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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jun 30 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  21. # [00:58] <Loqi> [@inductivestep] @holly maybe this http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-syntax (http://twtr.io/115TEXRZ155)
  22. # [01:00] <@tantek> wow
  23. # [01:02] <Loqi> [[twitter-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=twitter-syntax&diff=65081&oldid=64445&rcid=101462 * Tantek * (+152) note dm syntax as well as d. and can't start a tweet with "d " or "dm " per tweet citation
  24. # [01:04] <@tantek> reference: https://twitter.com/holly/status/615648195767500800
  25. # [01:04] <Loqi> [@holly] Tried to start a tweet with 'DM of the day' and got this message for n00bs. It literally won't let me post the tweet. https://twitter.com/holly/status/615648195767500800/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/115QcSpDEf0)
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  27. # [01:26] <KevinMarks_> new TLDs this week: .bank and .irish
  28. # [01:26] <Loqi> KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 7 minutes ago: what do you think of this question? http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-tag-faq&curid=1726&diff=65073&oldid=39615&rcid=101450#Encoding_and_decoding_the_tag_text_in_JavaScript
  29. # [01:26] <Loqi> KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 6 minutes ago: sorry wrong/long URL. this one, what do you think? http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-tag-faq&curid=1726&diff=65073&oldid=39615&rcid=101450
  30. # [01:30] <KevinMarks_> hm, the initial rationale was to make them create an indexable link to reduce spamming
  31. # [01:30] <@tantek> agreed that makes sense - want to answer it in the wiki?
  32. # [01:34] <KevinMarks_> hm, the numbering in the faq is broken
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  34. # [01:36] <KevinMarks_> whats the difference between Q&A and the other crossheads?
  35. # [01:39] <@tantek> yes that could use some wiki clean up / flattening
  36. # [01:40] <@tantek> feel free to take a try at it, or ok to just answer that question for now and we can do wiki clean up on that page later
  37. # [01:46] <Loqi> [[rel-tag-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-tag-faq&diff=65082&oldid=65073&rcid=101463 * Kevin Marks * (+63) clean up indenting for better ToC
  38. # [01:50] <Loqi> [[rel-tag-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-tag-faq&diff=65083&oldid=65082&rcid=101464 * Kevin Marks * (+233) /* rel-tag in Link elements */ visible metadata
  39. # [01:57] <Loqi> [@veganstraightedge] Resume: Skills: Converting JSON APIs to HTML + microformats. (http://twtr.io/115Y_HLk92w)
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  89. # [07:00] <Loqi> [@carlopenaii] RT @SEOcial: A4:Hidden benefit of pioneering RDFa/Microformats is that you will be easily syndicated by sophisticated entities like Google … (http://twtr.io/115zmWN9400)
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  94. # [08:36] <Loqi> [@neogeografen] Keder børnene sig i sommerhuset? - Lav Mapillary fotokonk. hvem der kan lave flest billeder på en dag i området http://www.microformats.dk/2015/01/13/bevaegelse-motion-gamification-i-folkeskolen/ (http://twtr.io/1168Si9E6iC)
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  103. # [09:42] <ChiefRA> tommorris any news? :)
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  119. # [13:03] <Loqi> [@grauniad] Gulilaume hreview - sex, violence and protracted booing http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/30/guillame-tell-review-royal-opera-house-sex-violence-and-protacted-booing?CMP=twt_gu (http://twtr.io/116YQP3MBYG)
  120. # [13:25] <ChiefRA> !tell tantek please have a look at my hListing draft modifications I made the other day and please tell me your thoughts on this. Or, let's have a meet about it to definitivate this specific microformat, to upscale it from draft to a 1.0 format. I wish to "help" Google to fix their Tool faster to be able to recognize and use this microformat.
  121. # [13:25] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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  164. # [20:18] <Loqi> [@AccBristol] You can use http://Schema.org with #Microdata #RDFa or #jSON-LD - but Microformats is limited in its extendibility. @Chaals at #AccBris (http://twtr.io/117BWoH26DL)
  165. # [20:21] <@tantek> wow people are still getting that wrong, sigh
  166. # [20:21] <Loqi> tantek: ChiefRA left you a message 6 hours, 56 minutes ago: please have a look at my hListing draft modifications I made the other day and please tell me your thoughts on this. Or, let's have a meet about it to definitivate this specific microformat, to upscale it from draft to a 1.0 format. I wish to "help" Google to fix their Tool faster to be able to recognize and use this microformat.
