantek> is there a test cse that fails?
  212. # [21:41] <aaronpk> if there isn't yet there certaily should be
  213. # [21:43] <aaronpk> i think it *has* to be done by the mf2 parser, because i can't just add a urlescape function in my code that consumes the parsed result, otherwise it'll way overescape things
  214. # [21:45] <@tantek> sure, just like &amp; in a URL in an href is handled by the HTML5/mf2 parser
  215. # [21:45] <@tantek> we just need some test cases :)
  216. # [21:47] <aaronpk> i think glennjones was working on that? :)
  217. # [21:48] <@tantek> he's working on *updating* his existing test cases
  218. # [21:48] <@tantek> if you want specific new ones, say because you want parsers to handle spaces in URLs, the burden of work is on you to provide them
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  221. # [21:53] <cweiske> apache conf for adding a hub link: Header append Link '<http://phubb.cweiske.de/hub.php>; rel="hub"'
  222. # [21:54] <cweiske> now I have to get microformats parsers to use my favicon as author icon
  223. # [21:54] <cweiske> which they don't, since it's not linked anywhere
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