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  1. # Session Start: Mon May 26 00:00:01 2014
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  6. # [06:28] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker created submission/sideshowbarker/move-webvtt-idl (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/5f3d720a9ac6
  7. # [06:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-webvtt-idl 5f3d720 Michael[tm] Smith: Moved WebVTT IDL tests.
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  10. # [06:28] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #1010: Moved WebVTT IDL tests. (master...submission/sideshowbarker/move-webvtt-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1010
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  18. # [07:32] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker created submission/sideshowbarker/url-idl (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/7576fdeda882
  19. # [07:32] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/url-idl 7576fde Michael[tm] Smith: Add URL IDL tests & drop stale (untested) URL IDLs...
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  22. # [07:33] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #1011: Add URL IDL tests & drop stale (untested) URL IDLs (master...submission/sideshowbarker/url-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1011
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  28. # [09:06] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yuanyuanzou opened pull request #1012: Should disable the manual/refer harness after click pause button (master...fixedpausedbug) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1012
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  31. # [09:07] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker created submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/680e8d24bdb4
  32. # [09:07] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl 680e8d2 Michael[tm] Smith: Moved Workers IDL tests out to separate file.
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  35. # [09:08] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #1013: Moved Workers IDL tests out to separate file. (master...submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1013
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  38. # [09:26] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker created submission/sideshowbarker/move-websockets-idl (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/dcb704be64c6
  39. # [09:26] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-websockets-idl dcb704b Michael[tm] Smith: Moved Web Sockets IDL tests.
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  42. # [09:26] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #1014: Moved Web Sockets IDL tests. (master...submission/sideshowbarker/move-websockets-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1014
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  46. # [09:51] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker created submission/sideshowbarker/move-eventsource-idl (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/1f66bf66a68e
  47. # [09:51] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-eventsource-idl 1f66bf6 Michael[tm] Smith: Moved EventSource IDL tests.
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  50. # [09:51] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #1015: Moved EventSource IDL tests. (master...submission/sideshowbarker/move-eventsource-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1015
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  53. # [09:55] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to submission/sideshowbarker/move-websockets-idl: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/8a77a59cefbdf962bd766267f487e121d8f2c65a
  54. # [09:55] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-websockets-idl 8a77a59 Michael[tm] Smith: Added necessary EventHandler typedef.
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  57. # [10:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/9c3a488a3889484f9bdd8c52733efc9dee6afddb
  58. # [10:00] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl 9c3a488 Michael[tm] Smith: Added necessary EventHandler typedef.
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  63. # [10:19] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip closed pull request #1010: Moved WebVTT IDL tests. (master...submission/sideshowbarker/move-webvtt-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1010
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  66. # [10:19] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/1f35262c02dd0051fa98fffa5f04a06afc6b5338
  67. # [10:19] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 1f35262 Philip Jägenstedt: Merge pull request #1010 from w3c/submission/sideshowbarker/move-webvtt-idl...
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  70. # [10:39] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/baf3555129e1f5b201c577995a6bf40c50f43143
  71. # [10:39] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl baf3555 Michael[tm] Smith: Added MessagePort IDL stub to Workers IDL test.
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  75. # [11:20] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker created submission/sideshowbarker/remove-duplicated-webstorage-idl (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/583fd15f65ca
  76. # [11:20] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/remove-duplicated-webstorage-idl 583fd15 Michael[tm] Smith: Remove duplicated Web Storage IDL tests....
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  79. # [11:20] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #1016: Remove duplicated Web Storage IDL tests. (master...submission/sideshowbarker/remove-duplicated-webstorage-idl) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1016
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  82. # [11:22] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker deleted submission/sideshowbarker/move-webvtt-idl at 5f3d720: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/5f3d720
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  86. # [11:26] <mkwst__> Hello, #testing. I'd love to put together some tests for a mixed content spec I'm poking at. It's not clear, however, how best to write tests that require HTTPS in the w3c/web-platform-tests style.
  87. # [11:26] <mkwst__> Any pointers would be lovely. :)
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  89. # [11:26] <tobie_> mkwst__: jgraham would know best. In the meantime, let me try to give you a bunch of pointers.
  90. # [11:27] <Ms2ger> Not sure we support https at this point
  91. # [11:27] <darobin> yeah, it's not up and running
  92. # [11:28] <darobin> we don't know how to handle certs in a way that would distribute well, sadly
  93. # [11:28] <darobin> (that said we should at least get this running on w3c-test.org
  94. # [11:28] <tobie_> doesn't wptrunner support that locally?
  95. # [11:30] <mkwst__> There's a config entry for "https" in `config.default.json`. I can't tell if it actually spawned an https server locally.
  96. # [11:30] <tobie_> https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner http://wptrunner.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
  97. # [11:30] <rodneyrehm> https://github.com/rodneyrehm/test-resource is the source of http://test.csswg.org/delay/ - but the latter is out of date, and it's not available at all anymore on http://w3c-test.org/delay/ - anyone know who to contact for this?
