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  25. # [02:40] <Loqi> [@ftrain] if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11JZ5RN8rC0)
  26. # [02:42] <Loqi> [@blairaltland] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11JZJh1Lb7V)
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  45. # [04:09] <Loqi> [@kevinmarks] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11Jg7hsQC5L)
  46. # [04:18] <Loqi> [@pcosdeaf] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11JgxDN9tmf)
  47. # [04:31] <Loqi> [@joshuajuran] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11Ji5rWgfgb)
  48. # [04:31] <Loqi> [@Suw] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11Ji9KAx4rC)
  49. # [04:33] <Loqi> [@lojytan_bot] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11JiG9a04cL)
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  56. # [05:57] <KevinMarks> https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/617878073191456768
  57. # [05:57] <Loqi> [@kevinmarks] @ftrain json-ld is actually an anagram of lojban (http://twtr.io/11JgBTYRczU)
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  121. # [14:22] <Loqi> [@sarahbadr] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11KbEMarDCY)
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  123. # [14:50] <Loqi> [@neogeografen] Har bidraget/skrevet om Parforcelandskabet DKs nye verdenskulturarvs sted http://www.microformats.dk/2015/07/06/tag-pa-en-virtuel-tur-i-parforcelandskabet-i-nordsjaelland/ hjælp til også selv #dkkultur #mapillary (http://twtr.io/11Kdj10fPk4)
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  156. # [18:40] <csarven> !tell tantek h-cite is a clear violation of the mf process. 1. Since when IWC handling the mf process? 2. it is an *over* simplification of citation-* (if anyone wants to call it that) - erring on the side that previous work is thrown out 3. There is hardly an argument under "Previous Proposals"
  157. # [18:40] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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  159. # [19:02] <csarven> The use of -x- in mf2 ( http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#VENDOR_EXTENSIONS ) seems more like its actual origins are from http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648 .. Funny that.
  160. # [19:08] <ben_thatmustbeme> i don't think so, that RFC even says that -x- is used by many protocol designers as a flag for unstandardized options
  161. # [19:09] <ben_thatmustbeme> so the use of -x- predates it
  162. # [19:10] <csarven> Well, 6648 explains why it is not a good idea.
  163. # [19:11] <csarven> See also https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3406.txt
  164. # [19:14] <ben_thatmustbeme> when you look at it as -x-somevalue will still get mixed up with someone else's -x-somevalue implementation i can see why it would be argued it doesn't make sense. vendor prefixes are a better way to go
  165. # [19:15] <ben_thatmustbeme> sees URN and just stops reading
  166. # [19:15] <ben_thatmustbeme> :P
  167. # [19:15] <csarven> URNs all the way down ;P
  168. # [19:16] <csarven> Personally, I don't like the idea of using -x- in my HTML because I don't want to maintain that whatsoever.
  169. # [19:18] <ben_thatmustbeme> well any time you use a vendor prefix its the same thing, you'll still want to update it if/when it standardizes
  170. # [19:18] <csarven> Do you mean vendor prefix in HTML?
  171. # [19:18] <ben_thatmustbeme> in your mf2 classes
  172. # [19:19] <csarven> Are people using vendor prefixes in the HTML/mf2?
  173. # [19:19] <csarven> s/the/their
  174. # [19:19] <Loqi> csarven meant to say: Are people using vendor prefixes in their HTML/mf2?
  175. # [19:21] <ben_thatmustbeme> http://aaronparecki.com/metrics class="p-p3k-drink" , also p-p3k-food
  176. # [19:21] <csarven> Oh my
  177. # [19:22] <csarven> Let me get this right.. That is somehow significantly better than actual namespaces + following a single rule to crawl the graph (e.g., like in RDF) which is actually machine-friendly?
  178. # [19:23] <csarven> Is -x- or -p3k- documented / defined somewhere where it can be picked up by a machine consistently?
  179. # [19:24] <csarven> And like you said, regarding using the same term to mean different things under different domains or in documents.
  180. # [19:26] <csarven> As a developer, I would simply use p-isbn instead of bothering with p-x-isbn or p-csarven-isbn
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  186. # [19:58] <ben_thatmustbeme> you are certainly able to use p-isbn. nothing stops you, its just a matter of knowing that it will be the same on all other implementations of p-isbn
  187. # [19:59] <ben_thatmustbeme> and its not like p-x-isbn is difficult to update to p-isbn if/when it does get standardized. Find and replace in code is a pretty basic operation
  188. # [20:00] <ben_thatmustbeme> plus they are machine readable by way of mf2 parsing algo,
  189. # [20:01] <ben_thatmustbeme> its not like its some special rules for fetching these values, they are still the exact same
  190. # [20:01] <ben_thatmustbeme> -x- is specifically for things you want to get standardized, proposing / experimenting with. vendor prefix is when you don't expect / plan to standardize
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  194. # [20:03] <ben_thatmustbeme> guess i'll wait until csarven comes back to finish that thought
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  196. # [20:04] <@tantek> good morning ben_thatmustbeme!
  197. # [20:04] <Loqi> tantek: csarven left you a message on 7/3 at 1:08pm: http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/ -- supports some mf. Probably only mf1 these days
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  199. # [20:04] <Loqi> tantek: csarven left you a message 2 days, 1 hour ago: tommorris microformatsMysteryAdmin et al. I have found my old backups with the microformats wiki password, and it worked. Thank you all for your support and attentiveness. We can go on for another two years or so without having to fix the password recovery issue.
  200. # [20:04] <Loqi> tantek: csarven left you a message 1 hour, 23 minutes ago: h-cite is a clear violation of the mf process. 1. Since when IWC handling the mf process? 2. it is an *over* simplification of citation-* (if anyone wants to call it that) - erring on the side that previous work is thrown out 3. There is hardly an argument under "Previous Proposals"
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  203. # [20:06] <@tantek> !tell csarven h-cite needed a simple restart since so much of the previous citation brainstorming got overly complex, and did so with a smaller (more modest) set of use-cases, as documented, then looked at previous citation *presentation* conventions for a user-centric minimal solution.
  204. # [20:06] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  206. # [20:09] <ben_thatmustbeme> good morning tantek
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  213. # [20:59] <kylewm> hey, a post in multiple languages in the wild http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/06/meanwhile-in-a-parallel-universe/
  214. # [21:05] <ben_thatmustbeme> huh, cool... didn't require anything extra to do :P
  215. # [21:13] <KevinMarks> with empty alt and no lang markers :(
  216. # [21:18] <kylewm> i wonder if it's just a mistake, usually the two different translations are on different pages
  217. # [21:18] <ben_thatmustbeme> seems like it
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  219. # [21:41] <KevinMarks> right, which is google's encouraged worldview
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  236. # [23:03] <Loqi> [@kim_bach] Søren er en enmands @mapillary hær! Tag på en virtuel tur i Parforcelandskabet i Nordsjælland http://www.microformats.dk/2015/07/06/tag-pa-en-virtuel-tur-i-parforcelandskabet-i-nordsjaelland/ (http://twtr.io/11LP3A92zgs)
  237. # [23:05] <Loqi> [@cizyprijev] RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/11LPJYfv3YG)
  238. # [23:09] <@tantek> ?
  239. # [23:09] <ben_thatmustbeme> espiranto like language
  240. # [23:09] <ben_thatmustbeme> apparently
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