  167. # [20:21] <@tantek> ChiefRA: thanks for the hListing updates!
  168. # [20:24] <Loqi> [@kevinmarks] sorry, @AccBristol, @chaals is wildly wrong there. Microformats is extensible by anyone. http://Schema.org only by Google. #AccBris (http://twtr.io/117C34TGHhQ)
  169. # [20:24] <Loqi> [@microformats] @AccBristol @chaals that's about 6 years out of date :) #microformats2 has generic syntax and extensible vocabularies. ^@t (http://twtr.io/117C5NZw1Vb)
  170. # [20:28] <Loqi> [@AccBristol] @dbounds @kevinmarks @chaals Yes, our poor choice of words initially. Microformats limits the way http://Schema.org can be used. (http://twtr.io/117CSwH2u0Z)
  171. # [20:30] <Loqi> [@kevinmarks] no, @AccBristol @dbounds @chaals no, that's not right either, you could map schema vocab into microformats2 easily. It would be daft to, yes (http://twtr.io/117CeN2kP7j)
  172. # [20:31] <@tantek> that is a very bizarre response
  173. # [20:33] <Loqi> [@kevinmarks] @AccBristol @dbounds @chaals daft because schema has a ridiculously complex inheritance model, but microformats could express it (http://twtr.io/117CrjQ_vD4)
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  177. # [21:10] <Loqi> [@AccBristol] .@Danbri acknowledges Microformats 2.0 is more mature, but that it still lags long behind RDFa. @Chaals #AccBris (http://twtr.io/117GDTZJgVb)
  178. # [21:11] <@tantek> wow even more FUD.
  179. # [21:12] <@tantek> sounds like an apologism for a needlessly complex technology. simpler technology that handles real world use-cases is labeled as "lags" the more complex technology.
  180. # [21:13] <Loqi> [@AccBristol] @kevinmarks Posed to @Chaals @Danbri - Yes it could, but it wouldn't scale easily. Microformats lack maturity incomprison to RDFa. (http://twtr.io/117GW5ajT1L)
  181. # [21:14] <aaronpk> incomprison?
  182. # [21:14] <@tantek> what is incomprison?
  183. # [21:14] <aaronpk> in comparison i think
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  185. # [21:22] <Loqi> [@microformats] @AccBristol @danbri @chaals @KevinMarks for what real-world use-cases? #microformats2 is certainly simpler, easier to publish than RDFa. ^@t (http://twtr.io/117HJHLkEjH)
  186. # [21:25] <@tantek> I think it's a pretty big mistake to advocate RDFa to an accessibility crowd - since simpler authoring == more accessible authoring.
  187. # [21:28] * Joins: emmak (~quassel@c-24-20-219-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
  188. # [21:29] <Loqi> [@neogeografen] 30 grader på vej - husk at dele til #openstreetmap hvor du henter gratis drikkevand på cykelturen o.lign http://www.microformats.dk/2013/07/22/husk-at-samle-vand-ellers/ (http://twtr.io/117HuLHu1TU)
  189. # [21:29] * Joins: eschnou (~eschnou@19.132-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
  190. # [21:38] <@tantek> heh: https://twitter.com/MrJonPayne/status/615959775029932033
  191. # [21:38] <Loqi> [@MrJonPayne] There's apparently a battle between #microformat guys and #rdf fans. Jeez. Someone should write a musical. #accbris (http://twtr.io/117FvfJy_TD)
  192. # [21:38] <@tantek> how's this for a reply? https://twitter.com/microformats/status/615967445354872832
  193. # [21:38] <Loqi> [@microformats] @MrJonPayne hopefully just clearing up misconceptions. For a battle, try them both yourself with real content, compare and report back! ^@t (http://twtr.io/117Jf4R2BLY)
  194. # [21:38] <aaronpk> tantek++
  195. # [21:38] <Loqi> tantek has 210 karma

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