  98. # [11:31] <darobin> rodneyrehm!
  99. # [11:31] <darobin> rodneyrehm: w3c-test.org has been limited to only have the stuff in the web-platform-test repo
  100. # [11:32] <tobie_> mkwst__: you need to talk to jgraham for that,
  101. # [11:32] <tobie_> s/,/./
  102. # [11:32] <darobin> mkwst__: he'll likely be around some time later today
  103. # [11:33] <darobin> I guess he's just having some long breakfast or something like that
  104. # [11:33] <mkwst__> Alright. Thanks to you both.
  105. # [11:35] <rodneyrehm> darobin! :)
  106. # [11:38] <rodneyrehm> is that resource thing even necessary on w3c-test? I used it to verify animations running before onload (and similar things)
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  112. # [11:59] <tobie_> resource thing?
  113. # [11:59] <tobie_> ^ rodneyrehm
  114. # [12:00] <rodneyrehm> tobie_: https://github.com/rodneyrehm/test-resource
  115. # [12:00] <botie> https://github.com/rodneyrehm/test-resource is the source of http://test.csswg.org/delay/ - but the latter is out of date, and it's not available at all anymore on http://w3c-test.org/delay/ - anyone know who to contact for this?
  116. # [12:01] <rodneyrehm> (not exactly black magic…)
  117. # [12:01] <tobie_> rodneyrehm: isn't there something similar built into wptrunner?
  118. # [12:01] <rodneyrehm> Honestly, I have no idea what wptrunner is.
  119. # [12:01] <tobie_> rodneyrehm: https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner http://wptrunner.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
  120. # [12:02] <tobie_> It's web server + test runner to run wpt tests
  121. # [12:04] <rodneyrehm> ah, nice! couldn't see anything like the test-resource in the docs. But it would make sense to be part of the WPT, yes
  122. # [12:18] <mkwst__> Another n00b question for testrunner.js; is there a simple way to fail a test? `assert_unreached()` works, but it feels like a strange way of saying "this failed".
  123. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> Why do you want to fail the test?
  124. # [12:19] <mkwst__> e.g. `if (error_condition) { assert_true(some_condition_to_verify_goes_here); assert_unreached("This totally failed! Bummer."); }`
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  126. # [12:20] <Ms2ger> Could you be more concrete? :)
  127. # [12:22] <mkwst__> In this specific case, I'm not sure it makes sense. :) I'm checking that when a script fires an onerror event (because, for example, the mixed content blocker blocked it), that it didn't sneakily execute anyway.
  128. # [12:22] <Ms2ger> Ah
  129. # [12:22] <Ms2ger> Well, in that case, you're really asserting that it's unreached code, no?
  130. # [12:23] <mkwst__> But, you're probably right. That shouldn't be a failure. Those should be testable postcondions that would lead to a pass.
  131. # [12:23] <mkwst__> The _script load_ should fail, I should verify post-conditions, and the _test_ should pass.
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  136. # [15:26] <MikeSmith> well, looking at http://w3c-test.org/submissions I see that no PRs after #999 have gotten mirrored as expected
  137. # [15:26] * MikeSmith checks the gh logs
  138. # [15:26] <MikeSmith> red red red red
  139. # [15:28] <MikeSmith> authorised_users = get_authorised_users(config)\n File \"/u/www.w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/sync.py\", line 97, in get_authorised_users\n data = resp.json()\nTypeError: 'list' object is not callable\n"
  140. # [15:29] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/w3c/github_sync/blob/master/sync.py#L95
  141. # [15:38] <denis> MikeSmith, I'm on it
  142. # [15:38] <MikeSmith> denis: yeah I noticed the vim lock already :-)
  143. # [15:38] <MikeSmith> thanks
  144. # [16:17] <denis> MikeSmith, should be better now
  145. # [16:18] <denis> the python version is a bit old on that server
  146. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> denis: rocka rolla man
  147. # [16:19] <MikeSmith> denis: time for me to pull stuff in from debian stable like I did on the old server!
  148. # [16:23] <denis> MikeSmith, the problem comes from python-requests
  149. # [16:23] <denis> the version on wheezy is 0.12.1-1
  150. # [16:23] <denis> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-requests&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
  151. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> what's python-requests?
  152. # [16:23] <denis> and the latest version is 2.3.0
  153. # [16:23] <denis> http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/
  154. # [16:24] <denis> it's an HTTP lib
  155. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> ok
  156. # [16:24] <denis> it's used to get the list of collaborator
  157. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> ah
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  159. # [16:59] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/522eeee9b29d043aad89147c10cc1b3c7c890ab0
  160. # [16:59] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/submission/sideshowbarker/move-workers-idl 522eeee Michael[tm] Smith: Use real script for worker in IDL test.
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  162. # [17:14] <mkwst__> MikeSmith: Any chance you've got insight into HTTPS-based W3C tests? (See the log from 11ish GMT for context)
  163. # [17:19] <MikeSmith> mkwst__: yeah they won't work at this point
  164. # [17:20] <MikeSmith> mkwst__: along with the fact that we don't actually have cert installed, I'm pretty sure the wptserve server code doesn't yet actually support it
  165. # [17:21] <MikeSmith> mkwst__: but we pretty much need jgraham to weigh in. I think he's he only one who can say for sure where things are at with https
  166. # [17:22] <MikeSmith> mkwst__: but even if we do get the wptserve code working with https, we're not going to able to make it work for testing locally
  167. # [17:24] <MikeSmith> mkwst__: the best we will be able to do is make it work on w3c-test.org, and when you push a PR we could make it show up at https://w3c-test.org/submissions/
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  172. # [18:28] <tobie_> mkwst__: you've been out of luck today, jgraham is usually super responsive.
  173. # [18:30] <tobie_> mkwst__: actually, that explains it all: https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays
  174. # [19:14] <MikeSmith> tobie_: btw about WebIDL stuff, http://w3c-test.org/submissions/1013/workers/interfaces.html seems like an interesting case for testing
  175. # [19:15] * Ms2ger should get his workers stuff finished
  176. # [19:16] <MikeSmith> tobie_: either the current WebIDL test harness is not capable of testing that as expected or it's not intended to test it by design
  177. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> Oh
  178. # [19:16] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: hey maybe you have some thoughts on the above
  179. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, the test would need to run in a worker, right?
  180. # [19:16] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: yeah could just be pilot error on but it's not clear to me how to make it run what's needed
  181. # [19:17] <Ms2ger> I don't think it's supposed to work right now
  182. # [19:17] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: but clearly it should not be looking for window to have a WorkerGlobalScope property
  183. # [19:17] <Ms2ger> I've got a branch somewhere that lets us run th.js tests in the worker magically
  184. # [19:17] <MikeSmith> oh
  185. # [19:18] <Ms2ger> But then idlharness.js would probably need a bunch of work too
  186. # [19:18] <MikeSmith> yeah it seems like
  187. # [19:18] <MikeSmith> I wonder what other cases we have like this
  188. # [19:18] <Ms2ger> Everything exposed in workers :)
  189. # [19:18] <MikeSmith> oah
  190. # [19:19] <Ms2ger> I bet it'd find a bunch of bugs over and above main-thread bugs
  191. # [19:19] <MikeSmith> well that would make it worth putting some time into
  192. # [19:19] <Ms2ger> There's a lot of things that are worth putting time into :)
  193. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> In any case, http://w3c-test.org/submissions/1013/workers/interfaces.html as written is nonsense :)
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  195. # [19:28] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I'm glad I didn't write it then
  196. # [19:29] <MikeSmith> I basically just extracted that out of the html/dom/interfaces.html file
  197. # [19:29] <MikeSmith> maybe I should put it back where it came from
  198. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Or remove it from there
  199. # [19:31] <MikeSmith> I did that too, as part of the PR
  200. # [19:32] <MikeSmith> so I guess we could just do that removal and forget about doing workers/interfaces.html and just raise a "needs IDL tests" issue for it instead
  201. # [19:32] <MikeSmith> *forget about doing workers/interfaces.html for now
  202. # [20:12] <mkwst__> MikeSmith: Sorry, I hopped on a train right after pinging you. Thanks for the explanation. I'll try to chat with jgraham later in the week to see where things stand.
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  206. # [20:59] <darobin> MikeSmith, mkwst__: actually, we could get it working on local test servers, but it'll require people to have their own cert
  207. # [20:59] <darobin> i.e. we can make this configurable
  208. # [21:00] <darobin> I reckon someone as dedicated to testing security as mkwst__ might go through the trouble, even if most won't
  209. # [21:00] <darobin> (if we have something like this, it might be useful for tests or test directories to be able to declare that they need HTTPS to work)
  210. # [21:17] <mkwst__> darobin: That sounds reasonable. Regarding declarations: it would be nice for a test to somehow be able to declare that it should be loaded over HTTPS.
  211. # [21:18] <mkwst__> darobin: In Blink/WebKit, we just check the URL and `window.location = 'https://...';` ourselves to the right place.
  212. # [21:18] <mkwst__> That's a bit hacky. :/
  213. # [21:18] <darobin> urgh
  214. # [21:18] <darobin> yeah
  215. # [21:18] <darobin> that's not nice :)
  216. # [21:18] <darobin> I reckon that this is metadata of the acceptable kind
  217. # [21:20] <mkwst__> It seems minimal enough, yes.
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  221. # [22:12] <jgraham> The plan for certs on Mozilla infrastructure is to install a custom cert into the temporary profile that's used for testing, and spawn the ssl-based servers using that cert. Hopefully there's a variation of that that works for more than just firefox
  222. # [22:15] <jgraham> I guess Google, Apple, Microsoft and others much have an existing solution to this kind of problem that we could try to replicate for use in their automated environment. But it isn't going to work great for people that just pull the testsuite and expect to be able to run all the tests.
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